Why Are Ebikes SO Expensive?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Ever wondered why e-bikes come with such hefty price tags? 🤔
Are e-bike companies genuinely providing value for money or are they taking us for a ride? Get ready to dive deep into the world of electric bikes as we uncover the hidden truths behind their costs! 💭 💸
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0:00 Why does this cost SO much?!
0:19 Join us 🙌🏻
0:29 Ebike sales are high!
1:32 The most expensive part
2:38 Speaking to an expert
3:19 Name brand batteries
4:42 Quality motors
5:52 Fancy features?
6:15 Customer service
7:35 The cost of charging your bike
9:56 Ebikes = savings
11:17 The verdict
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I went to Canterbury last year. I saw lots of chopped padlocks and mangled bikes. There is no way in hell that I would take my bike into a city. It wouldn't stop the thieves even in broad daylight,so in the winter you wouldn't stand a chance. There's been a tv programme where the thieves were filmed (cutting the locks off with a cordless angle grinder) and no one stopped them. I use my bikes for leisure and a bit of local shopping.
For this reason amongst many others I wouldn't get rid of my car until the government pry my keys from my cold dead hands. I love the idea of Ebikes but as a fair weather solution on days I don't need any shopping etc. Imagine spending 1k, 3k, 5k, 10k or more on a bike for it to get stolen or, vandalized if thieves can't steal it! If that happened to my cheap Halfords Carrera then I dread to think.....!
@@MuscleBanditI love my Halfords Carrera and i wouldn't leave that alone anywhere either
There's advantages to living in the middle of nowhere, like I do. There couldn't be 20 ebikes in my small town. Closest big city is 100 miles away.
@@MuscleBanditinteresting points. And safe storage is a thing councils should invest in. But a car is normally our second biggest purchase and it gets scratched and vandalized just as much. Theft is a different issue but see above. Some people spend thousands on a car plus tax and insurance and MOT and do no more than 5 miles a day. These are the people that need to be convinced of better options.
Left a motorbike on a busy road, chained to railing as ran out of petrol . Came back 5 minutes later with petrol, bike gone. Now if a bike with no petrol gets nicked, a bicycle has no chance
Bicycles or e-bikes will pay for themselves in the long run. Unlike cars, you don't pay taxes simply for owning one. Electricity is also cheap (for e-bikes). If you use your bike often enough, you'll essentially have it for free. It is money you would spend anyway on transit, fuel, or taxes, or parking fees..
Yet
Although....... and I'm going to use my own circumstances living in Ireland.
If you already own a car and even a cheap car for let's say around €3,500. I bought one a year ago for that. We'll exclude depreciation.
I drive around 12,000 kilometres a year. Not high mileage really because I live in a rural area.
Fuel costing around €1000 a year on the higher estimate.
Tax and insurance another €750
Car test, maintenance and repairs I'll add about €400. I spent less than €200 in the last year.
So around €2150 excluding depreciation.
I already use a bicycle as much as possible for trips between 10 (regularly) to 50 ( occasionally) kilometres round trips, that saves a little on fuel.
I'm about to probably buy a Cube Kathmandu 750w because I'm taller than the average bear and need at least a 62cm frame. That's going to be €3,500. To be honest I want one more than I need one.
If I use it heavily and reduce my car miles by a massive 5,000km, I'll probably only save around €400 a year because I still have to pay for everything else regardless.
But..... when e-bike batteries and motors give problems out of warranty, you are going to be looking at hundreds in repair costs and at the worst, heading for over four figures. E-bikes cost as much to repair as cars. Never mind annual servicing and maintenance for the bike which will probably be a few hundred euros. And what about fear of theft? You can park a €70,000 tesla in a shopping centre car park all night with relatively little worry. You'd be sh1tting yourself with worry if you chained up a €3,500 bike in the same car park all night, You could pay another few hundred for insurance for when the worst eventually happens. Another expense. Fear of theft is a major factor in limiting the use of bikes generally as every day transportation. What percentage of all bikes are stolen in the uk or Ireland every year? 1:12?.. I didn't add a very expensive lock or two.
It is very disingenuous to say e-bikes cost virtually nothing after purchase.
If my new ebike lasts 3 years, that's $30 a month. Ebikes changed my life 2 years ago at 64 years old. Ride safe.
@@Mark-qv4bnif my new ebike only lasted three years I'd want my money back.
I had to warranty repair my e Brompton and it's a 40 minute drive to the nearest warranty approved centre.
Sometimes I think a non electric bike would have been more peace of mind
Profit is the number 1 goal… quick to blsme, Brexit, cost of living, inflation… but prices don’t reduce after
Eilis, turning it up to 11 today. Clementine from Eternal Sunshine kinda energy.
