And the original PS3 was backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games. If they had a PS5 Pro that was fully backwards compatible all the way back, I might consider it. Throw some slots in there for PSP and PS Vita, even better. But you're spot on.
Good art is a balance between hardware and software... too much focus on the hardware these days and not the software... games, music, movies... it's all louder, faster, clearer... and that's it... the rest is lacking... 😢
Super Metroid looked nice but was also a great game Sonic 2 looked great and was great [it's the one that really started sonic mania for a bit] GTA Vice City looked nice but is still one of the greatest open world games ever...for gameplay and story...and just pure mood and nostalgia Halo CE looked and played great you can balance the 2 but it has not benefitted us at all when devs go out and talk eww now we can make even larger worlds....NOI you frakking missed the point! i forget who said it but it was at the PS4 unveiling i think and it was the single most cringe thing i heard anyone say at E3 at the time....cus i knew what that meant!!!! sadly i've watched the decline longer than anyone else and as great as gen 7 was for most it was DECLINE! a slip into MTX hell, DLC nonsense and passes as well as a shift to online only....gen 7 under your nose started every disgusting trend we now suffer with....so while we got the Mass Effect trilogy and many games as good as that for every big hit we got there was a failing of the industry somewhere that'd take about a decade to fully materialize and become cancer.... AAA now is cancer, the bleeding edge is not salvation and when prices are this high you might as well build your own PC...and play older games cus very little new now is worth even touching....lol
Man, you have spoken nothing but the honest blunt truth which is why I love your content because in everything you said, you were not wrong at all! Just sucks they are trying to for cash grabs if your name is not nintendo.
How anyone can interpret the stand, which can't cost Sony more than less than a dollar for each unit, not being bundled in the 700 USD is as anything other than a legit middle finger to their costumers is wild.
RE: The stand, I bought a PS5 Slim back in November, and all the marketing were showing it sitting vertically. I'd spoken to friends who all said their OG PS5 included the stand. Well, to my surprise, the Slim didn't include one, only small plastic feet to help it sit horizontally. The thing that frustrates me about the PS5 Pro is that they're doing the same exact thing via marketing that they did with the Slim and they're being very vague about it, and this is only fueling the fire further. My guess: Sony backpedals, says they will include the stand and 1-year PS+ Premium.
He hits the head in the nail they will offer their bs online service as "added value" because double paying is k, according to them. I am going PC I already pay for my internet, I won't pay twice. Only reason before was exclusives and cheaper hardware, no reason now.
I don’t understand how there are people that are actually defending it and they all say the same bs… “This is for enthusiasts and you’re just broke/poor.” 😂
I'm still playing most modern games on my PS4 Pro! I have one of the special editions that came with a 2TB hard drive, vertical stand and....A DISC DRIVE!!!
There are handheld PCs, Mini PCs, Prebuilt PCs, and Laptops that can all provide a console like experience. In my opinion, one of the major advantages of consoles was physical copies of games. Now that they are pushing for digital only, there are no advantages anymore. It would actually make more sense for Sony and Microsoft to make their own versions of the Steam Deck, if they only want to sell hardware.
I have a factory sealed copy of Bugs Life for the Ps1 on display in my collection. It’s worth nothing to most people but to me it’s priceless to me since it was my very first video game. 100% agree that it’s about the games not this scammy hardware that has nothing to offer other than a chunk of your bank missing. Cant wait for Silent Hill 2 though, I’m actually interested after seeing gameplay.
I just snagged a PS5 last year and won't be touching this shit with a ten foot pole! Sony and Microsoft used to be gaming titans of the industry, and unfortunately, they're more concerned with touting console specs nowadays than producing quality 1st party games! At least Nintendo is knocking the ball out of the park in that department, and I am definitely looking forward to what they're coming up with next!
