Normally I watch OMITB on our Roku. I am realizing that I can see on my desktop some suspicious things that I never noticed before. I just realized that in the episode of Bunny's last day, when she went to the street food vendor name Tommy, not only did she never payed for her breakfast (even though she took out her wallet) but Tommy handed her a piece of white paper and then Bunny stashed it in her wallet. The camera zoomed and lingered for a quick second on the paper and Bunny's wallet as she placed it inside. It might mean nothing. It just might be showing all the items she had that showed what her last day was like. But it felt a tiny bit odd to me when I finally realized that she was taking something from Tommy other than the food and not paying. She was talking to Tommy about a basketball game and how her team lost. In fact, she talked about the same basketball game with her parrot as well. Could Bunny have been betting on games? Did she have gambling problem? Is that why the Rose Cooper painting disappeared? Did she sell it to cover her betting debts and then replaced it with a fake so that no one would know? 🤔🏀💸🖼💰🔍🕵♀️
I am really liking the tension and pacing of this season. With two episodes left, we are being properly and cunningly misled. :) Love that. I feel like the show writers listened to viewers who expressed frustration with the nature of Season 1's Jan reveal. I do NOT feel at this point like we can assume we know who the killer is (to your point about assumptions). Very good, show. :)
Johnathan mentioned he played one of the hyenas in the Lion King. In the Lion King there were 3 hyenas that served as henchmen for Scar. Maybe Johnathan is one of 3 henchmen working for someone who has been pulling all the strings?
That makes sense!I can see him totally being connected to teddy Dimas as like one of the henchmen! Maybe teddy helped out johnathan out early on in his career and helped him land roles in broadway, so he wanted to help teddy get revenge. I wonder what johnathans motives are with Howard, I mean johnathan could be acting only to have access to his apartment? Or information? I mean didn’t the show also mention that he was renting on the floor or like had a license? It seems timed well if he moved there for the purpose of helping teddy.
OMG KREP IS THE SECOND ONE! Didn’t teddy pay off the cops when Theo supposedly pushed Mabel’s friend off the roof? Would that mean that teddy and Krupp’s have had shady interactions beforehand? Maybe teddy told krep that he would help him save his career and get revenge also on Mabel. Idk I could be wrong but I think it also be a possibility
I also think about the writers kept going back to Will directing Wizard of Oz over and over. Makes me think there are multiple killers, too, like the scarecrow, tin man (Grover. "Nobody cares about the tin man"), and the cowardly lion (Howard?). For 3 henchmen, perhaps Jonathan, Marv and Mark?
I love all the little details that viewers pick up on like the similar flashlights, all the intruders wore gloves, etc. Sometimes I wonder if those choices are intentional or if the props department is just trying to keep things simple. (I honestly don't know.) Thank you for another wonderful episode. They are appreciated! I love your commentary and also the comments from fans who post below the video.
Jan said an artist who composed the murder scene is the killer. It'n not Alice. It's Rose Cooper (Leonora) and her henchmen. I think Leonora is Rose Cooper. There is a famous Opera "Fidelio" written by Beethoven. Where heroine Leonora is disguised under the name Fidelio. Remember someone called Bunny while she was on a walk and Bunny said Oh it's you, I don't want to talk about the painting. Honestly, it's sounds like a mother - daughter dialogue. (mother and daughter that don't really get along)
I think Leonora is dead and the lady is Rose Cooper. She said she had a bill of sale so only the person selling the painting would have a bill of sale. The person buying it would have a receipt.
@@lamplight6942 Maybe Leonora was Rose Cooper for a while. Wasn’t there something about Leonora needing to get away from someone? So she could’ve moved to an apartment across the street and created paintings and had an affair with Charles’ dad. Leonora told Charles that she had an affair with his dad and Charles was astounded that his dad had an affair with both ladies. Leonora didn’t reply to that.
Yes exactly, but also i agree that Leonora is dead cause it might have been implied at some point that bunny doesn't have a family..also Rose's death is a mystery so what if she isn't dead?
Theory! We believe that are multiple people doing different things BUT the Krepps is NOT the only glitter guy. We think that there are 2 glitter guys (one is Detective Krepps and the other is the one from the night Bunny was killed). We think that detective Krepps, obviously not trusting the trio to stop investigating (something he has asked them multiple times) has been following the trio in his police capacity to ensure that they do not hide any more evidence or/and forge/incriminate themselves. We think that Krepp's wouldn't have followed the trio until Oliver and Charles were surprised that Williams was in Denver suggesting that they are hiding something. Which also would fit with Williams coming with her baby to meet Charles and Oliver suspecting that they are indeed hiding something. We think that Krepps followed the trio when they planted the glitter bomb and tried to catch the guy but couldn't. He instead found a card from Coney Island and decided to go there. Realising that Mabel is still hiding evidence he fakenly attacks her in the underground (it didn't seem like they struggled too much which suggests that the guy who attacked her didn't want to hurt her) and then goes to Coney Island to follow the clues - which would also explain why he didn't take his mask off - it was not his locker room! That's why they didn't identify him immediately from the files in Coney Island. By the way an additional clue that we found which seems weird to us. In season 1 episode 2 "Who is Tim Kono" in the flashback that Mabel has from the party that Zoe was killed we can CLEARLY see Theo walking behind Mabel right at the time that Zoe screams. Then how was he the one who pushed her if we the audience saw him right at the time that we heard the scream. We think that possibly Will killed Zoe which would explain why Theo cannot remember what exactly happened on the night and even the breakdown in his relationship with his dad (if Teddy Dimas was protecting Will thinking he is his son and threw Theo under the bus). As for Marv's daughter it would also make sense if Poppy is his daughter. Hence how his fascination and love for crime podcasts started, why he is obsessed with the Sixth Avenue Slasher (tries to solve it so his daughter is proud of him) and why Poppy has decided to help the trio.
Hey i also think that there is more than one person involved.Glitter guy(kreps)is a shitty cop cause if u remember in season 1 someone tried to cover evidence...Detective Williams sent Tim's phone to be checked but that never happened also we know that Kreps has a bad reputation so maybe for some money he could do the dirty work...so either someone pays him or he does it on his own for personal reasons either way he doesn't want the truth to be found cause he also wanted Cinda and the trio to stop the podcast. In this episode we eliminated some suspects cause we saw where they were during the blackout.We also saw the killer.I suspect the killer is Will, Mark or Nina's husband but i really don't want it to be Will i can't believe he would be so cruel..Besides that i don't understand why the glitter guy texted only Charles and Oliver to leave the building that night and why did he set himself up?He told the trio that Williams was in Denver and the trio understood that they weren't talking to her also he was wearing a mask so how did he have glitter on his neck?We know Kreps is glitter guy but i still have my doubts
I'm going out on a limb. I think Marv is the person who was waiting for Mabel in her apartment and the one who killed Bunny. I think Marv is the 6th Ave Slasher. I also believe he's the person in Mabel's "dream," which I believe is a repressed memory. She blacked out the incident. He's afraid one day she'll remember and expose him.
@@DoublePMedia bunny said 14 and savage.and charles lives in 14c and he has the name savage,the killer wants to do something with him.skmeone related to Jan maybe getting revenge fire her.
I agree, the killer is in her repressed memory, whether it's mark or not I'm not sure. The murder is clearly connected to her dream, I mean what are the odds in bunny dying the same way as she's dreamed for ages.
Final Theory I believe there are multiple people doing different things in this thing. First, I think Bunny hired Alice to make a forgery of her painting. It is evidenced by the recreation of the crime scene that Alice can recreate Mabel’s art. Alice also happens to be the daughter of Marv. Marv stated his daughter recently came out and hates him. That profile fits Alice and continues the familial relationship themes of this season. Bunny then sold that painting to help get some additional retirement money. This is also why she was able to tip Ivan the waiter so much one final time. On the night Bunny died, Howard came to visit her about the painting. He wants it so he can sell it and go on a yodeling tour with his quartet. He gets physical and Bunny punches him, giving him a black eye. Bunny then runs to Mabel’s apartment where she last saw the trio and is stabbed by the killer who was expecting Mabel. I believe the killer is either Poppy or Cinda. Poppy’s motive: she could kill one of the trio and it would easier to frame Charles and Oliver. She would then give Cinda new material for a podcast and finally get a promotion Cinda’s motive: New material for a podcast Obviously, Kreps is the GG. His motive is that he wants the podcasters to do all the work, then he swoops in with the evidence and gets the glory. Few things that don’t really fit in anywhere in particular for me yet: Lucy may be working with Kreps in some capacity. I also think she’s been living in the passageways since she got back in town. Bunny supposedly had no family but then Leonora showed up. Leonora is the woman in the painting
It all makes sense now but i don't think Cinda or Poppy are the killers...yes they took advantage of Mabel's situation to get more views in their podcast but going that far for a podcast??Also Mabel was the one that didn't get the text to get out of the building...she was the target...you are right maybe they mistaken bunny for Mabel and after seeing that it was bunny they stabbed her with a needle to frame Mabel.Also i think that Alice and Cinda work together.."Cinda will do anything to tell a good story"that's what poppy said and Cinda can tell a story by working with Alice to recreate the murder scene also Alice recorded Mabel breaking that sculpture so they can tell many things in Cinda's podcast to portray Mabel as the bad, violent type.But if that's not what poppy meant then maybe Cinda payed someone to put evidence in their house.Also did leonora claim to be her mother because she wanted to take the painting?Maybe she is Rose idk
Love this -- my question points is again about motives: 1. The Howard motive is a question (my own Howard theory has a weak point on motive too) 2. Why would Poppy or Cinda want to kill Mabel or Bunny?
Thank you for mentioning my theory! I wanted to add something I’ve noticed about the writers. I’m not sure if it’s coincidence but, I’ve noticed that they have mentioned some parts of Steve and Martin’s as well as Nathan’s past acting roles. Steve and Martin were both in father of the bride where they helped Steve’s pregnant daughter Anne, played by Kimberly Williams-Paisley, when she is in labor. Nathan also voiced Timon in the Lion King. Just a little something I’ve picked up on over the past episodes
This was an amazing episode. Krepes is glitter guy but not the killer. Perhaps conspiringwith the killer or killers. Only 2 episodes left and is so much left to reveal. I can't wait.
I don't know if someone mentioned this yet, but as I rewatched episode 8, I noticed that when the "killer" followed Lucy down to the 12th floor he/she didn't have the knife in their hand anymore. When they broke into the apartment they had the knife in the left hand and the flashlight in the right hand. As they came down the ladder the flashlight was in the left hand and no knife. I looked and looked again and I couldn't see it. I wonder where it went and if he/she was really after Lucy. Idk. When I think I've found a clue I have so many questions. I guess that is the point, lol. I love this show. I really like this channel for OMITB content. Thank you!
I think that there were two masked people in the tunnels the night Bunny died. One that swapped the Rose Cooper painting with a fake one. While the other killed Bunny.
Although it’s practically been confirmed, I’m still questioning Detective Kreps being the glitter guy. In all the shots of him (glitter guy), he is seen wearing a full face mask that I’m almost positive covers his neck. How did the glitter get on detective kreps’s neck if glitter guy had that mask on when the glitter exploded?
Also why would he text only Oliver and Charles to get out of the building that night and why did he set himself up by saying that Williams was in Denver??The trio understood that they weren't talking to Williams
@@cookiesandmilk686 I've been thinking about that too! It doesn't make any sense that he would contradict himself knowing that he had already told the trio she was on maternity leave. Something just isn't adding up with him being the glitter guy
Don’t forget, glitter IS impossible to get rid of… even just taking off that full mask could leave a trail, and it’s in the perfect spot that he can’t see on himself without a true 369 reflection… as a former theatre geek myself, I legit thought of the glitter before the words left his mouth 😂
Going back to the building as a character. The Bunny’s secret elevator only has a call sign that goes to the 11th floor. A similar residential building in NY- The Arcadian was intended to be 20 stories high but at 17 the charismatic architect decided it was high enough. Could our rapscallion architect have decided that 11 wasn't tall enough and so built it to 13 with a penthouse? The building I work in was build 9 stories in 1905, 5 years later then added 6 stories to make 12 + a penthouse. The older building were strong enough that they could add additional floors. It may be that the original elevators were like what Bunny's secret elevator is like, old elevators were very small, the ones the Arcania now uses are much more modern that the building. Maybe Bunny's elevator was not always secret but one of the building elevators until they were replaced at a much later date. Older buildings like the Dakota and the Belnord have a bunch of elevators and stairways scattered through out the building not the long corridors shown in the series. This was so that the residents would feel like they were in separate homes, each elevator only serving 4 units per floor. So there are other units that might have secret elevators in them, lots of people could know about the catacombs and elevators.
thanks for featuring my comment in this video! made my day. I do think Lucy's off the suspects list if she's using an iphone this episode. I'm gunning for Howard now, you've convinced me. See you here next week for another video. Can't wait
The Gist: Belief that Apple won't allow TV shows and Movies to have iPhones in the hands of murderers/villains. So if a character has an iPhone = they're good.
I like your thought about Jonathan being an undercover cop. A couple weeks ago I said the whole "are you a cop or an actor....you look like an actor" exchange was curious. At the time my impulse was that it was pointing the finger at Sazz, and I'm generally still in that headspace, but maybe it was foreshadowing precisely this dynamic with "the hyena"?
This looks like a good place to post my questions: Why was Bunny killed in Mabel's apartment? It's not even on the same floor as Bunny's apartment. Who texted Oliver and Charles to tell them to get out of the building and why? Who sent full swat teams to the building possibly even before Bunny was killed? It takes time to get swat teams together and on location. Who knew it was going to happen and why all those agents? What were they expecting? What happened to Mabel's artist girlfriend (forgot her name, sorry)? She was the son of Sam in the game, what did that mean? What was the whole "recreating Mabel's experience" about? How about Bunny's mother? Is she coming back? Lots of loose ends ... I hope they don't carry them through season 3 because i don't know if i can wait that long for answers!!
I wanted to give a shout out to our comentator! Your voice is perfect, pleasant to listed to, well prepared and not peppered with awkward pauses. You podcast is the only one I can consistently listen to and look forward to as much as the series. I appreciate this series for the things it does not do, it is not linear, they are not telling us everything and I don't think there is any way we can deduce who its the killers based on what they have told us. It is great to watch something were I can't already anticipate the story, the characters are all surprises, the developments are inventive, yodel shop, and the building a dream. Almost as obscure as the series Phantasm - people dying and them back alive int he next scene, flying Christmas balls, and the tall man, but they didn't have Howard.
I had to comment because I haven't seen anyone talking about this. I always notice if someone has a particular way of moving. When Lucy "sees" the figure in the passageway (or at least we see) on the night Bunny died, the person has a very distinctive walk. Very stiff, the arms are barely moving, and then when they swivel back and forth to change direction they keep their feet planted in place and just turn them. It's very robotic. The camera also zooms in on their feet when they do this. We see the person who follows Lucy down the ladder in ep 8 (not holding the knife!!) do the same robotic swivel and walk stiffly in the other direction when they see the light. Now, the person who broke into Charles' apartment, who was holding the knife, we don't really see much walking from them. They do a swivel in the bathroom when they see the secret passage open, but it's less distinctive than the other instances. I'm on the fence about if the knife person and the person we see both times in the passageway are the same - we just don't see enough of them. I think this detail is important in identifying and differentiating the people we've seen. Oliver even asks in this episode if the killer "walked funny." Lucy says no, but I don't think she actually saw him walking! After watching most of this episode a second time, when Jonathan sneezes in Howard's apartment - which I've seen comments that this is probably a red herring, but if you listen to Jonathan's sneeze and the original passageway person's sneeze back to back, they sound EXTREMELY similar - and stands up to leave, he does a swivel to change direction that looks like a less dramatic version of the passageway person's swivel, and then we see him walk away in the background when the camera is focused on Howard, and if you look closely, his arms are very stiff and by his sides. The shape of the flashlight he's carrying outside Howard's front door is also remarkably similar to the flashlight the OG passageway person is using, and he has the right body type. think the OG passageway person is Jonathan, but I don't think he's Bunny's killer. Since this ep showed Howard and Jonathan together during the blackout intercut with Lucy running from the masked person, I assumed that the events were happening simultaneously and therefore neither Jonathan or Howard could be the person chasing Lucy... But what if these events AREN'T happening at the same time? I feel like this might be a departure from the show's usual editing style, but I'm not taking anything for granted right now. Sorry for the super long comment, but none of my friends watch the show so I can't bounce these ideas off them! Thank you for your videos and please keep them coming!!
It's interesting that you think that the person with the knife entering Charles' apartment may not be the same person who was climbing down the ladder without the knife. Because I noticed a detail about the molding pry bar the intruder used to break-in, which I initially thought was a continuity error, but I could be wrong. When he dropped the bar, the claw (right angled) end was facing away from main door, but when Mabel walked in, the claw-end was facing the main door! Which could mean (if this was not an error) that someone else may have entered the apartment and accidentally changed the orientation of the molding bar. Also, could the molding pry bar be the equivalent of the bassoon cleaner from season1? Are any of the suspects connected to an environment where construction or renovation is going on? The only places I can think of are: 1) Mabel's place, where it's been under construction for awhile, 2) the Brazzo's TV set, or 3) Alice's studio that has been heavily renovated to look like Mabel's apartment.
I love the idea of Krebs looking into the Dimas family and being the one who tried to deter the trio from interfering! Cinda alluded to him being either corrupt or in poor standing with his career, so it would make sense that he would try and somehow either discredit the trio or try and paint them as bigger fish to catch to pad his resume
I recall reading a post somewhere about a theory that the real Rose Cooper painting could be hidden in Mrs Gambolini's cage, and at the time I thought that it would be risky to store a million dollar painting inside a cage where it could get soiled & damaged. I went back to ep2, and noticed that the cage is actually sitting atop a platform box with wheels, and that platform is fairly thick (about 10" ?) and has more than enough space to store the painting if one of the panels can be removed. Is it possible Bunny might have hidden it there?
Love this season and our main three have really bonded. Great back and forth on the staircase. What can’t dips do! The blackout musical scene was just genius. Who knew yodelling could be so beautiful. Few more ideas after this episode: Jonathan is in the chorus line in Lion King so was he one of the chorus who fell in Splash? Revenge on Oliver? Hope Howard and Sevelyn stay safe🙏Kreps is seemingly glitter guy…why glare at Oliver when he walks past? Kreps also becomes sinister when he talks about perk of job interviewing teenage girls? Very creepy! Worried for Mabel and Marv. Mabel did worry she could be next last season…surely we can’t lose her? Hope Marv doesn’t try and investigate on his own. Whoever broke into Charles’ apartment knew he wasn’t there…Kreps? Jonathan? Or perhaps Charles’ neighbour who knew Lucy well? Can’t wait for the next episode!!!!
