For non-EV-owners: videos like this are just fun tests and have no relation to normal use. People often think charging an EV is the worst thing about them, but it's actually one of the best. I've owned a Model 3 for a year-and-a-half and have only ever used the 240v outlet in my garage. For the vast majority of people, stopping at a charger to charge would only happen a couple of times a year around holiday road trips. It's so rare that it's actually kind of a fun part of the road trip. I've used a Supercharger with a different Tesla, and it's a chance to rest your eyes, get lunch or a snack, check in with loved ones, or play a video game on the console.
Tysto i have owned a model 3 for 15 months and have 35,000 miles. Charging on trips can be a pain in the ass. Sure 15 or 20 minute charges in isolation are no big deal. On a long trip, that can add up to a reduction of 120 or 180 miles one can travel in a day. I love my 3, but i am also honest about its shortcomings.
Tysto Absolutely that is part of normal use. People across the country take long trips routinely. Just look up statistics on AA. If what you said is true, then there would be no need for superchargers.
@@jase1125 very true. However, the upside is that you NEVER spend 5 minutes once a week (52 weeks x 5 minutes = 4hours a year) inside a gas station, never wait in line for an oil change, never do tune up, any other gas related maintenance. Supercharging takes time but you make it up some other way due to your car being battery
im literally sitting here for about 3 hrs now just watching like most of your videos from your trips! no idea why i keep watching but it's entertaining thanks for helping me pass time on my sunday afternoon in Italy!!
I recently got my first Tesla (2020 Model 3) and I am loving these road trip videos...glad I found this channel! Keep them coming. I have learned a lot watching these and look forward to my first real road trip!
@@OutofSpecMotoring The cannonball run format is far more entertaining than the standard road trip vids that I've seen. I'd love to try it in my P100D sometime!
@@dwaynechaulk7387 he explains on other videos that if you charge the car at its highest rate while you stop and then run to the next station. This is quicker than charging higher as the charge rate reduces as the battery gets fuller (usually 70 - 80%). Therefore you will be waiting longer but really it is what works for you.
Range mode significantly limits battery heating, which reduces your supercharging speeds on road trips. Best is to turn range mode off when you are road tripping. Range mode is good for a lot of short trips around town (like holiday shopping or running errands throughout the day) because it prevents energy from being wasted on battery heating. With range mode off, you should see 120+ kW on that 100D up to about 50% state of charge.
I'm in love with these road trip videos-- as a road-trip-aholic myself, I love learning the nuances of supercharging on cross-country trips! I'll be doing the same soon!
28:36 the supercharger in angola is where I go to college. Trine university is just down the road. I had no idea there was a charger there until last year. (I've been there for 3)
If you’re patient you can find pretty good deals on used from Tesla. Picked up a 2017 100D with 18k on it for 65k. They come with free unlimited SC on the 100’s and 2-4 year 50k on the warranty in most cases. Took two months but they pop up every now and then. You can google website to notify you when Tesla posts new cars or reduces prices.
@@101realtor Model S is very good but Model Y will have faster charge and completely redesigned interconnectivity in between components for reliability. Also S is too big but Y will be sized to fit most consumers.
@@nevco8774 I wasn't saying one was better than the other, just that deals can be had on any car if you're patient and shop. Some of those deals come with extra perks like supercharging and warranties. Everyone has their preference on which car they'll go with.
I just bought my Porsche 996 a month ago from that same dealership. They get a lot of good trades and they want that floor space for their Jeep sales. Justin over there was awesome. I was even able to talk to the previous owner of my vehicle which sealed the deal. Plus the 6 grand I saved helped. Good luck with the Tesla!
Just picked up a really nice P90DL on the Tesla site for dirt cheap too. Only draw back is the color wasnt my favorite but its growing on me. (Titanium Metallic) Only paid a few thousand more than you. Waiting on delivery now. Yall got a great deal, beautiful car!
Titanium grows on you! My friend Ben had a titanium X and after throwing on the black 22s it looked great. I used to hate it and now it’s one of my favorite colors
It looks like not going through Canada cost you about four hours. There's virtually no lines at the border in the morning hours, so it probably would have worked out fine even if they did have questions about the car. Good that you still made your flight though.
21:22 Regarding your heater; One of the unique features in our Kia Niro which we love is a "Driver Only Mode" for the heater/air conditioner which is MUCH more effecient than trying to heat the entire cabin. Another unique twist with the Niro is a 120 Volt outlet in the rear. You might have just noticed a white vehicle with Christmas Lights on it's roof. That was a Niro.
Not me watching these videos to cure my range anxiety knowing damn well I shouldn’t even be scared driving around my hometown when my battery drops from 80 to 79😫
14:58 The Rolling Meadows Meijer is where we used to have the biggest friday night car shows over summer's in northern IL. Man I miss those days. 2007-2010.
50K Miles and a fractional range drop - in sub-zero temperatures. That battery maintenance system is fantastic when you compare it to the Nissan Leaf or Renault ZOE where that is sorely lacking and as a result, loses 30% of its' range after similar distances covered.
I have visited most of those Superchargers, so found this interesting. My model X gives much the same charging profile, rarely speeds up until 20% and starts ramping down over 50%
That's exactly why it was mildly infuriating that he was letting the battery pack go so low. Below 20% charging speed was in the 60's and above 50% charging speed was still in the 90's. So, it would have been a much better strategy to keep the charge between 20 and 80 percent (or wherever the charging speed tapers below 60 kwh as the pack charges up).
Keeping the battery between 20 - 80% seems best. Looks like going much below 20% actually slows the charge speed ramp up and it takes longer to charge.
That seems to be more the case with the newer curves. It used to hit max speed at 3% - not sure if it’s to protect the handles / cables (less amps when pack voltage is low) or a cost thing
I saw that you said you wanted to reset in order to clear out the old trips and free up memory so MCU could be a little less laggy. Just FYI you can manually delete trips one by one by swiping them to the right .. it's not ideal but if you are just sitting at a supercharger for 20+ minutes you can clear everything out without the need to reset. I do it to all the loaners I get as a way for me to help out the car because I know no one else is doing that for loaners
The Waterloo NY charger is my favorite on the thruway. That casino has a nice coffee bar with great brownies and those poofy chairs. The Utica one is the shittiest. And it can be a nightmare to get out of if you take the wrong road leaving.