I'm glad that I stucked with Nintendo. Don't get me wrong, Xbox and Playstation have a great huge library of games, but Nintendo has a lot of great exclusives. I also own an Xbox Series X and PS5 to play Persona, but I've been playing the switch a lot lately because they're the only ones releasing decent games. Out of all of them, the only ones who need an upgrade should be Nintendo, but they don't care about making good graphics. They care about entertainment.
The fact that you ca still pick up a gameboy color and play pokemon red, shows you need physical copies of these games because at some point the severs might close (concord) and no longer have access to the game. Sony is on this "trust me bro" with the no disc drive is just laughable
Yeah man. Ever since I got into PC taking last year, I’m content with that and whatever Nintendo console comes around to compliment it. Plenty to play.
I don't think I have 800€ (In my European country it will be even more because we have to import most things) just laying around somewhere to buy a console that is capable of playing: Oh wait what!? Ah yeah there's no games (exept Astro Bot but that is basically it).
I have a PS5 just to play Tekken 8 and SF6. And my Switch is still the only console I look forward to seeing what games are coming out next. I really don't care about the same old generic games being released over and over and the selling points just being improved graphics. At least Nintendo on their highly outdated hardware keep finding something fun to give us!
Its very sad seeing sony is becoming apple now. Live service games arent it for me & wish they pushed out more games im interested in playing.. $80 disk drive & a $30 vertical stand gawd damn.. im very happy with my 2tb og ps5.
Yeah. Ps5 fat come with a stand, ps5 slim stand not included, ps5 pro stand not included. This is “like Apple” behavior. Nintendo instead of directly competing with MS and Sony created they own league and and in the lead, but also they are far in front of MS and Sony. I believe both MS and Sony changed the market by opening to PC. Do not get me wrong more people having access to more games is pro customer move. But at the same time it is changing the business model these companies were using for like a few decades. All 3 earn on selling things in their stores. Every game, mtx, dlc they take 30% cut, on top of that they require customers pay for online which is free on PC. So opening to pc might result in lost console sales. First from people who had both consoles and PCs, later from those who might migrate to PC. MS was first, with adding games to MS store to leverage their platform, when this did not work as expected they started doing Steam releases day one. Sony which was in better position than MS didn’t have to do it, yet they copied MS which is strange as usually it is the one on last place coping the leader not the other way round. So they created a situation which now they have to deal with. Gaming will for sure see more changes. To me ps5 pro for 800eur + disc drive + stand is not worth it. Assuming I have a 1000eur for entertainment budget I would not choose ps5 pro, probably I will choose some other hardware.
The nerve to try and sell the pro for 700 and it doesn't even have a disc drive is so crazy. That's the biggest thing for me. So ridiculous and I really hope they lose millions on this one to maybe wake them tf up.
Like 649€, that would have been my magical line. Selling my ps5 slim and then putting in top the rest. But 800€ and not even a CD-Laufwerk. That’s just a rip off
They really didnt read the room with this one. Be surprised if there isnt some sort of pushback ie, including the drive etc. With Switch 2 being just around the corner (at a probable MUCH lower price) Sony seems to be targeting a very small, niche market with this model. The stand just screams greed to me. Its your flagship model... cost would be negatable to Sony but here we are yet again with their arrogance....
