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It has been a while, hasn't it? But I have finally finished the Eggman character analysis. Eggman was a brilliant villain and whenever I saw him in games like adventure 2, Heroes and the classics when I was a kid, It was a joy. But over the years, his character has morphed from the brilliant, cunning villain into a joke for the sake of a joke and nothing more. But I think I'm saying a bit too much. I hope that you enjoy the video!
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Thank you all so much for the patience and I hope you enjoyed the video:)
So, what are your thoughts on Eggman as a character. Do you agree with my thoughts? Disagree? Let me know in the comments below and I will do my best to respond to all of them.
Yo love ur vids bro
you should do a video on how metal sonic as a charcter was ruined post sonic heros (and how IDW did a great job at giving him a badass arc and maintinaing some of his charcter after)
Make a video on luffy from one piece
@@moosesues8887 When it comes to one piece, I'm slowly collecting the manga so I have only read up to volume 21. I have seen a few things past that, but I feel like I would need to read more in order to do a accurate character analysis.
8:32 Eggman piss on mooon 😂
Eggman is probably the smartest and dumbest character in the series.
It’s both frustrating and hilarious to watch characters that are as flawed as they are brilliant. Makes for some compelling entertainment.
He literally said snooPINGAS Always
@@thesonicadventureartstylei9679 snooPINGAS usual*
@@falseseto3892 The Brain (Pinky and The Brain), Sheldon Cooper (The Big Bang Theory), Sheldon Plankton (SpongeBob), Wile E Coyote (Looney Tunes), etc.
@@runningoncylinders3829 I just realized that Eggman and Plankton are actually similar asf, they both just want to take over the world, only difference being that Plankton wants the secret formula from the Krusty Krab.
When Eggman has his respectful send-off to Sonic, if you quit you can listen to his inner thoughts on having finally beaten Sonic. Which reveals he was playing up the respect while basically celebrating himself on the inside.
Yeah
What do you mean if you quit, as in, if you pause and quit during the cutscene?
Yah what the hell does this mean? Can you give us a video of it
@@occidere5792 th-cam.com/video/_c0NQ3xyfT0/w-d-xo.html go to 9:00
@@IGSA101 oh wow damn, now that’s detail
This is the villain who pissed on the moon, he deserves respect.
Exactly
@@thepjshownot
@@Thewaffle-nj5jctf you mean not? He pissed on the moon
F U MOON YOU NEVER HAD THE CHEESE I WANTED
@@flopndrop pft, hero story fan.
I love how he was handled in the movies. He was funny, but not treated like a joke. He’s a genuine threat
He was just awful in the movies
@@agreedboarart3188No.
@@agreedboarart3188awful as in he’s an awful person or awfully handled?
@@Fideothedog2021pretty sure they meant awfully handled cus he was funny in the movies, but they didn’t really make him as threatening as we should see him
He came back from completely different dimension using Sonic's quill. As far as I know other dimensions weren't known to humans before and Dr. Robotnic casually opens portal to Earth
You can only have a villain suffer abject failure so many times before they become a joke. Word of advice to any future gamemakers, let the villain win sometimes, or at least throw in some stalemates and pyrrhic victories.
This is the problem with villains who prefer the direct approach compared to the villains who rarely do the fighting themselves. These villains in the 2nd Category are so powerful they may not see the heroes as worth their effort & simply let their underlings do the fighting & when they appear they always seem to have the advantage or else they vanish back to the darkness they came from. Sometimes the identity of the villain is a plot twist requiring they keep their identity secret.
Or have multiple villains.
@@Certamaniac Alternately, make eggman effective against the other villains even when Sonic struggles against them. Possibly even aiding Sonic, who could never defeat them on his own.
Not out of any goodness mind you. But simple, sheer, unadulterated, ego that only he can be allowed to defeat the hedgehog.
Agreed, you only need to replace the villain. Unless you pull a Lost World.
Make a game where you win until you don't?
Eggman is the reason why 'Intelligence' and 'Wisdom' are two different stats in D&D, and real life.
My understanding is intelligence is having knowledge and wisdom is knowing how to apply that knowledge. Similar foundations, but you're absolutely correct that they're inherently distinct from one another.
@@zachj7953 i have high intelligent but low wisdom
@@arcticflames6932 *press x to doubt*
O, to be both smart and wise
Ah yes, because D&D invented the concept of intelligence and wisdom
His peak definitely was when he pissed on the moon
I did like most of Eggman's threat to the Zeti. It was like he got absolutely _tired_ of being treated as a joke, and his narcissism finally made him go, "I will literally devour you while you are alive and screaming you pompous wretch", and hell, him actually breaking that wall is intimidating as fuck, and helps remind that _he regularly works on robots including moving them to stations._ Lifting weights that would make some strong men blush
He just needed to maintain his cohesive, smarmy speech patterns when punching the wall
Eggman is super human. it just does not stand out because he is less super human than Sonic and friends.
Well I mean the dude is round like he lifts heavyweight and then drops them soooo deadlifter extreme
I feel like Eggman in the Sonic Movie is a great step in the right direction. Sure he’s extremely comical, but there were multiple scenes where he’s dealt with people who underestimate him. (Yeeting the biker, the bully drinking out of a straw story, even won some matches against Sonic)
He’s what “Boost-Era” Eggman tried to be.
Yeah. He was a bit more comedic, but he was very threatening and assertive. He was also very narcissistic and believed that he was truly above all other humans and that humans were worthless when compared to his robots. Above all, they managed to balance the tones with his character, unlike the Eggman in Lost World. Overall, it is a solid interpretation on the character and I can't wait to see what they do with him.
Not to mention that even when he was defeated and exiled to another planet, he immediately was like "well, time to invent my way back to earth"
There was zero defeatism, he believes he can do it and thus he will
@LeGameHen I really hope Jim Carrey doesn't retire before doing Sonic 3 and as a swan song to his career and an ending to this LA adaptation of Eggman gets an emotional/sober ending like that of SA2.
not to mention he seemingly wiped out an entire country
@@Thunder-Sky If nothing else, Eggman is brimming with self-confidence.
I always agrees with your characters analysis . However , for Eggman being scared of Metal Sonic , i think it’s because he is the one who build it and in Heroes , he knows that he has absorbed the datas and how invincible he really is .
Right in-character, too.
"How can something I've built MYSELF, the greatest genius there is, be defeated?"
"I realize now exactly what it is I have created. What the hell was I thinking making something this powerful that I cannot control?"
I think it’s also more of like he doesn’t have anything on hand to attack Metal Sonic with. It’s not like Adventure where Chaos attacked Eggman and left so Eggman had time to get the Egg Carrier and attack no Metal Sonic is in his face and he has no machines, no weapons, his army is running away so what could he do? I do think he was a bit *too* scared but I can understand him accepting defeat at that moment.
@@AHappyBlackGuy You know, Forces makes it look like Eggman never learns from his mistakes, but something tells me that in Heroes, he DID learn with his short scuffle with Perfect Chaos
the electric bill
I think the Sonic movies gave eggman his credibility back (and the same for knuckles) yeah he’s a bit comedic for a threatening villain but still i think Eggman discovering a way to power his machines with sonic’s speed from his hair quill is a genius move which pays off considering nothing of the sort has been done before in the games
(Unless you want to include Eggman escaping Sonic in the sonic3&K final boss where the only explanation really is he used one of the speed shoes power up boxes)
As many chao garden fans of Adventure 2 can confirm Eggman can run very fast.
A major problem with recurring villains like Bowser and Eggman is a thing called villain decay. They're at their most menacing in their first outing as a villain, and to preserve that, subsequent entries need to either scale up the evil by making them do more evil things, strike the hero where it hurts, like killing a loved one or destroying their passion project, or let the villain win. Otherwise, the villain will lose some of their threat because we've dealt with them before, and after said villain has been defeated tens of times, it's really hard to keep them feeling like a true villain. The logical extreme of this is Team Rocket, which Eggman as fallen to a couple times in the past, namely in the Boom TV series, where they're less "villain" and more "minor inconvenience."
If this keeps happening Eggman will become king dedeade where he just not a major threat and being overshadowed by another new and threatening villain.
@@Darknova591at least Dedede had a proper send off as a villain in the Super Star Ultra Revenge of the King side story where he gives it his all and more but it's still not enough so he gives up. He went from a villain to somewhat of a rival to a friend.
I doubt other villains like Egmman would receive similar treatment if that were the case
I mean Bowser does beat Mario quite often in the beginning of the games:
Paper Mario he outright wins at the start.