A cost you might want to consider is a possible theft or insurance. Am on my fourth bike in London now, all stolen. I read about a police sting operation couple years back with a tracker which led to 130,000 bikes being found at a random warehouse. It would be a cool idea for a video.
plus the Police steal them too, but they call it 'confiscation' for being 'illegal' over 250w
130,000 bikes?! That’s taking N+1 a bit far.
I'd definitely like to hear your take on mid-drive vs hub motors - particularly as most of the bikes I've seen you ride have hub motors, despite mid-drives being more efficient and (supposedly) provide a better rider experience.
I've had hub and mid drive ebikes. Mid drive wins every time, by a country mile, both for riding experience and hill climbing thanks to use of bikes gears .
Which is better actually depends on your preference and usage case rather than what's technically better. I've had a few mid drives and hubs, But I now settle on hubs because they are 1: Zero maintenance with a totally sealed system. 2: Will make your drivetrain last a long time because there's barely any pressure on the components. 3: Ease of riding without relying on gears. Which all leads to a more laid back cruising type of ride which is what I do lol. I don't tackle any technally challenging inclines, A powerful enough hub will be fine most hills.
Totally get that. I would love to try a mid drive bike with belt drive and hub gears. That would seem to have all the advantages and no downsides - except price, probably!@@danimayb
@dad7720 Yeah. I like my hub motor for pulling a small trailer. I'm old, I don't want to be shifting all the time, and the weakness of a mid drive. No thanks, hub motors forever, mines brushless and very smooth.
@@danimaybAs long as you maintain the rear spokes frequently if you ride hard.
Sony sold their Lithium Ion battery business to Murata in 2016, there are no more Sony cells only Murata ones. And there's also Molycell which makes great cells as well.
I'd have been screwed if it wasn't for a local bike shop partnership with Volt. My bike has had countless issues with electrics but the LBS (Banchory Cycles) have gone above & beyond to keep me on the road
Cycle to work scheme helped me
I have been commuting to work on bikes for past 8 years, half of which is on ebikes. I cover 60km per day or over 21,000km / year. Battery recharge at work is free as work provides great end-of-trip facilities with shower and ebike charging ports. At home, ebike battery gets recharged by my Offgrid solar/battery system. So energy-wise, zero cost to operate.
However there is some not so visible component costs and running costs involved, even if you service your bike yourself.
On the regular maintenance, buy yourself a chain wear gauge. Regularly measure the chain wear. Replace the chain as soon as it runs out of tolerance to minimise the extra wearing it incurs on the rear cassette, mainly on the top 3 gears. Forget about running a SRAM system, which will cost you an arm and a leg should the highest gear wears out as the whole cassette is a one piece CNC unit and the only way to repair a worn out higher gear is to replace the entire cassette, costing hundreds of dollars. Instead, go with Shimano system. You can easily swap out individual cogs and replace them with new ones costing less than a value meal from a fast food chain 😂🔗
If you commute on ebike in rain, be prepared to deal with extra wear and tear on the drive system. But with some basic understanding and procedure to ensure the corrosion is under control, the extra cost incurred is not too bad.
Then there is the tyre wear and punctures. I run a tubeless system with sealant. With a good set-up, a low rolling resistance, high puncture resistance tyres, running at a much lower psi than road bikes, a tubeless system with sealant will prevent 95% punctures. The sealant will need to be topped up every 3 months. Unfortunately good sealant still don't come cheap. But overall the running costs is still minimal compared to car maintenance.
The shifting cable will eventually snap. It will happen around on the second year. So have the shifting cable swapped out for a new one every year or so.
The brake fluid also needs to be changed and brake hydraulic flushed out to remove air bubbles. Do this once every year. Go with a Shimano type mineral oil system instead of a DOT4/5 type hydraulic fluid system, as the latter is hydrophillic and costs more problems than the mineral oil based setup.
If you ride in wet, upgrade the brake pads to a more durable version specifically designed for ebikes. I upgraded mine to Swiss Stop. They are very good, providing exception durability and metallic pad grip and stopping power.
Check your tyre pressure every time before your ride. Even just a few psi difference will make a whole heap difference in terms of rolling resistance and tyre wear. Invest in a good quality rechargeable air pump with digital readout. So much easier and quicker to operate.
