I love the idea of electronic for all your cited reasons. Bought a new ego and the mulching was awful. A cheap gas mower was mulching twice as well. Returned it that week and bought a Honda.
Thanks for sharing. it is getting better as the years go by. but yah, i found if you aren't mowing a few times per week you shouldn't be mulching with these mowers.
For my 5,000-ish square foot lawn, battery powered is perfectly fine. For people on the fence, I'd suggest grabbing a cheap clearance model at the end of the season when stores are trying to clear out their stock. That way, it's a much smaller financial risk if it turns out that you don't like it. By way of example, I bought a $650 EGO mower at Lowe's last month that was marked down to $162, and they still have a bunch of $200 80V Kobalts and hanging out in the garden center.
Thanks Ginja for the rivew. I'm almost sold on battery. The only con besides power is the fact that you would have to commit to a brand to lower cost. If batteries were universal, like AA or the button batteries that can be use on anything no matter the brand gas would really become obsolete
I have the exact same mower. I had mine a few months ago and cuts very well with nice stripes with the plastic flap in the back. I also called Toro for the rear discharge at no cost. I drilled 2 holes the 1st day I got my mower to fit my Big League Check Mate striping kit. I really like my battery operated mower. I got rid of my Toro gas mower I had for several years. Less maintenance with the battery operated one with no gas and oil to worry about.
I looked at my mowing habits this past year. Currently have an old Toro recycler with B&S 190CC. 38 mows this year, averaging 6 days per mow. Usually that is a 3.5"-4" HOC, taking off 2"+ every time. I can't ever imagine taking half an inch off the top, else i need to be mowing every other day or so. Not possible, it always seemed to rain when i would try to get an extra mow in. A Max Power blade made all the difference in my mulching quality, no more wet clumps on the lawn. The electric mowers look great for those homeowners who are not as meticulous with their yards, or love to mow very frequently, like maybe a smaller yard, or don't have the lawn type (tall fescue) and growth I do. Looking at getting a new model Super Recycler with the 190 CC next year. Maybe i need to stop fertilizing?
love the comment mark. the hoc issue is resolved by mowing over the area twice. i find gas powered mowers encounter the same issue but it requires scalping much more off the top as your saying.
I've used a twin force 40v Green works mower for years now. I don't miss the pain in the ass push mower. I'll be taking delivery of a new Ego 56v 2 stage snow blower this coming Wednesday 👍
I am not sold on them yet; my state is telling that in a few years it will be all I can buy here. I have had my toro gas power 13 years still starts on first or second pull. As always Ginja thanks for all the useful information.
i set my sail with EGO and have not looked back...all my gas mowers were Toros with honda engines but i do NOT miss the nuisances of clogged ports in carb, etc...no problem with plastic bodies either...lighter and strong and unless you are off roading, these do the trick...i cut my grass every 2-3 days and on my 4th season and same battery
I’ve got the kobalt 80v 5ah mower for my 5,000 square foot tall fescue and it is awesome. I’ve had it for two seasons (April to October) and it shows no signs of slowing down. Like you said, no maintenance other than sharpening the blade. Since you mentioned the “striper”, my kobalt actually stripes pretty well.
Thanks for being one of the only honest reviews on this mower. You accurately provided the good and bad points about this mower. I have this mower and a 5200 square ft. thick tall turf fescue "carpet-like" lawn. Battery powered machines just don't "cut it" for my yard unless I mow every 2-3 days. I have tried a few top rated models from different manufacturers. This mower leaves a trail of clippings down the right side of the deck if the grass gets a bit tall. I don't think the "Vortex" feature does anything noticeably better than my other my other battery mowers without this feature. The blade has a lower sail as most battery mowers do to preserve run time so you're never going to have the suction that you can get with gas mowers. I tried a Gator blade on it but the cut was no better, it still left debris on the lawn and it ran the battery down faster. I did replace the front wheels with ones from the Super Recycler. While the stock one look cool, they are cheap plastic bearing units and the very squared off edge profile made it difficult to initiate gradual turns in the grass, like going around trees, etc. where you are not really picking up the front end of the mower. They seem very "grabby" when trying to turn. The Super Recycler wheels have ball bearings and a slightly rounded edge profile which helps here. My unit's personal pace seemed to require too much effort to get it moving, compared to my other personal pace mowers, and I found that by removing 1 revolution from the Personal pace handle return spring it made all the difference...much better. I dislike the auto blade speed controller...I guess on Super recyclers you now have a switch to maintain high speed if desired. Under the deck the front baffle is held on by a couple of screws and has a gap where grass always gets stuck. I used a silicone adhesive on the backside of that gap to seal this up. That baffle has a bump-out profile which is supposed to allow for some overflow relief for the blade, but I don't know how well that works since mine leaves clippings on the lawn unless I am taking VERY little off the top. On level ground my front left (non discharge side) wheel does not contact the ground like the other 3 wheels (poor manufacturing?) I dislike the wheel adjusters but can live with them. Thanks again for the great video!
Happy to help and I really appreciate you noticing my passion for proper reviews. I recently released a review comparing this mower to the ego. basically outlining everything you mentioned above.
I have a Kobalt 80V 5Ah and it works flawlessly. I mow 2k sq/ft and I don’t use up more than a 1/4 battery. Last year I had Bermuda and even on the thickest parts it wouldn’t bog. It would automatically kick into overdrive and drop down as soon as it went past the think section. Now with my Tall Fescue it mows even easier. I wouldn’t hesitate buying an electric mower for a home owner with a yard smaller than about 8k size.