Ivan is Teddy's henchman 100%. Dips he gave Oliver must have been poisened. Teddy promised Oliver that one day he will slip his fingers into Teddy's dips and realize he is choking. Blackout was caused by Teddy for more than one purpose and this is one of them. Also Uma said that Bunny was lonely and had no family. This means Bunny had bad relationship with her mother for Uma to say nobody cared for Bunny. Leonora doesn't seem devasted at all that her daughter was brutally murdered.
Mable also stabbed glitter guy in the train with a knitting needle, how are these needles randomly appearing? Does mable carry them around with her? Maybe an unconcious thing for her own protection. How did detective kreps also know in the interrogation bunny was stabbed? Since bunny at the time only had a knitting needle in her. We see the killer taking the knife away. someone is clearly accessing the flats through the tunnles and moving evidence around into different apartments to frame each one and link her to bunny. Mable with the knitting needle, Charles with the painting and Oliver with the knife.
It is obvious that someone wants to frame the trio and it could be Cinda too maybe he hired someone to do it for her idk also Mabel carries needles with her for her protection did u forget how her and Oscar meet again in the first season?She was ready to attack him and about detective kreps it isn't a mystery that he knew bunny was stabbed that's literally his job
Bunny was wearing the hoodie that Oscar was known for wearing, not Mabel. Whoever put the knitting needle in Bunny could have thought it was Oscar and wanted to frame Mabel for killing him. (I think that bit is masterminded by cinda but carried out by others)
I am with QueenB- I think the killer and the person in Mabel´s apartment are differnt people with different motives! and I just hope Marv is not the killer. Poor guy works with mold! MOLD!
At the season 1 finale, Cinda and Poppy were there in the court yard. We now know Kreps is Glitter Bomb, so what if they are working together to frame them to both get what they want. Cinda gets another great podcast season and Detective Kreps moves up in his field and solves a big mystery. I don’t have everything else figured out this is just a thought that came to me after the episode. Still confusing as to why Kreps would text them to get out of the building. If that was even him. Maybe he or whoever texted that meant it only for Charles and Oliver and somehow knew Mable went downstairs. And they are framing this on Mable. And Kreps has been after Mable this whole season!
Just watched the next episode and I think I can answer that question. You were totally on the money about Cinda being the one trying to frame Mabel and working with Kreps as one of her henchmen. It wasn't Kreps that sent the text to get out of the building though it was Poppy. Poppy knows what happened but Cinda is blackmailing her to keep quiet about it.
Jonathan's flashlight matches with the sneezers during bunny's murder. The person chasing Lucy had a flashlight like Marv's with a pistol handle and large lense.
@@DoublePMedia wait please Nina lives on 14 and bunny said 14 as she died.maybe it's her husband that also lives with Nina,or maybe it's Nina.or maybe there is something going on in the room 14.its one of the 3 numbers that can't be reached with the elevator.
@@DoublePMedia please add jumpsuit watch Marv wears disposable ppc personal protective clothing Alice wears overalls half mast tied at waist. S8 jumpsuit guy following Lucy was wearing expensive cloth overalls. Thought i could narrow down ID just by left or right handedness - from knife/torch. Only found Cinda distinctly using pen with left hand. Good writing keeping me with blurred vision!
I don't believe for a second we are done with Zoe's family and the 11th floor. I'm still remembering the plots to some of the Hardy boys books (whose titles were purposely shown and from where the whale tattoos come) that are way too closely related to have just left the plot completely. I still think there is massive crime in the Arconia from multiple sources serving one boss. Replicate, remove, replace.
Great video as always double p!! The cake theory is fantastic! The DNA tests results thing is moving way too slow because I believe they want to make Teddy as our next victim so that when a confrontation happens in the next episode the timing will be perfect for the next kill. Also, since we assume the person that broke into Charles appartment is responsible for the blackout, it means that Lucy was the target,meaning that the person that tried to kill her was following her for a while and waited when she was all alone in the appartment. Therefore it can't be Marv,Ivan,Lester,Nina or Howard. ( most likely Detective K) I believe you are right when you say none of our suspects were cleared. Also I completely disagree about Kreps' investigation on the Dimases. Multiple people who met him, including Cinda Canning Detective Williams and even himself, have declared that he has a questionnable reputation, is not that good at his job and that this case is his opportunity to shine. If Kreps was leading an investigation on the Dimases, the success of his operation would have been noticed. I believe in the contrary that he is a dirty cop who is trying to help the Dimases from the inside and maybe he was in Bunny's appartment that night in order to recover the painting or something that belongs to Teddy. Or maybe to kill Mabel as you said. And finally, I believe that Marv can't be Lucy's new dad since they met in this episode, he spoke about his daughter in front of her and she had no reaction whatsoever.
I think Krep is the GLITTER GUY but NOT the Killer. He just wanted the Proof that Trio had so that he can solve the case and gain all the appreciation! I also think Krep is the Lucy new father and he wants to protect Lucy. I still think THEO could be the Killer because when he got to know Mabel is suspecting someone else to be the Killer he helped and drove her all the way to Coney Island because he wanted Mable to caught the Glitter Guy! So that everyone will think that the Killer is glitter guy and he will be saved. Theo also has reasons to kill Mable because of what happened to him in the past. Theo was at Mabel's apartment to kill Mabel but Bunny went there for some other reason and killed by mistake! I think there were 3 people - 1 who stole the painting, 2 Lucy saw at the passage (on Charles floor), 3 The Killer (Who was at Mabel's floor) Jonathan can't be the Killer Because of his sneez type, his sneez was very short and quite, when Oliver asked Lucy about killer's sneez she said 'the 2nd one' the Louder one! I suspect THEO and NINA'S HUSBAND! Nina's husband killed Bunny so that she will out of the way of their construction plan and he knew that the Trio will solve this case too as the earlier one so he planned the murder in such a way that the TRIO themselves become the suspect and that's why he brought Bunny to Mabel's apartment then killed her and start framing Charles and Oliver too later, and since his wife is the new chairman he knows about the building passages as well and the painting and other things were just to frame the Trio. Also so much importance is given to SON OF SAM game which is eliminate all those who can't be the Killer and the one left is the Killer. At the time of BLACKOUT we have seen everyone that could be suspected EXCEPT Nina's husband, she was alone in her apartment. Also she lives at 14th Floor!! And bunny said 14 when she died Thanks, Charu Pradhan
The show created a website where you can vote from a list of suspects who you think the murderer is, but Nina's husband isn't included, which indicates that he's not the killer.
Hi, thanks for mentioning ❤️ I saw in today's credit that the NYPD car with serial number 3814 standing outside Arconia. Is it what Bunny mentioned? I believe it's Det. Krep's car. Was she asking Mabel to inform Krep that the killer is Savage's(Lucy) or the opposite? If the glitter guy is krep's(also working in Coney) and does Ursula have a relationship with him? Is she helping him solve the case? I strongly feel Alice is Marv's daughter. Alice is definitely one of those black jumpsuit people. Also I am doubting on Jonathan(kind of sly) Hugely disappointed that the story has not moved in regard to the DNA result of Oliver and knife evidence handed over to Det. Williams. Can't wait for the next episode!
Marv did say that he was not invited to his daughter's wedding, so if Alice is his daughter then she is married. I guess she could be unmarried or unfaithful and so become involved with Mable but that does seem really harsh on Mable.
I know everyone thinks Kreps is GG, but I’ve been thinking that a recent new person is GG- Jimmy Russo. Cinda asks if he’d like to help, an easy errand to get the evidence. So he goes, and is surprised by the bomb, and heads to the subway to go to work- he used to work at Long John Silvers, so a chicken place is his wheelhouse, before his job at Coney Island. If Kreps was GG, why would he be going anywhere on the subway? He’d have no idea Mabel would be there- even Mabel didn’t know, she was just walking. Thoughts? Oh I also like Marc as the 6th ave Slasher!
Not gonna lie I've been watching every one of these and didn't realise it wasnt like a 100k viewer thing every episode 😅 the quality is definetly higher than the viewer count shows
I think Glitter guy choked Kreps and hurt his arm in some kind of confrontation. I don't want to believe his shoulder/arm hurts from Mabel stabbing him.
Yay! Thanks for the mention this week! I really think the 911 call is important. There had to be some type of 911 call for the swat team to show up like that! And if it was Lucy that called, why wouldn’t she come forward and say that? What is she hiding? As I also mentioned before, I really think Bunny was working for either Cinda or Detective Kreps at one point. She had knowledge of the Arcadacombs. She was either hired and paid to spy on the Dimas’s for their jewelry scam OR was hired to spy on the trio and give Cinda info about the podcast since they became competition. I think at some point Bunny felt bad and stopped working for them. Might explain why she had all that extra cash she gave away to Ivan. And also explain why she was eventually murdered. So excited to finally see this unfold! Love being part of this OMITB community! (P.S. I left you a 5 star review on your podcast through Apple) 🙂
Review on Apple podcasts!!! #Hero I always have trouble with motive: Let's follow this train of thought: spying for Det. Kreps/Cinda, perhaps Bunny would've revealed the big secret she learned as her last gesture before she left for Boca Raton, so she was killed.
The more I read others’ ideas the more options I realize I haven’t considered. Uff! Makes my head spin. Someone mentioned that the Detective guy (forgot his name) could be Bunny’s brother ….. He likes that Greek restaurant and we know Bunny met someone there and she said he wasn’t her friend (could’ve been a brother). I don’t think Detective Glitter Guy is Bunny’s murderer, but perhaps, as a brother, he wanted that painting. So he could’ve been the one who was hounding Bunny for it. When Bunny died the painting went missing. It could be Det Glitter Guy was at the building the night Bunny was murdered crawling through the back walls thinking he was going to steal it, but saw Bunny being killed or already dead. When he saw this he sent that text message to the gang to get out of the building (I don’t know why he would do that). Now he’s trying to solve the murder to find the painting. He plans to get the painting first before letting the police know he solved it. Is it possible that the murderer meant to murder Mabel? Bunny was in Mabel’s apartment and wearing that sweatshirt with the hood pulled up so if the murderer was waiting in the dark apartment, s/he could’ve killed the wrong person. Murderer made an oopsie so decided to try and frame Mabel instead. Marv’s daughter could be Poppy or even Cynda. He is trying to win her favor so is sneaking around the Arconia to spy and give his daughter insights to use for their podcast. I don’t think he’s the killer. Maybe the killer is Lucy. She could be jealous of Mabel’s relationship with her father figure (Charles) so went to murder Mabel and then murdered the wrong person. Lucy was in the hidden passage ways hiding from that other person not because she was afraid of being hurt, but afraid of being discovered. My 2 bits, but there’s still a lot unresolved. I’m going to put my hat in the ring as my official guess….. at least until next week’s episode.
I’ve tried to simply enjoy the ride and avoid theorizing this time around, but I can’t resist taking a stab at it (😉) just this once, in case they reveal the murderer in the next episode like they did last season… The Killer: Poppy. I originally thought the sneezer was Marv doing mold removal or innocently sneaking around, but since that’s not true, I think they’re going to play with the timing like last season (Jan pulled the fire alarm and killed Tim Kono, Theo went from standing in the background one second to fighting with Zoey and accidentally pushing her the next) and the sneezer will magically be the killer. With that in mind, going by physical characteristics (since motive will likely, once again, be impossible to pin down), I think the small feet shown getting off the elevator and the deep-voiced sneeze point to Poppy, who looked larger in the passageway due to wearing layers of clothes. (Of the other female suspects, Nina and Alice have already had their own stories, and I just don’t see Uma, Ursula, Lucy, Leonora, or Sazz being a murderer - at least not this time. It could be Cinda instead, but she wore a red coat once, and I think that symbolizes “red herring” / misdirection - in addition to Nina’s red outfit, Kreps’s red glitter…and didn’t Howard wear a red sweater?) Motive: Either Poppy has some personal connection to Bunny we’d never guess (similar to Jan and Tim…They do sort of look alike. Family, maybe?) and she made lemonade out of lemons by thinking quickly enough to frame the trio once she killed Bunny, or she snooped around to find the most opportune target (the most hated person in the building) for the express purpose of framing the trio. (Either Poppy or Cinda had been asking questions at or around the time of the superfans’ party - Ursula mentions a “podcast girl with glasses” had been there - and someone ate some cake but left their trash.) Regardless, even though she didn’t tell Cinda what she’d done, she thought it would help her in her job (eliminating her idol’s competition, planting damning evidence), but now that she knows she’ll never be appreciated or promoted, she wants to spin her crimes and frame Cinda instead. Glitter Guy: Though I’d love for there to be another twist here, I think Glitter Guy is merely Kreps, who isn’t very bright, and is using unorthodox tactics befitting his poor reputation to try to solve the case first, on his own. Perhaps Detective Williams texted the trio to get out of the building, but Kreps found and used the phone she used and set up the matchbook evidence drop while she was away. He acted so fake and guilty after the blackout because he almost got caught breaking into Charles’ apartment / going into the passageway (through yet another case of magical timing - though I don’t think he was “chasing” Lucy with intent to harm her, just clumsily checking out the passage) and because he absolutely knew who Lucy was, since he took her picture. (Either he approached her after the blackout or she went to him assuming a cop could help - more magical timing.) He works security at Coney Island to make extra money due to a low-level position on the force, which is why he’s desperate to be the one who solves this case. The Painting: I think the painting is its own story involving only Shirley MacLaine (who is more likely Rose Cooper, not Leonora Folger) and Bunny. Perhaps the real Leonora helped Rose fake her death and frame Charles Sr.? Shirley MacLaine is the card sender and phone caller, but probably not the diner visitor (who I guess was Poppy - who may have lit the candle on the cake later with a match from the matchbook). Either Alice has nothing to do with anything outside of her creepy recreation project, Bunny hired her to forge the painting for some reason, or she forged the painting and stole the original - but doesn’t realize its connection to the case. The DNA Drama: I think it’s a setup for next season. Will is Teddy’s son, Oliver will freak and threaten Teddy, Teddy will be killed, Oliver will be the main suspect, and he and his family will be the focus next season (including plenty of juicy flashbacks so that Nathan Lane will not only still be part of the show, but he and James Caverly will get even more time to shine). Theo will join forces with the trio to help solve his father’s murder and will be “adopted” into the group so that he will still have a family. Howard’s Black Eye and Other Loose Ends: I don’t believe we will ever get the true answer to this as his eye has healed and doesn’t seem important anymore, nor do I think we will get more info on anything else that has been left unclear, including who poisoned Winnie. (I think Amy bringing it up and Oliver’s reaction were the writers’ way of saying, “Oops. We never explained this part. Our bad.”) This ever-growing pile of loose ends both disappoints and frustrates me. However, maybe if Teddy is the next victim, his criminal dealings will come back into play (including the Angel scheme), which could present the opportunity to provide more clarification and even tie up some things. (I love the idea I’ve heard / read that Jan was working for Teddy. I want that to be true!)
I think there is going to be a twist with Kreps. I would consider Marv an expert on the 6th Ave Slasher since he has been following his cases for years, and the way Marv looked at Kreps was one of fear and recognition, that Kreps was the slasher! As for Alice, I think more will be revealed in the next 2 episodes.
I don’t think Theo could have broken into the apartment because that person was scared off by a noise when Lucy was hiding, and Theo wouldn’t have heard that.
Theo can sense rumbles and vibrations from noise and we don't know why his dad called him right before the blackout. I'm hoping it's not Theo but anything is possible.
Kreps is obviously only trying to get evidence in order to take credit for solving the case. In episode 6 he said "this was supposed to be a career-making case for me." Also it felt to early to reveal who the murderer is so it definitely isn't him. Also a lot of characters this season have appeared then not been heard from again (Leonora, Amy Schumer, Alice, Poppy, Cinda Canning). I don't know why but it is interesting.
Obviously it seems that Detective Kreps is Glitter Guy, but i don’t think he’s the killer. In fact glitter guy was always wearing black clothes whereas the killer (the one who breaks into Charles’ and the one who we’ve seen in every other episode) is wearing a grey suit. I think Kreps is trying to solve the murder “his way”, framing the most obvious suspects (the big three) and walking away as a winner, being this his first big case after working at Coney Island
I think the painting is under the birdcage ....I think bunny didn't care for the painting and literally let the bird shit all over it....also she left the bird to Oliver because bunny knew he was broke n the birdcage was on too of the painting ...she was generous with Ivan also ...
I loved your rant and I'm not sure if was my Reddit post you were talking about but I've pretty much come to the same conclusion as you. Basically long story short I saw Mo's (screener viewing critic) tweet saying one person on the OMITB sub had gotten both the motive and the killer right. This was right before bed. Woke up next day still thinking about it, screenshotted the tweet and posted it on the sub. We quickly worked out this critic had also made a post on Reddit himself saying people on the OMITB sub has gotten the murderer but not the motive. That was 3 days prior. So someone had gotten both right sometime in the 3 days prior to that tweet. We used my post to post our fav theories as a roundup post of sorts. All of the top upvoted theories in that post seemed plausible so while my post was very entertaining for me and others, and I got to think about things others had spotted that I hadn't, you're right, I didn't feel like we had gotten much closer to figuring it out. Mo found the post and commented for a bit without spoiling things before getting concerned that my post would go viral and he askedme to delete the post so I did. There were some really creative theories there though which got me concerned. Will the writers giving so few clues out make people disappointed in the reveal because the elaborate theories viewers are coming up with are more interesting than the current pacing of the show?
I'm FittenTrim on Twitter/Insta/Reddit; I think you're going where I am. I've seen several shows where the viewers come up with more intelligent and creative solutions to murder-mysteries than the original writers. It's a fine line, but I do think season 1 of THE AFTERPARTY did a cleaner murder-mystery than season 1 of OMITB. Fingers crossed OMITB will pull it together
Ever since Detective Kreps asked the trio to join him at Bunny's apartment something has been nagging me. It's the giant bag that Poppy White is carrying when they leave. I know the Rose Cooper painting is missing at this point but... Could Cinda Canning or Poppy White or both have been the ones to have stolen it? Maybe they removed it from it's frame, stashed it someplace for safe keeping the day Bunny died and then the day Detective Kreps asked everyone to come to Bunny's apartment they arrived early, got the painting, rolled it up and placed it in the very long boom mic bag that Poppy is carrying. Honestly, I really don't see any other reason for Poppy to be carrying such a large bag. 🖼🔍🕵♀️🤔
The whole thing is weird. That giant bag should have equipment but why bring it and not have it out? Why call a meet in Bunny's apartment? I also think detective kreps was either removing or placing something when he went to the bathroom.
