Did you know you can reset the 400 percent dungeon bosses? You can kill them more than once in a single run and you get the ETA vouchers for each kill. When you kill 1 of the 2 bosses, you let the other one kill you, then you respawn in front of the bodd room and both of them spawn again. You can repeat this and kill 1 of the bosses until you reach the death count limit and get rewards fo each kill. Might not be worth on shorter runs but on longer runs where you just want to stock up on vouchers its worth it.
At the end of the day both mods are great and freyna will delete the content whichever mod you are using. I thought this would be a fun test but at the end of the day whichever feels better to you is the mod you should run. Enjoy!
The weapon also plays apart of the speed!! If you run that speed boost with EL lmg she moves lil slow, with a AR & smg same. If you want the best speed boost run that build with the leveled up final masterpiece. She will out run BUNNY!!!!
@@Hozasarunah laserbolt made a freyna build video and he said this is the best build for 400% dungeon and said DONT listen to anyone else who is telling you contagion isn’t the best. He was like you lose a fraction of damage but venom isn’t the best. But mossy clearly said in his video, using it for the SPEED
Laserbolt may be right but the venom synthesis with a handgun like the final masterpiece FREYNA will out run BUNNY. I KNOW B/c that what I use and I have out ran bunny
Such a wholesome and great video! That's pretty much it, though... Contagion is amazing for room clearing with all the Room 0 spreading, whilst Synthesis can stack the different procs onto another whilst still clearing rooms at a pretty rapid pace!
Just a note for anyone else following this guide you may instead want to catalyze the Toxic Amp as an M slot as that one Moxsy changed is already an R and you can save one catalyst.
One thing to note as well: power increase and dangerous ambush use the same multiplier. That means that for bosses, if you use power increase you will do more damage before you down the boss, but less than with an extra toxic modifier when the boss is down. Depending on the time the boss spends being down or not, power or toxic could be better.
Yeah, it's also worth noting that power increase will in turn cause staggers on bosses slightly faster, making you proc ambush potentially a few shots earlier than without.
I too noticed after following your guide that no contagion was a bit lack luster. After seeing a demonstration, I can see the difference is the need to keep other abilities up as well. A bit of a hard pick for me as contagion is quite the sight and power fantasy but no contagion has more button presses and timings making it more engaging. Thank you for the video and I hope other peoples feedback wasn't too harsh
For me it comes down to the movement speed buff. I prefer that over how much damage and speed clearing. Its how I found your video. I tried contagion and remembered that Freyna had something like Viessa's frost roads so googled Freyna movement speed transcendant mod and found your video. It will be interesting to watch these runs but either way I want the movement buff.
And yes you need to use more skills but I like that as well. Contagion felt a little boring since you press 1 and done. It almost seemed like Freyna could not keep up with her own devastation from skill 1.
thanks for the update. Watching you play, I say the contagion is for me when I want to layback and chill. Which is 90% of the time I'm playing this game.
Hey man thank you for all the great TFD help, tips and content. It's made my experience even better with the game. I thought I was alright with modding, but with little adjustments that I have taken from your builds it's gotten me further than I ever thought I would.
I like runing Contagion personally cause if i need it, it makes the 2 give you 50% armour which can be nice in a tight spot especially if you have worse luck with components
I found out about power increase after your bunny guide, thankfully I tried it out before catalyzing! Either whey the info was from you so thanks for putting out the content brother!
As I expected on the Xbox Series X with performance mode, the 400% dungeons, while being Bunny and having Freyna there, the graphics are deteriorating with the frame rate as well, quite significantly.
I tested both red mods too and I would say: venom synth may be better because you don't need so much range with it. So one can replace one range mod (r mod) with something else.
honestly, i love using venom synth for everything. it works well. i have a processor with gold max mp though so you basically never run out of mp as it is. dont even need mp collector
Ever since your bunny build update, I went and swapped my battle mod to power increase on several descendants and it appears to be best in slot dmg wise unless you really need that 6% cooldown from focus on ___. Valby dot hitting way harder now
I am so glad you made this ! me and my friends were debating and testing hard and I was defending ur name COACH Moxsy cant be wrong , but yea best way to put it , is its all preference! long live coach Moxsy . Thanks for the video bro!
Loving all these guides Moxsy but just thought I'd let you know that you can crank up your 1 skill to hit for around 300k and your tick damage to the 110k range quite easily by dropping Focus on Tech, keeping Toxic Master and both Toxic & Tech Amplification Modules but adding in Skill Simplification too. The penalty on Max MP isn't really noticeable and I've chucked on MP Collector again as there was a free slot for it. I know you're always trying to squeeze as much power out of your builds as possible and I've found this to be the best/most fun so far. Thanks for all the testing you've done mate, saved me and everyone else an absolute headache. 😅
The difference in damage increase between skill simplification and power increase is so small that it's neglectable, and that makes skill simplification a bad choice considering the mp penalty, during boss fights you gonna need that extra 25% mp because of the lack of enemies.
