Destiny 2 Lore - What is "the Upended?" in the Vow of the Disciple raid? Rhulk's super weapon?
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- Destiny 2's Lore and story from the vow of the Disciple Raid shows us how Rhulk is constantly talking about "The Upended." But what is the Upended? It might well be the cube in the middle of the raid, above the worm god. But what does it do? Is it a super weapon? A world Engine? Time to investigate!
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Byf, you’re legit my cure for insomnia. Your videos feel like we’re all sitting next to a fire somewhere, pestering you with questions about our allies or foes and you’re the wise storyteller teaching us our history.
I legit hope there's an animation like that one day
I second this. I love the comfort that your videos provide. I love playing the game, and reading the lore ok my own, but this is a stress-free way to enjoy the game.
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Man, when the rhulk dialogue starts at 2:45, the depth of field blur on the background makes the upended look exactly like a face
ZAVALA
My theory stems from the idea that there are 3 Elements: Void, Solar, Arc. The Light *Gives* that type of energy to the target, while The Darkness *Takes* it away. All Stasis does is *Takes* the Solar energy away. The Decay or Poison element seen in Thorn, Striga, etc. *Takes* Arc energy away, causing the target to fall apart at a molecular level.
Whatever the orange energy that Rhulk and the Pyramids use is what I believe is the Darkness power that *Takes* Void. It *Takes* the mass energy, gravitational energy, and vacuum energy. What would happen if you used that on a stellar core? The star would shatter. What would happen if you used it on a planet? You could turn it upside down.
This is more what I believe drives and powers The Upended. It is entirely possible that your theory holds true, that it is the Planet-Moving engine.
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 right, but just because it does "poison" damage over time, doesn't mean it has anything to do with the necrotic type darkness poison
A very good point. Would also allow for there to be 3 light and 3 darkness subclasses. Each an opposite of one another. Although you could argue that decay is the opposite of solar. Which represents life. Stasis may be the opposite of arc. Representing the energy in all molecules.
@@mnn8tvdestiny184 solar and stasis are very much opposites as seen by last season's artifact mods. It was heavily implied they exists within the same spectrum.
Where as a type of decay/poison makes sense to be opposite of arc, and some sort of resonance/gravity (the chetto dust) the Rhulk gives off being opposite of void.
@@mnn8tvdestiny184 That could be the case. The way I understood it, Solar is the basic element behind Thermal energy, while Arc is behind Electromagnetic and Nuclear (as in the forces binding atomic nuclei together) energy, and Void is behind Vacuum, Gravitic, and Mass energy. You Take away a target's thermal energy? You cool it down, until it crystalizes. Ergo, Stasis is opposite Solar.
The main evidence I have defining Decay as the opposite of Arc is from the Necrotic Grips lore tab:
> He's been babbling since it hit his central nervous system, saying, "I'm reborn," or variations thereof. I think… he almost sounds happy.
Our central nervous system is a bunch of neurons firing elecrical impulses back and forth. Therefore, gradually Taking or negating the Arc energy within the nerves wouldn't kill them outright, like Stasis would (freezing and locking them up) or the opposite of Void would (rip them apart, maybe?); it may produce some weird results in the mind of the victim, like we see the unfortunate Carro go through.
@@michaelburton4471 Also, the orange energy is usually associated with objects seeming to pass through each other. Mass and Matter Energy is usually Void.
(Although, you could argue that it's the Electromagnetic forces that are keeping objects from doing that normally)
I have a small theory. Remember the 2 truths and 2 lies game with Savathun? in one of them she mentions the power to move worlds becoming ours. We just so happen to have a newly masterless pyramid ship and the Upended within. if the upended is really a relocation engine, then what if we learned how to use it?
Could be like how the shard of darkness and pyramid statues gave us stasis, the Upended will give us Resonance. The power to move planets that lies within the Upended will become ours to wield in the form of new abilities tied to the darkness and Resonance.
I very much doubt that any of the Black Fleet would teach us how to use their own superweapons against them. We would have to discover how to use the thing.
What if that was supposed to be the second darkness class? A gravity based one.