Yes agreed that scene was totally weird. How did kreps know to send a cop to brazzos set? Why were poppy and Cinda already there? Closed captioning showed they were talking about lighting and sound right before the trio walked in. The Cinda drops the chestnut of kreps not having a sterling reputation. Begrudging cooperation with threat of blackmail by Cinda to kreps?
Detective Krepes is not the glitter guy. They are trying to throw us off. Go back and look at the picture of the person getting glittered. That is not Michael Rapaport's body. That's a person who is smaller. That suspect looks like a girl or someone with a small build. Michael Rapaport does not have a small build. They put baggy clothes so you can't tell. I believe it can be 2 different people. Oscar or Alice. But I think the main glitter guy suspect is Oscar. I think it's Oscar bc he left 9 voicemails on Mabel's phone in episode 7 and trying to warn Mabel(have to pause TV to see who messages were from) Oliver is the only one that could have Charles's number from season 1. Also, Oliver lived in the building and dad is maintenance guy and could know where the secret passageways are and spied on people. Who else would go to Coney Island as a security guard. It wouldn't be Alice. And the hands shown in Coney Island are guys hands. He got out of prison and needs a job. Security would be a job that Oscar would get out of prison. Maybe he dropped the matchbook in Mabel's apt because it was in the air vent by the bed. He hangs out with Mabel all the time. Oscar could have dropped that matchbook and it wasn't blood but ketchup on it. He wanted the evidence because he didn't want to go back to jail and didn't want to tell Mabel why he was hanging out with Bunny. Oscar was right outside the building when Bunny got murdered as well. I do not think Oscar had anything to do with the murder. I don't think think the person calling Bunny and the person in the diner are the same person. I think the person at the Diner was Oscar. Not sure why they were together but I think the person that was calling about the painting was Leonora, Rose Cooper or Charles's dad and possibly Alice. Leonora theory-I think she has a bad relationship with Bunny and Leonora wants that painting back because it belongs to her but Bunny doesn't want to give it back because she hates her mom. There's also something on the back of that painting that she really cares about. That's why she immediately went to the back of it when she got there in Amy Shumer's apartment. Also may think Leonora set Charles's dad up of killing Rose Cooper. Leonora could have also had a son/daughter with Charles's dad Rose Cooper theory- Rose Cooper can still be alive. I think Rose Cooper is trying to get her painting back. Rose Cooper could have had a son/daughter with Charles's dad. That kid is helping Rose get it back and seek revenge on Bunny and Leonora. Charles's dad theory- I think Charles's dad is still alive. I also think he got framed for Rose Coopers death by Leonora. I think Leonora is actually Rose Cooper trying to get her painting back. Why else would there be a painting of Charles's dad naked with Rose Cooper in Leonora's/Bunny's apt. Alice can be a grandkid of Rose Cooper and knows there is a secret behind the painting. And kills Bunny and knows about the trio and tries to set them up. I think the glitter guy is Oscar and Killer is Alice. I'm probably way off but just by how the killer and glitter guy are smaller builds and how fast they move, they cancel out a lot of other suspects. I also think Poppy is Marv's daughter. And also think that Teddy will be killed in episode 10 and Oliver will be the one everyone suspects because he will go to Teddy's to confront him about Will being Greek.
Btw, the person who left Mabel 9 voicemails is Oliver (Putnam) not Oscar (Torres). I had originally thought Oscar was glitter-guy too and he was trying to help Charles & Oliver escape, but when they didn't reveal Oscar as GG in ep7 (like when they revealed Oscar as tie-dye guy in S1 ep5), I figured it's likely not him. And if it is not Oscar, then the texter may have a darker ulterior motive, like creating a window of opportunity to plant the knife to frame them. As for the murder victim that sets up season 3, my first guess was Teddy, and then I thought maybe Cinda. Then I thought if the show-runner really want to up the stakes, maybe both!
@@jt279 Oh, I could have sworn I saw Oscars name on there. I also thought Theo. I was trying to come up with, who would want to set up Charles and Oliver. And the only person I could come up with is Theo and Teddy. But Teddy came home after the murder. And did they ever say if Theo was home yet?
@@stephenwilliams6823 I don't think it was mentioned when Teddy actually came back to the Arconia. The strongest suspects I have as to who would frame the trio are either Teddy/Theo, Cinda & her crew, or Jan, but she would have to get someone else to frame them on her behalf. I'm leaning towards Teddy, because I think Theo being on the same train as Mabel & glitter-guy is too much of a coincidence, and that he was actually there to meet glitter-guy to collect the matchbook.
The detective told them that other detective was on maternity leave, which started the glitter bomb plan. He is following them but don't think he is the killer .That might explain how he got mixed up with the glitter. Plus he is to tall. I also think the person with the knife is not the killer. He followed her into the passage way. I think they were there for the painting. Bunny's mom said it was torn and fixed. Perhaps something of value is placed in the back of it. Might explain why the person came in with a knife, might not know it is a fake. I do think that Howard's love interest is sneaking into the passage way gaining information (a spy for Nina or undercover cop theory???) He knew way to much. And the fact he "acted" like he did not know about Howard's cat. Please! Everyone in the building knows that man has a cat! One thing is for sure, one of the people running around dressed up is in excellent physical shape. My vote for the killer is Ursula....based on how she stabbed that package! Here is a way out of left field theory. How do we know that is really Charles's Lucy? Charles had not seen her in 8 years....he assumed it was her based on how she showed up. The picture on his phone from the other Lucy never showed her face, just a dress. Stolen Identity perhaps....
@@jt279 Did she or did Charles start the conversation? And the original Lucy might have played with this kid in the building. All she had to do was show up grab his phone change the number and now she is the Lucy he is texting/calling. I assumed he was texting her the night of Bunny's murder because she was in the same frame...maybe not...that Lucy gave notice of showing up. This one just shows up. She could be a run away...knows a lot about the passageways, listening in on conversations. Plus in the picture that Lucy Looked like she was attending a wedding. This girl said she did not go. If they were going to show her in the next episode why not show her face? I know it sounds far out.....super fun theory!
Omg! I thought that about Lucy too at one point! Like he hadn’t seen her in so long so maybe it wasn’t her. But she seems to know way too much to be pretending.
Wax on the matchbook--- The guy grabbed the matchbook the day before the party. The only reference to a bakery that I can think of is that Oliver and Cinda go to the same cupcake store.
I'm so confused with all the different storylines! I keep going back to the tagline on the promo: The Truth Is All In How You Frame It. Has to be the painting or Alice or SOMETHING ahhhh
My bet is that Leonora Folger is actually Rose Cooper, who wanted her painting back. It does not mean she killed Bunny herself. It makes more sense hiring someone. It could be Detective Kreps or others.
@@DoublePMedia this is where I think Cinda/poppy make sense. Cinda already named the podcast. She was trying to frame Ollie Mabel and Charles. So certain things were used and placed to implicate them.
I think the daughter he is talking about is Det Williams or her wife. In the episode about Det Williams from season 1 she was talking about loneliness. I wonder if Marv abandoned one of them as a child and was truing to get back Into their life. It would also explain the wedding he wasnt invited to as theyre married
I've considered Howard, and I can't eliminate him. The black eye makes me wonder, but the shoes aren't right. Jonathan stands out, because he has the same sneeze that Lucy heard in the passageway after the murder. If Marv or Kreps was the one that broke into Charles' apt, and chased Lucy, it could still be Jonathan. Although, Marv does potentially have the right shoes, I noted when Mabel hit him. I've also considered Charles' father. The last we see, his father was hauled away by police. Charles believes his father died, but in the talks about illusion and the way things appear to be, it's possible that his father is still alive. Either his father is involved, or he is going to pop up next season. In the still that shows the shoes, the back of the ankle is puffed out, as if there's an ankle monitor on it. Charles did say his father had lots of run ins with the law. Perhaps he is alive and has an ankle monitor. That's all I've got for now. My best guess so far is Jonathan, but I can't see a why or why now with him.
I’m not sure if it’s Marv. when we saw Mabel hit him, the mask was different from the masked man who broke into Charles apartment. Marv had like a gas mask while the other guy had a beanie. There’s always the chance that he switched his mask, but I’m not sure.
Not only are the masks different but the jumpsuits are different as well. Marv's has a hoodie, whereas the intruder's jumpsuit has a collar. However, their flashlights look almost identical, both with pistol-style grips and triggers.
@@jt279 Marv cleans mold from buildings, including the Arconia. I believe his estranged daughter possibly either Alice or Cinda's assistant would own such a flashlight and know their way around the tunnels.
The number 14 means the 14th floor. Bunny was trying to tell Mabel that the killer lives on the 14th floor. Nina and Jared live on the 14th floor with their new baby girl. Jared would have motive to kill Bunny because she wasn’t okay with his architectural design of the Arconia. Jared was not with Nina during the Blackout. He would have the blue prints of the Arconia. I have another theory it could be. Theo because the killer used Oliver’s knife to kill Bunny. Teddy threatened Oliver and that he would go out of his way to screw him.
I had to think on Nina living on 14 but they saw her when they entered the passageway from Charles apt. Jared's been nothing since that viewing. It would be odd if he came back to be the guy but logically you make sense. I'm not sure teddy or Theo are involved as they were both in jail at time of bunny's murder.
What about the Savage tho?Jared could definitely be a suspect and he has a motive but we still don't know how all this is related to Charles....did bunny was referring to the painting or Charles?idk
something i always keep thinking back to is Bunny telling Ivan “take it i don’t need it anymore” or something along those lines when giving him the money. if she was moving why would she give away a large sum of money? if she was staying in ny why would she give away money? it may be nothing but i can’t get it out of my head!!
Because I believe he wasn't the one who texted our trio. He was only instructed/hired to pickup the evidence, and deliver it to someone else. I think the mastermind is Teddy, and the person receiving the matchbook is Theo.
Has anyone else noticed the elevators at the end of episode 3? As the trio get into an elevator and head up to the roof, the elevator gauge thing (not sure what its called) goes from 14 to the roof, the focus shifts to the other elevator., where you see the elevator come from somewhere between level 6 to level 8, up to level 14. The Dimass family are on level 6. I think Teddy is behind the murder, thats why he and Theo had a massive fight, Theo didn't want to be invloved in the families crime anymore.
If Bunny could evict our trio for discovering a murderer in the building, I'm sure she would evict Teddy for grave-robbing, and this would give Teddy a motive to get rid of Bunny. I think Teddy is the one who gave the killer access to the passageways to escape, and in return, the killer gives Teddy the knife to frame Charles & Oliver. The reason why only Oliver & Charles received the text is so that it gives Teddy (or maybe Theo) the opportunity to steal the knife, then plant in Charles' apartment. When Mabel texted back saying they found the matchbook with fingerprint, Teddy sends Kreps to retrieve the matchbook, and Theo to collect it from him.
@@DoublePMedia I think he's one of the killers, but I have a feeling he may also be this season 2's murder victim, and Oliver & Will would be the main suspects. What would be really wild is, if the season ends with TWO murders, Teddy & Cinda!!!
@@DoublePMedia What if Teddy and Jan are connected, and Detective Krepps is not glitter guy he is just a red herring, and glitter guy is just some 'rando' prison guard that also works at Coney Island, that is working for Teddy and Jan. This would change a fair bit from season one, Jan kills Tim Kono for Teddy, and then starts a relationship with Charles when they start getting too close.
I can't remember which episode it was but in one of them, Lucy said to Mabel that if things had gone differently, 14 C would still be her front door. Assuming this is Charles' apt. #, this makes your Lucy theory more plausible. Bunny said the number 14 to Mabel before she died. Also, I'm late to voting but Mabel + Theo should be LEO!
Here's an interesting twist. Maybe Marv killed Bunny because he wanted the podcast to continue. He knew about the passages so he could have had access, he seems to have no trouble getting into the building, and his involvement in the podcast brought him a little closer to his estranged daughter.
Theory time... Attacker was Charles' dad. I really want there to be some resolution there to the Leonora/Rose story with the painting. He met with her at lunch at the Pickle Diner where he found out Bunny was going to move to Boca. That's the why now. Charles' dad needs the money after being in and out of jail and being "framed" for Rose Cooper's death. Oh the irony. Killer was Cinda or Poppy. They were drumming up something for their podcast. I'm in the camp of Cinda being the one as she's more cold blooded. After Charles' dad made off with the painting Bunny went to Mabel's for help, knowing they were around. Mabel wasn't home, she still had her hoodie on and up. Cinda was snooping around for evidence or info for the podcast and became opportunistic. I can't totally square away the matchbook in Mabel's vent area. Everyone went to the Pickle Diner. Kreps was glitter guy. Shoulder and glitter on ear are too obvious not to be. Tattoo my butt. There's a common police mobile inbox that he AND Det. Williams have access to which is why there's confusion about who sent the texts. Kreps is Lucy's bio dad, fair skin, right age, she went to him pretty quickly in the lobby. His half arsed act of Lucy being her name was fake. Kreps knew to send a cop to the Brazzos set to get the trio to Bunny's apt. And Lucy was with the trio. Lucy was in Charles' apt this episode. Kreps is keeping an eye on his kid and the trio. Lucy showed up in the Arconia with a black eye. I suspect thats' from step dad #5, hence why she fled to Charles. She shared as much with Kreps who's also looking out for her and using her for some career advancing insight. Lucy's separating the two dads to help them both without further complicating matters. I think there are a ton of people milling about the passageways. I'm curious as to what they do with them at the end of this season. Keep them open or fill them in?
The cake theory is interesting, but to leave a print, the wax would need to be on the matchbook first, then the finger imprinted on it. However, the fact that the perpetrators all seemed to be wearing gloves suggests the print was made prior to Bunny's murder. I think it was imprinted while the person was picking up the matchbook at the diner, and it is ketchup not wax. In the video from ep5, you can see that the person from the diner was not wearing gloves.
Not even sure if this is a possibility, but it seems like every time they show the killer carrying the knife, it's in the left hand. Wouldn’t someone who is about to kill somebody carry the knife in the hand that they’re going to strike with? Could it be a possibility that the killer is left-handed? Should we be looking for someone who’s left-handed?
The person escaping from Mabel's apartment through the floor vent in her closet was holding the knife in the right hand, but the intruder that entered the passageways via Charles' bathroom was holding the knife in his left. But, when he broke in, and subsequently dropped the molding pry bar, it was on his right side, suggesting he might also be right handed.
Questions by character..the killer is in here somewhere. Mabel - did she repress more than is disclosed? Charles - is his dad still alive? Why would the ep8 intruder go through his front door and not the passageways? was he the target or Lucy? why did the painting AND the knife end up at his apt? why frame or mess with him vs. Mabel or Ollver? Oliver - is Will his kid or Teddy's? Lucy - what's Kreps to her? what else does she know that's going on in the Arconia? why'd she have a black eye early on? who else are her step dads? Marv - who's his estranged daughter? is his 6th St. slasher theory legit? to what extent would he go to be "involved"? Kreps - is he just glitter guy or is he also passageway guy? how did he know to send a cop to the set to get the trio to Bunny's? is he Bunny's killer too? how'd he text the trio to set up the matchbook drop? what did he do to deserve his checkered past as Cinda eludes to? Uma - where's she been? does she have any motive? Ursula - what else would she do for money? Howard - did he know about the painting prior to Uma's tour? does he know about passageways (can be said about all characters)? how did he get his black eye? would he help create "hot goss"? Alice - is she just on the come up and using Mabel's fame to help her art career? did she make the fake painting? is she related to anyone on the show? Leonora - is she Rose? if so, how'd she make Rose "disappear"? where's the real painting? what else does she know about Charles or his dad? Det. Williams - she seems to be the only one who thinks the trio isn't involved. how's her number get confused with Kreps? Jonathan - is he just a redherring or does his sneeze mean something? Nina - did her big Arconia plans require bigger moves to execute? Jared - where the hell is he? another red herring? Jan - is she pulling the strings for anyone or just a voyeur? Bunny - who visited her at the pickle diner and why? was she attacked first in her apt then stabbed in Mabels? how'd she get to Mabels? who wanted her painting? where is the original? is the painting tied to her murder? did she really say "14" and "Savage"? if so, why? Lester - is he as nice as he seems? what would he do to protect his job? Teddy - was he out of jail in time to kill Bunny? would he frame Oliver for murder? would he have known about painting? Theo - was he out of jail in time to kill Bunny? would he have helped his dad steal the painting previously? Amy - would she have method acted Jan to an extreme extent? is she just kooky or malicious? Cinda - what other "bodies" have been sacrificed for her career as Poppy indicated? how was she already at the Arconia during ep1 perp walk? how were she and poppy already in bunny's apt in ep6 with Kreps before our trio talking about sound and lights seemingly with him? Poppy - is she just a shill? how blindly will she follow Cinda's lead? would Poppy act on her own to try to advance her career? Oscar/Oscar's dad - out of sight, out of mind. is their absence intentional or not? Sazz - just comic relief? or jealous of Charles' renewed success? any other tie ins? Will - just Oliver's kid or is he more involved? does he know about passageways from his childhood? Ivan - simple young beneficiary of Bunny or something more?
I can answer one of your questions. You asked how Detective William’s phone # and Det Kreb’s # got mixed up. Back when Oliver and Charles got the text that they needed to run out of the building (because Bunny was murdered and police were coming) those 2 assumed that it was Det Williams who sent them this text. Even though Williams said she hadn’t sent it, they didn’t believe her. When they sent a message to that # the person never corrected their assumption …. Turning out to be Krebs they were talking with.
@@gretelh3144 go back to the first episode where she showed up. I thought i saw this and went back specifically to confirm. When she's near the elevator and has the near miss with Mabel and Charles, you can see it. The show never dwelled on it so honestly I don't know if it was unintentional or subtle. Maybe much ado about nothing.
@@gretelh3144 Yes agreed. Can you think of any other interactions the trio may have had just with Det. Williams via mobile in Season 1? I might have presumed they texted with her discretely.
