For getting the return spring back on, I have found that spring tool in the OTC kit to not work all that great. The technique that I have found that works better is I use a medium size phillips head screwdriver. I hook the one spring end onto the brake shoe behind the parking brake lever first. Then I put the other spring end onto the shaft of the screwdriver. I place the tip of the screwdriver into the slot of the the opposing brake shoe and then lever the screwdriver towards the shoe expanding the spring. The spring will slide down the shaft and you can help it along with your free hand. Once you get the spring end into the brake shoe hole and it's partially hooked, you can grab a flat head screwdriver or other tool to push the spring end further into place while getting the phillips head screwdriver out of the way. I hope that makes sense. With this technique, you eliminate any potential damage to the new brake shoe and I've found it much easier to get the spring in place using this technique.
I found compressing the shoes with a carpenter's clamp... pushes in on the piston. If you compress it all the way down, getting on the spring is significantly easier. (Note: I had the brake line off because I was replacing the axle seal. However, I think the same method could be used if you loosen the bleeder screw and bleed the brake fluid while compressing the shoes.)
Timmy The Toolman no I used Brembo. What’s weird is it was doing the same thing with my stock ones. Which is why I had the drum turned in the first place. Very odd.
@@whatfreedom7 If the brake drum was turned right by the shop and the shoes aren't the problem, maybe the axle shaft is bent slightly. But, before I would be swapping out an axle shaft, I'd ask the shop you had turn the drums to do a caliper reading in several spots to see if the drum is even. I'd also try the OEM shoes because I've heard of people having issues with aftermarket shoes. But, how did this problem reveal itself to you? Was your rig in an accident?
I got a 3rd gen 4runner about 5 years ago for so many reasons, Timmy the Toolman is the icing on top that I didn't even know about. Really grateful for you, thanks Timmy!
My 97 grew up in Chicago and I know my job won't be this straightforward, but the different angles and detailed step by step will be invaluable. As always, top notch work.
Yeah, I imagine you will be fighting quite a bit of rust being that the rig was from Chicago where they have gnarly winters and use salt to de-ice the roadways. Good luck with the job and great to hear you like what Sean and I are doing. Happy Wrenching!
Love having access to these vids! They’re such a perfect tool for me to continue servicing our (3) Third Gen 4Runners. Tim has such a gift of teaching and instructing others in way that makes it simple to understand and apply. I’m using this video to install these brake shoes on my Mom’s 2000 4runner. Thanks Again Tim!!!
Thanks Israel. I appreciate your comment. You've been the most notable longest standing subscriber of our channel. You've been with us from the beginning and you still take the time to comment. That's pretty cool. But yeah, you're very welcome Israel.
I like to think I am a seasoned home mechanic, but every time I watch one of your videos I pick up a new tip. I never thought to use a grip clamp to hold the shoe in place. Works like a charm. Another great video! Thanks again Jordan and Tim!
it4dps Good to hear you’re able to pick up tips from our videos. Glad you like the video and you’re very welcome. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
Excellent video. I own a 2000 RWD Tacoma SR5. Had no problem with the front brakes but the drum brakes were a bit more intimidating. This video really demonstrates and explains things clearly. Thanks a bunch.
Greetings from L.A., CA. Just wanted to thank Timmy and the Camera Man for an absolutely fantastic tutorial. This video was extremely thorough and the way you explained it was direct and to the point. I also want to commend the camera angles and the lighting. The camera man held it perfectly steady, unlike other videos out there where I actually get dizzy watching it and the lighting was perfectly placed where it needed to be. The production and editing was simply top-notch. I just bought a 99 4Runner (V6) with over 173k miles and looking to do some of the work by myself. To call me a shade tree mechanic would be a compliment - believe me. With your videos I feel a little more confident in tackling this. To Timmy, the camera man and other folks who were involved in producing this video - Keep up the good work as you are helping MANY 4Runner owners out there. Take care guys and looking forward to watching the rest of your uploads. Stay safe...
Thanks Matt. Sean (The Cameraman) and I love hearing when our videos give someone the extra confidence to tackle repairs they might not have done without a good tutorial to follow. Our friend Jordan, who's 4runner we were working on, was the other contributor to this video. We do put a lot of effort into these videos and it's great to hear back from our viewers that they appreciate what we're doing. Happy Wrenching!
TH-cam rocks all most as much as the people who spend the time to put out top quality videos like this and to go as far as using the "toyota manual" and video it so you can see and pause as you do steps blows my mind!
TH-cam has been a game changer for a lot of people. I've been helped by TH-cam videos and so has my buddy Sean and that's why we decided to film the Valve Cover Gasket Replacement video that started this whole thing for us. Glad you approve of the videos we've been making.
Gentlemen, thank you, thank you. I am a novice into repairing my daily driver Corolla ‘07. You guys give me the confidence to attempt changing my rear brakes.
You guys are awesome. Your video helped me working on my 2000 Toyota 4runnner. Before watching this video I was afraid that I may not be able to do this job but after watching the entire video I said to myself yes Its possible and I did the brake job. You have explained every little thing in your video compared to others. I salute you guys. Please keep doing good job.
Absolutely perfect step-by-step instructions on how to do a rear brake replacement & setup. Thanks so much for this information! You guys are tremendous!
I can’t get enough of your videos man. They are like a Master mechanics class for these services. Way to go using the FSM for these jobs! I need to get a copy of that manual lol. Thanks for another great video!
Thanks Mike. Glad you're appreciating our efforts to put out good content. You can pick up a manual set on Ebay pretty easily. People are always selling them. Just do a search for your year and you'll find some sets for sale.
Seriously thank you so so so so much for these videos you do. I was having issues with my brakes being soft and I learn from this video the rear brakes weren't adjusted properly. I spent so much time bleeding and bleeding and bleeding.. I should have just watched your video in the beginning. I owe you a big hug.
Hey Tim, great video as always. The devil is in the details, and as usual you cover the details in depth. This particular video was a big help to me for adjusting the brake shoe drag. Keep up the great work. You too Sean!
Thanks John. Great to hear you like our style of being very detailed with our videos. Some people complain about the length of our videos, but it's hard to keep them short and sweet when the job is labor intensive and requires lots of steps to complete. We appreciate you taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching John!
I have to apologize for commenting my frustrations on your Chanel, you give your time to and leave no stone unturned with your ability to talk through any situations that might occur. The price of aftermarket price makes OEM parts look expansive, my opinion, when in reality every design on Toyota was will designed and there culture from what I’ve seen and know is about respect, I could see the designers asking themselves “ how can I use this steal to its fullest potential. And Smack-ping-pang! Here you go, respect this 2002 double cab TRD Impulse red tacoma I’ve made just for you!
You guys are awesome, I paid $550.00 for a complete brake work on my 2001 Toyota Tacoma 2 years ago, I have a 2002 toyota 4runner I will do it myself this time since I feel confident to do it myself after I watched your tutorial...thanks o lot
Hey Alejandro, thanks for the compliment. You can absolutely handle this yourself. The hardest part is getting that return spring off and back on. Since making this video, I've done rear brakes for several other people and found a new technique to getting the return spring back on. I take a phillips head screwdriver, capture the end of the spring on the shaft and put the tip of the screwdriver on the slot where I need the spring end to grab onto the opposing brake shoe. I lever the screwdriver towards the opposing shoe stretching the spring. The spring slides down the shaft and gets near the slot it has to seat into. Then I take another screwdriver to help slide it off the first screwdriver and get the hook of the spring to find it's home. It works pretty well. That specialty brake tool works ok to get the spring off but I found the screwdriver trick to work better getting the spring back on. Good luck with the job. Happy Wrenching!
Great video Tim and crew....drum brakes have always been a little bit intimidating to me, but after watching your tutorial, I'm not afraid to try it now on my own....I recently (before I saw this) took my 2000 4Runner to a local brake shop to have the rear brakes "adjusted".....they charged me $50 and I thought I was getting a good deal....now I know better and I can save myself some money in the future just by pumping the parking brake handle....wow......much thanks and keep the videos coming !....
Revisiting this video.. I have to say at 29:28, Toyota makes it so much easier to remove the emergency parking brake cable by releasing it from the bell crank lever that way. I remember doing this service on my older Forester, that part was ugh!. I just hope when I do this service, my diff breather and axle seals are ok. I really appreciate your team efforts to show all the steps in such great detail. Who needs a dealer/mechanic when we have these awesome videos :)
it's our style to show more detail than not. we want people who have never picked up a wrench to feel confident and capable of doing a job like this even if it is their first time. thanks for stopping by the comments and telling your local mechanic you don't need him/her anymore because you got the "Timmy the Toolman" show instead. hahah
@@TimmyTheToolman For sure! I know for some the videos might be a bit too long, but some parts in them are essential to avoid making mistakes or braking some important component. I'm waiting to replace my radiator, but OEM parts are taking forever to arrive! My next big job then will be the Timing Belt, I will definitely be counting on your videos for that.
