Just a note on lithium ion batteries used in these cars: the lithium, manganese, cobalt, and nickel in them does not actually get used up. The simplest method of recycling a depleted battery is grinding it up and using the material to make more batteries. This is called black mass recycling, and is far more ecologically friendly than most forms of recycling, as it reduces the need to mine more rare minerals, which is a process that has a massive ecological impact.
its only simple to do, for YT wannabe experts, that pretend the world is not drowning in waste that producers greenwash by saying it will be recycled, when most is just dumped, since its cheaper.... including millions of lithium ion batteries in electronic already... and the greater use of lower value LFP's batteries is making recycling them, even a greater money loser and less likely to happen.... there are ways to make recycling profitable, such as by adding fees to them that get paid out, when its recycled... but most ppl want to believe in the "free recycling fair tale" from producers, who sell to YT wannabe experts...
There are several companies aiming to use hydrometallurgy to recover the metals as salts for reuse. One issue is simply the low numbers of EV batteries to recycle and the need for scale to make economic. Recycling of Li ion batteries (probably mostly from small electronics) is currently done using pyrometallurgy, the black mass is sold to smelters.
Two-tone color scheme with painted/contrasting cladding brought to you by 2005-2009 Subaru Outbacks. I'm here for it too. I'm a little surprised that they didn't talk about this vehicle's 800 volt charging system that will allow this vehicle to charge from 10-80% in 18 minutes. To have this capability in a mainstream brand's vehicles is kind of a big deal.
800v/900v w/ 350 kw DC FAST charging is NOT ANY Faster than EFFICIENT 400v 250 kw DC FAST charging. TESLA charges at 1000 mph and to 80% in 10 MINUTES. 800/900v is MARKETING , its BULLSHIT. and CAR & DRIVER proved it by FAST charging a PLAID from 10% to 90% in 38 minutes.
@@simonburkeisable They should be used to keep the cabin cool in the summer. Tesla has "overheat protection" to keep the electronics from melting, I'd pay a little extra for solar panels - free energy! 😀
I got a chuckle out of the dig at Hyundai for "reuse" of the Ioniq model name. I own a 2017 non-plugin Ioniq hybrid hatchback. It's not a boring car, gets 57 to 59 mpg (almost 600 miles of range on a 10 gallon tank of 87 octane unleaded) even with lots of air con use (I live in Central FL.) It's been very reliable. Somebody at Hyundai must really love the name Ioniq. Me, I can't wait to see the Ioniq 6 EV sedan, that may debut in 2022. Maybe.
The Ioniq name is going the Genesis route. It starts off as a Hyundai before branches off to be its own brand. The Hyundai brand will only have hybrid/plug-in hybrid vehicles in its lineup, and Ioniq will have only electric vehicles.
The Ioniq 5 is on the top of my list, BUT you have to deal with Hyundai dealerships! They should have setup a at-home/internet buying setup because you have to wade through a pig trough of slime to buy it.
Are Hyundai dealerships any worse than the rest? Don't all internet buying setups ultimately still land you in a conference with a F&I person before you get your car? I think Tesla is the only true internet car sales because they somehow aren't beholden to the automobile dealers association?
@@toronado455 yeah they're pretty bad. And not just because of the waiting around and the finance guy trying to upsell crap. It's a bad experience all around. I bought one anyways because the car was better and cheaper than the competitors, but a lot of that price difference is the dealership.
The internet companies seem to be just as slimy as too many traditional dealers. For example, Carvana is on the cusp of having their license in Florida suspended or revoked or suspended because of failure to deliver titles on a timely basis. Moreover, like Car Max, they will not allow pre-purchase inspection by independent mechanics.
@@toronado455 Agree that the Tesla buying experience if unique. I really liked it. Do some research and then go online and buy the car in a few minutes, with no one trying to sell you anything. Got financing through Tesla as well. Whole thing took about 15 minutes. Think about all the costs being added to your car purchase by dealerships, salesman, and others trying to get you add accessories or insurance after the purchase.
I keep hearing it looks like an upscaled VW Golf. It should be a no-brainer for visual media, like this video, to take the logical step in communicating this by parking a Golf next to an Ioniq 5. Isn't that the one of the cardinal rules of communication, show, don’t tell? Other than that good video. I like the name, and unlike in the case of the Ford Mustang Mach E (a ridiculous name) it isn’t like it is desecrating an iconic brand name, it is merely borrowing one from a another car, that is itself relatively new and obscure. This looks like the coolest and most user friendly mainstream electric vehicle yet.
No wiper on the back windshield is a show stopper for me. Backup cams are great, but it can be hard to see what's behind that massive C pillar, even with a cam back there. I live in Edmonton and most of our winter involves sloppy roads wet with snow and sand, and I'm constantly using my rear wiper / washer to keep the back window clear. I can't imagine how often I'd have to get out to hand wash the rear windshield if I owned this car.
Question for CR: with EVs with the potential for regenerative braking - aren't RWD platforms disadvantaged because they're not using the front axle for the primary braking force?
99% of all braking is done using the rear brakes. Only emergency braking is using front brakes. So ideally an AWD ev would be 1% more efficient in regen braking I guess
Yes, you can only supply a limited amount of braking to the rear wheels before they begin to lose traction, therefore the regenerative braking has to be limited. All wheel drive works best.
its an OK car , BETTER than BOLT, LEAF, MX-30, iD.4 and Muck-e, but its still NOT better than TESLA today or even in 2018. the IONIQ 5 is NOT EVEN Better than a 2018 Tesla model 3.
I am a long-time subscriber to Consumer Reports (started in the 1970s) and I have always valued the information provided. I was surprised and disappointed that an improper unit used in this video (at 1:03) referring to battery capacity in KW (a unit of power) and not KWh (a unit of energy). This seems like an unthinkable thing to happen for people I expected to be totally fluent in such matters. Perhaps, your talks need to be more scripted and proofread before delivery. If this was a misread from a script, then that is even worse as it means the reader did not understand what he was saying.
One complication of recycling will be if lower cost elements are used in the cathode, LFP as one example. Remove Ni and Co and recycling turns into waste management problem. It is the tradeoff in lowering use of those elements.
If Hyundai had Tesla's supercharger network, these would outsell everything all other EV's. I really hope the charging network expands greatly for all EV's.
Electrify America is only a few years behind the SC network. Add in the Rivian network. Plus opening of the SC network, true freedom is around the corner. I live in Oregon and was saddened to hear electrify America wasn’t even contacted regarding the expansion of our West Coast Electric highway - high speed chargers every 25-50 miles along major highway routes
I'm not one of the people. I love to do road trips, even when it is random. Being nomadic is in my blood. The electric chargers need to be place at all Wal-Marts and truck stop across the US.
I expect the supercharger network will open up fairly soon for all to use. Trials are already running in the Netherlands. It may take longer in North America as Tesla uses a proprietary connector her. If Tesla drags their heels on this I could see it potentially being legislated in the interest of the greater good for the greater number of people.
I hope you don't have any problems with the Hyundai. I have a 2019 Kona Electric with the battery that can catch fire. Hyunda's solution is to limit the battery to 80% charge, that's right, knock 20% off the claimed range. With no climate control, the range is 180 miles on the highway, (out of a rated 259). I haven't even tried this in the dead of winter when the heater knocks another 20-30% off the range. Hyundai claims that they have battery replacements but WILL NOT DELIVER IT! I've dealt with three Hyundai dealerships (Mirak, Bill Dube and Newport Hyundai) as well as Hyundai's CSS department and NONE of them have delivered a solutions to "Recall 200".
The only problem with electric cars is the price. They want people to move green, but most of us cannot afford a car in the 30k. We can only buy something around the 20k. May be in 5 years.
Question for CR: Hyundai & Kia chose to not give a rear window wiper with Ioniq 5 & EV6. How does it impact rear visibility driving on a rainy day? Also, are the side view/rearview mirror auto-dimming?