Like all your content. Gotta call you on the more longevity on a steel deck though. Especially after a few years where rust underneath comes into play making the under deck cleanup a PITA. Keep it honest, remember they gave you a free one. The Honda composite decks are the leader for many reasons. Composite decks in a push mower are the way to go. Toro should get on board with this.
you know Don. didn't really think about the issues with rust. My issue with the plastic poly decks is over time they will flex. flex will affect the mow quality. I'm not a big fan of the plastic for that reason. I had some clips explaining this point in detail but the video was running long.
@@pestandlawnginja All good. I'm just big on the poly deck and haven't ever heard a bad thing about them. I don't understand why more manufactures don't use them in the push mower world. I really appreciate your channel and your content. Please keep it coming....
I'm ALMOST sold on battery-powered mowers, just not QUITE yet. Some brands that have the "plastic" decks also offer lifetime warranty. Of course, the product has to be registered. Having said that, I DO have a 40v battery-powered string trimmer (Ryobi) and it works great! 👍 The 4ah (ampere hour) battery, however, takes quite awhile to charge. I just have to be sure to charge it immediately after use.
For me, the best part about the metal deck is not necessarily the longevity, but the weight. The heavier the mower is, the less the bounces around on the lawn and the better the cut. Not that the battery mowers are really that heavy, but the plastic ones are just way too light in my opinion.
I’ve owned my toro mower for 12 years and still runs great. I’ll be very excited to see Toro come out with a reel mower with 60 volts. Then I’ll pull the trigger on a new one. Until then I’ll keep watching my stock of Toro grow.
This fall I didn't want to get more gas for the Timemaster so I only used the 60v Toro. The stragglers drove me crazy. There is nothing like the Toro Timemaster. It is heavier for me since I'm only 5 ft. But the struggle is worth it.
Totally agree! Had my Timemaster since 2012 and then tried the exact battery model shown here. I am very dissapointed. Hate the curved personal pace handle. The old straight linear action design was much better. For a 22" mower the blade is only 21.25". Battery mowers have thinner blades with less lift to increase run time at the expense of cutting performance. On my thick tall fescue lawn it leaves clippings if you try anything more than a very light cut. The square-edge profile of the front wheels looks cool but makes it tougher to make turns around trees where you don't lift the front end. I will only use this battery mower when my lawn is too soggy to use the heavier Timemaster.
I purchased one of these last fall because my gas mower died and this was the only mower left I could buy. I paid about $400 for it which turned out to be a pretty good price. It cuts the grass nicely. And I love how quiet it is compared to gas mowers. BUT..........I do a lot of over seeding using an aerator and the mower's blades don't spin fast enough to pick up the clumps very well. And it also does not pick up the fall leaves as well as a gas mower. I knew these things were going to be problems before I bought it. But I was stuck and had to pull the trigger earlier than I wanted because gas mowers could not be found in my area in the fall. I do like it a lot, but I'd like it a lot more if it had the option to *MANUALLY* increase the blade speed to turbo mode when I need it.
He’s doing great. He’s a big boy. Weighed 70lbs a month ago. Got out of surgery today. some of his tiny teeth on the bottom were having problems. Other than that he’s a fun little dude
I was literally just in Lowe's and looked at mowers. They didn't have one gas powered mower. Everything displayed was electric. I chalked it up to being winter. All the points you brought up are perfect for a spacially challenged area like my seasonal campground. Standing up on end, it would store nicely in my small shed.
I bought the 60v Toro mower, string trimmer, and snow blower. So bam, THREE batteries available for any of those jobs. The batteries are heavily discounted when packaged with a tool compared to buying tool and battery separately. We have 10,000+ sq-ft of lawn. Most trims only need one battery, and it's a 10 second swap to a second battery if needed. The Toro mower easily hammers through thick weeds that my neighbor's gas mower constantly stalls out on. The Toro is torque-sensitive and it will speed up when needed to cut through thicker stuff. The power push assist is sensitive to how hard you push the handle, too. The exit to the bag will get clogged from time to time, though.
Toro batts take over 2 hours to recharge.I have the Recycler with the Personal Pace self propelled system.The Personal Pace system takes some getting used to.Yes it does work well,but it is heavier then the Ego,you will leave ruts in soft ground.Plus the wheel height adjustment is on each wheel,not the “one handle does all system” like the Ego.And there is no ball bearings on the wheels like Ego has.The Toro does work well,and is well constructed,but it does have its draw backs.Just my experiences with it.
I have a Craftsman 60V mower I picked up at Lowe’s for $200 (saw it on SlickDeals). I’ve had it since 2019 and it runs great on my 1600sf TTTF lawn in NorCal. Only gripe is that if I’m cutting more than 1/3 of my lawn at a time, I sometimes have to charge up the battery a second time. I want to order a 2nd battery to eliminate downtime, but the batteries are almost as much as I paid for the mower with the battery.
I'm a huge Ego fan and dont care for the Toro bra d since it looks and feels cheap. The Milwaulkee M18 mower looks to be the first mower that could pass the power and cut quality of the gas mower. I love Honda HRX mowers but Milwaulkee has me thinking.
