Destiny 2 Lore - Is Nezarec really dead after Root of Nightmares? Or will he return?
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- Destiny 2's Lore and Story from the Root of Nightmares Raid seems to raise the question of whether or not Nezarec is truly dead. Nezarec's Acolyes seem to believe that the Disciple of the Witness will rise again and have been working for a long time to bring about his return regardless of what happens in the raid. Today we're going to ask that question and examine if Nezarec is really dead or if he might one day return.
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I am reminded of a goal of Oryx: to become Axiomatic with Death. Wherever there is Death, there would be Oryx, and wherever Oryx was, there would be Death.
I wonder if Oryx was inspired by Nezarec. Perhaps Nezarec succeeded in this goal, to become Axiomatic with Pain.
Won’t be surprised that Nezarec put the sword logic all those years ago
I still think the Catherdral of Dusk is related to Nezarec. That would connect Oryx to him.
when you are vaccinated that thing you feel is nezarec!
I’m just imagining Nezarec and Riven having arguments in our guardian’s mind
They better pipe down or i will turn both of them into a weapon!
I dont like that. I dont want Nezarizz dragging embrassing stuff I did years ago to the surface😅😅
Nezzy: I will eternally haunt you through the peripheral of you mind.
Riven: Get in line, buddy.
This would be amusing.
@@epicponedge1177 Guardian: “Shut it or to the vault you both go!”
He will return as Nathanial final god of plums
He’s only Nathan to friends
Nathaniel mentioned. Nathaniel gang
Nathanial, Final God of B
His name Jeff
Nathaniel, Final God of Scuttlebugs
I feel like Nezzy is so far one of the few characters I actually consider to be a "god", someone who does not die, someone who's effects linger after their "death".
Too bad his raid mechanics don’t account for what he really is.
@@brawler5760 isn’t this a lore video?
I feel like if people still have trauma or fears about Nezarec, he will continue to live on through the minds of those he terrified. Reminds me of how Mithrax said Skiira the watcher ceased to terrorize Riis once people stopped paying it any attention. Nezarec doesn't necessarily need a body to live.
like they say, the greatest threat to a tyrant who rules through fear is someone who is no longer afraid
The freddy kruger effect
So just kill everyone who is afraid of him and then yourself.
So he's essentially the Destiny equivalent of Freddy Krueger
@@chelsthegameruiner8669 well a mix of Cthulhu and Freddy Krueger tbh
I feel like Nezarec is based on the immortal jellyfish in that even though he’s dead, he starts back at square one having to slowly build his power back to what it was.
Also in the lore tab of the exotic shotgun it says that Nezarec always welcomed death and that this one is no exception.
I'm convinced more now than ever that Nezarec was also Skira The Watcher. in that case, Mithrax already told us how to beat him.
I don't believe Nezarec to be dead. He has always had influence over our Guardians. After all. Every time we enter a "respawn restricted" zone, we see his claws and shadow tendrils in the corner of our vision.
WoW i didnt know this effect was about him can you explain it further please :o ?
@R D It's just my theory as to why it happens. But when you read about the descriptions of Nezarec presence , and went into a place with respawn restriction, it seems to line up a bit TOO perfectly. And when you view the lore as those areas being "darkness zones" which the darkness overwhelm or "chewed up" the light so bad AFTER the collapse, which we know Nezarec to have been around for the collapse, that the light can't burn there.
Pretty sure that’s always been there, good theory though I do agree he’s not dead
@s-ebbyy I know it has always been there. He has always been with us. Weather we knew it was him or not. That's what makes this theory all the more interesting
@@RD-qj1co its not. its just a theory.
I hope Nezarec will be one of our foes after the light and dark saga.