Mario Sunshine his son gets him jailed
Mario Galaxy he steals Peaches Castle while Mario is there
Mario Oddysey he beats Mario in a 1v1
Mario Bros U, 3D World and Wonder, he has a confrontation with Mario there at the start of the game, and gets rid of him.
Bowser is seen as a joke because of a mix of speedrunners annihilating him stupidly fast (Especially in Mario Bros 1/3 and Mario 64), and the Mario + Luigi RPG games taking every chance to dunk on him.
I always liked Bowser. I always thought he was a cool villain with cool designs. However, Bowser's Fury was the first time I was scared of Bowser.
@@cleomi8696Eggman is kinda in between Dedede and Bowser is some regards,Sure He hates Sonic,But He has Formidable Respect on Sonic,As stated In Sonic Frontiers.
While Dedede has fully Respect Kirby,Bowser didn’t even Respect Mario in a Slightest
Fun fact:
In the Fleetway comics, whenever his badniks failed to capture Sonic, they will be forced to jump in this pit of lava and it will turn them into new robots and we all know that there are animals still trapped in the badniks so he basically killed more than hundreds of animals.
More like sad fact because of the animals
@@jcharmaine1 fun fact, no real animal was hurt by making the fleetway comics.
@@Alottapenisjokes ok
He isnt that cruel, I know that for a fact
The animal help with the robot function so they should be safe inside it.
I always hated Eggman’s portrayal in Unleashed. You have the opening cutscene where he outsmarts and defeats Sonic in his Super form no less and it’s like “Oh shit Eggman did it! And he sent Sonic to his death and split the world apart he really means business this time.” Then you see him in the Africa continent and nobody is afraid of him and a goddamn child throws a rock at him, hits him and even his robot is laughing at him. Then in the ending cutscene where he tries to kick Orbot and misses and lands on his ass like a loser. Like why would I take this guy seriously when literally no one not even the game does?
I honestly agree with this sentiment. You can't flip-flop with how intimidating you want a villain to be like that. If you want to have him serious and funny, use humour that won't degrade him as a threat.
@@prosecutorwalton he played to Sonic’s overconfidence there, and Orbot did bring up Eggman discarded the Chaos Emeralds along with Sonic.
Me who only have sonic unleased and never beating it, but still knows how bad eggman was in it.
😂
@@gabrielarrhenius6252 probably one of the reasons it became underated
So much shit caused the good parts being overlooked
What these character retrospectives have taught me is that MANY writers either underestimate these characters or just don’t know what to do with them, they have a fine line to walk across, like Sonic he can be cocky, but not to the point where he’s an asshole, Knuckles is deceivable, but not to the point where he’s an idiot, Tails relies on his pals a bit, but not to the extent where he can’t do anything without Sonic holding his hand, and Eggman has a goofy kind of charm, but not to the extent where it’s basically his whole thing and gets overtaken by the fact he’s still a disastrous villain, i’m happy that Ian Flynn is writing Frontiers as what i have seen of his work implies he knows how to tightrope across that line for these characters and their writing to an extent, and i know Frontiers looks VERY shaky but i do expect at least a better written cast than what we have been getting these past years for these characters…
Especially considering the fact that Ian knows these characters' personalities, atleast to the extent that SEGA allows him to.
Good News frontiers was one of the Best sonic games
The writers make the characters pal
I was unreasonably pissed off by Kunckles’s line “normally I’d just laugh at an Eggman plan” in Sonic Forces because of how painfully unfaithful to the characters they’ve become. Eggman has never just been a joke to them, and for them to try implying that’s always been the case is so disheartening.
"Unreasonably"
And why would it not be reasonable?
@@fanofyoshi2238maybe they meant unbelievably XD
@@trinis8726 Plausible XD
I personally prefer Eggman being a balance of both serious & comedic.
Like Aku from "Samurai Jack," Mojo Jojo from "The Powerpuff Girls," Hades from "Hercules," and most Power Rangers villains.
So live action Robotnik. ;)
Or plankton
And Ice King from the early season of Adventure Time.
Right
@@hariman7727 yeah, I just watched the movie, and it's imo one of the best robotnik.
basically rick sanchez but with robots.
8:25 I remember that situation being a little different. It was something about Shadow, Eggman's wife, and Obama.
Lol.
XD
SUPER LAZER PISS
Man......
I just realized, Raiden from MGRR would hate Eggman, he's basically doing what PMCs are doing in Metal Gear universe and he hates Obama.
Alfred Coleman saved Dr. Robotnik
Honestly the IDW comic moment where he completely stomps Starline in a fight and then manually, hand-to-hand smashes him into the floor is probably my favorite Eggman moment since Adventure 2
Yeah, that was great!
And in what is essentially an outdated mech compared to what Starline was using as Eggman used the Egg emperor and Starline used the final boss of Lost World
Yeah it also showed that he was always planning even when it seemed he wasn't paying attention. He is way smarter and more cunning than he often seems even in his silly moments
I like the idea of Eggman being somehow a joke...
After all of the godlike creatures that he saw, and were obviously more of a threat than him, he probably just realised how he cant barely compare
And Then You Rewatch The Video Again And Then "Oh Right Eggman Is A Huge Narcissist."
Except he does compare. He made Metal Sonic.
@@slavishentity6705 not exactly. Metal sonic is just bad future sonic. Eggman never really *made* him.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702then….who made metal?
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 debunkable
13:06 I love how even though Tails responds with some cheesy “we all did it together” thing that doesn’t really relate to the conversation, Eggman just tells him that he’s right. He doesn’t want to make Tails feel bad in a somber moment of grief, and he doesn’t want to upset the people surrounding him, the only people who care about him.
Honestly that moment made me feel like tails was his son or something, just felt wholesome.
I'm pretty sure it's implied that eggman has respect for tales as a fellow inventor, but that tails is just really young, inexperienced, and niave. Perhaps maybe like eggman was.
@@sethbudrik8906
They’re kindred spirits. I mean, did you hear how he spoke of his grandfather? And how it tore him up inside when he discovered the depths to which Gerald fell in his grief?
@@sethbudrik8906 Uh oh...Is THAT why Tails was like the way he was in Chaos World?
I never did get that. Yeah, Gerald wasn't exactly a saint, but Eggman literally blew up half the moon to make a statement and was ready to go through with using the Eclipse cannon on Earth. I get that he'd rather rule the world than destroy it, but the dude doesn't really have any room to talk.
We can all agree the best voice actor for Eggman is Alfred Coleman
I miss my wife,Tails
I miss her a lot. I'll be back.
i've come to make an announcement
MY FUNYUN RINGS, I AM TAKING THEM BACK!
thats a fact
In defense of Heroes, I can see Eggman thinking all hope is lost when one of his perfect creations runs amok, especially when it took over his entire army at that point. He thought he could control Chaos because he doesn't respect anyone but himself, but he assumed Metal Sonic invincible because anything made by himself HAS to be good.
I actually like the sophistication of Eggman in 2006, since his ensemble ever since Adventure looks like he thinks himself elegant and not JUST a kid having the time of his life, but I can see how his robots this time around are oddly restrained from his trademark style. He's still a pompous genius throwing himself a party and he's still a threat (even reliving his gambit on the Ark by manipulating Sonic's emotions to get the Chaos Emerald in his Fake Solaris scene), but I see why others thought he was too plain and that it would have been cool for him to do something more proactive in the finale (though, he didn't have any machines with him, so it doesn't feel entirely out of character for him).
The ending scene of Sonic Adventure 2 where Robotnik reflects on how much he loved and respected his grandfather as a child, but also the horror that same man unleashed, might be my favorite scene in the entire series. I may be baised, since as a Nintendo kid in my youth, playing Sonic Adventure 2 during my teen years was my first real exposure to the series (though I also grabbed the Gamecube version of Mega Collection afterward) but I also adore Adventure 2's take on him. From that bit of human introspection on something nobody could help but feel strongly about, to the calculating and ruthless presence he has while explaining the plan to snatch the Chaos Emerald off Prison Island and blow it up (and the sheer confidence they can do it when he wraps with "We only have 30 minutes to pull this off, and we only get one try!"), it's just such a good depiction. Adventure 2 gives him a grandiosity that I feel no other game really captured, even Adventure 1, such that if he didn't have such thoroughly immoral goals, you'd almost want to root for the guy.
Sonic Adventure 2 is probably the only Sonic game I've ever properly completed, and yeah... from what all I've seen it's definitely one of the best narrative-wise. Nothing I've seen from other games really has compared (though I haven't seen much of anything from frontiers).