I do believe that can happen, but what if we can sway it to the Light just as we did with the Thorn
This! I was about to comment the same.
The idea of the Upended absorbing power and redirecting makes perfect sense. In the final encounter the dunkers are absorbing energy and turning it back on Rhulk, it’s even how you expose his weak spots. Then the Collective Obligation’s while gimmick is absorbing a debuff and using it yourself. I’d say it checks out
I still hold it was Guardians that used the Upended to defeat Rhulk. Consider where we fight him, that Guardians had to absorb his resonant power, and then redirect it back at him through the Raid mechanics.
Between that and Savathûn’s Light-curse upon him, it may have been the only way we could have defeated him.
He single-handed dove deep into Fundament, took a rib from the Leviathan, and subjugated the Worm Gods with ease.
Rhulk is far more powerful than Oryx, The Taken King…who was until this point, arguably the most powerful foe we’ve ever fought.
IMHO, we basically fought a nerfed/suppressed version of Rhulk…and even then we had use to his own power against him to even initially harm him with ours.
Had he been at full strength, we’d likely had no chance against him.
He was full strength during the raid he could’ve killed us as we stepped into the raid but didn’t take a serious until last stand
To me, the "turning worlds upside down" reminded me of the Syzygy that flooded Titan and Fundament. This would also essentially flip the world, flooding the continents and any living things with a planets oceans.
It Literally could have caused both events too
I think the Upended must cause a much more immediate destruction. The Syzygy was the product of a slow process of manipulating the moons. This was more likely accomplished with the pyramid's more general gravity manipulating properties.
I think that the "darkness dimension" to which the Darkness removes/relocates objects might not even be a "where", but "when"; considering that we got Deepsight after communing with the Darkness again and that it gives us the ability to see into the past/memories of things, the planets that were sunset might in fact be thrown into the distant future/past. This is also corroborated by the fact that our first mission in Mars shows us that there are temporal instabilities that are superposing into the "present" Mars landscape we know.
But this is just a theory... a... yes, theory.
There was also some lore a few years ago about that guardian stuck on the Almighty. He was stuck in some sort of slow motion time warp situation. Anyway his ghost couldnt rez him and it went into why it couldnt be done. And in the lore it mentioned that ghosts might be pulling copies of us from other timelines.
@@EdwardBoicourtIV But the orange flow was cabal tech, and how would the thanatonauts or warlocks that died to learn the secrets work?
@@majesticmajestic7058 I'm honestly not sure what you're asking. But I was just mentioning how ghosts might be raising guardians thru time. And that could correlate with the darkness. Idk how any of it works. I just hold X lol
I dont think viewing memories means we can access a pocket of the past, sorry
@@Plem_xo it seems to be a lot more than just “viewing” memories with deep sight, because you are physically able to interact with it.
My theory: the "triumvirate" refers to three aspects of darkness. Opportunity refers to the chance to rise up through the use of the sword logic and hone one's blade. Preservation refers to paring back the weak so the strong can grow, like we do in the Preservation mission by cutting down the scorn as they start to regrow like weeds. Salvation refers to the final shape, the end of the garden game where we no longer struggle between life and death.
I think it's worth a deep dive through Ishtar Collective to see every usage of Opportunity and Preservation, just as we are all familiar with the usage of Salvation, so we can put any and all theories to the test.
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 resonance makes sense and seems to be the element used by rhulk in the raid. But where do you see soulfire I wonder?
@@atsukana1704 the hive use soulfire. It's the green fire you see sometimes.
I don’t see the Hive’s magic system being a fundamental aspect of Darkness. They would have based their power on the Worm Gods’ own abilities, which (while considerable) are much lower on the Darkness ladder than we previously thought. I doubt they would have access to primordial power, and think that Soulfire is based largely on the Sword Logic and the paracausal link between the worms and the Worm Gods. Just as Mara Sov and the Awoken’s magic, while powerful and unique, doesn’t describe an elemental aspect of the universe.
You also have to consider that Stasis and Solar are diametrically opposed. Resonance may well be an opposite to Arc somehow, but it may also be a more broad type of weapon, similar to Awoken magics and soulfire. I’ve seen people posit that Decay/Poison or whatever Thorn and Ostio Striga represent might be opposite Arc, since Arc is strengthening bonds between particles and Decay weakens them.
