Will always be their best Console Wars BECAUSE it's so sloppy and unorganized lol. Feels like two friends just having fun arguing about a game over some beers, and that's charming.
The Nintendo/Sega war was a very exciting time for gamers. You either had a Sega Genesis (which I had) or a Snes at home and check the other console at your friend's. Love you guys for keeping that era alive. Keep going!
***** lol Hey, I LOVED my Saturn. I still have mines and about 20 games for it :P But the problem is that game developers outside of Sega of Japan/America really had no CLUE how to program for the Saturn :O So many of the games that were on Saturn and PS1 systems ended up looking like trash on the Saturn :/
Sega didn't make a "port" because the arcade version was licensed to Nintendo by Konami. Konami made Hyperstone Heist exclusively for Sega. There was no reason Genesis/Megadrive wouldn't be able to handle an arcade port. (Given a decent amount of time to properly code the game) Yes, the Genesis could handle the "mode 7" or "scaling" effects the SNES used. The main difference would be an inferior color palette, however H.Heist looks fantastic as is. Oh and the music was top quality as well.
Mode 7 is nothing more than Sprite Scaling. The SNES had built in hardware features that made it easier for game developers to utilize scaling effects in their games. Sega could do the exact same thing, but it would have to be coded in by a talented developer. I don't know the exact number, but the Genesis/MD had quite a few games that showcased some awesome scaling effects. Contra Hard Corps, The Adventures of Batman and Robin, Mega Turrican and some Sega Sports Titles are only a handful that come to mind.
+BIGGIEDEVIL +Daniel Critchley The Sega Mega Drive doesn't *need* to do mode 7 - that is, as +samdroidva has already stated quite clearly, mode 7 was a hardware feature specifically built into the SNES, whereas on the Sega Mega Drive, the system architecture was more than capable of reproducing these effects through software processing without the need for a hardware feature. Faster processing, combined with more memory bandwidth, means a developer who knew how to make the most of the Sega Mega Drive's capabilities could reproduce those effects - and on top of that, the base Sega Mega Drive hardware's capabilities are so good in fact that Nintendo had to develop the FX Chip just to surpass its default 3D and polygon fill rates (and they only just achieved that, too). The Sega Mega Drive more than held its own against Nintendo's SNES, which is quite an impressive feat given the Sega Mega Drive was first released in 1988 compared to the SNES' launch in 1991, and is why I consider the Sega Mega Drive to be one of the greatest (if not *the* greatest) consoles ever made. Generally speaking, if a game was made for both systems, and the SNES outclassed the Sega Mega Drive's in terms of graphics, it's because of other variables such as lazy ports, poor programming, and the like - not whatever marginal hardware differences existed between the two systems. Here's a link to a helpful technical comparison: segaretro.org/Blast_processing#DMA
Tmnt turtles in time is one of those few games that are actually better than the arcade versions. Think about it, easier to play, bonus levels, this game on snes is better than the arcade version. I dont miss the extra animations from the arcade at all.
The combat is better, but graphics/sound/presentation was quite inferior, also not as chaotic as the 4 players arcade with 8+ enemies on screen. Turtles in Time is just a party game for me, so i prefer the arcade
Nah. The arcade is usually far superior than any home port and this is no different. Much better graphics and animation sound correct boss placement better 3D, presentation, 4 players and way more enemies on screen.
Agreed. The SNES is way better than the Arcade version. The Arcade version was just a quarter muncher. The SNES version was actually fair, playable, and more fun because of it. Better graphics and animations doesn’t make a game better. Gameplay does, and SNES has it over the Arcade, IMO
I feel sorry for people that were stuck with Hyper stone heist as a kid and now here years later they're trying to defend it and even compare it to the legendary Turtles In Time. Ah Nostalgia can warp minds.
Michelangelo has always been my most favorite Ninja Turtle of all time, and he can actually kick butt in both games as well, especially since his attacks can deal out more damage even though they are a bit slower to execute.
Also, the 64 gave us Ocarina of Time, Mariokart, Banjo Kazooie, Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Majora's Mask, Super Smash Bros and Paper Mario. The GCN gave us Windwaker, Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2, F-Zero GX (easily the fastest racing game ever) and Super Smash Bros. Melee (one of the most competitive fighting games of all time). Hell, the Gameboy after 1996 gave us Pokemon, Golden Sun, Phoenix Wright, and EBA to name a few...
I always though the Sega genesis version had better graphics to be honest,but I enjoyed both version back in the day. The genesis version was faster and played smoother,but the super nes version had a number of things missing in the genesis version. I love both and have the super nes version,but the genesis version is extremely expensive for some reason.
I genuinely find the Genesis music in Konami games to be better (or at least more enjoyable) than their SNES counterparts. Konami was way into those orchestra hits, which work well to accent the music, but not as part of the main melody, which they'd often do in their SNES games. Also, the staccato and abrupt 1/8 notes Konami used in the soundtrack of Turtles in time for tare jarring. That said, you really can't go wrong with either soundtrack.
I remember Hyperstone Heist being THE FIRST BEAT EM UP I EVER BEAT and one of if not my favorite Sega game! I was like 10 and my Dad helped me. I used Donatello and my Dad used Leo. When we beat Shredder my sister was watching and I remember it Was A FAMILY CELEBRATION! lol. One of my favorite video game memories Ever! HYPERSTONE HEIST 4 EVER! SCREW TURTLES IN TIME!!!
Same game. Besides, Streets of Rage 2 trumps Hyperstone any day, as that beat 'em up DOMINATED the Genesis, not to mention the genre itself. Of course, I think you would agree if it wasn't for Final Fight or Double Dragon, there wouldn't be beat 'em ups, let alone any Turtles games to boot, and we'd be stuck with the crappy NES game, and that... would be a horrific thought, in and of itself. Still, Hyperstone is the same as Turtles in Time.