Checking your tyres regularly after each ride for sharp objects trying to work their way in, is critical. Remove these before they get a chance to create a leak or puncture. This will reduce your puncture incidents to almost zero. Obviously watch and observe the road conditions. Try not to ride too close to the curb as this is commonly where the sharp debris are. Be extra vigilant around construction sites as this is where many punctures can occur. Also in summer try to avoid running over grass patches as there may be caltrop seeds, which is the primary source of most tyres punctures we encounter in Australia 🇦🇺😂
Other than these factors, ebikes are one of the best inventions and most economical way to travel around. It is way more efficient that a EV as the vehicle does not have a lug around a very heavy dead weight around. Recharging is very quick as well. Combining human power and ebike motor assistance is a better option than escooter/EV on just battery/motor. There is no range anxiety involved. Ebike goes quite well even with no assistance at all. Here it is important to run very low rolling resistance tyres at their correct pressure. So fat ebikes will be struggling once there is no assistance. The lowest rolling resistance 2.4" tyre i found that runs well with tubeless are the almost slick Schwalbe Super Moto. Do check them out. They run the latest ADDIX compound. I run them at 50psi. They roll just as quick as my G-One Tubeless but are way more durable than the G-One, cost much less, offer superior puncture resistance and are super durable. They roll very fast! Looks cool as well as it looks as its name suggests 😎
I keep my front wheel running a low pressure 30 psi tubeless off road tyre. This is the best hybrid tyre combo. Should the road surface suddenly transit into loose gravel or worst loose sand, your front tyre would float right through and still maintain traction and control, instead of getting caught and loose control. 😂
With the proper long travel front shocks, plus mounting technique, you can mount any curb on typical road surface and navigate around any dynamic obstacles that come your way to maintain good flow and momentum. 😊👍
You're not wrong about cassettes and chains. I couldn't believe how quickly I chomped through my cassette on my bike. If your chain is slightly out of tolerance all that torque will chomp those teeth in no time! Definitely a lesson learned!
I just hit over 6000kms on my bafang bbs01 , 0 problems and I didn’t notice any battery degradation( is a 21ah battery than i run the whole time and the highest assistance lvl and gives me at least 80kms mostly on flats carrying around 130kgs riders +bikeof range idk exactly because I’ve never went below 25% ) the kit was about 700$ and the bike I’ve converted was about 700$ too in 1 year of use and over 6k kms it costed me about 200$ to maintain it ( 2 cassettes 6 chains 3 pairs of break pads a saddle a few brakes and shifter cables 2 disc rotors ) I didn’t change tires yet is no visible wear on them yet and 0 punctures I really recommend schwalbe marathon e plus
I have those tyres and I must have had hundreds of punctures so I have put slime inside.
@@robincurwood are they actually the schwalbe marathon e plus? What’s your tires pressure? What did cause those punctures ? The roads here are full of trash bolts,nails ,little stones ,glass , I did once ride over a jar broken in half , if we’ve the same tires I must be lucky .
@@jankazimierzcybul-jl8zi black thorn spicks. The local farmers cut the hedges leaving thorns all over the place. They get stuck in the tyres,pull out whilst riding. There you have at least one puncture!
@@robincurwood we don’t have those here, I’d run tubeless if the marathon wasn’t good enough
Great information. Thanks
My ENGWE M20 sub 1k with a few mods (To Make UK Legal) is the Nucking Futs the best money ever spent for the fun had at 45 when is old enough to know better suppose to kick in, E bikes are the way of the future!
Also charge it by Solar on grid I worked it out at 11 p per charge, much Maeterlinck maths teacher than the dragon I ended up up with in the early 90s👍✌️😀👌
There's been two cases recently in the UK where the contents of team vans get stolen. One of which was a US team just stopping by at Milton Keynes. These cases were clearly a network of thieves that do it for a living. Then there's the angle grinder thief that operates in broad daylight, because that's when the nice bikes are locked up. You can't leave bikes locked up in the UK right now, it's that simple. Bikes in team vans are as safe as one bike locked up in a street, that's how bad it has got. I don't see many E-bikes locked up to be fair, and understandably so. Maybe the government should go about building bike garages/shelters with the operator as security. Something like this will be needed if E-bikes become the norm for commuting to work.
40x 18650's retail is only about £200 (branded), not thousands.
3:30... lets not forget Sanyo, Turnigy, GensACE, A123, BYD,... im especially a fan of Sanyo batteries, they still produce high drain cells/pouch packs, as well sell them under the Panasonic brand.
Turnigy is my Go-To brand when i want bang for the buck (with LiPos cells) but still a good performance and quality. You literally cant get more Wh per $ with quality.
Sanyo if i want performance as well, otherwise for just reliability and capacity i take typically Panasonic cells.
A123 i bought long ago some batteries and they still work nearly as new, but their availability and price is too bad to buy them nowadays.
The cycling industry is in major trouble. They price gouged the consumer during Covid and now they are suffering. Sales have plummeted, demand has plummeted and bankruptcy is looming. They deserve it. Any BS that attempts to justify the greedflation reeks of desperation. Be honest and disclose the massive greed and opportunistic exploitation that infests the bike industry. Make a video about that! Lol
As part of the cycling industry, I have to agree. And no - it's not the retailers. They've been hit harder than anybody, including the end user. It's the shipping companies and manufacturers.
They won't disclose Bcoz this channel is also part of the problem, for years they have promoted over-priced ebikes, while ignoring good and cheaper alternative brands.