I personally think that the final Darkness element will be some form of constricting growth. The roots that sprang from Rhulk and the Caretaker on their deaths and the Egregore that overgrew and overran the Glykon feel more primordial and basic to me, and this viral growth provides a pretty stark contrast to Void.
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 Just because the colors match doesn't mean it's Canon. The decay/poison spread by Thorn, Ostio Striga, and Necrotic Grips isn't soulfire and is green, so no firm conclusions there.
And the Crown of Sorrows was filled to the brim with Hive magic - soulfire - already. Ghaulran was possessed by Hive magics and could easily have been channeling what was already present.
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 hey here we are 2 months later and we found that crown!
Now at 10:21 isn’t the only time i‘ve seen this but why does the blurred Upended look like a face? That’s kinda creepy
And now I can't unsee it good lord that is creepy
It kinda looks like the witness
I thought that was creepy zavala
@@johngancarcik5682 with a large nose as well lol
Destiny Lore Vault is run by a friend of mine, it is nice to see the shout-out.
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My theory is that The Upended will be the source from which we learn either a new Darkness subclass or the "power to move worlds" that Savathun mentions to us.
No theory is stupid sorry
@@thatoneguy1553 So right. There's absolutely no precedent for us gaining darkness power from a pyramid ship.
Know this is a year old comment, but looking at this in a fresh light. I think this will be how we get the third subclass that uses Resonance. Fits with what Savathun said, fits the color opposite of arc, and thematically.
during the collapse Titan experienced gravitational anomalies that could be an “upending” and Cayde 6 describe the collapse as tendrils of darkness like what comes out of Rhulk when you defeat him in the raid
Not even 2 minutes into the video and byf shouts out another lore video gotta love the humility is amazing
I want to take a moment to appreciate that even Savathûn is tired of hearing Rhulk say "the UpENdeD" all the time.
What I find odd is that we are using darkness to fight darkness and yet somehow Savathun managed to counteract Rhulk's upended using the light. I wanna know how she did it and if we can use the principles she used.
from prophecy, I think that the nature of light and dark are just aspects of supernatural power. I imagine something like the upended uses a principle to invert things, but savathun did something to change its target from the "throne world" into "the pyramid". In a way, upending the upended. Just that she used the Light as the mechanism to do so.
I always thought that it was a twisted version of the original Lurbean sun harvester that Rhulk used to kill his own world. It collects and directs energies, possibly even paracausal energies, which might allow it to do things like move worlds by rending space and time just like it rent Lubrea’s blue sun.
The sequence of Rhulk saying "upended" was hilarious. 10/10
I think you hit the nail on the head. One you said the upended might relocate worlds, I immediately thought about some of the points you brought up. It makes so much sense
So, according to theory of The Upended being a teleporter for worlds , we can assume that every pyramid ship has a something like that inside or it is a one of a kind thing that Rhulk possessed.
I'm assuming that the Witness "bestowed" to Rhulk a one of a kind Darkness powers(Upended I guess) that I think in theory is a:
1) A one of kind of a power to take/ to move planets from one plane to another by turning the gravitational and magnetic fields through the space-time continuum and moves it from one point to another. That would explain the disappearance of the Mars and getting the Golden Age "time scar" in its surface
2) OR it's device that got created by Rhulk himself after he "got risen from the Deep" to become the first Disciple. And I'm assuming that it acts as a forge of re-creation, which erases everything to the ground and does not affect the owner of this device himself
It might be one of a kind because it’s from his home planet. Rhulk is the FIRST disciple of the witness, it’s likely that the black fleet turning planets upside down is actually rhulks doing.
On the note of 'Drown in the Deep, or rise from it' and the relation between the Ascendant Plane and the idea of the Pyramids having some sort of interdimensional relocation. Keep in mind what we learned about the Ascendant Plane during the previous season, with the leylines and how there are what are described as layers in the Plane.
It's entirely possible that there are layers of the Plane so deep that Light cannot reach it, but also layers so high that Dark cannot reach it. If one reality exists, it only seems correct that the opposite is true.