I think he will be the next "witness level" boss when that time comes. Unless Xivu Arath decides to come say what's up to Earth
@@davef4214 Maybe. I’d like to see him return in a different form. The model for him in the raid is not as a pictured him. But, that was when his body had been transformed by the powers of Light and Darkness in conflict within him. He very well could be the next “big bad” after this saga concludes. In many ways, he contrasts well as the antithesis of all the the Coalition stand against and fight for: hope, survival, peace, love, unity, and maybe eventually, the profession of thriving in a second Golden Age post the death of the Witness. Him being pain and fear personified would aim to undo any short age of peace we’d build in Sol after the war. He’d wake up maybe two or three years later, see how much Sol had thrived after the destruction of the Black Fleet, all the minions of the Witness, and it, and see a system ripe for tragedy and desolation. He’s a great candidate to taunt and discourage Guardians, he could use his Nightmares to torture all of Sol. He’s diffidently a universal threat that could play the role of an overarching villain. But, I’ve no doubt we may hunt down the rest of the Worm Gods and liberate Torobatal from the Hive in two other separate future expansions. Theres many directions Bungie can go after Final Shape, Nezarec is too good of a villain not to return. His voice, the enthusiasm he generates in the fear felt by others. It’s as if Freddy Krueger and The Scarecrow were mixed together in the personality of an eldritch Lovecraftian god. Him taking different forms, if he were to return, would make him a great villain on the level of Savathun. I hope we see him again.
@@garrettviewegh677 Nezarec is a threat grand enough to have a second raid in my opinion. But one where we solely fight him in different ways. It's clear at least that his consciousness, is immortal. His power will grow exponentially between now and when he does return. I have no doubt he comes back honestly, he's too thematically impactful to not come back at some point. Back to Xivu too, I'd very much like to fight her and her brood. However I see her leading an assault on Earth
I mean, he is made of Darkness and light rn. Seems pretty fitting
@@Sky-nq9pw he is an entity of darkness revived by the the travelers light beam, resulting in his grotesque figure. His body was in a way rejecting both paracausal forces
I really appreciate the time you take to make these video's Byf. Always amazes me how you can put lore together that's spead throughout the years of Destiny.
Idk man it’s felt like he’s gone over the same 2 videos worth of information since lightfall dropped
Everything about Nezarec feels really Lovecraftian and I love it.
Brah died at respon point . What nightmare is this lmaooo
He feels like an eldritch being if sorts, like "It"
I wonder if Nezarec is related to Ahamkara and Worm Gods at all, the concept art mentions him being a chimera of sorts so maybe he gets his psychic powers through having bits and pieces of those creatures?
I think him being a chimera either refers to him being of light and dark or because of his eyes.
@@giles.9862 he is composed of multiple species of the witnesses design over time as a disciple actually which aids in his intelligence and power which is horrifying but so cool tbh
It kinda makes sense. As lightbearers, we are physically reborn but not mentally/memory-wise. Darkness-based entities may be able to be reborn mentally/via memory but cannot reform themselves physically.
Even Rhulk tried to remake himself by overtaking another’s body if you look at the Vow raid sparrow. His mind lived on, but not his body.
I’d honestly be more concerned if he didn’t come back. For all we know his original power is still out there, perhaps tucked away in remnants of his relics, or transferred to Osiris from the darkness tea…
Also quick thought, what if the ghost Rhulk captured and talked to and tried to force to give him the light was taken over not by the traveler, but the Witness? And forced to self destruct. After the Lightfall campaign we know the witness has the ability to take over ghosts.
Is a good theory. It fits really well. I would imagine the witness had a plan that invovled Rhulk getting sealed away. A plan that is part of a larger plan involving us, the Player.
In the dark future, if I rember correctly, we are integral to the witness' plan in that timeline in someway, part I forgor it.
can you explain how on earth it was the witness that possessed that ghost?
it clearly wasn't him
Fun fact. There is a personification of pain in Greek mythology and his mother is Eris, goddess of strife and discord.
For now, there's no better group of people to bear Nezarec's nightmares than the group that killed him.
Savathun?
No, only that one guardian who soloed him
Man, if only there was some sort of...I dont know, maybe a *paracausal force* that could help with *forgetting.*
Would really help with giving a true final death to a god that survives in the memories of others.
