@@DoublePMedia I think Dudenoff is Sazz's brother or twin because like you said before "Brazzos" it's the same letters as in "Sazz Bro" so it might be him in the west tower picture and he might be the killer (Idk why but maybe)😅❤
@@vicentemariani8730 I think it could be Sazz or maybe Cookie? Don't know how it would be cookie, just saying because the person appears to be blonde. It could be Sazz with a wig, Cookie (she is a blonde) and the last blonde in the show is... Loretta. (of course Jan is also blonde, but she is not that tall)
they showed all the joints found in the incinerator - but what about the bullet?! surely that'd have to be there too... (may go to the faking death theory?)
So I had to come back and leave a message because I saw your video a while back, but when you showed the movie poster for "Two For The Road" it says at the top "Make Something Wonderful Out of Being Alive" so again another possible clue that Sazz is alive. (Or red herring lol)
Thinking about how Jan said the killer would try to kill again. If Charles *was* the intended target, then my prediction is that the killer will try again- but next time, they will accidentally target Eugene Levy instead of Charles! The two will probably be dressed the same just as Sazz and Charles were.
I am just throwing this out there and I have no idea what, if anything, this means. Charles, Sazz, Eugene Levy, and Scott Bakula wear a style of hat known as a "pork pie" hat. Might not mean anything but I think it's a cute nod to all the pig and ham references.
I have been watching this show with my parents ever since it started and I finally decided to get into the community that this show has created. I can’t wait to see your recap on last night’s episode!
Thanks for the shoutout! There's a few more loose ends we still need to untangle as the episodes go forward, but I'm enthused with the killer(s) "long game" method. I'm excited to see how this ties in with Oliver's pig poisoned, the note left at Jan's door and most probably Charles' past comes to haunt him again. Also, the movie about the podcast is not a coincidence, someone definitely orchestrated this to make things complicated.
"Dudenoff" is an anagram for "founded". We know Bunny is the grand-daughter of the Arconia's architect, but do we know who the original owner is? It would make sense that the original owner might keep an apartment in the building, but not live there. That's why it hasn't been updated in decades.
Heights of the guys in the photo: Alfonso (Desmin Borges): 175cm Vince Fish (Richard Kind): 185cm Xmas All the Time (Kumail Nanjiani): 174cm Now, the PIGtail crossed face person appears to be blonde. The heights of the blondes we know: Cookie: UNKNOWN Loretta (Meryl Streep): 168cm Jan (Amy Ryan): 162cm Sazz - with wig- (Jane Lynch): 183cm The crossed face person, that appears to be a blonde woman, is taller than Xmas All the Time and she is not standing straight.
Y’know, this episode really explored what I believe this season’s theme will be: you can’t judge a book by its cover, which is a great lesson for a murder mystery. As we see, the actors realise that there is more to the trio that meets the eye, we learn about Christmas-All-the-Time guy and Eyepatch Man’s secrets and they don’t seem how Charles depicted them. So perhaps the murderer is someone we believe will be honest but turn out to be deceitful. My top suspects right now are the sauce woman or her daughter because the woman on the ham radio at the end sounded like either one of them. And I also suspect that “M. Dudenoff” is an anagram for something. - The Logical Side of Luka
@@DoublePMedia Honestly you've covered the best theories. However, one suspect that did start to rise up in the ranks for me was Scott Bakula because episode one was inspired by a Western, and we had a lot of inserts of clips from a Western movie then at the end of season 4 episode 1, we see Scott Bakula and Steve Martin's Characters facing one another in a way that felt very much like a western standoff, it felt off. Scott Bakula wearing all black made the villain of the west aesthetic feel all too real. In the latest episode, the white-haired person who'd face is scratched off made me think "No way? Is that Scott Bakula?".. it is either him or it could be Sazz. But that's my rabbit hole-style longshot guess. Thanks for the vids:)
I think the episode was called Two for the Road because our main characters paired off with their acting counterparts and went off to investigate in twos. I read the original movie was a series of vignettes of the main characters on trips together.
The countdown continues... this week there were 2 of all the main characters and the title of the episode was 'Two for the road'. If next week is 1, then week after is zero. I think we are counting down to another attempt on Charles' life.
I don't think Sazz is the scratched out person in the photo. They have long hair. The entire time we've known her, Sazz has had short hair, because she doubles for men. And the next door daughter is in the photo, looking not too much younger, so it couldn't have been too long ago. Something always overlooked - who TOOK the photo?
The person in the picture is wearing PIGtails. I notice she is a blonde, as I said before: it could be Sazz in a wig, Cookie (who is a blonde) and the last blonde on the show is Loretta. We also have Jan, but she is not that tall.
I agree, because when you look closer it almost looks like blonde hair that falls down on the chest. I thought it was part of the outfit at first, but the person is just wearing a shirt and overalls. There is something else there that doesn't look like a collar, it looks like hair.
I spotted this too. Just guessing but, fellow millennial? 😅 I think a lot of us late 80’s early 90’s kids put Helga and Pataki together. If Saz’s real name is Helga, or maybe if Helga is her sister and has the last name Pataki, that would be so wild. Saz also has a Helga Pataki-esque relationship with Charles. She belittles and condescends toward him while still being obsessed enough with him (though not romantically) to come into his life over and over again still wearing matching clothes. Into his life over and over
This makes me want to go back to season 1 and look for some minor character that seemingly doesn't matter. My insane theory I don't even buy is: what if it's a Brazzos super-fan that's been plotting this all along since the podcast started, Tons of holes here--but I feel like the writers have an arc in mind.
Season one IS the key if there is a mastermind, but he or she predates the podcast so there is no reason to think it's someone from Charles's circle. He didn't even know most of his neighbors' names.
I know that a viewer last week talked about how they thought paramount wouldn’t let a killer work on their studio in the show, but I actually think the opposite! Think about this. This show is produced by Hulu, and owned by Disney. But why would Disney advertise their competitor, Paramount? They could’ve easily made the fictional movie produced by 20th Century Studios, a studio Disney owns and Hulu has worked with! I think the reason they are including Paramount is because the killer is someone employed by Paramount within the show. Disneys very protective of their image and wouldn’t let a killer work in their studio or an adjunct studio (even fictionally)
I am not some lawyer or anything, But wouldn't that open the show and streaming platform (Hulu/Disney) to potential defamation lawsuits or some crap like that?? Wouldn't it be wiser to use a fake studio/ streaming platform's name?
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@@Conan1996 I’m not claiming Disney did it without paramounts consent, but I think paramount would say yes if Disney was like “hey we want to include your company in only murders but the stipulation is that in the show the murderer will be employed by you”
Let me tell you what's been bothering me: I fundamentally don't believe that you can burn a body in an apartment building incinerator. This has been surprisingly hard to confirm and, given the search history I have now, I'd better hope no one I know dies in a fire. Since apartment incinerators largely don't exist anymore, at least in North America, and they were pretty loosey-goosey when they did exist, there don't seem to be a lot of specs out there. In general, though, I can say that cremation takes really high temperatures and, unless the show said otherwise and I missed it (totally possible), I doubt an apartment incinerator could match them. But if it could? You'd still get something very different from the ashes they found. Cremains are still recognizable as human remains, with large bone fragments, until put through a crusher called a cremulator (not makin' these words up.) What they found in that incinerator is more like what someone who didn't do a lot of research would THINK you'd find at the bottom of an incinerator. In other words, if the show knows this and is adhering to reality in this respect, either Sazz isn't dead or those aren't Sazz's remains and someone has set up this scene. But this is a TV show, and suspension of disbelief is required. Which means I can't tell if the show means for us to accept that you can burn someone to ash and metal joints in an apartment incinerator because, in the show's reality, this is true... or whether show is taking advantage of our willingness to suspend disbelief and is going to turn around before the end and said, "Of course you can't burn someone to ash in an apartment incinerator--don't be ridiculous! Sazz has been alive the whole time!"
Last year there was a ton of expert knowledge like this about everything from the paperwork in the stage manager's office to how long it would take a sprinkling of arsenic to put down a grown man, and every single bit of it was irrelevant. The show's science and reality quotient is that of a bugs bunny cartoon.
@@la_scrittice_vita This is probably completely right, but the annoying thing about a lot of mysteries is that they'll do this--they'll play fast and loose with reality and then they'll pull out a "but you, the viewer, should have known ALL ALONG that this was IMPOSSIBLE! A body burned in an apartment block incinerator? It is to laaaaaaugh!" Absolutely infuriates me, like, what about the other twenty ridiculous things we were supposed to accept as fact? How are we supposed to know when you're shrugging off reality and when you're adhering to it? Which is why I do a ridiculous amount of research for my books even though no one but me will ever notice or care.
Hello Hello! Great stuff in this video! My girlfriend and I kinda drew a blank with this episode, we thought it was a bit busy with the actors shadowing the trio. Those director's chairs, how they were doubled up in the opening... I've got a Bizzaro thing where maybe the killer or killers are an actor & their double, like Charles & Sazz... Need to get more from the next episode, potentially a new player on the board! Back for more next week!
Love the tin foil theories this week! I feel like it was a pretty clue-light episode (mostly just “eliminating” possible suspects with not a ton of sleuthing) - but you saying that the German woman’s voice could be Helga made me stand upright, you’ve gotta be right! I also think you zooming in on the photo really makes it look like Jane Lynch with a long blonde wig on. I think it would be a little too goofy if Sazz had this whole other life across the way from Charles we never knew about though… interested to see her connection to this Helga! Also - the Griffin Dunne thing!! He’s such a great actor and it’ll be fun to see how he shows up.
I keep thinking about how much that image looks like Jane Lynch with a wig (just from her height and what you can make out from the face) - my new theory is that Jane Lynch is playing Helga who is maybe Sazz’s twin sister? I feel like twins are a popular mystery story archetype, and Helga was maybe flying in (hence her name on the plane ticket) and I guess maybe lived in the Arconia? I haven’t figured out all the details but that’s my new theory I’m running with: that a Helga is the woman scratched off in the photo (and who spoke on the radio), she’s related to Sazz in someway, and will be played by Jane Lynch.