Really cool video and you got a great deal on that car and it's beautiful.. Interesting to see the reality of road tripping in a electric car. Definitely more of a pain in the ass, Not sure I would want to be stopping so often and dealing with the charging situation. I'm more of a fill my gas tank in 3 minutes drive 400 miles Non-Stop. And repeat. My record is 1200 miles in 17 hrs. 2008 Prius 314000 miles. But that model S is sure as hell nicer to drive I bet.. Congrats on the new car.... Definitely really nice.
I once drove from Duluth MN to Houston Texas, straight. That’s not safe....will never do that again. I think planning stops every few hundred miles makes sense.
@@fpartidafpartida All depends on your personal capabilities. I'm a former truck driver used to driving long hours. but you are correct the trick is to take regular breaks at some interval whatever happens to be good for you.for me it's about every 350 miles or so I stopped refuel the car get a non sugary drink that's important and a protein snack like cheese cubes or beef jerky. It's important to stay away from the sugary crap. Take a little stretch break get back in the car and repeat that. I will absolutely never ever drive while I am sleepy . being physically tired I can work through by stopping and stretching and taking a break walking around a little bit. but as soon as I start to get sleepy I find a rest area convert my car into sleep mode something I really like about the Prius is you can camp in it quite easily. And get a good night's sleep and continue driving. I think very shortly we will start to see electric vehicles that could do this same task but it's not quite there yet even with Tesla's. Also as I age I may find that I need longer breaks than I currently take... and I totally admit that many people already would need regular longer breaks than I do.. in which case the 15 to 30 minutes stops with an electric vehicle might be something good for them already.
@@kens97sto171 Tesla's have Camper Mode which allows keeping the HVAC turned on when the car is otherwise off. The rear seats can be folded down so it's possible to stretch out and go to sleep. There are aftermarket accessories for a fitted foldable mattress and insulated panels for the windows and glass roof so the HVAC doesn't have to work as hard in extreme temperatures while also providing privacy.
@@bburton333 definitely it's nice that they have those features. I wish that the car was a lift back because the narrowing area where the seats fold down definitely reduces the usability for camping but you can certainly do it. Basically the same process I use in my Prius. Although the car is powered up completely there is no camper mode. you can lock the car easily enough From the inside however if you get out of the car you cannot block the car while it's running easily. If I had a full tank of gas I could "idle" For approximately three days continuously, during the summer time. During the winter time it uses a bit more fuel.. you could probably idle for 2 days continuously during the winter. Of course the amount of fuel consumed is going to correlate with the outside temperature.
I'm from AK and can confirm there are no toll booths up there :) Would love to see you drive up there, that's definitely been a dream of mine for awhile, hope Elon get superchargers up there soon!
LOL Kyle, great to have you visit the Chicago area. Yeah, we drive fucking nutso fast here, don't matter the conditions, or even if cops are there LOL. One thing I've noticed in my 10 years ish of driving in Chicago is that some drivers follow the go-fast-in-the-zoom-lane and other completely ignore it. Kinda makes for better driving but also kinda ups the shit show factor as well. Still better than Florida drivers. And also, that nighttime low of 27F is actually quite cold for December I'd say (not sure what it's like for you over in Colorado, but given we are several thousand feet lower in altitude, I'd assume we're a wee bit warmer). Our winters are FAR warmer and have way higher relative humidity index (due to warm and moist gulf air masses) than Minneapolis' ones, though, when the polar vortex strikes we are no stranger to a little negative temps here and there. Definitely not normal though. Even in the dead of winter daily high temps usually hit around 25-30F, it's the wind chill that'll kill ya and rip your body heat away in seconds. Its that dastardly year round constant humidity. Something also to consider is that our climate is even more mild than it would be because the Great Lakes moderate our weather year round. Warmer winters and Cooler Summers (relatively that is). I'd say our summers are still stupid hot (I would NOT recommend visiting here in the summer tbh), and our winter still gets fairly cold regardless. Our climate is weird, but I love it.
Why is the charging power so different from supercharger cabinet to cabinet in the same location and sometimes it charges really good up to 45 % is the chargeamerica/chargecanada more constant ?
So many factors. Tesla has really good software to protect components so it ramps power down for various reasons. It’s becoming more frequent on newer updates and as equipment ages. I’ll do a whole video on this in the next week or two, nobody is talking about this and it’s really annoying
Absolutely awesome 😎 efficiency for such a heavy EV, and during cold ❄️🥶 weather conditions at that! Also, very impressive low battery 🔋 degradation for a 50,000 mile EV! Thanks for sharing, Kyle!
I still do not like proprietary connector so you will have to use an adapter for chademo in case you are close to that charger and is not close to Tesla supercharger. I know new Model 3 in Europe come with CCS connector so you can charge at non Tesla chargers. There is not such convenience for models used in North America which is sad.
@@OutofSpecMotoring People do not like sometimes beaurocratic rules and regulations of European Union but because of those regulations and standardization requirements Tesla Model 3 ended up with CCS compatible connector which is awesome.
Chademo in the US pretty much sucks though, mostly limited to 50Kw. At least out in the southeast area. CCS is different, but part of me likes the proprietary because why should all the other companies benefit from Tesla doing that hard work for 5 years before they get their crap together. Besides the Tesla connector is so much easier to manage than those big honkin CCS things. Some are so heavy they won't connect on my bolt/cause charging errors.
Did you notify Tesla of the chargers that were out of service or had problems ? The sooner they know about the Super Charger problems the sooner they will get fixed.
You and Bjorn Nyland should do a competition because he drives down to 5% and charges for up to an hour at each stop. I drive an Ioniq and favour the shorter and more often charging approach that you use.
Wow your maps were out of date. From Erie you should have been on I86E, there is a 150+ Supercharger newly commissioned in Painted Post, NY. No Buffalo BS. No Thruway traffic.
On all those prior saved destinations in the gps you can swipe right on them individually to delete them. It won't delete all with one click but if you are sitting at a charger you can delete them one by one to clear it out. Also I went from my model S to my LR AWD 3, the MCU is alot faster on the 3 and the charging was a ton faster on my new 3 than my 85d I had. Crazy how much of a difference it is between processors.
Heya, at @33 mins. you may slide addresses out to the right. Just hold and slide the address to delete it. It'll speed up the computer, not a lot, negligible but still good to have them out.