There very could be a season or future expansion involving us killing off Nezarec’s cult, and using Psions and other methods to use The light on a universal scale to destroy the memory of Nezarec. Destroying every part of him would ensure he’s fully dead too. Maybe in a future season or expansion.
Exo reboots too
@@garrettviewegh677 If/when we get Destiny 3, Nezarec could make for a great Year 1 antagonist. Something, something, "I feasted upon the delicious pain caused by your last battles against the Witness, and will use the power I gained from it all to do what the Witness couldn't do: destroy Guardians in mind, body, and spirit." Imagine being able to find, enter, loot, and then destroy every single Tomb of Nezarec, with some choice commentary from our buddy Drifter particularly with the Fourth Tomb. That could be great fun.
Or maybe he'd be a good Year 2 villain, so Year 1 could focus on helping Caiatl reconquer Torobatl. Whatever form it would take, going outside the Sol system to have adventures would be spectacular. Retake Torobatl, have a raid on 2082 Volantis, plumb the depths of lost Athenaeum Worlds, learn more about the origins of the Leviathan (either Calus' exile ship, the creature that fought the Hive Worm Gods, or both), search for relics of the Ecumene...there are a lot of loose threads throughout the lore that we could tug on.
@@justinchamberlin4195 Maybe. I’ve envisioned that after the Witness, it’s fleets, and it’s followers are all killed, Sol will know a new Golden Age of peace and prosperity. With the ending of the Final Shape transitioning the narrative beyond Sol. The system would be peaceful with very few enemies within to fight, while Guardians and some Coaltion allies would travel with us in the Helm beyond Sol to protect those beyond under the threat of the Hive, Nezarec and his followers, or maybe a new enemy. But, it may not be retitled Destiny 3. Bungie’s stated they won’t do a Destiny 3, rather a continuation in the same game, into new stories in a new saga, rather than creating a whole new game.
that how witness want kill him, destroy everyone who remember ? we know he want free world from pain :D
Nezarecs death makes me wonder if perhaps Rhulk could potentially still live. He was more powerful than Nezarec, but perhaps it's the psionic powers that Nezarec holds that keeps him persistant after death.
Waiting for us to get the power of Ad Block for Nezarec
I mean idk if Rhulk has more potential than Nezarec though despite that even though rhulk is nuts in the lore Nezarec might have more ambition and daring to go further if given the chance again tbh like I think Nezarec is scarier for the fact that he has to try a lot harder than rhulk to do more damage but arguably will do more damage in time on his own principles compared to rhulk, he’s much more vicious than rhulk idealistically I feel
Hate to break it to but the after dialouge after defeating rhulk talks about how we end up giving the remains of rhulk to a member of the forbidden named Marco, and as Marcos on his way to bring back the remains to the enclave on Mars his sparrows motor has a problem which gives him a broken leg and punctured lung and the seal or box whatever that had rhulks remains in it cracks open spilling the liquid darkness veins and it gets into Marcos position and it ends up possessing him and before he fully gets possessed he uses all if his will power to grab his sidearm and he shoots his sparrow and it ends up making a small nuclear explosion that kills Marco and completely blows up rhulks remains for good
The short version for what I said is that a member of the forbidden that was told to bring rhulks remains to the enclave had a problem and had to blow up the remains and he died but rhulks remains are gone for good
i think once naz sees that the witness actually wants to end creation, he will help the guardian since he likes the pain we inflict
Byf: Calm and concisely explaining lore
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Since Nezarec is a being of darkness, who's to say he doesn't have a throne world like the hive gods?
Thanks for the great hard work!
Great content as always Byf!
Funny to think that, as long as there is pain/fear, Nezarec will prevail, because as we all know, there is a being out there who specifically seeks to "rid the universe of pain and needless suffering."
What if the only way to truly defeat Nezarec were to enact the Final Shape? Wouldn't that be something?
Sounds like a good way to defeat all of our enemies, just delete all of existence. Easy.
I feel like we may have killed Nezarec in the physical sense, but his final lines elude to the classic trope of "I may die, but I will haunt you forever" kinda thing. It'd be interesting to see how his influence changes things in the coming seasons and story beats of Destiny going forward. Great vid as always Byf!