I hope that at one point we actually do something with the light and dark other than kill.
I believe the Upended is some kind of gravity-engine. Turning worlds upside down sound like gravity is being reversed, which would also be able to shatter stars. In the past is has also been said that the darkness has some power over gravity. Even the ability to move worlds can be explained by it. It can curve space-time to duch a degree that it creates a wormhole.
I think the Upended is some kind of conversion matrix that Rhulk could have had the time to repurpose properly after Lubrae’s shattering. Not exactly sure how, but it converts energy, a lot of it, into a different form for use. Subsequently, it can hold that energy, or redirect it. But I think at this point, this all seems like valid theories that you’re presenting in the video.
Seems like it can halt or reverse the flow with normal energy. And with paracausal energy it can turn something inside out/upsidedown in a perverse way, like the Stranger things show.
I find it likely that the sapphiric converter Rhulk used on Lubrae ultimately became the upended. There is a lot of overlap between his dialogue about the Upended and the demise of Lubrae, which would imply a strong connection between the two. I think he repurposed the Lubraean technology, then augmented it with pyramid technology and even later used Xita to power it.
Huh the upended actually looks like it has a face, with all those glowing red lines on it.
Fun idea: It won't be the Witness that is our enemy in Lighfall but another intelligence within Darkness, Calus's call to the Witness was first picked up by the Upended and that is what hides in the Scorn.
First of all: awesome work! Second, just as a heads-up: the link to Myelin's channel & video is missing from the description.
It was mentioned by Savathuun in her "2 truths, 2 lies" dialogue, that we would soon have the power to move worlds
You can actually see the upended being charged up during the raid. At the start, the light coming from it is dimmer, but as you progress through the next encounters you can see it getting brighter and brighter, and at the end you can see lightning and darkness energy flowing from it.
Going to have Rhulk saying "the Upended" echoing in my head for at least a week now.
I think you are correct about the function of the upended. If you think about the ending of season of arrivals when the darkness swallowed up the planets being vaulted, that could have been the upended at work. We just didn’t know it at the time
Byf, I think your audio is lower than the commercials that TH-cam plays. So I need to turn it up when listening to you but then get my ear drums blown out when a commercial pops in. I am listening in the car but you are the only content creator this happens with.
as a fan of your video's and mylans it was great to see you praise his video' big up to you and continue the great work
Something really cool that I never would have noticed without the way you out in the voice lines. When you faded out The Upeneded after the third encounter to play the voice line, the whole thing looked like a big head
Would be interesting if we found a way to use The Upended to bring back the other worlds. Turn it into a tool we can use
i love listening to rhulk talk its so...gentle yet agressive.
My thought on this is that the up ended will quite literally turn worlds upside down with reversing of polarities. Looking up the definition for upended I found that it means to overturn but has synonyms with elevated, lifted or upraised. So perhaps it elevates worlds to a different existence much like was mentioned by Byf. Elevating it to a new state of being and perception
Hell yeah! Another byf video!
2:54 the block looks like a face 👀
That's scary wtf lmao
Been listening to your show for a while as I get caught up and jump back into destiny from dabbling in it back in D1 and have had a great time! Thoroughly enjoy your content and exploration of the lore and finally feel I am getting to a point where I understand much more of what is happening in the destiny universe. That being said, in running with your theory about "the upended" and Rhulk's explanation of it reminds me of how Oryx put his throne world inside the Dreadnaught and it being celebrated as "Inversion day" by the Hive. Additionally, there could be some connection with that ability to the nature of the Taken. So, it could potentially be that the Upended was either the device that helped him do this or he developed one of his own. Though it doesn't rule this out in the former option, the latter of Oryx doing this on his own could put more credibility behind Savathun's statement in the Alter of Reflection that she is the one that took Mars. Anyway, at this point I may be rambling but thanks for your thought provoking theories. Looking forward to more content!
It is theorized that ghosts pull our reincarnations from alternate time lines. Maybe the upended does something similar, sending objects or worlds into a timeliness where darkness pervades all. Putting them in a dark reflection.
