Speaking of father/son relationships, what about Oscar’s father seeking revenge for Tim’s 10 years of silence that lead to Oscar being falsely incarcerated? He lives on the 6th floor where Tim came from (apt 6B) and has access to everyone’s apartments as the Super.
Ahhh please see my comment above!!! I will paste a part of it here: Teddy could have made a deal with Oscar’s FATHER, so if Oscar’s father agreed to kill Tim Kono, his son would be released from prison.
Oscar's dad has good reason to be angry, but killing Tim after Oscar was released? Why now? I think Oscar's behavior is very off. He is pretty chill for someone wrongly convicted 10 years ago. He should have been going crazy when the Dimas story came to light. How is he not cursing out Tim and the Dimases? Either he has secrets yet to come or this is some poor writing for his character.
@@LB-gz3ke Agreed. I think Tim might have contacted Oscar to apologize & discuss how they can take down Teddy when he secured the ring from Cutter. Oscar's reluctance to talk about the past is very reminiscent of Tim's reaction to Mabel, as they both want to protect her from Teddy.
One thought I overlooked earlier in the series is how knowledgeable Charles is about the layout/design style of everyone’s apartments. Every time the trio enters a new apartment, he comments on the style name/layout type. Why would have have had that much of an interest in the apartment styles unless he had to have insight for a break in or to design his own secret tunnel? He was an actor, not an architect, so the interest in layouts stands out as an unusual knowledge set to possess without it paying off later somehow.
Ok, I think I finally have a theory that makes sense!! ->What if Jan is not Theo's mom, but his aunt? Her sister, the flute player, was frustrated because she couldn't share her love for music with her son and left. Jan was only trying to dismiss the Dimas to save her nephew. If she lived on the same floor as them, she could've seen Theo arriving that night and realized it was him? If they threatened Tim in the hallway on their floor maybe she overheard? ->As to Will, we need to consider why a ring that was so important to Teddy is all of a sudden being sold around. When Zoe found it, it wasn't in a postal package or urn like the rest of the jewellery, it looked like it had sentimental value...maybe it belonged to Theo's mom. I think maybe they had to dispose of it, because it was evidence, and Will, who would've lived in the building back then, saw them dump it and sold it to get money for college. ->Tim finally found the ring, but, as we know, he was talking about a package being delayed on the phone. What if Bunny wasn't actually getting his mail, but Jan was, He lived in apartment 9A, and Jan in 6A, it could happen that someone reads it backwards and delivers his packages to Jan's. At some point she gets curious about why so many packages and opens the ring, she recognizes it and knows what it means. She replaces it for the engagement ring we saw and hands the package to Bunny because she's in charge. Think about it, if Tim had found the only ring he needed, why would he keep buying random jewelry? ->Tim decides to give Theo a heads up, since they knew each other (he refers to Teddy as Theo's daddy in the flashback) and he blames Teddy for his crimes (in the video from his phone he only mentions Teddy, not Theo because he knows it was an accident). Tim ends up getting poisoned. ->Jan sees him leave and wanting to protect her nephew goes in there, maybe thinking he's sleeping or something and shoots him. She could've easily hide a gun in her bassoon's case (and no one would suspect her taking her instrument with her if they thought there was a fire). ->The notes we saw in the trash were actually her attempts, if you notice, the handwriting is really close to the one from the notes on people's doors. Then decides to leave a note on the computer instead and throws the other ones away. ->As for the note on her door, I do think it was a different person. If you notice, it was the only one so far that wasn't written by hand. Maybe someone in Zoey's family? I find it kind of weird that they mention that her family owned the entire 11th floor and the only person we haven't met from the suspect board is the guy from the 11th floor. If my dead relative's friend was murdered and the other one was making a podcast on it, I would keep up with it. Maybe they've been following the whole thing and found it weird how quickly Jan got close to Charles and made the connection?
i like the fact that they may mess up the packages because steve martin complains about all the mail being delivered wrong on the A line all the time in the first or second episode
I think the killer might be Oscar, Firstly, why was he going up to meet tim kono on the day he died, while everyone where running down, what made him think that Tim might be in his room, especially when Tim had asthma and due to this, the tenants of the building couldn't Open the fireplace, he would've been the first one to run from a building when a fire alarm went off. Secondly Oscar came and told the trio that Tim had received the ring from cutter before he died(Tim died on 16 of jan), then why would Tim have a note to meet cutter on 31st Jan which is about 15 days after his death. I think Oscar has not met with cutter, but lied to mislead them and make them think the dimas killed TIM, I think Oscar is leading them towards the dimas's bcoz he wants the them to go to jail for what they did to her girlfriend, And the reason he killed TIM was bcoz of him oscar was in jail for 10 years and Zoe didn't get justice. Also the reason he didn't meet Mable the vary day he came out is bcoz he was busy killing Tim and then staying underground for a while, that's y his dad didn't allow Mable to meet him. Also have y'all noticed that when Mable met Oscar, he knew who Mable is hanging out wid(Oliver and Charles) it is bcoz he has been keeping an eye on them. The way Oscar followed Mable was also suspicious
That sex toy/cat toy Oliver found in episode 2 is not either! It appears to be a tool for cleaning musical instruments. Perhaps a bassoon?👀 Anyway I can't take credit for that one, a lovely rando on the OnlyMurdersHulu subreddit figured that one out.
The note on Jan’s door is written in all caps, just like the note on Oliver’s door, Lucy’s card to Charles, one of the suicide notes and also how Teddy Dimas texts.
The thing is Oliver's note was hand written and Jan's note was typed , which kinda means that it aint Teddy bcz he is careful about his next steps , while Teddy wasn't very careful and just wrote a letter not being afraid of his handwriting being recognized . I hope you get it
Hey, thanks for mentioning my comment! I'm pondering this today: what if Tim was hallucinating and/or delusional from the poison and actually DID shoot himself? Also, I'm wondering if Oscar was racing up the stairs to stop the shooter - his dad! Hmmm...
I'm now leaning towards Oliver. He keeps on dismissing any other theory (made by Jan) to focus on his conclusion. He also left the building at one point - "to get air," at which time he could have placed the "I'm Watching You," note. I think we could use the idea that was used for Teddy about keeping the podcast close to be able to control the findings. This could be his greatest theatrical release. I don't know how Jan's stabbing is involved, but can it be as simple as a "And There Were None" twist in which the killer faked their death.
Going off of your “faked their death” comment, I wonder about Howard’s supposed ability to fake passing out and if there is any relation in any way, shape, or form.
I think Oliver may have placed the note, but I don’t think he’s the killer. Oliver is theatrical, so I think he may have done some things to “raise the stakes” and maybe also keep his core trio as the main mystery solvers
Will knew of the friendship-connection of Mabel to Tim Kono and Zoey. Remember Will asked his dad & Charles why were they having Mabel being a part of the investigative podcast...when she had been a friend of the deceased Tim. Will also informed them that Zoey died from falling from the building. So he was very familiar with the quad of friends...from his time in the building. (Was he rejected from their friendship circle years ago?) The doorman may feel Will is close enough to be a "resident"... due to his association to Oliver.
I was just about to comment that. Like how exactly would he know that Mabel and Tim were friends if he wasn't associated with them at some point. Not to mention, given that he is a vet, he does have access to poison and euthanasia. Also, if we remember correctly his father's dog got poisoned. Which means the killer not only knew the door and floor that he lived at, but also was familiar with the dog enough to keep it from getting scared and running away from him. But my question is why?
Another thought: The person who left the note on Jan’s door was not the same person who stabbed her. Why would someone deliver a warning but then act so quickly before knowing if the warning had its desired effect or not? Evidently some time had passed between the time Jan received the note and when she was assaulted. There is a sack of groceries spilled on the floor next to her indicating that she had just returned from the market when she was attacked. It could be that Oliver left the note to shoo her off the case but she was attacked by someone else.
What if she was drugged? Every person (or pet) who has been drugged had a note on the door. I think the cat ate whatever Tim ate that was poisoned. And whoever is doing the poisoning has access to the apartments. Someone with keys who wouldn’t have been looked at as suspicious for going into any of the apartments. With Jan, I think she had been poisoned and it took time to get into her system. She went shopping and came bake as it really hit her causing loss of control and she collapsed in the floor. She could have caught her side on a corner or something to explain the blood. Having her be attacked is too obvious, it needs to shake up the pattern.
A couple things: 1. I still think Evelyn died by licking the poisoned blood 2. I think Lester and/or Ursula could be heavy suspects. There is gut milk everywhere, and Tim had alcohol on his system from the report. He could have drank poisoned gut milk. To Lester, why did he have Charles’ hat? Also, he is the only one who has seen the security footage the night of the fire alarm, so can we trust him when he says no one came in or out?
Just a thought : In the first episode, when the trio and Tim were in the elevator, Tim said about his packages that don’t arrive in his appartment, and the one who keeps records, etc is Ursula, and Mabel & Charles figure out that Tim’s package was in Bunny’s house, but I think that not by mistake, but maybe put there by Ursula, because Teddy and Theo were graverobing, Tim found about it and managed to get the stuff that was stolen, and Teddy found out, so there has to be something regarding this - Bunny and maybe Ursula who gave away to Oliver & Charles the records from the building regarding Tim, and at the memorial for Tim, almost none of the neighbours said anything nice about him, as if almost all were against him, and Ursula & Bunny wanted him portraited as a bad guy, but maybe there is some kind of understanding between the neighbours and Tim, possibly the thefts ? Also, there is the mistery regarding Charles ex and his daughter. Another one regarding Tim’s box - what if that was put there by someone intentionally ? There are many details in this series which makes us have different theories, and it keeps us in so much suspense until the last minute
I really wish this mystery is fair play but with only 2 episodes left I think we actually haven't met the killer I mean has anyone considered that we haven't met no one from the 11th floor? The whole 11th floor is owned by Zoe's family and yet we haven't met anyone that lives there, also why is no one talking about Oscar's dad? He's obviously upset with him. The who?: Oscar's dad The how: he's the super, he could've give him the poison when he went up there to fix something The why?: Because he cost his son 10 years in prison The why now?: Because he son was about to be released and he wanted revenge for his son
@@ChrisAtheist that's a possibility, I mean if a member of my family was murder in my building I would definitely wouldn't want to continue living there I think Oscar's dad has more chances of being the killer
@@Jillian_Paige hey that's a good question 🤔 I honestly don't have an answer to that that isn't speculation, I guess we need to wait and see for next episode 🤷
@@migueltellez7083 Let me know if you have any brilliant revelations, because that’s the only piece of his puzzle that’s missing for me. All of my top suspects have either missing pieces to their theory or ramifications that I think would be too difficult to come back from in Season 2. • Oscar’s father: Doesn’t connect to the green ring • Will: Is he really spending that much time around the Arconia unnoticed when he actually lives in Jersey - or does he have inside help? If so, who is it? And wouldn’t this destroy Oliver? • Cinda: (She was the first to arouse my suspicions, and I’d love for her to be more important than she seems - but she’s probably my flimsiest suspect.) Maybe she’s related to the Dimases and we just don’t know it (which would be her connection to the ring). Maybe Tim lost her money (she didn’t seem thrilled about being “acquired”). But like with Will, who is helping her in the building? Also, given her narration, does the timing even work out for her to be guilty (if she’s still recording podcasts a few months after Episode 4)? • I also really like the “Murder on the Orient Express”-style idea someone on here had - but which residents are involved, and how did they do it? Also, what does that mean for next season if you take out a bunch of residents this go-around? (Maybe they’ll expand to outside the building next season so that won’t matter?) I’m also stumped by all the suicide notes. Also, who is in the tie-dye hoodie in the opening flash forward, and when will that happen? These are all my half-theories and stumbling blocks so far. If they inspire any brilliant thoughts that I’m just not considering, let me know. :) Also, you mentioned speculation. I think there are important details we haven’t seen yet, so a little speculation to fill in the blanks may be all we have to go on if we actually try to solve this thing before they show us. :)
We know Will knew Tim and Mabel and how they hung out in the apt complex. What if he was somehow rejected from the main Hardy Boys crew. The left out 5th hardy boy? Idk.
