If anyone else is experiencing the problem of having too red-leaning of any brown color, add a tiny touch of a dark green (such as perylene green or shadow green) and it will neutralize the reddish tone and you'll have a more "umber" raw umber. 😊
I bet they're all in good condition as well! It's amazing how long watercolours last and can be brought back to life with a mere splash of water. Thanks for commenting, Marjorie.
Thank you. I have found the very same thing. Many brands of raw umber are also quite opaque. I ended up doing the same as you did with the yellow ochre. The sepia is very close to the color of raw umber in DS brand. I was debating on just now if I should buy the raw umber or just add the yellow ochre to the sepia. I might have to check on which blue pigment was used though to avoid a green cast. I use Daniel Smith raw umber and a good Cerulean from DaVinci to make beautiful greys. The real Cerulean is not overly granulating and is well worth using in skies but I love using the greyed version too in greyed cedar or wood and landscapes. The Cerulean took me awhile to find. I tried at least 6 then the brand I use for the most beautiful permanent alizarin crimson and medium yellow. It saves on expense and my palette is quite a mix of brands. Thank you again for your video.
Hi Jennie, thanks very much for your comment. Glad you found the video useful. DS Sepia is a mixture of PBr7 and PBk9 (ivory black). This black in DS, according to handprint.com, produces "ultramarine-like textural effects in wet applications" so may lend a bluish tint to mixes, though I haven't tried it. Interesting about your experiences with Cerulean. I almost gave up on it because in the brands I've tried (W&N and SAA) it seems wishy-washy and it's difficult to achieve an even flat wash. Then I discovered DS Cerulean Blue Chromium which is more vibrant and transparent. I was thinking of doing another Colour Focus video on Cerulean actually, so look out for that. Best wishes.
Thx for the review. I think I'll keep the Raw Umber from W&N I just purchased because it is different from the DS, which I have. Years from now I'll probably be glad I did. Thx for showing your work, it's inspiring
Buenas; el marrón de magnesio winsor & newton es muy parecido a tu antigua sombra cruda de winsor. En el tubo pone PY119, es decir pigmento amarillo, pero algunas fuentes dicen se trata del pbr11. Saludos.
Hi Judith. I had no idea that a color could vary so dramatically from one brand to another! I think the Sennelier might be closer to what you are looking for. But rather than doing the mix with yellow ochre, why not just go back to Winsor Newton? Take care!
I know, right? I was shocked that the Daniel Smith was so dark. According to Jane Blundell this is how Raw Umber should be. Somehow I had expected it to be similar to the W&N. I actually thought I didn't have any W&N raw umber left but then I found an old palette which had some in, so I could compare with other brands. I could certainly buy more of this colour in W&N but I just wanted to experiment. Thanks for your interest. All the best.
Good question! I have actually now bought a tube of the W&N. My reason for making this video last year was to show how same-named pigments can differ from one brand to another. I think I had (naively) expected them to be more similar. While I don't feel compelled to use another brand, I did move away from W&N due to quality concerns. Tried SAA as recommended by a teacher, but am now gradually replacing with Daniel Smith mostly.
@@JAMilesArt I see. I didn't know WN was having consistency issues. I just started and just went for DS because I live in the US. I hope WN does a course correction.
@@valerieh.708 Rumours were circulating about W&N back in 2015. It was mentioned on the Making a Mark blog that quality had deteriorated since they moved manufacturing out of the UK (to France or China, it's not clear where). I was introduced to Daniel Smith paints through the Urban Sketchers community and really love them. I'm gradually building up my palette with favourite pigments.
@@JAMilesArt DS have so many gorgeous earth tones, I'm sure you can find amongst them one that fits your needs. Just buy their full dot card so you can get a close look at them
This was really helpful! Raw umber isn't really brought up when discussing umbers. Thank you for sharing❤
If anyone else is experiencing the problem of having too red-leaning of any brown color, add a tiny touch of a dark green (such as perylene green or shadow green) and it will neutralize the reddish tone and you'll have a more "umber" raw umber. 😊
Guess I should be happy that I have watercolors from way back when...like more than 40 years ago..
