Hammock Suspensions Part 5....Cinch Buckles & Webbing
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- Cinch Buckle System....dutchwaregear....
Titanium Cinch Buckle Complete System....dutchwaregear....
Cinch Buckle only.....dutchwaregear....
Ti Cinch Buckle...dutchwaregear....
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Dutch Clips....dutchwaregear....
Sew on Dutch Clips...dutchwaregear....
Soft Shackle....shop.whoopiesli...
So far I'm liking the cinch buckles. They seem to fit the kiss method for me the most. Thank you for showing all these different ways to hang the hammock.
They are generally reliable and easy to use. Whooooo Buddy))))
I recently switched back to the cinch buckles and still using the Dutch Clips. We like setting up the hammocks faster and it's worth the couple of extra ounces. It also works better with closer trees. Nothing wrong with my whoopie sling setup! I also ordered a Dangerbird Dream Hammock. This will make it now 6 hammocks for our collection! LOL
Nothing quicker!
I haven’t really delved into hammocks yet(but I plan to) but these suspension videos have been some of the most informative I’ve seen. Thank you for doing these.
Thanks for that. Tried to cover as much as I could.
This has been the best series on the subject I've ever seen. Thanks 😊
Thanks for that.
Thanks Shug, you explain things the best. Take care.
Thank you kindly~~
Great video. The best part is this system allows stringing the hammock from tree to tree right out of the bag without anything touching the ground.
There ya' go!
I love the simplest set up possible. Great job showing the many options!
Nothing simpler than these for sure.
Interesting about the soft shackle. I was always meaning to find out what that was but never looked it up. Looks like it would be quite useful. Love cinch buckles! So easy!
They are cool to mess with.
Should have known to just watch your vid first you’re the one that convinced me to get a hammock lol. Just got my first hammock a Hennessy, didn’t want to spend too much on my first hammock and want to change up the suspension so it’s easier to adjust but I am mind blown 🤯 too many options but atleast I’ve got a better idea how they all work together now. Thanks Shug!
Lotta range there. Check these.....th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=changing+suspension+on+a+hennessy+hammock
Great series for anyone into hammocks. THANK YOU!
Y'elcome.
I rather like the cinch buckles myself. They seem easy to use and adjust quickly too.
Thanks for the video
So simple and easy for sure.
Thanks for the video Shug. I like the way you show details of how things work. It always makes it easier for those of us who are a little slower than others. LOL. JT. from Oregon
I do go on!...but you gotta show all the wee details.
These are awesome. Slipper half hitch every time!
Yessir!
I've been addicted to my hammock for almost a year now and have done a bunch of research somehow soft shackles have evaded me. I really like the idea of them plus there is the weight savings I believe I will give them a try. As always thank you for sharing sir.
They are fun to mess with for sure.
Merci shug ! Cest pas arrêter c'est fini ! On t'aime Xxx
Merci
I'm not a fan of bright colors but I waste several minutes every day finding clothes because everything is grey or black. I have the same problem in my pack. I'm planning on a thru hike in the next couple years and I think I could save a lot of frustration by using all the pretty colors they offer. Also I've forgotten black tree straps more than once.
Good points!
You have covered every (good) suspension option I have seen before in this series. Still like my whoopie, marlin spike and toggle though. It is great to see options. Thanks.
Thanks. I did a UCR and a bit of Whoopie video today though I did a Whoopie video a year ago....th-cam.com/video/MPDPEEcKlDQ/w-d-xo.html
I'll watch again. Any trip videos coming soon?
Nothing on the books. If I can get out in Dec I shall but I got gigs and gets tough with the Holidaze. January for sure though.
Thanks Shug. Hopefully you will also cover other common hardware like the Wasps, Fleez, and others that a lot of us are really not familiar with but hear about all the time. Thanks again. Also, thanks to reviews and comparison/reviews by people like yourself, Sintax77 and Goatmumbler, I broke down and ordered the ULA Ohm 2.0
Well....those are more for tarps and I kinda did.....th-cam.com/play/PLahaAdtfX9ZK1k8bDbsr4JzQgQ_iyB2RU.html
I find your explanations very useful Shug. I only use webbing and two different knots, cause couldn't get into this hardware shackle stuff before. That saves me some time and weight. And adds a safer feeling while i'm hanging. But maybe i should try the shackles out, great video!
