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@@MICHAELBURKE-u1d no, it's amazon for giving them a platform to sell on, and they take their % cut of the sales, they're not only complicit they are partners.
@@MICHAELBURKE-u1dAmazon are responsible for everything they profit from, by making it available for sale. It’s nothing like eBay, though they are trying very hard to be as bad.
A friend bought some 'motorcycle gloves' on Amazon. Utter crap - told him not to use them. Ended up being used as gardening gloves. They lasted 2 weekends of pulling up weeds before they disintegrated. Criminal.
The irony being a cheap pair of 2 quid gardening rigger gloves would probably be more protective than these POS. Would never consider buying bike gear off Amazon, but it is concerning that young new riders on a budget could be buying these things thinking they'll do the job.
unfortunately, i fell for the same amazon scam gloves and yup they became gardening gloves as they weren't even good enough for light mechanical work. i won't use cheap helmet, boots, or gloves!
In the late 90's I "retired" some Frank Thomas leather touring gloves as I had treated myself to some new kit. They became gardening and heavy mechanical gloves along with welding gloves if I couldn't be bothered to find the real ones. These days they're slightly oily and have the odd grass stain but would still be perfectly servicable as bike gloves in a pinch. I usually give my older kit to people around me who buy this cheap junk and they tend to not buy the cheap junk after they have tried the real deal.
Amazon should be legally liable for selling this kind of stuff, problem is this kind of gear will most likely be bought by new riders or people that want to gift something to friend...
Amazon only provides the paltform for companies to sell their stuff. So suing them would be hard. Putting their Amazon Choice label on it tho might be another thing
To be honest I buy from my local motorbike shops just to keep them open (when they’re gone, they’re gone😢) but both of them offer excellent customer service and advice when I’ve gone in looking for kit - Amazon reviews can’t compete.
Great work again john, you've totally changed my buying habits over the years. Noticed some shockers at motorcycle live last year, how they get away with it is beyond me.
Thanks so much! It's going to need action from more than a handful of us for it to change, but at least more and more buyers know the difference now. All the best, John
Not only for motorcycle gear, also for hiking gear, biking gear, cars, etc. They sell thrash as top selling and safe because it's money, people buy the cheapest stuff ignoring quality
I’d ask people to consider what living the rest of their lives with shattered hands would be like before buying cheap gloves. I had an accident years ago and my good gloves were probably the reason that I can still use a keyboard today… the armour on the gloves was smashed but my hands were basically ok aside from one dislocated finger
I worked from time to time with an older fella about ten years ago. Always had a sort of tubi wrist support type thing on one arm. It looked very atrophied and he'd usually be holding one arm with the other, sometimes swinging the bad arm up like a pendulum. I thought it was thalidomide or some sort of birth problem at first but one day he caught me.leaving work in bike gear for the first time. He was very interested in whether I was wearing proper gear. Turns out it was a motorcycle accident that did his arm in. I remember his "lovely day for it" clearly. He definitely missed riding.
@@SpringfieldFatts Amazon rely on the fact that no one can afford to sue them for such medical bills - if that was to happen perhaps they might start to care about the knock-off garbage they sell
@@niclasroberts An accident sure focuses the mind on such things. The accident I mentioned was at no more than 20mph but I went up and then down hard onto the road with my right hand taking a good old hit. The knuckle armour was destroyed which could have been my hand which would have been life altering. It stands out like a beacon to me when I now see anyone riding without gloves and these Amazon gloves might as well be riding without gloves for the good they’ll do. If my story convinces 1 person to buy proper gloves then it was worth telling. I’d also add that good gloves last so are cheaper in the long run… I’m still riding into the Alpinestars gloves I got after that accident some 10 years later
It's about time Amazon took some responsiblity for what is being sold via 'their' marketplace. It's rife with conterfiet goods, some of which are clearly dangerous.
I'm glad there are people like you, calling companies out and bringing their shitty practice to light... have you also contacted UK/EU agencies to have a look at this? Amazon will just try to shift responsibility elsewhere until authority starts asking questions and demanding answers/proofs.
Good work. Thank you! This is important work. Please carry on. One of my local dealers warned me about fake C E ratings. Unfortunately I found some equipment there that was not even C E labeled at all. At some other dealers I found my German helmet, Polish leather jacket, Italian MC Jeans, one pair of gloves made in the Netherlands and one pair made in France. Honestly my modern kit doesn't compare well to my old kit from 1978, but I gave it away. I would never buy motorcycle gear on Amazon. I only use Amazon when I buy books.
Will be Confit and renamed something else tomorrow. Good work John calling this out, if any recognized bike store sold counterfeit good they would be held accountable. Marketplaces should ensure those selling goods with standards labelled are held to proof of same, the shrug off of a tech giant is not good enough
Great content as always John. Amazon seems to sell a lot of utter rubbish products these days from unsafe motorcycle PPE to death trap electrical items with fake CE certification. Interestingly the algorithms seem to push the junk to the top of searches and it can be difficult to even find genuine items if you are able to find them at all. I wonder if this will eventually be the downfall of Amazon as customers will loose confidence. I have!
I don’t use amazon for anything anymore.i left a 2 star review for a memory stick for an iPhone a while back.i then received several emails asking me to remove the review and the would give me a gift voucher it started at £10 eventually ended up at £25..i just ignored them…
Hi, I used to be a member of BSI Committee for software engineering and, if it helps, I’d be prepared to vouch for your application to the motorcycle safety committee.
Great that you’re highlighting this very important issue. Amazon should be at least jointly liable for selling this unsafe gear which is utterly unfit for purpose. Disgraceful.
As always, proper investigative journalism from the bike social team. It’s sad in this day and age that you have to repeatedly point this out to who is I’m sure, the biggest retailer in the world. The only advice I ever give friends is, buy the best that you can afford. Clearly, as long as it meets minimum safety requirements.
I've been waiting for a space on two BSI committees for about 7 years. I am an actual bona fide expert with PhD and Technical Director of a UKAS accredited laboratory. They don't want people who want to make positive change, they want people from big multinationals or Trade/Industry Associations so they can all back-slap each other instead of actually making changes.
Darwins theory of evolution is alive and thriving on Amazon, £20 for new motorcycle gloves via Amazon is a recipe for disaster. It's obvious Amazon don't care and know they can just chuck money at MPs to let them do what they like. I met you at the ABR Festival, the guy who jumped out of the Roadskin changing rooms after recognising your voice. It was great to meet you, you are as nice in person as you come across on screen. The Roadskin jeans are so comfortable.