I think the clue this week is Lester phone call to Nina which lives on floor 14 and has access to Charles apartment through the passage way I think the build meets her partner rather than Nina herself
Maybe Lucy is not really Lucy, but an imposter. None of the characters has talked directly to Lucy's mother. This girl could be making this and more all up. We only know she was being chased by what she has said. She also hid that fact from Charles. Hmmmm.. Also she 'found' the murder weapon. Maybe she had to, because she had her fingerprints all over it? I need to think this through more, but there might be something to this. The question is why. That answer might be resolved once we know who she is.
What was one of the first things he said to Lucy when he saw her. Lucy with a question mark. He had not seen or had communication with Lucy in years. He wanted it to be Lucy, therefore it is Lucy.
I thought about a possible motive for this person that I consider to be an imposter instead of Lucy. Maybe she wants to create her own podcast about the trio. She definitely has a verbal skills, and the interest in podcast.
Not sure why Uma has been so ignored as a suspect, she has so much possible/probable connection to the story. She had a special highlight early in the season (Bunny’s Last Day) as Bunny’s good friend, more than friend, possible half-sibling (she and bunny look a lot alike, similar age, long history at the building). She pretended to come in specifically looking for the painting and knew about it (from her past? Her mother painted it?) BUT brought Howard with her as witness that she was surprised it was gone. Someone planted a fake in Charles’ apt or swapped real and fake later, likely killer using same secret passages. She could easily have motive if Bunny planned to sell it and made Uma mad. Maybe Uma and Bunny are half siblings and Uma has always been jealous of Bunny’s favored childhood, believes she should have inherited Savage 14 (the fourteenth work Art, implying many more before this?). Would make sense Bunny would highlight this to Mabel as she’s dying because it’s wrapped up in the motive. Lastly, she would likely know about the secret passage ways if she grew up in the Arconium like Bunny did, a key piece of knowledge for the killer to have.
I don't think Uma killed bunny cause first it doesn't fit the body type of the killer and she was best friends with Bunny she even had a key to her house so she could just go and take the painting whenever she wanted so why would she kill bunny over a painting??And why now??U said that Bunny planned to sell it but as we know she didn't want to talk to that other person about the painting she didn't have that intention.Howard on the other hand is suspicious to me Uma went to take the painting cause of course she would know it costs much and has a big worth and maybe it was in Bunny's will for Uma to take it as she wouldn't give it to a stranger.Howard as i said acted surprised also i don't believe nina gave him the black eye and he said that he knew jan was the murderer... Howard knows much maybe he is a witness and protecting someone or he is actually involved
I thought Mabel would be more determined this time. I was a little disappointed to see that she was left standing without accusing Krps of stealing her bag.
What about Lucy? The most we know about the “killer” is what Lucy “saw” him, which by the way she always refers to them as they, in the passageway. What if these are not real memories and she’s just saying that she saw the killer that night but what if she was the killer and she was in there because she was trying to escape. I’ve also seen the theory that Maybe Marv is her new stepdad, what if he’s trying to make her like him and she gives him this mission to kill Mabel (cause she’s jealous of how much time she spends with Charles) but he accidentally kills bunny instead because she’s in Mabel’s apartment. He then goes into the passageway where he meets Lucy and they both escape from there. Idk this show is so addicting and idek what to think anymore. I feel like I can’t figure it out there’s so much leading in different directions which I love.
How can Lucy be the killer??She has different body type and we literally saw the killer with the knife breaking into Charles apartment and that's not a story Lucy imagined or her memories...it actually happened
In the opening credits there is always a cop car outside the arconia. The clue was the one room who still had lights on. I don't know who she is though.
Glitter can get everywhere, I once send a friend a letter filled with glitter, his mom carried it through the house to his room and since there was a slight opening in the envelope she spread glitter through the house. Maybe Kreps grapled with glitter guy and then rubbed his neck transferring glitter onto his exposed flesh, he might have even caught glitter guy, but would not be telling his other suspects?
What do you all make of the fact that the masked person breaking into Charles' apartment is holding a knife as they enter the secret passage. However, as the masked person is climbing down the ladder to the 12th floor (???), there is no longer a knife? Was it another plant, or was it another person. Also, if the masked person in Kreps, would he be holding the flashlight in his left had, the side where Mabel stabbed him??? Just wanted to hear what you all think. Love the videos!!!
I think the show jumpes all over in time... Charles falls down a sewer and ends up in the interrogation room... Kinda like a worm hole or Marrio brothers tube 🤣 . Mabel's memories are all over the place. Lucy been in town since moms wedding, Mabel wearing a ring on the roof but not before she goes up of after? All weird timing and memory related things. Also first season starts with Mabel funding bunny the goes back to Tim's murder which they state happened earlier. I really have no clue who did this ... had my suspicions but i like the surprise. Oh i forgot... The painting wasn't it weird that in season one the painting on Charles wall was a woman without a face... When Jan sat down in front of it a light bulb went off in my head. What if this painting has the identity of the killer in it or hidden in it? Too obvious maybe?
Here are my theories: I think Marv is the 6th Ave Slasher. He wants so badly to be a part of the podcast, and that the only way he could be an involved was through being a murderer. I believe he is Alice's Father. Marv said he was estranged from his daughter. He also knows how to navigate through the secret tunnels of the Arconia. What if when Alice was younger she went with Marv on the job to clear out mold. So she would know the ends and outs of the tunnels. This is how she entered Mabel's apartment without a key to recreate Bunny's death. Alice could have painted a fake Rose Cooper painting swaped it for the real one, and hid it at the art gallery. Alice could have did the painting swap on the night that Bunny died. I think there were two people in masks and boots that night, one of them was Alice and the other the killer.
Kreps is glitter guy, when Howards boyfriend bumped into him he was in pain for an alleged 'Tattoo' but that is where Mabel stabbed Glitter Guy. I think Howards BF is the guy in the tunnel in the first couple episodes. Marv could be the person in the room.
Listening to your videos is as much fun as actually watching OMITB. Last week I wrote noting “glitter guy” is definitely a dude. This week we note the masked man chasing Lucy through the bowels of the Arconia is definitely left-handed. Is Michael Rapaport left-handed? There has to be more than one bad guy this season. Also, a couple of the viewer comments/theories are absolute genius; e.g., How exactly did Alice know how Bunny was dressed on the night of her murder? The cake theory. That’s genius. And where the hell is Detective Williams? She returns early from maternity leave to confiscate a vital piece of evidence and no one has heard from her since? I live in a high rise. We don’t have a doorman but we do have a staffed front desk and I just gotta say the security at the Arconia is crap. I mean, that place is like a high-end bus station. Strangers coming and going at all hours. Lastly, based upon the date of construction, I am betting the Arconia is largely built of wood. Has no one ever lived in a one-hundred-year-old wooden building? Every step is likely to produce audible creaking. The very idea you could slink through corridors hidden behind plaster walls undetected is ludicrous.
They were building steel and concrete building at that time. Getting 14 stories out of wood is difficult and would have burned down by now. The main structure would be incombustible steel, masonry, and concrete, the interior walls would either be hollow clay tiles or wood framing with plaster. But Lester did receive a complaint that there were noises in the building in the episode season 1 where Theo stole the key from the front desk. The hidden passages were also used as part of the heating system so maintenance people must have know about them.
Thanks for the great video and all the hard work! As for the best season, it’s hard for me to form an opinion since I binged all of S1 in one night (and then I watched it again with a friend the next night haha), and I’m watching this season episode by episode. So idk, I will say that I feel S1 had more “thrills” / mouth drops when it came to the reveals
@@DoublePMedia the binge 100% 😂 I legit started S1 at like 9pm Friday night in my college dorm and then finished it Saturday morning at like 4/5am … then Saturday night I watched it all over again with a girl at again 9pm and we finished it at 4/5am and it was crazy watching it with someone else! She spent the night bc she didn’t want to walk back to her dorm haha …. The binge is always more fun for me. How about you?
Last season, they only found the killer after doing something very basic in the investigation: ask the neighbor. I wonder if there's something fundamental they missed this season that would point to the answer.
I keep thinking they should just ask the Pickle Diner server who served Bunny and her "friend" the day before Bunny saw Ivan. Clearly the server from the day before would be able to describe the person Bunny was with. Why would they try to rely on security footage when they could just ask that other server who he saw with Bunny?? I feel like the show conveniently ignored this avenue but am happy to be proven wrong!
Some theories & thoughts. Sorry for the long post! Here's who I think DIDN'T kill Bunny, and reasons: 1. Cinda: If Cinda had planned Bunny’s murder, it would occur outside the building, like in an alley way; having it inside the building would just generate more content for her competition. Cinda is too calculating to make that kind of mistake. 2. Lucy: If Lucy was the killer, she would have disposed of the knife by throwing it away, or by hiding it somewhere in the passageways. If she wanted to frame Charles & Oliver, she wouldn’t have pulled out the knife. Instead, she would have left an anonymous tip for the police to search Charles’ apartment. Showing them the knife gives them the opportunity to dispose of it, or have it analyzed. Bunny stabbed 9 times, 8 with knife, once with knitting needle: - To me, this wasn't a crime where the motivation is self-gain. Assuming the killer isn't psychotic & just killing for fun, I think the motive is revenge, with lots of hatred & anger. I think the killer is a grandchild of Rose Cooper; 3 stabs for each generation ruined by the actions of Leonora Folger! Theory involving Leonora, Rose, Charles' dad (CD) and the painting: - Leonora was in a 3-way relationship with Rose & CD, and came up with a scheme to raise the value of the painting by faking Rose's death. She conned Rose into selling her the painting with promises to give her back the proceeds when the painting goes up in value. Since Rose's body was never recovered, CD, who was in love with Rose, had to confess to the murder to convince the courts the death was real. Lenora then smuggled Rose to England to hide, and when the value of her painting sky-rocketed due to her mysterious death, Leonora betrayed Rose and left her stranded in England, because she wanted CD & the painting to herself. Leonara was supposed to bail out CD after a short period of time in prison, but upon learning of Leonora's deceit he rejects her and cuts off all ties. Rose, who was pregnant with child, then gave birth to a son. - The reboot of Brazzos, with Charles being “Uncle Brazzos” is another clue that Charles has a niece or nephew. I suppose any number of people could be descendants of Rose Cooper, e.g. Ivan, Howard, Kreps, Poppy, Cinda, but this is why I think it is Alice: - Lots of "Alice in Wonderland" references by the show-runners including (in ep 3) the rabbit with magnifying glass, English Tea tin, brass key, and references to waistcoats (as in the one worn by white rabbit). - Alice watching “Encounters at Uppsala”, a very obscure foreign film, is just too coincidental. I think she was researching Charles because he is her uncle. - The attacker at Bunny's door seems to be about Bunny's height, based on Bunny's gaze, and arm angle of the attacker. The shadow of Bunny & the attacker also supports this, and further suggests the attacker has a slim build. Note that Poppy also fits this profile. - Jan thinks that it is an artist that composes a scene, and Alice definitely fits that profile. - Alice has the Son of Sam card, as does Teddy (whom I think is the one framing the trio). - Bunny recognized her attacker so it makes sense that her last words would identify her attacker. The back of the forged painting is signed "Savage" and most would agree Alice is likely the forger, so it's possible that "Savage" is the name Bunny knows her by. I think the killer's accomplice is Teddy, and here are my reasons: - Bunny grew up in the Arconia and if she knew about the elevator, she likely knew about the passageways. Evidence of this is that she seems to know details of all of the residents, such as Will breaking a window when he was a child, because she has been spying on them. She may even have known about Teddy's infidelity and his criminal organization, but now that everyone else knows he is a grave-robber, she has to evict him. This gives him motive to get rid of her. - Teddy likely knew of the secret passageways also, and may even have used it in his criminal enterprise. He offers to help the killer escape by means of the passageways, and in exchange, the killer gives Teddy the knife so that he can frame the trio. - Teddy has Oliver's number, and likely Charles' number too (probably from Oliver), and texts them to get out of the building, giving him (and maybe Theo) the opportunity to steal Oliver's knife, and plant it in Charles' apartment. The masked person Lucy saw the night of Bunny's murder made clicking sounds with every step (like from an ankle bracelet), further suggesting it was either Teddy or Theo. - Teddy hires Kreps to retrieve the matchbook evidence as it likely has his fingerprint on it, and sends Theo to collect it. This could also explain the slew of missed calls from Teddy on Theo''s phone the day he went to Coney Island, as Teddy was waiting for an update.
I think the detective is actually the slayer and never got caught as he can just manipulate every investigation. Maybe he has family or friends in the building and took the opportunity with Bunny (being alone) to commit another crime. His family / friends helped him plant the false evidence. Maybe he blackmailed the Dimas family into helping him? The painting mystery is probably something unrelated to the murder and serves as a red herring. There are a lot of good theories and I change my mind every episode. XD
Yes! That's what I think too. I'm wondering if he killed Bunny. I'm also wondering if he's after Mabel too. Maybe he's the guy in her "dream." I don't think it's a dream but a repressed memory. Maybe he tried killing her before but she stabbed him, she doesn't remember and he's afraid one day she will and he will be exposed.
I also suspect Will and we still don't know the dna results..i think they stretched that issue for a reason.Bunny threatened to kick Oliver out and sent him many warnings so maybe Will killed her for that but still that's not a strong motive...also Will is around innocent little kids i can't believe he would be so cruel to stab someone 8 times and also being able to break into Charles apartment with a knife...i really hope it's not Will
Dude I reckon detective kreps came into Charles apartment to plant a knife as evidence maybe? Kreps is Lucy’s new dad I think that’s why she went to talk to him alone first?
Mabel described Jared as a sexy MMA fighter. I think the chicken is related to cock fighting and that’s why Nina is on another puzzle piece. I have no clue how Jared fits into anything, though. All I know is that from episode 8, there’s lots of people we can cross off the list but not Jared. We can’t account for where he was in the blackout and chase. Oscar is still #1 on my list. He bragged about knowing the value of stuff in season 1 so he would know that the painting was valuable. I believe that Krepps did get a tattoo. I think he got it at Tavo Moya’s tattoo shop on Shore Drive from season 1 and was in contact with glitter guy, like a bro hug or something. I think he was there specifically bc of Cutter and the jewelry stuff from season 1. Bunny’s murder has something to do with that engagement ring and not the painting. I think the painting will be the subject of season 3. I think she said ‘engagement ring’ not savage 14.
Normally I watch OMITB on our Roku. I am realizing that I can see on my desktop some suspicious things that I never noticed before.
I just realized that in the episode of Bunny's last day, when she went to the street food vendor name Tommy, not only did she never payed for her breakfast (even though she took out her wallet) but Tommy handed her a piece of white paper and then Bunny stashed it in her wallet. The camera zoomed and lingered for a quick second on the paper and Bunny's wallet as she placed it inside.
It might mean nothing. It just might be showing all the items she had that showed what her last day was like. But it felt a tiny bit odd to me when I finally realized that she was taking something from Tommy other than the food and not paying.
She was talking to Tommy about a basketball game and how her team lost. In fact, she talked about the same basketball game with her parrot as well.
Could Bunny have been betting on games? Did she have gambling problem? Is that why the Rose Cooper painting disappeared? Did she sell it to cover her betting debts and then replaced it with a fake so that no one would know?
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That's definitely a theory i haven't heard before it's very interesting and that would be unexpected
I am really liking the tension and pacing of this season. With two episodes left, we are being properly and cunningly misled. :) Love that. I feel like the show writers listened to viewers who expressed frustration with the nature of Season 1's Jan reveal. I do NOT feel at this point like we can assume we know who the killer is (to your point about assumptions). Very good, show. :)
Johnathan mentioned he played one of the hyenas in the Lion King. In the Lion King there were 3 hyenas that served as henchmen for Scar. Maybe Johnathan is one of 3 henchmen working for someone who has been pulling all the strings?
That would explain the parade of people marching thru the secret passageways
That makes sense!I can see him totally being connected to teddy Dimas as like one of the henchmen! Maybe teddy helped out johnathan out early on in his career and helped him land roles in broadway, so he wanted to help teddy get revenge. I wonder what johnathans motives are with Howard, I mean johnathan could be acting only to have access to his apartment? Or information? I mean didn’t the show also mention that he was renting on the floor or like had a license? It seems timed well if he moved there for the purpose of helping teddy.
OMG KREP IS THE SECOND ONE! Didn’t teddy pay off the cops when Theo supposedly pushed Mabel’s friend off the roof? Would that mean that teddy and Krupp’s have had shady interactions beforehand? Maybe teddy told krep that he would help him save his career and get revenge also on Mabel. Idk I could be wrong but I think it also be a possibility
@@DoublePMedia look below plz on something I wrote possibly helping the hyena theory
I also think about the writers kept going back to Will directing Wizard of Oz over and over. Makes me think there are multiple killers, too, like the scarecrow, tin man (Grover. "Nobody cares about the tin man"), and the cowardly lion (Howard?).
For 3 henchmen, perhaps Jonathan, Marv and Mark?
I love all the little details that viewers pick up on like the similar flashlights, all the intruders wore gloves, etc. Sometimes I wonder if those choices are intentional or if the props department is just trying to keep things simple. (I honestly don't know.) Thank you for another wonderful episode. They are appreciated! I love your commentary and also the comments from fans who post below the video.
All the posts are great! When Lester suddenly handed Charles his hat... that's when I think the OMITB continuity team had an oops :)
@@DoublePMedia when was that?
@@JoeysMagGoth Season 1 as Charles rushed to follow Mabel
Jan said an artist who composed the murder scene is the killer. It'n not Alice. It's Rose Cooper (Leonora) and her henchmen. I think Leonora is Rose Cooper. There is a famous Opera "Fidelio" written by Beethoven. Where heroine Leonora is disguised under the name Fidelio. Remember someone called Bunny while she was on a walk and Bunny said Oh it's you, I don't want to talk about the painting. Honestly, it's sounds like a mother - daughter dialogue. (mother and daughter that don't really get along)
Love itttt
I think Leonora is dead and the lady is Rose Cooper. She said she had a bill of sale so only the person selling the painting would have a bill of sale. The person buying it would have a receipt.
@@lamplight6942 exactly. I was sure that was Rose Cooper immediately.