Long time first time - legit love this lore theory, thank you Mr. Byf
Love a byf video 1st thing in the morning!
That drift u did was clean at boy
Grats on a million!!!!!
Traveler: "Wanna see me ressurect Nezarec?"
Traveler: "Wanna see me do it again?"
Nezarec: (Does his nightmare schitck)
The Guardian: You hear something?
As long as there's pieces to be recovered he'll come back. and I guess the next time it'll be from the eyeball that was thrown into space
Thank you Byf, and your editor(s), and other team members.
Don't think we need to worry about the eye (of Nezarec) or any other physical body part for that matter. If feels like Nezarec works more on a physic/fear/dream-nightmare kind of level. Also, the cult is a real worry; what ever happened to them . . . not sure if we even know, that's damn scary?
This might be where Savathûn’s song finally comes back into play. Maybe the song is a back up plan in case Nezarec tries to psychically res himself. Idk or maybe Bungie just forgot about it.
I think that was a mutant Nezarec formed from Nezarec's head and the light of the traveler beam...that was not the actual Nezarec
Right
Is this in any way similar to how aurix summons back xivu arath and savathun back from true deaths in the books of sorrow?
11:02 what about Osiris? He literally consumed parts of Nezarec in form of a tea. What if he continues to live in him
I mean at this point he's like Taniks or that Xivu Arath's knight we killed 10 times already 😅 I have more respect for villains that stay dead, but their legacy lives on through their successors.
You seem boring to want things you kill to merely stay dead when it’s just cooler for them to refuse to stay dead
Like we are talking about an eldritch deity here of course he’s not actually dead he’s a plane above us in existence dude he’s gonna come back to go harder than he did before
I think the helmet's lore tab foretells the encounter of the raid, "purest light, darkest hour", "when the guiding shine fades and all seems lost". In a way, these bits can mean the Witness' attack on the Traveler.
To the question if he'll return, well, might be, but this time it required both darkness from the Witness and the Traveler's "light blast", something like this isn't happening that often for us to be worried that nez will return soon.
But in any case, thanks for all the coverage and keep up the good work!👍
Once we’re more attuned with the darkness (1 more subclass) i really want some kind of “shift” to happen with our guardian where we end up with some kind of rift from messing with the ascendant plane, or gain a throne world from all the darkness or some type of sever in our minds(like Calus in Leviathan or Duality) but it is infested by Nezarec and we have to go into our own throne world/ mind to fight him in his final/ true form!
I feel like he will return in a future expansion now that he has a "new perspective" in relation to both light and dark and I think Bungie will probably want to expand on that
thanks Byf, the best destiny lore channell.
The thing with pain and fear is: Guardians are very good at spreading them around as immortal fighting machines. So just like with Xivu Arath last season (and to an extent with the great Ahamkara hunt), while doing what we do to survive and protect, we are also (unintentionally) worshiping Nezarec, Furthermore, a part of Nezarec may reside within Osiris, depending on exactly how Misraaks made the poition that revived him.
Which,by the way, the whispers told him to do
On top of Nezarec, will Riven ever speak again to us?
I hope we end up resorting to Riven to wish Nezzy away
Can't wait for the thick and fast content proceeding season of the deep.
Nezarec: "Despair, Lightbearer, for I will come back to life no matter how many times you kill me!"
Guardian: "...so there's this thing we do on the reg called The Crucible..."
Keep it coming THICK and FAST!!! 😆
I’d like some lore for Nezarec like we got for Rhulk. Where’s he from, species name, what got him to the witness, etc.
Would love to see something like our Guardian having to figure out how to use Nezarec’s pyramid ship to enter the portal in the Traveler, and in doing so we have to fight and defeat a Nightmare of Nezarec.
Nezarec is Freddy Krueger, you can’t kill what is unkillable..even if you only think on him briefly that’s enough. Another great vid byf
I just realized that the warlock bond is Nezarec's missing eye. So... I guess we don't have to worry about that eye floating through space.