My theory is it is Oscar because he has a clear motive that he was in jail for a few years because of Tim , and he kept changing his statements , for example when he first said that he didn't go up to see Tim but then he said he did. That may have been for them to not suspect him , plus the opening scene is Mabel sitting next to Oscar's body, what I think is Mabel got to know that Oscar murdered Tim and then she murdered Oscar in rage.
Oh, wow - you brought it back to my question! :) Although we know more now than we did when I originally posed it, your explanation got to the heart of what I was trying to ask…I think the way to solve this murder is going to be a combo of noticing clues, picking up on vague hints, and making the best guesses possible to fill in the blanks. (That last part is frustrating - but it’s also what keeps you thinking about the show!) Right now, I’m having trouble coming up with a satisfactory “who, how, why, and why now” myself. :( I think the person who comes closest to fitting the bill at this point is Oscar’s father, but I can’t connect him to the green ring. I do like the “Murder on the Orient Express”-style idea, as that may answer why there are multiple suicide notes (paper ones in different handwriting, plus one on the laptop) - a detail that has bugged me for weeks. I also think it may be possible that a building resident is working with / doing the dirty work for someone outside the building. That could connect the murder to Will, maybe Cinda, or any other suspicious character who isn’t technically a building resident. Another point in an outsider’s favor is I believe Charles said that Lester said “no one unknown to him” came in or out around the time of Tim’s murder. Could he consider someone “known” who doesn’t live there, but visits often and doesn’t seem suspicious to him? This especially works for Will, being Oliver’s son. (Although I find it difficult to believe Will would travel back and forth from Jersey to do ALL of this. That’s where a resident partner comes in.) You know Cinda was the first to rouse my suspicions, and I haven’t given up on her yet. :) The timeline’s had me stumped for a while - but I believe I’ve figured that out!… Episode 4 takes place on January 24th, according to Mabel’s phone. (She checks the date when she sees Tim has a meeting with GM on January 31st.) Cinda’s narration takes place “a few months from now” (with “now” being January 24th). If “a few” means 3, then we’re looking at sometime around April 24th (and her new podcast is “coming this Fall”). In this week’s episode (Episode 8), when Teddy show’s his phone to Theo so he can read the title of the latest podcast episode, the date on his phone is February 5th. So, if the murder is wrapped up soon - like, in a matter of days - she’s innocent (or wasn’t caught, which I doubt will be the case). BUT, if there’s a time jump (say, Mabel is framed and arrested - which stops the investigation and allows more time to pass before it’s truly solved), it could still be her! Who: Cinda, Who is her building connection doing the dirty work: Not sure…Arnav? (doubt it), Why & Why Now: Not sure…Maybe Tim lost all her money, too? And she is connected to someone in the building who really hates him - and they concoct this plot that would get him out of the way? Also, this is a totally random thought with no foreseeable connection, but: Could Cinda be related to the Dimas family? Tina Fey actually comes from a Greek heritage - and she and Nathan Lane look enough alike to be siblings, or some close relation. (There’s not enough details at this point to show how that would be justified or play out in the story, but it could be her connection to the green ring.) Are these wild ideas? Yes. But aren’t we left to wild ideas at this point? :) Also, “Yoko Jan” - that’s perfect! :) LOL!
I suspect someone who had a relationship with Tim. The original owner of the Green ring. And is close to Charles. Charles daily cooks omelettes for Lucy, we know this, as his neighbor Avnar mentioned "I love the smell" How? She lives in the building. Who would be 35 yo by now. And she still FaceTime with Avnars daughter. Her card to Charles, her handwriting matches the notes! Why? The jewels, the poison used to kill the elderly in the building. Taking over Teddys business? Why now? Waiting for Tim to return the ring.....
Thought I would list some of the visual continuity errors I've spotted in the series so far: 1. Post-it note floor numbers on the suspects' board. Howard Morris' apt # is shown as 8C, but we know he lives on the 3rd floor. Also, I think Uma's apt # (3F) is incorrect because in ep1 we see her entering the elevator at the 12th (Mabel's) floor, then chastises Charles for holding up the elevator. 2. In ep1, when "All Is Not OK in Oklahoma" starts, the camera pans the outside windows of Charles (14th floor), Mabel (12th floor) and Oliver (10th floor), all one floor apart, but Oliver's apartment is actually 2 floors down from Mabel. 3. When Tim first enters the elevator, he presses the left-most button, 3rd row from the top, which should be button #8, but when he exits, it's the 9th floor. 4. Charles’ hat seems to change colour from blue (beginning of ep1) to brown (ep1, corridor & roof top) and back to blue (ep5). However, it's possible this is not an error, and that he just has more than 1 hat in the same style but in different colours.
I think it’s oscar’s dad or maybe howard put poison in tim’s food but unfortunately his cat used to linger in his apartment and the cat ate it accidentally so his plan backfired and his cat died, oscar’s dad held a grudge against tim for keeping his mouth shut so i guess he came and shot him but little did he knew tim was already poisoned and was dead at the moment…
Based on these clues, Bunny is my main suspect: i. Tim’s packages have ended up in Bunny’s apartment on many occasions, which I don’t think is a coincidence. ii. In ep1, the opening credits easter egg is an “Easter Egg” in the arch above Bunny as she walks by. iii. In the opening credits, we see Bunny twice, walking a dog, at the start and at the end. With the exception of our trio, other characters are only seen once, including Oscar (walking down the stairwell) & Tim (in a window talking on the phone). iv. Bunny is walking Winnie, Oliver’s dog. This is a huge clue that something is amiss with this character! v. When the final episode of the podcast is dropped, 4 (suspect) characters are shown listening to it: Lester, Bunny, Uma and Will. I believe the killer will definitely follow the podcast; and is one of the characters shown. With Lester, Uma & Will, I can't come up with a good motive why they would want to kill Tim. v. (Update) I think the application of "Daddy's Little Helper" as a clue is two-fold, first identifying the father/son relationship of Teddy & Theo, and second, the identity of the killer in plain sight, i.e. Bunny at the start & end of the opening credits for every episode. And here are my "how, why, & why now" for Bunny: a. How: Invites Tim to pick up the package, and poisons him by offering him something to eat/drink. Follows Tim back to his apartment, then types the suicide note. Messages accomplice (Ursula or Uma) to pull the fire alarm, then shoots Tim. b. Why & Why now: Bribes Ursula to route Tim’s packages to her apartment since discovering that they contain jewellery, and she has been skimming some of it for herself. Discovers the emerald ring, which has great significance to Bunny (maybe her mom's?), and thinks Tim is responsible for its theft. Decides to kill Tim & reclaim the ring.
Is no one else suspicious of the doorman? He can walk around slipping notes on doors without it seeming out of place. Last episode showed him listening to the podcast while dropping off laundry. Also there was one time he brought Charles hat back, out of nowhere.
Ok, so, the doorman. He claims that no one entered the building during the fire alarm, but we know oscar got in, which means either the doorman was lying, or theres a way into the building he doesnt know about. This means anyone could've snuck into the archonia. I dont think its Will bc the show hasnt told us much about him. I think maybe the Dimases poisoned tim and set it up like a suicide with all the notes just like they speculated in the episode, but someone else came and shot him later. There are 2 murderers in the building, kind of like what Tina Fey's character said a while back. I think the person that shot tim could be jan, but it could be someone else. Also, maybe the dimases had nothing to do with it and maybe Howard is the one that poisoned tim. Either way, I'm excited to see how the series ends
Or Oscar entered shortly before the fire alarm? I didn't watch the last episode because In Europe there's no hulu and Disney+ gets each week one episode after the episode was the week before on Hulu (extremely stupid concept)
Hey also don’t forget that in episode 1 the first scene shows us a scene where Mable is on the floor with Oscar dead near her with blood on her shirt then she says “it’s not what it looks like” then it flashes to “two months earlier” which means all of this is happing 2 months prior
Train of thought here...please bear with me: Your theory about Teddy Dimas paying someone to shoot Tim Kono makes me wonder if Teddy made a deal with Oscar to kill Tim. As I think this through, it seems unlikely, but it makes me wonder if Teddy has contacts within the prison Oscar was in and was able to make a deal with Oscar that if he agrees to shoot Tim Kono he would get out of prison early... While it seems unlikely that Oscar had anything to do with Tim’s death, Teddy could have made a deal with Oscar’s FATHER, so if Oscar’s father agreed to kill Tim Kono, his son would be released from prison. Maybe this relates to someone intentionally not ordering a toxicology report or sending the phone. Teddy may have connections to a police officer related to the black market jewelry dealings. Do we know anyone else involved with the police? Also we still don’t know who Mabel’s aunt is or why she isn’t there, we don’t know the deal with Charles’ sister, his ex, or Lucy. On a side note, if we are to believe that Howard faked passing out, he was able to fake it very easily as though he may have had to do it in the past and had practiced. When else could have Howard had to fake passing out in an attempt to clear his name? OR perhaps he really did pass out and because of that, HE was the one who poisoned Tim but had someone else shoot him?
Thanks for bringing up the police tie-in! It definitely felt like a cover up in Ep 6, but there is a possibility that it just wasn’t seen as a priority based on the apparent suicide ruling. I lean toward conspiracy, but we are missing some information on who is connected to the police in our story. I think Kono would have had to have been murdered in advance of Oscar’s release in order for his dad to have committed the murder as a quid pro quo, but I do think he’s a valid suspect!
@@iamlively3910 Thanks! Yeah good point about the timing. That also confuses me. And I have been trying to figure out who is connected to the police! I can’t think of anyone (except the detective’s wife but that would be a reeeal stretch).
Also Howard has a phobia of blood which Charles thinks is fake acting but we know that Tim was also poisoned , plus the Spotify album of theirs has a track called Frozen Cat , which in my opinion hasn't been given much importance yet , but then why is there a track called Frozen Cat?
I wonder if there were two perpetrators. Why was Tim Kono poisoned AND shot? The poison alone would have been enough to make it look like suicide. Lots of people kill themselves by OD-ing on Seconal. It could be that someone poisoned Tim Kono then another perpetrator, not knowing that Tim was already dead, shot him.
or maybe the person who gave him the poison was not actually trying to kill him but rather sedate him for some reason....and the person who shot him had a different agenda altogether...
Maybe because the person knew that the police would find out that Tim was not prescribed Seconal and would have to launch an investigation as to how he got it? I think that if the same person were to poison and then shoot Tim it might be someone who knew that a toxicology report would not have been run...
