Legion Review - 6 Months In - WoW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- Legion is 6 months old, so here's an initial review going over all of major features of the expansion, and sharing my thoughts of them. If you've been on the fence wondering if you should get this expansion or not, hopefully this video will help.
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Had a few people requesting something like this. Hope it helps you get a good feel of what the expansion is like if you're on the fence about it. Basically, the TLDW is lots of features, but lots of RNG and grinding. You'll most likely enjoy it if you don't mind grinds, and you don't mind having a finish line that's hard(or impossible) to reach.
Small correction(thanks to Loki): The warforging stuff started in Pandaria, not Draenor like I said in the video. Sorry about that - chalk that up to me being a Pandaria casual.
Enjoy the video!
Warforging was not introduced in WoD but sooner in MoP during Isle of Thunder patch.
THUNDERFORGE!
Similar name, same thing. It was called warforged in SoO.
Ooh adding an annotation to correct this. Thanks Loki!
Warforging/Titanforging is NOT the worst thing because some people could enjoy it. The alt and duel spec killing Artifact grind cant possibly be enjoyable for any person
I love grinding.
People who are lazy complain about it. I get a sense of accomplishment once i've grinded enough. Others just want everything for free by turning in a couple of quests. lmfao
Oh you are growing fast! Fun to see :D
I've been watching your videos for quite a while now. As always, I love them. This is by far the longest one I've seen that you've made. You managed to keep me watching the entire time. (I noticed you got a hell of a lot more subs now)
Have been playing since vanilla, and this is probably the best, in my opinion, WoW has been since TBC and Wrath.
Legion brings a great mix of stuff we are used to, with new stuff. The grinds can be annoying but ultimately pay off if you play enough, and with so many ways to get gear you wont be bored if you push yourself to go do new things you think you might not like. (this is coming from a guy who usually only PVPs, but once the game made me get out there I realized the rest of the game is really quite fun.. or at least a good distraction.)
Demon hunters are pretty cool, my new main for sure. Havoc is really fun and even vengeance is great.
A few cons would be, some classes have been super simplified. Simple is good, but not if they dont flow right.
I never have played a tank before and find myself reaching out to play DPS and tank (as well as heals on my pally) just to switch the playstyle up, so maybe that was their intention, idk.
Being a huge PVP fan, I can say that things are not great. I can deal with the template situation for what it is, and the fucked up world pvp scaling (it might be wonky sometimes but that is MMO PVP for you, when has WoW not been like that sometimes?)
My biggest complaint is the lack of attention to PVP variety.... but that seems to be changing as 7.2 brings quite a few much needed additions to PVP that I am really excited for.
finally, 7.2 I am excited for. The flying grinds really can suck but in the end feel really rewarding.. like it means something kind of how mounts used to be in vanilla, or flying was in TBC. The class mounts...eh the ones I will be getting are kinda dumb.
Your videos is allways great!!! Thanks bro!
you deserve way more subscribers man, great work!
The content of Legion is excellent. Mythic Keystones are a great addition. AP and Legendaries need revising. They don't ruin the game, they just could have been done a lot better.
I personally would put a cap on the amount of activated points per week, sort of like how the Suramar campaign is locked until next week. You could still put your AP into your main weapon to plan ahead, or cap it and work on other weapons or alts. The amount of grind required to reach max is a huge problem, and I'd rather the game encourage your mindset about it.
As far as Legendaries, this isn't my idea but I think it's the best. Just force us to use a damage item and a utility item. That way utility items have value to us.
Every single WoW player was constantly complaining about there being nothing to do in WoD, so they asked the Blizzard team for some kind of grind in order to do something other than transmog runs, so Blizzard implemented it.
Now everyone is complaining about the AP because it's too "grindy"? Dumbest shit i've ever heard.
Agree on everything you say there Banshee Lost! :)
I don't mind RNG or grind, but it is too real and much in Legion. Oh, and it isn't very "alt-friendly" (But it has improved, compared to launch).