@@lamplight6942 Maybe Leonora was Rose Cooper for a while. Wasn’t there something about Leonora needing to get away from someone? So she could’ve moved to an apartment across the street and created paintings and had an affair with Charles’ dad. Leonora told Charles that she had an affair with his dad and Charles was astounded that his dad had an affair with both ladies. Leonora didn’t reply to that.
Yes exactly, but also i agree that Leonora is dead cause it might have been implied at some point that bunny doesn't have a family..also Rose's death is a mystery so what if she isn't dead?
Theory! We believe that are multiple people doing different things BUT the Krepps is NOT the only glitter guy. We think that there are 2 glitter guys (one is Detective Krepps and the other is the one from the night Bunny was killed).
We think that detective Krepps, obviously not trusting the trio to stop investigating (something he has asked them multiple times) has been following the trio in his police capacity to ensure that they do not hide any more evidence or/and forge/incriminate themselves. We think that Krepp's wouldn't have followed the trio until Oliver and Charles were surprised that Williams was in Denver suggesting that they are hiding something. Which also would fit with Williams coming with her baby to meet Charles and Oliver suspecting that they are indeed hiding something. We think that Krepps followed the trio when they planted the glitter bomb and tried to catch the guy but couldn't. He instead found a card from Coney Island and decided to go there. Realising that Mabel is still hiding evidence he fakenly attacks her in the underground (it didn't seem like they struggled too much which suggests that the guy who attacked her didn't want to hurt her) and then goes to Coney Island to follow the clues - which would also explain why he didn't take his mask off - it was not his locker room! That's why they didn't identify him immediately from the files in Coney Island.
By the way an additional clue that we found which seems weird to us. In season 1 episode 2 "Who is Tim Kono" in the flashback that Mabel has from the party that Zoe was killed we can CLEARLY see Theo walking behind Mabel right at the time that Zoe screams. Then how was he the one who pushed her if we the audience saw him right at the time that we heard the scream. We think that possibly Will killed Zoe which would explain why Theo cannot remember what exactly happened on the night and even the breakdown in his relationship with his dad (if Teddy Dimas was protecting Will thinking he is his son and threw Theo under the bus).
As for Marv's daughter it would also make sense if Poppy is his daughter. Hence how his fascination and love for crime podcasts started, why he is obsessed with the Sixth Avenue Slasher (tries to solve it so his daughter is proud of him) and why Poppy has decided to help the trio.
Poppy being Marv's daughter would be great! How could she not invite Marv to the wedding?!?!
@@DoublePMedia thank you for the podcast! We were looking forward to listening to the theories 😉 (oops we must have missed the wedding bit!)
Hey i also think that there is more than one person involved.Glitter guy(kreps)is a shitty cop cause if u remember in season 1 someone tried to cover evidence...Detective Williams sent Tim's phone to be checked but that never happened also we know that Kreps has a bad reputation so maybe for some money he could do the dirty work...so either someone pays him or he does it on his own for personal reasons either way he doesn't want the truth to be found cause he also wanted Cinda and the trio to stop the podcast. In this episode we eliminated some suspects cause we saw where they were during the blackout.We also saw the killer.I suspect the killer is Will, Mark or Nina's husband but i really don't want it to be Will i can't believe he would be so cruel..Besides that i don't understand why the glitter guy texted only Charles and Oliver to leave the building that night and why did he set himself up?He told the trio that Williams was in Denver and the trio understood that they weren't talking to her also he was wearing a mask so how did he have glitter on his neck?We know Kreps is glitter guy but i still have my doubts
@@cookiesandmilk686 We still dont know why the killer hates the trio
omg i can see this with Will being a thing
I'm going out on a limb. I think Marv is the person who was waiting for Mabel in her apartment and the one who killed Bunny. I think Marv is the 6th Ave Slasher. I also believe he's the person in Mabel's "dream," which I believe is a repressed memory. She blacked out the incident. He's afraid one day she'll remember and expose him.
Marv will either be a hero or a villain.
Very compelling theory.
@@DoublePMedia bunny said 14 and savage.and charles lives in 14c and he has the name savage,the killer wants to do something with him.skmeone related to Jan maybe getting revenge fire her.
REALLY interesting theory!
I agree, the killer is in her repressed memory, whether it's mark or not I'm not sure. The murder is clearly connected to her dream, I mean what are the odds in bunny dying the same way as she's dreamed for ages.
Final Theory
I believe there are multiple people doing different things in this thing.
First, I think Bunny hired Alice to make a forgery of her painting. It is evidenced by the recreation of the crime scene that Alice can recreate Mabel’s art.
Alice also happens to be the daughter of Marv. Marv stated his daughter recently came out and hates him. That profile fits Alice and continues the familial relationship themes of this season.
Bunny then sold that painting to help get some additional retirement money. This is also why she was able to tip Ivan the waiter so much one final time.
On the night Bunny died, Howard came to visit her about the painting. He wants it so he can sell it and go on a yodeling tour with his quartet. He gets physical and Bunny punches him, giving him a black eye.
Bunny then runs to Mabel’s apartment where she last saw the trio and is stabbed by the killer who was expecting Mabel. I believe the killer is either Poppy or Cinda.
Poppy’s motive: she could kill one of the trio and it would easier to frame Charles and Oliver. She would then give Cinda new material for a podcast and finally get a promotion
Cinda’s motive: New material for a podcast
Obviously, Kreps is the GG. His motive is that he wants the podcasters to do all the work, then he swoops in with the evidence and gets the glory.
Few things that don’t really fit in anywhere in particular for me yet:
Lucy may be working with Kreps in some capacity. I also think she’s been living in the passageways since she got back in town.
Bunny supposedly had no family but then Leonora showed up.
Leonora is the woman in the painting
all this time without calling. Charles haven't seen her in years so how can he be sure who she is?
Your right about Leonoran. I don't think she is Bunny's mother. Bunny said she has no family.
It all makes sense now but i don't think Cinda or Poppy are the killers...yes they took advantage of Mabel's situation to get more views in their podcast but going that far for a podcast??Also Mabel was the one that didn't get the text to get out of the building...she was the target...you are right maybe they mistaken bunny for Mabel and after seeing that it was bunny they stabbed her with a needle to frame Mabel.Also i think that Alice and Cinda work together.."Cinda will do anything to tell a good story"that's what poppy said and Cinda can tell a story by working with Alice to recreate the murder scene also Alice recorded Mabel breaking that sculpture so they can tell many things in Cinda's podcast to portray Mabel as the bad, violent type.But if that's not what poppy meant then maybe Cinda payed someone to put evidence in their house.Also did leonora claim to be her mother because she wanted to take the painting?Maybe she is Rose idk
Love this -- my question points is again about motives:
1. The Howard motive is a question (my own Howard theory has a weak point on motive too)
2. Why would Poppy or Cinda want to kill Mabel or Bunny?
Why didn't Uma say anything about 'Bunny not having any family' when Lenora showed up???
Thank you for mentioning my theory! I wanted to add something I’ve noticed about the writers. I’m not sure if it’s coincidence but, I’ve noticed that they have mentioned some parts of Steve and Martin’s as well as Nathan’s past acting roles. Steve and Martin were both in father of the bride where they helped Steve’s pregnant daughter Anne, played by Kimberly Williams-Paisley, when she is in labor. Nathan also voiced Timon in the Lion King. Just a little something I’ve picked up on over the past episodes
This was an amazing episode. Krepes is glitter guy but not the killer. Perhaps conspiringwith the killer or killers. Only 2 episodes left and is so much left to reveal. I can't wait.
I don't know if someone mentioned this yet, but as I rewatched episode 8, I noticed that when the "killer" followed Lucy down to the 12th floor he/she didn't have the knife in their hand anymore. When they broke into the apartment they had the knife in the left hand and the flashlight in the right hand. As they came down the ladder the flashlight was in the left hand and no knife. I looked and looked again and I couldn't see it. I wonder where it went and if he/she was really after Lucy. Idk. When I think I've found a clue I have so many questions. I guess that is the point, lol. I love this show. I really like this channel for OMITB content. Thank you!
I think that there were two masked people in the tunnels the night Bunny died. One that swapped the Rose Cooper painting with a fake one. While the other killed Bunny.
Although it’s practically been confirmed, I’m still questioning Detective Kreps being the glitter guy. In all the shots of him (glitter guy), he is seen wearing a full face mask that I’m almost positive covers his neck. How did the glitter get on detective kreps’s neck if glitter guy had that mask on when the glitter exploded?
Ahhh this is so smart. I have a hunch it won't come into question which would be a letdown! But who knows.
Also why would he text only Oliver and Charles to get out of the building that night and why did he set himself up by saying that Williams was in Denver??The trio understood that they weren't talking to Williams
@@cookiesandmilk686 I've been thinking about that too! It doesn't make any sense that he would contradict himself knowing that he had already told the trio she was on maternity leave. Something just isn't adding up with him being the glitter guy
@@PluviophileTraveller I hope they end up addressing it! It would be a really good red herring if they had done that purposely.
Don’t forget, glitter IS impossible to get rid of… even just taking off that full mask could leave a trail, and it’s in the perfect spot that he can’t see on himself without a true 369 reflection… as a former theatre geek myself, I legit thought of the glitter before the words left his mouth 😂
Going back to the building as a character. The Bunny’s secret elevator only has a call sign that goes to the 11th floor. A similar residential building in NY- The Arcadian was intended to be 20 stories high but at 17 the charismatic architect decided it was high enough. Could our rapscallion architect have decided that 11 wasn't tall enough and so built it to 13 with a penthouse? The building I work in was build 9 stories in 1905, 5 years later then added 6 stories to make 12 + a penthouse. The older building were strong enough that they could add additional floors. It may be that the original elevators were like what Bunny's secret elevator is like, old elevators were very small, the ones the Arcania now uses are much more modern that the building. Maybe Bunny's elevator was not always secret but one of the building elevators until they were replaced at a much later date. Older buildings like the Dakota and the Belnord have a bunch of elevators and stairways scattered through out the building not the long corridors shown in the series. This was so that the residents would feel like they were in separate homes, each elevator only serving 4 units per floor. So there are other units that might have secret elevators in them, lots of people could know about the catacombs and elevators.
U are rightt
thanks for featuring my comment in this video! made my day. I do think Lucy's off the suspects list if she's using an iphone this episode. I'm gunning for Howard now, you've convinced me. See you here next week for another video. Can't wait
I missed how the iPhone plays into all this. Can you give me a rundown?
The Gist: Belief that Apple won't allow TV shows and Movies to have iPhones in the hands of murderers/villains. So if a character has an iPhone = they're good.
Also what a great touch with the weekly musical analysis! Great work, Matt!
He's on Twitter @musicalconcepts
Thanks for your ccmments J - very much appreciated! - Matt
@@DoublePMedia Awesome, thanks!
@@matthewmurdick You're very welcome, Matt!
I like your thought about Jonathan being an undercover cop. A couple weeks ago I said the whole "are you a cop or an actor....you look like an actor" exchange was curious. At the time my impulse was that it was pointing the finger at Sazz, and I'm generally still in that headspace, but maybe it was foreshadowing precisely this dynamic with "the hyena"?
This looks like a good place to post my questions:
Why was Bunny killed in Mabel's apartment? It's not even on the same floor as Bunny's apartment.
Who texted Oliver and Charles to tell them to get out of the building and why?
Who sent full swat teams to the building possibly even before Bunny was killed? It takes time to get swat teams together and on location. Who knew it was going to happen and why all those agents? What were they expecting?
What happened to Mabel's artist girlfriend (forgot her name, sorry)? She was the son of Sam in the game, what did that mean? What was the whole "recreating Mabel's experience" about?
How about Bunny's mother? Is she coming back?
Lots of loose ends ... I hope they don't carry them through season 3 because i don't know if i can wait that long for answers!!
Could the season start and end with the same cliffhanger?
I wanted to give a shout out to our comentator! Your voice is perfect, pleasant to listed to, well prepared and not peppered with awkward pauses. You podcast is the only one I can consistently listen to and look forward to as much as the series. I appreciate this series for the things it does not do, it is not linear, they are not telling us everything and I don't think there is any way we can deduce who its the killers based on what they have told us. It is great to watch something were I can't already anticipate the story, the characters are all surprises, the developments are inventive, yodel shop, and the building a dream. Almost as obscure as the series Phantasm - people dying and them back alive int he next scene, flying Christmas balls, and the tall man, but they didn't have Howard.
I had to comment because I haven't seen anyone talking about this. I always notice if someone has a particular way of moving. When Lucy "sees" the figure in the passageway (or at least we see) on the night Bunny died, the person has a very distinctive walk. Very stiff, the arms are barely moving, and then when they swivel back and forth to change direction they keep their feet planted in place and just turn them. It's very robotic. The camera also zooms in on their feet when they do this. We see the person who follows Lucy down the ladder in ep 8 (not holding the knife!!) do the same robotic swivel and walk stiffly in the other direction when they see the light.
Now, the person who broke into Charles' apartment, who was holding the knife, we don't really see much walking from them. They do a swivel in the bathroom when they see the secret passage open, but it's less distinctive than the other instances. I'm on the fence about if the knife person and the person we see both times in the passageway are the same - we just don't see enough of them.
I think this detail is important in identifying and differentiating the people we've seen. Oliver even asks in this episode if the killer "walked funny." Lucy says no, but I don't think she actually saw him walking! After watching most of this episode a second time, when Jonathan sneezes in Howard's apartment - which I've seen comments that this is probably a red herring, but if you listen to Jonathan's sneeze and the original passageway person's sneeze back to back, they sound EXTREMELY similar - and stands up to leave, he does a swivel to change direction that looks like a less dramatic version of the passageway person's swivel, and then we see him walk away in the background when the camera is focused on Howard, and if you look closely, his arms are very stiff and by his sides. The shape of the flashlight he's carrying outside Howard's front door is also remarkably similar to the flashlight the OG passageway person is using, and he has the right body type. think the OG passageway person is Jonathan, but I don't think he's Bunny's killer.
Since this ep showed Howard and Jonathan together during the blackout intercut with Lucy running from the masked person, I assumed that the events were happening simultaneously and therefore neither Jonathan or Howard could be the person chasing Lucy... But what if these events AREN'T happening at the same time? I feel like this might be a departure from the show's usual editing style, but I'm not taking anything for granted right now.
Sorry for the super long comment, but none of my friends watch the show so I can't bounce these ideas off them! Thank you for your videos and please keep them coming!!
It's interesting that you think that the person with the knife entering Charles' apartment may not be the same person who was climbing down the ladder without the knife. Because I noticed a detail about the molding pry bar the intruder used to break-in, which I initially thought was a continuity error, but I could be wrong. When he dropped the bar, the claw (right angled) end was facing away from main door, but when Mabel walked in, the claw-end was facing the main door! Which could mean (if this was not an error) that someone else may have entered the apartment and accidentally changed the orientation of the molding bar.
Also, could the molding pry bar be the equivalent of the bassoon cleaner from season1? Are any of the suspects connected to an environment where construction or renovation is going on? The only places I can think of are:
1) Mabel's place, where it's been under construction for awhile,
2) the Brazzo's TV set, or
3) Alice's studio that has been heavily renovated to look like Mabel's apartment.
Interesting stuff. I wonder why the intruder to Charles apt this episode went thru the front door at all? Why not the passageway?
I like how they gave Howard a alibi for this episode
Still doesn't explain his black eye
Love the analysis, look forward to the next one
Your podcasts are as enjoyable as the series. Thank you.
I love the idea of Krebs looking into the Dimas family and being the one who tried to deter the trio from interfering! Cinda alluded to him being either corrupt or in poor standing with his career, so it would make sense that he would try and somehow either discredit the trio or try and paint them as bigger fish to catch to pad his resume
I recall reading a post somewhere about a theory that the real Rose Cooper painting could be hidden in Mrs Gambolini's cage, and at the time I thought that it would be risky to store a million dollar painting inside a cage where it could get soiled & damaged. I went back to ep2, and noticed that the cage is actually sitting atop a platform box with wheels, and that platform is fairly thick (about 10" ?) and has more than enough space to store the painting if one of the panels can be removed. Is it possible Bunny might have hidden it there?
Tonight's episode confirmed this !!!
@@Mari-sm9zp Yay, I got 1 thing right! 😄
Love this season and our main three have really bonded. Great back and forth on the staircase. What can’t dips do! The blackout musical scene was just genius. Who knew yodelling could be so beautiful. Few more ideas after this episode: Jonathan is in the chorus line in Lion King so was he one of the chorus who fell in Splash? Revenge on Oliver? Hope Howard and Sevelyn stay safe🙏Kreps is seemingly glitter guy…why glare at Oliver when he walks past? Kreps also becomes sinister when he talks about perk of job interviewing teenage girls? Very creepy! Worried for Mabel and Marv. Mabel did worry she could be next last season…surely we can’t lose her? Hope Marv doesn’t try and investigate on his own. Whoever broke into Charles’ apartment knew he wasn’t there…Kreps? Jonathan? Or perhaps Charles’ neighbour who knew Lucy well? Can’t wait for the next episode!!!!
Ivan is Teddy's henchman 100%. Dips he gave Oliver must have been poisened. Teddy promised Oliver that one day he will slip his fingers into Teddy's dips and realize he is choking. Blackout was caused by Teddy for more than one purpose and this is one of them. Also Uma said that Bunny was lonely and had no family. This means Bunny had bad relationship with her mother for Uma to say nobody cared for Bunny. Leonora doesn't seem devasted at all that her daughter was brutally murdered.
There is this theory that Leonora is actually Rose because we know that Bunny doesn't have a family..
@@cookiesandmilk686 Uma would have known, wouldn't she? But she didn't say anything. So i don't think this is it
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Mable also stabbed glitter guy in the train with a knitting needle, how are these needles randomly appearing? Does mable carry them around with her? Maybe an unconcious thing for her own protection. How did detective kreps also know in the interrogation bunny was stabbed? Since bunny at the time only had a knitting needle in her. We see the killer taking the knife away. someone is clearly accessing the flats through the tunnles and moving evidence around into different apartments to frame each one and link her to bunny. Mable with the knitting needle, Charles with the painting and Oliver with the knife.
It is obvious that someone wants to frame the trio and it could be Cinda too maybe he hired someone to do it for her idk also Mabel carries needles with her for her protection did u forget how her and Oscar meet again in the first season?She was ready to attack him and about detective kreps it isn't a mystery that he knew bunny was stabbed that's literally his job
Bunny was wearing the hoodie that Oscar was known for wearing, not Mabel. Whoever put the knitting needle in Bunny could have thought it was Oscar and wanted to frame Mabel for killing him. (I think that bit is masterminded by cinda but carried out by others)
Oh hey, what? I never thought of that but you're right... good catch.