My 80s brain loved the Perfect Strangers theme song and Oliver and Zach acting out the opening title sequence, as much as I loved the cameo from Scott Bakula. I hope there are plenty more to come. Perhaps these are clues that someone from the past or an event in the past triggered the murder.
This season is a love letter to a lot of the mystery media out there. Got big ace attorney/danganronpa vibes so far. The spoiler doesn't seem too far off what I've seen in those franchises. 😊 I love this and last season sm.
There’s still something Jan said to Charles, that makes me think she’s still guilty in a way. She said that when someone misses their target, they often try again but in a more creative way or something like that. I can’t help think of how she failed with Charles and how this would be her long winded way of trying again.
This could lead into the fact that she might be killed off at the end of the season. I would very much enjoy that they find out it was Jan who killed Saz but when they go to take her in, she has already been murdered.
The way she reacted in the moment felt like someone who fk up and tried to re asset the situation. You see it a lot in some killer/thriller movies. But it could also be red herring.
I think Sazz was the intended target based on what the woman on the ham radio said (about someone snooping around and getting killed). I also think that Sazz is the woman with the scratched out face in Vince Fish's photo, I think she and the westies know something (also I'd be disappointed if Jan was the killer again D:)
Sazz is the person in the picture!and I am start thinking about the brothers sisters..a lot of references on duality,there is also a western film called “the sister brothers” who is about 2 killers hired by someone…and the perfect strangers song as well..still a clue on it…for to mention the image of the sniper in the omintb first clip looks Like a young lady…
I wish I had a big juicy theory or clue for everyone, but the only thing on my mind is how much less sense the apparent assassination attempt makes the more we learn about it. It seems like a necessarily complex and carefully planned hit but there's just so many bizarre and sloppy elements to it if it really was a premeditated shot.
TAP INEZ would definitely be an interesting clue, although you'd think if Inez was involved somehow, she would have omitted the "Tap" part since that would obviously lead to confusion. Rudy with the backwards "E" on his body is really, really suspicious. Is there just one member of the Only Murders production crew writing all these notes for the series and that's what's to account for this consistency, or is the same culprit who wrote the season 1 letter and the notes on Sazz's desk? The only thing I will say is that Rudy most likely didn't write that on himself because it was way too perfectly legible (I know he claimed he did, but he could be lying). Could it have been Dudenoff him/herself who drew it on him? I still think Dudenoff = Sazz, although I accept that it could be another member of the Pataki family. Or even Helga herself, whoever that is. It definitely looked like a Sazz-shaped person in that photo, at any rate. And yes, I acknowledge that Vince doesn't have pinkeye and Rudy isn't wearing the Christmas sweater in that photo, so it could be from a long time ago. I think the pervading crackpot/foilhat theory is that Sazz staged her own death and is challenging Charles to "tap in" in some way. We still haven't seen any solid evidence that Sazz was in that incinerator, besides those prosthetics, which could have easily been planted there if it was designed to be a red herring by the real killer. I honestly think Sazz could be a good fit for the Moriarty of the series if this is true, and it would make an amazing reveal. Griffin Dunne being Dudenoff would be a HUGE spoiler, so I really hope that's not true (screw you, Rolling Stone!). I still think it's interesting that journalists only got the first 7 episodes, so there must be a game-changing twist in episode 8 (possibly Sazz still being alive?). I'm surprised you didn't mention anything about the whole "Perfect Strangers" throughline in this episode, because it seemed like a deliberate reference to something, but I have no idea what it might be pointing to. All right, that's all I got this week. I'm all TAPPED OUT.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention: The Abraham Lincoln picture does seem to be deliberately placed in the frame. I don't think it's a coincidence, but which actor would have it out for Charles? The only person I can think is Sazz herself. Maybe her motive is that she was tired of being his fall guy for all these years.
May be a far stretch but my brain keeps trying to connect the Perfect Strangers reference with the Hitchcock movie Strangers on a Train. Maybe people are using the hamm radio to connect in such a way? That's my tin hat theory. :) For those who aren't familiar:, two random guys start talking about their troubles while commuting on a train, and start theorizing that if they killed for the other person, there would be no way to link it back to them as they really have no other connection except this random encounter of meeting on the train. But they were just theorizing.... or were they? Either that or it's just a hamm channel for fans of Larry and Balki to talk about the show. lol
My brain made the same connection because the clue isn't the song, it's the name of the song/show: Perfect Strangers. Based on the texts from Sazz's phone after her death, the killer has to have connections on both the East & West Coast. So, Trina & Tawny Brothers speaking via ham radio to Inez's daughter, who just wants to get out of that apartment, could maybe be convinced to commit murder for the sake of stardom out West? She was told to "fix her face" too. Heavy make-up to cover rifle kick bruise?
The eye patch guy also has a Hitchcock book on his mantle! It was the only book you could see the title of, I kept thinking of strangers on a train too! He also had psycho and the shining which the west hallways really emulate the hotel from the shining I thought
I think Dudenoff sounds like ‘do not knock’ to me 🙈 Anyone think the person on the radio sounded German. Germany is famous for sausages. Or maybe it’s more Swiss, Switzerland is famous for chocolate, pigs find truffles but truffles are also a type of chocolate… Also what to pigs do…pigs squeal! Maybe the murder was to stop someone squealing…
@@DoublePMediayay! Glad you think so! I sometimes delay watching an episode (if I’m not too excited…) till after your video goes live, because right after I watch an episode I need to see what you and the other commenters think! I just love this channel. You put so much work into it, it’s amazing!! 🙌
Great recap & theory video as always! Here are my theories thus far: o Rudy is the hired assassin, who has been sending threatening notes to the trio and Jan in Season1 as the handwriting on his abs & notes match. He wanted the podcast to stop because he was afraid the trio may tie him to earlier killings he committed in the building. o Someone on the west coast wants the OMITB movie halted, and killing Charles was one way to stop it. This would answer the “why now” question. Charles was also the easiest target, as he was often seen by his window. o Ham radio may be used to place special request for things, e.g. place an order for black market ham, or a hit job, and all of the Westies are somehow involved. o Could Prof M. Dudenoff be OMIT-B’s Moriarty? Does the “M” stand for Moriarty??? o As for the significance of number 4, there may be 4 killers this season!
If Rudy is a hired assassin - getting the naughty list on his abs was great work! 4 killers: Vince Rudy, Inez and Alfonso --- or Bev, Marshall and the Brothers Sisters
@@DoublePMedia I don't think it's Bev since she has too much invested in the movie and the producer being the killer has been done last season. But Marshall & the Brothers Sisters are definitely on my suspect list. I also suspect Charles' sister, who could be the voice on the ham radio, but we haven't seen her yet.
I think that Eugene Levy has something more to do with this. He is a bit TOO much of a fan of Brazzos, as is the sauce lady from the west tower. Maybe he's a crazed fan? Maybe Charles snubbed him at some point back in the Brazzos days, somehow? All of the situations so far have been ones that Charles has had an advantage in due to his background on Brazzos, and he keeps commenting on it. Picking the locks of Saz's apartment, having to come up with a scheme to get Vince's eye patch off...stuff like that. Makes me think Charles is the true target.
I am old enough to remember Perfect Strangers, but not Two for the Road. The theme of the eppy is about bonding, esp between 2 people who are forced to work together, and we see a lot of that here. In the trailer Audrey Hepburn says ‘I hate you’ then ‘I love you’, like Zach does with Oliver. Can a ham radio be hacked or given a virus? I think the characters are using it to get inside info or commit crimes without being caught. Wonder why the face in the picture was scratched out and not cut out.My theory is that Dudenoff is a DEAD tenant, or not real, but on the lease, so that the neighbors can use the empty apartment for illegal deeds. It would explain why it does not looked lived in or modernized. I don’t think the shooter meant to kill Sazz, or ANYONE, it was probably an accident. Even Oswald wouldn’t take a shot at night in a darkened apartment! I do think that Sazz’s body was disposed of to cover up for the ballistics match being traced.
I'm wondering if Charles's driver is Saz's brother and Charles was, as usual, oblivious to this fact. The Driver could be a failed actor that is jealous of, not just, Charles's success but also Charles's relationship with his own sister. He could have even been there the night the gang went to Saz's home, himself there to check in on his sister and figure out where she is. This obviously has to imply that the shooter didn't clean up the body though.
I have a few theories about bakula, joy and maybe the wester. BUT this is my gut feeling theory, Sazz has a "twin sister?" Named Sarah, sister was jealous of Charles and or sazz? She moved in across made friends with the westies, but she messed something up where they disown her. Sarah accidentally killed sazz and gave her her proper clean up, tap in might be something they shared and she treated Charles like a brother/ his guardian.
My theory is that Sazz did it HERSELF! She is not dead, there is no body,to put a replacement metal bone in there would make Charles think immediately that she is dead. The blood on the floor is like, that other movie forgot the name, she used her own blood but hasn’t died. Why she did it? To spice the life of Charles who she thought was depressed and needed another crime to solve. Or because there is a secret club that tests detectives, something like that. Of course this little silly theory goes down the drain if those ashes have her dna :/
@@DoublePMedia I always watch the episodes paying attention but the last ones I had it on background, so I don’t know if I’ve missed anything BUT, with that said: I actually have two theories: Sazz did it herself and is alive (maybe that’s wishful thinking because I want her to be alive :) ), but somehow that didn’t turn out how she expected and she is danger now...I am pretty sure whatever the original shooter was there was some twists after and that multiple people did different things even if not knowing each other, or planing it together. Second theory: Somehow Lucy’s mother is involved. Lucy always had funky pants, and the pants of the shooter are very funky. Also the shooter has this colorful satin laces on her boots. It looks a little bit like from the circus. Also Lucy always mentioned how things were messy back at home, that she had a lot of dads, and Lucy’s mother seems impulsive and a little bit cruel if she left Charles on a cruise alone without warning, when they were a family and it was their anniversary. I missed what Charles answered about what it means “tap in”, because he said he knows what it means. Maybe it was a dancing group they had? The shooter’s clothes seems very artistic/unusual. Also Lucy’s mother knows the Arconia, etc.