...granted, that's also nostalgia talking lol
@@RazielSoulshadow part of that is that, at the time, there was a very real chance that Adventure 2 was going to be the last Sonic game.
Because of that, they paid more attention to character arcs without worrying about leaving an in for the next game.
Dr Eggman is basically the Dr Neo Cortex of Sonic the hedgehog now with the main difference being the fact that Cortex is a little more pathetic and we actually kinda like how pathetic he is
Now that I think about it, Crash does feel like a cartoonier version of Sonic
@@jamiegioca9448 and it was originally called Sonic’s ass game
Last time Eggman did something dangerous was Forces and he did try to attemp to kill Sonic in Generations and was close unlike Cortex who barely came close to killing Crash even in About Time.
And they both have my two favorite voice actors: Mike Pollock and Lex Lang.
@@yourlocalcashregister1123 yep
Playing devil’s advocate for a second, I think the main reason Eggman was having such a negative and defeatist attitude in the face of Metal Sonic in Sonic Heroes was the fact that EGGMAN CREATED HIM!
In the previous games, whenever he was betrayed or inconvenienced by Chaos, Shadow, Rouge or the Space Colony ARK itself, he was content in the knowledge that since they weren’t his creations, he could always devise a counter strategy or robotic creation to come out on top.
But Metal Sonic was HIS creation. Eggman made Metal Sonic to be the perfect robot to destroy Sonic and his friends.
Especially when Metal Sonic copied the life form data of Sonic, Shadow and just about everyone else that could be considered a potential threat.
Then transforming into a giant Metal Overlord, Eggman knew he couldn’t create something to beat it. Or at the very least, not create something fast enough to prevent Metal Sonic from killing him.
At that point, it’s hard to determine if Eggman should be the type of narcissist to believe his creations are perfect and are above reproach, or if he should be the type of narcissist to think he can top himself and his robotic creations.
I could be wrong though.
Not to mention Metal Sonic had copied Eggman's own bio-data, he had essentially achieved Eggman's mind. Anything that could possibly be planned by Eggman couldve been counter planned by Metal. So Eggman needed something he has only lost to...Sonic/Super Sonic.
@@Brucifer2 True, true. I forgot in which comic series this was (Archie, IDW, etc.), but someone stated that Sonic the Hedgehog is Chaos personified. That’s why he is one of the few beings to be able to harness the power of the Chaos Emeralds. That means that no matter what your strategy is, no matter how much you prepare, no matter how much you calculate, there’s no such thing as a foolproof plan against Sonic the Hedgehog. His very nature will render even the best laid plans into something unexpected. For me, that’s a halfway decent explanation for why Eggman’s genius, Metal Sonic’s engineering, and other enemies Sonic has gone up against have failed. Because there’s no preparation for Sonic and the Chaos he unleashes.
It's like when I'm making yeast based cake and come back to it 3 hours later I'm afraid for what has grown in the bowl
He PISSED ON THE MOOOOOOOOON
@@falseseto3892 the comics are not canon so no
It feels like lots of the characters have been flanderized just to appeal to kids. By having simple, one-dimensional personalities the kids can have a good laugh.
It's this weird ideology that companies have. If something is aimed towards a younger audience, then no effort needs to be put in. That is faulty logic but it works and that is why it is seen so frequently.
Yeah, I think it's the reason I hate the word comedy.
If it works, it's not faulty unfortunately. They're not here to make art, they're here to make money. @@thepjshow
@@thepjshow Fred Rogers didn't feel or think the same way as these companies do.
... Nor did Lauren Faust, apparently.
I think one of my favorite Eggman roles is in the first Sonic Mega Man crossover. Thanks to having a second evil scientist to accompany him, it's a great showcase for how ruthless he can be. The event that causes the big rift between Eggman and Wily was that Wily just wanted to defeat and humiliate Light, but Eggman took it a step further and threw him out of the Wily Egg with the intent to kill him so he's no longer a threat. And by the end when both Eggman and Wily are defeated, Wily just reflects on his defeat while Eggman risks shattering his reality because he refuses to lose after coming so close. It shows how threatening, cold hearted, and persistent the character can be with competent writing.
On the topic of Engman being both intimidating and goofy as well as his early voice actors: Alfred Coleman as Eggman in the Real Time Fandubs walks that balance well and does justice to the character. There is a reason why Eggman’s Announcement is iconic.
Also, his evil laugh is actually kinda terrifying
This just reactivated a lost memory, that clip is an amazing piece of internet history!
Or that one clip when he becomes forklift certified.
I’m glad you said that, because I totally agree. I’d love to see a depiction of Eggman based on Alfred’s portrayal. His Eggman has everything you could want from the character, and this level of utter insanity that makes him completely unpredictable. I think that’s what could make him threatening, his insanity mixed with his intellect. He wouldn’t just be one step ahead of Sonic, he’d be walking on a completely different path altogether.
@@BardockSkywalker FREAKING
AGREED
Eggman: "As a child, I looked up to my grandfather because of all the great things he accomplished in his life. He was my hero! and I wanted to be a great scientist like him. But... Did he really mean to destroy us?"
Tails: "I don't know, but what I do know is that I don't care!"
And than the game makes you play a secret Eggman vs Tails fight
I watched an SA2 Randomizer video, and right after this dialogue quote came up, Shadow cut it off saying: "You are one pathetic creature!" Absolutely hilarious lmao
I really like that line from eggman because it shows that eggman's goal isn't to destroy the world or even conquer it, but *improve* it by mechanizing everything using his intellect, and then in a narcissistic fashion branding himself on everything. He *thinks* he's the good guy which is why his grandfather's actions baffled him so much.
Tbh it works. He's a genius. As smart as tail is I don't think he comprehends what he thinks.
That said, that means they made everyone else a little dumber cause almost anyone in real world would know what to say unless they're awkward
@@Otome_chan311 thats honestely the biggest miss understand of his character
He isnt trying to destroy the world he just think things will be better if he was in control
10:26 I love hearing sonic yelling from the other side at tails it’s so fucking great.
Nyeeegh, *_S H U T U P , T A I L S ! ! !_*
Nyeeeegh, *_SHUT UP, TAILS!!!!!_*
"Because you just told me fox boy!" One of the best lines in sonic adventure 2
I love Eggman's big goof moments, but I also love him being a genuine threat and has the guns to back it up. The movie version of him is a perfect example. Jim Carrey, the writers, everybody involved in the story of the movies have blown it out of the park with Robotnik as a character
agreed
And he has that goofiness too?
Or I guess trying to be hip and cool while being outdated.
This exact reason is why the Archie Comics had my favourite version of the character
@@uncertainteavevo8035 same
Unleashed is that interpretation of Eggman. He’s a MAJOR threat the guy literally split the planet apart however he has comedic moments that actually make you smile compared to other sonic games where when he tries to be funny it’s more annoying
One of my favorite Eggman lines is from the comics, when they tell him that his subordinates are busy, to which he replies "I dont care that they're busy. When I say jump they ask how high, on the way up."
comics eggman is a differnet breed, he was willing to some messed up things just because he could.
In response for Lost World specifically:
I think one issue for things like Knuckles and Eggman having a seemingly change is because, their OG games didn't really have much dialogue and cut scenes... we had a lot to imagine for them...
I also think we need to remember that Eggman just lost way too much to Sonic... like, because he lost so much, he no longer seems like a threat. Not to mention that Sonic and the gang kinda know him too well by later points...
Like, if you know him well and constantly beat him, would you still view him as a threat??? And it's shown that after so long, Eggman got comfortable with his enemies, so for him, being looser and less serious kinda makes sense... plus, he himself is now too used to losing.
But when we get to enemies that are only enemies, we can see how dark and crazy he can be... so it actually fits..
Pissing on the moon is definitely Eggman's greatest accomplishment
Strangely though. You can have a comedic and threatening villain, even without much seriousness. The main point is that the villain's threat is never part of the joke. It wouldn't solve the issue, but I feel it's the biggest contributing factor
any examples?
@@worldweaver2691 Aku from Samurai Jack
@@spongemaster oh yeah. really gotta watch that show.
Dr. Nefarious from the Ratchet and Clank series balances that very well. Yeah, he's this hammy over the top villain with anger issues and a screaming voice, but he has the genius, weapons and skills to back it up.
@@worldweaver2691 Perfect Cell from DBZA, absolutely hilarious and threatening, or like most of the villains from that series or MGR: Revengeance.
