Shockingly Civil Debate on Israel Between a Jewish and Muslim-American
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- Jake Turx is the senior White House correspondent and chief political correspondent for Ami Magazine. He joins Cenk to Talk about Israel & Gaza on today's episode of The Conversation.
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The Palestianian leadership does not want a 2 state solution, never had and never will.
From the river to the sea. Thats what they want.
Israel is truly a world class projectionist - continues to blame others for the very crimes it commits
@@boo3553 history literally proves you wrong.
@@boo3553 How ionic, Palestinian thugs, murder, rape and use their own as human shield, and you puke your nonsense. You're clueless.
You did such a terrific job, Cenk. I would not have been able to keep it together. You made great, true points. I'm impressed.
True enough. Cenk has the patience of a Saint debating these Israeli firsters
Cenk is an athiest not a Muslim
But it’s settler children attacking Palestinian children in the WB. Israel is in violation of international law to even be there. How dare they “arrest” children!
"Israel's commitment to peace" is like Dracula's commitment to being a vegetarian!
Lmfaoo
Well Israelis like Dracula cant see their own reflection in mirror.
Ey, it is V8, cmon
Ya tell it to hamas murderers and rapists
it was quite peaceful for a while until oct 7
The land was unfairly divided into two parts.. At least.. At least. give the Palestinians their part
As long as Palestinians exist as an identifiable group, Zionists will target them and try to provoke them into another Oct. 7 . Zionism, from its very beginning, has been based on a presumption that the indigenous people must be ethnically cleansed (they called it "transfer" back in the day). They have made it very clear that they want Eretz Israel (Greater Israel) "from the Jordan to the sea", as the Likud Party has it in their manifesto.
OCCUPIERS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DEFENCE.
not occupied. Israel left gaza in 2005
@@sipp91 are you that ignorant??? and even if they left gaza, what about the west bank?? its their land too.
so does this correspondent living on palestinian stolen land in palestine , i wonder
Allow reporters to Gaza so we could learn actual numbers.
Then they will find the numbers are a lot higher, as the health ministry is not doing every death they are only doing the hospitals' death, even now the system have collapsed, and I just wonder how high it has gone 😢
The way this guy(guest) thinks is the massive problem.
Mind Begs the Question:
- To defend,support policies of
- Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Pogroms,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Democratic or Nazi?
Hamas, before October 7th, fired low level rockets, regrettably killing in relatively small numbers. This alone is tragic, but it's inconceivable that they were an existential threat to a well armed Israeli army. The correspondent's claim that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the map is an exaggeration and an impossibility designed to provide backing for his argument. It really provides no foundation for the myriad of war crimes Israel has been building up.
when I heard a 14 yr girl on the phone begging for help saying tanks were surrounding her and then the IDF open fired on her. I heard her screaming the the shelling & the little girl stopped screaming. i know I should hear him out but i've seen to much. I don't care what the other side thinks or feels. the only thing I care about is children stop being killed.
😮😢😢😢
Agree!
DID THIS MAN REALLY BLAME THE PALESTINIANS FOR THE NAKBA ("They haven't had a good day in 75 years.")??? Disgusting.
Israel was founded by terrorist groups Irgun,Lehi and Haganah that were killing Palestinians before founder of Hamas was even born and before Nakba.
What do you expect. He's a Zionist apologist and a shill for the IDF. You are not going to get compassion or understanding of human suffering from these types
JAKE: "Hamas has always wanted 100% of the land."
PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE: Well, I would think that all Palestinians would want all their land back considering that it was violently stolen by Britain, the United States, and Israel. No one would be wrong for wanting their land back.
What about the sixty thousand Jews that were expelled from Egypt. What should be their expectations. And why not mention them. Are they just as worthy, or the fact that they have gotten on with their lives that they shouldn't expect anything.
Tell Israel to stop selling Palestinian land in New York City USA!!!