@wessamkh5142 So I tested it and found that it increases the initial bullet impact from 297k to 304k but drops the tick damage a little from 110k to 108k. Completely negligible really. With the penalty to MP from Skill Simplification and the added bonus of additional cooldown from using Focus on Tech, I can agree that you're absolutely correct mate. 😅
i wish they update her 2nd ability. make so 2nd ability has a shot duration but what it does is after the duration ends it converts 50% of all the damage u took into HP and heal u that will make so soo good
For the last video you upload i was wrong and i one of the who said contagion better for 400% but i play with venom synth i understand why you said venom synth is better for 400% and now i AGREED with you your just best keep it up all your building best and good explaining Thanks i apologize 👍🏻💯💯
if the sprint in non contagion allowed you to run through things i could see it being an outright win, but otherwise i think its closer than a min difference. since you aren't required to run on the ground to get extra psn footsteps and can grapple past all of it, to possibly equal out some of the run speed difference. also it seems more mana intensive to spam all skills vs contagion. so perhaps if you are comfortable in relying more on gun damage for bosses and psn procs re spreading as boss minions spawn. Most of these things seem to be easy to push through even without a real flushed out build.
I mainly Use **Contagion** on Group runs because its So Fun To watch Whole Room popping Like green popcorn and my Frame Drops 😅 But yes For solo run is not good at all...recommend use venom!
Great work Moxsy , it take me ages to deck a build so whatever mod u do to it i have plenty of time to use the update version its all good is also like how u want to play .
So for solo runs I can kind of see how Venom Synthesis could be faster. From my own experience that lines up. Now for groups, I've noticed that runs I've done with Ven Synth Freynas have been significantly slower. Could be a lot of reasons for that, (one being that the dots matter a lot less when even the bosses melt) but I just wanted to point that out.
The speed is better, if you have a bunny on your team or another freyna running speed boost and your not. Your going to be smoked if your trying to kill everything b/4 other players can. But run freyn speed boost with a hand gun like final masterpiece she is out running BUNNY!!!!!!
@@kutdownongaming1935Yeah I know the move speed is faster. I run Ven Synth on my solo runs. My group clears have been significantly slower though when I get Ven Synth Freynas in my runs. They've been clearing mob rooms at a snail's pace, so the halls in between don't really make up for it. Maybe I'm getting players with incomplete or bad builds? I don't know.
@@7sevyne7If you're running contagion and want to be speedy? Just spam the roll and grapple buttons. That's what I do. And don't worry about the bosses if you've got a great gun like Enduring Legacy or Afterglow/Piercing and Secret Garden
i wanna add that with venom synth you run faster, not as fast as rolling but it's still faster so you get to a new group faster. the more multipliers you have will always increase damage even if the number is lower. i learned that from PoE.
I prefer Contagion and using Long Range Grapple for movement, since LRG is just as fast (if not faster) at traversing levels than characters who sprint with increased movement speed buffs like Bunny.
Love these builds and changes to these descendants. Might not be as fast as bunny but not that much less efficient either. I hope Jayber gets this treatment soon, pet classes are my favorite architype but he's kind of ass xd
if you have slayer set and ambush (+spear and shield), toxic master will be slightly better than power increase. Could be the difference of 0 cycling certain bosses even with a bad reactor. (dont forget weapon mods though, those also increase bossing damage.)
Ran all of the mods. They all work well enough. She deletes stuff crazy fast. I think it is down to preference. Do you want to hurl more pools of poison about or rely on a smaller attack set that stacks way more debuffs. The end result is pretty much the same. Things go poof in a puff of green mist.
I prefer multitalented on my 400% freyna to get the 20% cd on the 4th skill so i can nuke bosses faster by having only 12secs cd instead of 30secs. With power increase u loose the 8% cd from the Focus mod so multitalented really helps me out. Multitalented also gives u the last percentages to max out your range on Tech skills
The buff from multitalented when using a dimension skill is a 20% cooldown buff for a 5 second duration, I just tested and the 4th will never be effected by multitalented unless you purposely end it early to get the cooldown to trigger on the 4th before multitalenteds 5s runs out, and since it takes the animation for the 2nd and the 4th plus a roll cancel into account you can legit only fire 2/3 bullets before the 5 seconds ends, your wasting a slot boiz unless you need the extra range on tech, but i doubt you do. It's annoying because I already have a 19 second cooldown and this would of been amazing but alas, no luck. :(
@@harley202 No lol If you use your 2 be4 4 ends you get the CD reduction and then you only have like a 10-11sec CD on your 4 And you are only "wasting" like 5 bullets max but who cares If you Go into your Ult again 10 seconds later
For colossus fights if your reactor has gold attack on colossus toxic specialist does more damage than power increase for her 4. Tested myself and if your using slayer set toxic specialist numbers are even higher. Try it . The only time power increase was better for her 4 (against colossus) was when I used no slayer set with toxic and tech substat reactor and it's 429k to 425
I like to run multi talented to get a much faster cooldown on the 4th ability for the bosses. You could drop one of the skill power modifier mods for it.
Just a small thing , tech master is skill power and tech power modifier. Not tech, tech thars why it was closest. Doesnt change your test but thought id mention it
Using my Enduring Legacy and Slayer set I do more skilldamage (over 75k per tick) AND gundamage and kill bosses faster. I use only a reactor with blue range and toxin damage. I love Contagion since it clears the whole room (if it is not that big) with one cast until all are dead, with the exception of the elites, which I have to gun down.