The maunal is available already. Looks like the rearview is auto-dimming with homelink on some models, but it of course doesn't list which ones because Canada and the US share the same manual and have different models and features. There is no mention of dimming side mirrors.
The spoiler on the roof has two large holes on it which lets air pass on the rear window to keep them clear of water. It basically the funnels the air.
@@Yubuzka3774 that air-flow theoretically happens at highway speeds - and I hear from other reviews it doesn't work then either; what about in traffic.... how do you keep the rear window clear? On the positive side, I think the lack of a rear wiper is the only significant complaint about this vehicle🙂
I love the look of this car but for me it's an issue that the pricing starts at the same price as the F-150 Lightning and the new EV truck from GM as well. I don't' see any reason to choose this over a full-size truck for the same money.
This new platform is amazing, and the car must be wonderful to drive. I hope that for more budget minded drivers, the Kona EV will remain available. I find it weird that such a powerful car with a long wheelbase is not rated to tow more than 2000 lbs. It should be able to tow 2800 with long range RWD, and 3500 with AWD, same problem with most Hyundai and Kia mid-sized SUV's.
It isn't worth towing with any EV right now. Until we get large battery packs and efficient trailer designs, ur better off with a hybrid or diesel vehicle for the next 5-10 years
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 it just depends on what you're towing. If it's a low trailer, it will not affect the drag so much. There's also the option to drive slower and preserve range.
Or you just want to pick up some decorative rock or borrow a friend's garden tractor with a utility trailer. Meh, in a pinch I would just tow the 3000lbs an not worry about it.
Walter - the iD.4 is TRASH , it Drives like a TAXI. both the EV6 and IONIQ 5 are doing a BETTER job , than BOLT, LEAF , MX-30, iD.4 and the Muck-e. however the IONIQ 5 is a Distant 2nd place from TESLA.
I have driven both and I wouldn't agree with you at all. (What the heck does a taxi drive like anyway?). The ID.4 is a very solid vehicle. id.4 has a better tow rating and even cones with a factory hitch standard. also own a Tesla Model Y and it's not superior in every way than either of these. In fact I am trading model y in and maybe buying one ioniq and one id.4. Just curious, what is your experience with the 3 mentioned vehicles?
Hyundai Ioniq 5 is great car for people who does not need Autonomous Driving, Netflix/TH-cam, Continuous upgrade during it's life cycle, and Super Charger network. Best non-Tesla EV car so far.
I think Steve's question wasn't asking how the consumers to get rid of those batteries. He was asking about the pollution caused by these lithium batteries. Even if you replaced some cells, where did the bad cell goes? And what percentage of those battery is recyclable?
I wonder if programming automotive UI with multi-touch in mind would alleviate some of the unnaturalness. If the UI can mimic turning a knob with 2 or more fingers in a twisting motion, as in the real world; I suspect that would feel more natural and stable than sticking a finger out and swiping a small defined area for a line/arc with the arm and shoulder extended on a long leverage. That way, you can aim for a larger area, your fingers can be more natural in a bent state and your weight can rest on multiple digits providing more stable head and upper body support.
Looks appealing but those characteristic excessively protruding Hyundai front seat headrests would be a deal killer. I understand there are government regulations on headrest designs nowadays but I can sit in a new Honda and the headrest isn’t immediately beating my head into submission.
Crossover style. Not an SUV. The automakers are indeed maximizing the benefits of the electric skateboard 🛹 platform. I think that the retro-chic 80s styling cues are retro cool 😎
I am still very hesitant on an any EV as I can’t trust the long term cost of the battery packs. This is the main thing that had kept me away form hybrid or or full EV.
Hyundai has the best to warranty 10yr/100,000 miles no once else comes close. Keep the battery between 20%-80% state of charger and you be fine for 10+ years. Lithium Ions generally likes 40-50% state of charge. Don’t charge it to 100% ever night (you don’t need that range anyways for daily driving) SK innovations supplies the battery packs to Hyundai. SK will also be supplying Ford for their f-150 Lightening. So far SK Innovation has a good track record making safe and reliable battery packs. Don’t let this hold you back. Now if this was a LG Chem battery pack I’d be slightly concerned. The Chevy Bolt are catching fire because LG Chem didn’t manufacture the battery correctly. Remember the Samsung Note 7’s catching fire. Samsungs suppliers manufactured bad battery packs. Lithium Ion batteries are safe when manufactured correctly.
@@wolfejar Exactly, I charge mine to 80% every night and still have tons of range. If we go on a trip, charge her to 100% and away we go! All this talk about "range anxiety" is nonsense unless you're out in the middle of nowhere. There are charge stations all over the place these days.
If you're in the USA, every hybrid and EV has an 8 year 100,000mi warranty on traction motor/battery components. EVs are simpler and when designed well will outlast the average ICE car. Just be sure whichever EV you choose has adequate active thermal management for the battery pack. Cheap EVs with aircooled batteries are not going to last as long or go as far.
Look at consumer reports data on reliability. The Toyota Prius has excellent reliability and battery packs that last the life of the car. As has been mentioned by many, battery warranties tend to be 8 years of longer with very high mileage limits. In a BEV limit SOC to 80% or less unless really needed for a long trip.
You've kind of got it backwards on 12V batteries: Lead-acid batteries are easy to recycle and there's a great system in place to do just that. You can turn your old 12V battery in for recycling no problem (in fact, you are required to). There isn't a recycling system for Lithium-Ion batteries yet. That needs to change.
3:14 still better than the musical chairs of names Lincoln went through recently, or the "trim levels" BMW and mercedes have. Yes Mercedes your EQS 450 definitely has a gas motor under the hood that displaces 4.5 liters. still love the car though.
I own a Tesla, I think the Ioniq 5 is a winner, and they will be able to sell all they can make. Strongly disagree with the notion that a Tesla is hard to operate or over complicated. Driver profiles and voice commands take care of a lot of the things that are commonly complained about. Within a week or 2 of ownership, all seems very straightforward and logical.
I agree. I test drove Model Y 2X and both times walked away unimpressed and confused on how to use the car. And I’m a tech guy! We rented one for a week and totally changed my mind. My family loved the Model Y after a week road trip. We have a reservation for both the Ioniq 5 ( dealership just called me yesterday should be here in Jan) and the Tesla Model Y (July Delivery). It’s a tough choice. I like Apple CarPlay and the quite smooth ride. The Model Y has a very stiff almost unpleasant hard ride when hitting bumps. Model Y will eventually get adjustable air ride suspension. But Ioniq 5 lacks the cargo space. Both have trade offs and I can’t seem to find the clear winner between the two.
@@wolfejar I have a Model 3 and it is a bit of a firm ride but that's the price of a "big battery EV" - stiff suspension. (at least for some vehicles) Was it a performance model that you drove? They have lower profile tires and (I think) an even firmer suspension. Oh and if you plan on putting adults in the rear seat of the Model Y you should try sitting back there before you buy one. I saw a video on a channel called The Tech of Tech and he noticed that his head would contact the rear cross brace in the ceiling BEFORE it contacted the headrest. I think the seats can recline a bit & I don't know if they were leaned back or not. Anyhoo, just something to watch out for. I really like the "power to load" feature that some EV's (including the Ioniq 5) have now. We lose power here once in a while and it would be awesome to be able to power the fridge for a day or more if needed.
@@robdc4829 I think Tesla will continue or do well. Their sales model is to order online. After some research, it took me about 10 minutes to buy the car, and another 10 to finance it. No one tried to upsell me anything I didn’t want. I have a Tesla dealer nearby so service is not a problem. Even if you don’t have a nearby service center, mobile service will often come to you.
Yes, they'll go into energy storage and once that is over, there are already several companies that recycle them and recover over 90% of the materials that go into new batteries to reduce mining.
Battery technology is moving pretty fast and battery prices are coming down. Also, a very heavy item and difficult to remove and transport on the street.