From everything I read, this sounds about right. With the Glycon story added this was the missing piece of the puzzle that had me completely miffed to what it was but now this makes total sense.
Initially I thought it was something to do with Luster. But I now think these are completely different things. In typical Bungie story telling there is always loose ends which make us wonder and theorise, I just want to have more clarity on Luster and where it plays it's part as a tool of the Witness.
Awesome story Lore Daddy, can't wait for more
Damn, now this is an eye opener of a video Eh...the more you talk about the darkness/Deep the more I want to learn about it more and MORE! Eh
Keep up the amazing content Eh BYF....you inspire us ALL Eh 😊👍
I think this makes alot of sense, especially considering what so many characters linked to the darkness has said before, about drowning in the deep. Personally i think they’re saying “you can’t live in a place without light” rather than anything literal. It would make alot of sense if this dimension these worlds were dragged into was the deep they always speak of. And hey, it might be a stretch, but I keep thinking of that cutscene explaining the collapse in destiny 1, where the darkness reached out from a sort of void or abyss, consuming worlds and such things.
I would love to see a podcast style series of you and mylen discussing the lore of destiny in an episodic series just choosing random topics or current events kind of like edptus ridiculous with bricky and DK but for destiny you both could even start a separate channel that benefits you both.
I legit purchased the DLC because of you, But sadly I do not feel the same “Magic” when playing it vs to when I am watching your videos XD Keep up the great work and I cannot wait for you to hit 1M Subs :)
I do love that even the witch queen goes "oh my god shut up about the upended already"
I think it is a conversion engine. Or at least a crucial part of it. The Upended could suck up the light in the throne world AND Mars. Then the dark could terraform and twist them to whatever it likes.
I say this because at the first story mission, the Lure (Savathun’s ship in Mars’ sky) is floating above a structure that looks strikingly similar to the Cradle in Io and last I checked, the pyramids turned it and the Tree of Silver Wings to darkness.
Something spooky might be happening to that place.
Byf I love your vids. Please master and compress your audio to get more output, you're dialogue is much quieter than other videos meaning adds are WAY louder than your videos
I was thinking it might be a gravity weapon, as what is considered to be up and down generally has a base in what way gravity is pulling, so that reversing the gravity would be turning things upside-down.
One of Savathun's "Two Lies / Two Truths" is the guardian learning the power to move worlds. Sounds like this upended is this power.
Great video Byf! I just wanted to point out that myelins links aren't in the description, just FYI :)
I love that intro with every time Rhulk said *THE UPENDED* it's becoming the next *SYLOK, THE DEFILED!!* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks byf you make the solo que grind bearable
This is brilliant analysis... will reasoned, well done.
I agree with your theory. The opportunity, preservation, and (most importantly) salvation used in the description reminds me of the 3 different descriptions we have of the force controlling the Darkness. The adjective "upended" is also appropriate for the forced relocation of planets. If Lubrae's sun were suddenly removed from its system, maybe the sudden change in gravity literally cracked Lubrae (not quite so sure about this part).
Also, we're like the ultimate accidental proof of the sword logic. The Darkness should feel very conflicted about fighting us.
Great vid byf;)
I do think the whole conversation around darkness powers and relocation is very interesting. Obviously the Darkness, the Witness, the Pyramids, and possibly the Upended have the power to relocate planetary bodies/objects/things. And in the campaign we hear about Savathun discovering the power to "Give" by reading the spaces between the Tablet of Ruin that describes the power to Take. Sav uses this power to move the Traveler into her throneworld and try to relocate the Traveler somewhere else where it can be "sealed away". That all sounds very similar to what the Upended possibly does and what we think the Witness can do. Plus the two truths/lies dialogue that talks about us getting the power to move planets and the symbol in the raid called "Give". But the raid symbol does just show a shard of pyramid tech (presumably) being given so it might not be the same "Giving" that Sav talks about. Idk, to me it seems like the power to move planets that Sav talks about and whatever the Witness does are the same things. Which would mean it's also what the Upended possibly does. Who knows!