In eggmans defense in heros, he knew exactly how strong metal sonic had become at that point and knew that the 7 emeralds were the only chance they had. Back in adventure, he went up against perfect chaos with an idea of how strong he was, since eggman had been with chaos for all of his forms, he knew how much power he had gained with each emerald, so he figured he had fire power to take him down, not realizing just how strong perfect chaos actually was
He also had no control over any of his robots and his mech had been recently destroyed
Still, might have been a little more fitting if he was more, "As much as I _hate_ to admit it, I do not have a plan" and basically cemented it that all he had was Sonic in this case, with comms to help in the final fight and basically go, "With my intelligence and you being too stubborn to _die,_ we should be able to take that traitorous titan down"
Eggman is a massive ego. Of course he would think he can defeat a giant monster, the only thing he would truly be afraid of is his own perfect creation.
But then again, he fought without hesitation against Gemerl and Heavy King.
I love him in SA2. So serious compared to pretty much every other version of him.
Adventure 1 and 2 were great. "Away with you, lest I make mincemeat out of you."
"I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUCEMENT"
YOSH
After playing frontiers and the Final Horizon expansion story I totally feel like eggman has essentially become one of the heroes. He helps sonic so much and never argues with him or threatens him or attacked him. I get that they wanted to emphasize the “greater evil” trope of The End being so dangerous we need to team up. But that’s overdone. They did that in Advanced 3 with Gemerl and in SA2 with the biolizard.
Adventure 2 Eggman was Eggman at his most peak from being a threatening villian by threatening the President to outsmarting Sonic and Tails and to eventually realising his mistake he made by following his Grandfather's plan
Both him and Knuckles were written at their peak in Sonic Adventure 2
Also PJ you should make a video of how Knuckles is like in Sonic X and maybe even Eggman himself too
I plan to make a large video talking about Sonic X as a whole (although I may split that into a few parts).
@@thepjshow When do you plan to make that just out of curiosity ?
And Tails' written character was at his peak in Sonic Adventure 2 as well.
@@goldenrichard9313 Yeah I guess so I mean he didn't back away when he assumed Sonic was dead and instead he vowed to avenge and was at good terms with Eggman at the end of the game
It's funny cuz even Sonic was like "you've turned into a big time villain doctor"
I think most people don’t talk about 06 egg man. He spoke with a much calmer and laid back tone similar to how he was in the adventure era, like he was always a step ahead of the heroes
Just a shame that not many people probably listened to that Eggman much because of his design seeming bad, which (personally) of all the critiques towards 06 I find that one the weakest
Personally I find this version my favorite, and the vibe he gives off compared to the others in aesthetic is a fascinating touch that I like in the contained story of '06.
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@@kanseidorifto2430 Sonic 06 was my first Sonics game I thought that game was a masterpiece untill I was about 11
In Sonic Heroes, wouldn't bringing the Egg Fleet on Metal Overlord just make him stronger? That's literally exactly what just happened in the previous cutscene, Neo Metal destroyed a bunch of ships and used their parts to transform.
I was literally just talking to my sister about how Dr. Eggman is a lot smarter and a lot more threatening than most people in the fandom realize. He has actually come very very very close to taking over the world more times than the average cartoon villain.
Going a bit on how intimidating Eggman’s voice was in the old Adventure games, I always remembered the way Eggman takes in the final Tails Boss fight. He isn’t loud, he isn’t brash. He just got beat by sonic and Sonic’s little friend (in Eggman’s view) just thwarted his backup plan. He is pissed, and just the low way he tries to intimidate Tails made it clear to me he was not playing around anymore.
It also happens during the entirety of Tails' story. Best seen during the cutscenes before the Egg Hornet fight. Unlike where in Sonic's cutscene where he's brash and loud, in Tails' cutscene his voice is gravely and intimidating because to Tails, he's still quite threatening. I always liked that little attention to detail.
yes! that's one of my favorite scenes in any sonic game! it's my favorite Eggman scene.
I was 4 when I first played sonic adventure when it was brand new on the dreamcast and that scene always shook me!
I can just hear the background music in my head
Eggman was racing Tails to the Missile immediately after the Egg Carrier went down. Then after his defeat at the hands of Tails he goes to Final Egg where he fights Sonic in the Egg Viper. Tails then goes to the Mystic Ruins the next day where he meets up with Sonic & Eggman finds Chaos still alive in the jungle while furious at how Sonic had just defeated him. You forgot that Sonic went through the Lost World Stage before he went through Final Egg.
That final Eggman boss theme from SA1... chilling
I think the reason he was so defeatist when Metal revealed to be the mastermind in Heroes, was in itself narcissistic, because he's only saying that knowing Metal is his creation. Saying that HIS creation cannot be stopped because he made him invincible.
Good point™
I don’t really buy that. A narcissist would never submit to their own creation no matter how perfect it is, they’d be enraged that their creation would have the gall to turn against them and refuse to ever accept defeat due to that.
@@zephyr8072 It depends, a narcissist has a personality too. Eggman, while being a massive narcissist, is also obsessed with creating robots and machines and he is very obviously proud of all his creations. He wants the world to know he built them and that they are unsurpassable by anyone other than himself. IF he managed to create something even he believed he couldn't surpass, the peak of his ingenuity so to speak, he would be defeatist because deep down he doesn't want them to beat his creation. It is his ultimate creation, similarly to his grandfather's creating of Shadow, he wants to be the one to create that impossibly amazing thing.
It might not even be that he thinks he can't beat it, but if they beat it then it means he's wrong about how great it was and that's impossible. If he's wrong then his creation wasn't what he believed it to be and internally that's something he doesn't want to accept.
I believe he should've been defeatist in a more narcissistic way though, revealing his true feelings. Though, his personality would be better suited to trying to surpass his ultimate creation instead of believing himself to have created the peak of possibility, it is not impossible to write a narcissistic personality in that manner.
Um, he was also imprisoned and all of his robots were scattering, so he literally could not fight against Metal on his own.
Oh hey my comment got liked, thx
23:18 makes him out to actually have meaningful threats, which just makes it all the more upsetting that it didnt end up panning out
I'm sorry but I already can't take this seriously when at 0:25 I just hear "I've come to make an announcement"
What you said any peak Eggman makes me really appreciate what Jim Carey does for the character in the Sonic movies. He’s zany, but he’s definitely a narcissist and a threat, and you see that in how Sonic, despite his quips, does take him seriously.
Carrey*.
Agreed. Ppl shouldn’t overlook Carey’s Eggman just cuz he’s goofy, it doesn’t matter how “goofy” you are if you are an actual threat towards the villain
@@donathan2933 i think carey does such an amazing job because he makes eggman funny, but he also makes him SCARY! An evil genious making overpowered machines is who eggman is!
@@DiddyBom exactly. Eggman always had a goofy aspect to his character. His goofy appearance or antics hides the sadistic, destructive scientist that he truly is
Honestly, movie Robotnik's "goofiness" makes him even more terrifying, he gives off some real Joker vibes and you can tell anyone who gets near him is actively shitting their pants.
I thought Mike Pollock was great in Sonic and Tails R, though that was largely down to the dialogue avoiding all Meta Era tropes like the plague and it not being afraid to take itself seriously. Hell even within the first episode, Eggman pulls something of an Unleashed, beating Sonic at the very start as he's trying to use the Chaos Emeralds by causing them to shatter which sets the story in motion.
I agree I loved that series it gets all the characters right
And tails thank god for the characters fix now let’s hope sega can do it
And later he went fully Deem Bristow“ losers lose all of their lives « is not something modern Eggman would say and he was so intimidating, sadistic, dangerous and desperate howewr has some human moments. Acknowledging of his loss is also someting modern Eggman wouldn’t do. I LOVE him. Mad props tomEmi Doryan and if course Mike
Hell yeah, Sonic & Tails R is perfection, and also proof that Mike Pollock can do a serious Eggman, it really comes down to the dialogue he's being given.
@@DeltaBlazin Shadow was also thrown a huge lifeline in Sonic and Tails R, with it being the best he's been written since 06, and sounding more like he should than some bad Vegeta parody as he does under Kirk.