That’s funny because I always felt the ego brand felt cheap due to all the plastic. They are light years ahead in innovative do dadds on their devices which I do like
2 years with my Ego mower. I have a self propelled model which is unnecessary. It is so light it is easily pushed for my 4000 sq ft lawn. Battery can be fully charged in 1 1/2 hour and I have the dual battery charger. Cut quality is a little less than a gas mower because of the weight of the mower. A heavy mower tends to stay flatter than a lighter mower. But I mow one way then 45 degree the other and it looks perfect. Mulching leaves at the end of the year yesterday....38 degrees out. My old Craftsman would have taken an hour and ether to get started...I just drop a battery in and go. The great thing about Ego is I bought the mower w/batteries and the snow blower with batteries then I bought a trimmer, chainsaw, and hedge clipper without batteries as they all use the same sized battery. I am more than happy to not be changing oil, having gas, spark plugs, filters and draining everything each winter.
a drawback is cut quality - the speed of the blade is less than a gas mower ( i believe 2500 rpm vs 3600 rpm for gas) - which is done to save battery life - which in turn effects the lift that the mower has - if you cant create enough lift to stand up the grass to cut it - then you are pushing over the grass - which leaves straglers and half cut grass - this is from personal experience using a Greenworks pro 60v push - know that other have experienced similar issues with other brands including toro. Another issue is the auto sensing speed control - mine would sense deeper grass - but it took 4-5 steps before the mover speeds up to compensate - which leaves a 4-6 ft swath of half cut grass. Some have manual turbo buttons to speed up mower in heavy grass. personally - i parked the greenworks - bought a a used honda hrx217 - threw 2 new blades on - twice the cut quality of the electric mower - im in the north with TTTF.
Not sold yet with electric. 1/2" cut is not worth it for me. There are times that I do let the grass grow higher and the electric would not have enough torque as needed
I never thought about the huge plus of being able to store it vertically and not having to worry about oil and gas leaking and running where you don’t want it.
I applaud the engineers for coming up with alternative fuel source machines. However my experience with Ego is the batteries don't last, and perform worse with time until they don't charge. Replacing those big batteries is hyper expensive. I will stick with gas.
@@pestandlawnginja I know I am probably in the minority on gas vs. electric. Glad you haven’t had any issues. Keep up the great work and let’s thaw this Utah snow!
@@lazylearner967 not sure you are in the minority! there are certain types of machines like lawn mowers that I don't prefer battery. Great battery options for right now are snowblowers, snow shovels, certain types of edgers and weed eaters.
Not quite there yet either. I LOVE how quiet electric’s are but I just don’t think they’re quite there yet on the power. I have very thick TTTF I cut with the Honda double blade. Just like electric cars, they’re getting closer. Once they close the gap, I’m in.
My Echo 58V string trimmer, edger, blower, chainsaw, are so good I sat all my gas stuff out by the road...I'm not even kidding. I have not tried the mower yet.
Never had many stragglers with gas mowers. The last two years I've used anEgo 21" that will not pull the blades up that the wheels push down. Not sure if I want to spend a lot on another, or go back to gas.
Will you be reviewing more battery OPE? I have a pretty new gas Super Recycler and thinking of going to their battery version. Biggest concern may be if the battery blower is strong enough w/ enough run time. Likely between them and Ego. Looks like Echo and Stihl are just way behind
I’d love it if Honda took the plunge, my HRX 217 is still money, but would love to have a more environmentally friendly mower with less maintenance. We consumers have to push the Corporate end to up their game.
@@pestandlawnginja I have no words to tell you how much you been helping me and others with you videos. Things it will not be the same if I never watch you videos. Thanks so much
I have a Ryobi 40V battery powered mower I got a several years ago. It is still going strong. It’s range is around 7500 square feet. I agree that battery powered mowers have come a long way recently. I love how light it and it doesn’t take up much space. The lighter weight prevents compaction of the soil. Electric mowers are way better for the environment too. I can’t wait for the day when everything is completely electric
My original 60v recycler (not this version) seems to mulch much better than he is seeing here. I frequently mow several inches at a time off my St Augustine and there are never any clumps like that. Very strange to see.
No maintenance is totally worth the extra cost in my opinion. Too bad i bought all my crap back in 2016 when batteries were still on the verge of being adequate for a medium sized yard! I love working on cars and engines but i'm frankly just tired of maintaining a push mower, riding mower, weed wacker, snow blower, leaf blower.
most rotary mowers don't do well in wet grass which is why i didn't think to do that. I'll see what I can do for future videos. thanks for the feedback!
Ginja, I wish I could get behind you on this Toro mower. I bought a gas-powered model for my Mother-in-law and the motor blew within 5 months. Toro and Briggs will not respond and basically, I'm out $550.00 and no mower. Briggs & Stratton makes it impossible to talk to anyone and #TheToroCompany said they would have someone call me and no one ever has. I am looking for someone that can help me get in touch with a rep at Toro that might be willing to help. I'm going to continue my efforts on Monday.
@@pestandlawnginja Briggs told the dealer they wouldn't do anything and Toro customer service said they have nothing to do with it because it's the motor. Apparently, Toro doesn't stand behind the motor they chose to put on the mower. I think the electric motor is a better option for this particular model.
5 yr degrading of the battery?? if you have it 5 yr or less.?? The average homeowner wants a forever mower... I have a crappy MTD 22 inch side shooter from 1998 I bought used for $40 12 years ago and its still chugging along just fine, I use it for the worse tasks too... e.g. I abuse it... I bet I've not come close to $300 in all in usage and owning expenses...
That’s pretty cool your maintenance has been low. I think it’s important to remember annual cost of gas, stabile, carborator cleaning or swapping. My point about the time has more to do with the battery life than the mower
@@pestandlawnginja Gas Stable? LOL No, run her dry, see you in the spring.... carb cleaning is a $3 can of carb cleaning, on occasion every not and then or couple or years. don't get me wrong, electric has advantages, I agree, but the $$ adds up differently for each of us
I will stick with my gas powered Honda. 12 years and runs like the day I got it. Love my Honda. WIll never, ever go battery. Thankfully I am a New Yorker, not a Calfornian.
@@pestandlawnginja that's right. I will strap down anyone who says I must buy a battery operated and tries to ban gas powered and I will set the wheels to height one and run them over repeatedly till they have no skin left on them. That's how we roll around here. Gaspowered4life Hahahahaaa
@@ChrisS-if7ev Is the performance of your gas mower that much better? It seemed like from the video the battery powered mower was performing well with less maintenance.