I came here to say the same thing. I think they are clearly setting this up for there to be two murderers (or, technically, one murderer and one corpse abuser). I do not think the murderers were conspirators in any way. I also doubt it was any of the 3 leads because that would pretty much eliminate any chance at a season 2. (Of course, given Steve Martin's age and stardom, he may not care.) I do think Oliver put the note on Jan's door (but only because he wanted her to stop interfering with his podcast). Someone had a separate motive to silence her permanently, which is why she was killed.
Interesting theory! To play Devil's advocate:the police didn't send in the tox report - someone with influence intervened, so it seems like there was an agenda around hiding the fact that he was poisoned. Also, the detective said there was powder residue on Tim's hand. So, it seems like the shooting was staged to look like suicide. Maybe that's why he was given the Seconal? So, he was easy to manipulate? This would suggest either one killer, or two killers working in tandem.
If Bunny were Theo's mother, Oliver would have told us this already. He and Teddy Dimas go way back. So it's doubtful that Bunny and Theo are mother and son.
On re-watching the series, I noticed one thing- in second episode, in the flashback when Tim and Mabel meet for the first time, Mabel says that she lives with her aunt Salma, to which tim says " the lady in 12 A, I like her". Later in the same episode, Oliver and Charles go to pick up Mabel to check Tim's apartment before it is cleaned out. The letter "E" is there on the apartment door. Is it a continuity error or are we missing something? I feel like Mabel might be hiding something else just because of this. However I don't think she is the killer.
I didn't notice that maybe I need to rewatch it to And yes Mabel isn't the killer (except if she suffering from a mental illness which makes her forget) because she even made a video about her history and named it in case I am next. But it's important that we didn't see Mabel's aunt and that's she is away for a time? It would be a hell of a plot twist when Salma actually poisoned Tim or worse Mabels mother To poison him he needs to trust someone enough to accept stuff to eat or drink from them And he only would trust 4 people we know of Mabel, Mabel's aunt and Mabel's cousin and Mabel's mother Mabel's mother and aunt make perfect sense protecting Mabel's would both want more than anything He wouldn't trust theo and his father and anyone from Oscars and Zoe's family
I dont know if this has any baring on the case or if its an oversight in the writing or if its already been addressed. Here goes. When everyone gets in the lift in episode 1, Brazzos presses the 14th floor(notice there is no 13 on the elevator panel, this is an old superstition about the number 13 in old hotels/apartments etc) So, in fact Brazzos lives on the 13th floor. Directly underneath him is Mabel on the 12th(which she can be seen clearly pressing) Oliver presses the 10th floor. Now, in the opening animation credits its clearly shown that Oliver lives two floors underneath Mabel. However, in the cutscene of everyone during the Oaklahoma podcast, as the camera moves down externally from Brazzos' apartment it clearly shows Oliver now lives on the floor Directly underneath Mabel. Is this a production error? Has this ever been addressed in the Show? If Oliver actually lives on the 11th floor, why did he get off the 10th. What were in those packages he was carrying? That ginger cat can be seen on the same floor. Isn't that the floor the creepy cat guy lives on?
Yes, I believe it's a visual continuity error. And there are others: 1) the elevator button Tim pressed (button 8, left most 3 rows from the top) but the elevator opens on the 9th floor, 2) Howard's post-it note apt # show 8C but he lives on the 3rd floor, 3) Uma's post-it note apt # show 3F, but I believe she lives on the 12th floor (ep1 when she chastises Charles for holding up the elevator on Mabel's floor), 4) at times Charles' hat is blue and other times it's brown. However it may not be an error, as it's possible he has more than 1 hat in the same style but in different colours.
I have a theory regarding the death of Tim and The cat , Tim was poisoned before being shot and the cat was poisoned too . Observing how they gave a lot importance to "Gut Milk" for some reason , the poisoned liquid might've been the milk , Tim consumed it and may be fell down , the cat consumed it and maybe got poisoned and died too .
oliver and charles have been drinking gut milk but nothing ever happened to them... considering tim was in a financial loss he won't have money to waste on some random gut milk but the importance given to gut milk is a bit weird and it may be related to something
@@Adwoof Someone might've mixed something in it and offered to him as ordinary milk , bcz even the cat got poisoned just like tim . Anyways , i'm excited for todays episode
If Tim was killed by poisoning, it would take more than one person to stage his 'suicide' by gunshot: someone to hold the body upright, and someone to shoot him. The blood splatter on his apartment wall means that he had to be upright when he was shot in the face. No?
another why now for teddy could be that he was aware of oscars release and wanted to get rid of tim before they could talk because he knew tim would go to apologise and explain what he saw that night and why he had to blame oscar, maybe teddy knew that the two would have talked and then would have teamed up to expose teddy and theo. teddy could have seen oscars release as a threat for his son.
I love the idea of Bunny as the killer; cleaning up the Arconia of pesky cats that don’t stay in their own apartments, people who don’t pay their building fees, and maybe even people who play their instruments too loud (Jan). Poison is typically referred to as a woman’s method of murder, so Bunny as the poisoner is not so implausible…
Maybe Bunny clued in to Teddy and Theo’s scheme and was benefiting from it somehow. Since Tim was about to take them down and he was behind on payments, Bunny might have wanted to shut him up. Isn’t Bunny in the apartment beside Mabel? Their vents connect and a clip in the trailer shows Mabel finding something in a vent. So maybe there is a connection there!
Tim had to choose between letting Oliver be implicated in Zoe's death or exposing Theo in her death. Episode 7 did show Tim being threatened by Teddy but is there a connection between Tim and Theo that we don't know about? If Tim was scared by the threat why would he keep living in the same building for 10 years? If he was concerned for Mabel why would he lose touch with her for 10 years? Tim and Theo would have grown up together. Could Tim want the purloined ring that Zoe stole from Teddy/Theo to protect Theo?
I don't know why this just occurred to me watching this video, but that note that was sent to Jan could've been from Bunny. Bunny could have been watching her from the secret elevator! But that didn't deter Jan from everything else we find out about her, and couldn't Bunny try to find another way to stop her?... if she couldn't find a way to evict Jan without giving away her secrets (or the building's secrets) maybe evicting the trio was her way to try to save their lives. 🤷♀️
Bunny doesn't strike me as someone who would get her hands dirty, and one or both of these characters could be her accomplices: Ursula: a. May have a side-hustle mis-delivering Tim’s packages to Bunny’s apartment. b. Could have been hired by Bunny to pull the trigger after Tim died from the poison. She has access to all the apartments, and also knows Tim has a gun, according to Howard’s claim that Tim threatened to shoot Evelyn. c. Her “sea-witch” nickname given by Mabel could be a clue that she is not innocent. Uma: a. In ep1, Mabel overhears Bunny’s conversation on meeting friends over a “Caesar with balsamic”. Shortly after Bunny leaves, Uma also leaves, potentially to meet Bunny at the eatery. In ep8, Uma & Bunny are shown eating popcorn while listening to the final drop of the podcast, confirming their friendship. During the podcast, Uma raised her eyebrows at the mention of the gun going off; could she be the person who pulled the trigger instead of Ursula? b. She may have a prescription for seconal from Dr Grover Stanley (6th floor), to whom she may be client. She could have given some of it to her friend Bunny, to help her sleep. This would allow Bunny access to poison she does not own.
In the OMITB official teaser promo from way back in June, there's a shot of Mabel's partially finished mural, which I think contain clues to the identity of Tim's killer. So spoiler alert if you choose to look for the teaser.
I think Jan mentioned in an earlier episode that she had a rough falling out with a younger unnamed ex boyfriend that could be a possible why if she was referring to Tim but that’s all I could come up with
Thank you for these. I think your “fair play” points are true. There are some plot points that would really need two killers to work. Or it doesn’t work logically.
YES! you agree with me on Mabel and Tim having a relationship (she still haven't given back that engagement ring) and Charles fishy relationship timeline is just not adding up. I still think Oscar is involved in his murder hence Mable killing Oscar but in episode 8 we did see one of the podcast fans wearing a tye died hoodie so maybe it's him on the floor and not Oscar. I guess we will just have to wait and see
I don't think it will be Oliver's son. This show has been picked up for season 2. Can you see Oliver continuing to play detective on some new case if his son turns out to be a murderer? That is not going to happen.
For Zoë the why & why now ultimately was accidental with Zoë. She was in too much of a angry drunk mind state, then was embarrassed when Theo said, she deserves better and he would give her a real ring one day; when she quickly put him in check, stating she is the one who gives him sympathy not the other way around. That was the exact build up to the death of Zoë where she pushes Theo falling backwards drunkingly off the push back over the buildings edge to her death (weak death scene actually IMO). My main point is it can arguably be fair play as we learned about the ring Zoë had stolen from Teddy Dimas while Theo creepily watched literally through hole in the wall, also how the Dimas' run illegal jewelry trade business from grave robbing over a couple episodes. Essentially the why & why now is revealed, since the death of Zoë was an accident, thereby, the why & why now would not exist. The next best thing would be why did Theo go after Zoë the night she accidentally died which the accident only took place because she stole the ring and Teddy sent his son Theo to get it ASAP.
maybe jan killed tim to get revenge for zoe? she was talking about having a half-sister, which could be zoe, and even though she didn’t like her, she may have gotten revenge for her by killing tim. then again, she probably wouldn’t know that tim saw it happen, so it may be a bit far fetched.
I assumed the one who gave Tim poison, was not the same person who shot him. I guessed whoever shot him just didn't know he'd already been poisoned. He could have been poisoned but hadn't died from the poison yet, and actually died from the gunshot. I don't know if a toxicology report can tell which it actually was, other than who would poison him after he was shot? I like the Oliver theory, makes a lot of sense, plus he has the closest connection to the Dimases, and I think most people would overlook the Main Three
What if Tim Kono pulled the fire alarm because he smelled someone having a fire?!? They got into a fight and even though he was already poisoned they shot him. Not sure who is could be… maybe bird lady?
Some other observations from this episode: 1. I think the tie-dye hoodie victim from ep1 is Sam, the Putnut Arconiac fan. When Oliver asked him to play Tim in his re-enactment, Sam said "Dead, but literally ..." . Could this be foreshadowing his demise? I hope I'm wrong on this one because I thought Jaboukie Young-White was great as Sam and would love to see him return in season 2. 2. Seeing the Arconiacs remind the trio that Tim entered from the 6th floor made me think that Tim could possibly be seeing Dr Stanley, and the suicide notes could be part of his therapy to relieve anxiety? If Tim was getting drugs from the therapist, it could be another way he was poisoned. I don't know, wildly speculating here. Dr Stanley hasn't been seen in a while (since ep3?), so he's not high on my list of suspects. Still think it's Bunny + Ursula/Uma.
There’s gonna me multiple murderers, or rather, “attempted” murderers, a la Orient Express. I think every character we’ve met, everybody was going to try to kill Tim but only one was successful
Wow, interesting point about Will. This makes me wonder if Will played some part in this to put a stop to his dad’s desperation for money. I’m sure I’m far off with that but you’re making me actually consider Will as a suspect...hmm!!!!!
I have few theories, but since I lost my draft trying twice - I'm not gonna do this because most of my reaction is about the episode, not the theorising over the mystery. I do think that Howard's not the big-player though, he's just that pet-parent weirdo you meet IRL..
I recently remembered the incident when the doorman returned Charles’ lost hat. Do we know where/when he lost the hat? Maybe it’s like the rubber glove he dropped in the Dimas apartment in that it could have clued Bunny or someone else in that he was sneaking around.