But I do think Tails got the biggest save out of all of them, as he does more in those 10 episodes than what he's done in the last 10 years of the Meta Era worth of games. Though saying that, within the first 30 seconds of the first episode he does more than he did in the whole of Forces. Then by episode 7, he does more in the 10 minute running time of that episode than the last 10 years. It's also like the Virgin Meta Era Tails, an arrogant little beat who can't even fight his way out of paperbag vs the Chad Sonic and Tails R Tails, a brave little fox cub who fights bravely and can use the Chaos Emeralds to go Super and stand as a true equal by Sonic's side
If Frontiers can be at least half as good as the radio drama, I think I'd be quite happy.
One thing that's worth noting about Adventure 2 was that firing the Eclipse Cannon wasn't even a bluff as he attempted to actually go through with it
18:54 Eggman's Piss Laser V2
Edit: Sonic Frontiers gave us Eggman's Piss Laser V3!
I PISS ON THE WORLD
Rewatching this, it makes me realize how in the Sonic Movie and Sonic Movie 2 (no spoilers) they really do capture his character really well
Makes me appreciate it
I was thinking that too. I actually like that in the first one it's him who's chasing Sonic as opposed to the other way around
@@jjb1908 exactly! Despite being goofy, Eggman in the movies is legitimate threat throughout both films he’s the one who forces Sonic to run away and is always gettin the upper hand on him, I lost count of how many times Eggman seemed to overpower Sonic throughout the second film. Sonic only rlly defeated Eggman in the climax
@@donathan2933 What's weird is that I never really thought of Jim Carrey as threatening
@@jjb1908 yeah same here. But he actually manages to be threatening as Eggman especially in the second movie. Always overpowering Sonic. When he absorbed the Master Emerald, I saw him as a real dangerous threat. His goofiness is just a distraction
I came here to say this and multiple people have beaten me to it. ;)
I also think the 2020 Sonic the Hedgehog movie also gives us a perfect Dr. Robotnik/Eggman by giving us the comedy, the genius, and threatening nature of the main villain. Throughout the movie, he kept Sonic on his toes.
But in turn they had to dumb Sonic down by turning him into a literal child.
I get that it's the first movie, and there'll probably be several more (hopefully to the point that we reach Adventure 1 and 2). But come on, nobody needed to see Sonic flossing.
@@samuelbutton7185 I mean he’s 13 in the movie instead of 15 like the games.
@@cupio-stardust and in his 20s in the later comics (RIP Archie-Sonic, Ken Penders can get f*cked with a stags head...)
@@dyingstar24 basically his age is inconsistent with things besides the games.
and unlike returning villains in sequels the trailers seem to be showing his s just as much of a threat if not more than the 1st movie instead of weakening him to show how cool and badass the new enemy is
I will say, I loved Eggman in Chronicles, and wish we had gotten a sequel. I also think part of his change was due to Sonic X, where he was more of a joke based character. The games saw how he was in the show and based it off that.
Eggman outsmarting Tails in Sonic Adventure 2 was so satisfying
A perfect eggman (for me) would start off goofy and then become more and more menacing as the game progresses.
That way the story also corresponds with the ganeplay. The enemies are more powerful because eggy is ramping up his aggression, and doesn’t want you foiling his plans
Endgame eggman should be threatening, he shouldnt react to sonic’s disses and punchlines, when hes winning hes kackling and when he loses hes furious.
That is eggman to me
Underrated comment here
I believe the reason why Eggman is way less intimidating in recent instalments is because of Orbot and Cubot. The two bumbling sidekicks who constantly annoy the main villain and test his patience with their incompetency is nothing new, but the problem is that those two actually became recurring characters, and with them constantly getting under Eggman's skin and interfering with his heinous schemes... they just showcase how truly inept he is. That, combined with the fact that he's always being upstaged by a bigger threat.
He's inept simply because they exist
They absolutely ruin Eggman in Colors. There's all this dark stuff behind the scenes of Eggman harvesting energy from the wisps, even that one scene where Sonic and Tails find them all trapped in the extraction machine. But then Eggman gets some screen time and he's just second fiddle to "HAHAHAHA CUBOT HAS FUNNY VOICES AND IT ANNOYS EGGMAN AND ORBOT" 🤦♂️
And then the payoff for all that stupidity is they finally fix him at the end and go "oh yeah your normal voice is annoying too." So funny I forgot to laugh.
Man i hate orbot and cubot
Eggman works better as a lone character
@@mjc0961 Colors isn’t a game meant to be taken seriously. 🤦🏾♂️It’s supposed to be stupid and wacky. WHY DON’T YOU PEOPLE GET THAT?
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Well, like I said, the problem is more that Orbot and Cubot became recurring characters. They were tolerable in Colors, but I don't think anyone was really expecting them to become mainstays.
Snapcube's Eggman somehow perfectly captures an extremely drunk version of peak Eggman
I personally like Michael B. Pollock as the voice actor for Eggman...
I might be biased since I kinda grew up with the modern voice actors...but I think the current voice for Eggman fits him more in my opinion...
About the defeatist situation in Sonic Heroes, I really liked that interpretation. Because he felt so betrayed and disappointed by his supposedly greatest creation.
It's a more humble part of his life. It would've been crazy if this gave the Sonic Team a way to have his character slowly change in a meaningful way through the next games, it could've been beautiful.
Even In the fleetway comics robotnik aka Eggman would do everything he could to destroy his creations when they turn traitor on him metal sonic created an army of himself and robotnik had a self destruct device to end him Brutus was made of the toughest metal ever yet robotnik had a combat suit that was armed to make him scrap metal the only creation he didn't destroy was shortfuse the cybernik in that version that robotnik was more like the satam version personal wise even though his appearance was mainly aosth from issues 20+ onwards yet it worked this morden version of the main villain is a disgrace with idw having to salvage the main villan as a viable threat again.
I think the reason why he did not assist in the final fight anyways was that he couldn't. Metal Sonic took control of his robots. just because he was not using them in the final fight did not mean he suddenly lost all of that. even more so since Overlord was right in his name.
As for a self destruct and Eggman willing to destroy his creations that also could have been the case. Metal Sonic could transform a lot so with his knowledge of Eggman's stuff he could have just disabled the self destruct. you think you would leave in a bomb if you were improving yourself?
These would give Eggman a reason to be so beaten down at the end. his creation did not just rise up against him. his creation surpassed what he had made it into. and then took over his empire to add insult to injury. since Eggman was kept prisoner and Metal Sonic remote controlling stuff it is probable during the game he was rubbing it in.
All in all Metal Sonic gave him a humiliation he never suffered anything close to before. Also he would have been right if everyone had not gathered the chaos emeralds and again. what could he have done the final fight if Metal Sonic still controlled his robots? an inventor needs time to invent stuff.
Eggman is a character who has arguably suffered the most out of the whole cast, from the direction the series took as it wore on, in part because the decay was already setting in before the meta era rot really kicked in for the rest of the gang. IMO, the Meta Era took the complaints people had about Eggman during the "Dark Age" and fixed the wrong issue. The problem wasn't ever that Eggman wasn't the final boss anymore, because he very frequently was- In the handheld titles. The problem was that he wasn't a big-deal villain anymore. They made him the final boss again, but he's still just as much of a joke, if not more, as he was when he was being punted over the horizon by Dark Gaia.
That said, I must admit I've never really liked Ian Flynn's take on the character, entirely because of Archie. Due to the oddness that was Eggman's backstory in the Archie book, Flynn wrote him less as a version of the character present in the games, and more a sort of hybrid between SEGA's post-Heroes Eggman and SatAM Robotnik, and those two versions of the character... do not gel well. Archie Eggman was so sadistic and outright vile that it took all the humour out of his more comical moments- It's kinda hard to laugh at the guy singing E.G.G.M.A.N. when it's happening in the same story arc where he carves up one of the protagonists with a blowtorch, seemingly while she's still conscious and aware of what's happening to her. Especially because it was painfully obvious that he'd never have to deal with a lasting defeat: While SEGA's Eggman will always end up flying away from a ruined plan, battered and burned and vowing revenge but clearly beaten, the Archie version was an emperor who controlled much of the planet and basically never lost. Even when he went crazy for a year, he incurred no relevant losses beyond one of his lieutenants having her head explode, but it's okay, he just rebuilt her to the point that it was impossible to tell that the cherry bomb he surgically implanted in her brain had detonated. Apparently he was a wizard or something.
SA2 will always be peak Eggman, I think.
I still like every eggman in every sonic game except 06. Unleashed almost made him look badass.
Archie eggman is badass
@@shockwavespider3942 Archie Eggman is an _idiot._ He hits the level of Stupid Evil previously reserved for AoStH Robotnik, and that's a little mean on Robotnik.