And about the AP farm, yes it is good to have something to do, but if you grind x-amount or have more time to play than others: you'll have more of an advantage. I would like a system where the "paragon levels" on the artifact was cosmetic. Imagine weapon glows and effects, that would remove the "need" for grinding out the artifact to be fully competitive and still show their "grind" ;)
Love the world quests (Bounties ;) , great addition to WoW! There is more I like than hate in Legion for sure!
But not sure about what to think about legendaries (maybe too Diablo'esk?). But I like equipping a legendary, but the RNG is real xD
Blizzard seems to have a mantra that says: "Everything is fixable with RNG", the artifact is a nice nod to that. The % increase was changed to a proc, aka the "paragon levels".
Thunderspear I think PvP was supposed to be their excuse to say this is the most alt friendly expansion ever, since the barrier to entry now is literally get to max level and... go PvP. But, so many players don't even touch PvP because it used to have a time investment required or else you'll just lose constantly. Now that's no longer the case, but people are stuck in their ways.
Thunderspear Actually, wait no. that's my biggest complaint. No content for PvP. It's almost as if it was a conscious decision to NOT make content for PvP, knowing that we'd be busy with PvE.
Banshee Lost I feel your pain, truly. I am a PvE'er, don't dabble much with PvP. But PvP in WoW has always gotten the shortest "end" in WoW. There is a reason why there are PvP mounts. But compare PvE content to the PvP content released. PvP'ers got two new arenas in legion, TWO....
Okai the overhaul ofc, huge job. Guess the system has some flaws and benefits, nothing wrong with player skill VS player skill, not gear vs gear (Which is random(?) ) ? :)
such a good video. Thank you. I learned alot.
Just wanted to let you know that the overall formatting of this video was really well done. I don't know how much you prepared for this video in advance but it really does seem like you put a lot of time into it. Really well made video all around keep up the good work. :D
Thanks brother. It means a lot! Glad you enjoyed it.
Very well done Madseason, I thoroughly enjoyed this video and as a player returning to Legion after quitting some time after launch, I got a great sense of what was going on and I'm very excited to get into it. It was both very informative and didn't spoil anything for me. Thanks for the awesome content and keep doing what your doing!
I like your videos, very easy to understand and organised.
good job MadSeason....enjoyed your take on it
Hey MadSeason, Really enjoy your videos including this one. If I may ask, if you do have the time and opportunity, can you link or upload your addons library and settings for them? Really enjoy the layout of it.
Good overview. I just came back 10 days ago and still feel a so much like a noob^^
fantastic video. I agree completely. legion was my intro into WoW, and I've loved it. I also love the grind so it's perfect for me.
Great video!
Great video. Very straightforward.
Great informative Video, helped me decide to buy it.
Yo, really liked your Evolution of WoW. Is episode 2 coming out anytime soon?
Subbed , back into wow after 6 mo I want to supprt the wow focus creators with depth and quality passion an intelligence. So thanks for the time :)
wow community is never happy I give you that mate after so many content droughts they are finally getting content they are still crying
I can't believe it's been 6 months. Time flys when you're having fun. I'm actually raiding and I can't believe it. I never thought I'd raid in wow but I am and loving it. I've nearly cleared the legion dungeon hero achievement with my guild. Only need two achieves from Violet Hold. I love the focus on the main. WoD created altcentric gameplay that was not for me. I love the artifact weapon grind. Finally I can grind in the open world and get player power. Power that stays with your character through raiding. Before artifact weapons the only reason to venture into the open world for player power was to get raid ready through rep vendors. The gear you got from rep vendors became obsolete compared to raid gear. Once everyone got raid gear (including LFR) the world would become vacant and I would only see Alts and farmers (ah mats) in the open world. That's not the case in Legion and I'm so grateful for it.
The only downside is the legendary system but blizzard is solving that problem in 7.2 by letting us pick our legendaries, as it should be. Legion is BY FAR the best xpac to date.
Kevin Rex I see where you're coming from. More than you know. But an INFINITE cap on your main's grind investment is not the way to go. I wasn't too into the alt gameplay of warlord's either, but keep in mind what that gameplay mostly was. Log into the next alt, push the big red button, log out and go to the next one. Imagine if Legion's content was mostly unchanged but it WAS an alt friendly expansion. At least to where you'd have time every week to consider working on other characters. You'd WANT to do it because you'd look forward to doing the content in a slightly different way.