I am with QueenB- I think the killer and the person in Mabel´s apartment are differnt people with different motives!
and I just hope Marv is not the killer. Poor guy works with mold! MOLD!
At the season 1 finale, Cinda and Poppy were there in the court yard. We now know Kreps is Glitter Bomb, so what if they are working together to frame them to both get what they want. Cinda gets another great podcast season and Detective Kreps moves up in his field and solves a big mystery. I don’t have everything else figured out this is just a thought that came to me after the episode. Still confusing as to why Kreps would text them to get out of the building. If that was even him. Maybe he or whoever texted that meant it only for Charles and Oliver and somehow knew Mable went downstairs. And they are framing this on Mable. And Kreps has been after Mable this whole season!
Just watched the next episode and I think I can answer that question. You were totally on the money about Cinda being the one trying to frame Mabel and working with Kreps as one of her henchmen. It wasn't Kreps that sent the text to get out of the building though it was Poppy. Poppy knows what happened but Cinda is blackmailing her to keep quiet about it.
Jonathan's flashlight matches with the sneezers during bunny's murder. The person chasing Lucy had a flashlight like Marv's with a pistol handle and large lense.
Charlie is a great Arconiac. We've had boot watch, and glove watch, and glitter watch. We've entered Flashlight watch!
@@DoublePMedia wait please Nina lives on 14 and bunny said 14 as she died.maybe it's her husband that also lives with Nina,or maybe it's Nina.or maybe there is something going on in the room 14.its one of the 3 numbers that can't be reached with the elevator.
@@DoublePMedia please add jumpsuit watch
Marv wears disposable ppc personal protective clothing
Alice wears overalls half mast tied at waist.
S8 jumpsuit guy following Lucy was wearing expensive cloth overalls.
Thought i could narrow down ID just by left or right handedness - from knife/torch. Only found Cinda distinctly using pen with left hand.
Good writing keeping me with blurred vision!
@@amandawoods847 Hell yeah: Boot watch, Glove Watch, Flashlight Watch and now Jumpsuit Watch! Whatever it takes
I don't believe for a second we are done with Zoe's family and the 11th floor. I'm still remembering the plots to some of the Hardy boys books (whose titles were purposely shown and from where the whale tattoos come) that are way too closely related to have just left the plot completely. I still think there is massive crime in the Arconia from multiple sources serving one boss. Replicate, remove, replace.
Would love to see more from Zoe's family
Great video as always double p!! The cake theory is fantastic!
The DNA tests results thing is moving way too slow because I believe they want to make Teddy as our next victim so that when a confrontation happens in the next episode the timing will be perfect for the next kill.
Also, since we assume the person that broke into Charles appartment is responsible for the blackout, it means that Lucy was the target,meaning that the person that tried to kill her was following her for a while and waited when she was all alone in the appartment. Therefore it can't be Marv,Ivan,Lester,Nina or Howard. ( most likely Detective K) I believe you are right when you say none of our suspects were cleared.
Also I completely disagree about Kreps' investigation on the Dimases. Multiple people who met him, including Cinda Canning Detective Williams and even himself, have declared that he has a questionnable reputation, is not that good at his job and that this case is his opportunity to shine. If Kreps was leading an investigation on the Dimases, the success of his operation would have been noticed.
I believe in the contrary that he is a dirty cop who is trying to help the Dimases from the inside and maybe he was in Bunny's appartment that night in order to recover the painting or something that belongs to Teddy. Or maybe to kill Mabel as you said.
And finally, I believe that Marv can't be Lucy's new dad since they met in this episode, he spoke about his daughter in front of her and she had no reaction whatsoever.
Kreepy Kreps working with the Dirty Dimas! Wonderful!
I think Krep is the GLITTER GUY but NOT the Killer. He just wanted the Proof that Trio had so that he can solve the case and gain all the appreciation!
I also think Krep is the Lucy new father and he wants to protect Lucy.
I still think THEO could be the Killer because when he got to know Mabel is suspecting someone else to be the Killer he helped and drove her all the way to Coney Island because he wanted Mable to caught the Glitter Guy! So that everyone will think that the Killer is glitter guy and he will be saved. Theo also has reasons to kill Mable because of what happened to him in the past.
Theo was at Mabel's apartment to kill Mabel but Bunny went there for some other reason and killed by mistake!
I think there were 3 people - 1 who stole the painting, 2 Lucy saw at the passage (on Charles floor), 3 The Killer (Who was at Mabel's floor)
Jonathan can't be the Killer Because of his sneez type, his sneez was very short and quite, when Oliver asked Lucy about killer's sneez she said 'the 2nd one' the Louder one!
I suspect THEO and NINA'S HUSBAND!
Nina's husband killed Bunny so that she will out of the way of their construction plan and he knew that the Trio will solve this case too as the earlier one so he planned the murder in such a way that the TRIO themselves become the suspect and that's why he brought Bunny to Mabel's apartment then killed her and start framing Charles and Oliver too later, and since his wife is the new chairman he knows about the building passages as well and the painting and other things were just to frame the Trio.
Also so much importance is given to SON OF SAM game which is eliminate all those who can't be the Killer and the one left is the Killer.
At the time of BLACKOUT we have seen everyone that could be suspected EXCEPT Nina's husband, she was alone in her apartment.
Also she lives at 14th Floor!! And bunny said 14 when she died
Thanks,
Charu Pradhan
The show created a website where you can vote from a list of suspects who you think the murderer is, but Nina's husband isn't included, which indicates that he's not the killer.
Hi, thanks for mentioning ❤️
I saw in today's credit that the NYPD car with serial number 3814 standing outside Arconia. Is it what Bunny mentioned? I believe it's Det. Krep's car.
Was she asking Mabel to inform Krep that the killer is Savage's(Lucy) or the opposite?
If the glitter guy is krep's(also working in Coney) and does Ursula have a relationship with him? Is she helping him solve the case?
I strongly feel Alice is Marv's daughter. Alice is definitely one of those black jumpsuit people.
Also I am doubting on Jonathan(kind of sly)
Hugely disappointed that the story has not moved in regard to the DNA result of Oliver and knife evidence handed over to Det. Williams.
Can't wait for the next episode!
Marv did say that he was not invited to his daughter's wedding, so if Alice is his daughter then she is married. I guess she could be unmarried or unfaithful and so become involved with Mable but that does seem really harsh on Mable.
I know everyone thinks Kreps is GG, but I’ve been thinking that a recent new person is GG- Jimmy Russo. Cinda asks if he’d like to help, an easy errand to get the evidence. So he goes, and is surprised by the bomb, and heads to the subway to go to work- he used to work at Long John Silvers, so a chicken place is his wheelhouse, before his job at Coney Island. If Kreps was GG, why would he be going anywhere on the subway? He’d have no idea Mabel would be there- even Mabel didn’t know, she was just walking. Thoughts? Oh I also like Marc as the 6th ave Slasher!
Jimmy Russo loves giving tips: He gave Cinda Canning's podcast a tip. He gave Long John Silver's a tip.
#BadTasteJokes :)
Not gonna lie I've been watching every one of these and didn't realise it wasnt like a 100k viewer thing every episode 😅 the quality is definetly higher than the viewer count shows
From your typing to TH-cam's algorithm :)
I agree. I think the best TH-cam OMITB theories are here and I felt the same surprise about the viewership.
I think Glitter guy choked Kreps and hurt his arm in some kind of confrontation. I don't want to believe his shoulder/arm hurts from Mabel stabbing him.
Absolutely! Transfer of glitter!
Or glitter guy is the tattoo artist?
@@rooneyx that too! Hadn’t thought of that.
Nice observation by Dahlia about the picture and the card being folded in the same way. I think that *has* to be a clue!
Yay! Thanks for the mention this week! I really think the 911 call is important. There had to be some type of 911 call for the swat team to show up like that! And if it was Lucy that called, why wouldn’t she come forward and say that? What is she hiding? As I also mentioned before, I really think Bunny was working for either Cinda or Detective Kreps at one point. She had knowledge of the Arcadacombs. She was either hired and paid to spy on the Dimas’s for their jewelry scam OR was hired to spy on the trio and give Cinda info about the podcast since they became competition. I think at some point Bunny felt bad and stopped working for them. Might explain why she had all that extra cash she gave away to Ivan. And also explain why she was eventually murdered. So excited to finally see this unfold! Love being part of this OMITB community! (P.S. I left you a 5 star review on your podcast through Apple) 🙂
Review on Apple podcasts!!! #Hero
I always have trouble with motive: Let's follow this train of thought: spying for Det. Kreps/Cinda, perhaps Bunny would've revealed the big secret she learned as her last gesture before she left for Boca Raton, so she was killed.
The intro reminds me of a part of A Series Of Unfortunate Events
There’s a theme that keeps coming up that a parent would do anything for their child. I think that this is at the center of solving the mystery.
Yep. I wonder if a child would do anything for their parent?
@@DoublePMedia Daddy's Little Helper
The more I read others’ ideas the more options I realize I haven’t considered. Uff! Makes my head spin.
Someone mentioned that the Detective guy (forgot his name) could be Bunny’s brother …..
He likes that Greek restaurant and we know Bunny met someone there and she said he wasn’t her friend (could’ve been a brother). I don’t think Detective Glitter Guy is Bunny’s murderer, but perhaps, as a brother, he wanted that painting. So he could’ve been the one who was hounding Bunny for it. When Bunny died the painting went missing. It could be Det Glitter Guy was at the building the night Bunny was murdered crawling through the back walls thinking he was going to steal it, but saw Bunny being killed or already dead. When he saw this he sent that text message to the gang to get out of the building (I don’t know why he would do that). Now he’s trying to solve the murder to find the painting. He plans to get the painting first before letting the police know he solved it.
Is it possible that the murderer meant to murder Mabel? Bunny was in Mabel’s apartment and wearing that sweatshirt with the hood pulled up so if the murderer was waiting in the dark apartment, s/he could’ve killed the wrong person. Murderer made an oopsie so decided to try and frame Mabel instead.
Marv’s daughter could be Poppy or even Cynda. He is trying to win her favor so is sneaking around the Arconia to spy and give his daughter insights to use for their podcast. I don’t think he’s the killer.
Maybe the killer is Lucy. She could be jealous of Mabel’s relationship with her father figure (Charles) so went to murder Mabel and then murdered the wrong person. Lucy was in the hidden passage ways hiding from that other person not because she was afraid of being hurt, but afraid of being discovered.
My 2 bits, but there’s still a lot unresolved.
I’m going to put my hat in the ring as my official guess….. at least until next week’s episode.
Heck yeah! Keep that head spinning :)
I know you are right about so many possibilities, I don't think I have any idea.
I’ve tried to simply enjoy the ride and avoid theorizing this time around, but I can’t resist taking a stab at it (😉) just this once, in case they reveal the murderer in the next episode like they did last season…
The Killer: Poppy. I originally thought the sneezer was Marv doing mold removal or innocently sneaking around, but since that’s not true, I think they’re going to play with the timing like last season (Jan pulled the fire alarm and killed Tim Kono, Theo went from standing in the background one second to fighting with Zoey and accidentally pushing her the next) and the sneezer will magically be the killer. With that in mind, going by physical characteristics (since motive will likely, once again, be impossible to pin down), I think the small feet shown getting off the elevator and the deep-voiced sneeze point to Poppy, who looked larger in the passageway due to wearing layers of clothes. (Of the other female suspects, Nina and Alice have already had their own stories, and I just don’t see Uma, Ursula, Lucy, Leonora, or Sazz being a murderer - at least not this time. It could be Cinda instead, but she wore a red coat once, and I think that symbolizes “red herring” / misdirection - in addition to Nina’s red outfit, Kreps’s red glitter…and didn’t Howard wear a red sweater?)
Motive: Either Poppy has some personal connection to Bunny we’d never guess (similar to Jan and Tim…They do sort of look alike. Family, maybe?) and she made lemonade out of lemons by thinking quickly enough to frame the trio once she killed Bunny, or she snooped around to find the most opportune target (the most hated person in the building) for the express purpose of framing the trio. (Either Poppy or Cinda had been asking questions at or around the time of the superfans’ party - Ursula mentions a “podcast girl with glasses” had been there - and someone ate some cake but left their trash.) Regardless, even though she didn’t tell Cinda what she’d done, she thought it would help her in her job (eliminating her idol’s competition, planting damning evidence), but now that she knows she’ll never be appreciated or promoted, she wants to spin her crimes and frame Cinda instead.
Glitter Guy: Though I’d love for there to be another twist here, I think Glitter Guy is merely Kreps, who isn’t very bright, and is using unorthodox tactics befitting his poor reputation to try to solve the case first, on his own. Perhaps Detective Williams texted the trio to get out of the building, but Kreps found and used the phone she used and set up the matchbook evidence drop while she was away. He acted so fake and guilty after the blackout because he almost got caught breaking into Charles’ apartment / going into the passageway (through yet another case of magical timing - though I don’t think he was “chasing” Lucy with intent to harm her, just clumsily checking out the passage) and because he absolutely knew who Lucy was, since he took her picture. (Either he approached her after the blackout or she went to him assuming a cop could help - more magical timing.) He works security at Coney Island to make extra money due to a low-level position on the force, which is why he’s desperate to be the one who solves this case.
The Painting: I think the painting is its own story involving only Shirley MacLaine (who is more likely Rose Cooper, not Leonora Folger) and Bunny. Perhaps the real Leonora helped Rose fake her death and frame Charles Sr.? Shirley MacLaine is the card sender and phone caller, but probably not the diner visitor (who I guess was Poppy - who may have lit the candle on the cake later with a match from the matchbook). Either Alice has nothing to do with anything outside of her creepy recreation project, Bunny hired her to forge the painting for some reason, or she forged the painting and stole the original - but doesn’t realize its connection to the case.
The DNA Drama: I think it’s a setup for next season. Will is Teddy’s son, Oliver will freak and threaten Teddy, Teddy will be killed, Oliver will be the main suspect, and he and his family will be the focus next season (including plenty of juicy flashbacks so that Nathan Lane will not only still be part of the show, but he and James Caverly will get even more time to shine). Theo will join forces with the trio to help solve his father’s murder and will be “adopted” into the group so that he will still have a family.
Howard’s Black Eye and Other Loose Ends: I don’t believe we will ever get the true answer to this as his eye has healed and doesn’t seem important anymore, nor do I think we will get more info on anything else that has been left unclear, including who poisoned Winnie. (I think Amy bringing it up and Oliver’s reaction were the writers’ way of saying, “Oops. We never explained this part. Our bad.”) This ever-growing pile of loose ends both disappoints and frustrates me. However, maybe if Teddy is the next victim, his criminal dealings will come back into play (including the Angel scheme), which could present the opportunity to provide more clarification and even tie up some things. (I love the idea I’ve heard / read that Jan was working for Teddy. I want that to be true!)
I think there is going to be a twist with Kreps. I would consider Marv an expert on the 6th Ave Slasher since he has been following his cases for years, and the way Marv looked at Kreps was one of fear and recognition, that Kreps was the slasher!
As for Alice, I think more will be revealed in the next 2 episodes.
@@jt279 You know, I thought that look meant Marv noticed the glitter (and knew about Glitter Guy from the podcast) - but I love this idea! 😃
I follow all these videos and love the discussions! Thanks for your hard work putting these out!
Keep watching! And laughing at my incorrect theories :)
Love this show and y’all’s breakdown!
Thank you! Don't tell my boss that I spend every Tuesday editing this breakdown!
I don’t think Theo could have broken into the apartment because that person was scared off by a noise when Lucy was hiding, and Theo wouldn’t have heard that.
It wasn't just noise, there was light as well, which Lucy thought was from Marv's flashlight.
@@jt279 good point!
Theo can sense rumbles and vibrations from noise and we don't know why his dad called him right before the blackout. I'm hoping it's not Theo but anything is possible.
Kreps is obviously only trying to get evidence in order to take credit for solving the case. In episode 6 he said "this was supposed to be a career-making case for me." Also it felt to early to reveal who the murderer is so it definitely isn't him. Also a lot of characters this season have appeared then not been heard from again (Leonora, Amy Schumer, Alice, Poppy, Cinda Canning). I don't know why but it is interesting.
Correct. Which character have you missed the most?
@@DoublePMedia I would say Uma because it is entertaining to have someone like bunny interacting with other characters
What if... Bunny's mom is Rose Cooper?
Obviously it seems that Detective Kreps is Glitter Guy, but i don’t think he’s the killer. In fact glitter guy was always wearing black clothes whereas the killer (the one who breaks into Charles’ and the one who we’ve seen in every other episode) is wearing a grey suit. I think Kreps is trying to solve the murder “his way”, framing the most obvious suspects (the big three) and walking away as a winner, being this his first big case after working at Coney Island
Kreps - what a jerk!
I think the painting is under the birdcage ....I think bunny didn't care for the painting and literally let the bird shit all over it....also she left the bird to Oliver because bunny knew he was broke n the birdcage was on too of the painting ...she was generous with Ivan also ...
I loved your rant and I'm not sure if was my Reddit post you were talking about but I've pretty much come to the same conclusion as you. Basically long story short I saw Mo's (screener viewing critic) tweet saying one person on the OMITB sub had gotten both the motive and the killer right. This was right before bed. Woke up next day still thinking about it, screenshotted the tweet and posted it on the sub. We quickly worked out this critic had also made a post on Reddit himself saying people on the OMITB sub has gotten the murderer but not the motive. That was 3 days prior. So someone had gotten both right sometime in the 3 days prior to that tweet. We used my post to post our fav theories as a roundup post of sorts. All of the top upvoted theories in that post seemed plausible so while my post was very entertaining for me and others, and I got to think about things others had spotted that I hadn't, you're right, I didn't feel like we had gotten much closer to figuring it out. Mo found the post and commented for a bit without spoiling things before getting concerned that my post would go viral and he askedme to delete the post so I did. There were some really creative theories there though which got me concerned. Will the writers giving so few clues out make people disappointed in the reveal because the elaborate theories viewers are coming up with are more interesting than the current pacing of the show?