Right, im going to throw my PC/Switch gamer opinions into the fray. When games are still being released cross generation, why the living shit they're releasing a Pro model is beyond me! To address PSSR, thats basically what we have with nVidia DLSS. Honestly? Its fantastic. Using AI to upscale graphics is far more groundbreaking than Ray Tracing imi, which when used in tandem is fantastic! The big caveat is that it needs patching into previous titles. If a dev isn't prepared to patch it in, then you're SOL. My main issue is that theres still the "well, if devs want to target 30fps then they can really push the graphics", when the absolute greatest improvement to gameplay is frame rates and seeing as, according to their own stats, 75% of people play in performance mode. The fact that the PS Studios games out on PC will still run better on a current mid tier GPU than PS5 Pro. Guess what? My 4070 that i put onto my 7 year old PC cost €600. Im not overly fussed about physical games per se, but i sure as shit dont trust console manufacturers to be able to carry forward digital games onto the next generation. The fact is that indie games do numbers and are way cheaper than the generic AAA games. The real issue with retro is sure, we didnt have day 1 patches but if a game was broken, that was it. We forget the shit games that were broken, and when we get updates it makes the issues more obvious. I watched this after your SoCal RGE video, and you have a new sub
It’s even more egregious in Japan This is the first 6 figure console in Japan. You have to remember in America 200-700$ console is a big range but all 3 digits. Within the same realm of monetary view. In Japan. The avg console is around 65,000 yen. That’s like 450$. A 99,999 + yen console AKA 120,000 yen, is the last thing Japanese want to see. A WHOLE DIGIT ADDED TO THE VALUE OF CONSOLES AS A WHOLE. THEY ARE UNANIMOUSLY DISGUSTED. It’s like seeing 100 dollar games in America when they’re supposed to be 60$ that extra digit is enough to justify me smashing a devs kneecaps
For 700 800 dollars you can just get a pc handheld rog ally and steam deck and those have way more games than the ps5 pro at this point you might as just get a pc
Will love seeing PS5 games run even worse on the base model since every dev will be optimizing for the garbage pro version, just like how it happened with the PS4 and 3DS Feels good to be a PCchad
GTA 6 needs alot of power. Sony knows it stutters and stammers running on current console. It's taken near a decade to just make the game. . Think about the Memory it would take to run. The PS 5 is not gonna cut it. But the NEW machine will play GTA 6.
Ps5 runs cyberpunk 2077 at 4K 60 fps on performance mode, im perfectly fine with Gta 6 being 4K 30 fps. If you really need that smoothness then it will be worth it for you.
Bro same here I have a ps2 ps3 I have ps5 not enough games though reason is cause the games on ps5 are way to glitchy 2 everything is censored beyond hell i lost so much interest in ps5 I always rig on ps2 and ps3 the reason I have a ps2 is for deadly alliance deception and Armageddon that’s TRUE KOMBAT
If ps5 had Dantes inferno lollipop chainsaw physical copy Shadows of the damned SPLATTERHOUSE I soooooooo would reconsider ps5 but we end up with fuck you games. Bro you are not old you are like us we are O.G. you are helping ppl to wake them up that’s what I have been trying to do
They need to make that ConTurd money back somehow right? Investors will be happy, we just rack the price and let the fanboys pay up for our mistakes!!.....yaaaa, no Sony, going to PC. Buying the Switch 2 over that crap.
And the original PS3 was backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 games. If they had a PS5 Pro that was fully backwards compatible all the way back, I might consider it. Throw some slots in there for PSP and PS Vita, even better. But you're spot on.
You know this will never, ever happen. 😅😅😅😅
@@glennhkboy hahaha of course not! But one can dream 😂
8:45 $700 and you can’t give the consumer a plastic stand? GTFOH
Good art is a balance between hardware and software... too much focus on the hardware these days and not the software... games, music, movies... it's all louder, faster, clearer... and that's it... the rest is lacking... 😢
Super Metroid looked nice but was also a great game
Sonic 2 looked great and was great [it's the one that really started sonic mania for a bit]
GTA Vice City looked nice but is still one of the greatest open world games ever...for gameplay and story...and just pure mood and nostalgia
Halo CE looked and played great
you can balance the 2 but it has not benefitted us at all when devs go out and talk eww now we can make even larger worlds....NOI you frakking missed the point! i forget who said it but it was at the PS4 unveiling i think and it was the single most cringe thing i heard anyone say at E3 at the time....cus i knew what that meant!!!!
sadly i've watched the decline longer than anyone else and as great as gen 7 was for most it was DECLINE! a slip into MTX hell, DLC nonsense and passes as well as a shift to online only....gen 7 under your nose started every disgusting trend we now suffer with....so while we got the Mass Effect trilogy and many games as good as that for every big hit we got there was a failing of the industry somewhere that'd take about a decade to fully materialize and become cancer....