@@DoublePMedia I think I solved it 😂 I was actually washing a pan and it down on me, that: Sazz isn’t dead. She was hired by the studio to shoot a scene of her own death, because they are a making a documentary about them, not a movie. But instead of just following them around, they actually make situations up! I still don’t know if, that being the case, if Sazz thinks that her “death scene” is supposed to look as it was real, her death, to Charles or she agreed thinking that it was a scene of the movie and that he would know about it. The westies are probably in it too. They are working for the studio also.
Hey Double P This episode doesn't contain too much clues yeah but it seems like it builds up to a bigger episode maybe ep 4 or 5. As for the person that had their face erased in Pink eye's picture, i think it is a woman, not only based on the clothes but also the slight orange/blonde hair that appears around her waist. Also this picture seems recent. Their daughter appears to be the same age and the pig doesn't seem to have grown a whole lot since then. My guess is that the woman in the picture is the one speaking to them in the ham radio. About howard, i wonder if maybe he was following the main trio into the west side with the dog to investigate on his own... that would explain why he found the pig
Two things...IRL, Hepburn and Finney were having an affair whilst filming. The tinsel stuff is actually common here in the UK - it's used as ribbon to wrap presents and Loretta was a professional gift-wrapper...??
Oh my gosh, now I’ve seen the photo up close; I think it’s Sazz in the picture. Obviously I don’t think she’s murdered herself. I think she was maybe living at the apartment maybe with the killer for a while, not knowing that they were a killer and then maybe tried to warn Charles before it was too late? Dudenoff is such a weird “name”. So I’m thinking it’s like Dude-n-off so maybe code for a woman instead of a dude to throw people off. Scott Bakula could be in the photo, not Sazz? Maybe he’s secretly a spy or something and Dudenoff is his alias 😂 I think the attempted murderer is either Joy or one of the producers from season 3.
I can't figure out who the intended target was. If it was Charles, then how did the shooter know they shot the wrong person and run over to the apartment in time to move the body? Also, why did the lady on the radio say the last person who was asking questions was killed? That makes it sound like Sass was the intended target. But if that's the case, how did the person across the courtyard happen to know Sass would be in Charles' apartment, alone, right at the perfect time to shoot her? And also, why did they move the body? Regardless of who the intended victim is, why did the murderer shoot from so far away if they knew they wanted to move the body? Even if there were two people, how would they know the exact time Sass would be in Charles' apartment alone, with no one in the hallway for enough time to move the body? How did they plan this? I feel like none of this makes sense. Also, my dad was a ham radio guy. Ham people have call signs that are numbers and letters. They don't use names. So why did Mabel get on the radio and say it was OMITB to Perfect Stranger or how ever she said it? Why would anyone answer that? I feel like this season is more confusing than when Poppy some how knew all the secret passage ways in the building, but Charles and Oliver didn't even though in season 1 Charles says he has blue prints of the whole building.
OMG - I was just writing a note about Poppy and the secret passageways to say in my podcast for episode 4, stopped to look at YT feedback, and you wrote the same thing! Great minds think alike :)
Abraham LIncoln's assassination was a huge conspiracy with many people involved before and after. Could Abe be pointing us to a cast of killers?? The tassel could be from a costume wig or cheerleader pom-pom. In episode 2, the Westie Mom told the daughter to "fix her face." I thought is was figurative. But now I wonder if she was covering up a black eye with makeup. I am still not sure Sazz is dead. Agree, she is the crossed out one in the picture. This season is so fun!!!!
I keep thinking about Sazz saying that she had something "sensitive" to tell Charles. That doesn't really imply dangerous does it? I'm thinking that sensitive could be something about the private lives of either of the three main characters. Sazz isn't as close to Mabel and Oliver.so perhaps she's going to Charles first. Was Loretta up to something that would hurt Oliver? Was one of Mabel's ex's stalking her? Or is there something in Charles' past that would be very embarrassing if he were to allow Paramount to own his "life-rights".. But what if Sazz misunderstood what that person was up to, and the killer was really up to was something even worse, so he/she killed Sazz to stop her from finding out the full truth. I have a suspicion that the limo driver in Hollywood knows something. Maybe it's something to do with the weekly poker games during Brazzos.
I, too, am trapped in the decoding of Dudenoff. This week, we had the addition of M as the first initial. Doesn’t help. I had previously wondered if Dudenoff in the note was Sazz misspelling duodenum and if that could be related to her doctor’s appointment. I need help. Lol.
Sazz has been out of her home in LA for a lon time ago, that was the reason why she has all that mail and packages outside, and the flowers were dried. Dudenoff is the german of friend 😬 is that a nickname? And the message in blood could be something or a distraction as in Sherlock's Study in Scarlett. And Has Sazz a twin sister? 🤔
The theory you mention of it being a completely different person who cleaned up the body I actually really like for a murder mystery. Do I think it’s what happening this season? No, BUT it would make for a good plot of a movie. Like a serial killer is getting away with these killings because a third party is getting rid of the bodies without either the killer or the cops catching onto them
The Roman empire used War Pigs (and War Mice) against Hannibal's War Elephants. They could possibily be using pigs to fight Cage The Ellephant. But on a serious note, a pig could represent greedy pig.
This is a very far stretch and definitely a tin hat theory. Tap in was something Sazz and Charles said in brazzos, who else was on brazzos ? Joy. The killer usually doesn’t have a big part in the story until the middle of the season but they are always there from the start. Joy being mentioned in episode 1 is probably nothing but seemed out of place.
Not necessarily to do with this episode but my mind keeps going back to the "life rights" the characters had to sign away to the studio. Did Sazz with her stunt work have some similar contract involving Charles and the studio needed to get that out of the way?
What if Jan was the target? What if someone knew that Jan escaped and someone was trying to save Charles from her? What if it’s an ex boyfriend who she didn’t successfully kill? Or what if they were trying to get justice for Tim Kono?
Late to the party, me, but if Sazz faked her death it could mean she and Jan are going on the lam. I am very hung up on Dudenoff being something important to the murder. Thanks for these videos, Double P. Where is our One Last Question series this time. MCC is too busy and involved in the story, but let's have Jackie Hoffman❤ host! She's a lot of fun on and off screen.
Actually totally forgot that Cookie's name was on the Murder-board. Funny how we had a certain poisonous cookie last season being directly tied to our murder victim.. Cookie could be jealous of Saz's and Jan's relationship so she killed Saz and now might even be after Jan, with Jan knowing that this is the case but trying to hide this from Charles to protect his feelings because she still loves him.
So I think there is definitely murder, right now it’s a rough theory for me to come up with, but I think Rudy did help in the murder. There is gonna be holes in this theory at the moment, but in the photo he isn’t wearing a Christmas sweater? When did he post that video and is that the same pig in the foto? And is the pig fully grown? How old is the foto? My theory Rudy was the one to carry the body, but didn’t kill Sazz. Plus he wasn’t accounted for cause he was too busy carrying the body to furnis
Ah! You’re the only reviewer I’ve watched so far who caught the nod to the classic saying about improv - it’s always “yes, and…”! When Eugene Levy starts improvising their cover story to get Vince to try the drops - with the last word he says literally being “improv” - Charles immediately responds “Yes, and…,” and continues to do so, no matter how off the rails it goes - as any good (albeit nervous) actor should! 😂 You know, a continuing theme for the show is that each season pays tribute to a different art form: Season 1 = podcasting, Season 2 = fine / visual art, Season 3 = theatre / musicals, Season 4 = acting / movies. In fact, one major thing that likely contributed to my dislike of Season 2 but enjoyment of Season 3 is that I know nothing about the art world (and as such, had no frame of reference for any inside jokes related to it), but as a former theatre kid, I caught all the love the show threw our way (and as a film buff, I’m digging this season, too). ❤ It really does add another clever level of enjoyment - and maybe I would appreciate Season 2 more if I knew something about art! 😅 All that being said, since the show has been renewed for Season 5, which art form do you think they’ll pay tribute to next? What’s left?
Jillian, as you're an improv theatre person --- I could regale you with stories of the time I was sitting on a box of surgical gloves in a freezing warehouse in Chicago, as Del Close encouraged my improv group to scream "chaka chaka chaka" until we achieved a group mind... but it would be too depressing :)
@@DoublePMedia Whoa…That’s intense. 😄 You’re a brave soul! I’ve done musicals and things like that (only on the school and community levels), but when it comes to improv, I was more the “played Whose Line game with friends yet was too nervous to actually take a class” type. But hey, anything for your art, right? And I’m sure it makes for a great story. 😊 Also, you mentioned your “possibly Southern” accent. I have a “definitely Southern” accent, so unless you were joking, that’s something else we’ve got in common! I don’t believe I mispronounce Sazz, but now you’ve got me questioning how I sound saying it. (There’s probably an extra syllable thrown in there. 😉)
Howard is on the Arconia’s board, that’s how he ended up knowing and taking in the pig right away. And give said board’s historically tight control of the building, how did the Dudenoff apartment go so unnoticed and so unkempt for so long?! Dudenoff is taking me out. All I can make of it is One-off dud. And Griffin Dunne will make for a great mysterious elderly writer. Also, I’m stuck: which actress is Hammy Fay Baker?