The only reason Nintendo won is he compared the few aspects that made it look like hyperstone heist was a rip-off Nintendo's game is not that faithful because it added stuff that wasn't in the arcade game sure debatably that could have just made it better but still
@@nicolewhite3157 yeah this is straight up goddamn bullshit, Super Nintendo version is superior because of the soundtrack alone because the Genesis cannot touch the sound quality of the Super Nintendo at least in this game
You guys should do an episode where Dan goes back in time to when the production values were still really rudimentary, the writing was loose like this, and Greg still played Nintendo. It would be like in Space Quest IV when Roger Wilco went back to Space Quest II and it was all CGA graphics and PC Speaker sound.
I can name many companies Sega included I wish could have stayed around instead of ending up with Sony and Microsoft. I know my opinion is not popular but it is still mine. The games I enjoy are becoming more and more scarce well the new ones at least.
The acting is very bad in this episode and that's what makes it fun! You guys have grown so mutch in the last two years, it's amazing! Watching old episodes again with this in mind makes it extra fun to see them again. Please stay in the SNES vs Genesis setting instead of going into other console generations. SNES vs Genesis was the biggest console war ever and it's the heart of the show! I'll hope to see an episode of Flashback or Out of this world in the near future. Keep the 16-bit SNES vs Genesis war alive!!
@@turbobist2889 you could consider that factor... But my answer was 2 months ago... So it was more random because of the lesser quality of old video...
The channel really should be more than a million subs. It pisses me off to no end that you aren’t more successful. You all deserve it. Also, wow your production values came a long way! Still a great video though
I have & enjoy both games. TMNT: The HyperStone Heist actually has some elements from the original Arcade game. -The sewer areas in level 1 (the design looks similar to the 2nd area of level 2 of the 1st Arcade game) -Rocksteady -Dr. Baxter Stockman as a human riding in that hover device releasing Mousers -A car that pulls out & tries to run you over in the street area of level 1 -The portal to Dimension X that Krang comes out of, but I kind of think Krang in TMNT: The HyperStone Heist is a combination of both the original Arcade game & Turtles in Time Because of those, I said that the Sega Genesis could've easily gotten a 16-bit version/port of the 1st Arcade game & it would've looked great. Did I miss anything? It's cool that TMNT: The HyperStone Heist has a boss like Master Tatsu & the Shredder's Hideout level (both missing from TMNT: Turtles in Time), but Turtles in Time (on Super Nintendo at least) has Slash & even Tokka & Rahzar as well as futuristic levels. Overall, I prefer TMNT: Turtles in Time more, mainly because it's longer. It just sucks that neither game comes equipped with a 4 player mode. I know Super Nintendo had a multi-tap, but I don't know if Sega Genesis did.
i wish sega had gotten konami to port the first arcade game, but i bet there was a conflict of interest from nintendo, who had tmnt II: the arcade game (8-bit port of the 1989 arcade game) as an exclusive. to my knowledge, games had to be on the nes two years before they could be ported/made available on any other console. stupid nintendo.
Had the game been developed on Genesis 1st it probably would have been four players. The nintendo usual had trouble with too many characters on screen.
I have huge nostalgia for Turtles in TIme and only today got Hyperstone Heist, and I have to say I think there is an argument to be made for Hyperstone beating Turtles in Time in gameplay. I feel like the sega version is faster which I really like and the dash button makes a huge difference imo. That said, Turtles in Time is definitely better imo (and yours), but the sega version is a much closer contender than I would have thought. Glad they made the genesis one different so it's worth owning both.
This comparison ignored some things. For example, The turtles have more color detail on their shells on the Genesis. Also, the music sounds closer to the arcade version of TIT.
It should be noted the SNES version isn't a direct port of the arcade game. It added a level (technodrome) several bosses from the cartoon (rat king, Rocksteady and Bebop, Slash the Turtle) heavy use of the mode 7 system to do the revamped hoverboard level in the future and the screen-tossing ability, and it allowed you to do the screen toss and the back and forth slam attack at-will using button commands rather than simply randomly (and they had an effect on the game cause they gave more kill points than a normal kill, so more extra lives earned if you got good at them). I love hyperstone heist. Some things about it I like more than Turtles in Time. But the lack of on demand special attacks (meaning you just hit stuff over and over with less strategy) and the tinny sound to the music and sound effects (especially hit sounds) on the genesis lead me to favor Turtles in Time.
Hyperstone Heist: A t t a c k s ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ Combo Attack: Hammer the A button and your turtle of choice will perform a combo of sorts. You will hit the enemy a couple of times with your weapon, before knocking the enemy to the floor, usually killing them. Though this is the most basic attack, it is also the most effective. Rising Kick: Press B and quickly press A and you will perform a rising kick. This isn't a particularly strong attack, but it is good for knocking enemies to the ground so that you can concentrate on others. Use this when surrounded by big crowds of enemies because you can't easily be hit whilst performing it. Flying Kick: Similar to the Rising Kick, jump and press A a little later. The turtle will shoot straight to the ground and perform a flying kick. This is performed a lot quicker than the Rising Kick, though it isn't particularly powerful. Charge : Press C and either left or right to make your turtle run. Press A and the turtle will shoulder charge an enemy. Though you may think this is a powerful attack, it really isn't. My advice is to avoid using it, because it is of little use. Front Flip : Press C and start running. Press B and your turtle will perform a front flip. Use this to evade large groups of enemies. This is an okay move, but the flying or rising kicks are better options. Special : Press A and B together and your turtle will perform their special attack. This is a strong move, usually killing your foe in one or two hits. However, there is a major drawback to this attack. Every time you attack an enemy, a few bars of your own health will be depleted. Use a few of these in quick succession and your health will soon be drained. For this reason I would advise that you avoid this technique at all cost. Smash : The smash attack is one you won't use very often. If you hit an enemy once, then move close to them and press A again, sometimes you will perform the smash. When this happens the enemy will stick to the end of your weapon while you smash them back and forth, side to side. Any other enemies that are in the way will be harmed by this. However, you should avoid doing this while you are near Purples and Oranges as you can easily be harmed by either projectile attacks.