I'm not so sure about Darwin. If you're 16 or 17, just passed and are yet to learn any better these might look like a good deal. Only for you to have a minor off and lose half your hand for it. To blokes our age its fairly obvious but kids are easily led and will just buy the top seller not knowing better. Nice to hear the roadskins are good because I've been thinking about them for a while and I just keep seeing people happy with them.
another problem is that cause of so much crap that sold on Amazon there is barely a choice of good products from trusted resellers ... all those "stores" are some couch business peoples looking for easy income ...
there's a reason seasoned bikers wear kit from "known" brands, the problem like you said is new riders who don't know any better and if they crash it may put them off for life...
This is why i subbed to thia channel, well researched, well presented videos that actually try and have honest conversations with the industry at large
John, you are bloody amazing. This is one reason why I have never, and will never buy anything from Amazon / eBay, you just can't trust them. I have for many years now always bought everything I need from the Sportsbikeshop. As far I'm concerned they are 100% reliable, in the products that they sell. So for me alone, it's a no brained really. The work that you personally do on our behalf is truly commendable. I'm glad I've got my insurance through Bennetts too, plus they were £100 cheaper than loads more insurance company's as well. 👍👍🏍🏍
I work at an airsoft field as the head ref, we have the same issues with airsoft gear sold off on amazon. Maybe 3 masks a week, first time customers bring them in and try to wear them on the field, but since they aren't ANSI Z87+ rated, they aren't actually impact rated (even though they are advertised, on Amazon, as "Airsoft Masks"). I catch them before they get on the field, at first we were testing them by shooting them a few times, but we destroyed so many of them I could just show customers pictures of an identical mask to theirs that had the lens or mouth guard shot out and ask them to return their masks to Amazon and buy something quality that will actually keep their eyes and teeth from being shot out.
I'm not a biker, but good lord I'm glad reviewers like this exist. There are some serious scammers out there, and Amazon has given them a seriously fantastic platform to sell from. Whilst I appreciate their willingness to rectify mistakes with a refund, if I'd been wearing these gloves and needed them ... I'd be struggling to type the "thanks" in the textbox.
Keis glove must recommend. I use mine on my electric unicycle off-road a lot. I have had so many crashes and what not. Only damage is the seams of some of the finger tips. Some super glue and bam, basically damage free.
I wanted to say thank you. You provide an invaluable service to the m/c community. Your knowledge, integrity, and passion for rider safety are evident. Disinformation is everywhere, while you (and Bennets) continue to advocate for motorcycle safety. Bravo!
Anyone paying that price and expecting a good product needs to seriously re-evaluate how they look at the world. Sure, Amazon has some responsibility, but when the price difference between Amazon crap and proven known quality products is that large, that should red flag anyone. Great work on the video!
Amazon needs to be sued hardly. A local store selling illegal products would get serious consecuences... While all Amazon gets out of this crime (I can't find a different word to describe what they're doing) is only an open letter and some public shaming. Dont get me wrong, I highly appreciate the effort spent on producing this valuable, high quality video...I've never bought a single productfrom them, let alone PPE, and this convince me that I'm doing fine... but it's frustrating for me as a consumer to see that honest, small businesses have to compete in highly unbalanced conditions against a marketing giant who can violate market regulations without any serious repercussions.
You're doing some great work. I have worked for standards and testing laboratories as a certification engineer and I know making changes is a painstaking, expensive, long and tedious process. As a standards agency you have a big say about changes obviously, but you cannot make changes without industry consensus. Most of the time the key individuals inside are very knowledgable, this should get their attention or it is something that is already known (regarding the glove palm), but making the change will need to be voted on with the key players.
The main reason is that a standards agency is not making any products and is not keeping up with the latest materials and technologies to make these products. As new technologies are found, the standards slowly change and evolve. LEDs really threw all the lighting product standards into a tailspin. Another reason is that some products are inherently unsafe, like a toaster.. it has exposed heating elements and sharp edges that can easily hurt humans in many ways. If we make it completely safe as a standards agency would want, it would be a really expensive and inconvenient piece of equipment that just toasts bread, that no one would buy.
Brilliant video! As motorcyclists we should be grateful to all concerned that these types of videos/tests are carried out, clearly we can’t always trust ‘trusted sellers’!
" PALM SLIDER " ( Knox protection ) i would look for while buying a new pairs of gloves. CURRENTLY I'm using a PALM SLIDERS one and while i ride my BIKE I feels PROTECTED. For more safety... One should go for FULL GUANLET gloves ( Racer gloves )..Whose covered more parts of our hand's portions or parts. GREAT VIDEO.... Thank you bro for this informative, Safety and useful video. 😊👍🏻
Still the best consumer journalism in the moto sphere right here and for free. As I’m not in the UK I can’t buy your insurance and I don’t really have a need for the (very good) deals you provide with the membership. I will however gladly buy you a pint should we ever meet. Thank you John, these things matter.
You are slowly becoming one of the people on my list of ‘if you could have a meal with anyone who would it be?’ I honestly don’t think you can beat going to a proper motorcycle store and speaking with the staff there and making an informed decision. Yes it cost more but when I fell and had my leg pinned under the bike until it came to a stop I can 100% say it was worth every penny. I got up and walked off with some bruising only.
When it comes to safety kit i never buy from amazon. All my gear has been either manufacturer direct (Hood / JTS jeans) or sportsbike shop and well known brands (RST Daytona Oxford Helite). In the safety game you really do get what you pay for. Dont play with your safety and wellbeing 👍. Great video and calling them out.
Amazon need to make it clear on each listing whether they are acting as a retail seller or a marketplace with a link to what this different means to your rights.
Top marks to you for calling out this poor equipment. Experienced motorcyclists will probably not be fooled but there will be a lot of inexperienced riders who will be and will be putting themselves at risk…
The more shares the link to this video gets, the more riders will get the message. A proposal to set up a web site providing information on the standards, combined with literature sent out by DVLA with all provisional licences, licence renewals and motorcycle V5s, etc., has not progressed since it was last discussed some 18 months ago.