@DoublePMedia we've seen during Season 2 that he is the secretary of the board, he takes minutes. Which isn't a far stretch to see why Oliver gives him tasks like transcribing the ham radio comms, or when he takes them on himself, like putting the shredder pages together in Season 3. But, as I mentioned in one of my replies here, that draws suspicion onto Howard on another point now: as member of the board he should know the flat owners' names. Yet not a single peep from him on the matter. That character is (purposefully?) reduced to a meddling busy nose. But like you saw a review, I've seen an article on the actor and how he feels about 'stepping it up' on Season 4. That leaves things open for him to either be the overaching killer or becoming a perm member of the cast.
Why has nobody analyzed the shooters footprint? I froze the frame on my TV and the shoe print is weirddd Idk if it's a dress shoe or what but I should rewatch all 3 episodes to see what shoes e everyone is wearing
I think it's a little weird that the actors showed up to Charles's apartment out of nowhere. It doesn't seem as though the trio knew about it ahead of time. Very fishy to me.
And about Mabel not having a love interest is good. Personally people would be more wanting that if she just paused on dating for S2 & S3…. Those were just unnecessary romances that really didn’t go anywhere.
I think Dudenoff is the name of the pig that the Western Block crew are raising for the Ham obsession. Germany is known for its Brautwurst, Portugal sounds similar to Pork and Dudenoff is an anagram of "Found Fed" as in they've found and fed the pig.
My theory is Sazz is alive. I think the studio was going to fake a Murder maybe Sazzs, for the podcast without their knowing. And they were maybe going to film them without concent thus needing their life rights signed over. I think Sazz didn't like it at all knowing how upset Charles would be so she was going to tell him in the last episode of last season. Some who stands to loose alot of money with the production, or a great job decided to silence Sazz. They shot her. But she is an amazing stunt woman and is always prepared. Wearing a vest and a blood pack, she survived the bullet. I think she went into hiding maybe snuck out through Charles bathroom into the walls. I also think Charles and the gang know she is alive, and are trying to find who tried to kill her. The building is bugged so they are going along with it to catch the " killer." I think its the young writer guy...just a fly on the wall. It was his big break and couldn't let Sazz ruin it. Just my thoughts lol. Oh and I think all the westie neighbors are just actors brought in. Look at the phot in Pink eye apartment. He has old cameras all over and a ham radio too
Every "E" on his 'naughty list' is a backwards 3 except in the name Ben (the previous victims name), also the "A" in Sam looks a lot like a 2 not sure if it means anything but they sure like playing with E's
The person crossed out in the photograph is definitely Sazz. The German accent on the ham radio sounded to me like it was Meryl Streep. Combined with the Abraham Lincoln clue and this episode making a point that Loretta and Oliver probably not going to last my tin foil hat theory is Loretta is one of the killers, but they’re definitely at least two killers this season.
Yes--I think Loretta is definitely a suspect although most people do not seem to be including her. She could want Charles out of the way thinking that it is more likely Oliver will come out to CA to live with her.
in the trailer, you’ll see someone who looks like a female in boots a crop top and pants with lipstick on and it looks like dark hair get a sniper and step on a windowsill and maybe that is the daughter of the sauce makers and she used her dad‘s gun because he looks like he would know a lot about hunting based off of his knife and the leg in the shower, maybe the dad was the one who carried sazz away because he looks strong enough to do that 🧐 also, what if the person in the picture is Helga and she is the Russian sounding person on the ham radio because in the picture the person is holding the pig and the person on the radio knew the pig and sounded like the pig was hers
Sauce daughter Ana knows something - 100%. As for woman on the radio... I have a hard time believing a character who loves this pet pig so much would be a killer.
The scratched-out face woman is taller than Kumail Nanjani by a few inches, and he is 5'9" so maybe 6' tall Jane Lynch? Maybe it's her "cousin" like in Perfect Strangers and now is in hiding.
Howard is on the board, yet doesn’t know who the apartment belongs to?! Not a single peep out of him… plus how does this classify as an FBI case?! The sniper element?! All the ham references are taking me out ~ the radios are amateur sleuth materials too, who watching who and everybody watching everybody. Nobody knows, yet it’s everybody’s business in that town.
I think the woman on the radio WAS Dudenoff. They wanted to subconsciously throw us off the idea that Dudenoff was a woman but including the word “dude” in the name. But the woman had a Russian accent. If Saz was part of this HAM radio ring and in on whatever they’re doing, maybe she intended to betray them in some way, making her the real target. Ps. Maybe at 10k subscribers, wear an eyepatch and have someone do a spit take right in you face? 😅
YALL I was re-watching the first episode of season four and when the power goes out, all of says something about the incinerator and how their power hasn’t gone out since they banned their old incinerator, which means what if the body wasn’t thrown out until a while after sazz was shot? what if sazz faked her death and she finally got around to planting that false evidence and that’s why it took so long or what if the murder didn’t have time to take care of sazz’s body in time so they hid it in one of the secret passageways or something
If the West Side apartments are rented (not owned), How rich is this professor that he's been renting an apartment while in Portugal, but there is nothing in his apartment? Did he move to Portugal for a sabbatical? But if so, why not sublease? But it looks like it has been empty for a long time? (Maybe someone was squatting with their pig?) Is the code lock an attempt to keep out the landlord? Or a very bad AirBnB/Verbo? Maybe while he’s away he’s letting his “Oh Hell” game night friends use it? But I am very confused why all the apartments in the Arconia are so nice, except this one.
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What clues did you find in episode 3? I love your feedback!
@@DoublePMedia I think Dudenoff is Sazz's brother or twin because like you said before "Brazzos" it's the same letters as in "Sazz Bro" so it might be him in the west tower picture and he might be the killer (Idk why but maybe)😅❤
I think it’s Sazz in the photo but if it isn’t her it’s Charles( he knew them already and is lying) or is someone we haven’t seen yet in the show.
@@vicentemariani8730 I think it could be Sazz or maybe Cookie? Don't know how it would be cookie, just saying because the person appears to be blonde. It could be Sazz with a wig, Cookie (she is a blonde) and the last blonde in the show is... Loretta. (of course Jan is also blonde, but she is not that tall)
they showed all the joints found in the incinerator - but what about the bullet?! surely that'd have to be there too... (may go to the faking death theory?)
Clue light episode, as you say. I am super excited to hear about Griffin Dunne! Hope we get a generous helping.
So I had to come back and leave a message because I saw your video a while back, but when you showed the movie poster for "Two For The Road" it says at the top "Make Something Wonderful Out of Being Alive" so again another possible clue that Sazz is alive. (Or red herring lol)
Ooooo - I love that note!
Thinking about how Jan said the killer would try to kill again. If Charles *was* the intended target, then my prediction is that the killer will try again- but next time, they will accidentally target Eugene Levy instead of Charles! The two will probably be dressed the same just as Sazz and Charles were.
Brilliant!!
Oh no! they can't shot Canadian legend Eugene Levy!!!
I can see an episode where there's mass confusion between the Real Trio, the Movie Trio--and various stunt doubles.
Maybe in episode #4.
That would/could be scary and hilarious at the same time
I am just throwing this out there and I have no idea what, if anything, this means. Charles, Sazz, Eugene Levy, and Scott Bakula wear a style of hat known as a "pork pie" hat. Might not mean anything but I think it's a cute nod to all the pig and ham references.
SMART. Add it to the list. Is a 'pig'/cop the killer? S2 again!
Thank you Double P Media I've been following ur Let's Solve Series from OMITB 1!!! It always has the best breakdown and theories🙌
Thank you so much!!! Help us catch Sazz's killer!
I have been watching this show with my parents ever since it started and I finally decided to get into the community that this show has created. I can’t wait to see your recap on last night’s episode!
I wait for your videos more than the actual episode
Very kind of you to say!
Me too!!
Me too!!!!
Ditto
Thanks for the shoutout! There's a few more loose ends we still need to untangle as the episodes go forward, but I'm enthused with the killer(s) "long game" method. I'm excited to see how this ties in with Oliver's pig poisoned, the note left at Jan's door and most probably Charles' past comes to haunt him again.
Also, the movie about the podcast is not a coincidence, someone definitely orchestrated this to make things complicated.
When Fish punched Eugene Levy, I did my own spit take!
Same
When Charles said he's awkward and Vince Fish exclaimed I'm awkward, too, and then they awkwardly hugged, I chortled.
So the joke worked on a ‘second-hand’ level - marvellously brilliant! Eugene and Steve are masters after all
"Dudenoff" is an anagram for "founded". We know Bunny is the grand-daughter of the Arconia's architect, but do we know who the original owner is? It would make sense that the original owner might keep an apartment in the building, but not live there. That's why it hasn't been updated in decades.
2 ffs
Heights of the guys in the photo:
Alfonso (Desmin Borges): 175cm
Vince Fish (Richard Kind): 185cm
Xmas All the Time (Kumail Nanjiani): 174cm
Now, the PIGtail crossed face person appears to be blonde. The heights of the blondes we know:
Cookie: UNKNOWN
Loretta (Meryl Streep): 168cm
Jan (Amy Ryan): 162cm
Sazz - with wig- (Jane Lynch): 183cm
The crossed face person, that appears to be a blonde woman, is taller than Xmas All the Time and she is not standing straight.
This is WONDERFUL detailed work!!!
Y’know, this episode really explored what I believe this season’s theme will be: you can’t judge a book by its cover, which is a great lesson for a murder mystery. As we see, the actors realise that there is more to the trio that meets the eye, we learn about Christmas-All-the-Time guy and Eyepatch Man’s secrets and they don’t seem how Charles depicted them. So perhaps the murderer is someone we believe will be honest but turn out to be deceitful.
My top suspects right now are the sauce woman or her daughter because the woman on the ham radio at the end sounded like either one of them. And I also suspect that “M. Dudenoff” is an anagram for something.
- The Logical Side of Luka
Charles is the opposite of the Rear View Window’s hero. and all I can make out of Dudenoff is one-off dud - like a poor wannabe’s villain name
I really believe Daughter Ana knows something... don't think she did it, but she knows something!