I agree with all of what you say except the when you say Hyper Stone Heist involves less Strategy. I think Hyper Stone Heist plays smoother than Turtles in Time. The turtles are more responsive and they move faster. Hyper Stone Heist is harder than Turtles in Time. The CPU is a little more aggressive and you have to use more strategy to beat the bosses because their moves seem to have better priority and you are punished for your mistakes more because the CPU seems to have more diverse Attack Patterns with their various of moves. I felt that in Turtles in time for most of the bosses you could get away with wailing on them and I had to think less about the things I did in a boss fight than in Hyperstone Heist. Because of all of this I think the stat advantages and diss advantages of the turtles are more crucial and meaningful when selecting them, meaning Raph being most fast but weaker, Don being slower and having larger reach and Leo and Mike being middle ground Turtles with their idiosyncrasies are more meaningful in Hyper Stone Heist than in Turtles in Time.
@@DerekMoore82 I believe ALL of these are also available on the SNES. You can also do a front handspring across the whole screen on the SNES. Not sure if that also applies on the Sega. Again. You can also throw enemies off screen.
Both of these games are great. Turtles in Time is based off the arcade machine with a few exclusive levels for SNES, Hyperstone Heist is based off the SNES version. Both games are not ripoffs of the other because they were both made by Konami. Both games are as good as Konami wanted to make them. Bottom line, Play them both. I personally like them both so both win. Debate over. BOYAKASHA!
The SNES definitely won all round here. Of course the arcade was the best and it had 4 players but as a port it was definitely the best until the MAME on a Disks scene came out on the PS, PS2, PS3 and PS4 and all the other systems powerful enough to have MAME on a Disk ports from the era.
I didn't even know this game existed when I was a child although I was a huge turtles fan. Too bad I would have bought a Mega Drive instead of the Atari Lynx only for his, instead I bought it in early 1995 when its better days were already behind
If the snes didn’t lose so much content I may have to agree. Yeah it added levels too. I loved them both but honestly I liked the sega one a bit more because I had already beat the arcade game numerous times and it was so much more refreshing to have the same great gameplay around a new game. This is a great example of owning both is better than picking one.
Tip: If you make tortillas pizzas, it is best to pre-cook the shells for 10-15 before adding sauce/toppings. That way they aren't flimsy when you go to eat it.
Turtles in Time is superior in many ways to Hyperstone Heist, but the Hyperstone Heist music is much better, but I agree that the sound effects are really better in Turtles in Time.
@@Maru96 Yeah, the SNES version sounds very flat and many instrument voices are low grade. The Hyperstone soundtrack has aged better, uses bright FM synth more closely resembling Konami's arcade tunes, has a superior stereo mix, and uses surprisingly decent and punchy drum samples.
I would give gameplay to Genesis. The dash button being assigned to C helps a lot more than you might think. I find it gives more control and makes it quicker/easier to perform dash attacks, which are the three most useful attacks to pull off. You can do them in the SNES, but not quite as easily as the Genesis. Throwing enemies into the screen is a) kind of random(ish) and b) only has use for one screen in the game. The extra dash control is useful for every single screen except maybe bosses. Other than that, SNES beats Genesis all day, if only bc of it being an arcade port
You should put all the songs you write for the episodes in their own video.... They just freaking awesome, specially the ones in the ghost and ghouls video XD
Fuckin' Pizza Song...ROFL!!!....And the SNES "talking" at the end! xD I love you guys! I own both of these games, and I love them about the same, but yeah, Turtles in Time is definitely the better overall game, for sure.
I'd say it's a tie. SNES has better graphics because of more colors, but the music is EXTREMELY better on the Genesis and I also found the sound effects better on Genesis. Voices are average on both.
While I agree with most of your assessments, Genesis had a more satisfying difficulty, and the inclusion of the dash button was very, very important. I would give gameplay to the Genesis version despite the SNES version's different modes.
For those who just watched some ignorant videos like " AVGN Snes vs Genesis" this information: contrary to popular belief Genesis is more powerfull then Snes. It has a processor that runs 7.6 MhZ while Snes's processor runs 3.6 Mhz. So it's faster more then twice. Genesis also can handle much more sprites - so it can show better visual effects and can show more stuff on the screen at once. It has more bandwith DMA (capable of better animation), faster overall cpu resource. Now U got it?
i like to come back to this video every so often, and this time to say, i tried the make your own pizza mode, and it came out pretty good. even listened to the song making it.
I heard that Konami had an exclusivity deal with Nintendo to port Turtles In Time. Hyperstone Heist was Konami's way of circumventing the deal. They took out the time travel theme and made other tweaks in order to bring some form of Turtles in Time to the Genesis.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time, clean sweeped all four categories. Mario: "First win for Nintendo, wahoo!" Michelangelo: "Cowabunga!"
The Hyperstone Heist has nothing original to it. Its just a big mash up, made out of levels from previous Turtles games like Turtles 2 ( the original Arcade Game), Turtles 3 and Turtles in Time.