I have a cube 500e, Bosch mid drive. I have just clocked 6400 miles on it and apart from a speed sensor issue(which turned out to be a lose screw! It was the only screw they hadn't put threadlock on!), has given me no problems. I ride 55 miles a week to work and back. So one 4-5 hour charge a week is all that's needed. I would never go back to a car now.
This subject reminds me of a quote from John Ruskin, “There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person’s lawful prey. It’s unwise to pay too much, but it’s worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can’t be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
The more e bikes that are produced the more efficient manufacturing becomes, I think its likly quality brands will stay more or less at today's pricing and with time/inflation will make it seem like they are getting cheaper. As in every sector people are the most expensive cost item so if you require good people support expect to pay a premium if not, pay commodity prices and hope you don't need help later
It's the maintenance of the bike which really gets you though 😂 twice yearly maintenance if you ride a lot, but minimum yearly to ensure the motor just doesn't flat out die on you from not being cleaned/greased.
Nice video on the costs of e-biking. I'll have to convert the numbers to arrive at the costs in the US for riding mine. I usually charge my e-bike with a power station that has been solar charged so my riding is totally free on sunny days. Riding the bike is so pleasurable that it's worth it. Thanks again for covering areas that others have not. I enjoy your editing style, very engaging! (Larry from Under the Median)
After wanting an emtb for 4 years i finally bought 1. Best thing i've done however i waited till december to buy one in order to take advantage of the £2500 discount!
Good Morning, I love how you did your hair, very vice. I bought my e-bike last March from a local e-bike dealership in my own city and they have their own mechanics. However, my next e-bike I will buy will be from you guys, Electroheads. You offer the Best Price for e-bikes and you guys are easy to get a hold of if I would need help with it. Thank You & Good Video 😎
Thank you for the lovely comment! I hope your ebike is treating you well ☺
Yes it is, Thank you 🙂@@Electroheads
No need to buy an ebike with an alarm fitted, you can buy a disc lock with a motion sensor that sets off an alarm.
I have one, but its a bit over sensitive and raindrops set it off.
its a bit over sensitive and raindrops set it off
So it's useless then.
I have a Batribike Delta Plus and absolutely love it. Over the last 2 years I've upgraded the tyres, drivetrain, forks, grips, pedals and saddle, and the battery when last checked is still showing 99% health despite over a 1,000 miles on the clock. Great bit of kit. I still have my 'analogue' bike, but they both compliment one another perfectly! 👍
Always spend once - you get what you pay for. We also need better security for e-bikes. Not just bike posts in the street. Dry and secure parking. Better security on bikes too. 70 miles a week - go girl!!
Absolutely!! Better infrastructure for the bicyclists!
I built my own using a standard bike and a BEFANG 1500. watt motor, it's flies at 80kph plus and it makes me work super hard, I just go much faster and I was a A grade cyclist, now I'm 70, I love my BEFANG cost me about £1200
I got my brand new hitway bk6 delivered £499 in the UK. It's retailers that are hiking the prices. Just look around before you purchase
I've had my Walmart bike for 2 yrs. starting on my 3rd season, no throttle but quite enough range for my tri city area 😊
I love my VanMoof S3 - had a new battery in February after waiting for what felt like an eternity for things to turn around after the McClaren purchase
I use my ebike instead of a car. I added small rectangular plastic garbage cans to the rear carrier, to carry groceries, and also to carry my tennis gear to the courts. I have calculated that I will get the bike for free if it lasts about 12000 km, using the money I save on fuel. I am halfway there now. I drive my bike mostly throttle only, and don't feel guilty. Of course by the time it gets to 12000 km I will have to drive another 1000 to pay for tires.
That's awesome. Keep it up!
Ehm: the cost per charge of 0.1296 is £ not pence (because you multiply the required kilowatts by 0.36£ to get the cost).
A more “ev car like” comparison would be to calculate the average wattage spent (kW if you like a lot of zeros) per km travelled. Then you can infer how much that cost “on average” per week of commute. This also nullifies the argument (below) about standing charges, because you’ll pay those from the moment you have a dwelling connected to power (but you could be charging at the office) and you could also incorporate a sinking fund for accessories, insurance, maintenance costs and incidentals.
Yip I was thinking some dodgy maths going on there
It also fails to take into account the increased wear and tear that are an inevitable feature of e-bikes when compared with food-powered bikes.
@@whssy I love the slip "food-powered bikes" 🤣🤣🤣 mine works with spaghetti carbonara .... I would have included wear and tear in my maintenance sinking fund (those tyres will need replacing etc) but I didn't think of the battery degradation because in most e-bikes, power is only "assisting": the essential part of the energy turned to movement comes from the spaghetti bolognese ...
Bought a RideOne Up 700Xt in 2019 for 1800US. It paid for itself in gas savings in 16 months. 'nuff said.