Makes you wonder why they won't just give us an electric GTI-sized hatchback vehicle with much lower weight, 300-mile range and descent performance for $30,000 or less... Maybe an Ioniq 3...?
Self steering (aka "Autopilot" in a Tesla) might seem like a gimmick but I LOVE it, especially on highways that are wider than 2 lanes and you want to cruise along in the middle.
FALSE, Tesla has the MOST Advanced AUTOPILOT FSD in the WORLD, and is able to be used ANYWHERE even on Dirt & Gravel roads . and on Highways it can pass SLOW Traffic, change lanes AUTOMATICALLY, and can even take RAMPS Automatically.
I wish the skateboard paradigm be replaced with the quick exchange system of families of compatible power packs with respect with geometry and size and electrical connectivity. Too many families that live in dense multi-family communities for which individual charging hookups are out of the question, or long distance business drivers will find short driving range and hours long charging times renders EV products not feasible, as well as range anxiety. The individual charging hookups could still be a viable option for short distance drivers who are fortunate enough to be permitted to have home charging setups. The quick exchange motif confers two compelling advantages: First a degree of financial protection from technological obsolescence as breakthrough improvements in power storage density comes forth. Second, the threat of neighborhood overload of power grids is largely alleviated as conversion of local fueling stations evolve into quick exchange power pack stores and regional distribution and recharging centers located adjacent to power generating and renewal energy plants. Also, tank wagons with their inherently empty back hauls are replaced with 18-wheelers, perhaps powered with LNG instead of diesel.
The battery is the most expensive part of an EV, and is the most prone to damage from miss-use. Also, we already can't make enough batteries to meet the demand from new EV's so having to build multiple batteries per car would be a problem. I for one would want no part of exchanging my battery for a random replacement of unknow origin. Also most battery packs today are liquid cooled so exchanging them would not be a simple process.
I own a 2012 Nissan LEAF that I purchased brand new. First, I don't recommend anyone buy an EV if they don't have a way to charge it at home unless they live close to a public charging station and can charge for free or at a low cost. The free charging station in downtown Ocala, FL will add about 20 miles of range per hour to my now antiquated Nissan. For long distance driving, you need an EV with a big battery and fast charging. Tesla with its supercharger network is still the leader for long road trips, at least here in FL where I live.
If batteries could be of small enough size and weight, I can imagine unplugging a small pack and bringing it inside the home to charge. Perhaps that will happen with solid state?
If there is a place to park a car then there eventually should be a solution to enable vehicle charging in most spaces. Chargers won't have to be connected to the same electric panel as where a person lives once data communication and metering is built into more chargers. Many decades ago many residences had 0 or 1 vehicles and over time money was spent and renovations were made to adapt to the changing times. When I bought my last vehicle 9 years ago I didn't get an EV because the best range for an affordable vehicle was only 50-60 miles and public charging was sparse. In another 9 years I doubt range or charging access will be an issue for 95% of drivers. The rest will likely just change their habits and adapt. People have survived the transition away from newspapers even though not all residences have good internet. People have dropped cable TV as it has gotten so expensive and have adapted. I used to commute and drive 20k miles in a year. But for the last 5+ years I've worked remote, get many purchases delivered, and now only drive 2k miles in a year.
Battery recycling is coming (See NorthVolt), battery swapping as well (Nio). The manufacturers of EV's are thinking of this. In addition, batteries now not like 10yo leaf battery degrading by 50% (and those cars not helped by early leafs having no real battery temperature management ), the ones in cars now will be good for a lot longer. Ioniq (original) EV looked great to me, just wish it had over 200 miles range. Ioniq 5 looks awesome, but worried its size will freak out my wife. Looking forward to more EV's that are more car than crossover/SUV.
It would be great if this vehicle came in a hybrid model. Does it? will it? But Hyundai doesn't have a Great track record with hybrids. But the design of the vehicle is very practical and attractive.
Recycling is an important consideration, but so is battery replacement after 10 or so years when you want to get your full range back. This seems to be obscenely expensive for most EVs. Since I tend to keep my ICEs for 12 to 20 years, I also want an EV I can keep for 12-20 years and not have its performance significantly hampered as compared to new. Until the range exceeds 400 miles (equivalent to most ICEs) and until a battery pack can be replaced for less than 20% of the original price of the vehicle, I will not be much interested in EVs.
I don't know that you'd actually have to worry about replacing the battery pack though, at least in theory. Tesla CLAIMS that their batteries will last from 300k to 500k miles but I don't know if there have been any cars driven far enough yet to back that up. In the 70's or 80's you'd be ok to hang onto a car for a decade or two but just look at the advancements in safety tech and crash tests (and changes made because of them). I don't think I'd keep a car longer than 5-10 years these days.
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13:25 If my 2012 car needed already needed a new engine I’d be thoroughly disappointed in that manufacture. Yet here is RENAULT-nissan with their Leaf already completed with the life of its battery. AVOID RENAULT NISSAN!!!!!!!
There is not a DC Fast charge in my county which has a population close to 400,000. That is why I bought a Rav 4 Prime. 40 miles of EV range and a gasoline engine to address long trips. There is no way I will buy an EV when the nearest DC fast charge is 35 miles from my home and there are less than 5 DC chargers in a 100 mile radius from my home.
@@simonburkeisable Unless you go on road trips a LOT, those two things are not an issue. I charge at home and leave every morning with the equivalent of a full tank of gas. You can't beat it. And when you do go on a road trip, is 15-25 minutes SO terrible compared to 5-10 minutes?
I like the Ioniq 5. However, if they phoned anything in, it's the range. Nowadays, for a car costing that much, it should be 300-350 miles. They aren't competing with Tesla, after all, for over 400 miles.
Only Tesla that gets 400 miles is Model S which is significantly more expensive. This car does get 300 miles of range with RWD. I sat in AWD dual motor version today. Computer showed 290 miles of range in the eco drive mode. So if you really need the range you will have it
True, however where the Ioniq falls short with range it makes up with when it comes to build quality. They got the range but their cars cost just as much but they continuously have some of the worst build quality in the car industry.
Do you want to compare prices. Another TH-camr pointed out that you could buy a fully speced ID.4 and a Golf GTI for the same price as a Model Y in Canada. I'm sure the US isn't too far off.
This format is going to kill viewership. This is so freaking boring. No one wants to watch a bunch of dudes having a conversations amongst themselves in a video format. SHOW the freaking car!
I'm interested in the Kia EV6, but I probably won't buy it because of Hyundai/Kia's reputation for not honoring their own warranties, poor fit and fitment issues, and historically horrible dealerships.
Well that is odd. Considered some of the best fitment in the industry with the lowest number of recalls for related issues. You made the warranty bit up and you hardly ever have to go back to the dealership ...unlike certain german brands where you live there. Some folk really struggle with the rise and rise of Korean manufacturing.