This is a man whose entire empire is made of machinery, and whose soldiers are all either robotic or cyborgs, and he decides to shoot the entire planet with a roboticizer beam, which makes technology explode. The man was going to nuke his own empire to rubble.
He self-sabotages at every turn, and only gets to keep his spot at the top of the totem pole because he's being constantly wanked by the writer.
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Yeah, he may be a self-defeating idiot quite often, but he's also the only Eggman to have gotten a proper win over Sonic, having managed to capture and _roboticize_ the Hedgehog at one point. Honestly, Archie Eggman went back and forth between genius badass and bumbling idiot.
@@VestedUTuber Robotnik Prime did that too.
15:30 WTF I NEVER STOOD LONG ENOUGH TO HEAR THAT!! 0_o The amount of empathy put into that dialogue of truth. Felt like a beautiful release to Shadow's ears like holy shit even mine :O
In Heros as the creator of Metal Sonic he knows how dangerous Metal actually is and that Metal evolved beyond Eggman being able to use a fail safe and he knows how hopeless the situation is without the emeralds
8:30 And what does he do? He comes to make an announcement and PISSES ON THE MOOOOOOOOON!
"Something that kinda happens" is a great description for Sonic Forces. It is by far the most incomplete-feeling mainline Sonic game (though I've never had the pleasure of trying Sonic 06), which sucks because you can see and imagine all the cool stuff that they clearly wanted to do before we got what we got.
Sonic 06 is good, imo. Gameplay kinda wack (glitchy) and theres loads of loading screens, kinda odd moments, but very fun for me
@@kobieharrison8931 haven't played it, but now that I think about it, it's kind of weird that in 16 years they haven't tried to fix that game. I guess they'd rather everyone just forget the game ever happened, but it's too late for that
@@Gloomdrake yeah, which sucks cuz i loved it, despite the fuckery it does
As released, Sonic 06 is terrible, but not as a fundamental concept. Check out Project 06 to see what could have been.
I did like the line "Wow, do I really get that crazy?" said by Past Robotnik in generations. Shows that he's aware of how...well....over the top he is in his quest to defeat Sonic. A nice bit of self(?) reflection
I don’t think that egg man was being out of character is sonic hero’s. Egg man has everything thought out most of the time. PJ used the example of SA1 to compare to how he was out of character. In SA1, he brought in Chao to level a city but he also knew that chao might not be a blind follower. He built the Egg Carrier 2 because he knew something like this might happen he even says so in his dialog (7:01). His narcissism, feelings of being more powerful than anything ever, and lack of knowledge about chaos power lead him to believe that he could take out chao which wasn’t true. In Sonic Hero’s, eggman had built metal sonic, and as seen in previous games, he is a blind follower of eggman. Eggman never would have expect metal sonic to defy him so he didn’t prepare for it. He also knew how powerful metal sonic was since he designed him. Maybe eggman might have done more if he had his army but metal sonic took that so there was nothing he could really do. Eggman also knew that any of his efforts to thwart metal sonic would be futile since he knows the power of metal sonic since eggman made him. He knew the only way they could defeat him was with the 7 most powerful things in the sonic universe which explains his negative attitude. He keeps his genius status by actually refraining from fighting metal sonic head on. Like PJ said, it would be cool if eggman helped fight metal overlord but eggman probably saw it as a suicide run and geniuses like eggman don’t just kill themselves to their own creations.
I agree entirely. He functions best as a villain with the occasional comic relief rather than _being_ that comic relief.
Early era Archie comics, plus SatAM, he had the odd comical moment, but was otherwise brutal. A _threat._
After that, and in IDW, he took on his more familiar shape and occasional menace, but gradually became jokey.
In the games? Just...eh. He's gotten about as bad as the writing and that saddens me.
On that note, why is it that in every media that isn't the games, he and the others are done so decently, but the game writing is in a spiral? Y'know...aside from the obvious "It's not Sega writing them."
Why is Sega doing this to these characters?
And it can't be about longevity, because Mario has been around longer and Bowser is still treated like a threat.
And occasional sports rival. And board game companion. And racer.
...It's complicated between them, but they're at least consistent with him going "Roar, I'ma do the thing!" then _doing_ it. Not cracking a joke or being the joke.
It seems that the games are trying to make Eggman different kind of franchise rival than Bowser, while not understanding why Bowser works as a rival character. Bowser is sometimes silly, but never during a fight or as part of a confrontation. He's a threat whose always close to winning whenever he's the main villain. Even in the RPG games where he's not the main villain, his sillier antics are only within non-serious scenes and he even tackles some very serious concepts such as single parenthood to his children. Even at his utmost silliest in one of the RPG games (forgot which one), he was only silly and acting like a joke sidekick due to amnesia so that wasn't even Bowser character-wise. It let's Bowser be taken seriously as a villain since he takes villainy seriously, but his casual moments where he can be silly function to expand his character as an individual that doesn't also define how he works as a villain. He has a "at-home" and "at-work" mentality.
Eggman in comparison became a 24/7 living joke. If his villain antics are jokes, then why should any of his plots be seen as anything other than jokes? And if his antics are only jokes, how does anyone take him seriously? They don't. Eggman's role as a villain has been completely taken over by a character who was originally his underling (mecha-Sonic) because Eggman himself became unable to, as a joke, do anything serious. And this is what he became, not how he started off as, which kind of makes it all worse.
Exactly, and well put. Bowser is jokey when the mood is _meant_ to be jokey.
The Egg is _just_ a joke and happens to have big robots.
@@joshuakim5240 You're thinking of Bowser as Rookie in Mario&Luigi Superstar Saga!
Kirby is another long standing series, one that shows evolution of a character over time. King Dedede remains a threat, but will often help the heroes. He's no longer the big bad, sure, but he remains scary, competent, AND hilarious as hell
maybe sega just gets a deal for a game, and then when they realize it Sucks its already too late to just cancel it and the fans would want it either way so they go with it and release the 3 quarters assed games anyway
Honestly, I always felt like that overkill was the perfect word to describe Eggman's methods. He always goes so far to accomplish (arguably) so little. Pretty much like you said, he resurrects an ancient God of destruction by destroying the Master Emerald and then gives it the seven Chaos Emeralds to grant it unlimited power just to build Robotnikland (Sonic Adventure's story in a nutshell), and that's just one example.
Yeah, overkill is the right word. The reason for it, I think, is that he creates plans under the assumption that nothing will go wrong. Instead of viewing his opponents as adversaries that absolutely will find the obvious weaknesses in his plans, he views them as chess pieces that will crumble before the might of his LATEST and GREATEST creation! He does the same thing with his allies, viewing them as pawns that will obey his every command. Because of that, he creates super weapons, toys with powers beyond his control, and always fails to understand that maybe his plan isn't as good as he thinks it is.
That being said, he still does a pretty good job of improvising, instead of breaking down the moment he realizes he might have been wrong about something.
I really think the movies did the characters justice. Especially Eggman. he crack a whole lot of jokes, sure, but his tone of voice makes it a threatening kind of comedy, like he knows he’s gonna win, so he doesn’t try, kinda like a mustached joker. That just makes him more threatening. And, best part, he’s actually FUNNY.
In unleashed arguably eggman won he built an amusement park which is implied to be something he has been working on since the classic era with the whole starlight zone being a city and whatnot.
He then proceeded to build a space amusement park in colours granted colours story was off it was a great progression of his desire to build an amusement park.(only thing i liked a lot about colours tbh)
He wanted to be a genius just like his grandfather they don't seem to tap into that anymore.
Eggman honestly is an interesting villain but really depressing cuz they completely forgot that side of him in forces.
The one that wanted to build an amusement park and do science like his grandpappy.
You can be too boring and serious(not funny) and too un heartfelt.
Yet you can also be too much comedic and make him not a threat at all.
The modern sonic games pretty much either fall into overly serious eggman or comedic eggman. Which both of them kinda forget the balance between the two and the heart of the character his drives his motivations his goals they pretty much do whatever with him instead of really thinking.
I really think we need another game with playable eggman which we haven't gotten since sa2(and sonic chronicles but nobody cares about that and it isn;t mainline)
Because it would be interesting to get into the psyche of this mad doctor.
The original theme of the series was nature vs technology and i feel like they could tap into that as the amusement park thing also tied into it.
heck why not delve into the relationship between shadow and eggman. He should have some admirable qualities as shadow is his grandfather's ultimate creation whom eggman clearly has a fondness for his granddad, also the fact that shadow is technically eggman's uncle.