@@bdias4679 I absolutely love my gas powered Honda. I would never have to worry about how much I am cutting off or anything. The only real things I have to worry about are how often do I have to empty the bag when sucking up leaves and if I let the lawn get to high how often to empty the bag since I set it to minimal mulching. I would not want to use any other mower, this thing is a beast that is tried and true. I change the blade every few years, change the oil and even at that, I havent done that in years. I should though in the spring. Just a phenomenal mower.
The majority of people I see trying to mow the lawn with a battery powered mower are legit mowing 8 inch grass. Most people mow once a month if that lol. THAT is the REAL TEST
@@pestandlawnginja men my Bro ginja anytime you come here i would love to meet you i work for a garden company power flower is the name and your videos help me a lot because i am a Pest control tech. Here in cayman
@@thebigdoghimself an official sponsorship is an exchange of money and terms bound to a contract. There was no money or contract involved. Toro has no official say in the content, I don’t even give them a courtesy preview of the content either
I have a toro string trimmer... have had it since 2014? works well but this year I bought a dewalt. A dewalt with the tap spool and wow... that dewalt is a beast!
@@pestandlawnginja they do. The string trimmers and blowers as well as of course all their wood working stuff is solid. Just picked up the blower on the HD black friday special and it's pretty solid for the patio, driveway kind of stuff when you don't feel like dragging out the gas powered. String trimmer, just a total beast. That thing will keep up with any gas powered.
Oh wait metal or plastic deck how do you think we get that hmmm oh oil, so battery won’t last lithium is extremely toxic, and lithium comes out of ground from China, so you waisted your money on battery mower, and took petroleum to make the battery mower so then you say heck with it and get a gas mower so all the millions of people that do same thing and change there mind so it’s taken more petroleum to change peoples minds on something that is crap, throw it in land fill it’s ok you tried, oil/gas is the way to go, oh ya don’t forget there was an ice age so the scientists say, and they want to go with the science lol
I love the idea of electronic for all your cited reasons. Bought a new ego and the mulching was awful. A cheap gas mower was mulching twice as well. Returned it that week and bought a Honda.
Thanks for sharing. it is getting better as the years go by. but yah, i found if you aren't mowing a few times per week you shouldn't be mulching with these mowers.
For my 5,000-ish square foot lawn, battery powered is perfectly fine. For people on the fence, I'd suggest grabbing a cheap clearance model at the end of the season when stores are trying to clear out their stock. That way, it's a much smaller financial risk if it turns out that you don't like it. By way of example, I bought a $650 EGO mower at Lowe's last month that was marked down to $162, and they still have a bunch of $200 80V Kobalts and hanging out in the garden center.
Love the detailed comment
Nobody opens boxes and grass seed bags better than Ginja. You use the best tools and are the OG of openings :)
Thanks! figured a fork otta do it!
Thanks Ginja for the rivew. I'm almost sold on battery. The only con besides power is the fact that you would have to commit to a brand to lower cost. If batteries were universal, like AA or the button batteries that can be use on anything no matter the brand gas would really become obsolete
So true!
I have the exact same mower. I had mine a few months ago and cuts very well with nice stripes with the plastic flap in the back. I also called Toro for the rear discharge at no cost. I drilled 2 holes the 1st day I got my mower to fit my Big League Check Mate striping kit. I really like my battery operated mower. I got rid of my Toro gas mower I had for several years. Less maintenance with the battery operated one with no gas and oil to worry about.
Right on. The rear discharge is interesting and I want to see if it makes any difference
I looked at my mowing habits this past year. Currently have an old Toro recycler with B&S 190CC. 38 mows this year, averaging 6 days per mow. Usually that is a 3.5"-4" HOC, taking off 2"+ every time. I can't ever imagine taking half an inch off the top, else i need to be mowing every other day or so. Not possible, it always seemed to rain when i would try to get an extra mow in. A Max Power blade made all the difference in my mulching quality, no more wet clumps on the lawn. The electric mowers look great for those homeowners who are not as meticulous with their yards, or love to mow very frequently, like maybe a smaller yard, or don't have the lawn type (tall fescue) and growth I do. Looking at getting a new model Super Recycler with the 190 CC next year. Maybe i need to stop fertilizing?
love the comment mark. the hoc issue is resolved by mowing over the area twice. i find gas powered mowers encounter the same issue but it requires scalping much more off the top as your saying.
I have the same mower and it’s unstoppable, if Toro had a lights on the 60v recycler I’d buy it for cutting at night.
I've used a twin force 40v Green works mower for years now. I don't miss the pain in the ass push mower.
I'll be taking delivery of a new Ego 56v 2 stage snow blower this coming Wednesday 👍
Right on!!!
I am not sold on them yet; my state is telling that in a few years it will be all I can buy here. I have had my toro gas power 13 years still starts on first or second pull. As always Ginja thanks for all the useful information.
That’s pretty cool the mowers still kickin it! Thanks for watching. Love the feedback. Thank you
I have an Ego Self Propelled and it is a beast. It runs forever and has no issue with slowdown. It's batteries are also best in class
i set my sail with EGO and have not looked back...all my gas mowers were Toros with honda engines but i do NOT miss the nuisances of clogged ports in carb, etc...no problem with plastic bodies either...lighter and strong and unless you are off roading, these do the trick...i cut my grass every 2-3 days and on my 4th season and same battery
So true!
I’ve got the kobalt 80v 5ah mower for my 5,000 square foot tall fescue and it is awesome. I’ve had it for two seasons (April to October) and it shows no signs of slowing down. Like you said, no maintenance other than sharpening the blade. Since you mentioned the “striper”, my kobalt actually stripes pretty well.