I’ve been on “hat watch” myself. The last time we see Charles wearing his hat (before Lester returns it to him) is when he’s on the rooftop with Mabel at the end of Episode 1, opening the engagement ring package. Then the next time we see it is when Lester returns it to him in Episode 5. (Of course, that doesn’t mean he never wore at a time between Episode 1 and 5 that we didn’t see.)
@@Jillian_Paige Did you notice the colour of his hat was blue during the fire alarm, but changed to brown the next day when they on the rooftop, then back to blue again when Lester found it? Then, of course he could have more than 1 hat.
@@jt279 I didn’t notice - until you (or someone) mentioned it in another comment. :) I actually rewatched Episode 1 during lunch today, and I finally saw the difference. I didn’t think to do a “double hat watch” and see in which scene he wore each color, but I did catch that the one he wore on the rooftop is brown, not blue. Maybe he does have two hats, but it’s odd that he didn’t continue to wear the brown one while the blue one was lost. I’m glad you picked up on where he wore each one. :) Like so many details in this show, I’m not sure what this means (or if it means anything). But I hope there’s an answer to it (one hat or two, and when & where was it lost). If not, and it’s pointless, that’s awfully mean! :)
What about the therapist? He may have access to such drugs used to poison Tim. He also seems to be in dire need for money...since he is always advertising his services (at memorials, etc.) and how he accepts all kinds of payment sources. Also, those suicide notes found in the trash. Could he have written those notes to throw police off? Maybe Tim was a patient of his...since Tim's confession video showed him apologizing to Oscar. It seemed like he has been carrying this burden a long time and may have sought the convenience of an "in-house" therapist.
I think the suicide notes and the trash bag were theo’s, his character is clearly lonely and Tim might have taken it as evidence. I still think Oliver is our best suspect. He definitely had time to leave that note on jans door and could have done that to his own door and dog. He really wanted Jan to stop pointing elsewhere and he’s done that all along. I still think we will get an “Oliver twist” ending
My first thoughts about those hand written notes was that they were not written by Tim, but if that was the case, wouldn't Mabel have known it wasn't Tim's handwriting? I'm starting to think it was Tim who wrote those notes on earlier occasions, but decided not to see it through after getting a lead on the emerald ring from Cutter. The killer finds the notes, and re-creates it on the computer. As for the note on Jan's door, I think it's highly possible it was Oliver who did it, just to scare her but not to harm her. Jan may have gone investigating on her own that morning, witnessed something incriminating, which led to her stabbing.
@@lahleslie5251 I think it has something to do with money. There’s a lot of irony that Tim was in the same financial situation Oliver is in too. Maybe Tim lost Oliver’s money? Not sting? Maybe he opened a package to find the emerald ring, which could have been his ex wife’s (do we know if she is alive?). Maybe something stirred up for him and he confronted Tim. It’s also possible that somebody poisoned Tim and somebody different shot him. Idk just some thoughts…
@@gavinmillar7112 Oliver's ex is alive, because the son said his mom took his kids out when Oliver visited. Oliver does have money probs. But there's not enough to connect them.
Ok, I think I know what's going on. I think Ursula, the s we a witch has access to everything since she takes care of the mail. I think she has been blackmailing the tenants and threatened several of them to kill to. Bc he was so annoying to people. So, I think it is a multiple murder suspects. She wanted him dead and got more than one person to kill him one was the cat guy, he poisoned Tim and accidentally poisoned his own cat as well. The other was Jan, who shot Tim. I'm not sure why yet.
theo’s mother could be jan and she was trying to get them to look at other suspects so they won’t get into trouble. but if she left them, she wouldn’t have a reason to care about them anymore, so this may also be far-fetched.
Ok we have to think logical it’s not the big 3 . Since we already know their is a season 2 would not be Oliver’s son. It would make no sense . Other then he knew that that Madel hung out with Oscar and Will . Now let us not forgot a few things first Oscar has a brother that he gets confused for and his dad is the super of the building who would have a key to every room and have a great reason for revenge . Also who is the women Madel was standing over. It looked like a bigger women who could of been Bunny. Now it’s pretty sure Jan knows something. Plus we have not even mentioned any of Zoe’s family could Jan be connected to Zoe ? I think next week’s episode will get a lot of questions answered.
I think they may catch the killer of Tim or they may not, however I think the killer or a new will kill Oscar or person in the tie dye hoodie before the end of the last episode to set up the second season of the show.
Just watching these for the 1st time on ABC and I had it pegged from the dinner date scene (edited for name spoiler). Just like idk if you remember me but just like how I pegged magpie murders so early on. I should open a private detective agency. I'm good at this stuff lol
So, does Theo take the ring from Zoe, then Teddy sold the ring to someone, then it somehow get to that mysterious guy at bayport, then the ring reach Tim Kono, and now is missing?
Great question: I believe its like this: Someone dies. Theo takes the ring off the corpse. Teddy hawks the ring to black market dealers. The dealer sends it to a 'cutter' to reshape the jewel so people can't prove its a stolen gem. Tavo hooks Tim up with the cutter. The cutter goes back to the person whom he cut it for, and buys it for Tim.
Jan…why? She had a relationship with Tim…using bassoon cleaner as sex toy? Why now? She’s also sleeping with the therapist and using him to poison Tim, who left Jan for someone else, making her number 2? But then, who was that? It is hard to find a why now for her? Is she worried about the podcast? I do believe she stabbed herself or the doctor stabbed her and she left the note on her door. Why wouldn’t Jan also be trying to kill Tim’s other lover too? I am a bit confused here. And if she has a partner who poisoned Tim and she passionately shot Tim, who is the partner? There aren’t any clues I see, except for the doctor and what is his motive, other than being Jan’s lover? I know I am late to the game, but I just DVD-R Ed this off my cable.
Oscar is definitely involved ! Might be his dad ? Which would be in line with the father/son There’s in crime theme. We have the Dimas’ , Oliver and his sons relationship. And a third set a father and son on the show who barely even talk. Oscar and his dad
Thanks for the mention! Another thing that might be fun to solve, I’ve seen people mention that the time on the title card (the one that looks like a podcast player) may correspond to something - maybe a time something big happens?
@@DoublePMedia yeah it was your screengrab that made me think of it more! And another thing, is it Bunny and Winnie as the woman and dog walking in front of the Arconia in the starting sequence? The end of the season can’t come soon enough to answer my questions with certainty (but I hope we solve it all first!)
In response to your fair play comments for the audience to solve the death of Chloé I would say if the series intends to be "fair to play" it only applies to the main murder plot of TIM KONO.
I think we r going to find out exactly what happened to Jan next week. I think she was stabbed because if u look in the trailers Mabel finds a bloody knife in the vents. Maybe Jane came home & it was an ambush the person stabbed her then heard Charles coming through the door then the killer hid in the apartment & hid the knife in the vent then is either going to go through the vents to escape or a window because clearly they can’t use the front door.
What if Evelyn the Cat wasn't getting into people's apartments thru their window boxes, but thru their vents. Then Howard would have an excuse to go into people's apt to collect his cat.
Is Bunny Mable’s aunt? Cause when Tim and Mable met when they were little she said her aunt lives in the building - Salma Ramirez. Then Tim said that she knows her, she’s from 12A. Bunny lives in 12A. But why would she never mention it?
Our new video is up in 30 minutes, in it, we wonder if Bunny is Theo's granny? Teddy was obsessed with showing & talking about his family and ancestors. Is there a reason? We noticed that switcheroo between 12A and 12E too. But never thought of Aunt Bunny!
We have to remember the flash forward scenes with cinda canning and the very first shot of the season (Mabel standing over a dead body). Cinda saying “only murderers in the building” makes me think it’s someone who lives in the building.
I think she was referring to our trio (as murderers) because she said that they became the subject of her next investigation, so yes, because they all live in the building.
Why bother to investigate and bring attention to a closed case if you are the murderer? That makes the whole podcast sheer stupidity if you are Oliver, Mabel or Charles.
SO MANY CLUES POINT TO OLIVER - but why'd he take the Green Ring after killing Tim Kono? That's one missing link. Plus, he wasn't the woman-sounding screamer who visited Tim late at night. This is a puzzler!
@@DoublePMedia Excellent questions! But he could be the woman screamer. Martin short does some high pitched voices. Maybe he realized he accidentally killed Tim (with the poison) and then screamed? Idk about the ring except to hock it for $$. I just think there is a reason the cat was on his floor when he got off. A cat wouldn't be in that scene if it wasn't meaningful. They don't have animals in scenes unless it's needed. I think he accidentally killed the cat and poisoned his own dog bc the poison was in his apt. Also the "lonely" comment on the suicide notes. Oliver is Def lonely. His wife is gone. We saw her in that pitch scene for "splash". Again, if we weren't supposed to get a glimpse of her, she wouldn't have been in the scene. There was a reason she was in on that pitch meeting. Could his wife have been having an affair with Tim? 🤷♀️
@@DoublePMedia Or what if it's like a situation where several people in the bldg fit into the story? Like maybe the poison was Oliver meaning to kill himself? Then someone else comes along realizes Tim is dead and thinks they did it so they shoot him. ?? Also Tim got on the elevator from another floor and I think got off on 9 (his floor). So why did he take a trash bag from wherever to his apt? Oliver gets off next and he's on 10. The floor numbers are important. Where everyone is situated will matter, they mention it too often to not matter. The therapist is on 6.
@@MariaSwaid88 i think a major reason for it to be a series rather than a movie is that the viewers have to wait each week for a new episode like the fans in the show have to wait for a new podcast episode, it builds suspense and makes the show more immersive as we are creating our own theories after watching each episode like the fans are making their own theories after hearing each podcast episode
Except Steve Martin’s comedy gold. This show would be good even if the mystery isn’t fair play! What show are you guys watching? I agree it needs to be a series because then it gives people time to solve it. Now, I haven’t watched past season one, so having a new murder each season…which I am assuming from what little I have accidentally saw…not sure how long that can maintain momentum.
Speaking of father/son relationships, what about Oscar’s father seeking revenge for Tim’s 10 years of silence that lead to Oscar being falsely incarcerated? He lives on the 6th floor where Tim came from (apt 6B) and has access to everyone’s apartments as the Super.
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Ahhh please see my comment above!!! I will paste a part of it here:
Teddy could have made a deal with Oscar’s FATHER, so if Oscar’s father agreed to kill Tim Kono, his son would be released from prison.
Oscar's dad has good reason to be angry, but killing Tim after Oscar was released? Why now? I think Oscar's behavior is very off. He is pretty chill for someone wrongly convicted 10 years ago. He should have been going crazy when the Dimas story came to light. How is he not cursing out Tim and the Dimases? Either he has secrets yet to come or this is some poor writing for his character.
@@PluviophileTraveller Oscar was released because of his sentence was just 10 year's
@@LB-gz3ke Agreed. I think Tim might have contacted Oscar to apologize & discuss how they can take down Teddy when he secured the ring from Cutter. Oscar's reluctance to talk about the past is very reminiscent of Tim's reaction to Mabel, as they both want to protect her from Teddy.