Whooooooo Buddy)))))
ti cinch buckles are my favorite. quick est set up and I used it in the rain. making it pretty easy once I had my rainfly up
My deep winter go-to.
Awesome video. Entertaining and clear.
Glad to hear that. Whooooo Buddy))))
Love your channel. Just finished my first hammock camping trip. Many more planned for the future. Although I do need a better hammock. Love you channel.
Whoooooo Buddy)))))
THANK YOU!! I’ve been searching for help with webbing and this is what I needed! Finally! Thank you!,
Glad it helped~~~~
Totally getting rid of my warbonnet buckles for those dutchware titanium cinch...sweet!
They sure are.
Good overview. Just FYI, Dutch also has a system very similar to the Warbonnet Buckles called the June Bug buckle (it's fairly new). He added some extra points to one buckle to make it easier to separate the two buckles. I find it to be a nice middle ground for cost / weight ratio. Not as light as titanium cinch buckle, but lighter than the metal cinch buckle. I just got a pair for use with my Dutchware 11ft netless hammock. I also have to warbonnet buckles for my other hammock. Both systems work great.
Thankee. I will be showing them on the last of the series. They are nice but a bit different than the traditional cinch buckle.
Greetings from Ireland,,,,,love your vid,s and thanks for your time that ya put into sharing your skills ,,,,Slainte
Thank ya'. My Mom is born and raised in Tipperary.
I was born in Derry.
My granmother was from Tipp,,, Your a long way from Derry,,,,lol. good luck for now,,,,,,,,,
when you position your strap so that it doesn't put too much stress on the shackle, I think an additional turn around the tree would reduce the stress even more. It's the most amazing hitch ever---3 or 4 turns around a post is very strong. With webbing it may slip but it's the principle that's interesting.
Logical....though I rarely ever do it.
I never paid any attention to cinch buckles because I thought that much webbing would be heavy. Was recently on Warbonnet’s site and noticed a Blackbird with cinch buckles was only 2 ounces heavier than with whoopie slings. I was very surprised! I’ll be switching over.
Good and easy.
I wish I had watched this again before setting my hammock up. I had a little trouble with my buckles and now I see mine weren't straight. oops.
Learning as I go.
Thanks
So you got one! Be patient.
I did.. I have much to learn.
I make my own soft shackles out of paracord no problems with them yet never had one break never had one fail
Glad to hear.
may be one moar thing to add is, if one takes the webbing out of the cinch buckle (to use the webbings' own loop....etc) the middle part, that metal bar thingy, can actually fall out and get lost in the dark forest floor.....
True.
The cinch buckles are awesome but I keep hearing in my head, “Hang on ze knot and not ze toggle.” 🤣
Haaaaaaaaaaa!
Not only are they quick, but they also reduce problems of bigger trees (as with tree huggers), of longer distances, and the minimum distance of whoopies.
Bit bulkier though.
The warbonnet cinch buckles seem like they’re basically a special shape of descender ring suspension.
I like the cinch buckles from Myerstech Hammock Lab. They stay straight, bite hard, release easily, and are fairly lightweight. No complaints with them so far, but I still like the whoopie sling/marlin spike hitch/toggle the best.
Thanks. I did a UCR and a bit of Whoopie video today though I did a Whoopie video a year ago....th-cam.com/video/MPDPEEcKlDQ/w-d-xo.html
shugemery Yep. That earlier whoopie sling video you did is what convinced me to go with it when I bought my Blackbird XLC. Thanks so much. Love your videos. Your videos are what has saved my camping trips. I have a bad back, and you got me to try a hammock. First night in one, and I told my wife I might hang it in my bedroom because I finally slept all night, and it was the best night I've had in 15+ years. I am hammock crazy now.
at's some fancy frisbie flippin' thx dude
Forgot I knew how to do that!
Outstanding!
Thankee.
You can use a toggle with the cinch buckle as well.
Reckon you could.
Great video
Thankee
It would take forever for me to do a video like this one because every time I got into the hammock to demonstrate how a suspension holds under pressure, I would not want to get back out and I would have to take another nap. :)
It is hard to get once in there. So nice just laying there. Doing nothing. Then get up to do something.
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Thanks for another great video Shug!
Y'elcome.