@@TimmyTheToolman Hey Tim, I finally got around doing this job, hadn't been using the 4Runner for a while. I also replaced the rear wheel cylinders and bled the brakes all around. And also replaced the Brake Booster before I did the rear brake service, but ended up with a spongy brake pedal right after. I was hoping that would go away after the rear brakes were serviced, but the spongy pedal feel remained. I was careful to use the ST for properly measuring the clearance between the Booster push rod and the master cylinder piston.. Any idea why the pedal would still feel spongy? The Booster was not OEM, I couldn't afford it..
@@BrandonKing-z1y Welcome aboard the Timmy the Toolman train. You'll find lot's of helpful content on our channel and we're always coming out with new stuff to learn from.
A fantastic video! The clearest and most detailed explanation. My compliments. I am currently using it on a 1993 Surf diesel in Australia. (Surf is Japanese Domestic Market 4 runner). Is exactly like in the video with exception of the bell crank. On mine the handbrake cable goes directly to the lever. Again thanks so much for this first class work.
One thing to add here. the gasket that the service manual shows under the drum when you first remove it. It shows as non-reusable. I think that’s the part that tends to seize to the drum, perhaps that’s intentional on Toyotas part like their oxygen sensors are meant to seize slightly. In any case I wanted to bring attention to that gasket needing to be replaced. Thanks for the super helpful videos
I've never seen that gasket on any Toyota SUV or Truck. I've seen it on parts schematics, but have never actually seen the gasket in place on a vehicle.
@TimmyTheToolman have you ever been the very first one to ever touch the drums on a vehicle Before any dealer tech or other touched it? My mother has a 2o11 Tacoma that the dealer never touched the drums yet AFAIK I was the first to pull those off at around 70k miles after starting to watch your channel and decided to start personally looking after her hot Barcelona red single cab 4x4 and save her many hundreds to thousands of dollars over what would otherwise be paid to a dealershop or other monkey. Getting back on the point... So I was likely the first ever to remove the drums on her Tacoma and there was a white paper gasket stuck on the hub that had to be scraped off and a new one put on. This was almost two years a go. I need to remove those drums again this to check and clean brake dust and it will be interesting to see how that white drum gasket has held up inside there
Just to prepare you, your rear brakes might look a little different. Toyota had 2 designs to the rear brake setup. If that ends up being the case, just take pictures and do only one side at a time so you know how everything goes back together.
Just wanted to say thanks, guys. Just did this, and since I replaced the wheel cylinders I did your brake flush/replace as well. Everything worked great, and I've gained a lot of mechanical confidence - thanks so much!
You're very welcome. Great to hear our video helped you out and you've gaining more confidence turning wrenches. Auto mechanics is something we can all learn to do if we have the desire. Happy Wrenching!
My 01 SR5 2wd was not exactly the same or it had been modified by the previous owner. But I was able to get it all back together correctly. One thing I found to be helpful is, when I got the springs that hold the shoes to backing plate in place, I took a small ratchet strap and went around both shoes to ratchet it tight to hold it all together. That made it much easier to stretch the adjuster spring into place plus it kept the piston compressed. I found this video to be very useful for all of the grease points. Thanks again!
Bro! Followed your video to a tee and it worked like a charm. Thanks for posting and sharing your knowledge. Very commendable of you. Since I am active duty and serving, I salute you!
Zack Torro Hey Zach, great to hear our video helped you out. I love my country and I'm stoked to hear our video helped someone who's active duty in the armed forces. Thanks for your service. Happy Wrenching Soldier! Salute returned.
Awesome video as usual! This one in particular gave me the information I needed to decide to sit this project out and just have my buddies shop do it :) Some of the jobs look a lot more fun than others.
I had a hard time but i did it. Thank you Timmy. I had to buy just onepiston cylinder. Whoa it took me 1 day and 3 hours. Hardest job ive done on a my 4Runner yet
Good job Roberto. It took you some time but you have the satisfaction you did it yourself and didn't have to pay a shop to do it. Also, you now have knowledge you can share with others. Happy Wrenching!
Great detail with brake job and HD quality my brother Tim!! Note: If anyone doesn't route the E-brake cable correctly, it will never adjust! Thanks for your awesome video Tim!!
Thanks Tim. Like others I was hesitant about taking on this job but your tutorials made it easy. Wish I'd stayed until the end to watch the part about adjusting the screw outside the drum. Failed my MOT because the handbrake was slack on one side, so I came back and re-watched it all again.
You're welcome Nick. Good to hear our video gave you the confidence to tackle this job. We like hearing success stories like this. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
Another great tutorial! I watched the video enough times to almost commit it to memory. My 2002 then surprised me with a different set up (The set up on the video 3rd gen seems more stout in my opinion). But knowing how the parts interact I was able to complete the job, with the right tools and supplies on hand. The clamp was genius and very helpful. I did have to change out the bell cranks as mine were seized up. The only guess work came to proper adjustment of the brakes. I thought I would get an ah-ha moment when putting on the drums and feeling for drag. It was really just trial and error. Before I would get thrown forward stopping at slow speeds by having nothing but front brakes. Seriously, how can you look cool cruising the mall like that? Now I’m smooth and have an ebrake. Thanks again!
Hey Brian, we're glad you like the video and that it helped you out. I was surprised as well when I was working on a guy's 3rd Gen 4runner and saw a different rear brake set-up than the one I've seen on my rigs and Sean's rigs. I guess Toyota decided to use a different self-adjusting system at some point. I prefer the set-up like we show in the video. Toyota should have left it alone and kept the same design. Good job getting your rear brakes working for you again. And, Happy Mall Crawling.
1) you're awesome, very professional and well done. all you guys are great 2) i'm never buying a 4runner from the Midwest again after seeing how clean and rust free that vehicle is 3) i had no clue that the parking brake adjusted the rear brakes, i was told that putting it in reverse adjusted the rear brakes...i was obviously told wrong 4) i feel like i owe you some money after watching that video and all the hard work you put in to it. i hope you get many more subscribers and offer some merchandise at some point...i want to help contribute to your channel so you can do this full time 5) i caught myself scrolling with my mouse when you got to the service manual page trying to see that top of the page....haha i used to think that forums on the internet were the best thing to come along to shadetree mechanics such as myself, they were at the time but with the advent of youtube, 4k video, and the ability for the common person to create a video of this quality...this is now the new standard for how-to videos and help with a project. i used to run the Indiana chapter of TTORA and had some tutorials on my website, i always wanted to try to give back some in exchange for all of those that helped me. Here are a few tips from me to beginners (and pros) doing work like this: -take pictures or video of your project before you start to disassemble something (you mentioned that) -i used a collection of paint markers at work and will put a yellow mark on the part and the spot it came off of...just use a different color for the different parts and locations. the number system works too but takes a little longer -do one side at a time when you can, especially on drum brakes -ALWAYS USE OEM PARTS WHEN YOU CAN!!! you'll regret it if you don't, Jordan in the video is already a believer in this This channel is way better than anything on TV to me...i watched the whole video and i'm not even doing a brake job! Keep up the great work guys
Thanks Robert. That's a hell of a compliment you gave us and we appreciate it. As for doing this full time, I don't know if that would ever happen because we would need a ton more subscribers. Basically we'd have to get millions of subscribers like Chris Fix has. Sean and I and the others that have contributed to our videos like Jordan are just dudes who like to turn a wrench and give back to the DIY auto mechanics of the world. The money isn't the motivating factor for us. Really, our payment is people letting us know how much one of our videos helped them out. We never get tired of hearing how a video of ours enabled somebody to do a job they thought was above their ability and they were successful and saved themselves a lot of money. It really is a cool feeling to know you did something on your own and avoided the high labor rates shops charge. I agree with you that having a video is so much better than forum write-ups. The write-ups are awesome and I still use them as references but a video can just show much more detail on how to do something. I love forums and I'm on them everyday for the information that's shared. But, when it comes time to turn a wrench, I'll look for a quality video first before using a write-up with pictures. Your tips are solid ones. Taking pictures, marking things and doing one side of a time are all very helpful so you remember how things go back together. I did this exact thing when I did my valve cover gasket job. Thanks again Robert for the kind words. Happy Wrenching!