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I think you're going where I am. I've seen several shows where the viewers come up with more intelligent and creative solutions to murder-mysteries than the original writers. It's a fine line, but I do think season 1 of THE AFTERPARTY did a cleaner murder-mystery than season 1 of OMITB. Fingers crossed OMITB will pull it together
Ever since Detective Kreps asked the trio to join him at Bunny's apartment something has been nagging me. It's the giant bag that Poppy White is carrying when they leave.
I know the Rose Cooper painting is missing at this point but... Could Cinda Canning or Poppy White or both have been the ones to have stolen it?
Maybe they removed it from it's frame, stashed it someplace for safe keeping the day Bunny died and then the day Detective Kreps asked everyone to come to Bunny's apartment they arrived early, got the painting, rolled it up and placed it in the very long boom mic bag that Poppy is carrying.
Honestly, I really don't see any other reason for Poppy to be carrying such a large bag.
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Would a 'Poppy' be the granddaughter of a 'Rose'?
The whole thing is weird. That giant bag should have equipment but why bring it and not have it out? Why call a meet in Bunny's apartment? I also think detective kreps was either removing or placing something when he went to the bathroom.
@@jaynedo7368 So only Lenore, Rose Cooper, and maybe Bunny and the Killer know the painting is fake.
Yes agreed that scene was totally weird. How did kreps know to send a cop to brazzos set? Why were poppy and Cinda already there? Closed captioning showed they were talking about lighting and sound right before the trio walked in. The Cinda drops the chestnut of kreps not having a sterling reputation. Begrudging cooperation with threat of blackmail by Cinda to kreps?
Wasn't it Mabel's apartment??
Detective Krepes is not the glitter guy. They are trying to throw us off. Go back and look at the picture of the person getting glittered. That is not Michael Rapaport's body. That's a person who is smaller. That suspect looks like a girl or someone with a small build. Michael Rapaport does not have a small build. They put baggy clothes so you can't tell. I believe it can be 2 different people. Oscar or Alice. But I think the main glitter guy suspect is Oscar. I think it's Oscar bc he left 9 voicemails on Mabel's phone in episode 7 and trying to warn Mabel(have to pause TV to see who messages were from) Oliver is the only one that could have Charles's number from season 1. Also, Oliver lived in the building and dad is maintenance guy and could know where the secret passageways are and spied on people. Who else would go to Coney Island as a security guard. It wouldn't be Alice. And the hands shown in Coney Island are guys hands. He got out of prison and needs a job. Security would be a job that Oscar would get out of prison. Maybe he dropped the matchbook in Mabel's apt because it was in the air vent by the bed. He hangs out with Mabel all the time. Oscar could have dropped that matchbook and it wasn't blood but ketchup on it. He wanted the evidence because he didn't want to go back to jail and didn't want to tell Mabel why he was hanging out with Bunny. Oscar was right outside the building when Bunny got murdered as well. I do not think Oscar had anything to do with the murder.
I don't think think the person calling Bunny and the person in the diner are the same person. I think the person at the Diner was Oscar. Not sure why they were together but I think the person that was calling about the painting was Leonora, Rose Cooper or Charles's dad and possibly Alice.
Leonora theory-I think she has a bad relationship with Bunny and Leonora wants that painting back because it belongs to her but Bunny doesn't want to give it back because she hates her mom. There's also something on the back of that painting that she really cares about. That's why she immediately went to the back of it when she got there in Amy Shumer's apartment. Also may think Leonora set Charles's dad up of killing Rose Cooper. Leonora could have also had a son/daughter with Charles's dad
Rose Cooper theory- Rose Cooper can still be alive. I think Rose Cooper is trying to get her painting back. Rose Cooper could have had a son/daughter with Charles's dad. That kid is helping Rose get it back and seek revenge on Bunny and Leonora.
Charles's dad theory- I think Charles's dad is still alive. I also think he got framed for Rose Coopers death by Leonora. I think Leonora is actually Rose Cooper trying to get her painting back. Why else would there be a painting of Charles's dad naked with Rose Cooper in Leonora's/Bunny's apt.
Alice can be a grandkid of Rose Cooper and knows there is a secret behind the painting. And kills Bunny and knows about the trio and tries to set them up.
I think the glitter guy is Oscar and Killer is Alice. I'm probably way off but just by how the killer and glitter guy are smaller builds and how fast they move, they cancel out a lot of other suspects. I also think Poppy is Marv's daughter. And also think that Teddy will be killed in episode 10 and Oliver will be the one everyone suspects because he will go to Teddy's to confront him about Will being Greek.
Btw, the person who left Mabel 9 voicemails is Oliver (Putnam) not Oscar (Torres).
I had originally thought Oscar was glitter-guy too and he was trying to help Charles & Oliver escape, but when they didn't reveal Oscar as GG in ep7 (like when they revealed Oscar as tie-dye guy in S1 ep5), I figured it's likely not him. And if it is not Oscar, then the texter may have a darker ulterior motive, like creating a window of opportunity to plant the knife to frame them.
As for the murder victim that sets up season 3, my first guess was Teddy, and then I thought maybe Cinda. Then I thought if the show-runner really want to up the stakes, maybe both!
@@jt279 Oh, I could have sworn I saw Oscars name on there.
I also thought Theo. I was trying to come up with, who would want to set up Charles and Oliver. And the only person I could come up with is Theo and Teddy. But Teddy came home after the murder. And did they ever say if Theo was home yet?
@@stephenwilliams6823 I don't think it was mentioned when Teddy actually came back to the Arconia. The strongest suspects I have as to who would frame the trio are either Teddy/Theo, Cinda & her crew, or Jan, but she would have to get someone else to frame them on her behalf. I'm leaning towards Teddy, because I think Theo being on the same train as Mabel & glitter-guy is too much of a coincidence, and that he was actually there to meet glitter-guy to collect the matchbook.
The detective told them that other detective was on maternity leave, which started the glitter bomb plan. He is following them but don't think he is the killer .That might explain how he got mixed up with the glitter. Plus he is to tall. I also think the person with the knife is not the killer. He followed her into the passage way. I think they were there for the painting. Bunny's mom said it was torn and fixed. Perhaps something of value is placed in the back of it. Might explain why the person came in with a knife, might not know it is a fake. I do think that Howard's love interest is sneaking into the passage way gaining information (a spy for Nina or undercover cop theory???) He knew way to much. And the fact he "acted" like he did not know about Howard's cat. Please! Everyone in the building knows that man has a cat! One thing is for sure, one of the people running around dressed up is in excellent physical shape. My vote for the killer is Ursula....based on how she stabbed that package! Here is a way out of left field theory. How do we know that is really Charles's Lucy? Charles had not seen her in 8 years....he assumed it was her based on how she showed up. The picture on his phone from the other Lucy never showed her face, just a dress. Stolen Identity perhaps....
Love your point about Howard's cat. Everyone has to know about Evelyn and Sevelyn!
YES!!!! Completely agree that Kreps is not GG
I think she's the real Lucy because she knew the Angel in Flip Flops song.
@@jt279 Did she or did Charles start the conversation? And the original Lucy might have played with this kid in the building. All she had to do was show up grab his phone change the number and now she is the Lucy he is texting/calling. I assumed he was texting her the night of Bunny's murder because she was in the same frame...maybe not...that Lucy gave notice of showing up. This one just shows up. She could be a run away...knows a lot about the passageways, listening in on conversations. Plus in the picture that Lucy Looked like she was attending a wedding. This girl said she did not go. If they were going to show her in the next episode why not show her face? I know it sounds far out.....super fun theory!
Omg! I thought that about Lucy too at one point! Like he hadn’t seen her in so long so maybe it wasn’t her. But she seems to know way too much to be pretending.
Wax on the matchbook--- The guy grabbed the matchbook the day before the party. The only reference to a bakery that I can think of is that Oliver and Cinda go to the same cupcake store.
the cinda canning twist is insane
I'm so confused with all the different storylines! I keep going back to the tagline on the promo: The Truth Is All In How You Frame It. Has to be the painting or Alice or SOMETHING ahhhh
Ahhhh indeed! Too Twisty!
Everything is so confusing 😭
My bet is that Leonora Folger is actually Rose Cooper, who wanted her painting back. It does not mean she killed Bunny herself. It makes more sense hiring someone. It could be Detective Kreps or others.
And Lenora/Rose attacked now because her painting could've been leaving for Boca Raton... but how does Oliver's knife tie into this killing?
@@DoublePMedia this is where I think Cinda/poppy make sense. Cinda already named the podcast. She was trying to frame Ollie Mabel and Charles. So certain things were used and placed to implicate them.
I think the daughter he is talking about is Det Williams or her wife. In the episode about Det Williams from season 1 she was talking about loneliness. I wonder if Marv abandoned one of them as a child and was truing to get back Into their life. It would also explain the wedding he wasnt invited to as theyre married
WOW! Now that is a great thought!
I've considered Howard, and I can't eliminate him. The black eye makes me wonder, but the shoes aren't right. Jonathan stands out, because he has the same sneeze that Lucy heard in the passageway after the murder. If Marv or Kreps was the one that broke into Charles' apt, and chased Lucy, it could still be Jonathan. Although, Marv does potentially have the right shoes, I noted when Mabel hit him.
I've also considered Charles' father. The last we see, his father was hauled away by police. Charles believes his father died, but in the talks about illusion and the way things appear to be, it's possible that his father is still alive. Either his father is involved, or he is going to pop up next season. In the still that shows the shoes, the back of the ankle is puffed out, as if there's an ankle monitor on it. Charles did say his father had lots of run ins with the law. Perhaps he is alive and has an ankle monitor.
That's all I've got for now. My best guess so far is Jonathan, but I can't see a why or why now with him.
I’m not sure if it’s Marv. when we saw Mabel hit him, the mask was different from the masked man who broke into Charles apartment. Marv had like a gas mask while the other guy had a beanie. There’s always the chance that he switched his mask, but I’m not sure.
Not only are the masks different but the jumpsuits are different as well. Marv's has a hoodie, whereas the intruder's jumpsuit has a collar. However, their flashlights look almost identical, both with pistol-style grips and triggers.
@@jt279 Marv cleans mold from buildings, including the Arconia. I believe his estranged daughter possibly either Alice or Cinda's assistant would own such a flashlight and know their way around the tunnels.
@@joyyoung3108 ohhhhh I didn’t think about poppy! I can see that!!!!
The number 14 means the 14th floor. Bunny was trying to tell Mabel that the killer lives on the 14th floor. Nina and Jared live on the 14th floor with their new baby girl. Jared would have motive to kill Bunny because she wasn’t okay with his architectural design of the Arconia. Jared was not with Nina during the Blackout. He would have the blue prints of the Arconia. I have another theory it could be. Theo because the killer used Oliver’s knife to kill Bunny. Teddy threatened Oliver and that he would go out of his way to screw him.
I had to think on Nina living on 14 but they saw her when they entered the passageway from Charles apt. Jared's been nothing since that viewing. It would be odd if he came back to be the guy but logically you make sense. I'm not sure teddy or Theo are involved as they were both in jail at time of bunny's murder.
What about the Savage tho?Jared could definitely be a suspect and he has a motive but we still don't know how all this is related to Charles....did bunny was referring to the painting or Charles?idk
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something i always keep thinking back to is Bunny telling Ivan “take it i don’t need it anymore” or something along those lines when giving him the money. if she was moving why would she give away a large sum of money? if she was staying in ny why would she give away money? it may be nothing but i can’t get it out of my head!!
she didn't say I don't need it anymore. She said there's no one who needs it more. Bunny is wealthy. She's just lonely
That envelop of $$$ is an odd detail that sticks out
She probably said it cause she doesn't have a family so why wouldn't she help Ivan financially?
If glitter guy is Kreps, why did he tell them that the other detective was on leave?
Because I believe he wasn't the one who texted our trio. He was only instructed/hired to pickup the evidence, and deliver it to someone else. I think the mastermind is Teddy, and the person receiving the matchbook is Theo.
Has anyone else noticed the elevators at the end of episode 3? As the trio get into an elevator and head up to the roof, the elevator gauge thing (not sure what its called) goes from 14 to the roof, the focus shifts to the other elevator., where you see the elevator come from somewhere between level 6 to level 8, up to level 14. The Dimass family are on level 6. I think Teddy is behind the murder, thats why he and Theo had a massive fight, Theo didn't want to be invloved in the families crime anymore.
If Bunny could evict our trio for discovering a murderer in the building, I'm sure she would evict Teddy for grave-robbing, and this would give Teddy a motive to get rid of Bunny. I think Teddy is the one who gave the killer access to the passageways to escape, and in return, the killer gives Teddy the knife to frame Charles & Oliver. The reason why only Oliver & Charles received the text is so that it gives Teddy (or maybe Theo) the opportunity to steal the knife, then plant in Charles' apartment. When Mabel texted back saying they found the matchbook with fingerprint, Teddy sends Kreps to retrieve the matchbook, and Theo to collect it from him.
I'd like Teddy to be the killer because it could lead into a tense season 3.
@@DoublePMedia I think he's one of the killers, but I have a feeling he may also be this season 2's murder victim, and Oliver & Will would be the main suspects. What would be really wild is, if the season ends with TWO murders, Teddy & Cinda!!!
@@DoublePMedia What if Teddy and Jan are connected, and Detective Krepps is not glitter guy he is just a red herring, and glitter guy is just some 'rando' prison guard that also works at Coney Island, that is working for Teddy and Jan. This would change a fair bit from season one, Jan kills Tim Kono for Teddy, and then starts a relationship with Charles when they start getting too close.
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I can't remember which episode it was but in one of them, Lucy said to Mabel that if things had gone differently, 14 C would still be her front door. Assuming this is Charles' apt. #, this makes your Lucy theory more plausible. Bunny said the number 14 to Mabel before she died. Also, I'm late to voting but Mabel + Theo should be LEO!
Here's an interesting twist. Maybe Marv killed Bunny because he wanted the podcast to continue. He knew about the passages so he could have had access, he seems to have no trouble getting into the building, and his involvement in the podcast brought him a little closer to his estranged daughter.
That’s very possible
Theory time...
Attacker was Charles' dad. I really want there to be some resolution there to the Leonora/Rose story with the painting. He met with her at lunch at the Pickle Diner where he found out Bunny was going to move to Boca. That's the why now. Charles' dad needs the money after being in and out of jail and being "framed" for Rose Cooper's death. Oh the irony.
Killer was Cinda or Poppy. They were drumming up something for their podcast. I'm in the camp of Cinda being the one as she's more cold blooded. After Charles' dad made off with the painting Bunny went to Mabel's for help, knowing they were around. Mabel wasn't home, she still had her hoodie on and up. Cinda was snooping around for evidence or info for the podcast and became opportunistic. I can't totally square away the matchbook in Mabel's vent area. Everyone went to the Pickle Diner.
Kreps was glitter guy. Shoulder and glitter on ear are too obvious not to be. Tattoo my butt. There's a common police mobile inbox that he AND Det. Williams have access to which is why there's confusion about who sent the texts.
Kreps is Lucy's bio dad, fair skin, right age, she went to him pretty quickly in the lobby. His half arsed act of Lucy being her name was fake. Kreps knew to send a cop to the Brazzos set to get the trio to Bunny's apt. And Lucy was with the trio. Lucy was in Charles' apt this episode. Kreps is keeping an eye on his kid and the trio. Lucy showed up in the Arconia with a black eye. I suspect thats' from step dad #5, hence why she fled to Charles. She shared as much with Kreps who's also looking out for her and using her for some career advancing insight. Lucy's separating the two dads to help them both without further complicating matters.
I think there are a ton of people milling about the passageways. I'm curious as to what they do with them at the end of this season. Keep them open or fill them in?
Somehow I can accept a teenage killer in Lucy, but a 90 year old killer in Charles' dad -- I can't see it.
@@DoublePMedia but that's just it. Charles dad didn't kill anyone. He attacked bunny, she was shook and went to Mabel's.
The cake theory is interesting, but to leave a print, the wax would need to be on the matchbook first, then the finger imprinted on it. However, the fact that the perpetrators all seemed to be wearing gloves suggests the print was made prior to Bunny's murder. I think it was imprinted while the person was picking up the matchbook at the diner, and it is ketchup not wax. In the video from ep5, you can see that the person from the diner was not wearing gloves.
Not even sure if this is a possibility, but it seems like every time they show the killer carrying the knife, it's in the left hand. Wouldn’t someone who is about to kill somebody carry the knife in the hand that they’re going to strike with? Could it be a possibility that the killer is left-handed? Should we be looking for someone who’s left-handed?
The person escaping from Mabel's apartment through the floor vent in her closet was holding the knife in the right hand, but the intruder that entered the passageways via Charles' bathroom was holding the knife in his left. But, when he broke in, and subsequently dropped the molding pry bar, it was on his right side, suggesting he might also be right handed.
Questions by character..the killer is in here somewhere.
Mabel - did she repress more than is disclosed?
Charles - is his dad still alive? Why would the ep8 intruder go through his front door and not the passageways? was he the target or Lucy? why did the painting AND the knife end up at his apt? why frame or mess with him vs. Mabel or Ollver?
Oliver - is Will his kid or Teddy's?
Lucy - what's Kreps to her? what else does she know that's going on in the Arconia? why'd she have a black eye early on? who else are her step dads?
Marv - who's his estranged daughter? is his 6th St. slasher theory legit? to what extent would he go to be "involved"?
Kreps - is he just glitter guy or is he also passageway guy? how did he know to send a cop to the set to get the trio to Bunny's? is he Bunny's killer too? how'd he text the trio to set up the matchbook drop? what did he do to deserve his checkered past as Cinda eludes to?
Uma - where's she been? does she have any motive?
Ursula - what else would she do for money?
Howard - did he know about the painting prior to Uma's tour? does he know about passageways (can be said about all characters)? how did he get his black eye? would he help create "hot goss"?
Alice - is she just on the come up and using Mabel's fame to help her art career? did she make the fake painting? is she related to anyone on the show?
Leonora - is she Rose? if so, how'd she make Rose "disappear"? where's the real painting? what else does she know about Charles or his dad?
Det. Williams - she seems to be the only one who thinks the trio isn't involved. how's her number get confused with Kreps?
Jonathan - is he just a redherring or does his sneeze mean something?
Nina - did her big Arconia plans require bigger moves to execute?
Jared - where the hell is he? another red herring?
Jan - is she pulling the strings for anyone or just a voyeur?
Bunny - who visited her at the pickle diner and why? was she attacked first in her apt then stabbed in Mabels? how'd she get to Mabels? who wanted her painting? where is the original? is the painting tied to her murder? did she really say "14" and "Savage"? if so, why?