Turtles in Time arcade version... The animation in that game.. Whoa Lordy!!! SNES is not a faithful conversion neither is Sega. Contrary to popular belief.. The hyper stone heist does a few small things from the arcade that SNES actually misses. Still I love both to death
Actually the megadrive version was due to licensing and Nintendo being gits with Konami making a contract saying exclusive only. So they did the hyper stone heist to negate this.
I agree with you on the first matter.However, what you call miracle i call skillfully programing. Altought in most ports of the exact game for both consoles, the sound for snes is better(especially since capcom and probe never did a great job with the sound chip for MD), when you look at the music made by guys like Yuzo Koshiro, Tommy Tallarico, Jesper Kyd, Tokuhiko Uwabo and Hitoshi Sakamoto, the history changes a bit.I personally love the heavy drums and bass for the MD.
LET'S KICK SHELL! IF i had to pick one version of Turtles in time. I would pick the SNES version over the Xbox arcade remake even I MISS THE ORIGINAL SEWER SURFIN MUSIC!
Love going back and watching these old vids of you guys. That said, I agree Tint has the edge but only slightly. Hyperstone imo has the better sound and gameplay, run button makes ALOT of difference in how agile you can be on command( dont you dare tell me to just double tap forward, its not reliable and you know it). Also the shared tracks are sped up on genesis giving the tunes a more hard rock edge, simply put the songs sounded better on genesis this isnt even a debate imo. Its a polished and streamlined experience that gets right to the point with 5 stages split in 2 parts. TINT has more content and is far more experimental with its mode 7 (this leads to some cheap deaths though, and that shredder fight feels tacky and forced and serves only as a graphical flex). Both are easy to just pick up and play and on their own are the the best beat em ups on their respective systems.
I'm a little disappointed that they didn't show any gameplay in comic mode for Hyperstone Heist. It showcases all the turtles different colors which I think makes it very distinct.
Will always be their best Console Wars BECAUSE it's so sloppy and unorganized lol. Feels like two friends just having fun arguing about a game over some beers, and that's charming.
They still do the same style. Always golden
The same with angry video game nerd.
@chinopuertorico it hasn't been the same without Greg tbh
Definitely a top episode!
The Nintendo/Sega war was a very exciting time for gamers. You either had a Sega Genesis (which I had) or a Snes at home and check the other console at your friend's. Love you guys for keeping that era alive. Keep going!
The older we get, the more we want to go back. lol.
Console Wars
I went back to my sega genesis and snes fuck ps3 ps4 xbox 360 and xbox one
Or you had both of them.
Luckily I have both. Long live SNES and Genesis.
***** Honestly I like the Xbox, but yeah 90's gaming was the golden years.
I know there are a very finite number of SNES and Genesis games to compare, but...
*NEVER* *STOP!!*
We'll go on as long as we can.
+Console Wars Why not compare Genesis and Playstation games next? I know you guys have to be fans of other systems too, right?
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lol I meant Saturn xD
Even though the Saturn might get stomped even more easier than the Genesis would ._.
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lol Hey, I LOVED my Saturn. I still have mines and about 20 games for it :P But the problem is that game developers outside of Sega of Japan/America really had no CLUE how to program for the Saturn :O So many of the games that were on Saturn and PS1 systems ended up looking like trash on the Saturn :/
April has a bigger rack in the SNES nuff said.
I wasn't going to masturbate today but you convinced me.
Watching the cartoon at the time I seem to pay more attention to that then the story of each episode. 🤪🤪🤪
😂🤣👍🏼
Can't argue with that
How is it every time I watch a console wars video I end up binge watching 4/5 episodes in a row? I love this web series
Same here; I woke up a little earlier so I can have a mini marathon to myself. 😁
6:15 “I’ll show you a crappy cutscene!”
*Strangles Dan*
Greg became Homer Simpson for a second.
Sega didn't make a "port" because the arcade version was licensed to Nintendo by Konami. Konami made Hyperstone Heist exclusively for Sega. There was no reason Genesis/Megadrive wouldn't be able to handle an arcade port. (Given a decent amount of time to properly code the game) Yes, the Genesis could handle the "mode 7" or "scaling" effects the SNES used. The main difference would be an inferior color palette, however H.Heist looks fantastic as is. Oh and the music was top quality as well.
hahaha no it couldn't how many Sega games have mode 7 graphics?? no speech....... because the sound (mostly) was inferior on MD ports
Mode 7 is nothing more than Sprite Scaling. The SNES had built in hardware features that made it easier for game developers to utilize scaling effects in their games. Sega could do the exact same thing, but it would have to be coded in by a talented developer. I don't know the exact number, but the Genesis/MD had quite a few games that showcased some awesome scaling effects. Contra Hard Corps, The Adventures of Batman and Robin, Mega Turrican and some Sega Sports Titles are only a handful that come to mind.
+samdroidva it's very rare a Sega game outshines a SNES game in graphics when they make the same game
Genesis can't do mode 7 !
+BIGGIEDEVIL
+Daniel Critchley
The Sega Mega Drive doesn't *need* to do mode 7 - that is, as +samdroidva has already stated quite clearly, mode 7 was a hardware feature specifically built into the SNES, whereas on the Sega Mega Drive, the system architecture was more than capable of reproducing these effects through software processing without the need for a hardware feature.
Faster processing, combined with more memory bandwidth, means a developer who knew how to make the most of the Sega Mega Drive's capabilities could reproduce those effects - and on top of that, the base Sega Mega Drive hardware's capabilities are so good in fact that Nintendo had to develop the FX Chip just to surpass its default 3D and polygon fill rates (and they only just achieved that, too).