My god that’s scary yup we are definitely encountering that monster again later
I am loving this nezarec lore!
Every time the Kiraxis eye is talked about it bothers me because I am fully confident that that whole lore tab is a dream/nightmare. It ends and starts in the same place. As he falls asleep and wakes up. So I really don’t think that eye really was ever taken
First off, love your stuff, and thank you for explaining the lore in-depth and/or simplifying it for guardians like myself.
Two things here that stand out for me. The phrase "Every man has two deaths. When he is buried in the ground and the last time someone says their name". Second, Wes Craven's Nightmare on Elm Street. Freddy Krueger would gain more power from the people that would remember him and he would attack through nightmares. . . .
Nostalgia might be kicking in, but I believe Nezarec and Freddy Krueger are one in the same.
Splicing has a 80s trend vibe as well . . . . Just sayin'
Dungeon/ Raid Lair idea: A damaged Pyramid arrives on Earth with whatever remains of Nezerac onboard. A ritual conducted by Shadow Legion Psions has managed to revive Nezerac, albeit at a weaker, damaged state after R.O.N. His presence on Earth cause severe nightmares and day terrors for the people in the EDZ and the Last City, as well as some of those in the Tower, which alerts them of his arrival. The Vanguard was able to find out a way to permanently kill Nezerac, preventing any further ressurections by using Pryamid artifacts from the Lunar Pyramid and some stuff collected after Root of Nightmares.
In 3 or 4 very short, maybe easy missions, you collect these artifacts, which then unlocks access to the Dungeon/Raid Lair.
You and two others (or just you) are tasked to enter Pyramid, which is expanded and enhanced for fit a dungeon and stop the ritual, as well as permanently killing Nezerac. He will be withered and not at hisheightt of power, but still very much a threat.
Taking inspiration from Duality, his boss fight will be set up like this: his health will be split in 4. Two of the smaller bars will be him being protected by Psion, which you have to damage and then kill in between the first two phases. After the Psions are dead, Nezarec will be vulnerable. The next two phases will be of just him with the final phas, which will be Nezarec in an enchanced Torment form. After killing him, the Pyramid tech we needed will be used to destroy the remains permanently, thus truly killing the Final God of Pain.
He's sitting in the respawn lobby with Taniks.
1. What that Eliksni experienced in that lore tab (blinking and ending up in a different time and place), didn't Eris experience the same thing in her search for Nezarec? Is it possible that her mind could be infiltrated by Nezarec? Or is she still protected by the ritual she did with the Crown of Sorrows? What's her role on all this? Where did she go? What's she up to?
2. Is it possible that Dredgen Yor/ Rezyl Azzir made contact with Nezarec when he went into the depths of the moon?
Looking back at the lore from Nezerac's Sin after the latest Final Shape trailer dropped. Makes me wonder if that was Nezerac in the trailer.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
Howard Phillips Lovecraft
My best guess is nezeracs cult will find out nezerac was revived physically and we killed him which will whip the cult into a frenzy. The body parts form plunder are still in our keeping so I wonder if the cultist are able to get those parts back could they revive a more powerful nezerac?
I could see nezerac wanting to take some revenge on savathun and us so he starts manipulating actions and gets his cult to move the body parts to a ritual space and can be revived to take revenge
We need to see him at his original power when he brought forth the first collapse when he comes back otherwise Bungie is bullshitting, he’s too cool lore wise for that to not be done
Nezarac has no House… wait wrong raid boss
But this sounds like something I heard watching Supernatural, a Tulpa, where belief or worship of an idea or concept brings something to life, similar to the Orcs of Warhammer 40k or the Primevals of FF14
I wrote my theory on Nezarec on the last video, so this time I wanna focus on one line that stands out to me.
In, Of Hated Nezarec, they talk about how he is an end of a way. I can’t think of anything else it would be referring to but the Final Shape. Which means that there might be many paths to achieving the Final Shape and his Acolytes believe that he has achieved “the end” or Final Shape status. We know that the sword logic likes simplicity. What could be more simple and more effective than fear?