My absolute favourite part of this episode was Charles and Eugene wearing eyepatches... over their glasses 🤣
LOL - 100% classic
I wait to watch u after each episode, love the vids
Thank you so much! Any idea who the killer is?
@@DoublePMedia Honestly you've covered the best theories. However, one suspect that did start to rise up in the ranks for me was Scott Bakula because episode one was inspired by a Western, and we had a lot of inserts of clips from a Western movie then at the end of season 4 episode 1, we see Scott Bakula and Steve Martin's Characters facing one another in a way that felt very much like a western standoff, it felt off. Scott Bakula wearing all black made the villain of the west aesthetic feel all too real. In the latest episode, the white-haired person who'd face is scratched off made me think "No way? Is that Scott Bakula?".. it is either him or it could be Sazz. But that's my rabbit hole-style longshot guess. Thanks for the vids:)
I think the episode was called Two for the Road because our main characters paired off with their acting counterparts and went off to investigate in twos. I read the original movie was a series of vignettes of the main characters on trips together.
100%
The countdown continues... this week there were 2 of all the main characters and the title of the episode was 'Two for the road'.
If next week is 1, then week after is zero.
I think we are counting down to another attempt on Charles' life.
Toward Zero --- uh oh!
The pig is being raised to be from baby pig sleeping in the tub to pig leg hanging in the tub. Portugal has that Iberico ham, very expensive
Plus all the mention of HAM radios more tie ins to pork.
I don't think Sazz is the scratched out person in the photo. They have long hair. The entire time we've known her, Sazz has had short hair, because she doubles for men. And the next door daughter is in the photo, looking not too much younger, so it couldn't have been too long ago. Something always overlooked - who TOOK the photo?
The person in the picture is wearing PIGtails. I notice she is a blonde, as I said before: it could be Sazz in a wig, Cookie (who is a blonde) and the last blonde on the show is Loretta. We also have Jan, but she is not that tall.
I'm guessing the picture was taken maybe about 6 months to a year ago, judging from the size of Hammy Faye then, and Hammy Faye now.
who took the photo? GREAT QUESTION!
I agree, because when you look closer it almost looks like blonde hair that falls down on the chest. I thought it was part of the outfit at first, but the person is just wearing a shirt and overalls. There is something else there that doesn't look like a collar, it looks like hair.
I can’t stop thinking about the Helga note bc of Helga G. Pataki from Hey Arnold! Sazz’s last name is Pataki 👀
I spotted this too. Just guessing but, fellow millennial? 😅
I think a lot of us late 80’s early 90’s kids put Helga and Pataki together. If Saz’s real name is Helga, or maybe if Helga is her sister and has the last name Pataki, that would be so wild.
Saz also has a Helga Pataki-esque relationship with Charles. She belittles and condescends toward him while still being obsessed enough with him (though not romantically) to come into his life over and over again still wearing matching clothes.
Into his life over and over
Pataki is a Greek surname - links to 1st Season?!
@@spoonfullasugar5613 Pataki is a Greek surname - links to 1st Season?!
Sarah pataki too*
This makes me want to go back to season 1 and look for some minor character that seemingly doesn't matter. My insane theory I don't even buy is: what if it's a Brazzos super-fan that's been plotting this all along since the podcast started, Tons of holes here--but I feel like the writers have an arc in mind.
That would work, we'd need the producers to tie it all together
Season one IS the key if there is a mastermind, but he or she predates the podcast so there is no reason to think it's someone from Charles's circle. He didn't even know most of his neighbors' names.
It was Uma 😂 I’m obvi joking, I have no idea.
Are we sure Dudenoff even exists?
It was great having Det. Williams back, if only briefly.
Didn't Det. Williams win the Oscar last year? Keeping her as a regular presence on the show will be tricky.
@@DoublePMedia yes she did. I totally forgot (🤫)
I know that a viewer last week talked about how they thought paramount wouldn’t let a killer work on their studio in the show, but I actually think the opposite!
Think about this. This show is produced by Hulu, and owned by Disney. But why would Disney advertise their competitor, Paramount? They could’ve easily made the fictional movie produced by 20th Century Studios, a studio Disney owns and Hulu has worked with!
I think the reason they are including Paramount is because the killer is someone employed by Paramount within the show. Disneys very protective of their image and wouldn’t let a killer work in their studio or an adjunct studio (even fictionally)
I like this take, I'll read it next week and give viewers a chance to engage with the studio theory :)
Brilliant!
I am not some lawyer or anything, But wouldn't that open the show and streaming platform (Hulu/Disney) to potential defamation lawsuits or some crap like that?? Wouldn't it be wiser to use a fake studio/ streaming platform's name?
@@Conan1996 I’m not claiming Disney did it without paramounts consent, but I think paramount would say yes if Disney was like “hey we want to include your company in only murders but the stipulation is that in the show the murderer will be employed by you”
@@DoublePMediathis is a really good take you should read it next episode
Let me tell you what's been bothering me: I fundamentally don't believe that you can burn a body in an apartment building incinerator. This has been surprisingly hard to confirm and, given the search history I have now, I'd better hope no one I know dies in a fire. Since apartment incinerators largely don't exist anymore, at least in North America, and they were pretty loosey-goosey when they did exist, there don't seem to be a lot of specs out there. In general, though, I can say that cremation takes really high temperatures and, unless the show said otherwise and I missed it (totally possible), I doubt an apartment incinerator could match them. But if it could? You'd still get something very different from the ashes they found. Cremains are still recognizable as human remains, with large bone fragments, until put through a crusher called a cremulator (not makin' these words up.) What they found in that incinerator is more like what someone who didn't do a lot of research would THINK you'd find at the bottom of an incinerator. In other words, if the show knows this and is adhering to reality in this respect, either Sazz isn't dead or those aren't Sazz's remains and someone has set up this scene. But this is a TV show, and suspension of disbelief is required. Which means I can't tell if the show means for us to accept that you can burn someone to ash and metal joints in an apartment incinerator because, in the show's reality, this is true... or whether show is taking advantage of our willingness to suspend disbelief and is going to turn around before the end and said, "Of course you can't burn someone to ash in an apartment incinerator--don't be ridiculous! Sazz has been alive the whole time!"
PREACH! Yep, the FBI will be wondering about my search history on incinerators too!
Last year there was a ton of expert knowledge like this about everything from the paperwork in the stage manager's office to how long it would take a sprinkling of arsenic to put down a grown man, and every single bit of it was irrelevant. The show's science and reality quotient is that of a bugs bunny cartoon.
@@la_scrittice_vita This is probably completely right, but the annoying thing about a lot of mysteries is that they'll do this--they'll play fast and loose with reality and then they'll pull out a "but you, the viewer, should have known ALL ALONG that this was IMPOSSIBLE! A body burned in an apartment block incinerator? It is to laaaaaaugh!" Absolutely infuriates me, like, what about the other twenty ridiculous things we were supposed to accept as fact? How are we supposed to know when you're shrugging off reality and when you're adhering to it? Which is why I do a ridiculous amount of research for my books even though no one but me will ever notice or care.
Theory: the person on the ham radio warning the trio sounded like they were from Europe, maybe "HELGA?"
That's a raised eyebrow 'yes' from me :)
A connection is Pink Eye Guy has ALFRED HITCHCOCK books in his apartment
Also lots of cameras and film posters. And a ham radio
If he likes films, he would know Charles' work. And maybe Sazz's work too?
Hello Hello!
Great stuff in this video!
My girlfriend and I kinda drew a blank with this episode, we thought it was a bit busy with the actors shadowing the trio.
Those director's chairs, how they were doubled up in the opening...
I've got a Bizzaro thing where maybe the killer or killers are an actor & their double, like Charles & Sazz...
Need to get more from the next episode, potentially a new player on the board!
Back for more next week!
Bizzaro Brazzos!
Love the tin foil theories this week! I feel like it was a pretty clue-light episode (mostly just “eliminating” possible suspects with not a ton of sleuthing) - but you saying that the German woman’s voice could be Helga made me stand upright, you’ve gotta be right!
I also think you zooming in on the photo really makes it look like Jane Lynch with a long blonde wig on. I think it would be a little too goofy if Sazz had this whole other life across the way from Charles we never knew about though… interested to see her connection to this Helga!
Also - the Griffin Dunne thing!! He’s such a great actor and it’ll be fun to see how he shows up.
I keep thinking about how much that image looks like Jane Lynch with a wig (just from her height and what you can make out from the face) - my new theory is that Jane Lynch is playing Helga who is maybe Sazz’s twin sister? I feel like twins are a popular mystery story archetype, and Helga was maybe flying in (hence her name on the plane ticket) and I guess maybe lived in the Arconia?
I haven’t figured out all the details but that’s my new theory I’m running with: that a Helga is the woman scratched off in the photo (and who spoke on the radio), she’s related to Sazz in someway, and will be played by Jane Lynch.
My 80s brain loved the Perfect Strangers theme song and Oliver and Zach acting out the opening title sequence, as much as I loved the cameo from Scott Bakula. I hope there are plenty more to come. Perhaps these are clues that someone from the past or an event in the past triggered the murder.
Trying to come up with a theory that the Wesites are 'perfect strangers' --- not coming together as I hoped.
This season is a love letter to a lot of the mystery media out there. Got big ace attorney/danganronpa vibes so far. The spoiler doesn't seem too far off what I've seen in those franchises. 😊 I love this and last season sm.
Hell Yeah!
There’s still something Jan said to Charles, that makes me think she’s still guilty in a way. She said that when someone misses their target, they often try again but in a more creative way or something like that. I can’t help think of how she failed with Charles and how this would be her long winded way of trying again.
This could lead into the fact that she might be killed off at the end of the season. I would very much enjoy that they find out it was Jan who killed Saz but when they go to take her in, she has already been murdered.
The way she reacted in the moment felt like someone who fk up and tried to re asset the situation. You see it a lot in some killer/thriller movies. But it could also be red herring.