He says that Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map but in actual fact Israel has taken Palestine off the map as it refuses a two state solution evidence by the fact they have encroached upon the Occupied Territories, and if you ask the Israeli population they have always wanted all the Palestinians expelled to other Arab countries
Mind Begs the Question:
- If a States policies are
- Starvation,Death Camps,Pogroms,Gassing/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Has the right to exist?
correct
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings my answer to that question is rightfully NO. That was my answer on Oct 6 too
No we want arabs to live in peace but they like to murder Jews and other arabs
They/palestinians were never on the map
Cenk, why did you never raise the issue that the Gazans are the indigenous people of the region? The Israelis can only claim to have an indigenous ancestry in the distant past based on sacred history. As any historian knows, sacred history is legend, not history. Archaeologically, Canaan was the home to many Semitic peoples. The Israelites were one among many. Can I claim to be an indigenous African because I, along with everyone else, has maternal African ancestry? The debate was only "civil" because Turx was never really challenged.
Are you indigenous to your country?
@@daves465 Yes. I am an American born in New York City. Why do you ask?
@@MarkbyMarkAFosterPhD
Are you native American, or son of European immigrants that committed genocide, and stole the land from the native population?
If legend is correct, Manhattan was purchased from the native Americans for 24$ worth of beads and trinkets.
The European Jews paid hard cash for the lands they purchased from the local Arabs and Ottoman land owners, and more than a fair price as well. None of the lands were stolen, unlike what your ancestors did.
@@MarkbyMarkAFosterPhD
Are you native American, or son of European immigrants that committed gen0cide, and stole the land from the native population?
If legend is correct, Manhattan was purchased from the native Americans for 24$ worth of beads and trinkets.
The European Jews paid hard cash for the lands they purchased from the local Arabs and Ottoman land owners, and more than a fair price as well.
This doofus: "It's Palestinians' fault we've occupied them for 75 years."
Maybe if they would've accepted the country offered to them by the UN 75 years ago, they wouldn't be "occupied".
@@daves465 *"If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"* - David Ben-Gurion, 1st Prime Minister of Israel, quoted in "The Jewish Paradox," (1978) by Nahum Goldmann; Translated by Cox, Steve. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson; p. 99.
@@MutantNinjaDonut
Their land? Says who? Up until when the UN partitioned the land, the Jews did not take a single inch of land from the Arabs. They bought the land from the land owners. Even when the UN partitioned the land, the Jews needed to agree to a country that has over 40% Arabs in the territory that was allocated to them, and most of it was desert. The land allocated for the Arabs had nearly no Jews.
Why did the local Arabs accept Jordan (also part of the Palestinian mandate) being given to the Hashemite monarchy?
@@MutantNinjaDonut
They lost over half "their" land to Jordan. Why did they not protest this?
If the occupation started 75 years ago, I take it no Israel should not exist?
If the occupation started 56 years ago, Israel is allowed to exist.
Or is the 18 years of Jordanian and Egyotian occupation counted as Israeli occupation?
A settler colonialist from Europe goes to wrench lands from its autochthonous population then says he hates the resistance to his colonialism forcing them to kill the children of the people whose lands they are trying to wrench.... the absurdity of this statement being repeated by later generations of settler colonialists is beyond grotesque warping of morality and decency and sanity.
correct
Where is the Jewish homeland then? Settler colonialism is people colonizing land on behalf of their home nation. The Jewish settlers were escaping persecution.
@@111tedward .... the puritans settler colonialists were escaping persecution too when they wrenched the lands of the native Americans.... so were the Amish and the Quakers and Anabaptists etc.
@@111tedward "where is the Jewish homeland then"... the same place as the Christian homeland or the Muslim homeland... do you see an Italian Christian claiming Jerusalem as his land because he is Christian? Do you see a Chinese Muslim claiming Mecca as his homeland because he bows to Muhammad?
@tedward... Golda Meir was born in the Ukraine and migrated to the USA where she was a citizen... but she chose to go to Israel with her TRIPLE citizenships to extirpate babies and blame their parents for "making her do that" because they resisted this Ukrainian American settler colonialist's wrenching of their lands.