I bet they're all in good condition as well! It's amazing how long watercolours last and can be brought back to life with a mere splash of water. Thanks for commenting, Marjorie.
Thank you. I have found the very same thing. Many brands of raw umber are also quite opaque. I ended up doing the same as you did with the yellow ochre. The sepia is very close to the color of raw umber in DS brand. I was debating on just now if I should buy the raw umber or just add the yellow ochre to the sepia. I might have to check on which blue pigment was used though to avoid a green cast. I use Daniel Smith raw umber and a good Cerulean from DaVinci to make beautiful greys. The real Cerulean is not overly granulating and is well worth using in skies but I love using the greyed version too in greyed cedar or wood and landscapes. The Cerulean took me awhile to find. I tried at least 6 then the brand I use for the most beautiful permanent alizarin crimson and medium yellow. It saves on expense and my palette is quite a mix of brands. Thank you again for your video.
Hi Jennie, thanks very much for your comment. Glad you found the video useful. DS Sepia is a mixture of PBr7 and PBk9 (ivory black). This black in DS, according to handprint.com, produces "ultramarine-like textural effects in wet applications" so may lend a bluish tint to mixes, though I haven't tried it. Interesting about your experiences with Cerulean. I almost gave up on it because in the brands I've tried (W&N and SAA) it seems wishy-washy and it's difficult to achieve an even flat wash. Then I discovered DS Cerulean Blue Chromium which is more vibrant and transparent. I was thinking of doing another Colour Focus video on Cerulean actually, so look out for that. Best wishes.
Thx for the review. I think I'll keep the Raw Umber from W&N I just purchased because it is different from the DS, which I have. Years from now I'll probably be glad I did. Thx for showing your work, it's inspiring
Buenas; el marrón de magnesio winsor & newton es muy parecido a tu antigua sombra cruda de winsor.
En el tubo pone PY119, es decir pigmento amarillo, pero algunas fuentes dicen se trata del pbr11.
Saludos.
interesting.. love the video
I think W&N have the best version ,raw umber should lean yellow and burnt should lean red
Hi Judith. I had no idea that a color could vary so dramatically from one brand to another! I think the Sennelier might be closer to what you are looking for. But rather than doing the mix with yellow ochre, why not just go back to Winsor Newton? Take care!
I know, right? I was shocked that the Daniel Smith was so dark. According to Jane Blundell this is how Raw Umber should be. Somehow I had expected it to be similar to the W&N. I actually thought I didn't have any W&N raw umber left but then I found an old palette which had some in, so I could compare with other brands. I could certainly buy more of this colour in W&N but I just wanted to experiment. Thanks for your interest. All the best.
Why not just stick with WN then? Is there a reason you feel compelled to use another brand?
Good question! I have actually now bought a tube of the W&N. My reason for making this video last year was to show how same-named pigments can differ from one brand to another. I think I had (naively) expected them to be more similar. While I don't feel compelled to use another brand, I did move away from W&N due to quality concerns. Tried SAA as recommended by a teacher, but am now gradually replacing with Daniel Smith mostly.
@@JAMilesArt I see. I didn't know WN was having consistency issues. I just started and just went for DS because I live in the US. I hope WN does a course correction.
@@valerieh.708 Rumours were circulating about W&N back in 2015. It was mentioned on the Making a Mark blog that quality had deteriorated since they moved manufacturing out of the UK (to France or China, it's not clear where). I was introduced to Daniel Smith paints through the Urban Sketchers community and really love them. I'm gradually building up my palette with favourite pigments.
@@JAMilesArt It seems so stupid that a reputable brand like WN would sacrifice its position in the fine art market. Oh well! Nothing is sacred.
@@JAMilesArt DS have so many gorgeous earth tones, I'm sure you can find amongst them one that fits your needs. Just buy their full dot card so you can get a close look at them