I think Sazz was the intended target based on what the woman on the ham radio said (about someone snooping around and getting killed). I also think that Sazz is the woman with the scratched out face in Vince Fish's photo, I think she and the westies know something (also I'd be disappointed if Jan was the killer again D:)
Oooo - I like that. Will there be yet ANOTHER attempt?
Sazz is the person in the picture!and I am start thinking about the brothers sisters..a lot of references on duality,there is also a western film called “the sister brothers” who is about 2 killers hired by someone…and the perfect strangers song as well..still a clue on it…for to mention the image of the sniper in the omintb first clip looks
Like a young lady…
You're reminding me of Vertigo - will we end up dangling of the edge of the Arconia?
Good theory! ❤
I think "Dudenoff" may be some kind of firm that someone misheard and its actually going to be Doode and Hoff or Dued-Enhoff or something like that
I wish I had a big juicy theory or clue for everyone, but the only thing on my mind is how much less sense the apparent assassination attempt makes the more we learn about it. It seems like a necessarily complex and carefully planned hit but there's just so many bizarre and sloppy elements to it if it really was a premeditated shot.
Right, but it has to be premeditated, right?
Ben was a name on Rudy’s abs, he was on the naughty list. He hated Charles.
Jan would make a LOT of sense for be the season 5 victim
TAP INEZ would definitely be an interesting clue, although you'd think if Inez was involved somehow, she would have omitted the "Tap" part since that would obviously lead to confusion.
Rudy with the backwards "E" on his body is really, really suspicious. Is there just one member of the Only Murders production crew writing all these notes for the series and that's what's to account for this consistency, or is the same culprit who wrote the season 1 letter and the notes on Sazz's desk? The only thing I will say is that Rudy most likely didn't write that on himself because it was way too perfectly legible (I know he claimed he did, but he could be lying). Could it have been Dudenoff him/herself who drew it on him?
I still think Dudenoff = Sazz, although I accept that it could be another member of the Pataki family. Or even Helga herself, whoever that is. It definitely looked like a Sazz-shaped person in that photo, at any rate. And yes, I acknowledge that Vince doesn't have pinkeye and Rudy isn't wearing the Christmas sweater in that photo, so it could be from a long time ago.
I think the pervading crackpot/foilhat theory is that Sazz staged her own death and is challenging Charles to "tap in" in some way. We still haven't seen any solid evidence that Sazz was in that incinerator, besides those prosthetics, which could have easily been planted there if it was designed to be a red herring by the real killer. I honestly think Sazz could be a good fit for the Moriarty of the series if this is true, and it would make an amazing reveal.
Griffin Dunne being Dudenoff would be a HUGE spoiler, so I really hope that's not true (screw you, Rolling Stone!). I still think it's interesting that journalists only got the first 7 episodes, so there must be a game-changing twist in episode 8 (possibly Sazz still being alive?).
I'm surprised you didn't mention anything about the whole "Perfect Strangers" throughline in this episode, because it seemed like a deliberate reference to something, but I have no idea what it might be pointing to.
All right, that's all I got this week. I'm all TAPPED OUT.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention: The Abraham Lincoln picture does seem to be deliberately placed in the frame. I don't think it's a coincidence, but which actor would have it out for Charles? The only person I can think is Sazz herself. Maybe her motive is that she was tired of being his fall guy for all these years.
This might have already been stated, but, there is a prominently displayed Alfred HItchcock book on display in Pink Eye's apartment.
Thank you!!! I haven’t heard anyone talk about this
Do you think we'll get a scene similar to the closing scene in Rear Window this year? Mabel in place of Grace Kelly?
May be a far stretch but my brain keeps trying to connect the Perfect Strangers reference with the Hitchcock movie Strangers on a Train. Maybe people are using the hamm radio to connect in such a way? That's my tin hat theory. :) For those who aren't familiar:, two random guys start talking about their troubles while commuting on a train, and start theorizing that if they killed for the other person, there would be no way to link it back to them as they really have no other connection except this random encounter of meeting on the train. But they were just theorizing.... or were they? Either that or it's just a hamm channel for fans of Larry and Balki to talk about the show. lol
My brain made the same connection because the clue isn't the song, it's the name of the song/show: Perfect Strangers. Based on the texts from Sazz's phone after her death, the killer has to have connections on both the East & West Coast. So, Trina & Tawny Brothers speaking via ham radio to Inez's daughter, who just wants to get out of that apartment, could maybe be convinced to commit murder for the sake of stardom out West? She was told to "fix her face" too. Heavy make-up to cover rifle kick bruise?
The eye patch guy also has a Hitchcock book on his mantle! It was the only book you could see the title of, I kept thinking of strangers on a train too! He also had psycho and the shining which the west hallways really emulate the hotel from the shining I thought
Abby, are we in Rear Window or Vertigo? Or Pyscho?
I think Dudenoff sounds like ‘do not knock’ to me 🙈
Anyone think the person on the radio sounded German. Germany is famous for sausages.
Or maybe it’s more Swiss, Switzerland is famous for chocolate, pigs find truffles but truffles are also a type of chocolate…
Also what to pigs do…pigs squeal! Maybe the murder was to stop someone squealing…
Oooo - this is good
@@DoublePMediayay! Glad you think so! I sometimes delay watching an episode (if I’m not too excited…) till after your video goes live, because right after I watch an episode I need to see what you and the other commenters think! I just love this channel. You put so much work into it, it’s amazing!! 🙌
Great recap & theory video as always! Here are my theories thus far:
o Rudy is the hired assassin, who has been sending threatening notes to the trio and Jan in Season1 as the handwriting on his abs & notes match. He wanted the podcast to stop because he was afraid the trio may tie him to earlier killings he committed in the building.
o Someone on the west coast wants the OMITB movie halted, and killing Charles was one way to stop it. This would answer the “why now” question. Charles was also the easiest target, as he was often seen by his window.
o Ham radio may be used to place special request for things, e.g. place an order for black market ham, or a hit job, and all of the Westies are somehow involved.
o Could Prof M. Dudenoff be OMIT-B’s Moriarty? Does the “M” stand for Moriarty???
o As for the significance of number 4, there may be 4 killers this season!
If Rudy is a hired assassin - getting the naughty list on his abs was great work!
4 killers: Vince Rudy, Inez and Alfonso --- or Bev, Marshall and the Brothers Sisters
@@DoublePMedia I don't think it's Bev since she has too much invested in the movie and the producer being the killer has been done last season. But Marshall & the Brothers Sisters are definitely on my suspect list. I also suspect Charles' sister, who could be the voice on the ham radio, but we haven't seen her yet.
A very clue light episode for sure! Not much to go on but I’ll have a think and speculate as always
We need clues :)
I think that Eugene Levy has something more to do with this. He is a bit TOO much of a fan of Brazzos, as is the sauce lady from the west tower. Maybe he's a crazed fan? Maybe Charles snubbed him at some point back in the Brazzos days, somehow?
All of the situations so far have been ones that Charles has had an advantage in due to his background on Brazzos, and he keeps commenting on it. Picking the locks of Saz's apartment, having to come up with a scheme to get Vince's eye patch off...stuff like that. Makes me think Charles is the true target.
That last thing in the video ruined my theory... possibly
I am old enough to remember Perfect Strangers, but not Two for the Road. The theme of the eppy is about bonding, esp between 2 people who are forced to work together, and we see a lot of that here. In the trailer Audrey Hepburn says ‘I hate you’ then ‘I love you’, like Zach does with Oliver. Can a ham radio be hacked or given a virus? I think the characters are using it to get inside info or commit crimes without being caught. Wonder why the face in the picture was scratched out and not cut out.My theory is that Dudenoff is a DEAD tenant, or not real, but on the lease, so that the neighbors can use the empty apartment for illegal deeds. It would explain why it does not looked lived in or modernized. I don’t think the shooter meant to kill Sazz, or ANYONE, it was probably an accident. Even Oswald wouldn’t take a shot at night in a darkened apartment! I do think that Sazz’s body was disposed of to cover up for the ballistics match being traced.
Audrey Hepburn saying "I hate you" "I love you" happened in the other Donen film 'Charade' too!
Dudenoff = Dead Tenant / I can get behind that.
I'm wondering if Charles's driver is Saz's brother and Charles was, as usual, oblivious to this fact. The Driver could be a failed actor that is jealous of, not just, Charles's success but also Charles's relationship with his own sister.
He could have even been there the night the gang went to Saz's home, himself there to check in on his sister and figure out where she is.
This obviously has to imply that the shooter didn't clean up the body though.
Nice!
I have a few theories about bakula, joy and maybe the wester. BUT this is my gut feeling theory, Sazz has a "twin sister?" Named Sarah, sister was jealous of Charles and or sazz? She moved in across made friends with the westies, but she messed something up where they disown her. Sarah accidentally killed sazz and gave her her proper clean up, tap in might be something they shared and she treated Charles like a brother/ his guardian.
The 1st few mins when sazz is talking about being a stunt double, I think her sister comes and runs in saying again×3
Keep up the videos love them
Thanks, We'll get justice for Sazz!
My theory is that Sazz did it HERSELF! She is not dead, there is no body,to put a replacement metal bone in there would make Charles think immediately that she is dead. The blood on the floor is like, that other movie forgot the name, she used her own blood but hasn’t died. Why she did it? To spice the life of Charles who she thought was depressed and needed another crime to solve. Or because there is a secret club that tests detectives, something like that. Of course this little silly theory goes down the drain if those ashes have her dna :/
And I also think Jan helped in some way...
That's my current thought too
When do you think Sazz will show back up?
@@DoublePMedia I always watch the episodes paying attention but the last ones I had it on background, so I don’t know if I’ve missed anything BUT, with that said:
I actually have two theories:
Sazz did it herself and is alive (maybe that’s wishful thinking because I want her to be alive :) ), but somehow that didn’t turn out how she expected and she is danger now...I am pretty sure whatever the original shooter was there was some twists after and that multiple people did different things even if not knowing each other, or planing it together.