Your Lepic build I tried to mimic but I don't have 3 of the mods you use. I CAN NOT find them and don't know how to locate where they drop but I'm still trying. My Freyna is almost there too. 2 mods left to upgrade. 😎👍🍻
What a noob, took 5 minutes to find that life blob.... jokes aside, thanks for the theory crafting and builds Mr. Moxsy, i play the game with friends and whenever we have trouble building a new char, we come to your channel
Honestly extra movement speed is what makes me go for Venom Synth instead of Contagion. Sure contagion has satysfying explosions and probably spreads stacks more, but being speedy while having whole room die around you is way too much fun for me to pass on. If Nexon reworks defense missions, contagion probably will be amazing to run. And like You said- at the end of the day Freyna just obliterates everything in sight so it's just preference pick
The speed tech you can do with long range or even default grapple is actually just as fast (and even faster in some dungeons) than any character sprinting with movement speed increase buffs such as Freyna with Venom Synth, Viessas 2nd skill, Bunny etc. So there's really no point in sacrificing Freyna's spread and large puddle from her 3rd just for sprinting when you can clear just as fast or faster without it by simply using grapple tech. Most ppl don't realize this because they only use Mid Air Maneuvering
@@TheCnicus yeah, ive been using viessa coolblood that dont have speed buff for 2 months, and when i change to sub zero since ppl said it faster for mobbing it just worst, lower dps and same speed, so unless u have 50% speed buff like bunny all 30% just feel the same with good maneuvering + dodge roll
@@TheCnicus Yeah i agree with you on pretty much everything you said, but with whole freyna rework presonally i found synth as a good balance between fodder clear and boss kill. I still swap out to Contagion if i do something more stationary tho
@@TheCnicus so wrong. grapple in this game is affected by momentum on how fast you are moving. having the 30 percent move speed makes you way faster when you combine it with grapples. the spread is not needed in 400 percent dungeons because there are so many mobs that having the extra spread from contagion is just useless. on the other hand, having the extra damage from not using contagion is extremely valuable in 400 percent dungeons. i don't think you understand the damage loss from not having the extra dot damage on all 4 skills.
@@YurJaeHuyk idk how you guys are getting this but with venom synth you can actually pass bunny extremely easily. reason being you do not have to be near the mobs like bunny and just have to let your poison kill everything while you move on to the next area. comparing viessa to freyna is just wrong. first of all, not only do you gain speed with venom synth, you also gain damage while for viessa it's the opposite.
Freyna's 3 only costs 3 mana more than her 1 and has 2x the duration. Thow her three at choke point and shoot any commanders that get through. Freyna without any trancendant mod has always been amazing for hordes.
Moxsy, you're the best TFD creator hands down. don't bother with people and their 'opinions' in this game, everyone and their mom thinks they have a 'best or better' build and no one cares. Like you said, it's a game, and it allows us to play in so many ways that are best for us.
Returning player, is 25k Defense no longer the target for DR/Survivability? Looks like you just stack HP with Increased HP and HP Amplification in your 400% build. Thanks for the Ult Freyna guide!
I want to apologize for being that Ajax who rezed someone in the DS fight last night when you were on Yujin. I don’t play him, not massively familiar with his kit.
I honestly think if your running a squad on 400% freyna, bunny and hailey are perfect (4th slot us preference). Then you can clear tons of mobs with freyna, bunny can handle bosses immortal phases where theres orbs above then hailey to rail the boss. Quick and ez
Seems to me that Bunny is still faster at clearing than Freyna. I haven't seen a single Freyna keep up the pace with my bunny 400% build. I end up miles ahead and clearing every room before they catch up. This isn't a brag, I just want people to know that Freyna did not in fact take over the mobbing meta, though I guess she gets points for taking a little less effort. However a Freyna and Bunny combined seems pretty extra deadly for mobbing so it's still a good combo. Definitely need someone else for the bosses though.
@@LickyPocket that's funny, because when i go on my freyna, i'm miles ahead of bunnies. you seem to not understand that majority of pugs are either new players with not fully built chars or they are just bad. the only way bunny is faster on 400 percent dungeons are for the higher end order of truth dungeons where bunny has massive advantage because of the elemental weakeness and can jus 1 shot all the mobs. i have ran with fully built bunnies and only on those order of truth dungeons can they get a little ahead and it is just by a little. i still keep up fairly easily. on other ones, it's no contest.
imo both mods are the same as they inflicts room 0 trauma, one by running and one by killing. It would've been interesting if you compared Contagion (mobbing) vs Venom Injection (single target) since you don't need to use Contagion to do the chain reaction of killing hordes of mobs. Contagion imo is just the cherry on top. Also, the Power Increase mod is decent depending on your build as for my mobbing build it does a 7% increase (which Moxsy got a 17%) but on my bossing builds does a 1% more dmg on 1 and a whopping 0.8% more on the 2nd build over the the Focus on Toxic. If I use Toxic Specialist it's slightly better than Power Increase (bossing builds). I'm guessing that the more power you have the less you get from PI. [ 1st bossing build ] (4th ability) with Focus on Toxic 487k / 181k dot. Power Increase 491k / 186k dot. Toxic Specialist 494k / 194k dot [ 2nd bossing build ] (4th ability) with Focus on Toxic does 490k / 195k dot. Power Increase does 495k / 200k dot. Toxic Specialist 497k / 198k dot. **Numbers are from tests on the Lab** Before anyone say I'm lying you're free to try my [ 1st bossing build ]. Venom Injection, Ambush, Toxic & Tech Amp, Focus on Toxic & Tech, Venom Syncytium and Spear and Shield, 2 HP and Nimble Fingers. Toxic/Tech Reactor with useless substats and Slayer Set.
as u say. people should just use, what they like more. regarding to contagion vs synthesis, i think its not a good thing to compare like you did here. the real difference is noticable when you perma spamm dodgeroll on contaigion. that way the movement is as fast as synthesis. the commander fight was very different. more knock downs and hp search on contaigon. what would be cool if we could see a run where the bossfight is almost the same and you perma spam dodgroll while using contagion. for the contagion setup you could safe alot of time.
i tried it, you can tell it's more damage, but i can definitely feel the easy of spread just isn't there. i'm gonna keep messing with it for a while more and see how it feels.