Kevin Rex kinda hard to judge the other expansions when u haven't even raided them. Legion is good, but Is far from being the best
Kevin Rex h
Caleb Sefton Being a raider since Vanilla doesn't really give any insight as to why you disagree.. If you disagree just say why, no need to preface it with "OG VANILLA PLAYER HERE"
AleChugger Smith he never said that calm ur ass down
Raids are absolutely spectacular. I didn`t even raid since Cata,and along with full time demanding job,managed to find time to raid in Legion... great atmosphere, fantastic raids. Emerald nightmare is phenomenal,the music, the visuals...all of it - so amazing.
Nighthold also,really epic feel to it. And I loved the dog boss in ToV :D...so many enjoyable things tbh. Demon hunters probably being my favorite addition ever to this game,since I wanted a Demon hunter since I started playing in TBC
Great video
good stuff man.
There's probably room for improvement with the world quests. Like perhaps tie some progression into some of them. Regardless it's still a great feature because it makes use of the world and I believe they added new world quests to the game for each area months after release so they can definitely add things to it to keep it alive and less repetitive.
Hey, MadSeasonShow! Actually, Class Order Hall can be pretty lucrative. I don't know how lucrative they are in comparison to WoD garrisons, because I returned to the game closer to the end of previous expansion, but having 5 lvl 110 characters I make 9k gold on average per day by just sending followers on missions. So it's pretty much a monthly sub plus some extra by just clicking mouse buttons.
I see you have the masterplan addon installed. I have too but mine dont work. Any ideas?
cool video man thanks
your content is really reallly reaaaaaaallly (no for real man really) good !
While it's true that MMO's are almost always about grinding things out it is important to note that hiding said grind behind something fun is very important. The RNG just sucks the fun out of getting legionaries, I got a Prydaz on my DH the other day and all I felt was disappointment and regret.
great vid
Around 2:32 I almost spotted an emotion in his voice
The issue with the legendary drops you touch on is an interesting one. How do people feel it can be 'fixed'? Prehaps when you are lucky enough to get the legendary drop, it gives you the option to choose from a selection so you get the item you prefer. I dunno it's a tough one.
Knowing how rare it is for you to get a really good legendary piece to drop, makes me so much more happy and appreciative that i got a legendary shoulders " Ice Time " which not only makes my spec but fits perfectly with my frost mage for its legit name ^_^
Item level 970 like dayum... And that dropped for me while i was levelling from 104 to 110 after coming back into WoW.
Legion is great. I really enjoy that you have so many things to do.
My only problem is that the patches are released to fast. I go to work everyday and I have other things to do. In my freetime I play the game and my main is pretty well geared and so on, but I don´t have time to level up / gear up my alts.
I would really like to experience other order hall campaigns but I simply don´t have time for it.
Unlocking artifact appearances gave me something to do and a reason to play alts
I like that Legion is nice to me. Cuz instead of changing Spec. I have one character that ONLY are one Spec. I think focus on one spec is the way to go.
Man I miss legion,I remember when this video came out. I had just got back into wow after growing up watching /paying and finally and got into end game and tried pusing harder raids and all the good stuff that came with end game legion. I really doubt we will ever see a classic legion but I would kill to go back for peak legion.
I really liked it when there were a few more small raids in the game, like in Wrath or BC.They should definitely reintroduce it instead of just one single big raid. More variety.
Game will be fine once 7.2 comes. Flying is gonna be so good. I played for 2 months now, and I just wanna wait for flying really...
7.2 destroyed the game for me. THe unlimited paragon trait is just idiotic.
Spike Master, 7.2 Hasn't yet come out and your game is already destroyed... damn dude.
Well from what I know from what I have tested, I don't even care how good the raids are, the fact that they're making an even bigger grind, is just so painful to see.