Second theory:
Somehow Lucy’s mother is involved. Lucy always had funky pants, and the pants of the shooter are very funky. Also the shooter has this colorful satin laces on her boots. It looks a little bit like from the circus. Also Lucy always mentioned how things were messy back at home, that she had a lot of dads, and Lucy’s mother seems impulsive and a little bit cruel if she left Charles on a cruise alone without warning, when they were a family and it was their anniversary. I missed what Charles answered about what it means “tap in”, because he said he knows what it means. Maybe it was a dancing group they had? The shooter’s clothes seems very artistic/unusual. Also Lucy’s mother knows the Arconia, etc.
@@DoublePMedia I think I solved it 😂 I was actually washing a pan and it down on me, that:
Sazz isn’t dead. She was hired by the studio to shoot a scene of her own death, because they are a making a documentary about them, not a movie. But instead of just following them around, they actually make situations up!
I still don’t know if, that being the case, if Sazz thinks that her “death scene” is supposed to look as it was real, her death, to Charles or she agreed thinking that it was a scene of the movie and that he would know about it.
The westies are probably in it too. They are working for the studio also.
Sazz also must have been told to disappear or go on vacations after it, “Paradise”.
Did you notice that the crossed face woman in the picture are wearing a PIGtail hairstyle?
Great note! Love it!
@@DoublePMedia at this point, I’m expecting her to yodel her way out of that picture frame!
Hey Double P
This episode doesn't contain too much clues yeah but it seems like it builds up to a bigger episode maybe ep 4 or 5.
As for the person that had their face erased in Pink eye's picture, i think it is a woman, not only based on the clothes but also the slight orange/blonde hair that appears around her waist.
Also this picture seems recent. Their daughter appears to be the same age and the pig doesn't seem to have grown a whole lot since then.
My guess is that the woman in the picture is the one speaking to them in the ham radio.
About howard, i wonder if maybe he was following the main trio into the west side with the dog to investigate on his own... that would explain why he found the pig
Smart. -- We need Gravey and Hammy to be friends :)
Two things...IRL, Hepburn and Finney were having an affair whilst filming. The tinsel stuff is actually common here in the UK - it's used as ribbon to wrap presents and Loretta was a professional gift-wrapper...??
Wow! Here we go --- would the gift wrap ribbon be fire/heat proof?
@@DoublePMedia I don't know! I need to get some to test it 😅
FINALLY!!!!! I thought no one knew about curled ribbon that goes on presents!!! I use them all the time!
@@redinsc69 is it flammable though?! I don't have any, only get it at Christmas!
Oh my gosh, now I’ve seen the photo up close; I think it’s Sazz in the picture. Obviously I don’t think she’s murdered herself. I think she was maybe living at the apartment maybe with the killer for a while, not knowing that they were a killer and then maybe tried to warn Charles before it was too late?
Dudenoff is such a weird “name”. So I’m thinking it’s like Dude-n-off so maybe code for a woman instead of a dude to throw people off.
Scott Bakula could be in the photo, not Sazz? Maybe he’s secretly a spy or something and Dudenoff is his alias 😂
I think the attempted murderer is either Joy or one of the producers from season 3.
Looking at Dudenoff upside down looks like a phonetic version of “phone bud”. 😂
I can't figure out who the intended target was. If it was Charles, then how did the shooter know they shot the wrong person and run over to the apartment in time to move the body? Also, why did the lady on the radio say the last person who was asking questions was killed? That makes it sound like Sass was the intended target. But if that's the case, how did the person across the courtyard happen to know Sass would be in Charles' apartment, alone, right at the perfect time to shoot her? And also, why did they move the body? Regardless of who the intended victim is, why did the murderer shoot from so far away if they knew they wanted to move the body? Even if there were two people, how would they know the exact time Sass would be in Charles' apartment alone, with no one in the hallway for enough time to move the body? How did they plan this? I feel like none of this makes sense. Also, my dad was a ham radio guy. Ham people have call signs that are numbers and letters. They don't use names. So why did Mabel get on the radio and say it was OMITB to Perfect Stranger or how ever she said it? Why would anyone answer that? I feel like this season is more confusing than when Poppy some how knew all the secret passage ways in the building, but Charles and Oliver didn't even though in season 1 Charles says he has blue prints of the whole building.
OMG - I was just writing a note about Poppy and the secret passageways to say in my podcast for episode 4, stopped to look at YT feedback, and you wrote the same thing! Great minds think alike :)
Great points, and questions I have too. I think the shooting was an accident.
Who told the doorman to fix the window? Charles did not know that there was a hole in the window.
Abraham LIncoln's assassination was a huge conspiracy with many people involved before and after. Could Abe be pointing us to a cast of killers?? The tassel could be from a costume wig or cheerleader pom-pom. In episode 2, the Westie Mom told the daughter to "fix her face." I thought is was figurative. But now I wonder if she was covering up a black eye with makeup. I am still not sure Sazz is dead. Agree, she is the crossed out one in the picture. This season is so fun!!!!
That "tinsel" was actually metal. Know that's a clue, what uses flat metal, like that? Maybe audiovisual, radio?
I keep thinking about Sazz saying that she had something "sensitive" to tell Charles. That doesn't really imply dangerous does it?
I'm thinking that sensitive could be something about the private lives of either of the three main characters. Sazz isn't as close to Mabel and Oliver.so perhaps she's going to Charles first. Was Loretta up to something that would hurt Oliver? Was one of Mabel's ex's stalking her? Or is there something in Charles' past that would be very embarrassing if he were to allow Paramount to own his "life-rights"..
But what if Sazz misunderstood what that person was up to, and the killer was really up to was something even worse, so he/she killed Sazz to stop her from finding out the full truth.
I have a suspicion that the limo driver in Hollywood knows something. Maybe it's something to do with the weekly poker games during Brazzos.
I'm sure you have heard this before but you have a GREAT voice! I'm sure you do voice work. 😁
Thanks for saying that!
I, too, am trapped in the decoding of Dudenoff. This week, we had the addition of M as the first initial. Doesn’t help. I had previously wondered if Dudenoff in the note was Sazz misspelling duodenum and if that could be related to her doctor’s appointment. I need help. Lol.
If you find help, send it here! :)
I’m not sure if it’s important but something about Christmas guy saying how hard it is to right backwards stuck out to me, maybe it’s a foreshadowing?
I could see it
Sazz has been out of her home in LA for a lon time ago, that was the reason why she has all that mail and packages outside, and the flowers were dried. Dudenoff is the german of friend 😬 is that a nickname? And the message in blood could be something or a distraction as in Sherlock's Study in Scarlett. And Has Sazz a twin sister? 🤔
From the episode description, there may be a different twin clue next episode
@@DoublePMedia 😯😮😲 bad twin and good twin !
The theory you mention of it being a completely different person who cleaned up the body I actually really like for a murder mystery. Do I think it’s what happening this season? No, BUT it would make for a good plot of a movie. Like a serial killer is getting away with these killings because a third party is getting rid of the bodies without either the killer or the cops catching onto them
Let's pitch, Bev Melon! And get some of that Paramount $$$
The ‘E’ in Savage behind the painting of Charles’ father is the same 3 looking ‘E’ S2E9
Oh here we go!
The Roman empire used War Pigs (and War Mice) against Hannibal's War Elephants. They could possibily be using pigs to fight Cage The Ellephant.
But on a serious note, a pig could represent greedy pig.
Ooo. Who's the greddy pig? Or a pig/cop?
@@DoublePMedia maybe.
The radio frequency of “445” flipped upside down like the 77340 code looks like “shh” - an ominous secret?
All these clues - I'm turned upside down too!
This is a very far stretch and definitely a tin hat theory. Tap in was something Sazz and Charles said in brazzos, who else was on brazzos ? Joy. The killer usually doesn’t have a big part in the story until the middle of the season but they are always there from the start. Joy being mentioned in episode 1 is probably nothing but seemed out of place.
Joy... a woman scorned... a killer? Could be!
In the podcast for OMITB they played a clip of the German accented lady on the Ham radio. Her tone sounded like Jan a bit. She killed Saz
Jan ain't in Florida. Where do you think she is?
Wondering why Eva Longoria grabbed that gun off the wall... So her prints would already be on it? Hope no one shoots their eye out. 😉
LOL - love the idea to grab something in plain sight to apply the fingerprints
Not necessarily to do with this episode but my mind keeps going back to the "life rights" the characters had to sign away to the studio. Did Sazz with her stunt work have some similar contract involving Charles and the studio needed to get that out of the way?
What if Jan was the target? What if someone knew that Jan escaped and someone was trying to save Charles from her? What if it’s an ex boyfriend who she didn’t successfully kill? Or what if they were trying to get justice for Tim Kono?
#JusticeForTim would be a twist. They let Jan out of prison for a reason...
Late to the party, me, but if Sazz faked her death it could mean she and Jan are going on the lam. I am very hung up on Dudenoff being something important to the murder. Thanks for these videos, Double P. Where is our One Last Question series this time. MCC is too busy and involved in the story, but let's have Jackie Hoffman❤ host! She's a lot of fun on and off screen.
100% Let Jackie Hoffman host!
Actually totally forgot that Cookie's name was on the Murder-board. Funny how we had a certain poisonous cookie last season being directly tied to our murder victim.. Cookie could be jealous of Saz's and Jan's relationship so she killed Saz and now might even be after Jan, with Jan knowing that this is the case but trying to hide this from Charles to protect his feelings because she still loves him.