One thought I overlooked earlier in the series is how knowledgeable Charles is about the layout/design style of everyone’s apartments. Every time the trio enters a new apartment, he comments on the style name/layout type. Why would have have had that much of an interest in the apartment styles unless he had to have insight for a break in or to design his own secret tunnel? He was an actor, not an architect, so the interest in layouts stands out as an unusual knowledge set to possess without it paying off later somehow.
I'm not a rail engineer, and I love trains!
Ok, I think I finally have a theory that makes sense!!
->What if Jan is not Theo's mom, but his aunt? Her sister, the flute player, was frustrated because she couldn't share her love for music with her son and left. Jan was only trying to dismiss the Dimas to save her nephew. If she lived on the same floor as them, she could've seen Theo arriving that night and realized it was him? If they threatened Tim in the hallway on their floor maybe she overheard?
->As to Will, we need to consider why a ring that was so important to Teddy is all of a sudden being sold around. When Zoe found it, it wasn't in a postal package or urn like the rest of the jewellery, it looked like it had sentimental value...maybe it belonged to Theo's mom. I think maybe they had to dispose of it, because it was evidence, and Will, who would've lived in the building back then, saw them dump it and sold it to get money for college.
->Tim finally found the ring, but, as we know, he was talking about a package being delayed on the phone. What if Bunny wasn't actually getting his mail, but Jan was, He lived in apartment 9A, and Jan in 6A, it could happen that someone reads it backwards and delivers his packages to Jan's. At some point she gets curious about why so many packages and opens the ring, she recognizes it and knows what it means. She replaces it for the engagement ring we saw and hands the package to Bunny because she's in charge. Think about it, if Tim had found the only ring he needed, why would he keep buying random jewelry?
->Tim decides to give Theo a heads up, since they knew each other (he refers to Teddy as Theo's daddy in the flashback) and he blames Teddy for his crimes (in the video from his phone he only mentions Teddy, not Theo because he knows it was an accident). Tim ends up getting poisoned.
->Jan sees him leave and wanting to protect her nephew goes in there, maybe thinking he's sleeping or something and shoots him. She could've easily hide a gun in her bassoon's case (and no one would suspect her taking her instrument with her if they thought there was a fire).
->The notes we saw in the trash were actually her attempts, if you notice, the handwriting is really close to the one from the notes on people's doors. Then decides to leave a note on the computer instead and throws the other ones away.
->As for the note on her door, I do think it was a different person. If you notice, it was the only one so far that wasn't written by hand. Maybe someone in Zoey's family? I find it kind of weird that they mention that her family owned the entire 11th floor and the only person we haven't met from the suspect board is the guy from the 11th floor. If my dead relative's friend was murdered and the other one was making a podcast on it, I would keep up with it. Maybe they've been following the whole thing and found it weird how quickly Jan got close to Charles and made the connection?
i like the fact that they may mess up the packages because steve martin complains about all the mail being delivered wrong on the A line all the time in the first or second episode
I think the killer might be Oscar, Firstly, why was he going up to meet tim kono on the day he died, while everyone where running down, what made him think that Tim might be in his room, especially when Tim had asthma and due to this, the tenants of the building couldn't Open the fireplace, he would've been the first one to run from a building when a fire alarm went off. Secondly Oscar came and told the trio that Tim had received the ring from cutter before he died(Tim died on 16 of jan), then why would Tim have a note to meet cutter on 31st Jan which is about 15 days after his death. I think Oscar has not met with cutter, but lied to mislead them and make them think the dimas killed TIM, I think Oscar is leading them towards the dimas's bcoz he wants the them to go to jail for what they did to her girlfriend, And the reason he killed TIM was bcoz of him oscar was in jail for 10 years and Zoe didn't get justice. Also the reason he didn't meet Mable the vary day he came out is bcoz he was busy killing Tim and then staying underground for a while, that's y his dad didn't allow Mable to meet him. Also have y'all noticed that when Mable met Oscar, he knew who Mable is hanging out wid(Oliver and Charles) it is bcoz he has been keeping an eye on them. The way Oscar followed Mable was also suspicious
Good Theory!
Yes!!! Those are some really good points
Noor, I've always doubted Oscar was involved, but you present a good case.
That sex toy/cat toy Oliver found in episode 2 is not either! It appears to be a tool for cleaning musical instruments. Perhaps a bassoon?👀 Anyway I can't take credit for that one, a lovely rando on the OnlyMurdersHulu subreddit figured that one out.
The note on Jan’s door is written in all caps, just like the note on Oliver’s door, Lucy’s card to Charles, one of the suicide notes and also how Teddy Dimas texts.
The thing is Oliver's note was hand written and Jan's note was typed , which kinda means that it aint Teddy bcz he is careful about his next steps , while Teddy wasn't very careful and just wrote a letter not being afraid of his handwriting being recognized . I hope you get it
Hey, thanks for mentioning my comment!
I'm pondering this today: what if Tim was hallucinating and/or delusional from the poison and actually DID shoot himself? Also, I'm wondering if Oscar was racing up the stairs to stop the shooter - his dad! Hmmm...
I do agree the Zoey mystery was more intriguing than Tim Kono’s death. We got to know more about her than Tim.
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I'm now leaning towards Oliver. He keeps on dismissing any other theory (made by Jan) to focus on his conclusion. He also left the building at one point - "to get air," at which time he could have placed the "I'm Watching You," note. I think we could use the idea that was used for Teddy about keeping the podcast close to be able to control the findings. This could be his greatest theatrical release. I don't know how Jan's stabbing is involved, but can it be as simple as a "And There Were None" twist in which the killer faked their death.
Going off of your “faked their death” comment, I wonder about Howard’s supposed ability to fake passing out and if there is any relation in any way, shape, or form.
I think Oliver may have placed the note, but I don’t think he’s the killer. Oliver is theatrical, so I think he may have done some things to “raise the stakes” and maybe also keep his core trio as the main mystery solvers
Will knew of the friendship-connection of Mabel to Tim Kono and Zoey.
Remember Will asked his dad & Charles why were they having Mabel being a part of the investigative podcast...when she had been a friend of the deceased Tim. Will also informed them that Zoey died from falling from the building.
So he was very familiar with the quad of friends...from his time in the building.
(Was he rejected from their friendship circle years ago?)
The doorman may feel Will is close enough to be a "resident"... due to his association to Oliver.
I was just about to comment that. Like how exactly would he know that Mabel and Tim were friends if he wasn't associated with them at some point. Not to mention, given that he is a vet, he does have access to poison and euthanasia. Also, if we remember correctly his father's dog got poisoned. Which means the killer not only knew the door and floor that he lived at, but also was familiar with the dog enough to keep it from getting scared and running away from him. But my question is why?
The therapist is on the 6th floor, so any of the suspects (like Uma) being on the 6th floor could be that they have appointments with the therapist.
Another thought: The person who left the note on Jan’s door was not the same person who stabbed her. Why would someone deliver a warning but then act so quickly before knowing if the warning had its desired effect or not? Evidently some time had passed between the time Jan received the note and when she was assaulted. There is a sack of groceries spilled on the floor next to her indicating that she had just returned from the market when she was attacked. It could be that Oliver left the note to shoo her off the case but she was attacked by someone else.
What if she was drugged? Every person (or pet) who has been drugged had a note on the door. I think the cat ate whatever Tim ate that was poisoned. And whoever is doing the poisoning has access to the apartments. Someone with keys who wouldn’t have been looked at as suspicious for going into any of the apartments. With Jan, I think she had been poisoned and it took time to get into her system. She went shopping and came bake as it really hit her causing loss of control and she collapsed in the floor. She could have caught her side on a corner or something to explain the blood. Having her be attacked is too obvious, it needs to shake up the pattern.
Jan could have put that note on her door.
A couple things:
1. I still think Evelyn died by licking the poisoned blood
2. I think Lester and/or Ursula could be heavy suspects. There is gut milk everywhere, and Tim had alcohol on his system from the report. He could have drank poisoned gut milk. To Lester, why did he have Charles’ hat? Also, he is the only one who has seen the security footage the night of the fire alarm, so can we trust him when he says no one came in or out?
Just a thought : In the first episode, when the trio and Tim were in the elevator, Tim said about his packages that don’t arrive in his appartment, and the one who keeps records, etc is Ursula, and Mabel & Charles figure out that Tim’s package was in Bunny’s house, but I think that not by mistake, but maybe put there by Ursula, because Teddy and Theo were graverobing, Tim found about it and managed to get the stuff that was stolen, and Teddy found out, so there has to be something regarding this - Bunny and maybe Ursula who gave away to Oliver & Charles the records from the building regarding Tim, and at the memorial for Tim, almost none of the neighbours said anything nice about him, as if almost all were against him, and Ursula & Bunny wanted him portraited as a bad guy, but maybe there is some kind of understanding between the neighbours and Tim, possibly the thefts ? Also, there is the mistery regarding Charles ex and his daughter. Another one regarding Tim’s box - what if that was put there by someone intentionally ? There are many details in this series which makes us have different theories, and it keeps us in so much suspense until the last minute
I really wish this mystery is fair play but with only 2 episodes left I think we actually haven't met the killer
I mean has anyone considered that we haven't met no one from the 11th floor? The whole 11th floor is owned by Zoe's family and yet we haven't met anyone that lives there, also why is no one talking about Oscar's dad? He's obviously upset with him.
The who?: Oscar's dad
The how: he's the super, he could've give him the poison when he went up there to fix something
The why?: Because he cost his son 10 years in prison
The why now?: Because he son was about to be released and he wanted revenge for his son
Maybe Zoe's family wasn't there anymore since her death?
Or they went on vacation?
@@ChrisAtheist that's a possibility, I mean if a member of my family was murder in my building I would definitely wouldn't want to continue living there
I think Oscar's dad has more chances of being the killer
I agree that Oscar’s dad makes so much sense, but how does he connect to the green ring? Or does he even need to?
@@Jillian_Paige hey that's a good question 🤔
I honestly don't have an answer to that that isn't speculation, I guess we need to wait and see for next episode 🤷
@@migueltellez7083 Let me know if you have any brilliant revelations, because that’s the only piece of his puzzle that’s missing for me.
All of my top suspects have either missing pieces to their theory or ramifications that I think would be too difficult to come back from in Season 2.
• Oscar’s father: Doesn’t connect to the green ring
• Will: Is he really spending that much time around the Arconia unnoticed when he actually lives in Jersey - or does he have inside help? If so, who is it? And wouldn’t this destroy Oliver?
• Cinda: (She was the first to arouse my suspicions, and I’d love for her to be more important than she seems - but she’s probably my flimsiest suspect.) Maybe she’s related to the Dimases and we just don’t know it (which would be her connection to the ring). Maybe Tim lost her money (she didn’t seem thrilled about being “acquired”). But like with Will, who is helping her in the building? Also, given her narration, does the timing even work out for her to be guilty (if she’s still recording podcasts a few months after Episode 4)?
• I also really like the “Murder on the Orient Express”-style idea someone on here had - but which residents are involved, and how did they do it? Also, what does that mean for next season if you take out a bunch of residents this go-around? (Maybe they’ll expand to outside the building next season so that won’t matter?)
I’m also stumped by all the suicide notes. Also, who is in the tie-dye hoodie in the opening flash forward, and when will that happen?
These are all my half-theories and stumbling blocks so far. If they inspire any brilliant thoughts that I’m just not considering, let me know. :)
Also, you mentioned speculation. I think there are important details we haven’t seen yet, so a little speculation to fill in the blanks may be all we have to go on if we actually try to solve this thing before they show us. :)
We know Will knew Tim and Mabel and how they hung out in the apt complex. What if he was somehow rejected from the main Hardy Boys crew. The left out 5th hardy boy? Idk.