I'm gonna wager heavily on the "The Upended is Alive" message has been looming in the background of Savathun's Throne World since the raid was completed. It was activated during the raid by us somehow, and it is now "Alive". That energy pouring out of the Pyramid did not start until the raid was done, and since Bungie loves a good bit of Bad happening after we clear a raid...me thinks we may be in for a surprise next season or maybe at the end of this one. Rhulk even says that we came to conqueror but gave assistance during the raid, so that even lends to this theory also 👍🏾
Given the way we captured Savathun's familiar and got more information out of it, it would be very cool if at some point we were able to speak with Rhulk. The lore about the speeder collecting items from the pyramid, and the speculation that Rhulk could be 'in' one of those containers, or that we could use deepsight on items related to him makes me hopeful that more answers will be provided over time. He's such an interesting character that having him dead almost the moment he was introduced seems like a big loss.
Great video glhf. Any chance you make a vid on the Lucen Tales lorebooks now that we got all the moths?
I think it was also used in the collapse as a weapon to "turn Worlds upside down" because the weapon described in the collapse uses gravity in some way.
Byf, is there any idea as to why the Traveler would resurrect Savathun with the Light? Is this something you will cover in some future video? BTW, glad to see you posting again after the madness from the past week.
The drowndrowndrown line reminds me of the fine text on one of the Garden of Salvation weapons
I think you're pretty spot on actually. First time I heard Rhulk talk about the "Upended", I immediately thought of the missing planets and the weird Darkness left behind where they ought to be. My mind also leapt to another thing that solidified the theory even more for me, even though it's an entirely separate piece of fiction: the "Upside-Down" in Stranger Things. A place that is out of step with our reality, can be crossed over to, and is a darker mirror to our reality where monsters dwell. Rhulks Upended could send worlds to a place much like the Upside-Down, a place where everything would look and seem much the same, except there would be no Light there. A place meant to perfectly preserve whatever is there since the Light can never reach it to change things. Perfect. Unending. Unchanging till the heat death of the universe.
The further Destiny gets along in its story the more I'm beginning to understand what the followers of the Witness mean by "Salvation", and it's honestly terrifying.
I believe Byf theory is correct because when you were able to run presage the normal run said "Jump coordinates matching an errant distress signal." but on master it read "A nearby anomaly flares with dark radiation. Move quickly or fall to the shadows." normal difficulty throughout destiny 2 describes things different than the harder difficulty which shows that they give context to things where the most observant people that catches it. Just with what Master difficulty text explains why we had a time limit to be there before we drowned in the deep or in this case the ship probably fell back to the other side where it's only darkness, which may explain exactly what the egregore vegetation was which is a plant-based intelligent life that formed on the ship. hense why the guardian was impaled by those things because instead of what I thought was an outside force like the boss of the scorn on the ship controlling it the egregore saw him as an anomaly of our realm and impaled him and turned what was him into more vegetation. I just wonder why it seems dormant on the drifters ship and on the glycon when we boarded it.
I love your videos, I've watched every single one since rise of iron
2:50 when you look at the Upended in the blurred background, you can see that it forms a face
I noticed that.
I suspect that it serves two purposes: One, it floods a target with Darkness. This to facilitate Two: separating the target into discrete pieces (potentially sequestering them in one of those dimensional anomalies in the first place), and then reconstructing them into a whole which may or may not make sense. Given the timescars riddling Mars, these pieces may be at least partially temporal in nature, in addition to their spatial qualities.
if you pause at somewhere from 3:00 to 3:30 , while the image of the Upended is blurred, you can see a silhouette of a face. At 3:25 it is more clear.
2:44 scared the shit out of me, when the big block gets blurred for the audio clip it looks like a face
I love how when you fade the image of the Upended to play the dialogues, the Upended starts looking like a face watching you.
I like the theory, and honestly I’d be shocked if this doesn’t come up again. They’ve put so much emphasis on it, and made sure it’s something we see front and centre, honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a “Season of the Upended/Upending” where it becomes active.
I could see a "Season of the Upended" coming in the Final Shape. Would fit well there.