Timmy The Toolman you guys have the equipment and ability... Toyota guys could use a channel dedicated to them as popular as they are. Wish you guys were around back when I was still offroading and Ttora Indiana chapter president...I miss those times. I'm in to 4runners now...not offroading though unfortunately
robert riedel Glad u subscribed Robert. We're going to keep on keeping on with these videos. No sign of stopping any time soon. We're having too much fun!
Timmy, fantastic video. I just did my 2000 4Runner this morning. Only hiccup was the retainer pins for the shoes. They were 3mm shorter than the originals. My bad for not checking them first. I used Jordan’s method for adjusting the shoes. It worked like a dream. A little extra time checking and adjusting; but it was worth it. No adjustments after the test drive.
Glad you like the video Dale. Sounds like you didn't buy OEM shoes. Just be sure to always use your parking brake. It takes pressure off the parking pawl and it keeps your rear brakes adjusted.
@@TimmyTheToolman got the OEM shoes. Didn’t get the OEM spring and hardware kit. They were out. But I thought the after market would be fine, WRONG. Very close except for pin length.
These drum brakes are pretty easy to work on compared to other drum brake set-ups I've seen. Rear brake shoes last a very long time so at least it's not something you're going to have to do very often, maybe every 100k miles.
Lol...even with the phenomenal tutorial... this job was like wresting an Octopus.. I've done the TBU, the Timing Belt and all its parts, Axle Bearings, fuel pump.... This was the single most frustrating repair I have done to my T4R. Even though I wanted to light it on fire, I appreciated the video.
It works! Amazing! Thanks so much! My 2006 Highlander has been limping along and I was worried this was one more thing to add to the list of ailments. But holding the tilt button down totally worked.
We're glad you like the video and thank for taking the time to comment. Yeah, us West Coasters that aren't living in snow areas where they salt the roads are pretty fortunate. I've seen pictures on Toyota forums of undercarriages from people who live in the rust belts of the country and I just cringe when I think of the hassles involved working on those vehicles. Stripping nuts and bolts or breaking them off doesn't sound like much fun.
Tim thanks for all your knowledge with Toyota’s. Please continue to make repair videos i truly rely on your assistance to do my DIY projects on my Tacoma. Thank you
You're very welcome Tristin. Great to hear our videos are helping you out. We appreciate you taking the time to comment to let us know. Don't worry. We're going to be making videos for quite some time. Happy Wrenching!
Good to hear you appreciate the detail we offer in our videos. We want people to succeed using our videos as a tutorial and that's why we put the extra effort in. You're very welcome and thanks for taking the time to comment.
Great video as always guys! Just wanted to note that the setup is a little different on the 01-02 models. The master cylinder is a little different, as well as the adjuster mechanism. The adjuster arm goes behind the shoes instead of in front and on mine, I can’t adjust the star wheel with the parking brake lever. I think it’s just one spring less, so I’ve got to do my adjustments direction on the star wheel.
Thanks Chris. We did hear after making this video the 01 and 02 models are different. So you're saying the parking brake lever doesn't actuate the star wheel adjuster? That means the rear brakes don't automatically adjust when using the parking brake. I wonder how they stay in adjustment then. I doubt people have to get in there on a regular basis to make adjustments to the star wheel from the access hole on the brake backing plate.
@@TimmyTheToolman yeah, I’m not exactly sure, but wouldn’t the brakes be continually adjusted by applying the brakes? As the shoes wear they would adjust anyway, right? I am by now means an expert, I defer to you guys for that!
@@Not_That_Chris With the style drum brakes we show working on in this video, using the service brake does nothing to keep the brakes adjusted. It's the use of the parking brake that keeps the brakes in the proper adjustment. I've never worked on the newer model type of brake shoe setup like you have so maybe using the brakes normally gets the self adjuster to actuate when the shoes wear enough for the adjuster to move a click or two. One way to test this is back off the star wheel adjuster for the brakes a lot and then put a bungy cord tightly around the brake shoes to offer some tension. Have someone very lightly push a little pressure on the brake pedal while you're watching what's happening with the brakes. You would be looking to see after a certain amount of movement of the brake shoes and then the person let's off the brakes, did the adjuster plate turn the star wheel to tighten the brakes a little.
@@TimmyTheToolman it’s been helpful - what started with pulling my third member for a diff rebuild turned into axles seals, wheel bearing, and a brake job (as a result of the blown axle seal). Like an onion, layer after stinky layer and nothing but tears the whole way down, but It’ll all be fresh and crispy when it’s done!
Great video! I should have taken a pic of all the mud inside my drums. One thing that would have helped me is the adjuster on the driver side has left hand thread. The adjuster on the passenger side has right hand thread.
That grease gun and all the other tools and parts used for the job are listed in the video description. You can expand the video description by clicking on "more." There is no cartridge for these little grease guns. You hand pack it.
For that return spring I used an old philips head screwdriver 🪛 that I ground into a point and stick it in the hole 🕳️ and then slide the spring down the shank into the hole. I’ve had that old screwdriver for over 35 years and use it for a lot of things. Punch scribe, spring install tool.
If rust is the issue (I am originally from Michigan and rust was ALWAYS an issue) a good way of loosening the drum from the hub is to use a heavy metal hammer and hit the drum right at the hub between the studs and just outside the studs. For what it is worth and thanks for the excellent video.
I love this video. Great info. BUT it doesn't match the brakes on my 2002 4Runner SR5. On mine the adjustor that goes against the star wheel to tighten it is attached to the opposite shoe and comes in behind the star wheel, not in front of it as seen in this video. It looks completely different. So the 3rd gen must have had more than one brake system on it.
At around 33:20 that pin that the horseshoe clip attaches to is not on these new bendix shoes. I understand now that I should’ve gone oem but can I remove that pin and place it on the new one? I really appreciate your videos they’re helping me out a lot here. Thanks Tim.
Hey Tim, I have no idea if it's possible to take the pins off the old shoes and put them on the Bendix shoes. If I had to guess, I don't think this would work out all that well. I would suggest returning the Bendix shoes and buying some OEM Toyota shoes. Good to hear our videos our helping you out. Happy Wrenching.
Haha my name isn’t actually Tim I was thanking you but anyway. I actually bought some other ones and they came with the pin separately. I’m under time constraints unfortunately and won’t be able to wait for oem. One more pain in rear step hammering that in but everything else applies. Thanks for the reply really appreciate it.
@@ca5ify No problem Carlos. I reckon I misread your question. I guess if I just looked at your name I would have figured out your were thanking me. Anyway, I hope the shoes work out for you.
prob a 3 tons jack in the center of the differential, and a 6 tons stand on each side.Nice bit of an overkill tho, considering I've done that job on a 90 series Prado only using a 2 ton jack in the center, or doing it one side at a time. xD Nice vids Timmy, you are so methodical with your repairs.
6 tons jacks are overkill just to support the rear of the rig, but I have them mostly due to the height they can achieve. Good to hear you like our videos. Heavily detailed step by step tutorials is what we are all about. We want to inspire people to turn wrenches and that includes total beginners. We are succeeding in that pursuit because we hear from people pretty regularly how our videos gave them them the confidence to tackle a job they thought was above their ability. Auto Mechanics, like I tell people all the time, isn't rocket science. With the Right Information, Right Tools and Right Level of Patience, anyone can turn wrenches with a high level of success. I'm proof of that because my mechanical ability is average at best. I'm for sure no mechanical genius. Thanks for the comment and Happy Wrenching!
@@TimmyTheToolman Did my front brakes and wheel bearings off your videos already. Want to do all the bushings, steering, and a lift kit as time permits. Been watching your other videos on these things as well! 1997 4Runner limited with the locker rear end. Pretty excited. How can I promote you more from this end. Thanks again!
@@charleshess5654 Nice to know our videos are helping you out. If you want to promote our channel, I guess just refer people to us that you think could benefit from our videos. On Toyota forums and Facebook pages, people mention us when they know we have a video covering the subject matter being discussed. I think that's the most you could do for us by spreading the word our channel exists.
I think there's more to it than that. It's only the front shoe that receives the uneven wear and both shoes are hinged the same. Most braking happens when the vehicle is driven forward and not in reverse. As the brakes are applied, the rotational force of the drum applies more force to the bottom half of the front shoe rather than the top half. I'm not a physics expert, but there's more in play with the uneven brake shoe wear than just how the shoes are hinged.
Hey Timmy…. Thanks for the great video. I followed the steps and thought I had my drum adjusted but now the rear drums are vibrating when I hit the brakes. This started right after I changed the drums…and ideas what might be causing the vibration?
Looking to pick up a 3rd gen limited 4x4. Love these vids, esp the timing belt job. Very clear explination, and good camera work. Earned another sub! 😎
I wish i would have see this video a month ago! I had a shop replace drums and shoes and i think they installed the break adjusters in reverse. Every time I use the parking break lever or I'm in reverse and short stop i start to lose my E-break completely.