When the silicon battery comes to the market then it will transform the industry,
y your website says this? "The web page you are trying to enter is not certified by a known certifying authority. Attackers might be trying to steal your information (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards)"
Enjoy the videos but please check the cost calculations
That should teach them that. Don’t believe some politicians , and don’t be so quick to judge your perceived gains or losses without considering your benefits .
Does the Tenways do 70 miles per charge? If not the the cost per week would depend on how many times you need to charge it to do those 70 miles.
Conveniently ignored any standing charge as well. What about the cost of cleaning and lubricants? Tyres, inner tubes...... The cost of running an ebike isn't just the electricity.
No, it does 100km in PAS1 and about 50km in PAS3 (motor does all the work). Only when it is not freezing of course.
Lubricant is not needed for that particular bike, it is belt driven.
Battery takes 0,360 kWh per full charge.
Electricity cost is approximately 30 cents per kWh.
So 10 cents per full charge, or per 100km in PAS1.
The biggest cost will be due to a battery change once the lithium-ion cells have degraded too much.
@@jakobkmar Erm...... Are you honestly trying to tell me that you don't lubricate moving parts?
I take it you're not from the UK.
@@drummerjo571Do you lubricate a vacuum cleaner, a washing machine, an electric drill?
I've done three homebuilts. For the first, I bought a Bafang (BBS02) motor and high quality BMS equipped battery with Samsung cells and grafted it onto an 11 year old upcycled world class full suspension lightweight mountain bike (Maverick MB-7) with skinny slick tires I added, making it capable of 30 mph, and was great for the 40 mile a day commute I did with it. That was about $2700 after brake disc upgrades.
Next I rebuilt a 20 year old recumbent tadpole trike, an extremely rare Greenspeed GLR, added a Bafang (HD) motor and bought a second battery mount and I can use my original battery on either bike depending on what I want to ride. That'll do 35 mph, and is actually nicer for long journeys because it's very comfortable. This former human powered racer is a rocket. Figure $2200 because I saved the cost of a 2nd battery. Recumbent trikes aren't cheap, even 20 year old ones. Mine cost $1100.
Lastly, I built a compact bamboo cargo bike from scratch designing it on Sketchup and using fittings, supplies, and guidance from the Bamboo Bicycle Club. James in London runs this business and ships DIY kits around the world. Please ask James for a tour and build and e-bike in his workshop with him!!! My bamboo cargo bike also has a Bafang motor (HD) uses 2 upcycled e-scooter batteries with Samsung Cells and BMS, and has a woven reed basket for the cargo bin. Yes, I learned out to join bamboo and weave on this project! That maxes out at around 22mph because I designed it with a very upright Dutch pedal forward design to allow me the right seat distance from cranks for full leg extension while allowing me to stay on the saddle at a light. That was designed and built during COVID so parts were a bit more expensive. It has full hydraulic Magura MT5e brakes, some really high quality used parts and still cost me $3500 all in. But it's one of a kind and it even fits on our local trains at 6' 4" length.
So I've found that upcycling and even building from scratch is not cheap, but you can have world class, non-proprietary parts, build the bike YOU want and also have it be high performance if you live somewhere that allows for high speed e-biking. Here the legal limits are 750W and 28mph, so my bikes are all technically hotrods. But I rided them at appropriate speeds depending on the situation, and they're all pedal assist focused. I did add a throttle on the cargo bike to aid with starting the bike if loaded. Also for you home builders, EggRider V2 display w/bluetooth tuning and range gauge is a spectacular bit of kit to your bike.
My Greenspeed GLR rebuild: th-cam.com/video/UvL8916Sr_0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=eTk3mSf7YVDjPyEa
My Maverick ML-7 build: th-cam.com/video/d8Qt0hd7C9Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9MY_kY5i01DBBx47
@Anti-dotardTeam-nb1cv Did you use a BMS when you built your pack?
Does anyone ever find themselves worn down by riding every day in the UK? I would think the consistent rain and cold would just wear you down.
Definitely not! If anything I'ts invigorating 😂
I’m moving there this summer so, here’s hoping you’re right! 😂
@@Kilroy_Wuz_Here
Dress appropriately, and it will be no problem.
A 100% efficient charger 😮 Where did you get that? My Bosch heats up the whole room! 😂
I think it's mostly lack of market maturation, manufacturers obviously want to recover their costs for RnD, and investments in manufacturing, and make a profit on top of that. And I also suspect both design or manufacturing is still developing somewhat.
If I compare with battery powered tools, I can get the same amount of battery capacity, with quality cells, BMS and so on, and a tools with a motor with higher power, and charger, all combined, for much less money than the difference in price between a decent non-assisted bike and a decent e-bike.