AAA now is cancer, the bleeding edge is not salvation and when prices are this high you might as well build your own PC...and play older games cus very little new now is worth even touching....lol
Man, you have spoken nothing but the honest blunt truth which is why I love your content because in everything you said, you were not wrong at all! Just sucks they are trying to for cash grabs if your name is not nintendo.
Thank you brother I appreciate that man
How anyone can interpret the stand, which can't cost Sony more than less than a dollar for each unit, not being bundled in the 700 USD is as anything other than a legit middle finger to their costumers is wild.
RE: The stand, I bought a PS5 Slim back in November, and all the marketing were showing it sitting vertically. I'd spoken to friends who all said their OG PS5 included the stand. Well, to my surprise, the Slim didn't include one, only small plastic feet to help it sit horizontally. The thing that frustrates me about the PS5 Pro is that they're doing the same exact thing via marketing that they did with the Slim and they're being very vague about it, and this is only fueling the fire further. My guess: Sony backpedals, says they will include the stand and 1-year PS+ Premium.
He hits the head in the nail they will offer their bs online service as "added value" because double paying is k, according to them. I am going PC I already pay for my internet, I won't pay twice. Only reason before was exclusives and cheaper hardware, no reason now.
Ur spot on bro Sony has lost touch seems they learnt nothing from the ps3 price debacle
I don’t understand how there are people that are actually defending it and they all say the same bs…
“This is for enthusiasts and you’re just broke/poor.”
😂
Because they're fanboys. We ignore them 😂
Nothing but facts here. Speak to them rectwizard!
What was really messed up was releasing a slim knowing that the Pro was right around the corner.
I'm still playing most modern games on my PS4 Pro! I have one of the special editions that came with a 2TB hard drive, vertical stand and....A DISC DRIVE!!!
There are handheld PCs, Mini PCs, Prebuilt PCs, and Laptops that can all provide a console like experience. In my opinion, one of the major advantages of consoles was physical copies of games. Now that they are pushing for digital only, there are no advantages anymore. It would actually make more sense for Sony and Microsoft to make their own versions of the Steam Deck, if they only want to sell hardware.
11:03 Absolutely 100% truth! Power and framerates and pixels don’t mean 💩 nothing for the games are trash!
I have a factory sealed copy of Bugs Life for the Ps1 on display in my collection. It’s worth nothing to most people but to me it’s priceless to me since it was my very first video game. 100% agree that it’s about the games not this scammy hardware that has nothing to offer other than a chunk of your bank missing. Cant wait for Silent Hill 2 though, I’m actually interested after seeing gameplay.
I just snagged a PS5 last year and won't be touching this shit with a ten foot pole! Sony and Microsoft used to be gaming titans of the industry, and unfortunately, they're more concerned with touting console specs nowadays than producing quality 1st party games! At least Nintendo is knocking the ball out of the park in that department, and I am definitely looking forward to what they're coming up with next!
Bro you totally read my mind 👏👏👏 100% agreed.
I'm glad that I stucked with Nintendo. Don't get me wrong, Xbox and Playstation have a great huge library of games, but Nintendo has a lot of great exclusives. I also own an Xbox Series X and PS5 to play Persona, but I've been playing the switch a lot lately because they're the only ones releasing decent games. Out of all of them, the only ones who need an upgrade should be Nintendo, but they don't care about making good graphics. They care about entertainment.
The fact that you ca still pick up a gameboy color and play pokemon red, shows you need physical copies of these games because at some point the severs might close (concord) and no longer have access to the game. Sony is on this "trust me bro" with the no disc drive is just laughable
Yeah man. Ever since I got into PC taking last year, I’m content with that and whatever Nintendo console comes around to compliment it. Plenty to play.
Hell, no $700 ridiculous I’m perfectly fine with my PS5
Same bro
I don't think I have 800€ (In my European country it will be even more because we have to import most things) just laying around somewhere to buy a console that is capable of playing: Oh wait what!? Ah yeah there's no games (exept Astro Bot but that is basically it).