Thanks for the video timmy. I have an 02 and I'm totally hung up trying to get the drum off. I tried using two bolts to press the drum off, but one hole is now stripped out. It seems like the shoes are preventing the drum from releasing. Curious if anyone has some info on how to loosen the shoes on an 02? I saw you mentioned the auto adjusting system is a bit different on 01-02 than the truck in the video.
Yeah, it's different. First, pull the access plug out of the back of the backing plate. Using a flashlight, look inside the hole and you'll see the star wheel adjuster. try pushing the wheel one way or the other. The way you can push it and get it to click is tightening. Now, with a small pick tool, you need to hook the adjuster plate and pull it toward you and away from the star wheel. Once you've done that, turn the star wheel with a flat blade screwdriver the opposite direction of tightening and you'll be able to take tension off the shoes and pull the drum off. I just hope things aren't too bound up from the shoes coming with the drums when you were using the bolt technique to draw the drum off. You might have to pound the drum back towards the axle to take tension off so you can back off the star adjuster. I hope all that makes sense.
Hey ! timmy l have a 95 toyota t100. I change the rear diferencial seal and after that l change the brake pads and I turned the drums, we bled the brakes, and l install the drums and ajusted the pads ,but when l turn on the engine and l put on drive, l pressed the brake pedal firmly and the drums don't stop, what more can do. Thanks for your videos ,l learn a lot , you explain everything very clear. Humberto.
Hey Humberto, It sounds like you either don't have the brake shoes adjusted properly or you didn't bleed the brakes correctly. Adjust the brake shoes to where you can just slip the drum over the shoes for a snug fit. It shouldn't be so tight that you have a hard time pulling off the drum. Pull the parking brake over and over again to finish the adjustment of the rear brakes like we show in the video. If the auto adjusters are working properly, using the parking brake should keep your drum brakes adjusted over time. For the brake bleeding, start at the rear passenger side wheel, then move to the rear driver side wheel, then front passenger side wheel and finally the front driver side wheel. If you have a load sensing proportioning valve, you bleed that last. Some vehicles require the ignition to be on to power the brake booster so it wouldn't hurt for you to turn your ignition to the "on" position (don't start the engine). Here's a link to our Brake Fluid Bleed/Flush video:th-cam.com/video/rnyK3V-OGn4/w-d-xo.html
If you're brakes are pulling, the brake grab is uneven for some reason. If it is your rear brakes causing it, I would be suspecting one of your rear axle seals is bad letting gear oil into the brakes. The oil coats the drum and shoes causing less grab. Whichever way your brakes are pulling the opposite side in the rear is compromised. So, if your brakes are making the rig pull left, it's your right rear brakes that are causing it. If the brakes are pulling right, it's an issue with the left rear brakes. The rear brakes stay in adjustment by using the parking brake on a regular basis. Maybe one of your bell cranks is frozen from corrosion and it's not pulling on the parking brake lever which in turn is turning the star wheel adjuster to keep the brake shoes properly adjusted. It could be that the rear brakes aren't the cause of the brake pulling. It could be an issue with one of the front brake calipers. It could be a rubber brake line that has collapsed internally not sending equal pressure to both brakes. Maybe it's one of your front control arms with worn bushings causing a shift when braking that causes the front end to pull. Anyway, I blah blahed enough. Let me know what you figure out. Good luck.
I completed the brake drum replacement today and it went well. Your instruction is so thorough. Thanks so much. No pull when braking. Only issue I had was with the horizontal spring removal. I found that removing the bolt on the OTC wrench and inverting the the hook so that it’s pulling the spring on the top for the passenger side made it easier to remove the high tension spring. Wish I can post a picture to illustrate. My next maintenance is the front diff and using Wits’ End seal driver. I’m in the Bay Area and been wanting to meet up at your BBQ but it’s always on my birthday weekend (Aug 6th). Hope to meet you in person one day. Thanks Tim!
@@richlien5598 Good to hear it went well Rich. That OTC brake tool isn't the greatest. When getting the spring back in, I use a screwdriver now to get it stretched into place. My birthday is August 5th. You'll have to make the next party. Don't know how much longer I'm going to be living in the Bay Area. I'm going to retire soon and move out of this area.
For getting the return spring back on, I have found that spring tool in the OTC kit to not work all that great. The technique that I have found that works better is I use a medium size phillips head screwdriver. I hook the one spring end onto the brake shoe behind the parking brake lever first. Then I put the other spring end onto the shaft of the screwdriver. I place the tip of the screwdriver into the slot of the the opposing brake shoe and then lever the screwdriver towards the shoe expanding the spring. The spring will slide down the shaft and you can help it along with your free hand. Once you get the spring end into the brake shoe hole and it's partially hooked, you can grab a flat head screwdriver or other tool to push the spring end further into place while getting the phillips head screwdriver out of the way. I hope that makes sense. With this technique, you eliminate any potential damage to the new brake shoe and I've found it much easier to get the spring in place using this technique.
Man, you're not kidding!!! That spring tool is worthless!!!
I found compressing the shoes with a carpenter's clamp... pushes in on the piston. If you compress it all the way down, getting on the spring is significantly easier. (Note: I had the brake line off because I was replacing the axle seal. However, I think the same method could be used if you loosen the bleeder screw and bleed the brake fluid while compressing the shoes.)
@@wesleyfuruya3659 Thanks for sharing your technique.
Timmy The Toolman no I used Brembo. What’s weird is it was doing the same thing with my stock ones. Which is why I had the drum turned in the first place. Very odd.
@@whatfreedom7 If the brake drum was turned right by the shop and the shoes aren't the problem, maybe the axle shaft is bent slightly. But, before I would be swapping out an axle shaft, I'd ask the shop you had turn the drums to do a caliper reading in several spots to see if the drum is even. I'd also try the OEM shoes because I've heard of people having issues with aftermarket shoes. But, how did this problem reveal itself to you? Was your rig in an accident?
I got a 3rd gen 4runner about 5 years ago for so many reasons, Timmy the Toolman is the icing on top that I didn't even know about. Really grateful for you, thanks Timmy!
Thanks for the kind words Anton. We appreciate it! You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!
This video saved me time and money - THANK YOU, TIMMY!
You're very welcome! Thanks for the Super Thanks!
My 97 grew up in Chicago and I know my job won't be this straightforward, but the different angles and detailed step by step will be invaluable. As always, top notch work.
Yeah, I imagine you will be fighting quite a bit of rust being that the rig was from Chicago where they have gnarly winters and use salt to de-ice the roadways. Good luck with the job and great to hear you like what Sean and I are doing. Happy Wrenching!
@@TimmyTheToolman gnarly winters!
This video on rear brakes IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST ONE ON TH-cam!!!...... THANKS Tim.....
You're very welcome Clyde and thanks for the nice compliment. We appreciate it!
Love having access to these vids! They’re such a perfect tool for me to continue servicing our (3) Third Gen 4Runners. Tim has such a gift of teaching and instructing others in way that makes it simple to understand and apply. I’m using this video to install these brake shoes on my Mom’s 2000 4runner. Thanks Again Tim!!!
Thanks Israel. I appreciate your comment. You've been the most notable longest standing subscriber of our channel. You've been with us from the beginning and you still take the time to comment. That's pretty cool. But yeah, you're very welcome Israel.
I like to think I am a seasoned home mechanic, but every time I watch one of your videos I pick up a new tip. I never thought to use a grip clamp to hold the shoe in place. Works like a charm. Another great video! Thanks again Jordan and Tim!
it4dps Good to hear you’re able to pick up tips from our videos. Glad you like the video and you’re very welcome. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
Excellent video. I own a 2000 RWD Tacoma SR5. Had no problem with the front brakes but the drum brakes were a bit more intimidating. This video really demonstrates and explains things clearly. Thanks a bunch.
Thanks and you're very welcome.
Greetings from L.A., CA. Just wanted to thank Timmy and the Camera Man for an absolutely fantastic tutorial. This video was extremely thorough and the way you explained it was direct and to the point. I also want to commend the camera angles and the lighting. The camera man held it perfectly steady, unlike other videos out there where I actually get dizzy watching it and the lighting was perfectly placed where it needed to be. The production and editing was simply top-notch. I just bought a 99 4Runner (V6) with over 173k miles and looking to do some of the work by myself. To call me a shade tree mechanic would be a compliment - believe me. With your videos I feel a little more confident in tackling this. To Timmy, the camera man and other folks who were involved in producing this video - Keep up the good work as you are helping MANY 4Runner owners out there. Take care guys and looking forward to watching the rest of your uploads. Stay safe...