Perhaps the other Disciples of the Witness represented other forms of simplistic destructive effectiveness? Perhaps the Final Shape is either: not a physical being at all but an idea, or, a physical being that represents that idea so fully as to be indistinguishable from it. After all, we do also know that Oryx wanted to be “wherever death was”.
We have Death and Fear, both simple and effective. They destroy and render ineffective and they take a great amount of effort to overcome.
Far fetched but what if each time we enter a darkness zone in game the dark shadows or claws are that of nezerks influence and he creates these zones as areas of fear/terror that he collects paracausual energy from?
nezerec got bodied by savatuhun before she had the light but she had to lock away rhulk so he wouldn't Destroy her throne world maybe the longer the entity is a disciple the more power they have
Tbf savatuhun stabbed him in the back most likely
I think that Savathun locked Rhulk away so she could deal with Rhulk properly once her plan to move the traveller was complete. We killed Savathun first.
I don't think Savathun is at 100% strength, as she had to dedicate part of herself to this ritual, hence why she couldn't kill Rhulk, nor use her full powers on us.
@@anotter321 in the raid he talks about how the almighty destroys worlds
@@anotter321 if only savathun could memorize symbols. She would've been able to handle rhulk mich sooner lol
@@desmoshi7075 It was the Upended. It was in his eyes, his only chance, and it looks like it is powered by the mother of the worm gods and Rhulk. Rhulk alone isn't powerful enough to 1v1 Savathun or use the upended, otherwise he would've already used it before Witch queen.
Your theory does hold some credit, but I think its much similar to how our light level increases rather than a duration of time kinda thing.
It would also explain why I imagine Savathun was such a threat, as she got the highest light level at the time of Witch queen ontop of her current darkness light level based antics.
It would also explain why she bodied Nezarec. Its an interesting thing to think about.
What if it is Byf's mind that Nezarec is haunting as a bit of fourth wall breaking, hence the reason for making this video? Nezarec is allowed to linger in the memories of our Guardians because we the players are the ones remembering him. We the players are the ones replaying the raid, keeping Nezarec "alive" just to be killed and farmed for loot, such as Conditional Finality. It's sort of like how Oryx became an immortal embodiment of the Sword Logic as a result of us crafting Touch of Malice. Had we not done that, this wouldn't have come to pass. Same goes with Xol and Whisper of the Worm. These enemies are becoming immortal through the players' actions. Nezarec's finality is "conditional" (deliberate word choice) upon people forgetting who he is, including us the players.
Up until Lightfall, we (as a community) all genuinely believed Nezarec to be dead, and we wouldn't have been aware of Nezarec whispering to us unless we wielded gear touched by his influence, though as awareness of his existence grew, so too did Nezarec's sphere of influence. Nezarec was being revived long before the raid, simply by speaking his name. So long as we keep talking about Nezarec, he will never die.
The way to kill a god is not with the sword, but by starving it of prayers and forgetting it ever existed, so unfortunately, it is people like Byf who ensure Nezarec's immortality.
I wouldn't be surprised. Ahamkara do the same
Maybe Nezarec's eyeball floating out there in space will grow into that Taken meatball Primeval from Gambit or the EDZ BG.
Nezarec has quickly rose to become my favorite Destiny antagonist. Reminds me of one of my other favorite gaming villains, Sephiroth from FF7.
I might be mistaking it with a different lore universe, but isn’t there something in destiny that can basically delete someone or something from the memory of everyone? I feel like it was something in the vault of glass lore a while back
Nezarec: "I will never be just a memory" (Dies, One Winged Angel plays off in the distance)
No but in all seriousness Nezarec is giving me psychic vampire vibes.
I think a good question is how strong he was with the light, when he was resurrected by the traveler I wonder what powers it gave him and the nature of his resurrection.
Nezarec: ""My memory will never extinguish. In your calmest moments, your deepest slumber, you will remember me guardian."
The Guardian: "Sure thing... uh... Nezcafe!"