Shug, you mentioned that the (non ti) cinch buckles are aluminum. Correction, they're stainless steel. The warbonnet buckles are aluminum.
One thing I do with buckle suspensions is to make a slip on elastic belt loop that I would keep just a few inches above the buckle to slip the tag end of the webbing through. This helps to ensure (but not guaranty) proper alignment within the buckle itself. Hope that makes sense. It sure beats a slippery half hitch, which is a self defeating hack in my opinion. If you don't have enough confidence in your buckles to do without the hack, then you need to move onto a supsension that you DO have confidence in.
My wife and I prefer Beetle Buckles on dyneema.
A lot to cover so I was bound to err in a few places. The SHH has to be tied loosley and not cock the buckle. Your idea sound good......folks will do what they need to I hope. My Ti buckles never slip. Not my warbonnet.
I'll be showing Beetle Buckles on the Finale video.
"Catty-Wompus"???? That's some ding danger bling blanger of a phrase! :)
My first cat's name.
I like making soft shackles. It’s restful.
The blue tarp next door is killin' me slowly...
You can pick your nose, but not your neighbors WB!
I don't even see it!
Aye, but I'm afraid that I'd hear it (as another seeker of silence) flapping wildly every time the wind blows. You're a fine neighbor.
Like the knots and all, something to consider whilst swaying in the breeze-on my toggles/marlin spike riggings. Carry on fine Sir.
Great videos on suspension system options. Of all the systems you covered in your 5 videos which one is your favorite?
Still got more to come!.....like I say in the vids, I'm a whoopie sling/ tree strap/marlinspike knot/toggle user.
You are such an Good Teacher, Shug. Yes you are one. he-he. I have 1 quick question. Maybe you could "Reply" to me below. Can I have my "Ridge Line" longer then my Hammock is, or just how does that work for us newbies? I've decided on my "Straps & Clips" I gonna use. Thanks
Hopefully this'll learn ya'........th-cam.com/video/xrfBrIEH2-U/w-d-xo.html
Awesome Series!
Whooooo Buddy))))))
Have you ever used prusik knows along to separate pieces of rope? That seems like a decent way of doing it without straps or (extra)hardware? By the way. This video is saved to my bluegrass playlist just because I that mandolin sounds really good wherever you recorded it.
I have not used prussics to hod my hammock. Thankee on mando.
Google "better edwards soft shackle" to find a newer design that looks easier to use. I'm going to make one and try it out.
I'll take a look. Thanks.
Can you explain the "dutch clip" part that goes around the tree?
th-cam.com/video/gLrcm-bGTOM/w-d-xo.html
dutchwaregear.com/product/adutchable-clips/
Have you ever done a video using a carabiner? Does the same principle apply as a Dutch Clip - putting it to the side to lessen stress on webbing and 'biner?
around 6 minutes into this video....th-cam.com/video/QlIeq459Gsw/w-d-xo.html
and a merry merry christmas to you shuggman love the clown stuff peace
And to you...good tidings
thx
If your hammock has a ridge line...why does the angle need to be around 30 degrees? The hammock will retain its sag no matter how loose or tight you tie the supporting tree lines. I can see the the importance of that angle if there is not a ridge line. Also...this continuous loop.....why not just make your own by tying a knot at the end to make a loop? Also...if the bark is very smooth, placing the webbing in the "stressed" position will grab the tree with more tightness to prevent slipping down the trunk.
It is a stress thing and most get a better hang on the diagonal in the hammock.
30º is just a good starting point. Gives newbs a place to start as they always want to go straight out with the suspension. More force on webbing and tree that way. But hang as you will. You can do the continuous loop. I have some that way. Just use a good knot! Some old Warbonnet gear has the continuous loop that way.
I'd rather wrap the tree strap differently that having it placed in the stressed position. Many wrap twice. Never had mine slide enough that a slight adjustment up won't fix.
First known use of hammock is reported to date from 1626. 🤯
Sailors loved them!
Wasent that just his wife?
This is a great series of videos! Which hammock suspension have you found to be the lightest? I see Dutch has a new webbing out now too. Would the whoopie sling still be the lightest ?