Yeah, achieving the perfect balance of Serious and Goofy with the character can be challenging. There are always going to be people who prefer one or the other. I don't mind small amounts of comedy, but when it encapsulates the character, it becomes difficult to take that character seriously. I too would love to have another game with a playable Robotnik, but I don't think we will be seeing that anytime soon.
I don't know if this would be considered a "hot take" but my favorite Robotnik/Eggman is from the SAT,AM cartoon. The blacked-out eyes with just red dots for pupils, and the robot arm give him a sense of mystery. It makes you ask what happened to him that caused him to have these features. And the show starting with him having already won and controlling most of the planet adds to his threatening factor.
Also, I was pleasantly surprised with Jim Carrey's Robotnik from the recent Sonic movie and I'm curious what they'll add to him in the upcoming sequel.
AOSTH Robotnik is by far my favorite version, and is in fact my favorite villain of all time. The perfect mixture of goofiness, sinisterness, and all around insanity. The kind of villain who makes you laugh constantly while still managing to be threatening. And I really like how they made him more tragic and sympathetic in some episodes, such as showing his cruel mother or his desire to have a family. What a wacky and wonderful take on Eggman's character.
Sonic Movie 2 Robotnik is a continuation of Sonic Movie 1 Robotnik. Still a bit over the top, still arrogant, still menacing too.
I just realized why Eggman might've had that attitude after being freed in Heroes. With something like Chaos, he was attempting to use some godlike being he doesn't fully understand. But when it comes to Metal Sonic... Eggman built him himself. If anyone knows what Metal Sonic is capable of, it's Eggman.
With that said though, yeah, Eggman should have done a bit more.
It's also, like, his hubris extends to all the things he's built. He believes his forces are unstoppable, that he could even take on a god. But Metal *is* his forces, underestimating Metal would be underestimating himself and other creations.
And it could also be Eggman's subtle way of telling sonic that he can go fuck himself and deal with it on his own
It always seems frustrating when someone takes a character that you love, then decide to turn everything they say into a joke.
This is more of a head canon but the fact that eggman immediately thinks there is a fake chaos emerald in SA2 instead of another gem or the equipment being faulty hints that he at least tried to create his own chaos emerald and that feels very much in character.
“If I can’t have the chaos emerald, I’ll just make them myself”
The virgin regular villains: *Makes practical and intimidating weapons of destruction*
The chad Eggman: “Lol imma put my face on everything.”
One of my favorite traits of Eggman in the Adventure games is that he's kinda like Doctor Doom. He's seeking world domination, yes. But that's not out of a desire to drain the world dry or destroy the world or make everyone suffer. Eggman has absolute complete belief that the world would be better under his rule. The Sonic games don't have enough depth usually to get into a why, but Adventure 2 and yes, Shadow the Hedgehog, eventually did it. The corruption, incompetence, and crimes of GUN finally give us the last piece we need to get him. This is what he grew up hearing about. His (presumably) paternal grandfather's victimhood, the death of his cousin, this is his family's story. This is what he wants to replace, the government that would gun a child down in the midst of numerous other atrocities. Eggman is the hero of his story. He doesn't mind that he has to get his hands dirty or rule with fear. He's willing to do that because he believes that if people would just let him prove himself, he'd show them all that they would thrive under him. He will harness the power of the gods in order to take over the world. Yes, it's ego. But it's well-intentioned ego. He believes in himself so much that he believes he can save us all from the current system. He's trying to be a hero to a world he feels doesn't understand that, and he doesn't mind being the villain today to prove himself. Notice why he admires Gerald. "He was a hero." Eggman wants to be the hero, even if it means fighting the world.
Well, that is a very interesting take on Eggman's desire for control.
@@thepjshow Thanks. I just get a major Doctor Doom vibe from him throughout the Adventure series, and when you analyze what the lore says about his family and his deeper moments, it all seems to line up that he's got a fairly understandable reason for being like this. He knows of Gerald. He presumably also knew of Maria.
We know what parts of the story are a shock to him, but we don't know how he came about all this intel. But, it's his family history. Presumably, he knew the family lore before he had his grandfather's actual research. We can presume that since there's no relationship between Gerald's tech and Ivo's tech before Adventure 2. Artificial Chaos proves that the research was a later discovery. He would have used this intel himself if he had it prior to Adventure 2. So without going to the adaptations, somewhere between the games he got the actual intel.
Here's the thing: we know he heard about his grandfather growing up. We know Maria was both Gerald's granddaughter and killed as a child. Given how human reproduction works, that means Maria had a parent, and that parent was the sibling of Ivo's parent. A sibling who would not shut up about their dad when talking to their very impressionable genius son. Are we to assume that that sibling didn't also go "oh, and they killed my sibling's kid"? Logically, if Ivo heard about Gerald growing up, he heard about Maria. And if he heard about Maria, he heard about GUN killing her. And since GUN is the government, that's who he wants to overthrow.
Definitely an interesting perspective of Eggman. The only thing missing here is his narcissism and putting himself above other humans, but even that could be explained as him overcompensating from being rejected. Regardless of how you want to interpret Eggman though, what you've said about GUN is true and not something I often see brought up. They matter a lot more than people realize, at least as far as the early games go.
I personally doubt that is the case. Just because he felt hurt about GUNs corruption does not mean he decided he would be the hero the world needed. I think you are looking for matches where they are not there as I do not recall him ever doing anything good for others. well he did help save the world a line drawn does not make someone a person who desires good.
Ok, all i can think of when i see Eggman is " I PISSED ON THE FUCKING MOOOOON YOU IDIOT!"
24:54 - To be fair, Chemical Plant already IS dystopian, I don't think there was much they could do there. Other locations, yeah, but Chemical Plant is... Chemical Plant
Jim Cummings as Robotnik in the 1993 TV series terrified me as a child. I think that may be one of my favorite interpretations of the character.
Yep, the SatAm version is still my favourite take on the character. He's brilliant, cunning, genuinely intimidating, and fully capable of defeating Sonic. Then when they continued on in the Archie comics (flawed as they are), there's genuine weight to that final battle. Of course goofy Robotnik was there in the 90s too, with Adventures and the early Archies.
Me too
He’s so underrated
I also like robo robotnik/modern archie eggman is literaly perfect
I forgot about the brief but sincere exchange between Tails and Eggman at the end of SA2. It’s a shame because here we really see how far both characters have fallen. While the Sonic/Eggman rivalry was timeless, I always appreciated the rivalry between Tails and Eggman; the established evil genius and the precious young inventor who could very well develop a similar level of genius. There was something almost sweet about that dynamic.
You know what I would love to see from Eggman? Him getting betrayed by whatever eldritch abomination he’s summoned, and then taking back control halfway through, making it an interesting turn of events from what normally happens
We need how Eggman went from Joke to a genius
You've missed something incredibly big about his character, and that's the effect it has on each installment of the franchise. As the main antagonist, he almost completely shapes a game's direction, particularly the plot points. Think about how much more intricate the story is in sonic adventure 2. He thinks he's the most important human ever, so he deserves to take over the world. That, with how proactive he is, leads him to directly threatening the president, which leads to the writers placing a government spy, rouge, in his ranks to spot his bluff even after he blows up the fucking moon. So just in him being himself, the story must develop into something much more interesting. That is, when Eggman is taken seriously, he inevitably forces the story to have more developments, which is an amazing situation they've taken for granted.
And when he's not taken seriously, you get something like Colors, where Eggman is secondary to his stupid pet robot constantly speaking in different "hilarious" voice. 🙄
An interesting little experience I had with the sonic series and Eggman. So as a person who at first only really learned bits and pieces of sonic lore while knowing the general concept I kind of assumed for a while that Eggman was the last human left alive and was trying to save or preserve his people. It sounds weird but the main thing I noticed when looking at sonic after a while is that Eggman is the only human while everyone else is a talking animal then I think someone mentioned something about sonic's world being future Earth and I kind of reached this assumption that Eggman was the last human left or at least one of the last ones left and was trying to save his people. Honestly after learning about his actual motives and his portrayal I was pretty disappointed. He went from being a person turned into a villain by desperation to preserve his people to a cartoon "I wanna take over the world villain". I realize the conclusions I reached were pretty wild but its disappointing to have created this image of a serious, complex villain with a sympathetic goal in a cartoony world(kinda like the Kirby villains) just to find out they're just another generic "I wanna rule the world" villain which is viewed as a joke most of the time.