The most pointless TYT's interview to date.
This discussion is just a waste of my time. This guy is clearly brainwashed of completely blinded by hate
I agree Cenk has become blinded by hatred (and probably sweat)
Agree, Cenk has completely lost it.
Kudos to Cenk , he did a great job in this interview!
I came thinking lets listen and hear him out. Im leaving thinking this is a psychopath. Wow he glosses over the death of thousands with such ease.
Yep. I wouldn't use the term " psychopath", as this means one individual is affected by chronic mental disorder - A Medical Condition - with abnormal social behavioral symptoms. That let's him off the hook as being a victim of a disease of his individual body. It's better to view this holistically, with respect to *Group Human Behavior.* I have no doubt Mr. Turx believes in his soul that Palestinians as a group, are inherently sub-human and a clear and present danger to the group he belongs to. This is why his rationalizations go beyond logic.
Its important to view groups like the one Mr. Turx is a member of in the light of *Human Behavior.* There is a trigger point in all of us humans, where after a lifetime of being socially conditioned - typically through religions or nationalistic cultural teachings - that we simply can not maintain a grasp on the value of other human life beyond our group. Think about the 1930's German Third Reich; literally a handful humans, successfully _Triggered_ the masses of their countrymen into conducting an ultra atrocity. It wasn't the top leadership doing the dirty work, it was commoners such as Mr. Turx who went into blind survival mode.
Same with Rwanda during its difficulties. Same with thousands of events throughout human history. There is no denying this. This is Factually an aspect of how Human Group behavior can be so easily manipulated by the few (and typically, the few in leadership are actually clinical psychopaths/sociopaths). Us humans like to think we are somehow above this, and could recognize when our base instincts are being exploited...but we can't, especially when we have been groomed over generations to put Group/Tribe survival first.
Unfortunately, there is no fixing an aspect of Human behavior that is hard wired. The best we can do is mitigate it.
Where did he do that? You delusional
@@ElectroNeuron
When he refused to look for peace even though Cenk mentioned it a dozen times.
@ru76224 Peace has to come from both sides. The point (no one is getting it seems) is that Hamas would rather blow themselves up than live side by side with Israel
@ElectroNeuron the actual point is that nobody is saying you can't go after hamas. Everyone is saying stop killing civilians. For some reason those very different things keep getting confused. Stop killing children and isreali hostages and aid workers and starving civilians.
"Look what you made me do" has the biggest abusive spouse vibe I've ever heard. 😒
The IDF has the biggest abusive spouse vibe I've heard
“When we talk about civilian casualties how do we know they didnt die of natural causes?”
Ya 200lb bomb dropped, a man died but it could have been diabetes!!
2000lb
@@somebody701 Holy Guacamole
Agree 💯 with Cenk. There's No justification for killing Any innocent people, especially women and children who have nothing to do with Hamas and the evil " they inflicted on Israel. I love how you two were able to talk with each other without cutting one another down. Great Debate but sadden for what the debate is about.
Thank you for teaching this guy I think he needs more classes.❤
Who was it before Hamas?
Israel 🇮🇱 wanted the territory for themselves,with no Palestinians for seven decades. PERIOD!
Why would Israel agree to the Oslo Accords in 1993 then. This actually would be the first time a Palestinian state would ever get any land.
After 75 years of force why not try diplomacy for a change?
When do people resort to brute force? When they cannot win the argument.
you guys need to face the fact that people have googled the history of israel and zionism, both are unacceptable. its not just about gaza, gaza is just the sickening end game.
Yeah I’m at the point where the only people in Israel I have sympathy for are those who are fighting against the entire project to effectively reassemble Palestine.
At least they have history.