Non stop? I don't think so. Unless you have a generator in the trunk attached to the charge port. But then again, I don't think it would allow you to charge while driving.
Great video. Tesla’s Nav should have a ‘fast frequent charge’ option to recommend charging stops for long trips like you use; charge fast more often when car is at 10-15% and only for as long as the charger is working near full power till car 60+% full. Glad you got your flight.
The NYS Thru way costs more than charging. The S and X have free charging but even the model 3 costs is less that thruway. The weather can also get you . I used to live in Syracuse and worked all over the state. The lake effect in Syracuse is big . I'm glad to made it with no problems and in a great Tesla.
I did that experiment if you watch towards the end and it made no difference. You would think the car would precondition for supercharging either way, but it didn’t.
The chargers you're calling "V1" are actually V2. There aren't any V1 chargers remaining in North America that I'm aware of. V2 comes in two flavors ... 120 kW and 150 kW ... most have been upgraded to 150 kW via software. As mentioned in my previous comment, many of your charging speed issues are due to using range mode (not all - some appear to be issues with the superchargers themselves). edit: just got to the 40 minute mark in your video where you have the range mode realization. :)
It seems the charging stations dictate your path vs you. It would be interesting to see how it goes IF you dictated the trip instead of the charging stations.
Kyle, could you please post the details of the trip if possible? Miles, kwh consumed, cost of Superchargers, how many superchargers needed... I like numbers, I live in a relatively small country and data like this is interesting to consume.
@@OutofSpecMotoring That´s alright, I really enjoyed the video. Unfortunately in country taxes and registration are super high, even with the 50% off for EVs you still pay almost 19% of the cost of the vehicle when imported... that 60 grand car final cost of adquisition would be around 77,000.
@@Studio23Media Agreed, but as we know, gas and Diesel engines were still taking 2nd place to the horse and oxen at the onset. Yes, it's just a matter of time. ;-)
@@Studio23Media This was a torture test, and it still did great. For a family trip with leisurely stops for meals and rests, it's more than equal to the task.
It is charging slow because if you start charging almost empty lithium battery with full speed right away, the battery will start losing its overall capacity much faster especially in cold weather. So what I think is that Tesla wants to maintain a good battery life for the cars. But only a theory though.
You are right about the lithium battery, and in this case too. Look at laptop lithium batteries, they always go less and less the more you use the laptop with battery attached and using the powergrid. Met this guy and asked him if het had a new e-car, but he said that he loaned his (VW) for a colleague's JAG... because its battery charged soooooooooo sloooooooooow........ Wauw! (There must be an example in this.)
So just a thought, and not trying to be critical I don't know a great deal about charging, most of what I've learned has come from this video. But by allowing your battery to drop below that 20% threshold are you not increasing the battery charging time by having to deal with increased ramp times to the 20% mark? More so than simply allowing it to ramp down from 45% would cause in loss of time?
that's interesting, my model 3Performance 2020 (no heatpump) here in switzerland have average at 120kmh (75mph) with winter temperatures between 0 and -10°c (15-25°F) my average consumption is 220Wh/km (355Wh/mi) with 19"inch winter wheel set - Summer at same speeds 310Wh/km of course in 20 inch
EVs are slick, they got a ways to go though before they are practical enough for those of us not wishing to be beta testers.... I mean early adapters. I keep looking for info now and again so I can try to get a feel when these things will really be ready for primetime. Seems its going to be another 5 years at least. I know I could not make a road trip like that. Would have just put it on a hauler and got there in half the time or sooner. Glad there are enthusiasts like you and others out there that allow this tech to push forward faster.
He's stopping at each supercharger for only 10 minutes or so. This is totally abnormal. It's called Cannonballing. Normally you'd charge while you had a meal and then drive for half a day.
What a great find. Those are some nice parking spots at 12:35. I wish Tesla would paint all of them like that - harder to plead ignorance for ICE vehicles. Tesla says "you won't make it to the next SC yet" - Kyle "hold my beer, I'm going to leave now". Haha, Thanks for mentioning to update Plugshare to show Superchargers that are not working properly. Maybe you will find out it has FSD and hence eventually the new computer with this new S. That will help the display lag. I wish Tesla would let you pick fastest charging/trip or shortest number of charging stops.
I’ve been wanting that exact feature as well as a symbol to suggest which charging stall to plug into when arriving at a supercharger (based on health and sharing cabinets)
Just discovered your channel and I'm very impressed. Could I ask one small favour? You can probably tell from the spelling of "favour". Could you add metric equivalents as a text overlay? when you say -2º that's pretty warm in our minds. Outside the US, most countries use metric for temperature and distance. No need to speak it, but having it as a text overlay would be great!
Good point. The USA is the 3% of the Earth's population that still use primarily, their original parent, British, Imperial units ! Where I grew up (in NZ) we even had Imperial money (pounds, shillings and pence, with 12 pennies being one shilling and 20 shillings being one pound, updated to dollars and cents in 1967) plus we went full metric S.I. standard international units for everything else in the early 1970's, so I learnt both as we changed as I was in middle-school. Some things I still only think of in Imperial though (like a car's fuel consumption in Miles Per Gallon. I count all the litres and kilometres then convert it to mpg) whereas some things I only think of in metric (as in temperatures, 0 degrees Celsius is just the point of freezing (ie 32 Fahrenheit).
I used to live in Canada so perhaps I’m too used to doing conversions mentally. However 80%+ of our viewership is from the US. I usually do add metric components to our overlays when I do our road trips with data (check out our Colorado trip etc)
@@OutofSpecMotoring If 80% of viewership is US-based nevermind the text overlay its a waste of your time. It's a mistake to try and be all things to all people. Focus on the 80% it's the core of your viewers/business. I'm Canadian.
@@OutofSpecMotoring Thank you for the video! Im trying to figure out if its better to fully charge for fewer stops or quick and more frequent charges. What is the lowest level you are comfortable letting the battery discharge?
Tony, it depends on your car. Model 3s have good charging speeds from around 1-2% so that’s what I shoot to pull in with. Not the best thing for the pack but the quickest way to travel to take advantage of the fastest part of the charging curve. Using my method of prioritizing charging only during peak speeds I broke the cannonball record by many hours
The "cannibal" verbiage was hilarious...Like someone else mentioned your knowledge of these Tesla's made this pretty epic. You worked that infotainment system like watching CNN's John King at the magic wall during a presidential election.