Same ,second season with my Kobalt 80 and love it!
right on! love the feedback
I love it we did cuz opec and Texas price of gas and now these batteries are just as good
Thanks for being one of the only honest reviews on this mower. You accurately provided the good and bad points about this mower. I have this mower and a 5200 square ft. thick tall turf fescue "carpet-like" lawn. Battery powered machines just don't "cut it" for my yard unless I mow every 2-3 days. I have tried a few top rated models from different manufacturers. This mower leaves a trail of clippings down the right side of the deck if the grass gets a bit tall. I don't think the "Vortex" feature does anything noticeably better than my other my other battery mowers without this feature. The blade has a lower sail as most battery mowers do to preserve run time so you're never going to have the suction that you can get with gas mowers. I tried a Gator blade on it but the cut was no better, it still left debris on the lawn and it ran the battery down faster. I did replace the front wheels with ones from the Super Recycler. While the stock one look cool, they are cheap plastic bearing units and the very squared off edge profile made it difficult to initiate gradual turns in the grass, like going around trees, etc. where you are not really picking up the front end of the mower. They seem very "grabby" when trying to turn. The Super Recycler wheels have ball bearings and a slightly rounded edge profile which helps here. My unit's personal pace seemed to require too much effort to get it moving, compared to my other personal pace mowers, and I found that by removing 1 revolution from the Personal pace handle return spring it made all the difference...much better. I dislike the auto blade speed controller...I guess on Super recyclers you now have a switch to maintain high speed if desired. Under the deck the front baffle is held on by a couple of screws and has a gap where grass always gets stuck. I used a silicone adhesive on the backside of that gap to seal this up. That baffle has a bump-out profile which is supposed to allow for some overflow relief for the blade, but I don't know how well that works since mine leaves clippings on the lawn unless I am taking VERY little off the top. On level ground my front left (non discharge side) wheel does not contact the ground like the other 3 wheels (poor manufacturing?) I dislike the wheel adjusters but can live with them. Thanks again for the great video!
Happy to help and I really appreciate you noticing my passion for proper reviews. I recently released a review comparing this mower to the ego. basically outlining everything you mentioned above.
I have a Kobalt 80V 5Ah and it works flawlessly. I mow 2k sq/ft and I don’t use up more than a 1/4 battery. Last year I had Bermuda and even on the thickest parts it wouldn’t bog. It would automatically kick into overdrive and drop down as soon as it went past the think section. Now with my Tall Fescue it mows even easier. I wouldn’t hesitate buying an electric mower for a home owner with a yard smaller than about 8k size.
Love the feedback!!!
Like all your content. Gotta call you on the more longevity on a steel deck though. Especially after a few years where rust underneath comes into play making the under deck cleanup a PITA. Keep it honest, remember they gave you a free one. The Honda composite decks are the leader for many reasons. Composite decks in a push mower are the way to go. Toro should get on board with this.
you know Don. didn't really think about the issues with rust. My issue with the plastic poly decks is over time they will flex. flex will affect the mow quality. I'm not a big fan of the plastic for that reason. I had some clips explaining this point in detail but the video was running long.
@@pestandlawnginja All good. I'm just big on the poly deck and haven't ever heard a bad thing about them. I don't understand why more manufactures don't use them in the push mower world. I really appreciate your channel and your content. Please keep it coming....
I'm ALMOST sold on battery-powered mowers, just not QUITE yet. Some brands that have the "plastic" decks also offer lifetime warranty. Of course, the product has to be registered. Having said that, I DO have a 40v battery-powered string trimmer (Ryobi) and it works great! 👍 The 4ah (ampere hour) battery, however, takes quite awhile to charge. I just have to be sure to charge it immediately after use.
Mowers have come a long way in the battery powered arena but I understand what you’re saying
For me, the best part about the metal deck is not necessarily the longevity, but the weight. The heavier the mower is, the less the bounces around on the lawn and the better the cut. Not that the battery mowers are really that heavy, but the plastic ones are just way too light in my opinion.
@@jimmaul also depends on the smoothness of the turf. Lumps and bumps should be eliminated at all costs! 😉
@@meagaindave2049 For sure, but you cant always control that. I inherited some terribly laid st aug sod and its all over the place.
@@jimmaul I'm so sorry. 😲
I’ve owned my toro mower for 12 years and still runs great. I’ll be very excited to see Toro come out with a reel mower with 60 volts. Then I’ll pull the trigger on a new one. Until then I’ll keep watching my stock of Toro grow.
I feel yah on the reel mower!
This fall I didn't want to get more gas for the Timemaster so I only used the 60v Toro. The stragglers drove me crazy. There is nothing like the Toro Timemaster. It is heavier for me since I'm only 5 ft. But the struggle is worth it.
its one hell of a mower for sure! i put it through the ringer!
Totally agree! Had my Timemaster since 2012 and then tried the exact battery model shown here. I am very dissapointed. Hate the curved personal pace handle. The old straight linear action design was much better. For a 22" mower the blade is only 21.25". Battery mowers have thinner blades with less lift to increase run time at the expense of cutting performance. On my thick tall fescue lawn it leaves clippings if you try anything more than a very light cut. The square-edge profile of the front wheels looks cool but makes it tougher to make turns around trees where you don't lift the front end. I will only use this battery mower when my lawn is too soggy to use the heavier Timemaster.