Forgot to add the items might get a socket spot at random
The RNG is the only thing keeping me away. I've played a large amount of Legion, gotten to the end of Heroic raids very early on in the expansion's release. The fact that many players will be given gold, and only gold, from the entire raid; where one player might receive the legendary items and highly upgraded drops. Since depending on your class's dps output (which is changed monthly if not weekly), and rather you're lucky enough for good gear drops, you wont be allowed to join Raids. You'll be unable to obtain items, if you're not lucky to obtain items.
These two issues push me far away. But I would love for them to be solved, or reduced in their intensity.
Don't misunderstand, "grinding" isn't my issue. It's the emptiness that people and I know and myself feel when completing something. Obtaining nothing but gold from pushing yourself through all the challenges in the game while someone else is able to accidentally get everything they need to progress, is frustrating.
Hey mate!
Have you actually ever said what class you're maining? :D Just interested!
I've heard there was suppose to be quite a long break after 7.1.5 and that 7.2 will be launched in the summer.
Sure hope not, it's on PTR getting developed, the raid doesn't come with the patch, so it can come way sooner. Nighthold was in the game files in 7.0.3 but not in until 7.1.5, don't think it will be any different, 7.2.5 will bring the raid & class tuning.
I thought the general concensus was that 7.2 wouldn't be released until the summer... some people saying as late as August. Why do you believe it will drop next month?
Professions took a hit in Legion. And alts are incredibly hard to keep up compared to any prior expansion (which also affects Professions, because you now need to spend a good amount of time on a max level character to get your Profession recipes unlocked). Gathering is fine, but crafting is way harder to advance and the payoff is.....less than world quests.
Are you sure we will get 7.2 in 1 month? I think we will see it at or after May.
Nah no guarantees - just a guess of mine. There was a recent blizz post saying that all of the major features are on there for the most part...just bugs to work out now. Could be longer like you said though
@madseasonshow I thought if your keystone becomes 'depleted' all you need to do is complete another mythic to recharge it and then you can continue on?.
what's the healing add-on you have here?
Keystones is basically the same in D3 greater RIfts and world quests.
Lots of stuff similar to D3 actually. World quests = adventure mode, mythic+ = rifts(with the mobs even having affixes), etc.. Even a lot of the abilities are the same(paladin charger and swirly hammer off the top of my head). Maybe that's why we never get any patches in that game...everyone on the dev team moved to WoW!
Yea I know... I feel like WOW is the weaker version of D3 because you need to fly to each of those items and run on mounts versus the instant waypoint in D3. Running around in D3 doesn't even feel slow, but running around on a mount on a map 10000x bigger than D3 makes it feel way more boring.
I'm pretty sure what makes it an MMO is the Massively Multiplayer Online part.
True dat! That was another big problem with Draenor. In addition to the low sub numbers, everyone was afk in their garrison. No community = Minorly Multipalyer Online Roleplaying Game
I would love to know how that myth started.
could i please know what are the addons you are using?
great video!
only negative i have to say about the expansion, is the class balance on some classes/spec, and too much grinding if you want to play with alts or offspecs, both gear, legendary and ap. thats not saying its bad. it still beats MoP and WoD..
I think legion is great but it's downfall is rng. The fact that you could be denied to raids just because you have bad luck is ridiculous.
And bad class design .... thank me later
showfighter785 I have seen players performed well even though they don't have bis legendaries and they even get it afterwards u just need to keep playing that's all
Class design is better than ever before imo.
@Gandalf Den Grå ... Nice joke i laugh later :O
Daniyal Khalid I have a legendary, but the system is horrible. I prefer how legendaries were
Distributed in past expansions through quests. This meant that if you wanted the legendary, you could get it. Now it's a dice roll which legendary you even get IF you get one.
The biggest issue with M+ is that it actually rewards too much for the content that you have to do. I raid Mythic content, and the rewards that we get for putting in much more time and effort, as well as being restricted in more ways, is even less than that of groups that farm M+ dungeons. Raiding, in my mind, should give you the best gear, because it does require a lot more effort and time, but it's much easier to spam M+ content for AP and gear, which because there is no limit to how many times you can do them, will give you more chances at Warforged and Titanforged pieces, as well as the insane amount of AP you get to max out your weapons. In ToV and NH, the further you progress into the raid, the higher the ilvl of the drops, but the highest the baseline goes is 910, by killing Mythic Gul'dan. Of course, that has a chance to Warforge and Titanforge as well, but because you are only capable of doing that content once a week, your chances are actually a lot smaller.