IMHO, IONIQ 5 vs TESLA MODEL Y... : Tesla great job, max speed, range especially leveraging its shape and weight. Still prefer, being in Europe, comfort. 99% of my trips are within 200kms one way. With the Hyundai IONIQ 5, I do look forward to ventilated seats, Android Auto, the roomy and comfortable interior, HUD, real blindspot monitoring, 360 camera. Also like reclining seats with foot rest and reclining console for arms rest, all electronic aids especially against collisions, automated parking (top trim), blind spot cams on dashboard when turning, V2L, sun shades integrated in back doors, electric sunroof shade, wide space available inside with good visibility through the back window etc. And the obviously efficient 400V to 800V internal battery inverter for fast charging. Other bugs with Tesla : Model 3 too low on the ground (Model Y is a perfected Model 3); door handles too complicated for kids and scratchy with persons with long finger nails; blue jeans bleed on those white seats.; simplistic navigation system(whereas under ANDROID AUTO, ABRP beta notably has settings for car weight, or TomTom Go 's use of all offline maps etc. ); quality of paint jobs ; mediocre internal lighting; loud alerts not compatible with family driving; max AWD weight capacity 300 Kg. Also 5 year car warranty illimited kms (Max 80 000 for Tesla... Reliability issues?), and 8 year battery warranty (same as Tesla). Comment by Park Shawn translating from Korean to English this video : th-cam.com/video/rWBAJu_S4lk/w-d-xo.html Ionic 5 LR and Model Y LR both have similar spec including weight, battery sizes. Details can be found on google. Here are some highlights from the conclusion they brought up at the end of the video. 1. Both car's AVG speed were about 100KM/h (Highway drive) 2. Both car's A/C and other convenience functions(like Highway drive assistance for Ionic 5, Auto Pilot for Model Y and etc.) were always on during the test. 3. 4 drivers drove about 100km per person and checked the remaining battery at designated location. 4. Both car have shown slightly poor battery performance than usual because of the weather condition (rain) 5. By just looking at the specification, Model Y can drive 141km more than Ionic 5. However the actual drive test have shown that the difference were only about 60~70km. This experiment have shown that IONIC 5's driving range is little longer than what Hyundai advertised. 6. They have concluded that both Ionic 5 and Model Y can drive from Seoul to Busan. The distance between those two cities are about 350km. Hope this helps. Furthermore, according to JD POWER, KIA (Hyundai Group) #1 in reliability before Toyota. Tesla bottom. German automakers middle of the road (Mercedes, Audi)... Résultats Google Recherche d'images correspondant à automacha.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2021010a.jpg Hyundai Group will take a hit because of the LG Chem battery recall (but not because of the Ioniq 5 for which they went for SK Innovation - SKI batteries). More info: www.ioniqforum.com/forums/hyundai-ioniq-5.589/
For those concerned with an ev's environmental impact, I think it might be important to reiterate that more than 75% of that impact happens during new car manufacture. If you truly care about the environment, never buy a brand new car, and keep that used car running for your lifetime.
@@carljaekle don't buy any new cars, ev or otherwise. That's my point. And you can convert ur old car to ev. Or Keep driving ur old combustion car... Would be less environmental impact than buying a new car ev or otherwise.
It's hard to take CR seriously when they start off the review with criticism of the name. Can you guys stay focused? During your concluding remarks, fine, you want to criticize the name, that's fine, but get your priorities straight. Once again leading off with name criticisms undermines your credibility as a car review outlet. Your peers, SavageGeese, Autogefuhl, MotomanTV, Alex On Autos, TFL I don't think any of them even mentioned the name.
Get the old guys off. Go into retirement. Get with the future cLet the younger guy talk. Oh right. Maybe add a woman. Even a black women. You guys are the past
The Ionic reminds me of 80s French cars. I think it's on the ugly side. It does look small, I'm intrigued that you say it has a bigger wheel base that the Palisade. I'll have to see it person. I'm still one the fence about EVs. I do think they are better cars but am curious what our electric bills will look like when there are a few million EVs charging on the grid and how long the lines will be at the interstate charging stations will be. I still only see them as local use vehicles and if your doing a long drive you are better off renting a gas car where it's only a 5 min refill. For now I'll stick with a hybrid till recharge times get shorter and the infrastructure get built out. I think this industry change over to EVs is exciting, let's hope that current manufacturers can survive the coming Chinese EV tsunami.
Don't see it as a Tesla copy - thwybtook a different approach. They put different sized motors front and back to give it a RWD bias. Suspension tuning is tuned for comfort vs performance.
The Ionic reminds me of 80s French cars. I think it's on the ugly side. It does look small, I'm intrigued that you say it has a bigger wheel base that the Palisade. I'll have to see it person. I'm still one the fence about EVs. I do think they are better cars but am curious what our electric bills will look like when there are a few million EVs charging on the grid and how long the lines will be at the interstate charging stations will be. I still only see them as local use vehicles and if your doing a long drive you are better off renting a gas car where it's only a 5 min refill. For now I'll stick with a hybrid till recharge times get shorter and the infrastructure get built out. I think this industry change over to EVs is exciting, let's hope that current manufacturers can survive the coming Chinese EV tsunami.
For most users who charge at home, recharge times are a non-issue. Throw in the occasional road trip and you'll have to stop for 15-30 minutes every so often but is that really a bad thing? I recently drove to a neighboring state a few times and had to charge once on each trip. By the time you stretch your legs, buy a snack, and send a few texts or whatever - you're ready to go. It's not bad at all. My favorite feature is being able to schedule the climate control to heat or cool it before you get in. Plus, you can tell it to keep running while you do your shopping so the car is nice and cool when you hop back in. It's awesome. 🙂
Just a note on lithium ion batteries used in these cars: the lithium, manganese, cobalt, and nickel in them does not actually get used up. The simplest method of recycling a depleted battery is grinding it up and using the material to make more batteries. This is called black mass recycling, and is far more ecologically friendly than most forms of recycling, as it reduces the need to mine more rare minerals, which is a process that has a massive ecological impact.
its only simple to do, for YT wannabe experts, that pretend the world is not drowning in waste that producers greenwash by saying it will be recycled, when most is just dumped, since its cheaper.... including millions of lithium ion batteries in electronic already... and the greater use of lower value LFP's batteries is making recycling them, even a greater money loser and less likely to happen....
there are ways to make recycling profitable, such as by adding fees to them that get paid out, when its recycled... but most ppl want to believe in the "free recycling fair tale" from producers, who sell to YT wannabe experts...
i’m going home and going out pppp
Jermemy - TESLA already has CLOSED LOOP battery Recycling at its FACTORIES and Service Center.
There are several companies aiming to use hydrometallurgy to recover the metals as salts for reuse. One issue is simply the low numbers of EV batteries to recycle and the need for scale to make economic. Recycling of Li ion batteries (probably mostly from small electronics) is currently done using pyrometallurgy, the black mass is sold to smelters.
There is also second life use of batteries. Once batteries have degraded too much for EV use, they can still be used for energy storage projects.
Two-tone color scheme with painted/contrasting cladding brought to you by 2005-2009 Subaru Outbacks. I'm here for it too. I'm a little surprised that they didn't talk about this vehicle's 800 volt charging system that will allow this vehicle to charge from 10-80% in 18 minutes. To have this capability in a mainstream brand's vehicles is kind of a big deal.
800v/900v w/ 350 kw DC FAST charging is NOT ANY Faster than EFFICIENT 400v 250 kw DC FAST charging. TESLA charges at 1000 mph and to 80% in 10 MINUTES.
800/900v is MARKETING , its BULLSHIT.
and CAR & DRIVER proved it by FAST charging a PLAID from 10% to 90% in 38 minutes.
May seem stupid but one of the main reasons I'm not opting for the ultimate package in Canada is that I prefer the black cladding and smaller wheels
Finally the electric car that I consider buying. Everything about this car is just amazing and I love the lounge-like interior.
1:56 The US version does not get the solar panel roof.
@@simonburkeisable They should be used to keep the cabin cool in the summer. Tesla has "overheat protection" to keep the electronics from melting, I'd pay a little extra for solar panels - free energy! 😀
I got a chuckle out of the dig at Hyundai for "reuse" of the Ioniq model name. I own a 2017 non-plugin Ioniq hybrid hatchback. It's not a boring car, gets 57 to 59 mpg (almost 600 miles of range on a 10 gallon tank of 87 octane unleaded) even with lots of air con use (I live in Central FL.) It's been very reliable. Somebody at Hyundai must really love the name Ioniq. Me, I can't wait to see the Ioniq 6 EV sedan, that may debut in 2022. Maybe.
The Ioniq name is going the Genesis route. It starts off as a Hyundai before branches off to be its own brand. The Hyundai brand will only have hybrid/plug-in hybrid vehicles in its lineup, and Ioniq will have only electric vehicles.
@@JT-fq2bl This would be interesting and I know they mentioned that early on. I am not sure they will follow through, I guess we will see!
The Ioniq 5 is on the top of my list, BUT you have to deal with Hyundai dealerships!