Interesting!
My theory is it is Oscar because he has a clear motive that he was in jail for a few years because of Tim , and he kept changing his statements , for example when he first said that he didn't go up to see Tim but then he said he did. That may have been for them to not suspect him , plus the opening scene is Mabel sitting next to Oscar's body, what I think is Mabel got to know that Oscar murdered Tim and then she murdered Oscar in rage.
Oh, wow - you brought it back to my question! :) Although we know more now than we did when I originally posed it, your explanation got to the heart of what I was trying to ask…I think the way to solve this murder is going to be a combo of noticing clues, picking up on vague hints, and making the best guesses possible to fill in the blanks. (That last part is frustrating - but it’s also what keeps you thinking about the show!)
Right now, I’m having trouble coming up with a satisfactory “who, how, why, and why now” myself. :( I think the person who comes closest to fitting the bill at this point is Oscar’s father, but I can’t connect him to the green ring.
I do like the “Murder on the Orient Express”-style idea, as that may answer why there are multiple suicide notes (paper ones in different handwriting, plus one on the laptop) - a detail that has bugged me for weeks.
I also think it may be possible that a building resident is working with / doing the dirty work for someone outside the building. That could connect the murder to Will, maybe Cinda, or any other suspicious character who isn’t technically a building resident.
Another point in an outsider’s favor is I believe Charles said that Lester said “no one unknown to him” came in or out around the time of Tim’s murder. Could he consider someone “known” who doesn’t live there, but visits often and doesn’t seem suspicious to him? This especially works for Will, being Oliver’s son. (Although I find it difficult to believe Will would travel back and forth from Jersey to do ALL of this. That’s where a resident partner comes in.)
You know Cinda was the first to rouse my suspicions, and I haven’t given up on her yet. :) The timeline’s had me stumped for a while - but I believe I’ve figured that out!…
Episode 4 takes place on January 24th, according to Mabel’s phone. (She checks the date when she sees Tim has a meeting with GM on January 31st.) Cinda’s narration takes place “a few months from now” (with “now” being January 24th). If “a few” means 3, then we’re looking at sometime around April 24th (and her new podcast is “coming this Fall”).
In this week’s episode (Episode 8), when Teddy show’s his phone to Theo so he can read the title of the latest podcast episode, the date on his phone is February 5th. So, if the murder is wrapped up soon - like, in a matter of days - she’s innocent (or wasn’t caught, which I doubt will be the case). BUT, if there’s a time jump (say, Mabel is framed and arrested - which stops the investigation and allows more time to pass before it’s truly solved), it could still be her!
Who: Cinda, Who is her building connection doing the dirty work: Not sure…Arnav? (doubt it), Why & Why Now: Not sure…Maybe Tim lost all her money, too? And she is connected to someone in the building who really hates him - and they concoct this plot that would get him out of the way?
Also, this is a totally random thought with no foreseeable connection, but: Could Cinda be related to the Dimas family? Tina Fey actually comes from a Greek heritage - and she and Nathan Lane look enough alike to be siblings, or some close relation. (There’s not enough details at this point to show how that would be justified or play out in the story, but it could be her connection to the green ring.)
Are these wild ideas? Yes. But aren’t we left to wild ideas at this point? :)
Also, “Yoko Jan” - that’s perfect! :) LOL!
I suspect someone who had a relationship with Tim. The original owner of the Green ring.
And is close to Charles.
Charles daily cooks omelettes for Lucy, we know this, as his neighbor Avnar mentioned "I love the smell"
How? She lives in the building. Who would be 35 yo by now. And she still FaceTime with Avnars daughter.
Her card to Charles, her handwriting matches the notes!
Why? The jewels, the poison used to kill the elderly in the building. Taking over Teddys business?
Why now? Waiting for Tim to return the ring.....
....And she could also be Jan's half sister?
“Is that a good ‘shit, fuck fuck?’” That line was so dumb funny I was rolling🤣
Thought I would list some of the visual continuity errors I've spotted in the series so far:
1. Post-it note floor numbers on the suspects' board. Howard Morris' apt # is shown as 8C, but we know he lives on the 3rd floor. Also, I think Uma's apt # (3F) is incorrect because in ep1 we see her entering the elevator at the 12th (Mabel's) floor, then chastises Charles for holding up the elevator.
2. In ep1, when "All Is Not OK in Oklahoma" starts, the camera pans the outside windows of Charles (14th floor), Mabel (12th floor) and Oliver (10th floor), all one floor apart, but Oliver's apartment is actually 2 floors down from Mabel.
3. When Tim first enters the elevator, he presses the left-most button, 3rd row from the top, which should be button #8, but when he exits, it's the 9th floor.
4. Charles’ hat seems to change colour from blue (beginning of ep1) to brown (ep1, corridor & roof top) and back to blue (ep5). However, it's possible this is not an error, and that he just has more than 1 hat in the same style but in different colours.
Team everyone to be honest. They are all brilliant and I love their chemistry.
The best team to be on!
I think it’s oscar’s dad or maybe howard put poison in tim’s food but unfortunately his cat used to linger in his apartment and the cat ate it accidentally so his plan backfired and his cat died, oscar’s dad held a grudge against tim for keeping his mouth shut so i guess he came and shot him but little did he knew tim was already poisoned and was dead at the moment…
Based on these clues, Bunny is my main suspect:
i. Tim’s packages have ended up in Bunny’s apartment on many occasions, which I don’t think is a coincidence.
ii. In ep1, the opening credits easter egg is an “Easter Egg” in the arch above Bunny as she walks by.
iii. In the opening credits, we see Bunny twice, walking a dog, at the start and at the end. With the exception of our trio, other characters are only seen once, including Oscar (walking down the stairwell) & Tim (in a window talking on the phone).
iv. Bunny is walking Winnie, Oliver’s dog. This is a huge clue that something is amiss with this character!
v. When the final episode of the podcast is dropped, 4 (suspect) characters are shown listening to it: Lester, Bunny, Uma and Will. I believe the killer will definitely follow the podcast; and is one of the characters shown. With Lester, Uma & Will, I can't come up with a good motive why they would want to kill Tim.
v. (Update) I think the application of "Daddy's Little Helper" as a clue is two-fold, first identifying the father/son relationship of Teddy & Theo, and second, the identity of the killer in plain sight, i.e. Bunny at the start & end of the opening credits for every episode.
And here are my "how, why, & why now" for Bunny:
a. How: Invites Tim to pick up the package, and poisons him by offering him something to eat/drink. Follows Tim back to his apartment, then types the suicide note. Messages accomplice (Ursula or Uma) to pull the fire alarm, then shoots Tim.
b. Why & Why now: Bribes Ursula to route Tim’s packages to her apartment since discovering that they contain jewellery, and she has been skimming some of it for herself. Discovers the emerald ring, which has great significance to Bunny (maybe her mom's?), and thinks Tim is responsible for its theft. Decides to kill Tim & reclaim the ring.
Bunny is my number one suspect too!!
Is no one else suspicious of the doorman? He can walk around slipping notes on doors without it seeming out of place. Last episode showed him listening to the podcast while dropping off laundry. Also there was one time he brought Charles hat back, out of nowhere.
Ok, so, the doorman. He claims that no one entered the building during the fire alarm, but we know oscar got in, which means either the doorman was lying, or theres a way into the building he doesnt know about. This means anyone could've snuck into the archonia. I dont think its Will bc the show hasnt told us much about him. I think maybe the Dimases poisoned tim and set it up like a suicide with all the notes just like they speculated in the episode, but someone else came and shot him later. There are 2 murderers in the building, kind of like what Tina Fey's character said a while back. I think the person that shot tim could be jan, but it could be someone else. Also, maybe the dimases had nothing to do with it and maybe Howard is the one that poisoned tim. Either way, I'm excited to see how the series ends
Or Oscar entered shortly before the fire alarm?
I didn't watch the last episode because
In Europe there's no hulu and Disney+ gets each week one episode after the episode was the week before on Hulu (extremely stupid concept)
Hey also don’t forget that in episode 1 the first scene shows us a scene where Mable is on the floor with Oscar dead near her with blood on her shirt then she says “it’s not what it looks like” then it flashes to “two months earlier” which means all of this is happing 2 months prior
Train of thought here...please bear with me:
Your theory about Teddy Dimas paying someone to shoot Tim Kono makes me wonder if Teddy made a deal with Oscar to kill Tim. As I think this through, it seems unlikely, but it makes me wonder if Teddy has contacts within the prison Oscar was in and was able to make a deal with Oscar that if he agrees to shoot Tim Kono he would get out of prison early...
While it seems unlikely that Oscar had anything to do with Tim’s death, Teddy could have made a deal with Oscar’s FATHER, so if Oscar’s father agreed to kill Tim Kono, his son would be released from prison.
Maybe this relates to someone intentionally not ordering a toxicology report or sending the phone. Teddy may have connections to a police officer related to the black market jewelry dealings.
Do we know anyone else involved with the police?
Also we still don’t know who Mabel’s aunt is or why she isn’t there, we don’t know the deal with Charles’ sister, his ex, or Lucy.
On a side note, if we are to believe that Howard faked passing out, he was able to fake it very easily as though he may have had to do it in the past and had practiced. When else could have Howard had to fake passing out in an attempt to clear his name? OR perhaps he really did pass out and because of that, HE was the one who poisoned Tim but had someone else shoot him?
Thanks for bringing up the police tie-in! It definitely felt like a cover up in Ep 6, but there is a possibility that it just wasn’t seen as a priority based on the apparent suicide ruling. I lean toward conspiracy, but we are missing some information on who is connected to the police in our story.
I think Kono would have had to have been murdered in advance of Oscar’s release in order for his dad to have committed the murder as a quid pro quo, but I do think he’s a valid suspect!
@@iamlively3910 Thanks! Yeah good point about the timing. That also confuses me. And I have been trying to figure out who is connected to the police! I can’t think of anyone (except the detective’s wife but that would be a reeeal stretch).
So Jan was the passionate one?
So now I want to watch all the episodes over again for clues before the finale next week
Hell yeah!
Also Howard has a phobia of blood which Charles thinks is fake acting but we know that Tim was also poisoned , plus the Spotify album of theirs has a track called Frozen Cat , which in my opinion hasn't been given much importance yet , but then why is there a track called Frozen Cat?
I wonder if there were two perpetrators. Why was Tim Kono poisoned AND shot? The poison alone would have been enough to make it look like suicide. Lots of people kill themselves by OD-ing on Seconal. It could be that someone poisoned Tim Kono then another perpetrator, not knowing that Tim was already dead, shot him.
Wow that is a first! Interesting theory!
or maybe the person who gave him the poison was not actually trying to kill him but rather sedate him for some reason....and the person who shot him had a different agenda altogether...
Maybe because the person knew that the police would find out that Tim was not prescribed Seconal and would have to launch an investigation as to how he got it? I think that if the same person were to poison and then shoot Tim it might be someone who knew that a toxicology report would not have been run...