I like that they're making dungeons a viable end-game, but there should be a limit to how many you can spam a week. Right now, if you want gear and AP, M+ is more lucrative. The only reason to hop into a raid would be for your tier pieces and cosmetic rewards. As someone who does both, it feels far too out of balance.
This has to be my favorite expansion yet, its got great story telling the questing is really good, mythic + is a massive improvment to the dungion system, raids are as good as they ever have been, though I do admit to not doing them much due to not being in a guild atm. Pvp.. I don't care to be honest I used to like it but its just there for me, maybe I'll jump in to a bg here and there but nothing to moan or preach about. The artifact system is meh, if it doesn't return next expansion I won't miss it but I don't dislike it at the same time. Also world quests are a welcome addition to the game, they give me something to do or gather instead of being idle. Over all its a damn good expansion I really don't know why people find it boring but we are all different and have different views on anything in life :P
No doubt and that's fine :)
I like Legion generally so far, only problems for me are Titanforging and legendary System,(pvp isnt that good either but why should i care, i dont play pvp), I havent had any problems with AP system tho(im in a mythic guild), i havent grinded for it at all, so yeah, pretty good so far, I really wanna see ToS and the new dungeon, and ofc argus, keep up the content going btw! Nice vids!
As a main PvP'er I have to say PvP is better than ever.
90% of pvpers disagree. All the top players are playing because of sponsorships.
And I disagree. The smoothed stats system in instanced PvP is, by far, the best PvP system WoW has ever had BY DEFINITION. PvP is indeed better than ever.
Not being able to outplay people because you only have 5 spells is not that great. Since PVP is so "good", why is it so dead? Joining a battleground after 15 mins with only 6/10 people in group.
You're probably in US then. Besides, I've got way more than 5 buttons and I never wait more than 5mins for a BG even at 4 AM. My weird spec is precisely all about outplays too. But I guess it depends on what you choose to play.
I miss legion
if you got bored from these raids after two months like I did, I recommend guild wars 2 or black desert online
Nice video, bud.
As for now ( 7.1.5 ) 925 ilvl as highest next patch 945 or 950 unknown yet
In terms of leveling: didnt they introduce the whole scaling system in legion? Not really the same pattern as last expansions
Might wanna mention about professions? Everyone forgot about this.
What addon do you use to get that bar on the top of the screen?
That's titanpanel. Here's a link: mods.curse.com/addons/wow/titan-panel
Thanks mate :)
good video.
When you did not succedd to do your key in time, you can run it again at the same difficulty to get a new one. You won't get any loot for this one depleted run though
I started 1 month ago and now I have a pala lvl 91 warrior lvl 100 and demon hunter lvl 100...
I think they made it way better to lvl your char.
The two big things that I don't like about the expansion is legendaries (because of super high amount of RNG into getting one) and trying to manage AP being a hybrid class that switches from DPS to heals. Also to some extent the expansion hasn't been that alt friendly. Other than that, think the expansion is great.
My keystone is depleated (probably didn't spell it right) will i get any loot?
Not in the end of the dungeon but it counts for the weekly order hall chest.
WoW being an mmorpg and i liking story over all.. i would say this expansion has a nice mix of everything that i like in an mmorpg.. The story is good and mostly interesting.. I am one that doesn't mind a bit of grinding.. but only if it doesn't go overboard.. if it is for something awesome.. i don't mind a longer grind.. but if it is for something mundane like a hand full of gold i get kinda irritated over.. I think the ap grind should only have to be done once per character per class.. so my main for instance is a druid.. all my ap should just transfer over if i change specs.. this will make the game more friendly to spec changes.. imo of course..