100% she still loves him
So I think there is definitely murder, right now it’s a rough theory for me to come up with, but I think Rudy did help in the murder. There is gonna be holes in this theory at the moment, but in the photo he isn’t wearing a Christmas sweater? When did he post that video and is that the same pig in the foto? And is the pig fully grown? How old is the foto? My theory Rudy was the one to carry the body, but didn’t kill Sazz. Plus he wasn’t accounted for cause he was too busy carrying the body to furnis
I bow down. This is the best theory that I've read yet
Ah! You’re the only reviewer I’ve watched so far who caught the nod to the classic saying about improv - it’s always “yes, and…”! When Eugene Levy starts improvising their cover story to get Vince to try the drops - with the last word he says literally being “improv” - Charles immediately responds “Yes, and…,” and continues to do so, no matter how off the rails it goes - as any good (albeit nervous) actor should! 😂 You know, a continuing theme for the show is that each season pays tribute to a different art form: Season 1 = podcasting, Season 2 = fine / visual art, Season 3 = theatre / musicals, Season 4 = acting / movies. In fact, one major thing that likely contributed to my dislike of Season 2 but enjoyment of Season 3 is that I know nothing about the art world (and as such, had no frame of reference for any inside jokes related to it), but as a former theatre kid, I caught all the love the show threw our way (and as a film buff, I’m digging this season, too). ❤ It really does add another clever level of enjoyment - and maybe I would appreciate Season 2 more if I knew something about art! 😅
All that being said, since the show has been renewed for Season 5, which art form do you think they’ll pay tribute to next? What’s left?
Jillian, as you're an improv theatre person --- I could regale you with stories of the time I was sitting on a box of surgical gloves in a freezing warehouse in Chicago, as Del Close encouraged my improv group to scream "chaka chaka chaka" until we achieved a group mind... but it would be too depressing :)
@@DoublePMedia Whoa…That’s intense. 😄 You’re a brave soul! I’ve done musicals and things like that (only on the school and community levels), but when it comes to improv, I was more the “played Whose Line game with friends yet was too nervous to actually take a class” type. But hey, anything for your art, right? And I’m sure it makes for a great story. 😊
Also, you mentioned your “possibly Southern” accent. I have a “definitely Southern” accent, so unless you were joking, that’s something else we’ve got in common! I don’t believe I mispronounce Sazz, but now you’ve got me questioning how I sound saying it. (There’s probably an extra syllable thrown in there. 😉)
Helga dudenoff could be the German women in the picture and on the ham radio at the end cause she knew the name of the pig and said she loved her
That would make sense.
Howard is on the Arconia’s board, that’s how he ended up knowing and taking in the pig right away. And give said board’s historically tight control of the building, how did the Dudenoff apartment go so unnoticed and so unkempt for so long?! Dudenoff is taking me out. All I can make of it is One-off dud. And Griffin Dunne will make for a great mysterious elderly writer. Also, I’m stuck: which actress is Hammy Fay Baker?
Smart thought - I've never lived in this type of building before, but would Howard be on the HOA board, and would that represent the renters?
@DoublePMedia we've seen during Season 2 that he is the secretary of the board, he takes minutes. Which isn't a far stretch to see why Oliver gives him tasks like transcribing the ham radio comms, or when he takes them on himself, like putting the shredder pages together in Season 3. But, as I mentioned in one of my replies here, that draws suspicion onto Howard on another point now: as member of the board he should know the flat owners' names. Yet not a single peep from him on the matter. That character is (purposefully?) reduced to a meddling busy nose. But like you saw a review, I've seen an article on the actor and how he feels about 'stepping it up' on Season 4. That leaves things open for him to either be the overaching killer or becoming a perm member of the cast.
Why has nobody analyzed the shooters footprint? I froze the frame on my TV and the shoe print is weirddd
Idk if it's a dress shoe or what but I should rewatch all 3 episodes to see what shoes e everyone is wearing
Looks like a sneaker
I think it's a little weird that the actors showed up to Charles's apartment out of nowhere. It doesn't seem as though the trio knew about it ahead of time. Very fishy to me.
They simply walked in too, didn't knock or ring doorbell. Very Vince Fishy to me!
@pica2754 at this point, Charles' apartment is the real Grant Central of NYC
And about Mabel not having a love interest is good. Personally people would be more wanting that if she just paused on dating for S2 & S3…. Those were just unnecessary romances that really didn’t go anywhere.
100%
I love Oliver and am sad Zack galafragalistic is being so harsh to him .
That's what I was thinking too - Not Cool, Z!
I really think the idea Jan is being set up for the next seasons victim
I guess Bakula or Joy has to do something with this. 🤔 It's quite complicating this time. What you guys think?
445 looks like Shh upsidedown
Brilliant!
You dmust think of teh most obvious in each episode!!
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FOUR!!!!
Or maybe 5 :)
I think Sazz faked her death so she could run away with Jan. And she is the one the owns the apartment.
The True Love Theory - I love it!
I think Dudenoff is the name of the pig that the Western Block crew are raising for the Ham obsession. Germany is known for its Brautwurst, Portugal sounds similar to Pork and Dudenoff is an anagram of "Found Fed" as in they've found and fed the pig.
Pigs can cause congintivitus
Poor Vince Fish!
445 upside down can sort of look like “shh”
Good catch (but not too loud)
My theory is Sazz is alive. I think the studio was going to fake a Murder maybe Sazzs, for the podcast without their knowing. And they were maybe going to film them without concent thus needing their life rights signed over. I think Sazz didn't like it at all knowing how upset Charles would be so she was going to tell him in the last episode of last season. Some who stands to loose alot of money with the production, or a great job decided to silence Sazz. They shot her. But she is an amazing stunt woman and is always prepared. Wearing a vest and a blood pack, she survived the bullet. I think she went into hiding maybe snuck out through Charles bathroom into the walls. I also think Charles and the gang know she is alive, and are trying to find who tried to kill her. The building is bugged so they are going along with it to catch the " killer." I think its the young writer guy...just a fly on the wall. It was his big break and couldn't let Sazz ruin it. Just my thoughts lol. Oh and I think all the westie neighbors are just actors brought in. Look at the phot in Pink eye apartment. He has old cameras all over and a ham radio too
Sazz wearing a vest and a blood pack is where my mind is going too.
Every "E" on his 'naughty list' is a backwards 3 except in the name Ben (the previous victims name), also the "A" in Sam looks a lot like a 2 not sure if it means anything but they sure like playing with E's
How in the world did Rudy write the Naughty List so perfectly on his belly?
The person crossed out in the photograph is definitely Sazz. The German accent on the ham radio sounded to me like it was Meryl Streep. Combined with the Abraham Lincoln clue and this episode making a point that Loretta and Oliver probably not going to last my tin foil hat theory is Loretta is one of the killers, but they’re definitely at least two killers this season.
Loretta and Dickie ?
Yes--I think Loretta is definitely a suspect although most people do not seem to be including her. She could want Charles out of the way thinking that it is more likely Oliver will come out to CA to live with her.
in the trailer, you’ll see someone who looks like a female in boots a crop top and pants with lipstick on and it looks like dark hair get a sniper and step on a windowsill and maybe that is the daughter of the sauce makers and she used her dad‘s gun because he looks like he would know a lot about hunting based off of his knife and the leg in the shower, maybe the dad was the one who carried sazz away because he looks strong enough to do that 🧐
also, what if the person in the picture is Helga and she is the Russian sounding person on the ham radio because in the picture the person is holding the pig and the person on the radio knew the pig and sounded like the pig was hers
Sauce daughter Ana knows something - 100%. As for woman on the radio... I have a hard time believing a character who loves this pet pig so much would be a killer.
i am 80% sure it’s detective williams.
MAN - that would be a shock!
first!
The scratched-out face woman is taller than Kumail Nanjani by a few inches, and he is 5'9" so maybe 6' tall Jane Lynch? Maybe it's her "cousin" like in Perfect Strangers and now is in hiding.
Or the Patty Duke Show - identical cousins!
Howard is on the board, yet doesn’t know who the apartment belongs to?! Not a single peep out of him… plus how does this classify as an FBI case?! The sniper element?! All the ham references are taking me out ~ the radios are amateur sleuth materials too, who watching who and everybody watching everybody. Nobody knows, yet it’s everybody’s business in that town.
I think the woman on the radio WAS Dudenoff. They wanted to subconsciously throw us off the idea that Dudenoff was a woman but including the word “dude” in the name. But the woman had a Russian accent.
If Saz was part of this HAM radio ring and in on whatever they’re doing, maybe she intended to betray them in some way, making her the real target.
Ps. Maybe at 10k subscribers, wear an eyepatch and have someone do a spit take right in you face? 😅
LOL - if we can get to 10,000, I'll do it
YALL I was re-watching the first episode of season four and when the power goes out, all of says something about the incinerator and how their power hasn’t gone out since they banned their old incinerator, which means what if the body wasn’t thrown out until a while after sazz was shot?
what if sazz faked her death and she finally got around to planting that false evidence and that’s why it took so long or what if the murder didn’t have time to take care of sazz’s body in time so they hid it in one of the secret passageways or something
Smart thought - if Sazz faked her death and wanted to be found-- she was lying on Charles' floor a long time.
If the West Side apartments are rented (not owned), How rich is this professor that he's been renting an apartment while in Portugal, but there is nothing in his apartment? Did he move to Portugal for a sabbatical? But if so, why not sublease? But it looks like it has been empty for a long time? (Maybe someone was squatting with their pig?) Is the code lock an attempt to keep out the landlord? Or a very bad AirBnB/Verbo? Maybe while he’s away he’s letting his “Oh Hell” game night friends use it? But I am very confused why all the apartments in the Arconia are so nice, except this one.
I think nobody really lived there, it was a squatter.
Having an odd thought that I can't say out loud - We don't know the Sauce family's name yet -- could they be Dudenoffs?
The string is very important, like the bassoon cleaner in season 1.
MAN - I assumed that it was tied to film making! Do you have a link to where we could read about it / see a comparison?
Interesting, the only stunt actors that have been mentioned so far have been the Spitaki family. I guess this leans into the brother theory.