Marlin 1894 Lever Action 44 Magnum - This One is a Mess And We Will Slug The Barrel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2019
- Got my new (for me) Marlin 1894 lever action 44 Magnum and it won't chamber a round. We're going to clean it up, lube the appropriate surfaces and see if it's a keeper or going back to the seller. I'm also going to show you how to slug the barrel, important if you want to shoot cast bullets in a rifle with Micro-Groove rifling.
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Well, I wasn't clear in the video, but the cleaning and lubrication didn't fix the problems with this otherwise fine rifle. I loaded up the magazine twice with 10 rounds and it cycled the first ten rounds, with difficulty, but at least they cycled through. But the rifle locked up halfway through the next ten and I had to disassemble it to get the remaining rounds out. So that is why the rifle is going back. And thanks go to the seller, because I was a couple of days past the 3 day return window.
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@@TargetSuite Sorry to learn the Marlin 44 didn't feed. Sometimes the 1894 needs a little polishing of feed ramp into chamber and a good lapping with 1200 grit diamond dust on all parts. The gun should feed factory ammo anyway but any will work if all parts are within specs, just need a little gunsmithing applied in the right places. I assume in the case of you going to return the rifle you didn't get into serious gunsmithing. Still great video.
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@ancientriflesmith That was my first Marlin to really work on and it had so many problems, I just felt more comfortable returning it for a refund and getting another one. It's funny (not really), the one I replaced it with was better in a lot of ways, but no matter what ammo I use it just doesn't shoot well (accurately). My "World Record" video will give you an idea how bad that one is . . . th-cam.com/video/7B0fviTaMPc/w-d-xo.html
Great presentation. Marlin 44 magnums usually need .431 slugs for best accuracy. I was surprised to hear you state you need jacketed bullets for hunting. I've hunted with cast bullets for all game since 1949 with outstanding success. Of course the lead alloy must be right for the bullet to do its job. Must say after being a custom gunsmith for 60 years, you handled that take down of the Marlin like it wasn't your first 'smithin. Thanks for informative video
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@ancientriflesmith I've learned a lot about cast bullets since this video. If you look as some of my later videos I have really begun to dig into cast bullet geometry, hardness and "terminal ballistics". As far as my 'smithin' prowess, it's been learn as you go and I know just enough to keep from getting in trouble. My "advanced degree" came with the Winchester 1886 I got last year. Here is a link to my video on disassembly/reassembly of that rifle th-cam.com/video/v3fgm3RJn0Q/w-d-xo.html Thanks for the comment!
I welded stellite to my carrier and grounded it down till the timing was right on the money I also welded some to the lever to get the bolt back quicker and rounded the cam with wax polish and it runneth the optimum now I only neck size my brass with hornady xtp 180 grain .431 I used a egg weight at the throat of the beginning first inch of lands and came up with .432 as my demintion I used hot load of h110 and the high dollar stuff n110 at the 1550 ft per sec mark and I nail the 8 inch steel at 100 yards almost every round with my 1971 marlin 1894 love the little bastard to death but at first it was plagued with the old marlin jam but I fixed that bastard and it shoots like a dream I just wish I could shoot both specials and magnum out of it since it is roll stamped only with .44 mag. But I love it I just wish I didn't have to use the bigger bullets I would like to try the powder coated lead at .432 and see how that runs with less leading and more accuracy. Ps you can take a breather in the middle of this sentence anytime you want.
Hahaha!!! I'm sure there's great stuff in there. I just have to figure out where the periods go.
Good video. Just bought a rusty .357 off GB to rebarrel with a factory 1894CL .25-20 barrel with the intention to rechamber to .256WM. Can't wait to get it together.
Sounds like a great project.
Very nice videos, now I'm binge watching lol. Earned a new sub for all your hard work!
Thanks! Welcome aboard!
Looking forward to this next rifle video and curious to see how the slug dimensions compare.
Yep. I've had enough experience with Marlins to know this one was an anomaly. Can't wait for the next one. It probably won't get here in time for a video next week, but maybe. First thing I'll do with that rifle is see if it cycles ammo. Second, I'll clean it, and third, slug that barrel! Can't wait!
thank you for your service to our country .
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Yes slugging the barrel is the most common sense way to measure it...I cast and shoot a .432....feeding is critical...over all lenth is very important.....the lifter can be adjusted...but it's not as easy as it sounds....mine functions perfectly with my home cast and hand loaded fodder....it kills well also....may someone tinkered with this rifle and knew not what they were doing...a Copenhagen can dont have a chance at 100 yards.....also you can just tap pure lead in the bore and drive it out the chamber end...
Thanks James. Great comment!
George, glad you were ok with returning the rifle to the seller. Incredulous that a seller would try to pawn that gun off on someone through gunbroker. Must not have heard about gun shows lol
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But why to give up so easily? If it CAN load all the 10 rounds and later on the problem arises again, it means that probably a spring connected to the lever becomes loosened and "gets in the way" so to speak. Can't it be visually (and palpably) traced down? Another question: is there any problem when cartridges are loaded (and fired) one by one?
Great question. It's a matter of finances and confidence. I couldn't afford to keep a rifle that had problems like this one, and, I wasn't 100% confident I had the skills and equipment to fix what I might find. There is no problem with single loading a lever action rifle, putting rounds directly in the chamber. That's what my friend Keith was doing with his 45-70 since it wouldn't cycle a round from the magazine to the chamber. I did run that problem to ground and you can see that whole story unfold in my video a few weeks after this one titled "Marlin 1895 Mystery Solved"
That goes for most 1894 Marlins in .44 mag. Stamped jm. Wid microgroove barrels.Keep on to it!.