Just subscribed to your channel. I Literally ordered these Cofit gloves 3 minutes before finding this video. I was looking for reviews on the Insta360 after ordering new gloves. And boom this video popped up on the right. I canceled the order immediately. So youve helped at Me out and I appreciate it very much. I will now question all pieces of motorcycle kit before purchasing. THANK YOU! Unfortunately im having a terrible time finding gloves here in the USA that even talk about the CE rating.
Honestly, if the work that went into Thai saves one person's hands, it's been totally worthwhile. Cheers! I've also just put out a video about the Insta360 X4 if you fancy a look. th-cam.com/video/oPE2HUX16XU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5FGzqDX9Y_67o2s_ All the best, John
As an 11 year old I fell off my bicycle at about 30 mph going down a steep hill - my hands, face and upper body were torn shreds, I was a mass of scabs, I had to have gravel pulled out of my hands, it was bloody awful. The first thing you do when falling off a bicycle or motorcycle is put your hands out !!! Great work John 👍🏻
20:35 Kudos to that guy for trying his best to be believable whilst reading from a teleprompter words he did not understand. Holding the coffee cup gave him something to do with his hands. 👍 He was dead inside. 😂
Hi John, thank you for highlighting this issue and after watching your video I checked a pair of gloves I bought for last summer and guess what they are the gloves you mentioned.... Good job I've only used them once or twice ☹️ think Amazon should recall them and offer customers full refunds!! Disgraceful 😡
I’m so glad to see someone, with a voice, flagging this up. I was sent a similar set of gloves, through Amazon’s Vine programme. I always provided honest and objective feedback, which clearly didn’t please the seller, as I was then dropped from the programme (with no real explanation, after many years).
It's shocking how Amazon get away with this. I saw an electrical engineer test automotive fuses, none of them failed at the correct rating. Highly dangerous and a fire hazard.
Thank you for all this work! Our governments must start requiring Amazon and other mail order companies to follow the same laws as other resellers and not hide behind some "Oh we are not the ones selling the product, we are only...." excuses.
So many retailers where their entire offering is non compliant unfortunately! Bikers Paradise / Bikeweardirect / bikers gear Australia / warrior gears / Lane hunters to name a few...
The point is though that Amazon do NOT need to listen because they are getting away with it. No-one is even censuring them let alone prosecuting them, let alone issuing them with the kind of enormous penalties that would ensure they address the problem.
Great vid but you did raise a good point. Sometimes you can shop for a great product from a great dealer but it just doesn't fit. I experienced this recently. I bought a fantastic Richa jacket that fits really well but I couldn't find gloves that fitted just right for me. I do currently have a pair of Held ventilated leather gloves so will stick with them till it gets cold then I'll have to go shopping again
I've personally always bought my biking gear from an in-store place not because of safety standards rather because i'm an odd size my arms & body are really long with semi broad shoulders also you can get insane deals for brand name stuff like I picked up a set of black brand gloves for 10 quid because the tag pierced a bit of the cuff too bad i won't be able to ride this season because my insurance is taking the piss with paying out.
After watching the valuable videos made by Bike Social, I will now not buy online, and a great way to start supporting our local shops, where you can see what your buying, with confidence. Amazon has damaged its reputation hugely in my eyes. it has ignored Bennetts for too long, over a legal and moral obligation. To me, they are no better than the people selling unsafe gear.
Amazon is a hellhole for shopping and it is just fitting that they are in utter violation of consumer protection and safety regulations. Seen these gloves before, girlfriend bought these some time ago and I told her my concerns with my gloves next to them. She left them on a window counter never wearing them and UV from the window was enough to kill the pair in a couple month. Never seen such with good riding gloves, mine all dry in the sun.
Amazon doesn't care. It is flooded with poor quality products with high profit margin for sellers. As a consumer, you must do your own due diligence. Some red flags to look out for: photo-shopped product picture, price is too good to be good, random sounding brand name or seller name, mismatched reviews (for example you're looking at gloves but some reviews is for a phone charger), overly generic or well written good reviews (signs of paid reviews).
It defies belief that anyone would buy motorcycle safety gear from Amazon in the first place let alone thinking any safety markings or ratings are actually genuine.
The UK could eliminate the illegal kit themselves. All they need to do is to publish an up to date database of all gear with a CE rating and what that rating is. It doesn't even make sense that they put a system together that rates things and they don't have a list to go verify a product against. At this point, the world is relying on the UK because no one else seems to be doing it, and any that look like they are, are just copying the UK system. Also, the fact that those gloves passed any aspect of the testing regime is a massive problem for the testing regime. I would say a much bigger problem than for whoever makes those garden gloves.
Thank you for doing this on our behalf, it’s so important to have these inferior products removed from the market. Amazon needs to be reined in and held accountable…you shouldn’t be able to profit from selling goods that misrepresent compliance to safety certifications.
Well done John, good effort here, sharing details on quality and certification etc. As new rider 2 years ago, I did much research including loads of your content as well as others, and bought all my initial gear from a local store, other stuff subsequently from SBS and other less local bike shops, always looking for quality v cost. I’m pretty sure as a newer rider, I would struggle to buy this kind of thing from Amazon or elsewhere, without first trying stuff on. Keep up your great work, it is appreciated!
This video is further proof of why I just don't trust Amazon. There is so much fake stuff in every department not just bike gear and I don't understand why people buy any of if it. Great work on the video!
It's also peculiar that we will spend many thousands of pounds on a bike, yet often baulk at spending £300 on gloves or more for helmets, clothing etc.
Passing over responsibility to buyers is simply wrong and also illegal when allowing 3Ps to claim something that isn't. Like you go to a restaurant, you order food - have food poisoning and expected to simply say "food wasn't good" with zero consequences. If you can't control it, then stay out of the game and let those who can manage it OR don't allow any 3P to sell these products unless they are indeed shops that sell certified products anyway
Unfortunately it seems that Amazon will not take matters like this seriously until they are taken to task - either sued by a company or individual, or properly investigated by trading standards. Surely they must be held responsible for the items on their website (or is there some loophole as they are only "displaying" someone else's wares. It is only thanks to people like John Milbank that the general public get to hear about shoddy, fake and dangerous motorcycle PPE. Whatever you do John - for the love of God, don't stop.
Thank you SO much! In the past it's been kit sold by others on the Amazon platform, but these (and lots of others on the website) are fulfilled by Amazon in the UK, which changes things. I really hope we get somewhere... cheers, John
Absolutely crazy. Amazon market place is a ‘privately’ owned market place so there has to be a way for fining them for failing to police the vendors they pick up a fee from.