It's easier to kill elite and boss mobs without a transcendent mod on than it is with the contagion mod on. Overall I use contagion, but if I want max power on bosses it comes off 100%
What is the radius of toxic stimulation. It'd be interesting to have the teammates spreading the toxic for you. I was curious about trying to make a build with this concept in mind
I'm looking for builds that DO NOT require Contagion, because not everybody has that Trans Mod at the moment. Some of us are having problems getting these Trans Mods that are locked behind Hard Mode Bosses. Playing with random players who don't seem to know what they are doing is a pain. My Ult Bunny, and Ult Lepic are useless because of this reason. My Ult Valby seems to be the only Ult that doesn't need a particular trans mod for her to be effective.
In group contagion all the way. The only advantage of the venom is the speed of movement, because this game(especially coop) is designed to run as fast as you can. Same with power, who cares trash dying from 70k or 80k, cooldown always better.
Make sure your gun is level 100, and make sure you have “rifle reinforcement” and “action & reaction”. And make sure you are running all tbe crit damage modules.
@@LCInfantry I was using the mods that he showed in his freyna build video. Compared to the damage his gun is doing in the video I don’t understand what the difference is.
I just feel like contagion is more chill run just my opinion gonna be doing a lot of it so i just go for that kinda fire and forget braun dead runs in my opinion but yeah
A bit offtopic, but: Freyna got buffed so damn hard and a handful of other Descendants always had their specific advances in some scenarios. But what about the other Descendants that are not doing so hot? Even my Viessa completely stinks in comparison to Hailey (Bosses) for example or Freyna/Bunny (Crowd). Kinda sad
Any chance in the near future there will be an updated Ult Lepic Build? Crafting him right now and I wanted to see what builds were good on him. All the builds on here are 1-2 months old so Im unsure if they're outdated.
Honestly I don't see the point in contagion, it looks identical, it doesn't increase the puddle range at all so it the same number of infected with and without
![Fix your Freyna Build [Optimized] - The First Descendant](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4FfKQ3SZ3xs/mqdefault.jpg)
Did you know you can reset the 400 percent dungeon bosses? You can kill them more than once in a single run and you get the ETA vouchers for each kill. When you kill 1 of the 2 bosses, you let the other one kill you, then you respawn in front of the bodd room and both of them spawn again. You can repeat this and kill 1 of the bosses until you reach the death count limit and get rewards fo each kill. Might not be worth on shorter runs but on longer runs where you just want to stock up on vouchers its worth it.
crazy tip, thanks!!
You might be a legend
Legend!
Thanks for the tip
and you can get 120 using bug in the game😁
At the end of the day both mods are great and freyna will delete the content whichever mod you are using. I thought this would be a fun test but at the end of the day whichever feels better to you is the mod you should run. Enjoy!
Hoping my tag on Reddit didn’t make you think you had to make a video 😅
The weapon also plays apart of the speed!! If you run that speed boost with EL lmg she moves lil slow, with a AR & smg same. If you want the best speed boost run that build with the leveled up final masterpiece. She will out run BUNNY!!!!
@@Hozasarunah laserbolt made a freyna build video and he said this is the best build for 400% dungeon and said DONT listen to anyone else who is telling you contagion isn’t the best. He was like you lose a fraction of damage but venom isn’t the best. But mossy clearly said in his video, using it for the SPEED
Laserbolt may be right but the venom synthesis with a handgun like the final masterpiece FREYNA will out run BUNNY. I KNOW B/c that what I use and I have out ran bunny
Such a wholesome and great video! That's pretty much it, though... Contagion is amazing for room clearing with all the Room 0 spreading, whilst Synthesis can stack the different procs onto another whilst still clearing rooms at a pretty rapid pace!
Just a note for anyone else following this guide you may instead want to catalyze the Toxic Amp as an M slot as that one Moxsy changed is already an R and you can save one catalyst.
One thing to note as well: power increase and dangerous ambush use the same multiplier. That means that for bosses, if you use power increase you will do more damage before you down the boss, but less than with an extra toxic modifier when the boss is down. Depending on the time the boss spends being down or not, power or toxic could be better.
Yeah, it's also worth noting that power increase will in turn cause staggers on bosses slightly faster, making you proc ambush potentially a few shots earlier than without.
I too noticed after following your guide that no contagion was a bit lack luster. After seeing a demonstration, I can see the difference is the need to keep other abilities up as well. A bit of a hard pick for me as contagion is quite the sight and power fantasy but no contagion has more button presses and timings making it more engaging. Thank you for the video and I hope other peoples feedback wasn't too harsh
For me it comes down to the movement speed buff. I prefer that over how much damage and speed clearing. Its how I found your video. I tried contagion and remembered that Freyna had something like Viessa's frost roads so googled Freyna movement speed transcendant mod and found your video. It will be interesting to watch these runs but either way I want the movement buff.
And yes you need to use more skills but I like that as well. Contagion felt a little boring since you press 1 and done. It almost seemed like Freyna could not keep up with her own devastation from skill 1.
thanks for the update. Watching you play, I say the contagion is for me when I want to layback and chill. Which is 90% of the time I'm playing this game.