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Poor thing. '94 Marlin abuse! The previous Perps need their attitude "re-adjusted". I would have taken that Marlin home in a heartbeat! Front Sight repair cost may have stung a little, but well worth it.
I keep a shop drawer full of stones: keep the tools sharp and smooth the surfaces and edges where necessary. We shouldn't have to do that but it happens.
Marlin, redesigned the "elevator/bullet stop" assembly BECAUSE of the jamming issues. Well documented problem, and all of my '94's went back to Marlin retrofitted. Rounds, 4,5, and 9. Jammed hard. (No charge, either!). REMLIN however, does not recognize any prior issues with pre Remington weapons- (they don't have the experience/expertise in lever action rifles), and too bad.
Not really. The redesigned units, based on production/date for s available, in the aftermarket parts world and it's a drop in part.
The ejector spring looked a little bit chintzy (Chinese Cheep). The Marlin spring/USA made part, although not cheap is seriously robust. Again previous Perps!
I'm with you 100% on sending that rifle back to the seller. Unknowns, knowns, yeah whatever. I feel they had a sows ear, knew it and wanted to ease it away, politely. I'm glad they just stepped right up and took care of business!
You are doing very well with the "new" '79 issue and that's great!
Great work and videos! Keep them coming!!
I'm all in on fixing up the old Marlins😉 But with a limited budget to spend on TH-cam, I just couldn't take the chance with that one. But my experience is growing with each rifle and today, I might be inclined to "continue the discovery". Got my eye out now for a 1950 vintage waffle top 336 in 35 Remington. I will give it some exposure on the channel, but it's really a rifle for my grandson down the road. Thanks for jumping in on the comments!
Thanks for the video and the info in the thread. I’m new to lever action rifles and I was thinking of buying a Marlin 1894 chambered in 44mag. I heard good and bad things about this rifle and some things I heard is that since Marlin was bought out, their lever action rifles aren’t made as good as they used to be and the newer Marlin lever actions have issues. What do you think of all of that?
Marlin rifles definitely went through some growing pains with the transition to Remington control. But from what I hear and see on TH-cam, those days are behind them. So If you are buying used, beware. And you can still get a lemon, as with anything, but I personally wouldn't hesitate to buy a new Marlin 1894. Just my $.02. Thanks!
Thanks! I appreciate your feedback.
glenfield model 30 A 30-30 worth fixin up ? thanks
Absolutely. My understanding is that the "store branded" Marlins were 100% function, just with a little less bling.
i had one i bought in 1973 out of 10 rounds it might hit a paper plate two times at 50 yards the one that hit were key holed i was shooting 250 gr. keith bullets sized 430 over 22gr. 2400 powder same load shot great out of my super blackhawk got rid of it
Hi Andy. Thanks for the comment. I'm getting close to where you were with this rifle. Leaning toward a Win/Miroku 1892 in 44 mag.
You said at the end of the video it's going back, I assume it still won't chamber a round. Good luck with your next Marlin.
Yes and no. Before the deep clean and lube, it would not do chamber at all. After the clean I loaded 10 rounds in the magazine and it cycled all 10. It was stiff on a few but worked. I loaded another 10 and it locked up at about the 4th or 5th round. I had to remove the magazine cap and spring and unload from the front of the tube. Definitely some demons in that rifle.
Figurative demons :-)
Hello mister. Try out hornady bullets, and vihtavuory n110.and follow their loadingdata.
I did get some Hornady XTP Bullets. I'll try them first with W296 then A2400 (because I already have that on hand). Then when the budget allows, maybe I'll get some Vihtavuori N110. Thanks for the suggestion🙂
So why is it going back ??
Thanks for the comment. I could never get it to cycle a round from the magazine into the chamber. It could have been fixed, but I wasn't convinced I had the skills to do it. So, it went back to the seller and then I replaced it with the 1979 version.
That’s too bad that such a normal looking good condition rifle had issues. All said the straight wall cartridges never seemed to feed as well as the tapered ones 30-30 and 35 when moved back from the chamber 1/8 inch is already loose so seemed to be much easier to cycle for me . All said I love the older pre manual safety Marlins best especially the 1950’s and 60’s models
Really thinking about a 1950 waffle top in 35 Remington. I've seen some really nice ones on Gunbroker. Just wasn't ready to "pull the trigger" yet.
Another issue I remain somewhat confused about, after viewing this video and repeating the video segments discussing dimensions from the slugged barrel, is what was learned and concluded from the exercise. I believe the actual dimensions of a .44 magnum bullet is .429. Was your conclusion that the barrel was "shot out"? Was the finding in any way related to your decision to return the rifle given that you observed the grooves were "very shallow compared to normal rifling." By reviewing other comments and replies below, I see that the cleaning and lubing did not correct the issue and was a major consideration in returning the firearm. But what of the barrel? Thanks.
Hi Tom. After I posted that video, I realized I left everyone hanging about why the rifle went back. It had nothing to do with the barrel, just the fact that it wouldn't cycle a round from the magazine to the chamber. But I "slugged that barrel" just to demonstrate the process for other Marlin owners who have a Micro-groove barrel on their Marlin lever action (not all Marlins have Micro-groove barrels). In order to get decent accuracy and avoid barrel leading in a Micro-groove barrel, bullets need to be oversized by .001"-.002". So, you are right, jacketed bullets are .429" and they shoot fine in the Micro-groove barrels. But for a cast bullet to work in a Micro-groove barrel they would need to be .431" (in that particular barrel), tighter than "normal". And it turned out the next 1894 I got had the same barrel diameter. To summarize, it's all about cast bullets in the micro-groove barrel. Great questions. Thanks!
@@TargetSuite Thanks for the reply.
I stopped watching, I didn't want to see you punch the barrel! :(
It was brutal. A lot of people were triggered😄