An e-bike developed in collaboration with some tool manufacturer, where the e-bike battery contained tool battery packs, that are good, relatively cheap, readily available, and will likely to remain so when they need to be replaced, would be interesting.
Reality is what it is, and while I suspect prices will decrease with market maturation, that will take time. A decent e-bike can already be a great investment.
By the way, the symbol for ampere is A, as in upper case A, volts is upper case V, kilo is lower case k, watt is upper case W, and hour is lower case h, which makes kWh the correct symbols for kilowatt hours. While it's obvious from context and even read out here, it doesn't matter that much in this context. But, if you're buying cheap products and the manufacturer documentation don't use the correct symbols, that should be considered a significant red flag.
Watch out, in the UK they recently changed the way the excess deaths is calculated so the numbers turn out to lower levels than before 2020.
I bought an analog bike (Trek) three years ago $900. and now bought a second bike, Ebike. $1000. Aventon pace 500.2. happy with both of them. Denver Co USA.
I'm on a $5,000 road bike and it's and it's just middle of the road. Although the price of bikes is excessive these days e-bikes tend to be far cheaper than road bikes. Count your blessings imo.
Yes let's have a that comparison please.
And all those battery farms can be surround by trees and other foliage making rhe sites look pretty and blend in with the surrounding areas. Cant do that with an oil refinery or power station.
Before you buy check the cost of a replacement battery.
Plummeting sales equals lower prices in my experience. Bikes get pricy with inbuilt lites etc
Hair style 🎉
Cracking video today, Eilis. Looking delish- such expressive eyes.. and love your content. Just a thought, if ebike costs are 40% due to battery, why not do what cordless drill companies do- have one battery that can fit multiple devices, and you can port your battery from bike to bike and just buy a "naked" bike with no battery so much cheaper... Looking forward to the next.
Great point actually.
@@jaynedavies2757Thank you.
Because they want to lock you in to buying 'their' battery. The problem is, after 5 years they no longer sell that particular battery, because they've moved on. It's fucken bullshit from the industry. They should be mandated to do exactly what you propose, along with giving us back user swapable cellphone batteries too (I believe this is coming!)
I still don't see why an e-bike costs 6x as much. From my own tests, it must depend on the route you take because I found a 40-45 min 16km journey took me exactly the same amount of time on my regular hybrid bike (not exactly light), vs a borrowed city-style e-bike. Yes it felt fast and easy going up hills but once I got to a certain speed on the flats I was left lugging that monstrously heavy thing mostly on my own and thus wasn't any faster overall. So for many people they could probably make the same "carbon" savings suggested in this clip but just using a regular bike at 1/6th the cost in the first place! Yes, e-bikes price-wise are pretty much a scam if you ask me. Don't get me wrong I absolutely used one just to get up the last hill home when walking the dog when I had an injured knee, they're great for less mobile or less fit people and probably better value for those who live in hilly areas where the motor will assist more often. Maybe that includes MTB'rs. But for me when I tried it on a regular commute journey I was wholly disappointed and thoroughly unimpressed. NOT worth the thousands and thousands they're asking.
Totally agree with this statement. If you have the fitness to maintain 24kph on a normal bike then there is no point getting an ebike. E-cargo there is still and argument to be made - once they find out how to make ones that are any good.
I have seen it suggested that bike batteries life expectancy can be a low as 3 years and cost in the region of £500 to replace, sounds a bit like EVs and many internal batteries are not a DIY job. Would you buy a second hand ebike ?
I don’t think there’s going to be a lot of take up for people replacing their cars with e-bikes as car infrastructure is too embedded. I do however think that a lot of people will consider swapping a second car with them and this will make a big difference, particularly with the rise of e-cargo bikes. My kids are too old now, but I would definitely have taken them to school in a cargo bike if they were prevelant back then.
This depends on where you are in the world. But yes, it is certainly true in many many countries.
Who else is impressed by Alice's new pro hair style ?
Great episode! E-bikes are the best way to achieve VERY sustainable transportation for anyone, because that Porsche Taycan has a big gnarly carbon footprint to build and power, even in the most ideal scenario. The transition to EV cars is unfortunately just a bridge step. We can't build them at scale and maintain that pace. Instead electric rail and micromobility are the sustainable choices.
you didn't take into consideration charging efficiency with your calculations, these charges get hot! also particularly in cold weather you actually lose battery charge.
Today ya can get a whole bike for less than a lithium battery in '05 😊
I take it you won't be covering Reise & Muller e-bikes then? 🤔
No need for me i already know they are great :)
Got a Charger and can't keep off it! 5 years and 13k miles without one single problem. Best brand on the market, you only get what you pay for....
@@dad7720 I think there is value in its components if you add them all up how much extra you pay over that well depends i guess. The brand of headlights r&m for example go from 100 euro to 1050euro just for a headlight if you want. On this Nevo i did 11000km in 2023 alone.