I have a PS5 just to play Tekken 8 and SF6. And my Switch is still the only console I look forward to seeing what games are coming out next. I really don't care about the same old generic games being released over and over and the selling points just being improved graphics. At least Nintendo on their highly outdated hardware keep finding something fun to give us!
Instead of making a new console they should focus on making their controllers not horrible.
Its very sad seeing sony is becoming apple now. Live service games arent it for me & wish they pushed out more games im interested in playing.. $80 disk drive & a $30 vertical stand gawd damn.. im very happy with my 2tb og ps5.
Yeah. Ps5 fat come with a stand, ps5 slim stand not included, ps5 pro stand not included. This is “like Apple” behavior.
Nintendo instead of directly competing with MS and Sony created they own league and and in the lead, but also they are far in front of MS and Sony.
I believe both MS and Sony changed the market by opening to PC. Do not get me wrong more people having access to more games is pro customer move. But at the same time it is changing the business model these companies were using for like a few decades.
All 3 earn on selling things in their stores. Every game, mtx, dlc they take 30% cut, on top of that they require customers pay for online which is free on PC. So opening to pc might result in lost console sales. First from people who had both consoles and PCs, later from those who might migrate to PC.
MS was first, with adding games to MS store to leverage their platform, when this did not work as expected they started doing Steam releases day one. Sony which was in better position than MS didn’t have to do it, yet they copied MS which is strange as usually it is the one on last place coping the leader not the other way round.
So they created a situation which now they have to deal with. Gaming will for sure see more changes.
To me ps5 pro for 800eur + disc drive + stand is not worth it. Assuming I have a 1000eur for entertainment budget I would not choose ps5 pro, probably I will choose some other hardware.
3D printers around the world is about to make bank if they can make a better looking and cheaper ps5 stand
The nerve to try and sell the pro for 700 and it doesn't even have a disc drive is so crazy. That's the biggest thing for me. So ridiculous and I really hope they lose millions on this one to maybe wake them tf up.
Like 649€, that would have been my magical line. Selling my ps5 slim and then putting in top the rest. But 800€ and not even a CD-Laufwerk. That’s just a rip off
I don't own a ps5 yet but plan to get one in the new year. I can say for sure I'll not be getting the pro version for that ungodly price
They really didnt read the room with this one. Be surprised if there isnt some sort of pushback ie, including the drive etc. With Switch 2 being just around the corner (at a probable MUCH lower price) Sony seems to be targeting a very small, niche market with this model. The stand just screams greed to me. Its your flagship model... cost would be negatable to Sony but here we are yet again with their arrogance....
Right, im going to throw my PC/Switch gamer opinions into the fray.
When games are still being released cross generation, why the living shit they're releasing a Pro model is beyond me!
To address PSSR, thats basically what we have with nVidia DLSS. Honestly? Its fantastic. Using AI to upscale graphics is far more groundbreaking than Ray Tracing imi, which when used in tandem is fantastic! The big caveat is that it needs patching into previous titles. If a dev isn't prepared to patch it in, then you're SOL.
My main issue is that theres still the "well, if devs want to target 30fps then they can really push the graphics", when the absolute greatest improvement to gameplay is frame rates and seeing as, according to their own stats, 75% of people play in performance mode. The fact that the PS Studios games out on PC will still run better on a current mid tier GPU than PS5 Pro. Guess what? My 4070 that i put onto my 7 year old PC cost €600.
Im not overly fussed about physical games per se, but i sure as shit dont trust console manufacturers to be able to carry forward digital games onto the next generation.
The fact is that indie games do numbers and are way cheaper than the generic AAA games. The real issue with retro is sure, we didnt have day 1 patches but if a game was broken, that was it. We forget the shit games that were broken, and when we get updates it makes the issues more obvious.
I watched this after your SoCal RGE video, and you have a new sub
I literally typed in is the PS5 PRO a joke and this video poped up.I can just say if you're crazy Im right there with you.