They should have setup a at-home/internet buying setup because you have to wade through a pig trough of slime to buy it.
Are Hyundai dealerships any worse than the rest? Don't all internet buying setups ultimately still land you in a conference with a F&I person before you get your car? I think Tesla is the only true internet car sales because they somehow aren't beholden to the automobile dealers association?
@@toronado455 yeah they're pretty bad. And not just because of the waiting around and the finance guy trying to upsell crap. It's a bad experience all around. I bought one anyways because the car was better and cheaper than the competitors, but a lot of that price difference is the dealership.
@@toronado455 i never had to wade through slime at a Subaru dealership.
The internet companies seem to be just as slimy as too many traditional dealers. For example, Carvana is on the cusp of having their license in Florida suspended or revoked or suspended because of failure to deliver titles on a timely basis. Moreover, like Car Max, they will not allow pre-purchase inspection by independent mechanics.
@@toronado455 Agree that the Tesla buying experience if unique. I really liked it. Do some research and then go online and buy the car in a few minutes, with no one trying to sell you anything. Got financing through Tesla as well. Whole thing took about 15 minutes. Think about all the costs being added to your car purchase by dealerships, salesman, and others trying to get you add accessories or insurance after the purchase.
I keep hearing it looks like an upscaled VW Golf. It should be a no-brainer for visual media, like this video, to take the logical step in communicating this by parking a Golf next to an Ioniq 5. Isn't that the one of the cardinal rules of communication, show, don’t tell? Other than that good video. I like the name, and unlike in the case of the Ford Mustang Mach E (a ridiculous name) it isn’t like it is desecrating an iconic brand name, it is merely borrowing one from a another car, that is itself relatively new and obscure. This looks like the coolest and most user friendly mainstream electric vehicle yet.
No wiper on the back windshield is a show stopper for me. Backup cams are great, but it can be hard to see what's behind that massive C pillar, even with a cam back there. I live in Edmonton and most of our winter involves sloppy roads wet with snow and sand, and I'm constantly using my rear wiper / washer to keep the back window clear. I can't imagine how often I'd have to get out to hand wash the rear windshield if I owned this car.
Question for CR: with EVs with the potential for regenerative braking - aren't RWD platforms disadvantaged because they're not using the front axle for the primary braking force?
99% of all braking is done using the rear brakes. Only emergency braking is using front brakes. So ideally an AWD ev would be 1% more efficient in regen braking I guess
It makes no difference unless you are regen braking hard enough to skid the tires.
Yes, you can only supply a limited amount of braking to the rear wheels before they begin to lose traction, therefore the regenerative braking has to be limited. All wheel drive works best.
battery powers motor that propels (rear) wheels... right? when braking, (both f&r) wheels power generator that recharges battery
Yes.
I would buy this as first ev.
same here
its an OK car , BETTER than BOLT, LEAF, MX-30, iD.4 and Muck-e, but its still NOT better than TESLA today or even in 2018.
the IONIQ 5 is NOT EVEN Better than a 2018 Tesla model 3.
@@markplott4820 Ioniq5 is definitely better than model 3. You need to share whatever you're smoking
Please tell me about the towing package for Ioniq 5 in USA
I am a long-time subscriber to Consumer Reports (started in the 1970s) and I have always valued the information provided. I was surprised and disappointed that an improper unit used in this video (at 1:03) referring to battery capacity in KW (a unit of power) and not KWh (a unit of energy). This seems like an unthinkable thing to happen for people I expected to be totally fluent in such matters. Perhaps, your talks need to be more scripted and proofread before delivery. If this was a misread from a script, then that is even worse as it means the reader did not understand what he was saying.
do the back seats fold flat with the hatch area floor?
Beautiful vehicle, Hyundai did good with this one.
One complication of recycling will be if lower cost elements are used in the cathode, LFP as one example. Remove Ni and Co and recycling turns into waste management problem. It is the tradeoff in lowering use of those elements.
I think in Eco mode the front motor of the dual motor model is turned off.
A nice, clean, very Giorgetto Giugiaro-like design. I think Hyundai nailed it on this one.
Why is there only one viewer question per podcast recently?
You were just early to the party. 😊🆗🆒✅
love the short episodes
If Hyundai had Tesla's supercharger network, these would outsell everything all other EV's. I really hope the charging network expands greatly for all EV's.
Electrify America is only a few years behind the SC network. Add in the Rivian network. Plus opening of the SC network, true freedom is around the corner. I live in Oregon and was saddened to hear electrify America wasn’t even contacted regarding the expansion of our West Coast Electric highway - high speed chargers every 25-50 miles along major highway routes
Move to Europe and you don't have this issue, but 99% of all time you charge at home.
I'm not one of the people. I love to do road trips, even when it is random. Being nomadic is in my blood. The electric chargers need to be place at all Wal-Marts and truck stop across the US.
I expect the supercharger network will open up fairly soon for all to use. Trials are already running in the Netherlands. It may take longer in North America as Tesla uses a proprietary connector her. If Tesla drags their heels on this I could see it potentially being legislated in the interest of the greater good for the greater number of people.
I hope you don't have any problems with the Hyundai. I have a 2019 Kona Electric with the battery that can catch fire. Hyunda's solution is to limit the battery to 80% charge, that's right, knock 20% off the claimed range. With no climate control, the range is 180 miles on the highway, (out of a rated 259). I haven't even tried this in the dead of winter when the heater knocks another 20-30% off the range. Hyundai claims that they have battery replacements but WILL NOT DELIVER IT! I've dealt with three Hyundai dealerships (Mirak, Bill Dube and Newport Hyundai) as well as Hyundai's CSS department and NONE of them have delivered a solutions to "Recall 200".
The only problem with electric cars is the price. They want people to move green, but most of us cannot afford a car in the 30k. We can only buy something around the 20k. May be in 5 years.
There's a 20k Tesla coming.
But most new cars sold are over 30k, with median price around 35k. That was before the chip shortage.
Plenty of used in 20k range and new evs very competitive especially considering lower cost to operate
Question for CR:
Hyundai & Kia chose to not give a rear window wiper with Ioniq 5 & EV6. How does it impact rear visibility driving on a rainy day? Also, are the side view/rearview mirror auto-dimming?
The maunal is available already. Looks like the rearview is auto-dimming with homelink on some models, but it of course doesn't list which ones because Canada and the US share the same manual and have different models and features. There is no mention of dimming side mirrors.
The spoiler on the roof has two large holes on it which lets air pass on the rear window to keep them clear of water. It basically the funnels the air.
@@Yubuzka3774 that air-flow theoretically happens at highway speeds - and I hear from other reviews it doesn't work then either; what about in traffic.... how do you keep the rear window clear? On the positive side, I think the lack of a rear wiper is the only significant complaint about this vehicle🙂
I can confirm it doesn't work well at all. Not a big issue, as you still have the side mirrors and all the blind spot monitoring.
I love the look of this car but for me it's an issue that the pricing starts at the same price as the F-150 Lightning and the new EV truck from GM as well. I don't' see any reason to choose this over a full-size truck for the same money.
That concept car idea...Luv my Stinger GT line sun and sound 2.0T! thx guys!
This new platform is amazing, and the car must be wonderful to drive. I hope that for more budget minded drivers, the Kona EV will remain available.
I find it weird that such a powerful car with a long wheelbase is not rated to tow more than 2000 lbs. It should be able to tow 2800 with long range RWD, and 3500 with AWD, same problem with most Hyundai and Kia mid-sized SUV's.
It isn't worth towing with any EV right now. Until we get large battery packs and efficient trailer designs, ur better off with a hybrid or diesel vehicle for the next 5-10 years
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 it just depends on what you're towing. If it's a low trailer, it will not affect the drag so much. There's also the option to drive slower and preserve range.
In Europe, all models get to tow 1600 Kg, or around 3500 lbs with a braked trailer, or 750 kg unbraked.