The "palestinian" people are no more than Islamic invention made ONLY to steal non-Muslim land
@@dani-ks9cg Really can't go that long in these threads before one of you pro-genocide sonofabitch's show up. I'm ashamed to breath the same air as you, so outspoken and proud of your hateful ignorance, I thought only neo-nazi's and KKK people think like that but Israeli's prove us wrong every time.
He is playing innocent victim like ISR has been doing, it’s disgusting to listen to that kind of talk.
At this point, majority of people has looked beyond their lies and excuses, people of the world want to move on to IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE and IMPLEMENTATION OF PLST STATE.
It’s a waste of time debating with self victimized liars.
Cenk you are being way too hospitable to this guy.
These conversations completely baffle me. This world will never achieve peace because people can't seem to see past their own bias no matter the consequences.
The size of a bomb has nothing to do with whether it's discriminate or indiscriminate. Please don't talk about military matters or war, about which you know nothing. Get some qualified military people on your show to explain things.
Thank you.
So you think leveling the entire place to find 40 thousand fighters is discriminate to get KHAMAAASSSS??? Or was it to make room for their new beach from properties. Come one, nobody is buying it.
It's ironic how he says the humanitarians killed left their loved ones to go help in the most dangerous place on the planet without realizing it's dangerous because of the IDF...not hamas. It's not hamas shooting and bombing aid workers indiscriminately. As 'evil' as the IDF calls them, they don't even attack the IDF medical teams during evacuations. The lack of self awareness on these people is putrid!
They sent rockets on civilians for 20 years. Emotional argument disregarded and thrown in the trash
@BonShula sounds like a blind israhell supporter to me.
@@Mr.Preston3991 he is a wilfully ignorant idiot .
Pointless as talking with a Trump supporter. Same old bullshit story.
46:38
_my heartbreaks for the Palestinians._
Jake is so disingenuous, as he wants the on s l a u g h t to continue.
They always come up with excuses for IDF atrocities
Israel does not more of a right to defend themselves more than palistinians.
PLO already arrested all of Hamas back in the day, and was willing to negotiate the two states, but Israel never offered anything with borders and air space and sea rights. Finally they assassinated Arafat.
In fact, both Israel and the USA blocked the approval of a UN recognized Palestine. Palestinians have tried and tried.
You’re full of it. Arafat died of natural causes. Look it up.
Stop Occupying
It's so obvious that any nation would have a group like Hamas if their country was occupied and controlled like Palestine is by Israel.
Not only are IDF actions driving this resistance but under the likes of Netanyahu, they have financed and supported Hamas because the belief was that it would keep Palestine divided and easier to subdue.
What about the siege of EGYPT on Gaza? I don't see you justifying atrocities against them as well
@@dani-ks9cg Egypt is run by El-Sisi dictator put in power by USA and Israel.
Israel left gaza in 2005 ...
@@sipp91 if you think having about 150 check points, over one million Palestinians not being able to return to their homes is left, then you're ignoring the truth. Israel has been in contravention of something like 20 UN resolutions since 1967 and is adding illegal settlements in the west bank all the time.
@@sipp91 you should research White Flight in the U.S. - People of the ethnic group of the Oppressors aka white people (and some of them Oppressors themselves) moved out of areas where the oppressed had moved into in higher numbers. Violence and crime tend to be higher in regions with a higher population of marginalized and ethnic groups. It is the results of oppression and government sanctioned bigotry that fuels the violent fires that lead to radical political views and the formations of groups like The New Black Panthers (not to be associated with the original Black Panthers). These groups tend to be rooted in racism and nationalism.
It is now impossible to win a debate being pro Israel.
They are "caught up in the conflict'
Jeez, they were murdered!!!
Wake up
27:27 unfamiliar territory? Is he serious? Israel has known Gaza, been occupying Gaza, has intelligence on Hamas and their tunnels, yet they decided to kill all those civilians.
What makes me so despondent is that this man is willing to listen, does not feel attacked and yet does not want or cannot see the facts and prefers to stay in his own way of thinking. Everything is because of Hamas. There is so much evidence of what Israel has done wrong. I have my doubts that it will ever work out.