Usually dealers reserve the right to correct incorrect listings. How did you get past that? Were you worried about your having the correction made once you arrived?
I wonder if when Kyle is filling up at a gas station and the pump is delivering less than 5 gallons a minute, does he move to one that pumps 6 gallons per minute.
Pack health, cost, cable health, or charging equipment. Keep in mind it was at its peak when we did our cannonball run (thankfully) and has drastically reduced since then
@@OutofSpecMotoring I believe that Tesla must have a reason to change it, and in other subject your way of charging is not the typical one, you are always on cannon ball mode.
I have a model 3 and I’d hate to take it on a long road trip, way too much time lost at charge stops, forget the costs, my time is far more important than a few dollars for fuel. My ev great for local stuff but that’s it for me. Great video by the way, shows how inconvenient these ev’s are for long journeys
Do you prefer the model 3 and the large off center display or do you like the S version that has the huge center display plus the display behind the wheel?
By the way , how is the grandfather of Alysa doing with the model 3 that he bought in Florida ?? ... I really hope he is doing well , he looked so amazed with his new car. Anyway, thanks for the great video, you have all this energy when riding a Tesla !
Probably 20 minutes or so each stop depending on how far off the highway they are - if you look at how we set the EV cannonball record it was using a method similar to this.
How do you drive 1) without rear view camera on screen 2) with your cup in the UPPER cup holder instead of lower? (I always knock them over in upper cup holder)
had a similar experience. Was looking for a 90D.. found one that was mis-listed as a 85D and was priced accordingly. Didn't get as good deal as you did, but probably one of the lowest priced 90Ds I'd ever seen
You should definatly have taken the Canadian route. At that time of day the 401 is empty, you can easily do 139 km/h without worrying about getting pulled over on that stretch.
The maximum possible (and safe) charging current of a lithium ion battery decreases with age and wear. So thatˋs more of a hardware thing than a software thing.
Kyle, do you find the touchscreen on the S to be "laggy" compared to the 3? Ive watched all your videos and notice when you are trip planning on the 3 it seems very smooth and during this video it appeared to lag a tiny bit
Kind of lame you didn’t mention the full trip miles, number of charges and amount of time at charging stations. Would have been helpful to see its performance in these cold temps.
For non-EV-owners: videos like this are just fun tests and have no relation to normal use. People often think charging an EV is the worst thing about them, but it's actually one of the best. I've owned a Model 3 for a year-and-a-half and have only ever used the 240v outlet in my garage. For the vast majority of people, stopping at a charger to charge would only happen a couple of times a year around holiday road trips. It's so rare that it's actually kind of a fun part of the road trip. I've used a Supercharger with a different Tesla, and it's a chance to rest your eyes, get lunch or a snack, check in with loved ones, or play a video game on the console.
Here in Italy, same thing! People don't want understand!
Tysto i have owned a model 3 for 15 months and have 35,000 miles. Charging on trips can be a pain in the ass. Sure 15 or 20 minute charges in isolation are no big deal. On a long trip, that can add up to a reduction of 120 or 180 miles one can travel in a day. I love my 3, but i am also honest about its shortcomings.
jason I’m talking about normal use. Multi-day trips cross-country are not normal use.
Tysto Absolutely that is part of normal use. People across the country take long trips routinely. Just look up statistics on AA. If what you said is true, then there would be no need for superchargers.
@@jase1125 very true. However, the upside is that you NEVER spend 5 minutes once a week (52 weeks x 5 minutes = 4hours a year) inside a gas station, never wait in line for an oil change, never do tune up, any other gas related maintenance. Supercharging takes time but you make it up some other way due to your car being battery
im literally sitting here for about 3 hrs now just watching like most of your videos from your trips! no idea why i keep watching but it's entertaining thanks for helping me pass time on my sunday afternoon in Italy!!
wish i just knew how to make the money for Tesla XD
@@CrushEveryoneLV make Teala vids on youtube. Reach 60.000 subscribers and youtube will pay the monthly fee for a brand new tesla. 😀
Getting a Tesla soon… planning to make videos driving around without talking
I recently got my first Tesla (2020 Model 3) and I am loving these road trip videos...glad I found this channel! Keep them coming. I have learned a lot watching these and look forward to my first real road trip!
Epic drive and strangely entertaining just watching you hop from charging station to charging station. Thanks for the excellent video!
We have a whole bunch of these and more to come! Enjoy
@@OutofSpecMotoring The cannonball run format is far more entertaining than the standard road trip vids that I've seen. I'd love to try it in my P100D sometime!
Was wondering why so many charging stations and get alittle charge and not stay at one longer to charge up longer and get closer to 90-100%
@@dwaynechaulk7387 he explains on other videos that if you charge the car at its highest rate while you stop and then run to the next station. This is quicker than charging higher as the charge rate reduces as the battery gets fuller (usually 70 - 80%). Therefore you will be waiting longer but really it is what works for you.
Clicked on a random OOS motoring video and finally get to see you visit my hometown supercharger in Waterloo, super neat!
Range mode significantly limits battery heating, which reduces your supercharging speeds on road trips. Best is to turn range mode off when you are road tripping. Range mode is good for a lot of short trips around town (like holiday shopping or running errands throughout the day) because it prevents energy from being wasted on battery heating.
With range mode off, you should see 120+ kW on that 100D up to about 50% state of charge.
He turned range mode off.
Awesome try, next time watch the video. You will see that he did try it.
I'm in love with these road trip videos-- as a road-trip-aholic myself, I love learning the nuances of supercharging on cross-country trips! I'll be doing the same soon!
28:36 the supercharger in angola is where I go to college. Trine university is just down the road. I had no idea there was a charger there until last year. (I've been there for 3)
Damn man what a deal. For a while I thought my first Tesla was gonna come from a dealer because of huge mistakes like this!
Awesome to meet you here, Dirty! Huge Fan of both of your channels!
@@peterprivacy5034 Spill the beans on his other channel man!
If you’re patient you can find pretty good deals on used from Tesla. Picked up a 2017 100D with 18k on it for 65k. They come with free unlimited SC on the 100’s and 2-4 year 50k on the warranty in most cases. Took two months but they pop up every now and then. You can google website to notify you when Tesla posts new cars or reduces prices.