Eggman's backstory is more than just wanting to rule the world, he wants respect & admiration for both his & his family's scientific achievements. While Sonic's Series takes place in the future humans still inhabit Earth & they benefit from his family's work while being villainized from what I understand. The Grandfather he idolized as a child was executed by the United Federation Government (or its past as the United States) for trying to save humanity & cure disease. Sonic Adventure 2 was both Eggman's Origin Story & where his character arc peaked. Eggman is trying to build an Empire & eventually topple what has become the World Government. He's essentially a terrorist trying to become the world's greatest leader through the power of his creations, however at the end of Adventure 2 he loses much of his ambition.
@@WaterKirby1994 That is definitely a good point however the character as a whole still feels disappointing from what I originally imagined him to be. Adventure 2 was definitely Eggman at his best but since then he has failed to reach a point where he is as good at least in the games.
@@qball331 Eggman should have retired long ago from being a villain as his character arc was essentially over after Adventure 2. Eggman Nega was created for the sole purpose of being a much more evil version of Eggman, although he was abandoned once the 4kids Era ended. The games only ever cared about Eggman's motivations in the Adventure Era.
Up until we reach the adventures Era you would not be wrong in assuming that eggman is the last human. Before Sonic X, Mobius Aka future earth he is the last human. The only other people that show up in the animated canon are sat AMs direct henchman to Robotic.
At his core Eggman is unchecked industry fueled by ego and validation.
Eggman has never been interested in creating more humans, whether by technological or (ahem) genetic means. Most of the time, he only creates animalistic robots, so I can't really understand where you came to this conclusion. The closest thing I can think of to support your theory is in AOSTH, where he creates a robotic son named "Junior" who is very similar to himself as a teenager.
His them song in SA2 encapsulated everything you needed to know in one damn verses.
"*I* am the enemy!
I *WILL* succeed!
My missonn yeah I must compleat!
My name is Eggman, *don't forget my name*!
If you ask me again, I'll tell you the same!"
Ego, little silly and threat.
But then that entire theme made sure you knew what you needed too.
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I think Eggman probably cooperated with Sonic & his friends to ensure that he at least has Earth to rule over, usually ``I`m gonna rule over the world`` villains don`t want the whole world to be destroyed, since if it does they would have nearly nothing to rule over, or at least wouldn`t be able to rule on the planet they want to, since it got yeeted out of existence. Now before someone says ``But he was ready to blow up the Earth with the eclipse cannon`` , he probably wasn`t. He knew that if no one stops his plan, the big government leaders *will* surrender to him, it`s obvious no one would want the planet to just get blown up by -Eggman`s p!ss- a large laser cannon. So either he just wanted to save Earth just to ensure he has the chance to rule over it... or even he has his moral standards & genuinely thought that his grandpa went too far.
Thanks for the heart!
EDIT: Maybe it`s both: He knew he needed the Earth to exist to rule over it, so he decided to save it from an outside threat, and also thought that his grandpa went too far, according to the minimum moral standards he may have.
8:47 no he pissed on the moon
What a great character Eggman was, hopefully the new era of sonic will bring these character back in action at their finest
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Sponsor
2:06 Classic Eggman
5:01 Sonic Adventure 1
7:37 Sonic Adventure 2
13:21 Sonic Hero's
14:41 Shadow The Hedgehog
16:02 Sonic 06
17:27 Secret Rings
17:34 Sonic Riders
18:10 Sonic Unleashed
21:19 Sonic Colors
22:21 Sonic Generations
22:41 Sonic Lost World
24:18 Sonic Forces
26:25 Sonic Boom
26:51 Sonic IDW Comics
27:24 Conclusion
27:56 Outro
now in Future we got Sonic Frontiers and the ending is just peak Eggman in normal game and Final Horizon
personally i think the cutscene where eggman threatens the zetis was pretty badass, it even displays some of his classic narcissistic demeanor when he calls them eggman wannabes.
@sonic 1995 not really, you can tell that eggman’s VERY pissed, that just makes him outraged, i mean i would be too if everything i loved was taken from me. if you want edgy just look to shadow
While I know he died so he couldn't play Robotnik forever, I feel Bristow's death was also the death of Robotnik as well.
Yes... I know the issue isn't just the voice actor of course and also part of the writing, but I would also say that both writing and delivery both play a role.
Pollock always did his deliveries in a way like he's playing a comical guy. The writing then made it even worse with how they make the character acted.
When you had the sinister, yet sincere tone of Bristow with some of the comical gestures of Robotnik in SA1 and SA2... it was the perfect blend.
(And before someone say Eggman had no comical parts in SA1, don't tell me you didn't laugh or at least chuckle when he told Tails to wait for him while they raced to the end of Speed Highway or when Chaos blasted him out into the air after destroying the 2nd Egg Carrier. And while you might've laughed, you still took Eggman seriously. Especially that final glare he had after the fight with Perfect Chaos.)
Deem Bristow was such a legendary Eggman Voice. Like you said, he blends all the aspects of Eggman's personality so well and conveys them with his exceptional performance.
given the majority praises mike pollock im shocked to hear this
FINALLY someone else who understand how Deem Bristow was superior VA...
I miss him, I miss him so much.
I'm going to say this now, but Mike Pollock is the superior Eggman. Part of Eggman's personality is his showmanship. The idea that his less flavorful performance was better is just unfair, and it seems to come from this entire channel and consequently the viewers pushing the narrative that ALL Sonic characters have been ruined. But that isn't true. Eggman is the one character I would say has only gotten better as the series went on.
@@Laiser Thank you
I have never watched or played any sonic game seriously BUT hearing that conversation with eggman and tails struck a chord with me. The voice acting and writing was SO good! I have never seen that side of eggman nor did I know it was there. Truly seems like an S tier villain during that era.
Hoo boy, Eggman.
I agree that his character absolutely peaked in Adventure 2, and honestly I'm not sure if anything will ever quite reach that same peak even if you have a better overall story than Adventure 2, because it does such an immaculate job with his character especially, especially with the fact that, well, Eggman SUCCEEDED. If not for Gerald pulling a "no u" on the ARK's intended purpose, he would have accomplished everything he set out to do, in spite of his plan not ending up perfectly executed (you had to show yourself in the pyramid base...why...but stuff like that gets a pass because it's a perfect representation of his character, which includes his flaws).
The ONLY gripe I have always had with Eggman's side of the story (one that Sonic Paradox at one point also made fun of) is...how do you rule over a world that's been destroyed? That question has basically always lived rent-free in my head...
Eggman in sonic adventure 2 was peak eggman.
He even outsmarted tails and had it not been for Sonics plot armor he would have won.
He's slowly became more of a laughingstock and a joke that even the devs know about.
Honestly while eggman was never truly a villain who you'd think of for his villainy outright in hindsight he had moments that made the egg shaped villain look like a true enemy.
In the game gear sonic 2 its implied that he killed tails or at least captured him as sonic is unable to rescue him and looks up into the sky longing for him.
In sonic CD he legit also is out to take over all of little planet and if you either fail to get the robot generators or time stones eggman basically wins.
Knuckles chaotix also had an ending where super metal sonic takes over the city and burns it down.
Compared to now where somehow he takes over the world and despite this seeming domination still loses in like a week.
He's a joke.
Unleashed eggman was good too, but yeah sa2 eggman was him at his best
@@gokublack9724 Unleashed was the most memorable for me.
@Мищук Артем unleashed eggman was the most memorable for me too, but sa2 eggman was the best overall
@@gokublack9724 Towards the end of unleashed Eggman became a comedic joke. I would say Unleashed was the start of the fall.. The only time I truly enjoyed Eggman as a Villain was in Sonic adventure 2
@@TheAnimeYoungin true
I agree with a lot of the video but for heroes , didn’t Metal Sonic literally have control of Eggman’a entire fleet and was at basically at perfect chaos levels of power so Eggman didn’t really have any options to fight except the chaos emeralds? So his more defeatist attitude kinda makes sense. Even he understands sometimes when he is out matched.
This to a large extent. Well it does not explain his attitude it is not like he can be faulted for not joining in the final fight. and it is not really so much being out matched though I would say a creation surpassing what he built played in his attitude. He did not have any time to make a new invention to aid in the fight against Metal Sonic with all his previous inventions out of his control.
@DanielZaneTH-cam Tails was fighting it. and even if not they are not used to working together and had hardly any time. making inventions is sort of a time consuming endeavor.
Besides Metal Sonic would just ignore something rushed together and possibly even take control of it. One of his attacks was just throwing an Egg carrier.
Alfred Coleman is my favorite Eggman