The entire conflict makes sense if you consider Hamas a sociopathic death cult group that wants to maximize Israels suffering
Hamas is the response to previous Israeli brutality. How is this so hard for Israelis to understand? There’s a whole book about this subject: Rashid Khalidi’s
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine: A History of Settler Colonialism and Resistance,
1917-2017.
Jake Turx should read a copy. The reading public in the U.S. is reading this book, as I am. Jake is a reasonable person, I do believe. Maybe he would change his opinions if he considered the Palestinian arguments based on their history with Israel.
a guy trying to weasel a justification of what israel is doing while trying not to offend too much is just as bad as every other genocide supporter.
End the occupation and Give the Palestinians pre 1967 borders. Otherwise Israel should be defunded by the USA!
You mean pre-1948.
Never going back to 67 borders
Genuinely delusional
But you can yell it til the cows come home
Ok he's repeating over and over and over the same propaganda, trying to smear the victim. More lies aren't going to swing anyone
"i don't think anyone wants this war" - immediately can't tale this guy seriously. Either he is clueless about the israeli public or he is a bad actor. Why even talk to him?
Indeed, Islam waited for this war for long time and couldn't help themselves but start it on October 7th
@@dani-ks9cgso ignorant 🤦♂️
@@raedvalenzuela5085 The huge list of wars Islam participated says otherwise.
Go learn history
@@dani-ks9cgThe truth is that thanks to Israe and America, we are going to have attacks unleashed at any given moment
Wtf is wrong with this guy?
Cenks's special forces argument is hilarious and childish.
Pre-Oct.7th I didn't know anything about Israel and Palestine in a historical context but have read so much and listened to a gazillion interviews of professionals and journalists videos, viewed maps of Palestine pre-1948. Now I conclude I am 100% against the formation of a Jewish state from the get go evicting Palestinians off their land in the 1940's. I think Israel is a sick and cloistered society. It should become 1 state of Palestine with Jews, Muslims and Christians all living together like N. J., or 2 states within 1 state or 2 separate states with the West Bank going 100% to Palestinians.
simply from studying all this since 1948, I see how messed up Israel is, however, curious where you were able to find maps. The best I could do is find maps to just prior to this invasion on 1946. Israelis keep saying this their land re 7th century, etc.
@@marguerX I read the history of the Palestinians granted it was Wikipedia, it said Palestinians have been on that land traced back 3,700 years. Also, if you read New York Times articles from 1940's they refer to the region as Palestine. Many maps that I found pre 1948 list the land that as now Israel as Palestine.
@@njnative8111 brilliant. Thank you🙏
Yes the land definitely prior to Israel state was Palestine I just can’t find anyone naming it Palestine (perhaps a different story), but good to hear you were able to go back that far. It was supposed to be a peaceful region.
@@marguerX After world war 1 the winners, Britain Us ect, defined a state called Palestine. Right where Israel is now. Then ww2 ect. Read about the Balfour declaration in the early 1900. Free Palestine and end the occupation!
LOL imagine still talking about that one hospital
After 24 minutes I stopped. I can't take it anymore those convoluted lies.
i made it to 9.5 minutes
I did the same. It's a waste of time
the whole concept of Israel is just wrong on so many levels, seeing europeans pretending to be from the middle east is just gross. England is to blame for all of this...
Except you forget the fact that 60% of Isrealis are Middle Eastern Jews. Google any Middle Eastern country and Jews- common theme is being violently kicked out the country. One example is the Farhud in Iraq in 1941.
@@Girlforaction the real middle eastern jews had their own country they belonged to before israel even existed. Israel was invited in 1948 by england for the european jews they didnt want living there. Before 1948 where were the jews ? Just floating?
Cenk makes some good points and of course Jake is against anything but total take over of that beach front property.