Dear Doctor, you said it right, that is why I don't return to Amazon for a very long time, because you dear Doctor and Jeffy-baby doesn't give a sh.. apart from the money. Amazon for many years now became the next platform of questionable items. Temu, Ali express, Wish, Amazon, they're all the same. When I hear someone around me starts riding, I jump eagerly to offer them help to find the safest gear they can get for their allocated budget. Yes, it costs me my own time, but it can potentially save that person some pain down the road - no pun intended. I point them towards educational videos like this, and reputable shops. They tell me what they want, I help them filter it down. Thank you John, and keep doing these videos. You won't stop those products being available on the market unfortunately while there is enough people buying them. But you will educate more and more people about how to make a better choice.
A great piece of investigative work on behalf of us punters. Perhaps just as concerning as Cofit's flagrant disregard for the safety regulations and Amazon's apparent "blind eye" policy, is the flaw in CE testing methods for the palm area.
Fitment alone is sufficient cause to be wary bike kit purchased from Amazon, but that's true for any online retailer. I plan to visit a shop in order to try on gear, as well as to check safety certifications.
It’s for reasons like this I don’t shop on Amazon. And I encourage everyone I know to do the same, which is to avoid the place. If it’s riding kit or electricals… you never know what is going to arrive in the post.
Had a serious accident 2021 thankfully I had top grade armour on , but I still broke some bones, but no cuts or abrasions anywhere. Thank you, Knox. Also, Ari.
Excellent video, well done. Another example of why Amazon is a shabby corporate citizen. Selling rogue PPE, dodging taxes, playing a big part in the demise of the high street. Support your local bike store & buy high quality kit, not some cheap knock off rubbish which could cost your skin!
I had the same experience with Amazon and some handlebar grips with "bar ends" that looked AMAZING online, color matched my bike and even had my bikes name on them. $40. I just thought i was getting a great deal. What i got was indeed color matched with my bike, but everything about them, including the "bar ends" where cheap grocery store toy lane plastic. The bar ends were hollow pieces of flabby plastic. A bargain at $1.99, not $40, and totally not safe.
Gloves are a must and must be fit for use. These Amazon gloves wouldn’t protect you from falling over while walking. First thing that hits the floor usually is your hands and I’ve broken my scaphoid more times than I care to remember, so I spend a lot of time searching for gloves. I’ve also lost all the skin on both my palms from a pushbike accident when younger so I know the pain
Bravo!! Great video. Thank you for providing such informative detail on your tested products, suggesting solutions and passing on the findings to trading standards. We (bikers) appreciate your work and level of detail.
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@@bennettsbikesocial talking about safety can you reuse a back protector after it’s been involved in a crash ?.
You failed by not spending the money to get the results certificated
A quick search learned that Amaz. has them back on sale😮
Amazon don't care at all
That sadly seems to be the case based on the investigations we've done... Cheers, John
@bennettsbikesocial which makes videos like this all the more important. If amazon won't do anything, other sources need to warn consumers.
Amazon is just a hosting platform like ebay with a few own brand items. So it’s not Amazon it’s the sellers on Amazon
@@MICHAELBURKE-u1d no, it's amazon for giving them a platform to sell on, and they take their % cut of the sales, they're not only complicit they are partners.
@@MICHAELBURKE-u1dAmazon are responsible for everything they profit from, by making it available for sale. It’s nothing like eBay, though they are trying very hard to be as bad.
A friend bought some 'motorcycle gloves' on Amazon. Utter crap - told him not to use them. Ended up being used as gardening gloves. They lasted 2 weekends of pulling up weeds before they disintegrated.
Criminal.
It's shocking - glad he had a mate like you to warn him. Cheers, John
The irony being a cheap pair of 2 quid gardening rigger gloves would probably be more protective than these POS. Would never consider buying bike gear off Amazon, but it is concerning that young new riders on a budget could be buying these things thinking they'll do the job.
unfortunately, i fell for the same amazon scam gloves and yup they became gardening gloves as they weren't even good enough for light mechanical work. i won't use cheap helmet, boots, or gloves!
The under $20 price should of been your red flag.
In the late 90's I "retired" some Frank Thomas leather touring gloves as I had treated myself to some new kit. They became gardening and heavy mechanical gloves along with welding gloves if I couldn't be bothered to find the real ones.
These days they're slightly oily and have the odd grass stain but would still be perfectly servicable as bike gloves in a pinch.
I usually give my older kit to people around me who buy this cheap junk and they tend to not buy the cheap junk after they have tried the real deal.
Amazon should be legally liable for selling this kind of stuff, problem is this kind of gear will most likely be bought by new riders or people that want to gift something to friend...
Exactly! Experience riders tend to know, but new riders and - as you say - those buying gifts could easily suffer. All the best, John
No Amazon only host products for other sellers (apart from a few essentials own brand) Amazon choice is based on top sales x reviews.
The company is still bringing these to market by fulfilling them, which could be how we see consequences this time
Agree that Amazon should not advertise, market or sell items that do not legally conform to applicable standards in any country.
Amazon only provides the paltform for companies to sell their stuff.
So suing them would be hard.
Putting their Amazon Choice label on it tho might be another thing
To be honest I buy from my local motorbike shops just to keep them open (when they’re gone, they’re gone😢) but both of them offer excellent customer service and advice when I’ve gone in looking for kit - Amazon reviews can’t compete.
Great work again john, you've totally changed my buying habits over the years.
Noticed some shockers at motorcycle live last year, how they get away with it is beyond me.
Thanks so much! It's going to need action from more than a handful of us for it to change, but at least more and more buyers know the difference now. All the best, John
Amazon should come under the same laws as other motorcycle clothing retailers when it comes to safety certificate regulations
Absolutely. Cheers, John
Not only for motorcycle gear, also for hiking gear, biking gear, cars, etc. They sell thrash as top selling and safe because it's money, people buy the cheapest stuff ignoring quality
I’d ask people to consider what living the rest of their lives with shattered hands would be like before buying cheap gloves. I had an accident years ago and my good gloves were probably the reason that I can still use a keyboard today… the armour on the gloves was smashed but my hands were basically ok aside from one dislocated finger
Ooof - glad you were (pretty much) okay! Cheers, John
I worked from time to time with an older fella about ten years ago. Always had a sort of tubi wrist support type thing on one arm. It looked very atrophied and he'd usually be holding one arm with the other, sometimes swinging the bad arm up like a pendulum. I thought it was thalidomide or some sort of birth problem at first but one day he caught me.leaving work in bike gear for the first time. He was very interested in whether I was wearing proper gear. Turns out it was a motorcycle accident that did his arm in. I remember his "lovely day for it" clearly. He definitely missed riding.