@@101realtor Model S is very good but Model Y will have faster charge and completely redesigned interconnectivity in between components for reliability. Also S is too big but Y will be sized to fit most consumers.
@@nevco8774 I wasn't saying one was better than the other, just that deals can be had on any car if you're patient and shop. Some of those deals come with extra perks like supercharging and warranties. Everyone has their preference on which car they'll go with.
I just bought my Porsche 996 a month ago from that same dealership. They get a lot of good trades and they want that floor space for their Jeep sales. Justin over there was awesome. I was even able to talk to the previous owner of my vehicle which sealed the deal. Plus the 6 grand I saved helped.
Good luck with the Tesla!
Very cool! Yes, they were great and very accommodating.
Shoutout from a Future Tesla Owner Native Rockford,IL Resident. hope your enjoyed your stop!
Did you get it 😮
Lol! Rockford is a pit. Smh
Just picked up a really nice P90DL on the Tesla site for dirt cheap too. Only draw back is the color wasnt my favorite but its growing on me. (Titanium Metallic) Only paid a few thousand more than you. Waiting on delivery now. Yall got a great deal, beautiful car!
Titanium grows on you! My friend Ben had a titanium X and after throwing on the black 22s it looked great. I used to hate it and now it’s one of my favorite colors
@@OutofSpecMotoring you know all about the kilowatts smart dude Kyle!! And how's the Mach-E doing?? You getting used to it??
I need to start vlogging my trips like this.
It looks like not going through Canada cost you about four hours. There's virtually no lines at the border in the morning hours, so it probably would have worked out fine even if they did have questions about the car. Good that you still made your flight though.
Yes it likely did add some time. Agreed about short lines at the border during those hours.
But his point was that having mismatched registration papers could have gotten him denied entry to Canada or perhaps detained, even.
21:22 Regarding your heater;
One of the unique features in our Kia Niro which we love is a "Driver Only Mode" for the heater/air conditioner which is MUCH more effecient than trying to heat the entire cabin.
Another unique twist with the Niro is a 120 Volt outlet in the rear. You might have just noticed a white vehicle with Christmas Lights on it's roof. That was a Niro.
Yes if you look at some of my other road trips I always used Driver Only Mode in the Kona EV
Don’t know if you took HVAC off of sync mode so it only heated driver
A better route planner online makes trip planning a lot easier
Yes, I use it all the time
Meh. Drove mine from Atlanta to Boston just using the built in map and had zero issues
Not me watching these videos to cure my range anxiety knowing damn well I shouldn’t even be scared driving around my hometown when my battery drops from 80 to 79😫
Glad you made it, with the deal of the year. Thanks for the video.
14:58 The Rolling Meadows Meijer is where we used to have the biggest friday night car shows over summer's in northern IL. Man I miss those days. 2007-2010.
Glad I found your channel. Bought a 2021 model 3 and live in North Dakota. Was worried about the winter. Glad they work great.
Congrats on the deal. I can see how that trip timing can be stressful. Great video.
Hay I live in Northern Ohio you just went right through there
I test drove that exact car! Surprised at how good of a deal it was
Wow, awesome!
50K Miles and a fractional range drop - in sub-zero temperatures. That battery maintenance system is fantastic when you compare it to the Nissan Leaf or Renault ZOE where that is sorely lacking and as a result, loses 30% of its' range after similar distances covered.
Thermal management for batteries is very important for batteries
Crazy, I saw your car charging in Utica. Great cold vid.
Hey, @Out of Spec Motoring, I’m in Cary, NC! Thanks for the video. I’m thinking about getting a Model S.
Just wanted to say hi. I'm moving to Cary and am getting a Tesla S to do a road trip there with my pup.
Best i found in the UK is £55,000 ($73,000) for nearly the same spec, what a steal you got! great video :)
Great video, thanks. Range is everything.
I would say a fast charging curve is more important than range in some cases
I have visited most of those Superchargers, so found this interesting. My model X gives much the same charging profile, rarely speeds up until 20% and starts ramping down over 50%
Agreed, I have recorded some older charging curves on 100kWh packs. Will have to reference
That's exactly why it was mildly infuriating that he was letting the battery pack go so low. Below 20% charging speed was in the 60's and above 50% charging speed was still in the 90's. So, it would have been a much better strategy to keep the charge between 20 and 80 percent (or wherever the charging speed tapers below 60 kwh as the pack charges up).
Nice sound when you exited there Kyle!!
Keeping the battery between 20 - 80% seems best.
Looks like going much below 20% actually slows the charge speed ramp up and it takes longer to charge.
That seems to be more the case with the newer curves. It used to hit max speed at 3% - not sure if it’s to protect the handles / cables (less amps when pack voltage is low) or a cost thing
I think pack temperature has a lot to do with charge rates.
@@staudtj1 I agree - especially at low charge level.
I saw that you said you wanted to reset in order to clear out the old trips and free up memory so MCU could be a little less laggy. Just FYI you can manually delete trips one by one by swiping them to the right .. it's not ideal but if you are just sitting at a supercharger for 20+ minutes you can clear everything out without the need to reset. I do it to all the loaners I get as a way for me to help out the car because I know no one else is doing that for loaners
I know... there were years worth of address and my hand got tired swiping lol
The Waterloo NY charger is my favorite on the thruway. That casino has a nice coffee bar with great brownies and those poofy chairs.
The Utica one is the shittiest. And it can be a nightmare to get out of if you take the wrong road leaving.
There’s a few superchargers at a casinos and it’s a great idea! Always premium restrooms / dining options
Really cool video and you got a great deal on that car and it's beautiful..
Interesting to see the reality of road tripping in a electric car.
Definitely more of a pain in the ass,
Not sure I would want to be stopping so often and dealing with the charging situation.
I'm more of a fill my gas tank in 3 minutes drive 400 miles Non-Stop.
And repeat.
My record is 1200 miles in 17 hrs.
2008 Prius 314000 miles.
But that model S is sure as hell nicer to drive I bet..
Congrats on the new car.... Definitely really nice.
I once drove from Duluth MN to Houston Texas, straight. That’s not safe....will never do that again. I think planning stops every few hundred miles makes sense.