I purchased one of these last fall because my gas mower died and this was the only mower left I could buy. I paid about $400 for it which turned out to be a pretty good price. It cuts the grass nicely. And I love how quiet it is compared to gas mowers. BUT..........I do a lot of over seeding using an aerator and the mower's blades don't spin fast enough to pick up the clumps very well. And it also does not pick up the fall leaves as well as a gas mower. I knew these things were going to be problems before I bought it. But I was stuck and had to pull the trigger earlier than I wanted because gas mowers could not be found in my area in the fall. I do like it a lot, but I'd like it a lot more if it had the option to *MANUALLY* increase the blade speed to turbo mode when I need it.
Only the much higher model has that capability the 60v Toro heavy duty.
love the feedback!
Another good job Ginja. Please tell me how Big Rolls Royce is doing. I miss seeing him.
He’s doing great. He’s a big boy. Weighed 70lbs a month ago. Got out of surgery today. some of his tiny teeth on the bottom were having problems. Other than that he’s a fun little dude
I was literally just in Lowe's and looked at mowers. They didn't have one gas powered mower. Everything displayed was electric. I chalked it up to being winter. All the points you brought up are perfect for a spacially challenged area like my seasonal campground. Standing up on end, it would store nicely in my small shed.
right on! glad i could help!
I bought the 60v Toro mower, string trimmer, and snow blower. So bam, THREE batteries available for any of those jobs. The batteries are heavily discounted when packaged with a tool compared to buying tool and battery separately. We have 10,000+ sq-ft of lawn. Most trims only need one battery, and it's a 10 second swap to a second battery if needed.
The Toro mower easily hammers through thick weeds that my neighbor's gas mower constantly stalls out on. The Toro is torque-sensitive and it will speed up when needed to cut through thicker stuff. The power push assist is sensitive to how hard you push the handle, too. The exit to the bag will get clogged from time to time, though.
love the feedback. thank you
Toro batts take over 2 hours to recharge.I have the Recycler with the Personal Pace self propelled system.The Personal Pace system takes some getting used to.Yes it does work well,but it is heavier then the Ego,you will leave ruts in soft ground.Plus the wheel height adjustment is on each wheel,not the “one handle does all system” like the Ego.And there is no ball bearings on the wheels like Ego has.The Toro does work well,and is well constructed,but it does have its draw backs.Just my experiences with it.
Not ready for the big jump to battery. Just bought a battery weed wackier last year, the jury is still out. Love ya brother!
its getting better as time goes on.
Great content as always, I hope to be seeing you more often here brother!!!
Thank you 🙏 I will be here to win 🏆
I don't really understand the key either. If it's a safety concern, just remove the battery. Great review bud 👊🏼
Thanks brother! Merry Christmas
I was paying more attention to the background, beautiful view.
You and me both!
Interesting, just bought the 22” recycler with 6ah battery for $499 from Home Depot. Glad prices are coming down.
way cool.
Always enjoy your reviews. Thanks for sharing! Hope your off-season is going well!
thanks brother! you the man. hope you're surgury recovery is going as expected.
@@pestandlawnginja thanks buddy!
I have a Craftsman 60V mower I picked up at Lowe’s for $200 (saw it on SlickDeals). I’ve had it since 2019 and it runs great on my 1600sf TTTF lawn in NorCal. Only gripe is that if I’m cutting more than 1/3 of my lawn at a time, I sometimes have to charge up the battery a second time. I want to order a 2nd battery to eliminate downtime, but the batteries are almost as much as I paid for the mower with the battery.
so true! those batteries are crazy expensive
I'm a huge Ego fan and dont care for the Toro bra d since it looks and feels cheap. The Milwaulkee M18 mower looks to be the first mower that could pass the power and cut quality of the gas mower. I love Honda HRX mowers but Milwaulkee has me thinking.
That’s funny because I always felt the ego brand felt cheap due to all the plastic. They are light years ahead in innovative do dadds on their devices which I do like
2 years with my Ego mower. I have a self propelled model which is unnecessary. It is so light it is easily pushed for my 4000 sq ft lawn. Battery can be fully charged in 1 1/2 hour and I have the dual battery charger. Cut quality is a little less than a gas mower because of the weight of the mower. A heavy mower tends to stay flatter than a lighter mower. But I mow one way then 45 degree the other and it looks perfect. Mulching leaves at the end of the year yesterday....38 degrees out. My old Craftsman would have taken an hour and ether to get started...I just drop a battery in and go. The great thing about Ego is I bought the mower w/batteries and the snow blower with batteries then I bought a trimmer, chainsaw, and hedge clipper without batteries as they all use the same sized battery. I am more than happy to not be changing oil, having gas, spark plugs, filters and draining everything each winter.
love the feedback. thanks for sharing
a drawback is cut quality - the speed of the blade is less than a gas mower ( i believe 2500 rpm vs 3600 rpm for gas) - which is done to save battery life - which in turn effects the lift that the mower has - if you cant create enough lift to stand up the grass to cut it - then you are pushing over the grass - which leaves straglers and half cut grass - this is from personal experience using a Greenworks pro 60v push - know that other have experienced similar issues with other brands including toro. Another issue is the auto sensing speed control - mine would sense deeper grass - but it took 4-5 steps before the mover speeds up to compensate - which leaves a 4-6 ft swath of half cut grass. Some have manual turbo buttons to speed up mower in heavy grass. personally - i parked the greenworks - bought a a used honda hrx217 - threw 2 new blades on - twice the cut quality of the electric mower - im in the north with TTTF.
Love the detailed comment.
Toro 60v heavy duty (22282) is the answer to your question. Lyft is insane. No stragglers!
Brought my new Toro home today. Battery won't charge. Blinking red. Taking it back tomorrow and getting a gas powered. Damn.