As an American it's an even easier, darker choice: $300 on good gloves or $300k on a hospital bill?
@@SpringfieldFatts Amazon rely on the fact that no one can afford to sue them for such medical bills - if that was to happen perhaps they might start to care about the knock-off garbage they sell
@@niclasroberts An accident sure focuses the mind on such things. The accident I mentioned was at no more than 20mph but I went up and then down hard onto the road with my right hand taking a good old hit. The knuckle armour was destroyed which could have been my hand which would have been life altering. It stands out like a beacon to me when I now see anyone riding without gloves and these Amazon gloves might as well be riding without gloves for the good they’ll do. If my story convinces 1 person to buy proper gloves then it was worth telling. I’d also add that good gloves last so are cheaper in the long run… I’m still riding into the Alpinestars gloves I got after that accident some 10 years later
This is why I buy from a bike shop - local main dealer, J&S, etc. Buying from Amazon for riding kit is a big no no for me.
It's about time Amazon took some responsiblity for what is being sold via 'their' marketplace. It's rife with conterfiet goods, some of which are clearly dangerous.
I won't even buy brand named bike gear from Amazon in case they aren't genuine.Great video as always..
Me too. There are too many fake sold by Amazon 😡
I'm glad there are people like you, calling companies out and bringing their shitty practice to light... have you also contacted UK/EU agencies to have a look at this? Amazon will just try to shift responsibility elsewhere until authority starts asking questions and demanding answers/proofs.
Yep - Trading Standards and OPSS have the full lab reports and all details. Cheers, John
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@@bennettsbikesocialGreat work 👍
Good work. Thank you! This is important work. Please carry on. One of my local dealers warned me about fake C E ratings. Unfortunately I found some equipment there that was not even C E labeled at all. At some other dealers I found my German helmet, Polish leather jacket, Italian MC Jeans, one pair of gloves made in the Netherlands and one pair made in France. Honestly my modern kit doesn't compare well to my old kit from 1978, but I gave it away.
I would never buy motorcycle gear on Amazon. I only use Amazon when I buy books.
Will be Confit and renamed something else tomorrow. Good work John calling this out, if any recognized bike store sold counterfeit good they would be held accountable. Marketplaces should ensure those selling goods with standards labelled are held to proof of same, the shrug off of a tech giant is not good enough
Let's hope they start getting the message. Cheers, John
100 euro for Alpinestars gloves. Can’t imagine buying cheap shit.
Exactly. I paid about 80GBP for some proper gloves around 10 years ago and they’re still good today
Richa gloves are what? 40-60 🤷♂️
Rst one are about that
Rukka Airium 2.0 were also 100€ :)
I got £20 DXR gloves for my GF, they are great summer gloves.
Alpinestars is overpriced. RST is cheaper and still passes the same CE tests
Definitely the moral of the story is support your local bike shop and buy the best kit you can afford.
Great content as always John. Amazon seems to sell a lot of utter rubbish products these days from unsafe motorcycle PPE to death trap electrical items with fake CE certification. Interestingly the algorithms seem to push the junk to the top of searches and it can be difficult to even find genuine items if you are able to find them at all. I wonder if this will eventually be the downfall of Amazon as customers will loose confidence. I have!
Cheers, and yes - it doesn't feel like a premium seller anymore. John
I don’t use amazon for anything anymore.i left a 2 star review for a memory stick for an iPhone a while back.i then received several emails asking me to remove the review and the would give me a gift voucher it started at £10 eventually ended up at £25..i just ignored them…
Hi, I used to be a member of BSI Committee for software engineering and, if it helps, I’d be prepared to vouch for your application to the motorcycle safety committee.
Thanks very much! I'm sharing this video with the BSI so hopefully we'll get somewhere. Cheers, John
Great that you’re highlighting this very important issue. Amazon should be at least jointly liable for selling this unsafe gear which is utterly unfit for purpose. Disgraceful.
As always, proper investigative journalism from the bike social team.
It’s sad in this day and age that you have to repeatedly point this out to who is I’m sure, the biggest retailer in the world.
The only advice I ever give friends is, buy the best that you can afford. Clearly, as long as it meets minimum safety requirements.
Cheers! John
It's about time companies like Amazon were taken to task, there needs to be a global standard as well as EU standards
I've been waiting for a space on two BSI committees for about 7 years. I am an actual bona fide expert with PhD and Technical Director of a UKAS accredited laboratory. They don't want people who want to make positive change, they want people from big multinationals or Trade/Industry Associations so they can all back-slap each other instead of actually making changes.
Soon to be back on bikes and seriously thinking of completley avoiding Amazon for any bike gear now !Thank you for all your efforts mate
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
Darwins theory of evolution is alive and thriving on Amazon, £20 for new motorcycle gloves via Amazon is a recipe for disaster. It's obvious Amazon don't care and know they can just chuck money at MPs to let them do what they like. I met you at the ABR Festival, the guy who jumped out of the Roadskin changing rooms after recognising your voice. It was great to meet you, you are as nice in person as you come across on screen. The Roadskin jeans are so comfortable.
Ah - was great to meet you! Glad you're getting on well with the Roadskins! Cheers, John
I'm not so sure about Darwin. If you're 16 or 17, just passed and are yet to learn any better these might look like a good deal. Only for you to have a minor off and lose half your hand for it.
To blokes our age its fairly obvious but kids are easily led and will just buy the top seller not knowing better.
Nice to hear the roadskins are good because I've been thinking about them for a while and I just keep seeing people happy with them.
Ha...I bought those gloves as weight lifting gloves and I wore out the palm in 3 months.
another problem is that cause of so much crap that sold on Amazon there is barely a choice of good products from trusted resellers ... all those "stores" are some couch business peoples looking for easy income ...
there's a reason seasoned bikers wear kit from "known" brands, the problem like you said is new riders who don't know any better and if they crash it may put them off for life...
I'm an instructor and we have had new riders turn up with a helmet bought online that isn't certified and would be useless in the event of a spill.