I use tree strap, whoopie, marlinspike hitch suspension. There are super light tree straps now butI still use polyester.
dutchwaregear.com/product-category/hammock-gear/hammock-suspensions/straps-huggers/
dutchwaregear.com/product/2-spider-web/
I am looking to upgrade from a daisy chain to a cinch buckle system. Looking at what vendors sell I was wondering if you find that 12' of webbing is usually enough or would 15' serve me better. I mostly was comparing the buckles from Dutch and Warbonnet. I do a lot of canoe trips in the BWCA or short hike in camping from the car so weight is not really an issue for me.
Maybe one 12' and one 15' to be sure. You can always cut off and shorten down the road.
do a prussick know on the cinch buckle and it will not slip nor need adjustment
Some might. I always did a slippery half hitch.
Please help... lol I would love to get a Hammock. Something that would work in all season? I would like a good one but not a lot of wight.
These...for all season meaning bug.
Dutchware Chamelon...dutchwaregear.com/hammock-gear/hammocks/chameleon.html
Warbonnet Blackbird.....www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/hammocks/
So many hammocks these day it is hard to tell a person what to get. Google "camping hammocks" and look at the choices.
Bigger guy here...a little worried about weight limits. Is the hammock itself the weak spot in all these systems? I see they come with upper weight limits -- 200 lbs, 250 lbs, 400 lbs, etc. Do I have to worry about any of these suspension systems if I weight, oh I don't know, 280 lbs?
Always look at the specs on the weight bearing on suspensions. They usually list it. Or call/email the vendor. At 280 you should be fine for most of these suspensions.
So I bought a hammock with cinch buckles attached to the continuous loops, which were already attached to the hammock when it arrived. Can I just attach the cinch buckle to the buckle on the tree straps using a carabiner?
Let me put it another way. If I use a beetle buckle at one end of my tree strap, can I run a carribiner through the hole in the beetle buckel and attach it to the cinch buckle at the end of the continuous loop?
I think so. Or try to remove cinch buckles if not needed.
@@shugemery Ok. Thanks
Hey Bud! Random question here. I made my own hammock a while back in the style of your good ol' green bean, and I am looking at installing the warbonnet cinch buckle as it's permanent suspension system. At the moment I have my gathered ends wrapped and a loop attached via a prusik knot right below the wrappings used to hook to a loop webbing via carabiner. Now when I saw your warbonner buckles I saw the continuous loop hooked to the hammocks loop via some metal device (with more prusik knots?) My question is, in your opinion, is this necessary or can I just use that knot to hook them together without the metal piece. Or should I just remove the loop and attach the cinch buckles continuous loop straight to my gathered ends. Really appreciate your thoughts, love your videos and having a lot of fun building an entire hammocking system.
Also, not sure if those knots i'm referring to are prusik, marlin spike hitches or something else entirely.
I am a bit unclear reading this.
On most of my hammocks continual loop larkheads to hammock end.
There are many ways to do it.
You may be refering to my dutch biners.
Can you do a hammock gear Econ series review?
I would but don't own one.
Just like other UQs just a heavier fabric and duck down rather than goose down. Heard folks like them.
shugemery thanks for the reply👍
My HG Econ UQ has identical suspension to the HG UQ in Shug’s video in adjusting the HG 👍🏼
I have a 30 and 20 degree econ UQ coming my way. I hear they are similar to the regular versions I cant wait to try them out.
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Do you need drip lines on cinch buckle suspension if the buckle is under the fly?
Not really. Good to twist the straps a couple of turns to help shed rain as well.
I have the buckles that came with my Warbonnet Eldorado hammock. One of them keeps slipping. I can't figure out why. I haven't ended up on the floor yet. What can I do about that?
Make sure your strap is straight in the buckle. Also maybe tie a slippery half hitch behind the buckles.
are those better than rings or D shape buckles?
Not better per-say.....just another option.
Does anyone back your buckle with a slippery half-hitch as a safeguard against the strap slipping in the buckle? Or would it just come undone if the buckle started to slip?
Some I do but on good ones there is no need. Just make sure the straps are lined up very straight.