Lester - is he as nice as he seems? what would he do to protect his job?
Teddy - was he out of jail in time to kill Bunny? would he frame Oliver for murder? would he have known about painting?
Theo - was he out of jail in time to kill Bunny? would he have helped his dad steal the painting previously?
Amy - would she have method acted Jan to an extreme extent? is she just kooky or malicious?
Cinda - what other "bodies" have been sacrificed for her career as Poppy indicated? how was she already at the Arconia during ep1 perp walk? how were she and poppy already in bunny's apt in ep6 with Kreps before our trio talking about sound and lights seemingly with him?
Poppy - is she just a shill? how blindly will she follow Cinda's lead? would Poppy act on her own to try to advance her career?
Oscar/Oscar's dad - out of sight, out of mind. is their absence intentional or not?
Sazz - just comic relief? or jealous of Charles' renewed success? any other tie ins?
Will - just Oliver's kid or is he more involved? does he know about passageways from his childhood?
Ivan - simple young beneficiary of Bunny or something more?
Can you remind me about Lucy’s black eye? I don’t remember that.
I can answer one of your questions. You asked how Detective William’s phone # and Det Kreb’s # got mixed up. Back when Oliver and Charles got the text that they needed to run out of the building (because Bunny was murdered and police were coming) those 2 assumed that it was Det Williams who sent them this text. Even though Williams said she hadn’t sent it, they didn’t believe her. When they sent a message to that # the person never corrected their assumption …. Turning out to be Krebs they were talking with.
@@gretelh3144 go back to the first episode where she showed up. I thought i saw this and went back specifically to confirm. When she's near the elevator and has the near miss with Mabel and Charles, you can see it. The show never dwelled on it so honestly I don't know if it was unintentional or subtle. Maybe much ado about nothing.
@@gretelh3144 Yes agreed. Can you think of any other interactions the trio may have had just with Det. Williams via mobile in Season 1? I might have presumed they texted with her discretely.
I think the clue this week is Lester phone call to Nina which lives on floor 14 and has access to Charles apartment through the passage way I think the build meets her partner rather than Nina herself
Maybe Lucy is not really Lucy, but an imposter. None of the characters has talked directly to Lucy's mother. This girl could be making this and more all up. We only know she was being chased by what she has said. She also hid that fact from Charles. Hmmmm.. Also she 'found' the murder weapon. Maybe she had to, because she had her fingerprints all over it? I need to think this through more, but there might be something to this. The question is why. That answer might be resolved once we know who she is.
Cant be an Imposte cause Charles recognizes her
What was one of the first things he said to Lucy when he saw her. Lucy with a question mark. He had not seen or had communication with Lucy in years. He wanted it to be Lucy, therefore it is Lucy.
I thought about a possible motive for this person that I consider to be an imposter instead of Lucy. Maybe she wants to create her own podcast about the trio. She definitely has a verbal skills, and the interest in podcast.
Not sure why Uma has been so ignored as a suspect, she has so much possible/probable connection to the story.
She had a special highlight early in the season (Bunny’s Last Day) as Bunny’s good friend, more than friend, possible half-sibling (she and bunny look a lot alike, similar age, long history at the building). She pretended to come in specifically looking for the painting and knew about it (from her past? Her mother painted it?) BUT brought Howard with her as witness that she was surprised it was gone. Someone planted a fake in Charles’ apt or swapped real and fake later, likely killer using same secret passages. She could easily have motive if Bunny planned to sell it and made Uma mad. Maybe Uma and Bunny are half siblings and Uma has always been jealous of Bunny’s favored childhood, believes she should have inherited Savage 14 (the fourteenth work Art, implying many more before this?). Would make sense Bunny would highlight this to Mabel as she’s dying because it’s wrapped up in the motive. Lastly, she would likely know about the secret passage ways if she grew up in the Arconium like Bunny did, a key piece of knowledge for the killer to have.
I don't think Uma killed bunny cause first it doesn't fit the body type of the killer and she was best friends with Bunny she even had a key to her house so she could just go and take the painting whenever she wanted so why would she kill bunny over a painting??And why now??U said that Bunny planned to sell it but as we know she didn't want to talk to that other person about the painting she didn't have that intention.Howard on the other hand is suspicious to me Uma went to take the painting cause of course she would know it costs much and has a big worth and maybe it was in Bunny's will for Uma to take it as she wouldn't give it to a stranger.Howard as i said acted surprised also i don't believe nina gave him the black eye and he said that he knew jan was the murderer... Howard knows much maybe he is a witness and protecting someone or he is actually involved
I thought Mabel would be more determined this time. I was a little disappointed to see that she was left standing without accusing Krps of stealing her bag.
What about Lucy? The most we know about the “killer” is what Lucy “saw” him, which by the way she always refers to them as they, in the passageway. What if these are not real memories and she’s just saying that she saw the killer that night but what if she was the killer and she was in there because she was trying to escape. I’ve also seen the theory that Maybe Marv is her new stepdad, what if he’s trying to make her like him and she gives him this mission to kill Mabel (cause she’s jealous of how much time she spends with Charles) but he accidentally kills bunny instead because she’s in Mabel’s apartment. He then goes into the passageway where he meets Lucy and they both escape from there.
Idk this show is so addicting and idek what to think anymore. I feel like I can’t figure it out there’s so much leading in different directions which I love.
How can Lucy be the killer??She has different body type and we literally saw the killer with the knife breaking into Charles apartment and that's not a story Lucy imagined or her memories...it actually happened
@@cookiesandmilk686 I’m not saying she imagined it, I’m saying she made it up.
Still think there's a chance that Lucy saw the person trying to steal the Rose Cooper painting, and not Bunny's killer
In the opening credits there is always a cop car outside the arconia. The clue was the one room who still had lights on. I don't know who she is though.
I think the person that broke into the apartment didn’t know about the secret passage. They just followed it looking for Savage.
So the killer doesn't know about the passages??Then who did Lucy saw that night??
Also bunny recognizes the person when she opened the door but the killer was covering his(her)face
I believe so... but I could also see cranky Bunny giving the same response to a masked person
Marv definitely didn’t do it they wouldn’t do a whole episode on him this close to the end just for it to end up being him.
makese sense
Did it with jan they make you feel like that person couldn’t of killed anyone blinding you from the truth
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Glitter can get everywhere, I once send a friend a letter filled with glitter, his mom carried it through the house to his room and since there was a slight opening in the envelope she spread glitter through the house. Maybe Kreps grapled with glitter guy and then rubbed his neck transferring glitter onto his exposed flesh, he might have even caught glitter guy, but would not be telling his other suspects?
What do you all make of the fact that the masked person breaking into Charles' apartment is holding a knife as they enter the secret passage. However, as the masked person is climbing down the ladder to the 12th floor (???), there is no longer a knife? Was it another plant, or was it another person. Also, if the masked person in Kreps, would he be holding the flashlight in his left had, the side where Mabel stabbed him??? Just wanted to hear what you all think. Love the videos!!!
Once the masked person goes down the ladder, and to the hallway, they do act like they hear someone else. So difficult to tell.
oh my god i ve been waiting for this !!!!!!!
I hope it lives up to your expectations. Lots of clues being thrown against the wall, lets see what sticks
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I think the show jumpes all over in time... Charles falls down a sewer and ends up in the interrogation room... Kinda like a worm hole or Marrio brothers tube 🤣 . Mabel's memories are all over the place. Lucy been in town since moms wedding, Mabel wearing a ring on the roof but not before she goes up of after? All weird timing and memory related things. Also first season starts with Mabel funding bunny the goes back to Tim's murder which they state happened earlier. I really have no clue who did this ... had my suspicions but i like the surprise. Oh i forgot... The painting wasn't it weird that in season one the painting on Charles wall was a woman without a face... When Jan sat down in front of it a light bulb went off in my head. What if this painting has the identity of the killer in it or hidden in it? Too obvious maybe?
Wonderful to hear people who love the show - OMIT-B for life!
Here are my theories: I think Marv is the 6th Ave Slasher. He wants so badly to be a part of the podcast, and that the only way he could be an involved was through being a murderer. I believe he is Alice's Father. Marv said he was estranged from his daughter. He also knows how to navigate through the secret tunnels of the Arconia. What if when Alice was younger she went with Marv on the job to clear out mold. So she would know the ends and outs of the tunnels. This is how she entered Mabel's apartment without a key to recreate Bunny's death. Alice could have painted a fake Rose Cooper painting swaped it for the real one, and hid it at the art gallery. Alice could have did the painting swap on the night that Bunny died. I think there were two people in masks and boots that night, one of them was Alice and the other the killer.
Alice spent the night at Mabel's place after the Son of Sam game. Did she plant something or take something???
@@DoublePMedia While Mabel was sleeping Alice could have planted the knife/murder weapon in Oliver's place.
Kreps is glitter guy, when Howards boyfriend bumped into him he was in pain for an alleged 'Tattoo' but that is where Mabel stabbed Glitter Guy. I think Howards BF is the guy in the tunnel in the first couple episodes. Marv could be the person in the room.
Listening to your videos is as much fun as actually watching OMITB. Last week I wrote noting “glitter guy” is definitely a dude. This week we note the masked man chasing Lucy through the bowels of the Arconia is definitely left-handed. Is Michael Rapaport left-handed? There has to be more than one bad guy this season. Also, a couple of the viewer comments/theories are absolute genius; e.g., How exactly did Alice know how Bunny was dressed on the night of her murder? The cake theory. That’s genius. And where the hell is Detective Williams? She returns early from maternity leave to confiscate a vital piece of evidence and no one has heard from her since? I live in a high rise. We don’t have a doorman but we do have a staffed front desk and I just gotta say the security at the Arconia is crap. I mean, that place is like a high-end bus station. Strangers coming and going at all hours. Lastly, based upon the date of construction, I am betting the Arconia is largely built of wood. Has no one ever lived in a one-hundred-year-old wooden building? Every step is likely to produce audible creaking. The very idea you could slink through corridors hidden behind plaster walls undetected is ludicrous.
FIRE LESTER! :)
They were building steel and concrete building at that time. Getting 14 stories out of wood is difficult and would have burned down by now. The main structure would be incombustible steel, masonry, and concrete, the interior walls would either be hollow clay tiles or wood framing with plaster. But Lester did receive a complaint that there were noises in the building in the episode season 1 where Theo stole the key from the front desk. The hidden passages were also used as part of the heating system so maintenance people must have know about them.
@@kimwaltz6114 Good to know. Thanks!
Thanks for the great video and all the hard work! As for the best season, it’s hard for me to form an opinion since I binged all of S1 in one night (and then I watched it again with a friend the next night haha), and I’m watching this season episode by episode. So idk, I will say that I feel S1 had more “thrills” / mouth drops when it came to the reveals
Which have you enjoyed more? The binge or the week-to-week?
@@DoublePMedia the binge 100% 😂 I legit started S1 at like 9pm Friday night in my college dorm and then finished it Saturday morning at like 4/5am … then Saturday night I watched it all over again with a girl at again 9pm and we finished it at 4/5am and it was crazy watching it with someone else! She spent the night bc she didn’t want to walk back to her dorm haha …. The binge is always more fun for me. How about you?
Last season, they only found the killer after doing something very basic in the investigation: ask the neighbor. I wonder if there's something fundamental they missed this season that would point to the answer.
I keep thinking they should just ask the Pickle Diner server who served Bunny and her "friend" the day before Bunny saw Ivan. Clearly the server from the day before would be able to describe the person Bunny was with. Why would they try to rely on security footage when they could just ask that other server who he saw with Bunny?? I feel like the show conveniently ignored this avenue but am happy to be proven wrong!
Some theories & thoughts. Sorry for the long post!
Here's who I think DIDN'T kill Bunny, and reasons:
1. Cinda: If Cinda had planned Bunny’s murder, it would occur outside the building, like in an alley way; having it inside the building would just generate more content for her competition. Cinda is too calculating to make that kind of mistake.
2. Lucy: If Lucy was the killer, she would have disposed of the knife by throwing it away, or by hiding it somewhere in the passageways. If she wanted to frame Charles & Oliver, she wouldn’t have pulled out the knife. Instead, she would have left an anonymous tip for the police to search Charles’ apartment. Showing them the knife gives them the opportunity to dispose of it, or have it analyzed.
Bunny stabbed 9 times, 8 with knife, once with knitting needle:
- To me, this wasn't a crime where the motivation is self-gain. Assuming the killer isn't psychotic & just killing for fun, I think the motive is revenge, with lots of hatred & anger. I think the killer is a grandchild of Rose Cooper; 3 stabs for each generation ruined by the actions of Leonora Folger!
Theory involving Leonora, Rose, Charles' dad (CD) and the painting:
- Leonora was in a 3-way relationship with Rose & CD, and came up with a scheme to raise the value of the painting by faking Rose's death. She conned Rose into selling her the painting with promises to give her back the proceeds when the painting goes up in value. Since Rose's body was never recovered, CD, who was in love with Rose, had to confess to the murder to convince the courts the death was real. Lenora then smuggled Rose to England to hide, and when the value of her painting sky-rocketed due to her mysterious death, Leonora betrayed Rose and left her stranded in England, because she wanted CD & the painting to herself. Leonara was supposed to bail out CD after a short period of time in prison, but upon learning of Leonora's deceit he rejects her and cuts off all ties. Rose, who was pregnant with child, then gave birth to a son.
- The reboot of Brazzos, with Charles being “Uncle Brazzos” is another clue that Charles has a niece or nephew.
I suppose any number of people could be descendants of Rose Cooper, e.g. Ivan, Howard, Kreps, Poppy, Cinda, but this is why I think it is Alice:
- Lots of "Alice in Wonderland" references by the show-runners including (in ep 3) the rabbit with magnifying glass, English Tea tin, brass key, and references to waistcoats (as in the one worn by white rabbit).
- Alice watching “Encounters at Uppsala”, a very obscure foreign film, is just too coincidental. I think she was researching Charles because he is her uncle.
- The attacker at Bunny's door seems to be about Bunny's height, based on Bunny's gaze, and arm angle of the attacker. The shadow of Bunny & the attacker also supports this, and further suggests the attacker has a slim build. Note that Poppy also fits this profile.
- Jan thinks that it is an artist that composes a scene, and Alice definitely fits that profile.
- Alice has the Son of Sam card, as does Teddy (whom I think is the one framing the trio).
- Bunny recognized her attacker so it makes sense that her last words would identify her attacker. The back of the forged painting is signed "Savage" and most would agree Alice is likely the forger, so it's possible that "Savage" is the name Bunny knows her by.
I think the killer's accomplice is Teddy, and here are my reasons:
- Bunny grew up in the Arconia and if she knew about the elevator, she likely knew about the passageways. Evidence of this is that she seems to know details of all of the residents, such as Will breaking a window when he was a child, because she has been spying on them. She may even have known about Teddy's infidelity and his criminal organization, but now that everyone else knows he is a grave-robber, she has to evict him. This gives him motive to get rid of her.
- Teddy likely knew of the secret passageways also, and may even have used it in his criminal enterprise. He offers to help the killer escape by means of the passageways, and in exchange, the killer gives Teddy the knife so that he can frame the trio.
- Teddy has Oliver's number, and likely Charles' number too (probably from Oliver), and texts them to get out of the building, giving him (and maybe Theo) the opportunity to steal Oliver's knife, and plant it in Charles' apartment. The masked person Lucy saw the night of Bunny's murder made clicking sounds with every step (like from an ankle bracelet), further suggesting it was either Teddy or Theo.
- Teddy hires Kreps to retrieve the matchbook evidence as it likely has his fingerprint on it, and sends Theo to collect it. This could also explain the slew of missed calls from Teddy on Theo''s phone the day he went to Coney Island, as Teddy was waiting for an update.
Don't say long post! Do you see how long these videos are getting :)
@@DoublePMedia But we love it! Keep up the great work!
I think the detective is actually the slayer and never got caught as he can just manipulate every investigation. Maybe he has family or friends in the building and took the opportunity with Bunny (being alone) to commit another crime. His family / friends helped him plant the false evidence. Maybe he blackmailed the Dimas family into helping him? The painting mystery is probably something unrelated to the murder and serves as a red herring.
There are a lot of good theories and I change my mind every episode. XD
I love Howard too and his new love interest but how does a Librarian afford to live in the Arconia?!
Trust fund? Do we know about his parents?
Late fees? :)
I’ve looked this up and apparently a New York City librarian can make a lot of money.
@@Sugarpeach44 wow I never knew that! It’s good because what’s better then preserving knowledge 😊
could marv be the 6th ave slasher… and therefore a red herring?
Yes! That's what I think too. I'm wondering if he killed Bunny. I'm also wondering if he's after Mabel too. Maybe he's the guy in her "dream." I don't think it's a dream but a repressed memory. Maybe he tried killing her before but she stabbed him, she doesn't remember and he's afraid one day she will and he will be exposed.
Marv and Howard are both hilarious - If they're not the killer, put them on the show every episode!
I think it’s will I don’t really have a motive beside maybe he thought by killing bunny he would be helping his “dad” somehow??
I also suspect Will and we still don't know the dna results..i think they stretched that issue for a reason.Bunny threatened to kick Oliver out and sent him many warnings so maybe Will killed her for that but still that's not a strong motive...also Will is around innocent little kids i can't believe he would be so cruel to stab someone 8 times and also being able to break into Charles apartment with a knife...i really hope it's not Will
Dude I reckon detective kreps came into Charles apartment to plant a knife as evidence maybe? Kreps is Lucy’s new dad I think that’s why she went to talk to him alone first?
Mabel described Jared as a sexy MMA fighter. I think the chicken is related to cock fighting and that’s why Nina is on another puzzle piece. I have no clue how Jared fits into anything, though. All I know is that from episode 8, there’s lots of people we can cross off the list but not Jared. We can’t account for where he was in the blackout and chase.
Oscar is still #1 on my list. He bragged about knowing the value of stuff in season 1 so he would know that the painting was valuable.
I believe that Krepps did get a tattoo. I think he got it at Tavo Moya’s tattoo shop on Shore Drive from season 1 and was in contact with glitter guy, like a bro hug or something. I think he was there specifically bc of Cutter and the jewelry stuff from season 1.
Bunny’s murder has something to do with that engagement ring and not the painting. I think the painting will be the subject of season 3. I think she said ‘engagement ring’ not savage 14.