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All depends on your personal capabilities. I'm a former truck driver used to driving long hours.
but you are correct the trick is to take regular breaks at some interval whatever happens to be good for you.for me it's about every 350 miles or so I stopped refuel the car get a non sugary drink that's important and a protein snack like cheese cubes or beef jerky. It's important to stay away from the sugary crap.
Take a little stretch break get back in the car and repeat that.
I will absolutely never ever drive while I am sleepy .
being physically tired I can work through by stopping and stretching and taking a break walking around a little bit.
but as soon as I start to get sleepy I find a rest area convert my car into sleep mode something I really like about the Prius is you can camp in it quite easily.
And get a good night's sleep and continue driving.
I think very shortly we will start to see electric vehicles that could do this same task but it's not quite there yet even with Tesla's.
Also as I age I may find that I need longer breaks than I currently take...
and I totally admit that many people already would need regular longer breaks than I do..
in which case the 15 to 30 minutes stops with an electric vehicle might be something good for them already.
@@kens97sto171 Tesla's have Camper Mode which allows keeping the HVAC turned on when the car is otherwise off. The rear seats can be folded down so it's possible to stretch out and go to sleep. There are aftermarket accessories for a fitted foldable mattress and insulated panels for the windows and glass roof so the HVAC doesn't have to work as hard in extreme temperatures while also providing privacy.
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definitely it's nice that they have those features. I wish that the car was a lift back because the narrowing area where the seats fold down definitely reduces the usability for camping but you can certainly do it.
Basically the same process I use in my Prius. Although the car is powered up completely there is no camper mode.
you can lock the car easily enough From the inside however if you get out of the car you cannot block the car while it's running easily.
If I had a full tank of gas I could "idle"
For approximately three days continuously, during the summer time.
During the winter time it uses a bit more fuel.. you could probably idle for 2 days continuously during the winter.
Of course the amount of fuel consumed is going to correlate with the outside temperature.
I'm from AK and can confirm there are no toll booths up there :)
Would love to see you drive up there, that's definitely been a dream of mine for awhile, hope Elon get superchargers up there soon!
2020 Alaska EV trip! Has to happen
Can they even charge tolls for dirt roads? Haha, Inneed to get to AK
LOL Kyle, great to have you visit the Chicago area. Yeah, we drive fucking nutso fast here, don't matter the conditions, or even if cops are there LOL. One thing I've noticed in my 10 years ish of driving in Chicago is that some drivers follow the go-fast-in-the-zoom-lane and other completely ignore it. Kinda makes for better driving but also kinda ups the shit show factor as well. Still better than Florida drivers.
And also, that nighttime low of 27F is actually quite cold for December I'd say (not sure what it's like for you over in Colorado, but given we are several thousand feet lower in altitude, I'd assume we're a wee bit warmer). Our winters are FAR warmer and have way higher relative humidity index (due to warm and moist gulf air masses) than Minneapolis' ones, though, when the polar vortex strikes we are no stranger to a little negative temps here and there. Definitely not normal though. Even in the dead of winter daily high temps usually hit around 25-30F, it's the wind chill that'll kill ya and rip your body heat away in seconds. Its that dastardly year round constant humidity. Something also to consider is that our climate is even more mild than it would be because the Great Lakes moderate our weather year round. Warmer winters and Cooler Summers (relatively that is). I'd say our summers are still stupid hot (I would NOT recommend visiting here in the summer tbh), and our winter still gets fairly cold regardless. Our climate is weird, but I love it.
I keep waiting to hear what year is this car ?
Why is the charging power so different from supercharger cabinet to cabinet in the same location and sometimes it charges really good up to 45 % is the chargeamerica/chargecanada more constant ?
So many factors. Tesla has really good software to protect components so it ramps power down for various reasons. It’s becoming more frequent on newer updates and as equipment ages. I’ll do a whole video on this in the next week or two, nobody is talking about this and it’s really annoying
Absolutely awesome 😎 efficiency for such a heavy EV, and during cold ❄️🥶 weather conditions at that! Also, very impressive low battery 🔋 degradation for a 50,000 mile EV!
Thanks for sharing, Kyle!
I still do not like proprietary connector so you will have to use an adapter for chademo in case you are close to that charger and is not close to Tesla supercharger. I know new Model 3 in Europe come with CCS connector so you can charge at non Tesla chargers. There is not such convenience for models used in North America which is sad.
Agreed 100% Tesla needs a CCS adapter ASAP - no news that they are working on it though. I’m all for everything going CCS only
@@OutofSpecMotoring People do not like sometimes beaurocratic rules and regulations of European Union but because of those regulations and standardization requirements Tesla Model 3 ended up with CCS compatible connector which is awesome.
Chademo in the US pretty much sucks though, mostly limited to 50Kw. At least out in the southeast area. CCS is different, but part of me likes the proprietary because why should all the other companies benefit from Tesla doing that hard work for 5 years before they get their crap together. Besides the Tesla connector is so much easier to manage than those big honkin CCS things. Some are so heavy they won't connect on my bolt/cause charging errors.
So cool seeing downtown Cleveland which is 15 minutes from me
Did you notify Tesla of the chargers that were out of service or had problems ?
The sooner they know about the Super Charger problems the sooner they will get fixed.
They specifically say not to tell them. Everything is monitored remotely
@@OutofSpecMotoring Wow - did not know that.
Hey that Fury motors. I bought my first car there!
Alligator alley in FL also has fast af drivers going in packs
The infotainment center is so laggy
Yup, these earlier Model S have the slower MCU1. It's not as powerful as the newer cars.
Do you know of a car that is not? They are all low res and laggy.
@@veneratedmortal4369 Not the Tesla's from the last year or two. Smooth as an iPhone
@@naarealy Can confirm. Model 3's screen is basically an iPad on a post.
You and Bjorn Nyland should do a competition because he drives down to 5% and charges for up to an hour at each stop. I drive an Ioniq and favour the shorter and more often charging approach that you use.
We may just have to do that
@@OutofSpecMotoring , I second that suggestion! Bjørn and you seem to be kings of the EV road trips.
Wow your maps were out of date. From Erie you should have been on I86E, there is a 150+ Supercharger newly commissioned in Painted Post, NY. No Buffalo BS. No Thruway traffic.