Shuge, can you tell me what kind of hammock this green thing is? I really like it. Thanks, PC&W anaagodziiht
That is a hammock I made. These directions.....tothewoods.net/HomemadeHammock.html
shugemery - thank you so much for the information. You have no idea how helpful you have been, especially to us newbie hangers. I've only been at this hanging business for a little over a year and it seems like the more I know, the more I realize I don't know. I am really grateful for your help. May I am and the spirit Of the Wolfpack be with you. PC&W
Thankee....spirit of the wolf is.......th-cam.com/video/sJDvW5pmobk/w-d-xo.html
Can you attach a cinch buckle to a carabiner? Just curious. I have 2 hammocks. One uses daisy chain suspension and the other is a cinch buckle. I don't want to really convert the first. Just in case I need to daisy chain it for some reason.
I have never tries doing that but it may work. Only one way to find out......
@@shugemery Your uncertain answer is a certainty good sir! I'm gonna give it a try next week. I can't see any structural failure possibility other than the carabeners failing. But there's no reason for them to do that. I'll let you know. At the very least if I end up on the ground I can practice my quick tarp shelter pitch.
Hey Shug, Love your videos. I’ve been working my way through your entire playlist. I recently purchased a used Dutchware half zip with a continuous loop, soft shackle & whoopie sling suspension. Would I be able to larks head the fixed end of my whoopie sling directly to the continuous loop of my hammock? I feel like the soft shackles may be redundant. Thanks
you can. The soft shackle would make a good rain stop/drip line though.
Thanks Shug! Good point I may just leave the soft shackle on there
Looks like your neighbor to the rear could use a little tarp tutorial on their roof.
He likes a crinckley tarp!
1. I didn't want to assume his gender.
2. But does he like a good boil?
What kind of webbing do you use? Mine seem to stretch to much. Thanks
Warren Foster I use polypropylene webbing. Links should be below video.. Nylon stretches but polypropylene does not.
What's your preferred suspension shug?
I use tree strap/marlinspike/toggle/ whoopie suspension 95% of the time.
I’m having some trouble with my cinch bugs. If I pulled the bug, the webbing comes out further
Maybe you have the webbing through it wrong! dutchwaregear.com/product/cinch-bugs/
Contact Dutch. He can help.
I gave you a paw up 100 - I am the lucker ;)
Thankee...woof.
Why would you not simply feed the strap through the closed end loop? Why do you use a carabiner or soft shackle? Ooops! Just got to that portion of the video...
Easier and saves a bit of time at tree end..oh, you saw!
Shug what kind of back pack do you recommen for someone with should and neck problems
I would say just make sure the pack is properly fitted whatever pack you choose.
Do the cinch buckles on my warbonnet traveler provide the water break (drip Line) or should a show string be added before or after?
As long as they are under your tarp you should be good. th-cam.com/video/J1OXNc_JEPc/w-d-xo.html
Many thanks.
Why not just run the webbing through its own loop and not us any additional hardware/soft shackle? I never understood why everyone does not do that.
Of course you can. But if you are set up and need to move your suspension up and a limb is in the way then a dutch clip make it easier. Anyone can just do it however they want to. No rules...
shugemery excellent point. I have run into that problem
What size and material is that soft shackle made out of?
Mine seem to be 7/64 and 1/8 amsteel.
Link for one below video....
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It is a Bill Monroe tune called "Bluegrass Stomp"
shugemery thank you very much
I keep looking at you, attaching a loop(soft shackle) to a loop(end of strap) and wonder, if you have a loop, just use the loop, why add more loop? Is it literally just so you don't have to thread the strap all the way through? Edit: Nevermind, you answered my question later in the video. Note to self, watch, then comment. lol
You can for sure. I just don't.
Hang 'em high!
Just hang 'em.
"The only thing that I know is that I know nothing". Socrates
Socrates was my second cousin once removed.
Plato said many moons ago that Socrates was a "soft shackle". This video series has helped me understand what he meant by that.
All suspension systems are secure in sector 7.
He said caddiwompis!!
Fun to say...hard to spell!...haaaaa
@@shugemery Hey Shug, just wanted to say that you are a hoot! Love your videos and your humor!
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Salut!
@@shugemery tabernac! Tu es dites-moi! Merveleux!😁👍
I prefer rope
Old school.
Cinch bugs, you know, manganese. Alot of people dont know what that is. Nitrogen!
You lost me there.......
shugemery he’s riffing on a quote from the movie Caddyshack. Bill Murray as Carl Spackler, Assistant Greenskeeper.
Need more ridiculous Sean Emory....
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