Hey Sony, we don't need more consoles. We need more GAMES.
There just pushing people to pc.
It’s even more egregious in Japan
This is the first 6 figure console in Japan.
You have to remember in America 200-700$ console is a big range but all 3 digits. Within the same realm of monetary view.
In Japan. The avg console is around 65,000 yen. That’s like 450$.
A 99,999 + yen console AKA 120,000 yen, is the last thing Japanese want to see.
A WHOLE DIGIT ADDED TO THE VALUE OF CONSOLES AS A WHOLE.
THEY ARE UNANIMOUSLY DISGUSTED.
It’s like seeing 100 dollar games in America when they’re supposed to be 60$ that extra digit is enough to justify me smashing a devs kneecaps
Wow it's my birthday and I just got that same shirt you have on in the thumbnail 😂. I agree 100% with you. I'm disappointed in sony right now
Sony: If you don't like our $700 PS5 Pro, sure you will buy the PS5 30 Yr bundle, right?"😂😂😂😂
This industry sux ass now. Not sure if it'll get close to the early 2000s again.
R.I.P 😢
For 700 800 dollars you can just get a pc handheld rog ally and steam deck and those have way more games than the ps5 pro at this point you might as just get a pc
theres 21 ps5 exclusives, 21. after almost 4 years
insane price i mean what are you even paying for
Will love seeing PS5 games run even worse on the base model since every dev will be optimizing for the garbage pro version, just like how it happened with the PS4 and 3DS
Feels good to be a PCchad
GTA 6 needs alot of power. Sony knows it stutters and stammers running on current console. It's taken near a decade to just make the game. . Think about the Memory it would take to run. The PS 5 is not gonna cut it. But the NEW machine will play GTA 6.
Ps5 runs cyberpunk 2077 at 4K 60 fps on performance mode, im perfectly fine with Gta 6 being 4K 30 fps.
If you really need that smoothness then it will be worth it for you.
Herd the ps6 has the power cable sold separately
lol 😂 wouldn’t surprise me
Bro same here I have a ps2 ps3 I have ps5 not enough games though reason is cause the games on ps5 are way to glitchy 2 everything is censored beyond hell i lost so much interest in ps5 I always rig on ps2 and ps3 the reason I have a ps2 is for deadly alliance deception and Armageddon that’s TRUE KOMBAT
i agree the old days were better for gamers i think greed took over sony mind because they have lost it i will not get a pro ill keep my ps5
Day 1 buy for me lol
The PSVR2 failed, so will the ps5 pro.
Its just a digi with different lid
Facts
Sony has lost there mind 😅😅😅
Facts bro 🤣
If you’re going to spend $700 on a console, just get a PC.
What if I want both lol
I will be . Boycott sony
it's all for the payers...you're not crazy Buddy
You guys have been conditioned to think “Xbox has no games “. I hear that now and just smh.
Graphics mean nothing to me. I care about the story.
Great points
I'll stick to my switch/old Nintendo/emulator. Because modern gaming besides Nintendo is dead now.
If ps5 had Dantes inferno lollipop chainsaw physical copy
Shadows of the damned SPLATTERHOUSE I soooooooo would reconsider ps5 but we end up with fuck you games. Bro you are not old you are like us we are O.G. you are helping ppl to wake them up that’s what I have been trying to do
you speak the truth
I think your PC roots are keeping you grounded. 👍
"Console enthusiasts" waste their money.
The PS5 is straight garbaged and thats coming from a hardcore playstation collector.
They need to make that ConTurd money back somehow right? Investors will be happy, we just rack the price and let the fanboys pay up for our mistakes!!.....yaaaa, no Sony, going to PC. Buying the Switch 2 over that crap.
Day 1 purchase.
The Ps5 has to be a 🤣 joke.
Vote with your wallet and switch to pc.
NO F GAMES......This generation is garbage.
700 dollaz ain't shit to Chad Warden. Chad Warden wipes his ass with 700 dollaz. 700 dollaz ain't shit. Sheeit.