Thank you cenk for being there for the Palestinian people and the fact that you get your facts right and morally i am totally behind your statements on this conflict. This is the reason i migrated over to TYT and im thinking about subscribing when i get my paycheck. Love the discourse. And thanks jake for being rational and not just saying hamas hamas hamas
I could kinda pin point when my mind turned. A video appeared where a journalist had two babies he found after they’ve been bombed. One child was bloodied and crying. The other wasn’t older than two. That baby obviously had some breathing injury and could barely breathe. I was out afterwards. Done! No kids! No kids! No! It’s not right when anyone does it. I automatically saw every child I’ve ever cared for in life
I made it 27 mins. Tried my best but this Jake guy doesn’t live in reality.
I had to go at 21. We tried.
They drink the IdF juice....
He lives in Israeli reality, which is divorced from the perspective of 90% of the rest of the planet
Congratulations, I gave up well before that when he was using the same propaganda I D F use.
Does he forget that Eylon _Propaganda_ Levy, their best liar has been removed from their team.
Everything Jake says Hamas is doing to Israel.. ISRAEL IS DOING TO GAZA
You get rid of Hams fighters by Treating the Palestinians as humans with respect and giving them a state. Israel takes only does not give.
Thats the recipe for October 7th. They don't want a state they want it all.
You're a brilliant logician Cenk that was pure listening pleasure
When the GAZA government started this they had to expect this to happen. .
If hamas knew it it wouldn't have done it. It's a lesson in learning the hard way.
Good job, Cenk. Thanks for having this discussion. It will have enormous resonance.
CENK we loved you ❤❤❤❤
Look at the way you have to twist yourself into a pretzel to defend what Israel is doing. Sad.
The resident IDF bootlicker Benny Gleib has been awfully quiet these days.
Thank goodness for all of us sane people
I don’t even like watching him at all
The Golda Meir sentence shows that they only have pity for themselves.
27:08 "I'm not using 2000 pound bombs YET?" What do you mean yet?
Any Israeli over 14 years old are considered combatants and IDF recruits in war time. Even non wartime every Israeli over 16 years old have to enlist in IDF so whether they are active duty or reservist they are valid targets for Hamas according to IDF standards.
I've cried many tears for what's happening in Palestine. I've felt huge anger towards the IDF who film themselves whilst joyfully committing war crimes but the video that really triggered me was a newsagents shop in Israel, where the shops CCTV filmed a bunch of IDF soldiers walking in and approaching two little (probably five or six years old) boys with their mum, pick one of those boys out and systematically bully him. There was something satanic about the enjoyment one particular soldier had whilst terrifying this small child. And it was the look of fear on his mothers face because she knew if she stepped in to protect her son, there would be consequences.
If you look good you see the boy had a picture of a gun on his shirt they took the shirt and went
Did you cry on October 7?
@@efi5953 That's not the same as the bully who approached him having a real gun is it.
No one wins in War. Urban warfare is so hard . Your real friends are here for you.
I could feel this was pointless after his 1st sentence. He has his fingers in his ears and is yelling la la la. His arguments are so ridiculous. Cenk, you could do better. I am screaming at my phone. This guy can't be that dumb, he's will fully refusing not to listen,understand, or look at all the facts around him.
Israel should refrain from interviews. lol you can’t defend the indefensible
Israeli society, at this moment seems incapable of viewing Palestinians as humans
Actually, the numbers were denied by experts. There is no difference between Hamas political and the minority of health. Do you research yourself.
This guy has been brainwashed so bad
I don’t agree with everything Cenk says on this topic. But, this was a very civil and decent conversation, and these types of talks give me hope.
Good interview. I would stop my hate when there's peace and I have a lot of hate.