I wanted to see you drop it off :(
On all those prior saved destinations in the gps you can swipe right on them individually to delete them. It won't delete all with one click but if you are sitting at a charger you can delete them one by one to clear it out.
Also I went from my model S to my LR AWD 3, the MCU is alot faster on the 3 and the charging was a ton faster on my new 3 than my 85d I had. Crazy how much of a difference it is between processors.
Yes I know about the swiping, my hand got tired swiping for almost an hour. Felt like I was back on tinder! 🤣
@@OutofSpecMotoring haha well played!
Can you add up how much time total it took to do all the charging and put it in the description for your future videos?
So weird I used to live in Rockford but wasn't randomly expecting to recognize the mall behind the charging stalls!
Heya, at @33 mins. you may slide addresses out to the right. Just hold and slide the address to delete it. It'll speed up the computer, not a lot, negligible but still good to have them out.
I was doing that but my hand got tired of swiping lol
Non stop? I don't think so. Unless you have a generator in the trunk attached to the charge port. But then again, I don't think it would allow you to charge while driving.
Great video. Tesla’s Nav should have a ‘fast frequent charge’ option to recommend charging stops for long trips like you use; charge fast more often when car is at 10-15% and only for as long as the charger is working near full power till car 60+% full. Glad you got your flight.
Great vid, maybe good tip is go for higher # chargers first, like 4A... etc
The NYS Thru way costs more than charging. The S and X have free charging but even the model 3 costs is less that thruway.
The weather can also get you . I used to live in Syracuse and worked all over the state. The lake effect in Syracuse is big . I'm glad to made it with no problems and in a great Tesla.
You passed right by my town in Mishawaka!
I’ll wave next time! Such a great name for a town
You need to turn off range mode to get the best charging speed :-)
I did that experiment if you watch towards the end and it made no difference. You would think the car would precondition for supercharging either way, but it didn’t.
@@OutofSpecMotoring Later on the pack was probably warm from driving and chargin so often anyways?
The chargers you're calling "V1" are actually V2. There aren't any V1 chargers remaining in North America that I'm aware of. V2 comes in two flavors ... 120 kW and 150 kW ... most have been upgraded to 150 kW via software. As mentioned in my previous comment, many of your charging speed issues are due to using range mode (not all - some appear to be issues with the superchargers themselves).
edit: just got to the 40 minute mark in your video where you have the range mode realization. :)
Glad you made the flight. Sorry for all the tolls here in the 716. Cool that you passed through though.
It seems the charging stations dictate your path vs you. It would be interesting to see how it goes IF you dictated the trip instead of the charging stations.
Hope you get to test a Taycan 4S, hopefully a much better charge curve at same temperatures.
Kyle, could you please post the details of the trip if possible? Miles, kwh consumed, cost of Superchargers, how many superchargers needed... I like numbers, I live in a relatively small country and data like this is interesting to consume.
Normally I do, but this trip wasn’t logged with TeslaFi and I honestly forgot to stay on top of it
@@OutofSpecMotoring That´s alright, I really enjoyed the video. Unfortunately in country taxes and registration are super high, even with the 50% off for EVs you still pay almost 19% of the cost of the vehicle when imported... that 60 grand car final cost of adquisition would be around 77,000.
How much time was spent overall sitting time vs a gasoline vehicle ??
Thank you**
How much pollution over the trip vs a gas/fossil fuel vehicle?
jimchik lol still would take gas over electric
Battery tech isn't really caught up to being worth it for road trips yet. Yes, it's possible, but if range is your priority, we aren't there yet.
@@Studio23Media Agreed, but as we know, gas and Diesel engines were still taking 2nd place to the horse and oxen at the onset. Yes, it's just a matter of time. ;-)
@@Studio23Media This was a torture test, and it still did great. For a family trip with leisurely stops for meals and rests, it's more than equal to the task.
It is charging slow because if you start charging almost empty lithium battery with full speed right away, the battery will start losing its overall capacity much faster especially in cold weather. So what I think is that Tesla wants to maintain a good battery life for the cars. But only a theory though.
You are right about the lithium battery, and in this case too. Look at laptop lithium batteries, they always go less and less the more you use the laptop with battery attached and using the powergrid. Met this guy and asked him if het had a new e-car, but he said that he loaned his (VW) for a colleague's JAG... because its battery charged soooooooooo sloooooooooow........ Wauw! (There must be an example in this.)
You shouldnt run range mode on road trips, only on short trips. You want the right temperature in the pack for charging speed:)
I wonder what the charging performance would be with CCS retrofit?
Intersting video thanks. But, why do loads of 50% charges and not a few less 80-90% charges???
Time
-2 degrees is cold? here in norway we dont get bothered about the cold until it hits the -15 mark
You’re thinking Celsius I’m talking Fahrenheit
-2 degree fahrenheit is -19 celsius by the way 😁🥶
So just a thought, and not trying to be critical I don't know a great deal about charging, most of what I've learned has come from this video. But by allowing your battery to drop below that 20% threshold are you not increasing the battery charging time by having to deal with increased ramp times to the 20% mark? More so than simply allowing it to ramp down from 45% would cause in loss of time?
Depends on the car. Most Teslas charge at full speed starting around 3%
that's interesting, my model 3Performance 2020 (no heatpump) here in switzerland have average at 120kmh (75mph) with winter temperatures between 0 and -10°c (15-25°F) my average consumption is 220Wh/km (355Wh/mi) with 19"inch winter wheel set - Summer at same speeds 310Wh/km of course in 20 inch
EVs are slick, they got a ways to go though before they are practical enough for those of us not wishing to be beta testers.... I mean early adapters. I keep looking for info now and again so I can try to get a feel when these things will really be ready for primetime. Seems its going to be another 5 years at least. I know I could not make a road trip like that. Would have just put it on a hauler and got there in half the time or sooner. Glad there are enthusiasts like you and others out there that allow this tech to push forward faster.
I love experiments on the rich.
He's stopping at each supercharger for only 10 minutes or so. This is totally abnormal. It's called Cannonballing. Normally you'd charge while you had a meal and then drive for half a day.
What a great find. Those are some nice parking spots at 12:35. I wish Tesla would paint all of them like that - harder to plead ignorance for ICE vehicles. Tesla says "you won't make it to the next SC yet" - Kyle "hold my beer, I'm going to leave now". Haha, Thanks for mentioning to update Plugshare to show Superchargers that are not working properly. Maybe you will find out it has FSD and hence eventually the new computer with this new S. That will help the display lag. I wish Tesla would let you pick fastest charging/trip or shortest number of charging stops.