We're going to face another long content drought if ToS is the final raid. A New xpac hasn't been announced yet, and likely won't (IMO) until Blizzcon this year, which means release is early to mid 2018 ... leaving us with probably 12+ months w/o a major content patch. Mythic+ is only gonna last for so long. Not sure there are any raids beyond ToS planned for Legion.
Brian Cherrick You clearly havent been paying attention. There is a 7.3 patch planned and that is when we will be going to Argus which is the Legion's homeworld and fight them. No content droughts to be worried about.
I don't like warforging/titanforging, I could see myself being ok with it being able to warforge once, +5 ilvls. No random sockets or other stats.
Legendaries should not be as easy to obtain as they are today, and theres way too many of them. Some are too strong,some are too weak, even though they've made that gap smaller.
Artifacts.. I just feel stuck in one path, this is something that eventually goes away,but is still a very big problem before you get there since the grind is too long to be competative in multiple specs. This is also something that hinders alts.
I really like World quests, big improvement over daily quests, with its recharge and variety.
Class halls are pretty much nothing? I don''t even notice that i'm there. Thankfully the mission table is pretty much obsolete.
PvP is as its been the last 2 expacs, I don''t have too much of a problem with it. It's been out of whack since MoP.
The gameplay for some classes such as Mages are greatly improved, whereas Warlocks are at their worst.
As someone who did a lot of CMs back in mop/wod, I can safely say that I'm never stepping foot in a mythic+ disgrace again.
Randomized every week, massive grindfest of the same short dungeons over and over.
I can't comment on the raiding scene, as I don't raid whatsoever.
Overall Legion,for me, has been the worst, ever. I barely log on, and when I do, it's basically just to do some 3s with my friends.
Liked the video for honesty. Wouldn't play Legion if they paid me.
Best expansion so far in terms of content. I'm actually loving doing Mythic dungeons and even properly doing raid progression with the guild. It was close for me with WOTLK, but i think Legion has taken the spot as my fav. I will say, Im not a fan of the legendary system, having certain classes only able to perform well IF they have a very specific legendary, kinda kills the class for me (Looking at you arms warriors)
if I'm being objective as i can possibly be, givem that tbc is my fav and I'm horribly rose tinted towards it, i must admit that legion definitely rivals tbc as the best expansion. it gives it a run for its money.
i didnt know mythics were infinite, so i was thinkin in next X-pac that lvls us, i find a guildy at 110 and and run him through mythics while in group of 115 or 120's.see how high it can go...
Good job MadS
Legion for me still the worst exp from my gameplay aspect since Wotlk > Pandaria > others than Legion , btw keep the good work and information for us !
Thanks for watching, Primal, and for sharing your thoughts! It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea. What's your outlook on future expansions? Or do you think Legion was the last one for you?
Legion is my favorite expac since WotLK. Unfortunately, I have had to stop playing due to a personal financial crisis and lack of employment. The only thing that rubs me wrong about this expac is the Legendary items and titan-forging. There is so much content filled in Legion, a big welcome change from WoD which was plain awful when it came to endgame content. I don't pvp so I don't follow pvp problems, but I hear they are big and almost game breaking, however I know that the pvp crowd can be the hardest to please in MMO's, but from what I hear it isn't just spoiled players begging for balance, there are real problems.
Also, I'd really like it if Blizzard could use the old world they created (post-cata kalimdor and eastern kingdoms) for a variance in quest hubs/invasion areas. I really enjoyed the pre-legion event. If that were to be scattered all around the world, with enough daily quests around the world for you to pick your favorite 3-5 zones each day, that'd be great. Also, maybe to add some challenge, if a zone is under legion invasion, don't allow flying. Have certain zones under invasion during set times, phased only for people at level 110. Force people to go out and explore the areas. It's depressing how little the eastern kingdoms and kalimdor continents get used.
Your videos are great, but you need a mic with some better quality my man :)
I think the likelihood of us seeing 7.2 in the next month is HIGHLY unlikely. A lot of guilds have yet to clear heroic NH and if you are even something like 4/10 mythic NH and 3/3 mythic ToV you're in the realm of top 1000 guilds in the US. A month would be like getting the top 3% of raiders through the most current end game content and then to immediately throw a new patch at us I think is just really unlikely.