Let me show you where Cenk's child-like logic is revealed 😂 starts at 38:35 to 40:11
Accountability is anti-Semitic
The Palestinians are anti semetic for dying en making Israel look bad
The British had a policy known as "de-housing". It was the targeted killing of civilians in Germany - the workers. They bombed at night because they didn't need to see a target. The whole town was the target. Was that OK? Are you upset with the outcome that helped to produce? If you're gonna take these positions on moral grounds, you have to be consistent or else we can dismiss your moral argument
It was a controversial policy at the time. The allies expended a considerable amount of effort working out what worked and what didn't work post war- and they themselves determined that bombing civilians out of their homes made very little difference to the outcome - bombing factories did make a big difference.
Furthermore, post war, Albert Speer claimed that the Allies were *very* close to shutting down production - and that the switch to bombing civilian targets gave Germany a chance to rebuild their production capacity, thus prolonging the war.
There's no way to prosecute a war against a government without a lot of civilians dying. Indeed, to be consistent you would have to leave a lot of other governments in place too. Or is Hamas just so special?
Don’t say you will never do what someone does until you walk in their shoes. The host knows nothing about the life there.
34:36 bro, they bombed FOOD WORKERS, people who had corresponded with the IDF. Literally, they knew who they were bombing, and yet they did anyways
You always have a choice and your choices are a reflection of your character and nature.
and you are right Chenk. I can't listen to this guy. he argues about the facts.
No. Just no. Jake Trux is NOT worth my time. Nope.
I don't need him to condemn Israel on everything, but at least he has to admit that Israel's brutal occupation of West Bank and Gaza is the root cause of this whole "conflict."
There’s nothing standing in Gaza it. So awful
That's because they built it under the ground instead of above it
Lost Palestine to israel
Cenk needs to read about the DAHIYA doctrine
I wonder why world hate them let me think about it
It's astonishing that this guy is a senior White House correspondent. 😫
It's astonishing that this guy was trying to run for presidency...
DEI baby.
@ 32:30 "In a very 'MINOOT' way I try to feel what they're feeling". So in essence he doesn't relate or feel anything for the Palestinians. Wow...
21:26 at this point, why WOULD Hamas or ANY CIVILIAN IN PALESTINE want peace right now?
It's like if a man is beating his wife, and one day, she hits back. Then he goes around telling everyone that she's a crazy b**ch.
Great interview, thanks TYT for always being a voice for reason. I feel very optimistic of this new generation.
oh boy lol
This kinda stuff is hard to watch sometimes but I am glad that this was handled with care and kindness it shows that Cenk is a perfectly reasonable and objective debater when he is being treated with basic respect and decency in return. (at least so far I'm 19 min in that could all change very quickly, I guess 😅😅)
I especially liked the way in which he very gently pointed out the way that alot of these talking points are more propaganda for the other side than for their own.
The things they say out loud looking into a camera live with their full chest look much worse than any propaganda Hamas could have come up with.
Cenk you have just done what Israel are trying to do been economical with the Truth. When Turkey invaded Cyprus it was an independent state. Turkish Cypriots numbered 18% of the population descended from the Ottomans. Greek Cypriots were 80% mostly descended from the indigenous people. 2% were Armenian and Maronites. Turkey leased Cyprus to Britain in exchange for fighting the Russians in the late 1800s and ceceeded it to Britain after WW1. It wasn't Greek and Turkish it was Cypriot of ethnic backgrounds. Kissinger encouraged a coup and then the Turkish invasion to establish a western presence because he believed Britain were going to leave. They didn't leave and Turkey is illegally occupying the North. At no point did they take the whole island and then give 60% back. By trying to act like Turkey did the right thing it hasn't. It occupied 37% it is no better than Israel. Turkey implanted main land Turks who have turned Turkish Cypriots into second class citizens.
How did Jake Turx managed to keep calm is beyond me. It was amazing to watch.
His opening statement set the tone for how every Israeli supporter thinks. They considered themselves the true victim's..The damn Palestinians made us do it, is essentially the first thing he said.
well It was quite peaceful for while over there until oct 7 happened
This's the best show I ever watched and I will repeat again and again .
Chenk you're a hero and this Israel gentle man I wanna hugg him 100% .I salute you sir .
Chenk you're smart ever