@icyclerides-ss1ko overrated designer brand that should be 40% cheaper based on their quality and terrible dealer service.
I went with a modertly cheap bike, the rad runner 2. 48v battery, 750 w, single speed, top speed about 18mph. the bike weighs 60lbs and can carry me plus 100lbs. I weigh 150lbs, so I'd say this is the bare minimum for a good running bike. I do a lot of pedaling because I like to, and I can get 30 miles with work. Just riding I would get 12 miles. I would prefer to get a 52v bike, like the Murff. It would be nice to go 25mph to stay up with the cars in that speed zone.
But in Europe, Australia, NZ, Japan and several other places 15 mph is the maximum assisted legal speed with a 250w motor.
@@Anti-dotardTeam-nb1cv The law is only a deterrent to people who obey the law.
To the lawless it's only a minor inconvenience.
Hello dear 😊 me Norman Wray purchase a conversion kit but I rethere a bafang ebike motor respect are any one else put away from the moto ebike brushless one that works under the bycicle bottom 😅😊 but it's ok if it's so don't?
Second accidental run of the day with @SimonClark after a mention in the Tom Scott newsletter of all places! Good to see him doing the rounds!
They aren't expensive. I paid £900 for mine new from Halfords and it has now done 7000 miles, yes it has needed repairs which total about £200. Still no where near £3500.
you say LG chem batteries are OK but they were all removed from Hyundai Kona and Chevrolet Bolt because of fire issues. There is also a class action lawsuit against Jaguar with the I-pace, which also has LG Chem batteries in it ? 😅
What?! No Chinese battery on the quality battery list? /jkg
I live in NYC. Just ordered an ebike to commute to work. I would have used your webstore, but you did not have the model I wanted, the Evelo Dash.
50 billion last year in ebike sales, I read somewhere. Its a world wide explosion. Ive ridden one 2 years, and im buying a second one soon, and i ordered a pull trailer. I ride it daily for 9 months a year. I love my ebike.
50 billion, behave 😂 It was more like 40 million globally... I googled it 😉
Am bicicletă electrică Koga e-xite s 2017 Bosch cx gen 2 foarte mulțumit de ea 68 000 km perfectă pentru oraș și muncă , vreau să spun că a meritat toți banii salutari din România 😃👍
Taffel should definitely be a word
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I didn’t understand formula….as it didn’t take into the equation how many miles a battery charge gives….i don’t need convincing how cheap bikes are just wasn’t sure about the maths…..unless the ten ways is some round figure like 100miles of range so it wasn’t mentioned in the working out….
Actually, sorry but 13pence X by 52 weeks (in a year) = £6.76. Please get the maths right otherwise the doubters exploit it to mock. It’s really important to show the maths to prove the point though - just it has to be right!!!!!
In real tearms the price of an ebike has fallen in the last few years yes .Tech has improved and high end prices are ridiculously and stupid
high . But the cost of a cheap e bike vs the cost of taxi fairs can pay for its self in at the extreem end in a month or a few weeks at the most .as for maintenence E bikes are less complacated than a radio controled toy car and a bicycle combined, and in my personal experience after 10 years with the same bike reliability has never been an issue any more than a none electric bike has .As a simple tool to do a job (ie motorised commuter transportation )I do not belive that an E bike can be beaten.
These are apples to oranges comparisons. I don't know why people keep comparing e-bikes to regular vehicles. They're not taxis, you'll arrive at your destination sweaty, you'll have to find somewhere secure to lock up your e-bike, you'll have to carry around your helmet & lights if you've bought extra (actually usable) ones, I'll only be able to do a very small grocery shop before heading home....and where I live there are bridges and motorways that I can't take a bicycle on so I'd have to (and do) cycle the long way around...it's not always just as simple and e-bikes are mostly not comparable for most drivers circumstances without pointing out the downsides as well.
For your cost per mile, I assume you get your batteries, motors and drive components for free. My battery cost me £650 which needed replaced after 500 charges. At 30 miles per charge that is over 4.5 pence per mile. It gets worse if you add a range extender battery. Ontop of that there is the cost of a new motor every 10000 miles and new chains and sprockets needed due to increased wear and tear due to extra power.
You only spend £7 a year, but you gonna get a surprise when you have to replace your battery or motor. A new chain alone is about £30
Your environmentalist friend has not considered the huge environmental impact of making lithium batteries or the child slave labor used to mine the components. To be eco friendly he should walk due to extra Co2 emissions when doing excercise, by cycling.
Well, first of all, everything is very expensive in Britain...
True!
Living in an expensive country like Denmark I was surprised to see that electricity in the UK is 30% more than I am paying (of which 25% is VAT).
Profits begets inflation.
Inflation reduces the value of profits.
Price setters jack up prices in anticipation of inflation and market competition out of fomo of missing out on profits for investors.