Ugh. That would be frustrating
Not sold yet with electric. 1/2" cut is not worth it for me. There are times that I do let the grass grow higher and the electric would not have enough torque as needed
I get it
I never thought about the huge plus of being able to store it vertically and not having to worry about oil and gas leaking and running where you don’t want it.
Right!? It’s so convenient
Instead of having a sensor for when the mower hits thicker grass I wish they would have a Turbo button so you could boost the power when you need it.
same! they have it on lots of their other battery operated equipment.
I applaud the engineers for coming up with alternative fuel source machines. However my experience with Ego is the batteries don't last, and perform worse with time until they don't charge. Replacing those big batteries is hyper expensive. I will stick with gas.
that is a draw back. so far i've had no issues with my toro batteries over the last 4 years.
@@pestandlawnginja I know I am probably in the minority on gas vs. electric. Glad you haven’t had any issues. Keep up the great work and let’s thaw this Utah snow!
@@lazylearner967 not sure you are in the minority! there are certain types of machines like lawn mowers that I don't prefer battery.
Great battery options for right now are snowblowers, snow shovels, certain types of edgers and weed eaters.
Not quite there yet either. I LOVE how quiet electric’s are but I just don’t think they’re quite there yet on the power. I have very thick TTTF I cut with the Honda double blade. Just like electric cars, they’re getting closer. Once they close the gap, I’m in.
so close for sure
Where is the new content, brother? Miss seeing your vids this spring! Hope to see some vids soon.
Tomorrow!
I agree with Rolls Royce - will not be impressed until Toro gives it “Ludicrous Mulch Mode” 🐶 carry on....
🤣🤣🤣🤣 touché . He appreciates your loyalty
My Echo 58V string trimmer, edger, blower, chainsaw, are so good I sat all my gas stuff out by the road...I'm not even kidding. I have not tried the mower yet.
that's awesome you're enjoying it that much. battery powered has come a long way over the last few years.
Agreed. I have same setup. Debating mower.
Check out the Milwaukee M18 mower. Expensive but it's a beast.
Where’ve you been?? 3 months is too long without a video from the Ginja! You’ve 111k people waiting on the next video!
The mower looks good you lawn looks amazing I wish my looks like that
thanks Wilvert! appreciate it
@@pestandlawnginja thank you for sharing with us such of good videos
Never had many stragglers with gas mowers. The last two years I've used anEgo 21" that will not pull the blades up that the wheels push down. Not sure if I want to spend a lot on another, or go back to gas.
Mister Ginja I hope you have a great thanksgiving holiday
Thanks brother! You as well!
Will you be reviewing more battery OPE? I have a pretty new gas Super Recycler and thinking of going to their battery version. Biggest concern may be if the battery blower is strong enough w/ enough run time. Likely between them and Ego. Looks like Echo and Stihl are just way behind
I’d love it if Honda took the plunge, my HRX 217 is still money, but would love to have a more environmentally friendly mower with less maintenance. We consumers have to push the Corporate end to up their game.
Lots of changes coming due to California
Here he is the ginja ninja 👍
BOOM!
What about a comment on sound/noise ? Thanks
it sounds like a vaccuum. its not the quietest thing but it is much quieter than a normal mower.
Have you reviewed super recycler 21 inch. ? I believe the older models are made better. Your thoughts. Thanks
I did not get a chance to use that machine
I think its a solid product too bad the batteries are way over priced , Happy Holidays Ginja!
the batteries are expensive for sure
I haven’t heard from you mister Ginja hope you doing well
back in business wilvert! Thanks for having my back
@@pestandlawnginja I have no words to tell you how much you been helping me and others with you videos. Things it will not be the same if I never watch you videos. Thanks so much
@@wilvertperez super kind appreciate it!
I have a Ryobi 40V battery powered mower I got a several years ago. It is still going strong. It’s range is around 7500 square feet. I agree that battery powered mowers have come a long way recently. I love how light it and it doesn’t take up much space. The lighter weight prevents compaction of the soil. Electric mowers are way better for the environment too. I can’t wait for the day when everything is completely electric
Right on. Glad you’re enjoying it
Where's the Ginja?
The Toro Super Recycler with the cast aluminum deck IS THE ONLY MOWER THAT WORKS if you mulch and that mower you got isn't really a mulcher
I can see what you’re saying
My original 60v recycler (not this version) seems to mulch much better than he is seeing here. I frequently mow several inches at a time off my St Augustine and there are never any clumps like that. Very strange to see.
I power raked a month ago. It's never been done before. I always bag my cuttings. Should I mulch a few times this spring?
if you are mulching correctly its the best thing for your lawn. mulch away.
No maintenance is totally worth the extra cost in my opinion. Too bad i bought all my crap back in 2016 when batteries were still on the verge of being adequate for a medium sized yard! I love working on cars and engines but i'm frankly just tired of maintaining a push mower, riding mower, weed wacker, snow blower, leaf blower.
I hear you! Battery power devices get better and better every year
Awesome job！
Have you ever used revive soil treatment?
Thoughts?
I have. its a decent product. they make solid products.
I want to see how it holds up against wet grass.
most rotary mowers don't do well in wet grass which is why i didn't think to do that. I'll see what I can do for future videos. thanks for the feedback!
Did you move or just picked the Park for the amount of square footage?
I didn't move. I went to st george to film and get back on the lawn.
I have discovered that the grass is not aware if it's a gas or electric motor spinning that blade.
LOL love the comment. the grass may not be aware but the revolutions the blades spin are.
Video?
Ginja, I wish I could get behind you on this Toro mower. I bought a gas-powered model for my Mother-in-law and the motor blew within 5 months. Toro and Briggs will not respond and basically, I'm out $550.00 and no mower. Briggs & Stratton makes it impossible to talk to anyone and #TheToroCompany said they would have someone call me and no one ever has. I am looking for someone that can help me get in touch with a rep at Toro that might be willing to help. I'm going to continue my efforts on Monday.
man, that's super frustrating dan. sorry its been such a hassle for you.