I came here to say the same thing. I think they are clearly setting this up for there to be two murderers (or, technically, one murderer and one corpse abuser). I do not think the murderers were conspirators in any way. I also doubt it was any of the 3 leads because that would pretty much eliminate any chance at a season 2. (Of course, given Steve Martin's age and stardom, he may not care.) I do think Oliver put the note on Jan's door (but only because he wanted her to stop interfering with his podcast). Someone had a separate motive to silence her permanently, which is why she was killed.
Interesting theory! To play Devil's advocate:the police didn't send in the tox report - someone with influence intervened, so it seems like there was an agenda around hiding the fact that he was poisoned. Also, the detective said there was powder residue on Tim's hand. So, it seems like the shooting was staged to look like suicide. Maybe that's why he was given the Seconal? So, he was easy to manipulate? This would suggest either one killer, or two killers working in tandem.
If Bunny were Theo's mother, Oliver would have told us this already. He and Teddy Dimas go way back. So it's doubtful that Bunny and Theo are mother and son.
On re-watching the series, I noticed one thing- in second episode, in the flashback when Tim and Mabel meet for the first time, Mabel says that she lives with her aunt Salma, to which tim says " the lady in 12 A, I like her". Later in the same episode, Oliver and Charles go to pick up Mabel to check Tim's apartment before it is cleaned out. The letter "E" is there on the apartment door. Is it a continuity error or are we missing something? I feel like Mabel might be hiding something else just because of this. However I don't think she is the killer.
I didn't notice that maybe I need to rewatch it to
And yes Mabel isn't the killer (except if she suffering from a mental illness which makes her forget) because she even made a video about her history and named it in case I am next.
But it's important that we didn't see Mabel's aunt and that's she is away for a time?
It would be a hell of a plot twist when Salma actually poisoned Tim or worse Mabels mother
To poison him he needs to trust someone enough to accept stuff to eat or drink from them
And he only would trust 4 people we know of
Mabel, Mabel's aunt and Mabel's cousin and Mabel's mother
Mabel's mother and aunt make perfect sense protecting Mabel's would both want more than anything
He wouldn't trust theo and his father and anyone from Oscars and Zoe's family
What young Tim said sounded more like 12E to me, but I can see how it could've been interpreted as 12A.
Subtitles actually say 12A, but the last time I watched, I could hear 12E. It’s almost an auditory trick, like the “Yani / Laurel” thing. ;)
I dont know if this has any baring on the case or if its an oversight in the writing or if its already been addressed. Here goes.
When everyone gets in the lift in episode 1, Brazzos presses the 14th floor(notice there is no 13 on the elevator panel, this is an old superstition about the number 13 in old hotels/apartments etc) So, in fact Brazzos lives on the 13th floor. Directly underneath him is Mabel on the 12th(which she can be seen clearly pressing) Oliver presses the 10th floor. Now, in the opening animation credits its clearly shown that Oliver lives two floors underneath Mabel. However, in the cutscene of everyone during the Oaklahoma podcast, as the camera moves down externally from Brazzos' apartment it clearly shows Oliver now lives on the floor Directly underneath Mabel.
Is this a production error? Has this ever been addressed in the Show?
If Oliver actually lives on the 11th floor, why did he get off the 10th. What were in those packages he was carrying? That ginger cat can be seen on the same floor. Isn't that the floor the creepy cat guy lives on?
Yes, I believe it's a visual continuity error. And there are others: 1) the elevator button Tim pressed (button 8, left most 3 rows from the top) but the elevator opens on the 9th floor, 2) Howard's post-it note apt # show 8C but he lives on the 3rd floor, 3) Uma's post-it note apt # show 3F, but I believe she lives on the 12th floor (ep1 when she chastises Charles for holding up the elevator on Mabel's floor), 4) at times Charles' hat is blue and other times it's brown. However it may not be an error, as it's possible he has more than 1 hat in the same style but in different colours.
I have no idea who the killer is, I still think is Dimas + Jan and Jan is either related to the Dimas or Theo's mom.
How about the secretary from the one woman who is a famous true crime podcaster?
I have a theory regarding the death of Tim and The cat , Tim was poisoned before being shot and the cat was poisoned too . Observing how they gave a lot importance to "Gut Milk" for some reason , the poisoned liquid might've been the milk , Tim consumed it and may be fell down , the cat consumed it and maybe got poisoned and died too .
oliver and charles have been drinking gut milk but nothing ever happened to them...
considering tim was in a financial loss he won't have money to waste on some random gut milk
but the importance given to gut milk is a bit weird and it may be related to something
@@Adwoof Someone might've mixed something in it and offered to him as ordinary milk , bcz even the cat got poisoned just like tim . Anyways , i'm excited for todays episode
If Tim was killed by poisoning, it would take more than one person to stage his 'suicide' by gunshot: someone to hold the body upright, and someone to shoot him. The blood splatter on his apartment wall means that he had to be upright when he was shot in the face. No?
While that's probably true, I don't think 2 people worked together to kill Tim.
Zoey didn't have a relationship with Theo. She only flirted with him. He liked her. When Theo ask for the ring back, Zoey got mad.
another why now for teddy could be that he was aware of oscars release and wanted to get rid of tim before they could talk because he knew tim would go to apologise and explain what he saw that night and why he had to blame oscar, maybe teddy knew that the two would have talked and then would have teamed up to expose teddy and theo. teddy could have seen oscars release as a threat for his son.
I love the idea of Bunny as the killer; cleaning up the Arconia of pesky cats that don’t stay in their own apartments, people who don’t pay their building fees, and maybe even people who play their instruments too loud (Jan). Poison is typically referred to as a woman’s method of murder, so Bunny as the poisoner is not so implausible…
What floor does Bunny live on?
@@CreaticityIsLife floor 13, A
I like this too. Hmmm...do any other facts point to Bunny? I need to rewatch for her specifically.
Maybe Bunny clued in to Teddy and Theo’s scheme and was benefiting from it somehow. Since Tim was about to take them down and he was behind on payments, Bunny might have wanted to shut him up. Isn’t Bunny in the apartment beside Mabel? Their vents connect and a clip in the trailer shows Mabel finding something in a vent. So maybe there is a connection there!
@@CreaticityIsLife Bunny is in 12A, Mabel is in 12E. I believe Uma is also on the 12th floor.
Tim had to choose between letting Oliver be implicated in Zoe's death or exposing Theo in her death. Episode 7 did show Tim being threatened by Teddy but is there a connection between Tim and Theo that we don't know about? If Tim was scared by the threat why would he keep living in the same building for 10 years? If he was concerned for Mabel why would he lose touch with her for 10 years? Tim and Theo would have grown up together. Could Tim want the purloined ring that Zoe stole from Teddy/Theo to protect Theo?
I don't know why this just occurred to me watching this video, but that note that was sent to Jan could've been from Bunny. Bunny could have been watching her from the secret elevator!
But that didn't deter Jan from everything else we find out about her, and couldn't Bunny try to find another way to stop her?... if she couldn't find a way to evict Jan without giving away her secrets (or the building's secrets) maybe evicting the trio was her way to try to save their lives. 🤷♀️
Bunny doesn't strike me as someone who would get her hands dirty, and one or both of these characters could be her accomplices:
Ursula:
a. May have a side-hustle mis-delivering Tim’s packages to Bunny’s apartment.
b. Could have been hired by Bunny to pull the trigger after Tim died from the poison. She has access to all the apartments, and also knows Tim has a gun, according to Howard’s claim that Tim threatened to shoot Evelyn.
c. Her “sea-witch” nickname given by Mabel could be a clue that she is not innocent.
Uma:
a. In ep1, Mabel overhears Bunny’s conversation on meeting friends over a “Caesar with balsamic”. Shortly after Bunny leaves, Uma also leaves, potentially to meet Bunny at the eatery. In ep8, Uma & Bunny are shown eating popcorn while listening to the final drop of the podcast, confirming their friendship. During the podcast, Uma raised her eyebrows at the mention of the gun going off; could she be the person who pulled the trigger instead of Ursula?
b. She may have a prescription for seconal from Dr Grover Stanley (6th floor), to whom she may be client. She could have given some of it to her friend Bunny, to help her sleep. This would allow Bunny access to poison she does not own.
In the OMITB official teaser promo from way back in June, there's a shot of Mabel's partially finished mural, which I think contain clues to the identity of Tim's killer. So spoiler alert if you choose to look for the teaser.
If it was Will I would riot. That's not fair. Would destroy Oliver & Also we don't know much about him
This is exactly why it won't be Will. How could Oliver come back in season 2 happily playing detective if Will is a murder? He can't.
I think Jan mentioned in an earlier episode that she had a rough falling out with a younger unnamed ex boyfriend that could be a possible why if she was referring to Tim but that’s all I could come up with
u were right
No one poison Evelyn the cat. The cat likely ate the same thing Tim ate.
You are heads and shoulders above us in slueth skills.
Thanks for saying that, but I will do anything to not focus on my 'real' work :)
Thank you for these. I think your “fair play” points are true. There are some plot points that would really need two killers to work. Or it doesn’t work logically.
Will did have a huge smirk on his face when he was listening to the podcast and they were saying it was the Dimases...
Who?
True.
@@tisthedamnphd1244 Oliver's son..the veterinarian, Will
YES! you agree with me on Mabel and Tim having a relationship (she still haven't given back that engagement ring) and Charles fishy relationship timeline is just not adding up. I still think Oscar is involved in his murder hence Mable killing Oscar but in episode 8 we did see one of the podcast fans wearing a tye died hoodie so maybe it's him on the floor and not Oscar. I guess we will just have to wait and see
I don't think it will be Oliver's son. This show has been picked up for season 2. Can you see Oliver continuing to play detective on some new case if his son turns out to be a murderer? That is not going to happen.
For Zoë the why & why now ultimately was accidental with Zoë. She was in too much of a angry drunk mind state, then was embarrassed when Theo said, she deserves better and he would give her a real ring one day; when she quickly put him in check, stating she is the one who gives him sympathy not the other way around. That was the exact build up to the death of Zoë where she pushes Theo falling backwards drunkingly off the push back over the buildings edge to her death (weak death scene actually IMO). My main point is it can arguably be fair play as we learned about the ring Zoë had stolen from Teddy Dimas while Theo creepily watched literally through hole in the wall, also how the Dimas' run illegal jewelry trade business from grave robbing over a couple episodes. Essentially the why & why now is revealed, since the death of Zoë was an accident, thereby, the why & why now would not exist. The next best thing would be why did Theo go after Zoë the night she accidentally died which the accident only took place because she stole the ring and Teddy sent his son Theo to get it ASAP.
maybe jan killed tim to get revenge for zoe? she was talking about having a half-sister, which could be zoe, and even though she didn’t like her, she may have gotten revenge for her by killing tim. then again, she probably wouldn’t know that tim saw it happen, so it may be a bit far fetched.
That's what im thinking after episode 9's clue
I assumed the one who gave Tim poison, was not the same person who shot him. I guessed whoever shot him just didn't know he'd already been poisoned. He could have been poisoned but hadn't died from the poison yet, and actually died from the gunshot. I don't know if a toxicology report can tell which it actually was, other than who would poison him after he was shot? I like the Oliver theory, makes a lot of sense, plus he has the closest connection to the Dimases, and I think most people would overlook the Main Three
Maybe the Dimases poisoned Tim earlier, but were outside, as we saw, when someone else shot him...
What if Tim Kono pulled the fire alarm because he smelled someone having a fire?!? They got into a fight and even though he was already poisoned they shot him. Not sure who is could be… maybe bird lady?