Or you just want to pick up some decorative rock or borrow a friend's garden tractor with a utility trailer. Meh, in a pinch I would just tow the 3000lbs an not worry about it.
the Ioniq 5 will not be available in my state
I would love to see this go up against a AWD ID.4. Range, charging, interior volume, cargo volume the whole gamut.
Ioniq 5 is better in every category other than maybe cargo storage. Ioniq 5 is the clear winner here and it’s not even close.
@@wolfejar I wouldn't say that. There are still a few features that the ID.4 has in its favor in my book. That includes price.
Walter - the iD.4 is TRASH , it Drives like a TAXI.
both the EV6 and IONIQ 5 are doing a BETTER job , than BOLT, LEAF , MX-30, iD.4 and the Muck-e. however the IONIQ 5 is a Distant 2nd place from TESLA.
I have driven both and I wouldn't agree with you at all. (What the heck does a taxi drive like anyway?). The ID.4 is a very solid vehicle. id.4 has a better tow rating and even cones with a factory hitch standard. also own a Tesla Model Y and it's not superior in every way than either of these. In fact I am trading model y in and maybe buying one ioniq and one id.4. Just curious, what is your experience with the 3 mentioned vehicles?
Hyundai Ioniq 5 is great car for people who does not need Autonomous Driving, Netflix/TH-cam, Continuous upgrade during it's life cycle, and Super Charger network. Best non-Tesla EV car so far.
I think Steve's question wasn't asking how the consumers to get rid of those batteries. He was asking about the pollution caused by these lithium batteries. Even if you replaced some cells, where did the bad cell goes? And what percentage of those battery is recyclable?
The entire cell is recyclable. Tesla is doing this currently.
what pollution ? EV batteries are 97% recyclable , and they can Recover 90% of most materiels.
I find "Ioniq" a clever name for an EV: Ion + IQ. Better than "eWhatEverBrand."
You mean you don't like Toyota's BZ4X? 😂😂😂
I wonder if programming automotive UI with multi-touch in mind would alleviate some of the unnaturalness. If the UI can mimic turning a knob with 2 or more fingers in a twisting motion, as in the real world; I suspect that would feel more natural and stable than sticking a finger out and swiping a small defined area for a line/arc with the arm and shoulder extended on a long leverage. That way, you can aim for a larger area, your fingers can be more natural in a bent state and your weight can rest on multiple digits providing more stable head and upper body support.
Looks appealing but those characteristic excessively protruding Hyundai front seat headrests would be a deal killer.
I understand there are government regulations on headrest designs nowadays but I can sit in a new Honda and the headrest isn’t immediately beating my head into submission.
Crossover style. Not an SUV. The automakers are indeed maximizing the benefits of the electric skateboard 🛹 platform. I think that the retro-chic 80s styling cues are retro cool 😎
Isn't it obvious? That one is called "Ironic", this one is called "Ion IQ 5"! And isn't it cool to call an electric car Ion? Thanks for the show!
Ioniq 5 reminds me of Sony VAIO; quite nostalgic.
I am still very hesitant on an any EV as I can’t trust the long term cost of the battery packs. This is the main thing that had kept me away form hybrid or or full EV.
What do you mean the long term cost?
Hyundai has the best to warranty 10yr/100,000 miles no once else comes close. Keep the battery between 20%-80% state of charger and you be fine for 10+ years. Lithium Ions generally likes 40-50% state of charge. Don’t charge it to 100% ever night (you don’t need that range anyways for daily driving) SK innovations supplies the battery packs to Hyundai. SK will also be supplying Ford for their f-150 Lightening. So far SK Innovation has a good track record making safe and reliable battery packs. Don’t let this hold you back.
Now if this was a LG Chem battery pack I’d be slightly concerned. The Chevy Bolt are catching fire because LG Chem didn’t manufacture the battery correctly. Remember the Samsung Note 7’s catching fire. Samsungs suppliers manufactured bad battery packs. Lithium Ion batteries are safe when manufactured correctly.
@@wolfejar Exactly, I charge mine to 80% every night and still have tons of range. If we go on a trip, charge her to 100% and away we go! All this talk about "range anxiety" is nonsense unless you're out in the middle of nowhere. There are charge stations all over the place these days.
If you're in the USA, every hybrid and EV has an 8 year 100,000mi warranty on traction motor/battery components.
EVs are simpler and when designed well will outlast the average ICE car. Just be sure whichever EV you choose has adequate active thermal management for the battery pack. Cheap EVs with aircooled batteries are not going to last as long or go as far.
Look at consumer reports data on reliability. The Toyota Prius has excellent reliability and battery packs that last the life of the car. As has been mentioned by many, battery warranties tend to be 8 years of longer with very high mileage limits. In a BEV limit SOC to 80% or less unless really needed for a long trip.
OMg a car that CR actually likes, When the IONIQ5 makes it to the mid-west I need to check it out.
This looks like the EV that should be the most popular in the US if they could make enough.
You've kind of got it backwards on 12V batteries: Lead-acid batteries are easy to recycle and there's a great system in place to do just that. You can turn your old 12V battery in for recycling no problem (in fact, you are required to). There isn't a recycling system for Lithium-Ion batteries yet. That needs to change.
FALSE , in America has REDWOOD materiels.
3:14 still better than the musical chairs of names Lincoln went through recently, or the "trim levels" BMW and mercedes have. Yes Mercedes your EQS 450 definitely has a gas motor under the hood that displaces 4.5 liters. still love the car though.
Here are some car names the OEMs can use for new models. Everyone will like the Chevy Facade, the Dodge Polecat, or the Nissan Idbuster.
ID buster? LOL
Ioniq and Genesis are dope names. Only boomers would think they’re boring names.
I own a Tesla, I think the Ioniq 5 is a winner, and they will be able to sell all they can make. Strongly disagree with the notion that a Tesla is hard to operate or over complicated. Driver profiles and voice commands take care of a lot of the things that are commonly complained about. Within a week or 2 of ownership, all seems very straightforward and logical.
Do you see the Tesla charging network overcoming the advantage of Hyundai's larger dealer network, Carl?
A week or two is still longer than a minute or two. I think that's the point.
I agree. I test drove Model Y 2X and both times walked away unimpressed and confused on how to use the car. And I’m a tech guy! We rented one for a week and totally changed my mind. My family loved the Model Y after a week road trip.
We have a reservation for both the Ioniq 5 ( dealership just called me yesterday should be here in Jan) and the Tesla Model Y (July Delivery). It’s a tough choice. I like Apple CarPlay and the quite smooth ride. The Model Y has a very stiff almost unpleasant hard ride when hitting bumps. Model Y will eventually get adjustable air ride suspension. But Ioniq 5 lacks the cargo space. Both have trade offs and I can’t seem to find the clear winner between the two.
@@wolfejar I have a Model 3 and it is a bit of a firm ride but that's the price of a "big battery EV" - stiff suspension. (at least for some vehicles) Was it a performance model that you drove? They have lower profile tires and (I think) an even firmer suspension.
Oh and if you plan on putting adults in the rear seat of the Model Y you should try sitting back there before you buy one. I saw a video on a channel called The Tech of Tech and he noticed that his head would contact the rear cross brace in the ceiling BEFORE it contacted the headrest. I think the seats can recline a bit & I don't know if they were leaned back or not. Anyhoo, just something to watch out for.
I really like the "power to load" feature that some EV's (including the Ioniq 5) have now. We lose power here once in a while and it would be awesome to be able to power the fridge for a day or more if needed.
@@robdc4829 I think Tesla will continue or do well. Their sales model is to order online. After some research, it took me about 10 minutes to buy the car, and another 10 to finance it. No one tried to upsell me anything I didn’t want. I have a Tesla dealer nearby so service is not a problem. Even if you don’t have a nearby service center, mobile service will often come to you.
Just like my 15 yr old catalytic converter is worth stealing today, I bet there’s value in the current batteries 15 yrs from now
Yes, they'll go into energy storage and once that is over, there are already several companies that recycle them and recover over 90% of the materials that go into new batteries to reduce mining.