The Sega Mega Drive more than held its own against Nintendo's SNES, which is quite an impressive feat given the Sega Mega Drive was first released in 1988 compared to the SNES' launch in 1991, and is why I consider the Sega Mega Drive to be one of the greatest (if not *the* greatest) consoles ever made. Generally speaking, if a game was made for both systems, and the SNES outclassed the Sega Mega Drive's in terms of graphics, it's because of other variables such as lazy ports, poor programming, and the like - not whatever marginal hardware differences existed between the two systems. Here's a link to a helpful technical comparison:
segaretro.org/Blast_processing#DMA
I'm a Sega fan and I love both of these games, but if I had to be stuck with one it would be Turtles in Time.
Same.
Bolth Turtles in time and Hyperstone Heist are bolth awesome games
9 years ago! Wow. I can watch Console Wars over and over again. Oh and Turtles in Time is still the best 🤣
Iguanas ranas por aquí.
I just love this videos, they're work it's just too good even 10 years and it's still at the same level of enjoyable
@@clone0azul9 This channel deserves so many more subscribers. I don't understand how they only have 55k.
This video itself looks pretty retro after 8 years :D
Tmnt turtles in time is one of those few games that are actually better than the arcade versions. Think about it, easier to play, bonus levels, this game on snes is better than the arcade version. I dont miss the extra animations from the arcade at all.
The combat is better, but graphics/sound/presentation was quite inferior, also not as chaotic as the 4 players arcade with 8+ enemies on screen. Turtles in Time is just a party game for me, so i prefer the arcade
Nah. The arcade is usually far superior than any home port and this is no different. Much better graphics and animation sound correct boss placement better 3D, presentation, 4 players and way more enemies on screen.
You also miss out on the catchy vocal song on the Arcade that was sorely missed on SNES.
Agreed. The SNES is way better than the Arcade version. The Arcade version was just a quarter muncher. The SNES version was actually fair, playable, and more fun because of it. Better graphics and animations doesn’t make a game better. Gameplay does, and SNES has it over the Arcade, IMO
The classic Console Wars are the best! Especially at full 360p!
I feel sorry for people that were stuck with Hyper stone heist as a kid and now here years later they're trying to defend it and even compare it to the legendary Turtles In Time. Ah Nostalgia can warp minds.
I feel sorry for your parents
There's no need to feel sorry. Both were (still are) fantastic beat 'em ups.
Hyperstone heist is still awesome
Definitely!
It may be even better than turtles in time and it is not a copy of the arcade
Xu An Lim Woah lets not get carried away. lol.
Ok but I still think hyperstone heist is better
Xu An Lim no u dont. its no comparison. Hh was a good game but it doesnt compare
12 years old so worth h seeing it again
Michelangelo has always been my most favorite Ninja Turtle of all time, and he can actually kick butt in both games as well, especially since his attacks can deal out more damage even though they are a bit slower to execute.
Also, the 64 gave us Ocarina of Time, Mariokart, Banjo Kazooie, Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Majora's Mask, Super Smash Bros and Paper Mario.
The GCN gave us Windwaker, Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2, F-Zero GX (easily the fastest racing game ever) and Super Smash Bros. Melee (one of the most competitive fighting games of all time).
Hell, the Gameboy after 1996 gave us Pokemon, Golden Sun, Phoenix Wright, and EBA to name a few...
I always though the Sega genesis version had better graphics to be honest,but I enjoyed both version back in the day. The genesis version was faster and played smoother,but the super nes version had a number of things missing in the genesis version. I love both and have the super nes version,but the genesis version is extremely expensive for some reason.
The animation is way better on hyperstone heist SNES turtles in time feels so damn stiffed
best band ever. thats a pic my friend painted for me. its properly framed and on a wall now.
I genuinely find the Genesis music in Konami games to be better (or at least more enjoyable) than their SNES counterparts. Konami was way into those orchestra hits, which work well to accent the music, but not as part of the main melody, which they'd often do in their SNES games. Also, the staccato and abrupt 1/8 notes Konami used in the soundtrack of Turtles in time for tare jarring. That said, you really can't go wrong with either soundtrack.
I remember Hyperstone Heist being THE FIRST BEAT EM UP I EVER BEAT and one of if not my favorite Sega game! I was like 10 and my Dad helped me. I used Donatello and my Dad used Leo. When we beat Shredder my sister was watching and I remember it Was A FAMILY CELEBRATION! lol. One of my favorite video game memories Ever! HYPERSTONE HEIST 4 EVER! SCREW TURTLES IN TIME!!!
Same game. Besides, Streets of Rage 2 trumps Hyperstone any day, as that beat 'em up DOMINATED the Genesis, not to mention the genre itself. Of course, I think you would agree if it wasn't for Final Fight or Double Dragon, there wouldn't be beat 'em ups, let alone any Turtles games to boot, and we'd be stuck with the crappy NES game, and that... would be a horrific thought, in and of itself.
Still, Hyperstone is the same as Turtles in Time.
The only reason Nintendo won is he compared the few aspects that made it look like hyperstone heist was a rip-off Nintendo's game is not that faithful because it added stuff that wasn't in the arcade game sure debatably that could have just made it better but still
@@nicolewhite3157 yeah this is straight up goddamn bullshit, Super Nintendo version is superior because of the soundtrack alone because the Genesis cannot touch the sound quality of the Super Nintendo at least in this game
You guys should do an episode where Dan goes back in time to when the production values were still really rudimentary, the writing was loose like this, and Greg still played Nintendo. It would be like in Space Quest IV when Roger Wilco went back to Space Quest II and it was all CGA graphics and PC Speaker sound.
Man, 11 years later, and this is still an awesome intro!!