Thanks Matt. Sean (The Cameraman) and I love hearing when our videos give someone the extra confidence to tackle repairs they might not have done without a good tutorial to follow. Our friend Jordan, who's 4runner we were working on, was the other contributor to this video. We do put a lot of effort into these videos and it's great to hear back from our viewers that they appreciate what we're doing. Happy Wrenching!
Thanks! I really appreciate how thorough your videos are!
You're very welcome. Glad you appreciate how detailed our videos are. Thanks for commenting.
TH-cam rocks all most as much as the people who spend the time to put out top quality videos like this and to go as far as using the "toyota manual" and video it so you can see and pause as you do steps blows my mind!
TH-cam has been a game changer for a lot of people. I've been helped by TH-cam videos and so has my buddy Sean and that's why we decided to film the Valve Cover Gasket Replacement video that started this whole thing for us. Glad you approve of the videos we've been making.
Gentlemen, thank you, thank you. I am a novice into repairing my daily driver Corolla ‘07. You guys give me the confidence to attempt changing my rear brakes.
You're welcome welcome! Good luck with the job.
You guys are awesome. Your video helped me working on my 2000 Toyota 4runnner. Before watching this video I was afraid that I may not be able to do this job but after watching the entire video I said to myself yes Its possible and I did the brake job. You have explained every little thing in your video compared to others. I salute you guys. Please keep doing good job.
Sorry I missed your comment years ago. We appreciate what you said. Thank you and Happy Wrenching!
Just wanted to tell you both thank you. So many videos out there and this is the only one that shows where to grease. Thank you so much!
You're very welcome!
Absolutely perfect step-by-step instructions on how to do a rear brake replacement & setup. Thanks so much for this information! You guys are tremendous!
You're welcome!
I can’t get enough of your videos man. They are like a Master mechanics class for these services. Way to go using the FSM for these jobs! I need to get a copy of that manual lol. Thanks for another great video!
Thanks Mike. Glad you're appreciating our efforts to put out good content. You can pick up a manual set on Ebay pretty easily. People are always selling them. Just do a search for your year and you'll find some sets for sale.
@@TimmyTheToolman Cool, thank you Tim. 👍🏻
Seriously thank you so so so so much for these videos you do. I was having issues with my brakes being soft and I learn from this video the rear brakes weren't adjusted properly. I spent so much time bleeding and bleeding and bleeding.. I should have just watched your video in the beginning. I owe you a big hug.
Hey Brice, you're very welcome. Great to hear our video helped you get your brakes dialed in. Happy Wrenching!
Best video on brakes, I've ever watched. Great Job Thanks.
Thanks Dago. We appreciate the nice compliment. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!
Hey Tim, great video as always. The devil is in the details, and as usual you cover the details in depth. This particular video was a big help to me for adjusting the brake shoe drag. Keep up the great work. You too Sean!
Thanks John. Great to hear you like our style of being very detailed with our videos. Some people complain about the length of our videos, but it's hard to keep them short and sweet when the job is labor intensive and requires lots of steps to complete. We appreciate you taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching John!
I have to apologize for commenting my frustrations on your Chanel, you give your time to and leave no stone unturned with your ability to talk through any situations that might occur. The price of aftermarket price makes OEM parts look expansive, my opinion, when in reality every design on Toyota was will designed and there culture from what I’ve seen and know is about respect, I could see the designers asking themselves “ how can I use this steal to its fullest potential. And Smack-ping-pang! Here you go, respect this 2002 double cab TRD Impulse red tacoma I’ve made just for you!
No worries. It's good for people to read your experience with aftermarket drums and shoes.
These videos are phenomenal, thank you so much for making them, it's a massive help.
Good to hear you're finding our videos helpful. Thanks for the compliment and Happy Wrenching!
You guys are awesome, I paid $550.00 for a complete brake work on my 2001 Toyota Tacoma 2 years ago, I have a 2002 toyota 4runner I will do it myself this time since I feel confident to do it myself after I watched your tutorial...thanks o lot
Hey Alejandro, thanks for the compliment. You can absolutely handle this yourself. The hardest part is getting that return spring off and back on. Since making this video, I've done rear brakes for several other people and found a new technique to getting the return spring back on. I take a phillips head screwdriver, capture the end of the spring on the shaft and put the tip of the screwdriver on the slot where I need the spring end to grab onto the opposing brake shoe. I lever the screwdriver towards the opposing shoe stretching the spring. The spring slides down the shaft and gets near the slot it has to seat into. Then I take another screwdriver to help slide it off the first screwdriver and get the hook of the spring to find it's home. It works pretty well. That specialty brake tool works ok to get the spring off but I found the screwdriver trick to work better getting the spring back on. Good luck with the job. Happy Wrenching!
Places here in Orange county charging the same thing. Forget that. Ill do myself
Great video Tim and crew....drum brakes have always been a little bit intimidating to me, but after watching your tutorial, I'm not afraid to try it now on my own....I recently (before I saw this) took my 2000 4Runner to a local brake shop to have the rear brakes "adjusted".....they charged me $50 and I thought I was getting a good deal....now I know better and I can save myself some money in the future just by pumping the parking brake handle....wow......much thanks and keep the videos coming !....
Hey Ken, glad you like the video and it's good to hear it's given you the confidence to do this job on your own.
Just like downtown. Great video as usual. Glad I found you guys. Tim makes it look easy & Sean gives the great camera angles 👍👍👍
Thanks Charlie. We appreciate you taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
Revisiting this video.. I have to say at 29:28, Toyota makes it so much easier to remove the emergency parking brake cable by releasing it from the bell crank lever that way. I remember doing this service on my older Forester, that part was ugh!. I just hope when I do this service, my diff breather and axle seals are ok. I really appreciate your team efforts to show all the steps in such great detail. Who needs a dealer/mechanic when we have these awesome videos :)
it's our style to show more detail than not. we want people who have never picked up a wrench to feel confident and capable of doing a job like this even if it is their first time. thanks for stopping by the comments and telling your local mechanic you don't need him/her anymore because you got the "Timmy the Toolman" show instead. hahah
@@TimmyTheToolman For sure! I know for some the videos might be a bit too long, but some parts in them are essential to avoid making mistakes or braking some important component. I'm waiting to replace my radiator, but OEM parts are taking forever to arrive! My next big job then will be the Timing Belt, I will definitely be counting on your videos for that.
@@Mike_44 that’s awesome. We hope the job goes smoothly for ya!
@@TimmyTheToolman Hey Tim, I finally got around doing this job, hadn't been using the 4Runner for a while. I also replaced the rear wheel cylinders and bled the brakes all around. And also replaced the Brake Booster before I did the rear brake service, but ended up with a spongy brake pedal right after. I was hoping that would go away after the rear brakes were serviced, but the spongy pedal feel remained. I was careful to use the ST for properly measuring the clearance between the Booster push rod and the master cylinder piston.. Any idea why the pedal would still feel spongy? The Booster was not OEM, I couldn't afford it..
@@Mike_44 Hard to say what the issue is Mike. Did you ever let the master cylinder run dry?
just what i needed to watch on this fine cold snowy saturday morning !
looking forward to this job now
Good luck with the job. Hope it goes smooth for you.
Brother, thank you a ton. You just saved me.from going crazy! Blessings on blessings to you and your loved ones.
You're very welcome. We're here to help, Bro! I guess our videos are better therapy than Xanax.
Idk.about that, but right there next to it.
I am gonna subscribe. Already hit that like button.
@@BrandonKing-z1y Welcome aboard the Timmy the Toolman train. You'll find lot's of helpful content on our channel and we're always coming out with new stuff to learn from.
A fantastic video! The clearest and most detailed explanation. My compliments. I am currently using it on a 1993 Surf diesel in Australia. (Surf is Japanese Domestic Market 4 runner). Is exactly like in the video with exception of the bell crank. On mine the handbrake cable goes directly to the lever. Again thanks so much for this first class work.
Thanks for the nice compliment of our work Bastiaan. We appreciate it! Happy Wrenching our Australian Toyota Brother.
One thing to add here. the gasket that the service manual shows under the drum when you first remove it. It shows as non-reusable. I think that’s the part that tends to seize to the drum, perhaps that’s intentional on Toyotas part like their oxygen sensors are meant to seize slightly. In any case I wanted to bring attention to that gasket needing to be replaced. Thanks for the super helpful videos
I've never seen that gasket on any Toyota SUV or Truck. I've seen it on parts schematics, but have never actually seen the gasket in place on a vehicle.