I’ve been wanting that exact feature as well as a symbol to suggest which charging stall to plug into when arriving at a supercharger (based on health and sharing cabinets)
Just discovered your channel and I'm very impressed. Could I ask one small favour? You can probably tell from the spelling of "favour". Could you add metric equivalents as a text overlay? when you say -2º that's pretty warm in our minds. Outside the US, most countries use metric for temperature and distance. No need to speak it, but having it as a text overlay would be great!
Good point. The USA is the 3% of the Earth's population that still use primarily, their original parent, British, Imperial units ! Where I grew up (in NZ) we even had Imperial money (pounds, shillings and pence, with 12 pennies being one shilling and 20 shillings being one pound, updated to dollars and cents in 1967) plus we went full metric S.I. standard international units for everything else in the early 1970's, so I learnt both as we changed as I was in middle-school. Some things I still only think of in Imperial though (like a car's fuel consumption in Miles Per Gallon. I count all the litres and kilometres then convert it to mpg) whereas some things I only think of in metric (as in temperatures, 0 degrees Celsius is just the point of freezing (ie 32 Fahrenheit).
I used to live in Canada so perhaps I’m too used to doing conversions mentally. However 80%+ of our viewership is from the US. I usually do add metric components to our overlays when I do our road trips with data (check out our Colorado trip etc)
@@OutofSpecMotoring If 80% of viewership is US-based nevermind the text overlay its a waste of your time. It's a mistake to try and be all things to all people. Focus on the 80% it's the core of your viewers/business. I'm Canadian.
@@darylbrice The idea is to grow viewership, not limit it. I'm also Canadian.
@@Sgt_Glory Canadians will watch anyway and will Google the conversion if really interested.
Gee, all those endless stops at supercharging stations and only for $60K which is supposedly a great deal? Where do I sign up?
Most people would stop half the amount of stops for a little longer duration. It’s pretty easy to road trip actually I just take it to the extreme
@@OutofSpecMotoring Thank you for the video! Im trying to figure out if its better to fully charge for fewer stops or quick and more frequent charges. What is the lowest level you are comfortable letting the battery discharge?
Tony, it depends on your car. Model 3s have good charging speeds from around 1-2% so that’s what I shoot to pull in with. Not the best thing for the pack but the quickest way to travel to take advantage of the fastest part of the charging curve. Using my method of prioritizing charging only during peak speeds I broke the cannonball record by many hours
The "cannibal" verbiage was hilarious...Like someone else mentioned your knowledge of these Tesla's made this pretty epic. You worked that infotainment system like watching CNN's John King at the magic wall during a presidential election.
cool you stopped at the maumee location 20min from where i live!!!
IM IN MINNEAPOLIS/SAINT PAUL MINNESOTA! And have a 60D
Usually dealers reserve the right to correct incorrect listings. How did you get past that? Were you worried about your having the correction made once you arrived?
No, they didn’t know the difference.
I am curious as to why you don't use "A Better Route Planner" app instead of the Tesla software?
These days a 10 year old model S prices pretty similar to a 2 or 3 year old model 3 so my question is, which one do you pick? S or 3?
I wonder if when Kyle is filling up at a gas station and the pump is delivering less than 5 gallons a minute, does he move to one that pumps 6 gallons per minute.
Tesla must have changed the charging profiles to make the battery last longer, and prolonged the pack health.
Pack health, cost, cable health, or charging equipment. Keep in mind it was at its peak when we did our cannonball run (thankfully) and has drastically reduced since then
@@OutofSpecMotoring I believe that Tesla must have a reason to change it, and in other subject your way of charging is not the typical one, you are always on cannon ball mode.
Always! Hate charging not at peak rates.
I have a model 3 and I’d hate to take it on a long road trip, way too much time lost at charge stops, forget the costs, my time is far more important than a few dollars for fuel. My ev great for local stuff but that’s it for me. Great video by the way, shows how inconvenient these ev’s are for long journeys
Do you prefer the model 3 and the large off center display or do you like the S version that has the huge center display plus the display behind the wheel?
By the way , how is the grandfather of Alysa doing with the model 3 that he bought in Florida ?? ... I really hope he is doing well , he looked so amazed with his new car. Anyway, thanks for the great video, you have all this energy when riding a Tesla !
How must time do you save by stopping more frequently compared to doing what the Trip Planner wants you to do?
Probably 20 minutes or so each stop depending on how far off the highway they are - if you look at how we set the EV cannonball record it was using a method similar to this.
@@OutofSpecMotoring ABetterRoutePlanner.com automatically does this routing. I hope Tesla incorporates it!
Thanks for sharing. I have been to all of those chargers. BTW, Mauston rhymes with Boston.
Very entertaining, great job.
Thank you
24:57 why do you have the front fog lights on....??
I'm curious but did it turn out to be free supercharger?
I'm surprised at how sluggish the screen response was. The car was only 2 ?or 3? years old at the time of this video
Buying a used Tesla MS from non used car dealers is ok? Any worries? What warranty did it come with?
does this one has FSD AND LIFETIME FREE CHARING ?
How do you drive 1) without rear view camera on screen 2) with your cup in the UPPER cup holder instead of lower? (I always knock them over in upper cup holder)
had a similar experience. Was looking for a 90D.. found one that was mis-listed as a 85D and was priced accordingly. Didn't get as good deal as you did, but probably one of the lowest priced 90Ds I'd ever seen
You should definatly have taken the Canadian route. At that time of day the 401 is empty, you can easily do 139 km/h without worrying about getting pulled over on that stretch.
The maximum possible (and safe) charging current of a lithium ion battery decreases with age and wear. So thatˋs more of a hardware thing than a software thing.
Kyle, do you find the touchscreen on the S to be "laggy" compared to the 3? Ive watched all your videos and notice when you are trip planning on the 3 it seems very smooth and during this video it appeared to lag a tiny bit
Kind of lame you didn’t mention the full trip miles, number of charges and amount of time at charging stations. Would have been helpful to see its performance in these cold temps.
yup, vital details to this video
I need the instrumentals playing while you were driving