Me too! Less running around and more of a lazy build…. Which is my cup of tea 😂
Hey man thank you for all the great TFD help, tips and content. It's made my experience even better with the game. I thought I was alright with modding, but with little adjustments that I have taken from your builds it's gotten me further than I ever thought I would.
Definitely following this guide for my ult Freyna ! Still farming for her materials
I like runing Contagion personally cause if i need it, it makes the 2 give you 50% armour which can be nice in a tight spot especially if you have worse luck with components
I found out about power increase after your bunny guide, thankfully I tried it out before catalyzing! Either whey the info was from you so thanks for putting out the content brother!
Use whatever you want. I'll never stop using Contagion.
I just got Contagion drop last night 🎉
Me too.
As I expected on the Xbox Series X with performance mode, the 400% dungeons, while being Bunny and having Freyna there, the graphics are deteriorating with the frame rate as well, quite significantly.
Great demonstration on the Focus Toxic vs. Power Increase mods - the damage increase seems worth losing a little bit of cooldown.
I tested both red mods too and I would say: venom synth may be better because you don't need so much range with it. So one can replace one range mod (r mod) with something else.
Thanks for playing this out in a video - its been a hot topic among my play group :D
For solo bossing, Maximize Skill and Power is wild, worth a try imo
honestly, i love using venom synth for everything. it works well. i have a processor with gold max mp though so you basically never run out of mp as it is. dont even need mp collector
Ever since your bunny build update, I went and swapped my battle mod to power increase on several descendants and it appears to be best in slot dmg wise unless you really need that 6% cooldown from focus on ___. Valby dot hitting way harder now
I am so glad you made this ! me and my friends were debating and testing hard and I was defending ur name COACH Moxsy cant be wrong , but yea best way to put it , is its all preference! long live coach Moxsy . Thanks for the video bro!
Loving all these guides Moxsy but just thought I'd let you know that you can crank up your 1 skill to hit for around 300k and your tick damage to the 110k range quite easily by dropping Focus on Tech, keeping Toxic Master and both Toxic & Tech Amplification Modules but adding in Skill Simplification too.
The penalty on Max MP isn't really noticeable and I've chucked on MP Collector again as there was a free slot for it.
I know you're always trying to squeeze as much power out of your builds as possible and I've found this to be the best/most fun so far.
Thanks for all the testing you've done mate, saved me and everyone else an absolute headache. 😅
The difference in damage increase between skill simplification and power increase is so small that it's neglectable, and that makes skill simplification a bad choice considering the mp penalty, during boss fights you gonna need that extra 25% mp because of the lack of enemies.
@wessamkh5142 So I tested it and found that it increases the initial bullet impact from 297k to 304k but drops the tick damage a little from 110k to 108k.
Completely negligible really.
With the penalty to MP from Skill Simplification and the added bonus of additional cooldown from using Focus on Tech, I can agree that you're absolutely correct mate. 😅
DONT SEND THIS MAN HATE! i love you moxy thanks for your videos , my cataylst are crying i just updated the bunny and gley builds and i love them
i wish they update her 2nd ability. make so 2nd ability has a shot duration but what it does is after the duration ends it converts 50% of all the damage u took into HP and heal u that will make so soo good
It‘s kind of funny to see that your Freyna looks exactly like mine, even the hair color is the same green. Bought her ultimate skin just for the head
Ult freyna thighs is great but that sexy back of the base version is immaculate.
I wish we can paint base ult appearance
Do you need to pay to get the ult skin? (The fishnet + visible face skin)
@@dawned9947yes, and if you have ult freyna researched then the cost gets cheaper
@@dawned9947 yes, but it’s cheaper if you already have Ultimate Freyna
@@dawned9947yes
Thank you! You have a gift Moxsy.
Excellent Build!
I switched out maximize range with amplification control its a little shorter in range but its not much difference when your spreading
Thanks you for testing and the update personally im gonna run no trans mods on non bossing builds
For the last video you upload i was wrong and i one of the who said contagion better for 400% but i play with venom synth i understand why you said venom synth is better for 400% and now i AGREED with you your just best keep it up all your building best and good explaining Thanks i apologize 👍🏻💯💯
if the sprint in non contagion allowed you to run through things i could see it being an outright win, but otherwise i think its closer than a min difference. since you aren't required to run on the ground to get extra psn footsteps and can grapple past all of it, to possibly equal out some of the run speed difference. also it seems more mana intensive to spam all skills vs contagion. so perhaps if you are comfortable in relying more on gun damage for bosses and psn procs re spreading as boss minions spawn. Most of these things seem to be easy to push through even without a real flushed out build.
I mainly Use **Contagion** on Group runs because its So Fun To watch Whole Room popping Like green popcorn and my Frame Drops 😅
But yes For solo run is not good at all...recommend use venom!
Everytime the frame drops im always thinking that it would be funny if some guy out of nowhere leaves the match because his game crash lol
@@al3x298That happens every match. Usually a Playstation player, I don’t know why. Sony using those cheap parts in the console or something.
@@ImEcchi lol
@@ImEcchiI’m on PS5, never had that happen to me. Maybe it’s the PS4 players lol 💀
@@al3x298 My game was crashing a lot on pc in 400% dungeons with or without freyna or really much going on
Thank you brotha!
Great work Moxsy , it take me ages to deck a build so whatever mod u do to it i have plenty of time to use the update version its all good is also like how u want to play .
Thanks for the update, losing focus on toxic thought gets the ultimate a plus 7-8 or more seconds even with a cooldown roll reactor.