This is why i subbed to thia channel, well researched, well presented videos that actually try and have honest conversations with the industry at large
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
John, you are bloody amazing. This is one reason why I have never, and will never buy anything from Amazon / eBay, you just can't trust them. I have for many years now always bought everything I need from the Sportsbikeshop. As far I'm concerned they are 100% reliable, in the products that they sell. So for me alone, it's a no brained really. The work that you personally do on our behalf is truly commendable. I'm glad I've got my insurance through Bennetts too, plus they were £100 cheaper than loads more insurance company's as well. 👍👍🏍🏍
Thanks SO much, and really chuffed to hear that we were able to get you a great price! All the best, John
I work at an airsoft field as the head ref, we have the same issues with airsoft gear sold off on amazon. Maybe 3 masks a week, first time customers bring them in and try to wear them on the field, but since they aren't ANSI Z87+ rated, they aren't actually impact rated (even though they are advertised, on Amazon, as "Airsoft Masks"). I catch them before they get on the field, at first we were testing them by shooting them a few times, but we destroyed so many of them I could just show customers pictures of an identical mask to theirs that had the lens or mouth guard shot out and ask them to return their masks to Amazon and buy something quality that will actually keep their eyes and teeth from being shot out.
I'm not a biker, but good lord I'm glad reviewers like this exist. There are some serious scammers out there, and Amazon has given them a seriously fantastic platform to sell from.
Whilst I appreciate their willingness to rectify mistakes with a refund, if I'd been wearing these gloves and needed them ... I'd be struggling to type the "thanks" in the textbox.
Keis glove must recommend. I use mine on my electric unicycle off-road a lot. I have had so many crashes and what not. Only damage is the seams of some of the finger tips. Some super glue and bam, basically damage free.
Great info!! The dirt cheap price should scream worthless, but some people simply dont know otherwise.
I wanted to say thank you. You provide an invaluable service to the m/c community. Your knowledge, integrity, and passion for rider safety are evident. Disinformation is everywhere, while you (and Bennets) continue to advocate for motorcycle safety. Bravo!
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Anyone paying that price and expecting a good product needs to seriously re-evaluate how they look at the world.
Sure, Amazon has some responsibility, but when the price difference between Amazon crap and proven known quality products is that large, that should red flag anyone.
Great work on the video!
Consumers don't want to bear any level of responsibility for anything anymore.
Amazon needs to be sued hardly. A local store selling illegal products would get serious consecuences... While all Amazon gets out of this crime (I can't find a different word to describe what they're doing) is only an open letter and some public shaming.
Dont get me wrong, I highly appreciate the effort spent on producing this valuable, high quality video...I've never bought a single productfrom them, let alone PPE, and this convince me that I'm doing fine... but it's frustrating for me as a consumer to see that honest, small businesses have to compete in highly unbalanced conditions against a marketing giant who can violate market regulations without any serious repercussions.
@amazon it’s time to get your sh** together and address this illegal and unsafe selling. Do it now. There’s no need for any delay whatsoever.
You're doing some great work. I have worked for standards and testing laboratories as a certification engineer and I know making changes is a painstaking, expensive, long and tedious process. As a standards agency you have a big say about changes obviously, but you cannot make changes without industry consensus. Most of the time the key individuals inside are very knowledgable, this should get their attention or it is something that is already known (regarding the glove palm), but making the change will need to be voted on with the key players.
Absolutely, and we saw the problems with BS13595, but hopefully we'll see more steps taken for the good of the buyers. Cheers, John
Why can’t a standards agency make changes without industry consensus?
@@The-Splat I think it's more to do with the potential for a lack of consensus if the committee is made up of industry players.
The main reason is that a standards agency is not making any products and is not keeping up with the latest materials and technologies to make these products. As new technologies are found, the standards slowly change and evolve. LEDs really threw all the lighting product standards into a tailspin. Another reason is that some products are inherently unsafe, like a toaster.. it has exposed heating elements and sharp edges that can easily hurt humans in many ways. If we make it completely safe as a standards agency would want, it would be a really expensive and inconvenient piece of equipment that just toasts bread, that no one would buy.
Brilliant video! As motorcyclists we should be grateful to all concerned that these types of videos/tests are carried out, clearly we can’t always trust ‘trusted sellers’!
" PALM SLIDER " ( Knox protection ) i would look for while buying a new pairs of gloves.
CURRENTLY I'm using a PALM SLIDERS one and while i ride my BIKE I feels PROTECTED.
For more safety... One should go for FULL GUANLET gloves ( Racer gloves )..Whose covered more parts of our hand's portions or parts.
GREAT VIDEO....
Thank you bro for this informative, Safety and useful video.
😊👍🏻
Still the best consumer journalism in the moto sphere right here and for free. As I’m not in the UK I can’t buy your insurance and I don’t really have a need for the (very good) deals you provide with the membership. I will however gladly buy you a pint should we ever meet. Thank you John, these things matter.
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
You are slowly becoming one of the people on my list of ‘if you could have a meal with anyone who would it be?’
I honestly don’t think you can beat going to a proper motorcycle store and speaking with the staff there and making an informed decision. Yes it cost more but when I fell and had my leg pinned under the bike until it came to a stop I can 100% say it was worth every penny. I got up and walked off with some bruising only.
Glad you're okay, and thanks! Though I need to warn you that I don't share my food!
When it comes to safety kit i never buy from amazon.
All my gear has been either manufacturer direct (Hood / JTS jeans) or sportsbike shop and well known brands (RST Daytona Oxford Helite). In the safety game you really do get what you pay for. Dont play with your safety and wellbeing 👍. Great video and calling them out.
Thanks! All the best, John
You've completely dissuaded me from buying any gloves from Amazon. I'll be off to my local store this week instead.
Then it was worth the work. Cheers, and glad you'll be safer now. John
Amazon should comply to all requirement with their products for motorcycle and proper certification .
Totally agree. Cheers, John
Well done for highlighting this. Its not just unsafe, uncertified motorcycle gear amazon sell unfortunately - its the majority of their range
Amazon need to make it clear on each listing whether they are acting as a retail seller or a marketplace with a link to what this different means to your rights.
Top marks to you for calling out this poor equipment. Experienced motorcyclists will probably not be fooled but there will be a lot of inexperienced riders who will be and will be putting themselves at risk…
Absolutely - hopefully it helps. Cheers, John
The more shares the link to this video gets, the more riders will get the message. A proposal to set up a web site providing information on the standards, combined with literature sent out by DVLA with all provisional licences, licence renewals and motorcycle V5s, etc., has not progressed since it was last discussed some 18 months ago.