Fortunately if someone tries to steal your EV battery it will crush them to death once they unbolt it.
Battery technology is moving pretty fast and battery prices are coming down. Also, a very heavy item and difficult to remove and transport on the street.
Ugh… why get hung up on the name. Just evaluate the vehicle based on its merits.
For some reason I thought this be a subcompact.
Makes you wonder why they won't just give us an electric GTI-sized hatchback vehicle with much lower weight, 300-mile range and descent performance for $30,000 or less... Maybe an Ioniq 3...?
This should have been the design for the ID4. Or at least a scaled down GTI in an electric future...
VW needed to make sure the center stack was as useful & user friendly as Bixby. Body design and packaging weren't budgeted.
Self steering (aka "Autopilot" in a Tesla) might seem like a gimmick but I LOVE it, especially on highways that are wider than 2 lanes and you want to cruise along in the middle.
FALSE, Tesla has the MOST Advanced AUTOPILOT FSD in the WORLD, and is able to be used ANYWHERE even on Dirt & Gravel roads . and on Highways it can pass SLOW Traffic, change lanes AUTOMATICALLY, and can even take RAMPS Automatically.
I wish the skateboard paradigm be replaced with the quick exchange system of families of compatible power packs with respect with geometry and size and electrical connectivity. Too many families that live in dense multi-family communities for which individual charging hookups are out of the question, or long distance business drivers will find short driving range and hours long charging times renders EV products not feasible, as well as range anxiety. The individual charging hookups could still be a viable option for short distance drivers who are fortunate enough to be permitted to have home charging setups. The quick exchange motif confers two compelling advantages: First a degree of financial protection from technological obsolescence as breakthrough improvements in power storage density comes forth. Second, the threat of neighborhood overload of power grids is largely alleviated as conversion of local fueling stations evolve into quick exchange power pack stores and regional distribution and recharging centers located adjacent to power generating and renewal energy plants. Also, tank wagons with their inherently empty back hauls are replaced with 18-wheelers, perhaps powered with LNG instead of diesel.
The battery is the most expensive part of an EV, and is the most prone to damage from miss-use. Also, we already can't make enough batteries to meet the demand from new EV's so having to build multiple batteries per car would be a problem. I for one would want no part of exchanging my battery for a random replacement of unknow origin. Also most battery packs today are liquid cooled so exchanging them would not be a simple process.
I own a 2012 Nissan LEAF that I purchased brand new. First, I don't recommend anyone buy an EV if they don't have a way to charge it at home unless they live close to a public charging station and can charge for free or at a low cost. The free charging station in downtown Ocala, FL will add about 20 miles of range per hour to my now antiquated Nissan. For long distance driving, you need an EV with a big battery and fast charging. Tesla with its supercharger network is still the leader for long road trips, at least here in FL where I live.
If batteries could be of small enough size and weight, I can imagine unplugging a small pack and bringing it inside the home to charge. Perhaps that will happen with solid state?
If there is a place to park a car then there eventually should be a solution to enable vehicle charging in most spaces. Chargers won't have to be connected to the same electric panel as where a person lives once data communication and metering is built into more chargers. Many decades ago many residences had 0 or 1 vehicles and over time money was spent and renovations were made to adapt to the changing times.
When I bought my last vehicle 9 years ago I didn't get an EV because the best range for an affordable vehicle was only 50-60 miles and public charging was sparse. In another 9 years I doubt range or charging access will be an issue for 95% of drivers. The rest will likely just change their habits and adapt. People have survived the transition away from newspapers even though not all residences have good internet. People have dropped cable TV as it has gotten so expensive and have adapted. I used to commute and drive 20k miles in a year. But for the last 5+ years I've worked remote, get many purchases delivered, and now only drive 2k miles in a year.
battery SWAP does not work.
Battery recycling is coming (See NorthVolt), battery swapping as well (Nio). The manufacturers of EV's are thinking of this. In addition, batteries now not like 10yo leaf battery degrading by 50% (and those cars not helped by early leafs having no real battery temperature management ), the ones in cars now will be good for a lot longer.
Ioniq (original) EV looked great to me, just wish it had over 200 miles range. Ioniq 5 looks awesome, but worried its size will freak out my wife. Looking forward to more EV's that are more car than crossover/SUV.
TESLA already has CLOSED LOOP battery Recycling WORLDWIDE.
It would be great if this vehicle came in a hybrid model. Does it? will it?
But Hyundai doesn't have a Great track record with hybrids.
But the design of the vehicle is very practical and attractive.
Wait, you want this car but with gas? What's stopping you from getting a Palisade then?
Hybrids are already DEAD. Decline in SALES ever since 2018 .
do you know WHAT CAR came out in 2018 ?
TESLA model 3.
4:25 - Uh like every other EV manufacturer out there. Hyundai didn't invent the skateboard platform.
All of the new EV's whatever brand have recalls for fire. what have you got to say about this?
Recycling is an important consideration, but so is battery replacement after 10 or so years when you want to get your full range back. This seems to be obscenely expensive for most EVs. Since I tend to keep my ICEs for 12 to 20 years, I also want an EV I can keep for 12-20 years and not have its performance significantly hampered as compared to new. Until the range exceeds 400 miles (equivalent to most ICEs) and until a battery pack can be replaced for less than 20% of the original price of the vehicle, I will not be much interested in EVs.
I don't know that you'd actually have to worry about replacing the battery pack though, at least in theory. Tesla CLAIMS that their batteries will last from 300k to 500k miles but I don't know if there have been any cars driven far enough yet to back that up.
In the 70's or 80's you'd be ok to hang onto a car for a decade or two but just look at the advancements in safety tech and crash tests (and changes made because of them). I don't think I'd keep a car longer than 5-10 years these days.
This is what people in the 80's thought cars would look like today
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13:25 If my 2012 car needed already needed a new engine I’d be thoroughly disappointed in that manufacture. Yet here is RENAULT-nissan with their Leaf already completed with the life of its battery. AVOID RENAULT NISSAN!!!!!!!
Screens look too much like a tesla mistake. Well done car overall.
Will anyone make a small, fun electric car?
UK gets lot of tiny EV cars like Cupra, Honda E
Mini Cooper SE is available
Tesla Roadster?
Chevy Volt?
Maybe a name is based on "ICONIC", which describes this car... therefor IONIC 5
There is not a DC Fast charge in my county which has a population close to 400,000.
That is why I bought a Rav 4 Prime. 40 miles of EV range and a gasoline engine to address long trips.
There is no way I will buy an EV when the nearest DC fast charge is 35 miles from my home and there are less than 5 DC chargers in a 100 mile radius from my home.
Ice is done!!! Battery electric is better in every way.
@@simonburkeisable Unless you go on road trips a LOT, those two things are not an issue. I charge at home and leave every morning with the equivalent of a full tank of gas. You can't beat it. And when you do go on a road trip, is 15-25 minutes SO terrible compared to 5-10 minutes?
90 plus % of charging done at home while asleep. Doesn't get better than that.
@@steverichard2786 and while electricity is even cheaper.
“The Mach-E is not a Mustang”. Oh really guy? Do you work at Ford? Cause I see the Mustang logo right there on the car.
your test model is off Long Beach :}
Need another ten minutes. I prefer the longer format.
Talking like a politician about battery 🔋 recycle ♻️ issue 😆😆 hydrogen may well become cost effective. Especially well to well expensive
I like the Ioniq 5. However, if they phoned anything in, it's the range. Nowadays, for a car costing that much, it should be 300-350 miles. They aren't competing with Tesla, after all, for over 400 miles.
Only Tesla that gets 400 miles is Model S which is significantly more expensive. This car does get 300 miles of range with RWD. I sat in AWD dual motor version today. Computer showed 290 miles of range in the eco drive mode. So if you really need the range you will have it
What Tesla has 300 miles of range and an effective price of $37,400 after credits?