MINE WENT FROM 25 SECONDS TO 27.7 WITH PURPLE COOLDOWN
@@sticksvideochannel3701 I go straight from 21.7 seconds to 28 seconds with the same reactor...
So for solo runs I can kind of see how Venom Synthesis could be faster. From my own experience that lines up. Now for groups, I've noticed that runs I've done with Ven Synth Freynas have been significantly slower. Could be a lot of reasons for that, (one being that the dots matter a lot less when even the bosses melt) but I just wanted to point that out.
The speed is better, if you have a bunny on your team or another freyna running speed boost and your not. Your going to be smoked if your trying to kill everything b/4 other players can. But run freyn speed boost with a hand gun like final masterpiece she is out running BUNNY!!!!!!
@@kutdownongaming1935Yeah I know the move speed is faster. I run Ven Synth on my solo runs. My group clears have been significantly slower though when I get Ven Synth Freynas in my runs. They've been clearing mob rooms at a snail's pace, so the halls in between don't really make up for it. Maybe I'm getting players with incomplete or bad builds? I don't know.
@@7sevyne7If you're running contagion and want to be speedy? Just spam the roll and grapple buttons. That's what I do. And don't worry about the bosses if you've got a great gun like Enduring Legacy or Afterglow/Piercing and Secret Garden
It depends a lot on who you get matched with. I have many games where there's nobody with good damage on the boss and it takes a fair bit of time
@@meneldalExactly same experience.
Just on time, freyna should be finished cooking. Will try this build
i wanna add that with venom synth you run faster, not as fast as rolling but it's still faster so you get to a new group faster.
the more multipliers you have will always increase damage even if the number is lower. i learned that from PoE.
Best thiyto take from the video is when he said to him he likes it and you can use whatever you want
Personally tested 400% with and without contagion, without contagion is better, 100%
I love VenSyn myself. Thanks for the video.
I prefer Contagion and using Long Range Grapple for movement, since LRG is just as fast (if not faster) at traversing levels than characters who sprint with increased movement speed buffs like Bunny.
This is exactly what I run.
rolling is faster
Love these builds and changes to these descendants. Might not be as fast as bunny but not that much less efficient either. I hope Jayber gets this treatment soon, pet classes are my favorite architype but he's kind of ass xd
What inversion reinforcement perks would you recommend for frayna? No one has ever done a helpful video on this
if you have slayer set and ambush (+spear and shield), toxic master will be slightly better than power increase. Could be the difference of 0 cycling certain bosses even with a bad reactor. (dont forget weapon mods though, those also increase bossing damage.)
Ran all of the mods. They all work well enough. She deletes stuff crazy fast. I think it is down to preference. Do you want to hurl more pools of poison about or rely on a smaller attack set that stacks way more debuffs. The end result is pretty much the same. Things go poof in a puff of green mist.
I think Venom injection should get an honorable mention. It turns toxic armor into a damage increase and sheild regen
That's his bossing build he already made a video over.
I'm using it for my mobbing sense. i dont like any abilities that require being stuck proc a effect
Been wanting to make a build using that for mobbing. Gotta finish catating a lot though before I can give it a go, but for sure been on my mind.
I prefer multitalented on my 400% freyna to get the 20% cd on the 4th skill so i can nuke bosses faster by having only 12secs cd instead of 30secs.
With power increase u loose the 8% cd from the Focus mod so multitalented really helps me out.
Multitalented also gives u the last percentages to max out your range on Tech skills
Yep my Build too
The buff from multitalented when using a dimension skill is a 20% cooldown buff for a 5 second duration, I just tested and the 4th will never be effected by multitalented unless you purposely end it early to get the cooldown to trigger on the 4th before multitalenteds 5s runs out, and since it takes the animation for the 2nd and the 4th plus a roll cancel into account you can legit only fire 2/3 bullets before the 5 seconds ends, your wasting a slot boiz unless you need the extra range on tech, but i doubt you do.
It's annoying because I already have a 19 second cooldown and this would of been amazing but alas, no luck. :(
@@harley202 No lol
If you use your 2 be4 4 ends you get the CD reduction and then you only have like a 10-11sec CD on your 4
And you are only "wasting" like 5 bullets max but who cares If you Go into your Ult again 10 seconds later
If you want maximum speed for 400% dungeons go Bunny. She can clear in ~4min 30sec dungeon in video.
For colossus fights if your reactor has gold attack on colossus toxic specialist does more damage than power increase for her 4. Tested myself and if your using slayer set toxic specialist numbers are even higher. Try it . The only time power increase was better for her 4 (against colossus) was when I used no slayer set with toxic and tech substat reactor and it's 429k to 425
I like to run multi talented to get a much faster cooldown on the 4th ability for the bosses. You could drop one of the skill power modifier mods for it.
Just a small thing , tech master is skill power and tech power modifier. Not tech, tech thars why it was closest. Doesnt change your test but thought id mention it
Bro it drives me insane to see you not dismantle all the loot on the ground. You know how much stuff costs especially with the new reactor modding
I don't use contagion or venom synth as I don't like the change the skill 3. Works great for me.
If I not use contagion I prefer play Valby for 400% mobbing with hydrobomb
I like throwing another puddle over the footsteps more without contagion so I've ran thr plague armor too
Using my Enduring Legacy and Slayer set I do more skilldamage (over 75k per tick) AND gundamage and kill bosses faster. I use only a reactor with blue range and toxin damage.