@TimmyTheToolman have you ever been the very first one to ever touch the drums on a vehicle Before any dealer tech or other touched it? My mother has a 2o11 Tacoma that the dealer never touched the drums yet AFAIK I was the first to pull those off at around 70k miles after starting to watch your channel and decided to start personally looking after her hot Barcelona red single cab 4x4 and save her many hundreds to thousands of dollars over what would otherwise be paid to a dealershop or other monkey.
Getting back on the point... So I was likely the first ever to remove the drums on her Tacoma and there was a white paper gasket stuck on the hub that had to be scraped off and a new one put on. This was almost two years a go. I need to remove those drums again this to check and clean brake dust and it will be interesting to see how that white drum gasket has held up inside there
@efil4kizum I have never seen that paper gasket in person, only in a parts schematic, so I doubt I've ever been the first to look at someone's brakes.
Outstanding video! Looking forward to doing this with my son on his 2002 4runner. We have already replaced the front rotors and pads. Thank you!
Just to prepare you, your rear brakes might look a little different. Toyota had 2 designs to the rear brake setup. If that ends up being the case, just take pictures and do only one side at a time so you know how everything goes back together.
Just wanted to say thanks, guys. Just did this, and since I replaced the wheel cylinders I did your brake flush/replace as well. Everything worked great, and I've gained a lot of mechanical confidence - thanks so much!
You're very welcome. Great to hear our video helped you out and you've gaining more confidence turning wrenches. Auto mechanics is something we can all learn to do if we have the desire. Happy Wrenching!
My 01 SR5 2wd was not exactly the same or it had been modified by the previous owner. But I was able to get it all back together correctly. One thing I found to be helpful is, when I got the springs that hold the shoes to backing plate in place, I took a small ratchet strap and went around both shoes to ratchet it tight to hold it all together. That made it much easier to stretch the adjuster spring into place plus it kept the piston compressed. I found this video to be very useful for all of the grease points. Thanks again!
Hey Craig, I like that ratchet strap idea. Great Macgyvering! Glad you found our video helpful. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!
Bro! Followed your video to a tee and it worked like a charm. Thanks for posting and sharing your knowledge. Very commendable of you. Since I am active duty and serving, I salute you!
Zack Torro Hey Zach, great to hear our video helped you out. I love my country and I'm stoked to hear our video helped someone who's active duty in the armed forces. Thanks for your service. Happy Wrenching Soldier! Salute returned.
Awesome video as usual! This one in particular gave me the information I needed to decide to sit this project out and just have my buddies shop do it :) Some of the jobs look a lot more fun than others.
These are pretty easy brakes to work on, but at least you have a buddy that owns a shop and hopefully he gives you a deal on the labor.
I had a hard time but i did it. Thank you Timmy. I had to buy just onepiston cylinder. Whoa it took me 1 day and 3 hours. Hardest job ive done on a my 4Runner yet
Good job Roberto. It took you some time but you have the satisfaction you did it yourself and didn't have to pay a shop to do it. Also, you now have knowledge you can share with others. Happy Wrenching!
Great detail with brake job and HD quality my brother Tim!! Note: If anyone doesn't route the E-brake cable correctly, it will never adjust! Thanks for your awesome video Tim!!
Thanks for the tip Jake. Glad you like the video.
Thanks Tim. Like others I was hesitant about taking on this job but your tutorials made it easy. Wish I'd stayed until the end to watch the part about adjusting the screw outside the drum. Failed my MOT because the handbrake was slack on one side, so I came back and re-watched it all again.
You're welcome Nick. Good to hear our video gave you the confidence to tackle this job. We like hearing success stories like this. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
The best step by step instructions, thanks
@@yardboy3955 You're welcome
Another great tutorial! I watched the video enough times to almost commit it to memory.
My 2002 then surprised me with a different set up (The set up on the video 3rd gen seems more stout in my opinion). But knowing how the parts interact I was able to complete the job, with the right tools and supplies on hand. The clamp was genius and very helpful.
I did have to change out the bell cranks as mine were seized up. The only guess work came to proper adjustment of the brakes. I thought I would get an ah-ha moment when putting on the drums and feeling for drag. It was really just trial and error.
Before I would get thrown forward stopping at slow speeds by having nothing but front brakes. Seriously, how can you look cool cruising the mall like that?
Now I’m smooth and have an ebrake.
Thanks again!
Hey Brian, we're glad you like the video and that it helped you out. I was surprised as well when I was working on a guy's 3rd Gen 4runner and saw a different rear brake set-up than the one I've seen on my rigs and Sean's rigs. I guess Toyota decided to use a different self-adjusting system at some point. I prefer the set-up like we show in the video. Toyota should have left it alone and kept the same design. Good job getting your rear brakes working for you again. And, Happy Mall Crawling.
That was worth watching.... The detail in the procedure is really informative!
Thanks Jimmy! We're glad you found it informative.
1) you're awesome, very professional and well done. all you guys are great
2) i'm never buying a 4runner from the Midwest again after seeing how clean and rust free that vehicle is
3) i had no clue that the parking brake adjusted the rear brakes, i was told that putting it in reverse adjusted the rear brakes...i was obviously told wrong
4) i feel like i owe you some money after watching that video and all the hard work you put in to it. i hope you get many more subscribers and offer some merchandise at some point...i want to help contribute to your channel so you can do this full time
5) i caught myself scrolling with my mouse when you got to the service manual page trying to see that top of the page....haha
i used to think that forums on the internet were the best thing to come along to shadetree mechanics such as myself, they were at the time but with the advent of youtube, 4k video, and the ability for the common person to create a video of this quality...this is now the new standard for how-to videos and help with a project. i used to run the Indiana chapter of TTORA and had some tutorials on my website, i always wanted to try to give back some in exchange for all of those that helped me.
Here are a few tips from me to beginners (and pros) doing work like this:
-take pictures or video of your project before you start to disassemble something (you mentioned that)
-i used a collection of paint markers at work and will put a yellow mark on the part and the spot it came off of...just use a different color for the different parts and locations. the number system works too but takes a little longer
-do one side at a time when you can, especially on drum brakes
-ALWAYS USE OEM PARTS WHEN YOU CAN!!! you'll regret it if you don't, Jordan in the video is already a believer in this
This channel is way better than anything on TV to me...i watched the whole video and i'm not even doing a brake job! Keep up the great work guys
Thanks Robert. That's a hell of a compliment you gave us and we appreciate it.
As for doing this full time, I don't know if that would ever happen because we would need a ton more subscribers. Basically we'd have to get millions of subscribers like Chris Fix has. Sean and I and the others that have contributed to our videos like Jordan are just dudes who like to turn a wrench and give back to the DIY auto mechanics of the world. The money isn't the motivating factor for us. Really, our payment is people letting us know how much one of our videos helped them out. We never get tired of hearing how a video of ours enabled somebody to do a job they thought was above their ability and they were successful and saved themselves a lot of money. It really is a cool feeling to know you did something on your own and avoided the high labor rates shops charge.
I agree with you that having a video is so much better than forum write-ups. The write-ups are awesome and I still use them as references but a video can just show much more detail on how to do something. I love forums and I'm on them everyday for the information that's shared. But, when it comes time to turn a wrench, I'll look for a quality video first before using a write-up with pictures.
Your tips are solid ones. Taking pictures, marking things and doing one side of a time are all very helpful so you remember how things go back together. I did this exact thing when I did my valve cover gasket job.
Thanks again Robert for the kind words. Happy Wrenching!
Timmy The Toolman you guys have the equipment and ability... Toyota guys could use a channel dedicated to them as popular as they are. Wish you guys were around back when I was still offroading and Ttora Indiana chapter president...I miss those times. I'm in to 4runners now...not offroading though unfortunately
robert riedel Glad u subscribed Robert. We're going to keep on keeping on with these videos. No sign of stopping any time soon. We're having too much fun!
Timmy, fantastic video. I just did my 2000 4Runner this morning. Only hiccup was the retainer pins for the shoes. They were 3mm shorter than the originals. My bad for not checking them first.
I used Jordan’s method for adjusting the shoes. It worked like a dream. A little extra time checking and adjusting; but it was worth it.
No adjustments after the test drive.
Glad you like the video Dale. Sounds like you didn't buy OEM shoes. Just be sure to always use your parking brake. It takes pressure off the parking pawl and it keeps your rear brakes adjusted.
@@TimmyTheToolman got the OEM shoes. Didn’t get the OEM spring and hardware kit. They were out. But I thought the after market would be fine, WRONG. Very close except for pin length.
@@dalekessler98 Yeah, I've heard of lots of issues with aftermarket shoes.
I love the extra detail, you don't cut any corners, and you think of the different issues that might come up.