Just subscribed to your channel. I Literally ordered these Cofit gloves 3 minutes before finding this video. I was looking for reviews on the Insta360 after ordering new gloves. And boom this video popped up on the right. I canceled the order immediately. So youve helped at Me out and I appreciate it very much. I will now question all pieces of motorcycle kit before purchasing. THANK YOU!
Unfortunately im having a terrible time finding gloves here in the USA that even talk about the CE rating.
Honestly, if the work that went into Thai saves one person's hands, it's been totally worthwhile. Cheers!
I've also just put out a video about the Insta360 X4 if you fancy a look. th-cam.com/video/oPE2HUX16XU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5FGzqDX9Y_67o2s_
All the best, John
I have the LS2 KP2 gloves from 18 mins in. Brilliant glove and only cost me around £80 odd! Yes buddy, we 100% need you representing us please!!
Thanks! All the best, John
As an 11 year old I fell off my bicycle at about 30 mph going down a steep hill - my hands, face and upper body were torn shreds, I was a mass of scabs, I had to have gravel pulled out of my hands, it was bloody awful. The first thing you do when falling off a bicycle or motorcycle is put your hands out !!! Great work John 👍🏻
Ooof! Sorry to hear that! Cheers, John
20:35 Kudos to that guy for trying his best to be believable whilst reading from a teleprompter words he did not understand. Holding the coffee cup gave him something to do with his hands. 👍 He was dead inside. 😂
We're still trying to get a comment back from Amazon... Sadly we're being blanked.
Hi John, thank you for highlighting this issue and after watching your video I checked a pair of gloves I bought for last summer and guess what they are the gloves you mentioned.... Good job I've only used them once or twice ☹️ think Amazon should recall them and offer customers full refunds!! Disgraceful 😡
It might be worth asking for a refund, as they've been misrepresented. Cheers, John
I’m so glad to see someone, with a voice, flagging this up. I was sent a similar set of gloves, through Amazon’s Vine programme. I always provided honest and objective feedback, which clearly didn’t please the seller, as I was then dropped from the programme (with no real explanation, after many years).
Sorry to hear that, but glad there are honest people out there. All the best, John
It's shocking how Amazon get away with this. I saw an electrical engineer test automotive fuses, none of them failed at the correct rating. Highly dangerous and a fire hazard.
Thank you for all this work!
Our governments must start requiring Amazon and other mail order companies to follow the same laws as other resellers and not hide behind some "Oh we are not the ones selling the product, we are only...." excuses.
It's destroying legitimate businesses! Cheers, John
They do, but don't enforce. Not unique to UK, EU or anywhere else.
So many retailers where their entire offering is non compliant unfortunately! Bikers Paradise / Bikeweardirect / bikers gear Australia / warrior gears / Lane hunters to name a few...
Amazon need to pay attention, this is people’s health and lives they are risking.
Mark Taylor.
Totally agree. While Amazon is welcome to comment on here, I doubt they will. I'm sure there will be views of this though. All the best, John
The point is though that Amazon do NOT need to listen because they are getting away with it. No-one is even censuring them let alone prosecuting them, let alone issuing them with the kind of enormous penalties that would ensure they address the problem.
It's not just Amazon. I've lost count of the number of adverts for "motorcycle" gear, particularly gloves and footwear on Facebook.
Facebook is a whole other problem. The one thing you can at least say about Amazon is that it replies to most issues, which is more than Facebook has.
Great vid but you did raise a good point. Sometimes you can shop for a great product from a great dealer but it just doesn't fit. I experienced this recently. I bought a fantastic Richa jacket that fits really well but I couldn't find gloves that fitted just right for me. I do currently have a pair of Held ventilated leather gloves so will stick with them till it gets cold then I'll have to go shopping again
Very thorough as always - shocking the way this continues to be ignored and the generic responses they give you
Cheers! Still pushing for some more acknowledgement from them. All the best, John
I've personally always bought my biking gear from an in-store place not because of safety standards rather because i'm an odd size my arms & body are really long with semi broad shoulders also you can get insane deals for brand name stuff like I picked up a set of black brand gloves for 10 quid because the tag pierced a bit of the cuff too bad i won't be able to ride this season because my insurance is taking the piss with paying out.
After watching the valuable videos made by Bike Social, I will now not buy online, and a great way to start supporting our local shops, where you can see what your buying, with confidence.
Amazon has damaged its reputation hugely in my eyes. it has ignored Bennetts for too long, over a legal and moral obligation. To me, they are no better than the people selling unsafe gear.
It’s really shameful that people can get away with this. It’s the kind of crap my dad would buy thinking he’s got a good deal from Amazon or eBay.
John! You're doing amazing work mate, a true hats off to you for all your dedication to keeping riders safe.
Thanks for all your work as ever mate. Very worrying from Amazon, how on earth were these gloves ever allowed to feature in their marketplace?
Sadly, these appear to just be a drop in the ocean. Cheers, John
Well done for taking the fight to the big guys flouting the rules.
Not CE rated, Amazon don’t care, and don’t pay any tax in the UK. These pirates need to be held to account.
Amazon is a hellhole for shopping and it is just fitting that they are in utter violation of consumer protection and safety regulations. Seen these gloves before, girlfriend bought these some time ago and I told her my concerns with my gloves next to them. She left them on a window counter never wearing them and UV from the window was enough to kill the pair in a couple month. Never seen such with good riding gloves, mine all dry in the sun.
Bruh, they are not going to stop letting resellers offer those unsafe products.. It makes them money..
Amazon doesn't care. It is flooded with poor quality products with high profit margin for sellers. As a consumer, you must do your own due diligence. Some red flags to look out for: photo-shopped product picture, price is too good to be good, random sounding brand name or seller name, mismatched reviews (for example you're looking at gloves but some reviews is for a phone charger), overly generic or well written good reviews (signs of paid reviews).
All excellent tips. Cheers, John
I again find my refusal to buy even a chewing gum through Amazon confirmed to be a very sensible choice. 😊
It defies belief that anyone would buy motorcycle safety gear from Amazon in the first place let alone thinking any safety markings or ratings are actually genuine.