I love Contagion since it clears the whole room (if it is not that big) with one cast until all are dead, with the exception of the elites, which I have to gun down.
Nice
Your Lepic build I tried to mimic but I don't have 3 of the mods you use. I CAN NOT find them and don't know how to locate where they drop but I'm still trying. My Freyna is almost there too. 2 mods left to upgrade. 😎👍🍻
What a noob, took 5 minutes to find that life blob.... jokes aside, thanks for the theory crafting and builds Mr. Moxsy, i play the game with friends and whenever we have trouble building a new char, we come to your channel
You can proc her poison armor dot by meleeing as well I'm ps.
Honestly extra movement speed is what makes me go for Venom Synth instead of Contagion. Sure contagion has satysfying explosions and probably spreads stacks more, but being speedy while having whole room die around you is way too much fun for me to pass on. If Nexon reworks defense missions, contagion probably will be amazing to run. And like You said- at the end of the day Freyna just obliterates everything in sight so it's just preference pick
The speed tech you can do with long range or even default grapple is actually just as fast (and even faster in some dungeons) than any character sprinting with movement speed increase buffs such as Freyna with Venom Synth, Viessas 2nd skill, Bunny etc. So there's really no point in sacrificing Freyna's spread and large puddle from her 3rd just for sprinting when you can clear just as fast or faster without it by simply using grapple tech. Most ppl don't realize this because they only use Mid Air Maneuvering
@@TheCnicus yeah, ive been using viessa coolblood that dont have speed buff for 2 months, and when i change to sub zero since ppl said it faster for mobbing it just worst, lower dps and same speed, so unless u have 50% speed buff like bunny all 30% just feel the same with good maneuvering + dodge roll
@@TheCnicus Yeah i agree with you on pretty much everything you said, but with whole freyna rework presonally i found synth as a good balance between fodder clear and boss kill. I still swap out to Contagion if i do something more stationary tho
@@TheCnicus so wrong. grapple in this game is affected by momentum on how fast you are moving. having the 30 percent move speed makes you way faster when you combine it with grapples. the spread is not needed in 400 percent dungeons because there are so many mobs that having the extra spread from contagion is just useless. on the other hand, having the extra damage from not using contagion is extremely valuable in 400 percent dungeons. i don't think you understand the damage loss from not having the extra dot damage on all 4 skills.
@@YurJaeHuyk idk how you guys are getting this but with venom synth you can actually pass bunny extremely easily. reason being you do not have to be near the mobs like bunny and just have to let your poison kill everything while you move on to the next area. comparing viessa to freyna is just wrong. first of all, not only do you gain speed with venom synth, you also gain damage while for viessa it's the opposite.
Freyna's 3 only costs 3 mana more than her 1 and has 2x the duration. Thow her three at choke point and shoot any commanders that get through. Freyna without any trancendant mod has always been amazing for hordes.
I wish Venom Synth would change our 2 not our 3. That would be amazing. 🤩
I wanted that also at first but getting used to it on 3 now. Viessa's frost roads is on 2 right? Probably why I thought it would be 2 for freyna.
Moxsy, you're the best TFD creator hands down. don't bother with people and their 'opinions' in this game, everyone and their mom thinks they have a 'best or better' build and no one cares. Like you said, it's a game, and it allows us to play in so many ways that are best for us.
Returning player, is 25k Defense no longer the target for DR/Survivability? Looks like you just stack HP with Increased HP and HP Amplification in your 400% build. Thanks for the Ult Freyna guide!
I want to apologize for being that Ajax who rezed someone in the DS fight last night when you were on Yujin. I don’t play him, not massively familiar with his kit.
haha all good!
I'll take the lesser damage with contagions spread. It lights up the whole screen compared to non contagion
I honestly think if your running a squad on 400% freyna, bunny and hailey are perfect (4th slot us preference). Then you can clear tons of mobs with freyna, bunny can handle bosses immortal phases where theres orbs above then hailey to rail the boss. Quick and ez
Seems to me that Bunny is still faster at clearing than Freyna. I haven't seen a single Freyna keep up the pace with my bunny 400% build. I end up miles ahead and clearing every room before they catch up. This isn't a brag, I just want people to know that Freyna did not in fact take over the mobbing meta, though I guess she gets points for taking a little less effort. However a Freyna and Bunny combined seems pretty extra deadly for mobbing so it's still a good combo.
Definitely need someone else for the bosses though.
@@LickyPocket Freyna and Bunny are a perfect match. Freyna’s DoTs soften up the enemy for Bunny, while Bunny helps the DoTs spread faster.
@@LickyPocket that's funny, because when i go on my freyna, i'm miles ahead of bunnies. you seem to not understand that majority of pugs are either new players with not fully built chars or they are just bad. the only way bunny is faster on 400 percent dungeons are for the higher end order of truth dungeons where bunny has massive advantage because of the elemental weakeness and can jus 1 shot all the mobs. i have ran with fully built bunnies and only on those order of truth dungeons can they get a little ahead and it is just by a little. i still keep up fairly easily. on other ones, it's no contest.
Need a Valby in there so we can play.
I thought I was the only one with that Audio issue when using freyna lol
imo both mods are the same as they inflicts room 0 trauma, one by running and one by killing. It would've been interesting if you compared Contagion (mobbing) vs Venom Injection (single target) since you don't need to use Contagion to do the chain reaction of killing hordes of mobs. Contagion imo is just the cherry on top.