I can name many companies Sega included I wish could have stayed around instead of ending up with Sony and Microsoft. I know my opinion is not popular but it is still mine. The games I enjoy are becoming more and more scarce well the new ones at least.
The acting is very bad in this episode and that's what makes it fun!
You guys have grown so mutch in the last two years, it's amazing! Watching old episodes again with this in mind makes it extra fun to see them again.
Please stay in the SNES vs Genesis setting instead of going into other console generations. SNES vs Genesis was the biggest console war ever and it's the heart of the show!
I'll hope to see an episode of Flashback or Out of this world in the near future.
Keep the 16-bit SNES vs Genesis war alive!!
This video deserves a remaster/reshoot!
Because of the Cowabunga Collection, right?
@@turbobist2889 you could consider that factor... But my answer was 2 months ago... So it was more random because of the lesser quality of old video...
The channel really should be more than a million subs. It pisses me off to no end that you aren’t more successful. You all deserve it. Also, wow your production values came a long way! Still a great video though
Thank you!
Absolutely agree. Not enough screaming profanity like an edgy 12 year old and being "angry" for most people I guess.
I have & enjoy both games.
TMNT: The HyperStone Heist actually has some elements from the original Arcade game.
-The sewer areas in level 1 (the design looks similar to the 2nd area of level 2 of the 1st Arcade game)
-Rocksteady
-Dr. Baxter Stockman as a human riding in that hover device releasing Mousers
-A car that pulls out & tries to run you over in the street area of level 1
-The portal to Dimension X that Krang comes out of, but I kind of think Krang in TMNT: The HyperStone Heist is a combination of both the original Arcade game & Turtles in Time
Because of those, I said that the Sega Genesis could've easily gotten a 16-bit version/port of the 1st Arcade game & it would've looked great.
Did I miss anything?
It's cool that TMNT: The HyperStone Heist has a boss like Master Tatsu & the Shredder's Hideout level (both missing from TMNT: Turtles in Time), but Turtles in Time (on Super Nintendo at least) has Slash & even Tokka & Rahzar as well as futuristic levels.
Overall, I prefer TMNT: Turtles in Time more, mainly because it's longer.
It just sucks that neither game comes equipped with a 4 player mode.
I know Super Nintendo had a multi-tap, but I don't know if Sega Genesis did.
i wish sega had gotten konami to port the first arcade game, but i bet there was a conflict of interest from nintendo, who had tmnt II: the arcade game (8-bit port of the 1989 arcade game) as an exclusive. to my knowledge, games had to be on the nes two years before they could be ported/made available on any other console. stupid nintendo.
Of course it had a multi, the Team Player! For Genny and CD!
Had the game been developed on Genesis 1st it probably would have been four players. The nintendo usual had trouble with too many characters on screen.
It's not even 2012 and I've started bing watching your videos, great stuff like always and worth waiting for 14:12. Sega!
How did you rate your homemade pizza? Was it a 5 out of 10 or 7? Yes, it was nearly 12 years ago. If you recall it's taste
In my mind I often come back to the pizza song when I prepare pizza at home.
You guys have to cover Tournament Fighter
David Brailsford Agreed.
genesis version controls sucks ,
@@alubaldini it lost they did seven months ago
I Want pizza !
I have huge nostalgia for Turtles in TIme and only today got Hyperstone Heist, and I have to say I think there is an argument to be made for Hyperstone beating Turtles in Time in gameplay. I feel like the sega version is faster which I really like and the dash button makes a huge difference imo. That said, Turtles in Time is definitely better imo (and yours), but the sega version is a much closer contender than I would have thought. Glad they made the genesis one different so it's worth owning both.
Sega version plays MUCH better imo. much more responsive, though the levels are arguably better in turtles in time.
@Torgo Gorgo. Yeh you're right, they're both worth owning.
Different games, both awesome.
Sega version is good also in its own way but I think SNES plays better in my opinion it's like the arcade version
Best Turtle game was NEITHER of these two! It was TMNT Manhatten project!
That game is just a reskin of the first arcade game, just so you know.
THE OFFICIAL TBONE2004 No but it's better!
I've never heard a song more fundamentally true and beautiful than "Pizza Time"
Lol I just discovered you guys about a week ago but seeing how far you've came and for how long, that's awesome. Congratulations you guys.
Thank italians for the sacred Pizza.
This comparison ignored some things. For example, The turtles have more color detail on their shells on the Genesis. Also, the music sounds closer to the arcade version of TIT.
It should be noted the SNES version isn't a direct port of the arcade game. It added a level (technodrome) several bosses from the cartoon (rat king, Rocksteady and Bebop, Slash the Turtle) heavy use of the mode 7 system to do the revamped hoverboard level in the future and the screen-tossing ability, and it allowed you to do the screen toss and the back and forth slam attack at-will using button commands rather than simply randomly (and they had an effect on the game cause they gave more kill points than a normal kill, so more extra lives earned if you got good at them).
I love hyperstone heist. Some things about it I like more than Turtles in Time. But the lack of on demand special attacks (meaning you just hit stuff over and over with less strategy) and the tinny sound to the music and sound effects (especially hit sounds) on the genesis lead me to favor Turtles in Time.
Hyperstone Heist: A t t a c k s
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Combo Attack: Hammer the A button and your turtle of choice will perform a
combo of sorts. You will hit the enemy a couple of times with
your weapon, before knocking the enemy to the floor, usually
killing them. Though this is the most basic attack, it is also
the most effective.
Rising Kick: Press B and quickly press A and you will perform a rising kick.
This isn't a particularly strong attack, but it is good for
knocking enemies to the ground so that you can concentrate on
others. Use this when surrounded by big crowds of enemies because
you can't easily be hit whilst performing it.