@@pestandlawnginja Briggs told the dealer they wouldn't do anything and Toro customer service said they have nothing to do with it because it's the motor. Apparently, Toro doesn't stand behind the motor they chose to put on the mower. I think the electric motor is a better option for this particular model.
Last Aussie 😁.
Hope not 😁
Where's this guy at, I enjoyed his videos and he's not posted in 5 months
Back on track tomorrow!
Where ya at!!?
And now the battery operated RIDING mowers!
Yes?
I’m hoping to get ahold of a few in 2022
5 yr degrading of the battery?? if you have it 5 yr or less.?? The average homeowner wants a forever mower... I have a crappy MTD 22 inch side shooter from 1998 I bought used for $40 12 years ago and its still chugging along just fine, I use it for the worse tasks too... e.g. I abuse it... I bet I've not come close to $300 in all in usage and owning expenses...
That’s pretty cool your maintenance has been low. I think it’s important to remember annual cost of gas, stabile, carborator cleaning or swapping.
My point about the time has more to do with the battery life than the mower
@@pestandlawnginja Gas Stable? LOL No, run her dry, see you in the spring.... carb cleaning is a $3 can of carb cleaning, on occasion every not and then or couple or years. don't get me wrong, electric has advantages, I agree, but the $$ adds up differently for each of us
【from Hipa】Would you like to test my parts for your equipment?thank you.
I will stick with my gas powered Honda. 12 years and runs like the day I got it. Love my Honda. WIll never, ever go battery. Thankfully I am a New Yorker, not a Calfornian.
right on! i feel yah. if it aint broke don't fix it
@@pestandlawnginja that's right. I will strap down anyone who says I must buy a battery operated and tries to ban gas powered and I will set the wheels to height one and run them over repeatedly till they have no skin left on them. That's how we roll around here. Gaspowered4life Hahahahaaa
@@ChrisS-if7ev 😂
@@ChrisS-if7ev Is the performance of your gas mower that much better? It seemed like from the video the battery powered mower was performing well with less maintenance.
@@bdias4679 I absolutely love my gas powered Honda. I would never have to worry about how much I am cutting off or anything. The only real things I have to worry about are how often do I have to empty the bag when sucking up leaves and if I let the lawn get to high how often to empty the bag since I set it to minimal mulching. I would not want to use any other mower, this thing is a beast that is tried and true. I change the blade every few years, change the oil and even at that, I havent done that in years. I should though in the spring. Just a phenomenal mower.
The majority of people I see trying to mow the lawn with a battery powered mower are legit mowing 8 inch grass. Most people mow once a month if that lol. THAT is the REAL TEST
for sure. its a fail for the mulcher. the bagger will do it if you pass over it a few times.
Key and mud flap are for safety
yah for sure
@@pestandlawnginja I hit a rock once and it went through 9ne side of a vinyl fence. Left a quarter size hole. So maybe mudflaps save our feet
All I want is an electric TimeMaster.
oooo i like that idea
Staying with gas. To get 45 minutes run time then many hours to recharge. Not for me
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Ginja 😎💪🔥🔥
Thanks bro!
But no gas for lifetime of mower
It’s true
Hello my here ginja from cayman island
RAD!!!! I've only been there once and plan on going back!
@@pestandlawnginja men my Bro ginja anytime you come here i would love to meet you i work for a garden company power flower is the name and your videos help me a lot because i am a Pest control tech. Here in cayman
@@alexroque4129 sounds like a fantastic plan!
Your 7 year old is why there’s a key bud.
I bought one extremely disappointed compared to gas
I’ll be doing a review soon
6:02 your about to pick up a turd
it happens LOL
More sponsored content huh.
Nope not sponsored
@@pestandlawnginja You got the item for free, so yeah, that's sponsored. You basically just did a free commercial for them
@@thebigdoghimself what is the issue with reviewing the mower?
@@thebigdoghimself an official sponsorship is an exchange of money and terms bound to a contract. There was no money or contract involved. Toro has no official say in the content, I don’t even give them a courtesy preview of the content either
First.
Best advice?
Don't.
Toro makes great mowers. Spend the difference on a higher end TimeMaster.
for sure!
The batterys are garbage, just like the weed whacker that claims it can cut a football field.....
I’ve had good luck with the toro batteries . Had not so good luck with the much older rhyobi batteries
I have a toro string trimmer... have had it since 2014? works well but this year I bought a dewalt. A dewalt with the tap spool and wow... that dewalt is a beast!
@@ChrisS-if7ev that’s awesome. They make solid equipment
@@pestandlawnginja they do. The string trimmers and blowers as well as of course all their wood working stuff is solid. Just picked up the blower on the HD black friday special and it's pretty solid for the patio, driveway kind of stuff when you don't feel like dragging out the gas powered. String trimmer, just a total beast. That thing will keep up with any gas powered.
Oh wait metal or plastic deck how do you think we get that hmmm oh oil, so battery won’t last lithium is extremely toxic, and lithium comes out of ground from China, so you waisted your money on battery mower, and took petroleum to make the battery mower so then you say heck with it and get a gas mower so all the millions of people that do same thing and change there mind so it’s taken more petroleum to change peoples minds on something that is crap, throw it in land fill it’s ok you tried, oil/gas is the way to go, oh ya don’t forget there was an ice age so the scientists say, and they want to go with the science lol
there are arguments for sure
Junk
its nice
Ginja I hope all is well. You’re MIA this season. Do we need to send a search party? 🥹
I’m back! Just posted!