RNG loot (especially war forged and titanforged), the same levelling quests as world quests and legendaries killed the expac for me. I enjoyed M+, and artefact weapons were interesting, but that's about it. So for now, I'm over it. Probably be back next expac.
I have an unpopular opinion about this one but I think Legion is best I've had fun since Wrath of the Lich King. Maybe this is because a lot of my old guildies came back, and we are having fun again, but I really enjoy this expansion. The fact I still play it after 6 months tells enough. If only I had more time and could start hardcore raids as in good old days :(. Real life kinda sucks.
the gearing system with the titanforging pisses me off this whole 6 months
Your voice is so fluid....
Pros 1. Great raids 2. World quests good alternatives to dailies 3. Mythic + dungeon 4. Artifact power traits (until u get to 34, then it's a con) cons 1. Warforge/Titanforge 2. Legendary system 3. Artifact "paragon traits" 4. Pvp is just really bad 5. A lot of classes aren't as fun to play anymore, and some are just brain dead. Overall I think legion is good, although it does have its share of problems
Alex Wells I heard a lot of people say that. That their class is miserable to play. I play a Shadow Priest / Disc Priest off-spec and Spriest has been AWESOME. Disc can be quite overwhelming, but definitely far from boring.
Banshee Lost I didn't say all classes, for example I main fury warrior which I really enjoy playing. I just stopped playing some of my other classes cause they were boring, like my old ret pally main
I started playing a month or so before Cata and my main has always been a BM Hunter. It is now so boring. No strategy. No variation. Just a 3 button click fest.
Legion is still pretty good but of course some people are getting bored, and it's perfectly normal. The only thing I don't like about legion is that it's probably the most time consuming we have seen for a very long time. The legendary / AP / M+ farm is a bad concept imo, but they are working towards fixing it with every patch. Only problem, when they have completly fixed it, we will probably hit another xpac :P
The atm grinding is nothing compared to Vanilla. Still people are praising their shitty old version of the game x)
RIP Affliction Warlocks.
Theres no +1 Keystone, +1 is normal Mythic, first Key you can get is +2. Also if you didnt complete it in time you don't have to wait for the next week to get a new one. You can just try again (without loot though) and if you make it in time you will get a new one.
Also they announced in the Q&A that with 7.2 it will be much easier to get "offspec" legendaries.
Unless you have like 2-3 cross-spec utility legendaries, they will still count to your offspecs, instead of starting at 0
The leveling was OK, one time. For alts it's still too railroaded and forced, despite being able to choose the order of the zones. Especially before they relaxed the requirement for world quests to be just level 110 instead of 110 AND all reps at friendly, this was a pain in the ass for an altoholic.
And crafted gear is useless crap again. In WoD at least you could make (ultimately) powerful stuff, even though garrisons themselves killed gathering professions. Now all professions are plagued by insane RNG, and even leveling them requires doing a lot of busy-work.
Usually by now I have many max level alts and crafting like a fool. Not this time around.
Yeah I found the Suramar story really boring because of how its stretched out and gated with rep. It feels like it took forever not just a few hours like any of the other zones. The city was quite laggy too so it put me off going there.
yeah,i've been sitting after WOD and waiting to see how it's going to develop,don't get me wrong, you really made a great helpful video, but I'm still too disappointed with wow..the wound of WOD still is too big..nontheless,thanks for the info, Great video,really.
I thought the leveling was way better in WoD
Legion is the best expansion to date!
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I Dont understand all the hate towards warforging/titanforging. Its an upgrade on a piece that for the most part seems to end up being disenchant loot anyways and the 1 in 50 times it ends up being awesome, I get excited. I dont mind grinds though.
Im a casual player. well semi-hardcore iguess. I dont see this being an issue for anyone really/ Unless theyre beyond unlucky. I mean you can get 840 ilbl from a day of WQ's after 110 then a handful of mythics later you should be around 880. I dont get it.
Too much QQ for me.