True, however where the Ioniq falls short with range it makes up with when it comes to build quality. They got the range but their cars cost just as much but they continuously have some of the worst build quality in the car industry.
Do you want to compare prices. Another TH-camr pointed out that you could buy a fully speced ID.4 and a Golf GTI for the same price as a Model Y in Canada. I'm sure the US isn't too far off.
No Tesla gets over 400 miles. Tesla Plaid real world is maybe 320. My model 3 Performance gets about 270. Hyundai range is fine
the SOLAR panels on the IONIQ 5 are a JOKE.
in full sunlight they can ONLY provide 5 miles of range in 8 hours.
you can charge faster on 120v AC.
Bring back the in-person episodes!
I hate the wheels on the Ioniq 5
This format is going to kill viewership. This is so freaking boring. No one wants to watch a bunch of dudes having a conversations amongst themselves in a video format. SHOW the freaking car!
I'm interested in the Kia EV6, but I probably won't buy it because of Hyundai/Kia's reputation for not honoring their own warranties, poor fit and fitment issues, and historically horrible dealerships.
Well that is odd. Considered some of the best fitment in the industry with the lowest number of recalls for related issues. You made the warranty bit up and you hardly ever have to go back to the dealership ...unlike certain german brands where you live there.
Some folk really struggle with the rise and rise of Korean manufacturing.
That's a huge deal breaker right there
Hyundai names their NEW EV platform , TERRIABLY they call the e-GMP , that does not instill much Confidence in the Brand.
The character lines on the Ioniq 5 are terrible! It looks like badly folded origami
IMHO, IONIQ 5 vs TESLA MODEL Y... :
Tesla great job, max speed, range especially leveraging its shape and weight. Still prefer, being in Europe, comfort. 99% of my trips are within 200kms one way. With the Hyundai IONIQ 5, I do look forward to ventilated seats, Android Auto, the roomy and comfortable interior, HUD, real blindspot monitoring, 360 camera. Also like reclining seats with foot rest and reclining console for arms rest, all electronic aids especially against collisions, automated parking (top trim), blind spot cams on dashboard when turning, V2L, sun shades integrated in back doors, electric sunroof shade, wide space available inside with good visibility through the back window etc.
And the obviously efficient 400V to 800V internal battery inverter for fast charging.
Other bugs with Tesla : Model 3 too low on the ground (Model Y is a perfected Model 3); door handles too complicated for kids and scratchy with persons with long finger nails; blue jeans bleed on those white seats.; simplistic navigation system(whereas under ANDROID AUTO, ABRP beta notably has settings for car weight, or TomTom Go 's use of all offline maps etc. ); quality of paint jobs ; mediocre internal lighting; loud alerts not compatible with family driving; max AWD weight capacity 300 Kg.
Also 5 year car warranty illimited kms (Max 80 000 for Tesla... Reliability issues?), and 8 year battery warranty (same as Tesla).
Comment by Park Shawn translating from Korean to English this video :
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Ionic 5 LR and Model Y LR both have similar spec including weight, battery sizes. Details can be found on google. Here are some highlights from the conclusion they brought up at the end of the video. 1. Both car's AVG speed were about 100KM/h (Highway drive) 2. Both car's A/C and other convenience functions(like Highway drive assistance for Ionic 5, Auto Pilot for Model Y and etc.) were always on during the test. 3. 4 drivers drove about 100km per person and checked the remaining battery at designated location. 4. Both car have shown slightly poor battery performance than usual because of the weather condition (rain) 5. By just looking at the specification, Model Y can drive 141km more than Ionic 5. However the actual drive test have shown that the difference were only about 60~70km. This experiment have shown that IONIC 5's driving range is little longer than what Hyundai advertised. 6. They have concluded that both Ionic 5 and Model Y can drive from Seoul to Busan. The distance between those two cities are about 350km. Hope this helps.
Furthermore, according to JD POWER, KIA (Hyundai Group) #1 in reliability before Toyota. Tesla bottom. German automakers middle of the road (Mercedes, Audi)...
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Hyundai Group will take a hit because of the LG Chem battery recall (but not because of the Ioniq 5 for which they went for SK Innovation - SKI batteries).
More info:
www.ioniqforum.com/forums/hyundai-ioniq-5.589/
For those concerned with an ev's environmental impact, I think it might be important to reiterate that more than 75% of that impact happens during new car manufacture. If you truly care about the environment, never buy a brand new car, and keep that used car running for your lifetime.
Good but, how do we transition to EV's without buying any new cars?
This is a common myth and is not true. You have it backwards, 75% of an ICE car’s emissions come from after the car has been produced
@@hutton5740 I didn't say "emissions" only . I was referring to a vehicles total environmental impact.
@@carljaekle don't buy any new cars, ev or otherwise. That's my point. And you can convert ur old car to ev. Or Keep driving ur old combustion car... Would be less environmental impact than buying a new car ev or otherwise.
I miss Tom’s scornful reviews.
Cool, another video where they complain about the name. 🙄
This looks like a Toshiba vhs with wheels
😂
It's hard to take CR seriously when they start off the review with criticism of the name. Can you guys stay focused? During your concluding remarks, fine, you want to criticize the name, that's fine, but get your priorities straight. Once again leading off with name criticisms undermines your credibility as a car review outlet. Your peers, SavageGeese, Autogefuhl, MotomanTV, Alex On Autos, TFL I don't think any of them even mentioned the name.
Get the old guys off. Go into retirement. Get with the future cLet the younger guy talk. Oh right. Maybe add a woman. Even a black women. You guys are the past
Too much salad talk. Get more specific.
The Ionic reminds me of 80s French cars. I think it's on the ugly side. It does look small, I'm intrigued that you say it has a bigger wheel base that the Palisade. I'll have to see it person.
I'm still one the fence about EVs. I do think they are better cars but am curious what our electric bills will look like when there are a few million EVs charging on the grid and how long the lines will be at the interstate charging stations will be. I still only see them as local use vehicles and if your doing a long drive you are better off renting a gas car where it's only a 5 min refill. For now I'll stick with a hybrid till recharge times get shorter and the infrastructure get built out. I think this industry change over to EVs is exciting, let's hope that current manufacturers can survive the coming Chinese EV tsunami.
Don't care for those stupid flush door handles.
I never seem to concentrate on the show on the days when the dude with the neck beard is on. It freaks me out.
This isn’t a new platform. This is simply a good copy of Tesla.
Don't see it as a Tesla copy - thwybtook a different approach. They put different sized motors front and back to give it a RWD bias. Suspension tuning is tuned for comfort vs performance.
Please explain how Hyundai “copied” Tesla.
Can Tesla do V to L? Charge other EVs or have the 800 volt architecture? Yes, it's a new platform.
If they'd copied Tesla it would have a usable frunk.
Way better build quality than Titsla, and that bland titsla interior. 🤮
The Ionic reminds me of 80s French cars. I think it's on the ugly side. It does look small, I'm intrigued that you say it has a bigger wheel base that the Palisade. I'll have to see it person.
I'm still one the fence about EVs. I do think they are better cars but am curious what our electric bills will look like when there are a few million EVs charging on the grid and how long the lines will be at the interstate charging stations will be. I still only see them as local use vehicles and if your doing a long drive you are better off renting a gas car where it's only a 5 min refill. For now I'll stick with a hybrid till recharge times get shorter and the infrastructure get built out. I think this industry change over to EVs is exciting, let's hope that current manufacturers can survive the coming Chinese EV tsunami.
For most users who charge at home, recharge times are a non-issue. Throw in the occasional road trip and you'll have to stop for 15-30 minutes every so often but is that really a bad thing? I recently drove to a neighboring state a few times and had to charge once on each trip. By the time you stretch your legs, buy a snack, and send a few texts or whatever - you're ready to go. It's not bad at all.
My favorite feature is being able to schedule the climate control to heat or cool it before you get in. Plus, you can tell it to keep running while you do your shopping so the car is nice and cool when you hop back in. It's awesome. 🙂