Theory makes sense seeing as something called the "Upended" is called so because it flips things, so if it'll flip a planet to the deep, which is typically down, that'll swap it up, ultimately flipping the planet upside down by dowsing it in the deep
Or drowning as we've heard more often
Really love the theory on the upended purpose of relocation especially in regards to how intertwined that power is with the Witness. What ever this power of relocation is it seems like its going to be majorly focused next especially since Savathun alludes to us being able to gain the power to move worlds
Byf's loadouts are the real hero of these videos, dude is the avatar of anti-meta
All makes sense! Especially with the "two lies two truths" "You will soon be able to displace worlds" (or whatever she said)
It was always my interpretation that the Upended was the Sapphiric Coverter from his home of Lubrae. I thought he weaponized it and used it to reverse the energy flow back to the sapphire sun. When he describes the Upended in Preservation mission he mentions it in the same breadth as his realization of the suns of his planets and what they represent to him. Also in the raid armor lore tabs he mentions he used the coverter to destroy his world... which is also what he claims the Upended did. My theory is that the Sapphiric converter, which the traveler imparted to Lubrae, was turned into the upended when Hulk destroyed Lubrae. Remember that the converter was said to absorb energy and convert it to a usable form... much like how the Upended converts the paracausal power of Xita to power it. Lastly the mural in the pyramid has a building that looks suspiciously like and upside down Upended. In the mural it is placed on the side of the "light" sun of lubrae. Its markings and shape are very close to those seen on the upended.
It would be really cool is at some point, given that the Upended is a world transporter or involved in oir missing worlds, that we enter Rhulk's pyramid once more to use it ourselves and wrest our worlds back from their anomalies. Like Rhulk says, "A simple reversal"
additionally, during one of the "two truths and two lies" with Savanthun, she stated "you will soon have the ability to move worlds" I'm curious if that statement may have hinted at guardians gaining control over the upended
I’m thinking that maybe the upended is just one of several that are within some of the pyramids, but that we may learn later that Savathun did play a role in some of the worlds going missing, possibly by using the upended as it is still within her throne world despite the disagreements with Rhulk. I believe that it is one of the things that has the power to send objects into a different state of existence or something along those lines, but it’s size is meant to show us that it had the same capabilities for entire celestial bodies.
Referring to the upended as a triumvirate makes me think it could be an engine for converting the three light powers of an entire planet to their 3 darkness alternatives, essentially turning it "upsidedown" but also sealing it from the light.
I definitely agree, it seems like the Upended forces planets or areas into the Dark, or the Deep
A colosal ontological paracasual superweapon, wielding the darkness's gravitational distortion waves as a hammer, cracking and overturning the very fabric of space around it. Now that is some scary stuff
If this is the technology behind the Pryamid’s defensive strategy perhaps further study may help us find a way of disabling it in order to bring Rasputin back into the fight.
im bouta hear "the upended..." in my dreams XD it's said so many times in this vid. not a complaint just a funny thing. Great vid, probly finna head to myelin shortly
In some lore about the collapse isn't there mention of when the darkness came it sounded like the stretching of metal? Maybe its related to the Upended being in use?
2:53 the upended looks like two faces looking at each other. Like the album art for the Division Bell by Pink Floyd
It makes sense that the upended is a tool that the witness is proud of - the witness raid symbol has the upended in its hands, although split in two.
so around 2:44 blurring that box makes it look like some creepy face. had to mention that cuz now i cant unsee it
This is probably why Savathun was gathering void light back in the strike Savathuns song. She was probably trying to find a way to enter the void in order to hide from The Witness
You notice how throughout the pyramids you explore there are lots of statues of petrified bodies of various lifeforms, some resembling humanoids, some resembling horses, etc.