Also, the Power Increase mod is decent depending on your build as for my mobbing build it does a 7% increase (which Moxsy got a 17%) but on my bossing builds does a 1% more dmg on 1 and a whopping 0.8% more on the 2nd build over the the Focus on Toxic. If I use Toxic Specialist it's slightly better than Power Increase (bossing builds). I'm guessing that the more power you have the less you get from PI.
[ 1st bossing build ] (4th ability) with Focus on Toxic 487k / 181k dot. Power Increase 491k / 186k dot. Toxic Specialist 494k / 194k dot
[ 2nd bossing build ] (4th ability) with Focus on Toxic does 490k / 195k dot. Power Increase does 495k / 200k dot. Toxic Specialist 497k / 198k dot.
**Numbers are from tests on the Lab**
Before anyone say I'm lying you're free to try my [ 1st bossing build ]. Venom Injection, Ambush, Toxic & Tech Amp, Focus on Toxic & Tech, Venom Syncytium and Spear and Shield, 2 HP and Nimble Fingers. Toxic/Tech Reactor with useless substats and Slayer Set.
Tell me what u used for the "augments" like the new thingy introduced to season 1, those passive buffs like HP def etc.
Man, dont listen to the bad feedback. You got good videos with great advice 👍
as u say. people should just use, what they like more. regarding to contagion vs synthesis, i think its not a good thing to compare like you did here.
the real difference is noticable when you perma spamm dodgeroll on contaigion. that way the movement is as fast as synthesis.
the commander fight was very different. more knock downs and hp search on contaigon.
what would be cool if we could see a run where the bossfight is almost the same and you perma spam dodgroll while using contagion.
for the contagion setup you could safe alot of time.
I still wouldn't use power increase over focus on toxic just because of the CD. Just like the CD for the 4 if I need it.
Never doubted you for a second! Don't mind the Trollz and man, does this game have a ton of them.
Funny I was literally looking at putting power increase in today to get more damage.
I got your exact same build and with focus on toxic I'm ticking for 90,755
The debate between Freyna's mods are a bit silly imo. My girl still can still nuke everything regardless Lol
Not as fast as Eseimo
She Nukes so Decent the F'n Game and Sound Lags!! Broad is A Beast!
i tried it, you can tell it's more damage, but i can definitely feel the easy of spread just isn't there. i'm gonna keep messing with it for a while more and see how it feels.
It's easier to kill elite and boss mobs without a transcendent mod on than it is with the contagion mod on. Overall I use contagion, but if I want max power on bosses it comes off 100%
The power of freynas 4 ability i wonder if she can beat frost walker
JUST UPGRADE BOTH! IT'S THE SAME BUILD! JUST SWAP THE MODS!
Yall minds be working....
How about an Ult Freyna deathstalker build!
Theyre all great. Doesnt matter what you pick, it all dies. If a minute bugs you, youve got other issues in life to worry about.
What is the radius of toxic stimulation. It'd be interesting to have the teammates spreading the toxic for you. I was curious about trying to make a build with this concept in mind
It’s what I use since I like the 3 as it is
@@Bigcountry4415 Same, I think I'll run a dungeon until I get a team with no Freyna, and record how often it procs
I'm looking for builds that DO NOT require Contagion, because not everybody has that Trans Mod at the moment. Some of us are having problems getting these Trans Mods that are locked behind Hard Mode Bosses. Playing with random players who don't seem to know what they are doing is a pain. My Ult Bunny, and Ult Lepic are useless because of this reason. My Ult Valby seems to be the only Ult that doesn't need a particular trans mod for her to be effective.
In group contagion all the way. The only advantage of the venom is the speed of movement, because this game(especially coop) is designed to run as fast as you can.
Same with power, who cares trash dying from 70k or 80k, cooldown always better.
I don’t understand when I do 400% my secret garden doesn’t do any damage. I’ve done magisters lab all day today and my sg is hitting for 13k crits.
Make sure your gun is level 100, and make sure you have “rifle reinforcement” and “action & reaction”. And make sure you are running all tbe crit damage modules.
@@LCInfantry I was using the mods that he showed in his freyna build video. Compared to the damage his gun is doing in the video I don’t understand what the difference is.
Got a Contagion Build, myself. And with a damaging reactor, it does 130k-150k of damage per tick.
I just feel like contagion is more chill run just my opinion gonna be doing a lot of it so i just go for that kinda fire and forget braun dead runs in my opinion but yeah
A bit offtopic, but: Freyna got buffed so damn hard and a handful of other Descendants always had their specific advances in some scenarios. But what about the other Descendants that are not doing so hot? Even my Viessa completely stinks in comparison to Hailey (Bosses) for example or Freyna/Bunny (Crowd). Kinda sad
Somehow mod forcing you to touch mobs for doing DMG better for Moxsy than one which don't forcing you to touch those mobs. LOL 😂
Any chance in the near future there will be an updated Ult Lepic Build? Crafting him right now and I wanted to see what builds were good on him. All the builds on here are 1-2 months old so Im unsure if they're outdated.
AFAIK the builds r still relevant, u still build into crit on lepic bossing builds
Will you do an updated viessa build if theres any changes?
I'm curious why the bosses die quicker when using venom synthesis? Same mods and everything? Does the Venom Synthi DOT just tick for more?
Can you do a guide for what reactor to get for all ult s
Honestly I don't see the point in contagion, it looks identical, it doesn't increase the puddle range at all so it the same number of infected with and without
I love how the game looks so broken even on your very expensive PC. I don't think a developer should take this path.
I still use both they r fun