Although I must add it's still a PITA. One of the things I don't miss in the 4th gens.
These drum brakes are pretty easy to work on compared to other drum brake set-ups I've seen. Rear brake shoes last a very long time so at least it's not something you're going to have to do very often, maybe every 100k miles.
Lol...even with the phenomenal tutorial... this job was like wresting an Octopus.. I've done the TBU, the Timing Belt and all its parts, Axle Bearings, fuel pump.... This was the single most frustrating repair I have done to my T4R. Even though I wanted to light it on fire, I appreciated the video.
What Hang-ups were you experiencing?
It works! Amazing! Thanks so much! My 2006 Highlander has been limping along and I was worried this was one more thing to add to the list of ailments. But holding the tilt button down totally worked.
I don't understand the tilt button mention, but glad our video helped you out.
Great video! Jealous of the lack of rust!
We're glad you like the video and thank for taking the time to comment.
Yeah, us West Coasters that aren't living in snow areas where they salt the roads are pretty fortunate. I've seen pictures on Toyota forums of undercarriages from people who live in the rust belts of the country and I just cringe when I think of the hassles involved working on those vehicles. Stripping nuts and bolts or breaking them off doesn't sound like much fun.
Your videos are very complete. Thanks for posting them. We’re learning a ton.
Thanks David. Glad you're finding our informative. Happy Wrenching!
Tim thanks for all your knowledge with Toyota’s. Please continue to make repair videos i truly rely on your assistance to do my DIY projects on my Tacoma. Thank you
You're very welcome Tristin. Great to hear our videos are helping you out. We appreciate you taking the time to comment to let us know. Don't worry. We're going to be making videos for quite some time. Happy Wrenching!
Best tutorials on the internet.
Thanks! We appreciate the nice compliment and we appreciate you took the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
Timmy... I always love the way you explain every details. Awesome and thank you mate
Good to hear you appreciate the detail we offer in our videos. We want people to succeed using our videos as a tutorial and that's why we put the extra effort in. You're very welcome and thanks for taking the time to comment.
Very detailed, very patient, and a great video. Thank you for sharing all your knowledge and expertise.
You're welcome Derek. We're glad you like the video. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
Really well explained. I am working on mine. It's a 1999 4R. Your explanations are spot on.
Thanks. It's great to hear our video is helping you out. Happy Wrenching!
Great video as always guys! Just wanted to note that the setup is a little different on the 01-02 models. The master cylinder is a little different, as well as the adjuster mechanism. The adjuster arm goes behind the shoes instead of in front and on mine, I can’t adjust the star wheel with the parking brake lever. I think it’s just one spring less, so I’ve got to do my adjustments direction on the star wheel.
Thanks Chris. We did hear after making this video the 01 and 02 models are different. So you're saying the parking brake lever doesn't actuate the star wheel adjuster? That means the rear brakes don't automatically adjust when using the parking brake. I wonder how they stay in adjustment then. I doubt people have to get in there on a regular basis to make adjustments to the star wheel from the access hole on the brake backing plate.
@@TimmyTheToolman yeah, I’m not exactly sure, but wouldn’t the brakes be continually adjusted by applying the brakes? As the shoes wear they would adjust anyway, right? I am by now means an expert, I defer to you guys for that!
@@Not_That_Chris With the style drum brakes we show working on in this video, using the service brake does nothing to keep the brakes adjusted. It's the use of the parking brake that keeps the brakes in the proper adjustment. I've never worked on the newer model type of brake shoe setup like you have so maybe using the brakes normally gets the self adjuster to actuate when the shoes wear enough for the adjuster to move a click or two. One way to test this is back off the star wheel adjuster for the brakes a lot and then put a bungy cord tightly around the brake shoes to offer some tension. Have someone very lightly push a little pressure on the brake pedal while you're watching what's happening with the brakes. You would be looking to see after a certain amount of movement of the brake shoes and then the person let's off the brakes, did the adjuster plate turn the star wheel to tighten the brakes a little.
lol @ GoT theme dealing with the horseshoe clip.
Excellent video as always, Tim.
Yeah, that horseshoe clip is a bit of a pain in the butt. Glad you like the video.
@@TimmyTheToolman it’s been helpful - what started with pulling my third member for a diff rebuild turned into axles seals, wheel bearing, and a brake job (as a result of the blown axle seal). Like an onion, layer after stinky layer and nothing but tears the whole way down, but It’ll all be fresh and crispy when it’s done!
@@gohilux Cool. Good luck with all the work.
Excellent video going take on rear brake replacement on 2nd Gen 4 Runner .
Thanks and keep video's coming..
Good luck with the brake job.
Once again, another super helpful video. Thx!
Happy to help!
- Sean
Great video! I should have taken a pic of all the mud inside my drums.
One thing that would have helped me is the adjuster on the driver side has left hand thread. The adjuster on the passenger side has right hand thread.
Glad you like the video.
That’s a cool little grease dispenser do you put tubes in that or how does that work. Do you have a link?
That grease gun and all the other tools and parts used for the job are listed in the video description. You can expand the video description by clicking on "more." There is no cartridge for these little grease guns. You hand pack it.
Awesome
Well explained video
Thanks Will.
Absolutely awesome video! Fabulous detail, good narration, and camera. Thank you so much!
Thanks for the nice compliment. We appreciate it. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!
Thank you for taking the time to do this.
You're very welcome.
For that return spring I used an old philips head screwdriver 🪛 that I ground into a point and stick it in the hole 🕳️ and then slide the spring down the shank into the hole.
I’ve had that old screwdriver for over 35 years and use it for a lot of things. Punch scribe, spring install tool.
Your technique to get that return spring on is what I went to also. I use a Phillips screwdriver just like you said.
Great video. You are a great teacher.👍
Thanks for the nice compliment. We appreciate it!
If rust is the issue (I am originally from Michigan and rust was ALWAYS an issue) a good way of loosening the drum from the hub is to use a heavy metal hammer and hit the drum right at the hub between the studs and just outside the studs. For what it is worth and thanks for the excellent video.
Thanks for sharing your rust breaking technique. You're very welcome. Glad you like the video.
the 2 screw method works much better than beating on them, especially if you have the drums coated to prevent the crusty
Excellent video, I've watched many brake videos and this one is tops!
Thanks! We appreciate the compliment.
Great vid !!
Thanks
Thanks and you're welcome.
Great video! Couldn't have done it without this video.
Thanks John. Good to hear our video helped you out.
What would we do without you! Thank you Timmy
You would survive, just barely.
I love this video. Great info. BUT it doesn't match the brakes on my 2002 4Runner SR5. On mine the adjustor that goes against the star wheel to tighten it is attached to the opposite shoe and comes in behind the star wheel, not in front of it as seen in this video. It looks completely different. So the 3rd gen must have had more than one brake system on it.
Hey Jeff, yeah, Toyota did do a different version of the rear brakes for the 01 and 02 models. One day we will make a video for those years as well.
Timmy The Toolman looking forward to this year model video. Maybe we could use my 2002?
@@gunsfishand4x4 Where do you live?
Timmy The Toolman LA area. But have been meaning to visit my uncle in San Bruno soon.
@@gunsfishand4x4 Maybe we could set something up then.
28:13 How did you exactly pulled it out? it looks broken on the end
It just slides out. It's not broken. You'll understand when you do the job.
@@TimmyTheToolman Thank you
At around 33:20 that pin that the horseshoe clip attaches to is not on these new bendix shoes. I understand now that I should’ve gone oem but can I remove that pin and place it on the new one? I really appreciate your videos they’re helping me out a lot here. Thanks Tim.
Hey Tim, I have no idea if it's possible to take the pins off the old shoes and put them on the Bendix shoes. If I had to guess, I don't think this would work out all that well. I would suggest returning the Bendix shoes and buying some OEM Toyota shoes. Good to hear our videos our helping you out. Happy Wrenching.
Haha my name isn’t actually Tim I was thanking you but anyway. I actually bought some other ones and they came with the pin separately. I’m under time constraints unfortunately and won’t be able to wait for oem. One more pain in rear step hammering that in but everything else applies. Thanks for the reply really appreciate it.
@@ca5ify No problem Carlos. I reckon I misread your question. I guess if I just looked at your name I would have figured out your were thanking me. Anyway, I hope the shoes work out for you.
This was very informative
Thank you very much
You're very welcome Greg. Glad you found the video informative.
Great video for us Tacoma owners. THx !
You're welcome Burt. Happy Wrenching!
Thank you for posting this. Very helpful sir.