Nezarec: "... *sigh*"
I like that nezarek is basically just.... Freddy Krueger.
Nezarec is the Freddy Kruger of the Destiny universe
Kinda wish they added a new ornament for the nezarec sin when the raid came out since he was getting so much shine going into lightfall
"Not too dead to dream" is such a great cosmic horror trope.
Nezerec is gonna be the next taniks
would make for interesting story dynamic if nezarec was brought back from the "tea" that osiris had drank to return to life. it would be an actual really good way to see osiris die seeing him slowly get corrupted more and more until nezarec bursts out through him
What was that quote from Mass Effect 2? "Even Dead Gods Still Dream."
an interesting realization. The prophecy is about that one eye. it will remain watchful even as stars die, and new light blinks in. pay attention to the language. It repeatedly uses the language of Eyes.
I can see Nezerac returning as the main antagonist of the next saga
This sorta just re-confirms my thought that Pain could be our final subclass, or what it’s based off of. It just sorta makes sense
The Eye of Nezarec could be on a snooker table somewhere in our solar system.
Nezarec really reminds me of the Gravemind in Halo. The heart of a hivemind dedicated to inflicting pain (sweetness) upon the living universe
Thank you lore dad.
Nezarec's final death most likely will come from savathûn.
I mean even a blind man can see she will be resurrected, and once she is resurrected she is going to use the light in combination of her deception skills to make some sort of forget spell that every living being in the universe forgets Nezarec.
(That or bungie will literally just never bring him up again during destiny's life cycle)
Also the Ahamkara card is also still in bungie's hand if they write themselves into a corner.
I figured Nezarec isn't permanently dead because he has the Light now and can come back fully more easily now. I can tell you right now, the only nightmare of Nezarec I have is if all of a sudden, he stops dropping loot when I kill him. The guy is a joke as a raid boss.
Are we sure Savathun’s kill of Nezarak was his first death?
Not according to his lore tab on the shotgub
I'm 90% sure it wasn't. His own words seem to indicate he "dies" a lot
Makes me wonder if he is not part of the great Darkness.. but he seems like one of those things that's a fundamental part of the universe.. if one did some how get rid him once and for all,how do we know that it might or might not cause a greater problem down the road.
I mist remind y'all that beside all said, he's also IN Osyris. I'm waiting for that Chechovs gun for a while now
I'm personally of the feeling that this is similar to the ending dialogue for Last Wish. "Well done, You've killed me. Now live with me forever".
I gotta drop this:
Nezarec’s theme for Destiny 2 -
Warren G and Nate Dogg - “Nobody does it better”
Nezarec kinda reminds me of Savaathun's song. I feel like he could exist as an idea, like Xivu is the aspect of fear, Nezzy's the Aspect of pain and fear.
Another thing that points to the idea of Nezarec still being alive is specifically *when* his final piece of dialogue plays. Compared to someone like Rhulk, who says his final “Witness… forgive me!” line as he dies, Nezarec specifically talks *after* he dies. The only other character to talk like this has been riven, a character who is part of a species well known to be able to still interact with and influence the world well after their deaths.
@10:56 that is the true God of pain
From what we have seen, light can revive people from remains. Nez was also resurrected by the light. So it is possible.
Maybe the bodyparts of nezarac have influence on others without his doing.
His final words are not of resurrection, but of remembrance. He can haunt you without him being alive.
Considering he’s become synonymous with fear itself, and he seems to exist as long as there is fear, and he is remembered, perhaps the only way to ensure his final, complete death, is to destroy every scrap of Nezarec, and find a way to erase the memories of him from everyone that’s known him, erasing the Final God of Pain from reality. But, it would be great to have him as the next big bad for the next saga after Final Shape, or a future expansion. He’s such and interesting villain.
Definitely #1 for each class: Blight Ranger, Apo Veil, and Point Contact/Eternal Warrior tie.
I hope he is still alive so he can get a proper boss fight next time around
The way I see it Nezarec to us is Sephiroth to cloud. To quote the legend himself: " I will never be a memory..."