Flying Kick: Similar to the Rising Kick, jump and press A a little later. The
turtle will shoot straight to the ground and perform a flying
kick. This is performed a lot quicker than the Rising Kick,
though it isn't particularly powerful.
Charge : Press C and either left or right to make your turtle run. Press
A and the turtle will shoulder charge an enemy. Though you may
think this is a powerful attack, it really isn't. My advice is to
avoid using it, because it is of little use.
Front Flip : Press C and start running. Press B and your turtle will perform
a front flip. Use this to evade large groups of enemies. This is
an okay move, but the flying or rising kicks are better options.
Special : Press A and B together and your turtle will perform their special
attack. This is a strong move, usually killing your foe in one or
two hits. However, there is a major drawback to this attack.
Every time you attack an enemy, a few bars of your own health
will be depleted. Use a few of these in quick succession and your
health will soon be drained. For this reason I would advise that
you avoid this technique at all cost.
Smash : The smash attack is one you won't use very often. If you hit an
enemy once, then move close to them and press A again, sometimes
you will perform the smash. When this happens the enemy will
stick to the end of your weapon while you smash them back and
forth, side to side. Any other enemies that are in the way will
be harmed by this. However, you should avoid doing this while
you are near Purples and Oranges as you can easily be harmed by
either projectile attacks.
I agree with all of what you say except the when you say Hyper Stone Heist involves less Strategy. I think Hyper Stone Heist plays smoother than Turtles in Time. The turtles are more responsive and they move faster. Hyper Stone Heist is harder than Turtles in Time. The CPU is a little more aggressive and you have to use more strategy to beat the bosses because their moves seem to have better priority and you are punished for your mistakes more because the CPU seems to have more diverse Attack Patterns with their various of moves. I felt that in Turtles in time for most of the bosses you could get away with wailing on them and I had to think less about the things I did in a boss fight than in Hyperstone Heist. Because of all of this I think the stat advantages and diss advantages of the turtles are more crucial and meaningful when selecting them, meaning Raph being most fast but weaker, Don being slower and having larger reach and Leo and Mike being middle ground Turtles with their idiosyncrasies are more meaningful in Hyper Stone Heist than in Turtles in Time.
So after some replies, it seems to be apparently preference.
@@DerekMoore82 I believe ALL of these are also available on the SNES. You can also do a front handspring across the whole screen on the SNES. Not sure if that also applies on the Sega. Again. You can also throw enemies off screen.
i love sega genesis but turtles in time is superior
hyper stone heist was more of a port of turtles in time....in my opinion. but everybody wins cause everyone got a turtle game.
10 years old and still my Favorite episode
I used to play this co-op with my cousin growing up, such an awesome game.
Both of these games are great. Turtles in Time is based off the arcade machine with a few exclusive levels for SNES, Hyperstone Heist is based off the SNES version. Both games are not ripoffs of the other because they were both made by Konami. Both games are as good as Konami wanted to make them. Bottom line, Play them both. I personally like them both so both win. Debate over. BOYAKASHA!
The SNES definitely won all round here. Of course the arcade was the best and it had 4 players but as a port it was definitely the best until the MAME on a Disks scene came out on the PS, PS2, PS3 and PS4 and all the other systems powerful enough to have MAME on a Disk ports from the era.
I love how ya'll were cracking each other up in this video! LOL! Good fun.
I didn't even know this game existed when I was a child although I was a huge turtles fan. Too bad I would have bought a Mega Drive instead of the Atari Lynx only for his, instead I bought it in early 1995 when its better days were already behind
...... PIZZA IN OUR HEARTS TODAY~EEE!
If the snes didn’t lose so much content I may have to agree. Yeah it added levels too. I loved them both but honestly I liked the sega one a bit more because I had already beat the arcade game numerous times and it was so much more refreshing to have the same great gameplay around a new game. This is a great example of owning both is better than picking one.
How did I never hear about this channel? Awesome idea and love the videos! I'm getting my binge on catching up.
Welcome to the channel! Plenty of videos for you to catch up on
The end where you made the snes a robot head was just hilarious 😂
360p masterpeice
Sega version for the head-banging soundtrack!
Tip: If you make tortillas pizzas, it is best to pre-cook the shells for 10-15 before adding sauce/toppings. That way they aren't flimsy when you go to eat it.
Turtles in Time is superior in many ways to Hyperstone Heist, but the Hyperstone Heist music is much better, but I agree that the sound effects are really better in Turtles in Time.
Disagree, it beats Hyperstone Heist in sound department too.
Yeah Hyperstone Heist has kickass music, SNES version sounds nice but kinda flat/cut compared to the arcade or genesis version.
Jerry Smith
Hyperstone Heist was amazing on sound
@@Maru96 Yeah, the SNES version sounds very flat and many instrument voices are low grade. The Hyperstone soundtrack has aged better, uses bright FM synth more closely resembling Konami's arcade tunes, has a superior stereo mix, and uses surprisingly decent and punchy drum samples.
@@187Wretched Music is better on sega but sound effects goes to super nintendo
I know I'm 2 years late, but it isn't Sega or Nintendo that made these games, it's Konami.
I would give gameplay to Genesis. The dash button being assigned to C helps a lot more than you might think. I find it gives more control and makes it quicker/easier to perform dash attacks, which are the three most useful attacks to pull off. You can do them in the SNES, but not quite as easily as the Genesis. Throwing enemies into the screen is a) kind of random(ish) and b) only has use for one screen in the game. The extra dash control is useful for every single screen except maybe bosses. Other than that, SNES beats Genesis all day, if only bc of it being an arcade port
The "Pizza Time" song was awesome. Lol Great job, guys. I can't believe this was your second video. :O
I like the fact that the Sega game is it's own game and not just a port of arcade game.