People here are just looking for a reason to talk bad about the game to justify (as if there was a reason to justify anyways..) why they are not playing. Even though they are not even affected as players who don't intend to play on the highend (mythic tier/progress raiding, mythic+20, r1 gladiators) they act as these problems would make the game unplayable.
Also it's funny to see those who are constantly bragging about how they are playing only on vanilla servers also commenting about how shitty the grinding in Legion is *lol*
You forgot to comment on crafting (which sucks, btw). Also, you don't know that we're going to Argus in patch 7.3???
Yes and gathering too, when it comes to 3 star recipes, gathering 10000s of ore/herbs and not having 3 star is beyond simple "low drop chance RNG"
Same for making flasks etc.
i much prefered the lore themes of 7.0 questing to 6.0, but i 6.0 zones are more fun, more repeatable on alts i think
Legion for me is good as far as storytelling and the questing/leveling process goes.
I'm not that big on dungeons or raids and I'm in WoW for the PvP aspect.
In every expansion, the PvP always lacked that one thing. In MoP and WoD it felt like I had no customization to my spec or how I could play, with Legion they brought in the PvP talents which I thought was an excellent addition onto the game. Artifacts are alright I guess, but instead of the PvP lacking in one thing this expansion, it's been lacking in quite a few things.
I don't like the way you get PvP gear now. You no longer buy it from a vendor, rather, you get it purely based on RNG. I actually loved how back then I could grind for PvP points and buy the gear I wanted, it was nice, but now it's reduced to just RNG? This really throws me off.
Not to mention, they have all of these legendary items which are very over powered in PvP. They obviously made these legendary items intended to be used in PvE, but they messed up and it can also be very effective in PvP.
I'm disappointed with a part of Legion because of this, as I loved the PvP of the game but now it seems stale and only the grindy hardcore players can keep up.
It's really sad, and wish it didn't come to this. I've realized that in expansions where the numbers/stats get to high, (for example, how Cataclysm had the huge health numbers such as 700K+) the PvP gets really stale. In Legion, the health is now up to 2000K+, and the PvP is also stale. They need another stat squish in my opinion.
Excuse me, but the fact that you seemingly are not aware that all Item-effects, including Legendaries, are disabled in instanced PvP, kind of disqualifies your statement a bit.
The rng thing is debatable. For sure, saying you miss the feeling of "finally buying that peace of gear you worked towards the last 2 weeks" is a legit point, even though (in my opinion) a minor point, considering it got replaced with random but more frequent gain of equip. Also, raiting/gs scaling is a thing that I like and that replaces the old "the higher ur rating the faster u'll earn your epics".
Anyways, this whole gear thingy doesn't have that much weight anymore. Most rated groups doesn't give to much of a shit about your gear, as long as your are about something like 860gs, which isn't too hard to reach. The grinding thing may be a point PvE'ers complain about, but it's nothing PvP'ers have to worry about, as long as they are not aiming to be rank 1 and a 1% difference might win the game.
Your complain about how big numbers are, is a thing I never understood. While health numbers are rising, damage and healing are too. It's not the size of those numbers in generell that makes PvP fast or slow or stale, it's their propotion to each other. Besides maybe an aesthetic aspect, it's no difference if you see a 3k or a 3000k.
I hope you don't feel personally attacked, considering I contradicted nearly every point you made, and hope you may think about what I explained. I'm not saying PvP is perfect, I too think there has to change alot, but I won't go onto this this time. I'm I'm just saying it took a step into the right direction. have a good day!
Tenyo O Oh no it's fine. I didn't feel attacked. Thanks for clarifying a bit, and I understand that while being in a PvP instance the effects of legendaries are nullified, alot of focus has been brought down to world PvP as well.
I understand that while in a PvP instance they try to make the playing field evened out, but outside it wouldn't. I have PvP gear on my priest, but because of these legendaries, (for example, there's a legendary giving you a shield for 20-25% of your maximum health every so often) it makes it really unbalanced. Or the legendary for hunter that makes it to where if you Feign Death you restore about 15% of max HP and then a few more after moving is also sort of broken.
The RNG as you said is debatable, but personally I liked buying my pieces off the vendor, and so did many others.