Perhaps "preservation" also entailed the collection of these crystallized taxidermies
I mean the rooms in the raid Pyramid have names like "Acquisition", "Exhibition", and "Collection" as if it were a Natural History museum made up of extinct species killed by Rhulk/Witness
Anyone else notice at 2:57 the upended in the blurred background lines up like a symmetrical face. Quite cool tbh
My theory: the deep, which is referenced as any place overwhelmed by darkness, is named as such because these places which are called the deep in the lore reference an actual physical place that is “the deep”. This place is an alternate dimension, or perhaps alternate universe/universes where the darkness completely snuffs out the light and only it remains. When Rhulk tells us to drown in the darkness before our final days he is referencing that when the upended activates it will transport the entire throne world and everything in it into the deep. These combined universes that have achieved their absolute finality under the control of the witness that composes the deep lack any boundaries between physical entities or things that exist within, hence the Glycon excerpts stating that everyone’s thoughts melded together with the ship and everything moves around. This would also explain why the witness references itself as multiple entities, because it is comprised of an amalgamation of all the entities that existed in the universes/timelines that were consumed before ours. This also explains why it speaks to us as ourselves when we first meet, because part of it may have been an alternate timeline version of us that was consumed into it when finality was achieved. People that “rise” from the deep are those that can endure it whilst still maintaining a semblance of themselves, leaving empowered by darkness rather than being subsumed into it, hence why the witness still maintains a physical form, as there are some dominant personalities that still retain a semblance of themselves.
I personally agree on the idea of the Upended being an engine capable of transporting planets and other entities to somewhere or "somewhen" (another comment mentioned something along the lines of the planets potentially being taken to a different time, not a different space) else, but this theory brings up some interesting questions about the nature of the reappearance of Mars. Was it deliberately brought back by the Witness? Did Savathûn play a role in its return? What caused the temporal anomalies? There's also a matter of what the anomalies where the planets once were even are, and I personally believe they serve a dual purpose, acting as both a portal/gateway and as a barrier designed to keep out the Light, as implied by both the Glykon being able to enter & exit the anomaly, as well as the Upended being said to take things out of the Light's reach.
(Before we continue, just know from here on out, things go on a bit of a tangent about what could happen later on, not entirely related to the Upended)
Questions aside, Mars's Upended-induced reappearance is unquestionably important, despite how little time is spent on it during the campaign, and it's clearly being set up to escalate in importance throughout this year, alongside another important red thing: Rasputin. We all know Rasputin is definitely playing a role within Year 5's story: References to him in lore, such as with the Grand Overture, as well as Ana Bray's appearance in the cutscene in Zavala's office, and another thing, referenced on the Enclave's Evidence Board, the NEFELE STRONGHOLD. The NEFELE STRONGHOLD referenced in the mystery revolving around the anomalies on Mars seems a bit random, but I imagine that'll be a huge topic of discussion as time goes by, especially since, if the Upended is related to the reappearance of Mars (emphasis on "re-"), we literally would never have learned about it were it not for those anomalies, as it seems to be so secretive & so confidential that not even RASPUTIN knew about it. Could this Stronghold be tied to Clovis Bray's research into the Darkness, and, if so, did the Witness, assuming it's responsible for Mars's reappearance, intentionally lay this information out for us to find? It really makes me wonder. Maybe the Stronghold will be one of the two new Dungeons coming this year, potentially centered around some of the most confidential knowledge of the Darkness acquired by Clovis Bray. Maybe Calus and Yirix could be hiding out there, engrossed in that knowledge. Either way, the Upended is definitely the first in a long line of dominoes, and I can't wait to see where that line leads us throughout Year 5.
Myelin lore dissection + Lore Daddy voiceover = Massive Lorection
This description also reminds me of the Deathsingers song. A song designed to kill everything but can be targeted at only specific targets
Just wanna say that this theory explains why in the Arrivals first cutscene the Javelins seems to hit a pyramid but then it suddenly comes back, so maybe in the future if we control this power, Rasputin can destroy a part of the black fleet alone
I believe it's a world relocation engine. I also think that our universe is on the light metaphysical manifestation, and the Upended is capable of introducing the dark stratum to our light one, severing the light and that matter of the universe from.the relocated area, as happened with the missing worlds at the moment. Saying the Upended is alive it could be meaning that darkness is alive, and potentially its counterpart too? That's stisll a mystery after all
I just think of the upended as the in universe explanation of darkness zones, if the upended was always in savathuns throne world then maybe savathuns role in us surviving the colapse might have simply been manipulating the way the upended was used and the darkness zones are just the places where there is still that leftover "blocking the light" effect. I can just about guarantee that I'm wrong but thats my idea until we get more info