You should put all the songs you write for the episodes in their own video.... They just freaking awesome, specially the ones in the ghost and ghouls video XD
+nabueso81 Maybe one day.
The Genesis version just needed more bosses. Sunset riders had the same problem
Wow this match is really a classic. I feel in nineties again. Amazing
How many times do I have to watch again?
You guys should do the TMNT tournament fighter for each console
They did that like in 2020
Fuckin' Pizza Song...ROFL!!!....And the SNES "talking" at the end! xD I love you guys! I own both of these games, and I love them about the same, but yeah, Turtles in Time is definitely the better overall game, for sure.
Did not expect to see you here.
I love both games equally since they each offer something new for the player that's a fan of the characters.
I'd say it's a tie. SNES has better graphics because of more colors, but the music is EXTREMELY better on the Genesis and I also found the sound effects better on Genesis. Voices are average on both.
While I agree with most of your assessments, Genesis had a more satisfying difficulty, and the inclusion of the dash button was very, very important. I would give gameplay to the Genesis version despite the SNES version's different modes.
For those who just watched some ignorant videos like " AVGN Snes vs Genesis" this information: contrary to popular belief Genesis is more powerfull then Snes. It has a processor that runs 7.6 MhZ while Snes's processor runs 3.6 Mhz. So it's faster more then twice. Genesis also can handle much more sprites - so it can show better visual effects and can show more stuff on the screen at once. It has more bandwith DMA (capable of better animation), faster overall cpu resource. Now U got it?
I love pizza just because of teenage mutant ninja turtles, :-)
i like to come back to this video every so often, and this time to say, i tried the make your own pizza mode, and it came out pretty good. even listened to the song making it.
tmnt: tournament fighters and battletoads & double dragon: the ultimate team
Turtles in Time is by far the best TMNT game.
Indeed
i'm dying at the "create your own pizza" mode
Raichulegend then read the damn instructions: always put it on 180c, anything warmer will burn
arie brons What you did there, I see it.
nes vs sms would be great too, even game gear vs gameboy
I heard that Konami had an exclusivity deal with Nintendo to port Turtles In Time. Hyperstone Heist was Konami's way of circumventing the deal. They took out the time travel theme and made other tweaks in order to bring some form of Turtles in Time to the Genesis.
wow 2012.. this is the earliest Console Wars I've seen!
This is episode 2. There is an earlier one. A 2011 video!
"Like Marty McFly before he got tourettes" heehee
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time, clean sweeped all four categories.
Mario: "First win for Nintendo, wahoo!"
Michelangelo: "Cowabunga!"
The Hyperstone Heist has nothing original to it. Its just a big mash up, made out of levels from previous Turtles games like Turtles 2 ( the original Arcade Game), Turtles 3 and Turtles in Time.
9 years that I follow you and still as good. :)
Kisses from France. :)
Turtles in Time arcade version... The animation in that game.. Whoa Lordy!!! SNES is not a faithful conversion neither is Sega. Contrary to popular belief.. The hyper stone heist does a few small things from the arcade that SNES actually misses. Still I love both to death
Actually the megadrive version was due to licensing and Nintendo being gits with Konami making a contract saying exclusive only. So they did the hyper stone heist to negate this.
That pizza looks delicious.
"A space vortex. That's the best kind of vortex." lol So true.
"Everyone knows who is the best Ninja Turtle"
"Who?"
"Michael Angelo"
-Shredder,Casey Jones,Greg and Dan-TNMT Tournament Fighter
I agree with you on the first matter.However, what you call miracle i call skillfully programing. Altought in most ports of the exact game for both consoles, the sound for snes is better(especially since capcom and probe never did a great job with the sound chip for MD), when you look at the music made by guys like Yuzo Koshiro, Tommy Tallarico, Jesper Kyd, Tokuhiko Uwabo and Hitoshi Sakamoto, the history changes a bit.I personally love the heavy drums and bass for the MD.
You guys are awesome and yes I know this is an old vid with the old SNES bro
10 damn years now still pretty "clucking" awesome!!
LET'S KICK SHELL! IF i had to pick one version of Turtles in time. I would pick the SNES version over the Xbox arcade remake even I MISS THE ORIGINAL SEWER SURFIN MUSIC!
Love going back and watching these old vids of you guys. That said, I agree Tint has the edge but only slightly. Hyperstone imo has the better sound and gameplay, run button makes ALOT of difference in how agile you can be on command( dont you dare tell me to just double tap forward, its not reliable and you know it). Also the shared tracks are sped up on genesis giving the tunes a more hard rock edge, simply put the songs sounded better on genesis this isnt even a debate imo. Its a polished and streamlined experience that gets right to the point with 5 stages split in 2 parts. TINT has more content and is far more experimental with its mode 7 (this leads to some cheap deaths though, and that shredder fight feels tacky and forced and serves only as a graphical flex). Both are easy to just pick up and play and on their own are the the best beat em ups on their respective systems.
You guys had entirely too much fun with this. XD Nice one.
0:50 the background music is a chip tube version of the awesome pizza power song from the out of their shells tour! Nice!
I swear console Wars every time I watch the Turtles episode I got to have pizza and I'm eating one right now
I would actually have to give the sound to Sega partly because it’s closer to sounding like the arcade.
Still Streets of Rage 2 is the better beat em up than both of them :P
Nope
I'm a little disappointed that they didn't show any gameplay in comic mode for Hyperstone Heist. It showcases all the turtles different colors which I think makes it very distinct.
Urethra Franklin that mode is also on snes
wow this episode is so bad, glad to see you guys progressed in your more recent ones