The UK could eliminate the illegal kit themselves. All they need to do is to publish an up to date database of all gear with a CE rating and what that rating is. It doesn't even make sense that they put a system together that rates things and they don't have a list to go verify a product against. At this point, the world is relying on the UK because no one else seems to be doing it, and any that look like they are, are just copying the UK system.
Also, the fact that those gloves passed any aspect of the testing regime is a massive problem for the testing regime. I would say a much bigger problem than for whoever makes those garden gloves.
Thank you for doing this on our behalf, it’s so important to have these inferior products removed from the market. Amazon needs to be reined in and held accountable…you shouldn’t be able to profit from selling goods that misrepresent compliance to safety certifications.
Thanks for trying to keep us all safe I hope you manage to stop Amazon selling crap
Sadly I think we're a long way off, but thanks! All the comments here will hopefully be helping raise some awareness. Cheers, John
Well done John, good effort here, sharing details on quality and certification etc. As new rider 2 years ago, I did much research including loads of your content as well as others, and bought all my initial gear from a local store, other stuff subsequently from SBS and other less local bike shops, always looking for quality v cost.
I’m pretty sure as a newer rider, I would struggle to buy this kind of thing from Amazon or elsewhere, without first trying stuff on.
Keep up your great work, it is appreciated!
Thanks very much! All the best, John
This video is further proof of why I just don't trust Amazon. There is so much fake stuff in every department not just bike gear and I don't understand why people buy any of if it. Great work on the video!
It's also peculiar that we will spend many thousands of pounds on a bike, yet often baulk at spending £300 on gloves or more for helmets, clothing etc.
Passing over responsibility to buyers is simply wrong and also illegal when allowing 3Ps to claim something that isn't. Like you go to a restaurant, you order food - have food poisoning and expected to simply say "food wasn't good" with zero consequences.
If you can't control it, then stay out of the game and let those who can manage it OR don't allow any 3P to sell these products unless they are indeed shops that sell certified products anyway
I agree - if Amazon doesn't want to meet its legal obligations when selling motorcycle riding kit, they shouldn't sell it.
Unfortunately it seems that Amazon will not take matters like this seriously until they are taken to task - either sued by a company or individual, or properly investigated by trading standards. Surely they must be held responsible for the items on their website (or is there some loophole as they are only "displaying" someone else's wares.
It is only thanks to people like John Milbank that the general public get to hear about shoddy, fake and dangerous motorcycle PPE.
Whatever you do John - for the love of God, don't stop.
Thank you SO much! In the past it's been kit sold by others on the Amazon platform, but these (and lots of others on the website) are fulfilled by Amazon in the UK, which changes things. I really hope we get somewhere... cheers, John
Absolutely crazy. Amazon market place is a ‘privately’ owned market place so there has to be a way for fining them for failing to police the vendors they pick up a fee from.
Dear Doctor, you said it right, that is why I don't return to Amazon for a very long time, because you dear Doctor and Jeffy-baby doesn't give a sh.. apart from the money. Amazon for many years now became the next platform of questionable items. Temu, Ali express, Wish, Amazon, they're all the same.
When I hear someone around me starts riding, I jump eagerly to offer them help to find the safest gear they can get for their allocated budget. Yes, it costs me my own time, but it can potentially save that person some pain down the road - no pun intended. I point them towards educational videos like this, and reputable shops. They tell me what they want, I help them filter it down.
Thank you John, and keep doing these videos. You won't stop those products being available on the market unfortunately while there is enough people buying them. But you will educate more and more people about how to make a better choice.
Thank YOU for helping others to make informed choices. Cheers, John
Great work John. Amazing that the authorities cannot crack down on this practice.
Let's hope we see change at some point...
I had these exact same gloves and decided I would change them BEFORE I needed them.
I settled for the Alpinestars Men's SMX-1 Air v2.
Good work Benetts, thank you! The more motorcyclists that watch this, the better.
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
A great piece of investigative work on behalf of us punters. Perhaps just as concerning as Cofit's flagrant disregard for the safety regulations and Amazon's apparent "blind eye" policy, is the flaw in CE testing methods for the palm area.
Still have my gauntlet style, all leather, Yamaha gloves from the 70s. Used them on my 71 , R5B 2 stroke, still have that too.
Another video proving that Bikesocial cares and is most motorcyclist centric channel.
Thanks so much! Cheers, John
Brilliant, I doff my cap to you sir. I will be writing to my MP and encourage everyone else to do the same
Thank you SO much! Cheers, John
Fitment alone is sufficient cause to be wary bike kit purchased from Amazon, but that's true for any online retailer. I plan to visit a shop in order to try on gear, as well as to check safety certifications.
It’s for reasons like this I don’t shop on Amazon. And I encourage everyone I know to do the same, which is to avoid the place. If it’s riding kit or electricals… you never know what is going to arrive in the post.
Had a serious accident 2021 thankfully I had top grade armour on , but I still broke some bones, but no cuts or abrasions anywhere. Thank you, Knox. Also, Ari.
Hope you're on the mend okay. Cheers, John
Excellent video, well done. Another example of why Amazon is a shabby corporate citizen. Selling rogue PPE, dodging taxes, playing a big part in the demise of the high street. Support your local bike store & buy high quality kit, not some cheap knock off rubbish which could cost your skin!
Well said! Cheers, John
Love the " Don't be a dick, Ride safe, always wear your gloves " instruction in the Goldtop gloves inner label !
Brilliant effort and great video. Honestly, you're the first place I check when I need to buy any kit. Cheers
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
I had the same experience with Amazon and some handlebar grips with "bar ends" that looked AMAZING online, color matched my bike and even had my bikes name on them. $40. I just thought i was getting a great deal. What i got was indeed color matched with my bike, but everything about them, including the "bar ends" where cheap grocery store toy lane plastic. The bar ends were hollow pieces of flabby plastic. A bargain at $1.99, not $40, and totally not safe.
Gloves are a must and must be fit for use. These Amazon gloves wouldn’t protect you from falling over while walking. First thing that hits the floor usually is your hands and I’ve broken my scaphoid more times than I care to remember, so I spend a lot of time searching for gloves. I’ve also lost all the skin on both my palms from a pushbike accident when younger so I know the pain
Ouch! All the best, John
Bravo!! Great video.
Thank you for providing such informative detail on your tested products, suggesting solutions and passing on the findings to trading standards.
We (bikers) appreciate your work and level of detail.
Thanks so much! All the best, John