You're very welcome. Glad you found it helpful.
prob a 3 tons jack in the center of the differential, and a 6 tons stand on each side.Nice
bit of an overkill tho, considering I've done that job on a 90 series Prado only using a 2 ton jack in the center, or doing it one side at a time. xD
Nice vids Timmy, you are so methodical with your repairs.
6 tons jacks are overkill just to support the rear of the rig, but I have them mostly due to the height they can achieve. Good to hear you like our videos. Heavily detailed step by step tutorials is what we are all about. We want to inspire people to turn wrenches and that includes total beginners. We are succeeding in that pursuit because we hear from people pretty regularly how our videos gave them them the confidence to tackle a job they thought was above their ability. Auto Mechanics, like I tell people all the time, isn't rocket science. With the Right Information, Right Tools and Right Level of Patience, anyone can turn wrenches with a high level of success. I'm proof of that because my mechanical ability is average at best. I'm for sure no mechanical genius. Thanks for the comment and Happy Wrenching!
I love your videos!
Great to hear Charles. Thanks for taking the time to let us know. We appreciate it!
@@TimmyTheToolman Did my front brakes and wheel bearings off your videos already. Want to do all the bushings, steering, and a lift kit as time permits. Been watching your other videos on these things as well! 1997 4Runner limited with the locker rear end. Pretty excited. How can I promote you more from this end. Thanks again!
@@charleshess5654 Nice to know our videos are helping you out. If you want to promote our channel, I guess just refer people to us that you think could benefit from our videos. On Toyota forums and Facebook pages, people mention us when they know we have a video covering the subject matter being discussed. I think that's the most you could do for us by spreading the word our channel exists.
Great video by the book (FSM). Good job.. Many other repair videos are done by hacks.
Thanks! We appreciate your nice compliment.
I@18:05 I've always known shoes to wear uneven like that because of the way they're hinged.
I think there's more to it than that. It's only the front shoe that receives the uneven wear and both shoes are hinged the same. Most braking happens when the vehicle is driven forward and not in reverse. As the brakes are applied, the rotational force of the drum applies more force to the bottom half of the front shoe rather than the top half. I'm not a physics expert, but there's more in play with the uneven brake shoe wear than just how the shoes are hinged.
You save my life Sir! Thanks!
Glad we could be of service to you Greg. You're very welcome.
Great vid
Thanks!
Thank you so much for this video سپاسگزارم
You're very welcome.
Fantastic video! Worked a treat.
Thanks Dennis, glad the job went well for you.
Tou guys are outstanding. Great video. Very informative
Thanks for the compliment. Glad you found the video helpful.
This is such a huge help - thanks so much guys!
Great to hear you found this video helpful Jeff. You're very welcome and Happy Wrenching!
Great video as always Timmy. 👌👍
Thanks, glad you like it.
Very nice video Tim
Thanks Siriaco!
yeah, keep em comin Mr Timmy the Tool Man
That's the plan.
Hey Timmy…. Thanks for the great video. I followed the steps and thought I had my drum adjusted but now the rear drums are vibrating when I hit the brakes. This started right after I changed the drums…and ideas what might be causing the vibration?
Did you use OEM drums and OEM shoes? If not, that's your problem.
Excellent video, very well explained
Thanks Alfredo. We're glad you like it.
This video is great - love how thorough you are with your instructions. Could you use Permatex 80078 Anti-Seize Lubricant in place of the CRC grease?
I suppose it would work as long as the Permatex is rated for high temps.
Looking to pick up a 3rd gen limited 4x4. Love these vids, esp the timing belt job. Very clear explination, and good camera work.
Earned another sub! 😎
Refried Beans Welcome aboard the Timmy the Toolman train. Sean and I will be making videos for a long time so I think you made a good decision.
Great amazing video guys. Great editing and good clear picture as well as the knowledge explain
Hey Humberto, we're glad you like the video. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy Wrenching!
Excellent top tier video men...thank you!
Thanks Gerald. We're glad you like it and you're very welcome.
I wish i would have see this video a month ago! I had a shop replace drums and shoes and i think they installed the break adjusters in reverse. Every time I use the parking break lever or I'm in reverse and short stop i start to lose my E-break completely.
Yeah, better inspect them to figure out what they did wrong.
Another Great Video, Thanks Guys
Thanks Ray. You're very welcome!
Thanks for the video timmy.
I have an 02 and I'm totally hung up trying to get the drum off. I tried using two bolts to press the drum off, but one hole is now stripped out.
It seems like the shoes are preventing the drum from releasing. Curious if anyone has some info on how to loosen the shoes on an 02? I saw you mentioned the auto adjusting system is a bit different on 01-02 than the truck in the video.
Yeah, it's different. First, pull the access plug out of the back of the backing plate. Using a flashlight, look inside the hole and you'll see the star wheel adjuster. try pushing the wheel one way or the other. The way you can push it and get it to click is tightening. Now, with a small pick tool, you need to hook the adjuster plate and pull it toward you and away from the star wheel. Once you've done that, turn the star wheel with a flat blade screwdriver the opposite direction of tightening and you'll be able to take tension off the shoes and pull the drum off. I just hope things aren't too bound up from the shoes coming with the drums when you were using the bolt technique to draw the drum off. You might have to pound the drum back towards the axle to take tension off so you can back off the star adjuster. I hope all that makes sense.
Hey ! timmy l have a 95 toyota t100. I change the rear diferencial seal and after that l change the brake pads and I turned the drums, we bled the brakes, and l install the drums and ajusted the pads ,but when l turn on the engine and l put on drive, l pressed the brake pedal firmly and the drums don't stop, what more can do. Thanks for your videos ,l learn a lot , you explain everything very clear. Humberto.
Hey Humberto, It sounds like you either don't have the brake shoes adjusted properly or you didn't bleed the brakes correctly. Adjust the brake shoes to where you can just slip the drum over the shoes for a snug fit. It shouldn't be so tight that you have a hard time pulling off the drum. Pull the parking brake over and over again to finish the adjustment of the rear brakes like we show in the video. If the auto adjusters are working properly, using the parking brake should keep your drum brakes adjusted over time.
For the brake bleeding, start at the rear passenger side wheel, then move to the rear driver side wheel, then front passenger side wheel and finally the front driver side wheel. If you have a load sensing proportioning valve, you bleed that last. Some vehicles require the ignition to be on to power the brake booster so it wouldn't hurt for you to turn your ignition to the "on" position (don't start the engine). Here's a link to our Brake Fluid Bleed/Flush video:th-cam.com/video/rnyK3V-OGn4/w-d-xo.html
Pls. Man make more videos... Thank u so much
We're still making them. No plans to.quit just yet. You're very welcome.
As always great video. I’m planning to do the drum replacement this weekend. What should you do if the braking is pulling to either left or right?
If you're brakes are pulling, the brake grab is uneven for some reason. If it is your rear brakes causing it, I would be suspecting one of your rear axle seals is bad letting gear oil into the brakes. The oil coats the drum and shoes causing less grab. Whichever way your brakes are pulling the opposite side in the rear is compromised. So, if your brakes are making the rig pull left, it's your right rear brakes that are causing it. If the brakes are pulling right, it's an issue with the left rear brakes. The rear brakes stay in adjustment by using the parking brake on a regular basis. Maybe one of your bell cranks is frozen from corrosion and it's not pulling on the parking brake lever which in turn is turning the star wheel adjuster to keep the brake shoes properly adjusted.
It could be that the rear brakes aren't the cause of the brake pulling. It could be an issue with one of the front brake calipers. It could be a rubber brake line that has collapsed internally not sending equal pressure to both brakes. Maybe it's one of your front control arms with worn bushings causing a shift when braking that causes the front end to pull.
Anyway, I blah blahed enough. Let me know what you figure out. Good luck.
@@TimmyTheToolman Thanks so much Timmy. This is very helpful.
@@richlien5598 You're welcome Rich.
I completed the brake drum replacement today and it went well. Your instruction is so thorough. Thanks so much. No pull when braking. Only issue I had was with the horizontal spring removal. I found that removing the bolt on the OTC wrench and inverting the the hook so that it’s pulling the spring on the top for the passenger side made it easier to remove the high tension spring. Wish I can post a picture to illustrate. My next maintenance is the front diff and using Wits’ End seal driver. I’m in the Bay Area and been wanting to meet up at your BBQ but it’s always on my birthday weekend (Aug 6th). Hope to meet you in person one day. Thanks Tim!
@@richlien5598 Good to hear it went well Rich. That OTC brake tool isn't the greatest. When getting the spring back in, I use a screwdriver now to get it stretched into place. My birthday is August 5th. You'll have to make the next party. Don't know how much longer I'm going to be living in the Bay Area. I'm going to retire soon and move out of this area.
Very good information , thanks for the help!
You're welcome Mark.