Thus inflation.
Of course, Housing, Rents, SUVs and utilities have much more responsibility in creating inflation.
something.. something "Tendency rate of profits to fall" something.. something "internal systemic contradiction" or something...
what? she's claiming she goes 70 miles in a week on a single charge of what is a tiny tiny battery. either 1. bullshit or 2. the e part of the bike is doing exactly nothing during that ride. my bike is a 500w and way down at 10 mph, i'm pulling 100wh. thats 700 wh for 70 miles. she's basically saying this bike pulls 50wh @ 10mph. i call bullshit.
LiFePo is not really burning!
Why are e-scooters cheaper than e-bikes? They have much bigger batteries. Much more powerful motors.
How is a non-electric bike 'analogue', or even 'acoustic', as I've heard on EH? Who on earth came up with that ridiculous nomenclature? 😮😊
Cheer up :)
Like EVs, e-bikes run on fossil fuels - they are not emissions neutral. Only an ordinary bike is, and I speak as someone who rides a road bike with an e-assist kit fitted. In my own defence I would add that I didn't fit such a kit until the hills where I live became a bit too much when I hit 90 years of age.
Are you taking into account how the electricity you put into the battery is generated?
My house has solar panels, over the course of a year we generate more electricity than we use, and sell the excess back to the net - so my eBike is solar powered.
Here in Oregon our mains electricity is about 80% hydroelectric anyway, so that's zero emission too.
In the last 12 months fossil fuels provided only 34.8% of the UK’s grid electricity and that is reducing year on year. You can easily get a 100% renewables tariff and with home solar, you can power your e-bike from the sun. So it is not accurate to say they run on fossil fuels
I think I’m in love, fantastic presenter 😊
Aww thank you!
cause none makes them for cheap, market agreement
Bafang, Vesc, LG mofos, paint and build the rest, and don't forget to charge at work 😉
you will find all of the quality battery providers you mention all have their batteries made by BYD in China...
Why are all your ebikes out of stock?
True only a total idiot would think they need a Porsche Taycan, the Porsche Macan EV is a way better choice when you need a decent boot to put your bike in.
But on E-Bikes, "cycle to work scheme" makes an E bike affordable, plus also about now'ish last years models are heavily reduced, I got lucky like that.
I'm not sure about your maths. You worked out the cost per charge, and then divided by "70, the miles I ride per week", when really you meant "70, the range of this bike on a full charge". The answer is the same, but only because the miles you ride and the range are the same. For other scenarios, following your maths mght weel give the wrong answer.
ha. i love it. the Brits keeping it real......a black guy trying to steal a bike.
If you are going to talk about the environmental cost and benefits of an ebike, then you must talk about the environmental and humanitarian damage involved in mining lithium for the batteries used in ebikes, cars etc...
But of course that's not mentioned because it tarnishes the clean image of ebikes and electric cars, and of course it's not mined by us in the 'West' so 'out of sight out of mind'! After all it's not us getting terminally I'll and our local environment and waterways being poisoned...yet!
Da ya need me to tell ya … you do not need makeup. Mwah.
You have to worry more about your tyre expenses than your electricity expenses with an e-bike, they are burnning rubber 😀
Yep! My 1500w bike eats the rear tyres, that constant thrust forward nibbles away…
I bought my e-bike last March, I have ridden over 8200 km since then and my tires are still in good condition with thread. The only thing I had to replace were my brake pads.
@@EBikes420 really! What tyres are you using because mine don’t last anywhere near that.
Funshion, it's also the manufacturer of my e-bike from China@@mattus1gig
And drivetrains. Avoid 1X12 E-MTB drivetrains like the plague unless you actually use all the gears.
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Quiet you silly vvoman
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The maths is completely wrong. Let’s say a bike last 4 years, battery fatigue, and stolen bikes. Where the 2/3k cost factored in per week.
Tell your editors to calm down a bit Electroheads.
You're an info channel with a lot of good things to say.
But all the unrelated inserts and frantic cutting are becoming really tedious and intrusive.
People watch for 2 reasons .... Factual information & Eilis. End of. So please rein back the 💩
Couldn't agree more
Think larger, get an E-bike and gym membership.
Or get standardbike and no gym memebership is needed.
Most dont need an E-bike, only the ones with knee or heart troubles.
Rest are just LAZY!!! (and in many times are the ones who should get a none e-bike)!
Cannot watch this anymore. Why can’t we have the facts without all the histrionics?
ANALOG BIKE? I have never heard a more stupid and absurd term. As I understand it, it comes from the fact that some ignorant people confuse the concepts “electric” and “electronic”. And since they once heard that everything electronic is opposed to analog, they began to contrast everything electrical with analog.
Guys, learn the definitions of the concepts and terms you use so as not to look stupid and backward.
wow u talk so much with giving so little information. just get to the point