Omg!?!? I just got to the part where Oliver put on the fire! Is the alarm his fault?
Some other observations from this episode:
1. I think the tie-dye hoodie victim from ep1 is Sam, the Putnut Arconiac fan. When Oliver asked him to play Tim in his re-enactment, Sam said "Dead, but literally ..." . Could this be foreshadowing his demise? I hope I'm wrong on this one because I thought Jaboukie Young-White was great as Sam and would love to see him return in season 2.
2. Seeing the Arconiacs remind the trio that Tim entered from the 6th floor made me think that Tim could possibly be seeing Dr Stanley, and the suicide notes could be part of his therapy to relieve anxiety? If Tim was getting drugs from the therapist, it could be another way he was poisoned. I don't know, wildly speculating here. Dr Stanley hasn't been seen in a while (since ep3?), so he's not high on my list of suspects. Still think it's Bunny + Ursula/Uma.
They’ve never mentioned Uma’s name on the show. Doubtful it will be our favorite ‘bird lady’
@@DoublePMedia That's true. But that shot of her raising her eyebrows at the mention of the gunshot makes me suspect she's somehow involved.
There’s gonna me multiple murderers, or rather, “attempted” murderers, a la Orient Express. I think every character we’ve met, everybody was going to try to kill Tim but only one was successful
Wow, interesting point about Will. This makes me wonder if Will played some part in this to put a stop to his dad’s desperation for money. I’m sure I’m far off with that but you’re making me actually consider Will as a suspect...hmm!!!!!
I have few theories, but since I lost my draft trying twice - I'm not gonna do this because most of my reaction is about the episode, not the theorising over the mystery. I do think that Howard's not the big-player though, he's just that pet-parent weirdo you meet IRL..
I recently remembered the incident when the doorman returned Charles’ lost hat. Do we know where/when he lost the hat? Maybe it’s like the rubber glove he dropped in the Dimas apartment in that it could have clued Bunny or someone else in that he was sneaking around.
I’ve been on “hat watch” myself. The last time we see Charles wearing his hat (before Lester returns it to him) is when he’s on the rooftop with Mabel at the end of Episode 1, opening the engagement ring package. Then the next time we see it is when Lester returns it to him in Episode 5. (Of course, that doesn’t mean he never wore at a time between Episode 1 and 5 that we didn’t see.)
@@Jillian_Paige Did you notice the colour of his hat was blue during the fire alarm, but changed to brown the next day when they on the rooftop, then back to blue again when Lester found it? Then, of course he could have more than 1 hat.
@@jt279 I didn’t notice - until you (or someone) mentioned it in another comment. :) I actually rewatched Episode 1 during lunch today, and I finally saw the difference. I didn’t think to do a “double hat watch” and see in which scene he wore each color, but I did catch that the one he wore on the rooftop is brown, not blue. Maybe he does have two hats, but it’s odd that he didn’t continue to wear the brown one while the blue one was lost. I’m glad you picked up on where he wore each one. :)
Like so many details in this show, I’m not sure what this means (or if it means anything). But I hope there’s an answer to it (one hat or two, and when & where was it lost). If not, and it’s pointless, that’s awfully mean! :)
What about the therapist?
He may have access to such drugs used to poison Tim. He also seems to be in dire need for money...since he is always advertising his services (at memorials, etc.) and how he accepts all kinds of payment sources.
Also, those suicide notes found in the trash. Could he have written those notes to throw police off?
Maybe Tim was a patient of his...since Tim's confession video showed him apologizing to Oscar. It seemed like he has been carrying this burden a long time and may have sought the convenience of an "in-house" therapist.
I think the suicide notes and the trash bag were theo’s, his character is clearly lonely and Tim might have taken it as evidence. I still think Oliver is our best suspect. He definitely had time to leave that note on jans door and could have done that to his own door and dog. He really wanted Jan to stop pointing elsewhere and he’s done that all along. I still think we will get an “Oliver twist” ending
My first thoughts about those hand written notes was that they were not written by Tim, but if that was the case, wouldn't Mabel have known it wasn't Tim's handwriting? I'm starting to think it was Tim who wrote those notes on earlier occasions, but decided not to see it through after getting a lead on the emerald ring from Cutter. The killer finds the notes, and re-creates it on the computer. As for the note on Jan's door, I think it's highly possible it was Oliver who did it, just to scare her but not to harm her. Jan may have gone investigating on her own that morning, witnessed something incriminating, which led to her stabbing.
@@jt279 Oliver being sus makes 100% sense
But why would Oliver want to Kill Tim?
@@lahleslie5251 I think it has something to do with money. There’s a lot of irony that Tim was in the same financial situation Oliver is in too. Maybe Tim lost Oliver’s money? Not sting? Maybe he opened a package to find the emerald ring, which could have been his ex wife’s (do we know if she is alive?). Maybe something stirred up for him and he confronted Tim. It’s also possible that somebody poisoned Tim and somebody different shot him. Idk just some thoughts…
@@gavinmillar7112 Oliver's ex is alive, because the son said his mom took his kids out when Oliver visited. Oliver does have money probs. But there's not enough to connect them.
Ok, I think I know what's going on. I think Ursula, the s we a witch has access to everything since she takes care of the mail. I think she has been blackmailing the tenants and threatened several of them to kill to. Bc he was so annoying to people. So, I think it is a multiple murder suspects. She wanted him dead and got more than one person to kill him one was the cat guy, he poisoned Tim and accidentally poisoned his own cat as well. The other was Jan, who shot Tim. I'm not sure why yet.
theo’s mother could be jan and she was trying to get them to look at other suspects so they won’t get into trouble. but if she left them, she wouldn’t have a reason to care about them anymore, so this may also be far-fetched.
but oliver knew the dimases for a long time so if she was his mother oliver would've known
@@Adwoof ohhh true
Holly from The Office is Jan in OMITB
Interesting
Grover Stanley lives on the 6th floor. Mable lives on 12. It couldn't have been Mabel making the noise the Grover was complaining about. No?
Ok we have to think logical it’s not the big 3 . Since we already know their is a season 2 would not be Oliver’s son. It would make no sense . Other then he knew that that Madel hung out with Oscar and Will . Now let us not forgot a few things first Oscar has a brother that he gets confused for and his dad is the super of the building who would have a key to every room and have a great reason for revenge . Also who is the women Madel was standing over. It looked like a bigger women who could of been Bunny. Now it’s pretty sure Jan knows something. Plus we have not even mentioned any of Zoe’s family could Jan be connected to Zoe ? I think next week’s episode will get a lot of questions answered.
Don't forget that, Oliver never locks his door.
I think they may catch the killer of Tim or they may not, however I think the killer or a new will kill Oscar or person in the tie dye hoodie before the end of the last episode to set up the second season of the show.
Just watching these for the 1st time on ABC and I had it pegged from the dinner date scene (edited for name spoiler). Just like idk if you remember me but just like how I pegged magpie murders so early on. I should open a private detective agency. I'm good at this stuff lol
Everywhere I look on TV, there's evil killers. We need you on the case?
@DoublePMedia I'm here for you brother
@@DoublePMedia what upcoming shows are you getting into right now? I'd love to contribute in some way for shows we both watch!
@DoublePMedia we just finished binging seasons 1-5 of unforgotten, you know of it?
@@MrFaceNumeroUno Thought about doing DEATH AND OTHER DETAILS but I'm sick right now and may not be able to tackle it.
So, does Theo take the ring from Zoe, then Teddy sold the ring to someone, then it somehow get to that mysterious guy at bayport, then the ring reach Tim Kono, and now is missing?
Great question: I believe its like this: Someone dies. Theo takes the ring off the corpse. Teddy hawks the ring to black market dealers. The dealer sends it to a 'cutter' to reshape the jewel so people can't prove its a stolen gem. Tavo hooks Tim up with the cutter. The cutter goes back to the person whom he cut it for, and buys it for Tim.
Jan…why? She had a relationship with Tim…using bassoon cleaner as sex toy? Why now? She’s also sleeping with the therapist and using him to poison Tim, who left Jan for someone else, making her number 2? But then, who was that? It is hard to find a why now for her? Is she worried about the podcast? I do believe she stabbed herself or the doctor stabbed her and she left the note on her door. Why wouldn’t Jan also be trying to kill Tim’s other lover too? I am a bit confused here. And if she has a partner who poisoned Tim and she passionately shot Tim, who is the partner? There aren’t any clues I see, except for the doctor and what is his motive, other than being Jan’s lover? I know I am late to the game, but I just DVD-R Ed this off my cable.
Love triangle between Tim, the bass on lady and Oscar
Age is just a number :)
Oscar is definitely involved ! Might be his dad ? Which would be in line with the father/son There’s in crime theme. We have the Dimas’ , Oliver and his sons relationship. And a third set a father and son on the show who barely even talk. Oscar and his dad
Partners in crime **
Thanks for the mention! Another thing that might be fun to solve, I’ve seen people mention that the time on the title card (the one that looks like a podcast player) may correspond to something - maybe a time something big happens?
Thought about that as I was creating the screen grab: If 3 is the third letter C... :)
@@DoublePMedia yeah it was your screengrab that made me think of it more! And another thing, is it Bunny and Winnie as the woman and dog walking in front of the Arconia in the starting sequence? The end of the season can’t come soon enough to answer my questions with certainty (but I hope we solve it all first!)
In response to your fair play comments for the audience to solve the death of Chloé I would say if the series intends to be "fair to play" it only applies to the main murder plot of TIM KONO.
I think we r going to find out exactly what happened to Jan next week. I think she was stabbed because if u look in the trailers Mabel finds a bloody knife in the vents. Maybe Jane came home & it was an ambush the person stabbed her then heard Charles coming through the door then the killer hid in the apartment & hid the knife in the vent then is either going to go through the vents to escape or a window because clearly they can’t use the front door.
What if Evelyn the Cat wasn't getting into people's apartments thru their window boxes, but thru their vents. Then Howard would have an excuse to go into people's apt to collect his cat.
Is Bunny Mable’s aunt? Cause when Tim and Mable met when they were little she said her aunt lives in the building - Salma Ramirez. Then Tim said that she knows her, she’s from 12A. Bunny lives in 12A. But why would she never mention it?
Our new video is up in 30 minutes, in it, we wonder if Bunny is Theo's granny? Teddy was obsessed with showing & talking about his family and ancestors. Is there a reason? We noticed that switcheroo between 12A and 12E too. But never thought of Aunt Bunny!
One thing is that will told that he knew Mabel Oscar Zoe Kim those years so he knows them
I’m just here for the jokes and the jokes were great in this episode
Jokes in the podcast or on the show -- the jokes on this podcast were as weak as Jan's pizza rolls!
@@DoublePMedia They go well with gut milk
But if Tim was poison, who shot him, and why? I am very suspicious of Oscar, and his father.
We have to remember the flash forward scenes with cinda canning and the very first shot of the season (Mabel standing over a dead body). Cinda saying “only murderers in the building” makes me think it’s someone who lives in the building.
I think she was referring to our trio (as murderers) because she said that they became the subject of her next investigation, so yes, because they all live in the building.
@@jt279 yes if it’s 2 months in the future, she knows who did it right?
Could it be all the suspects like murder in the express train
Let's go! Are you implying that Oliver or Mabel are the most likely killer?
Why bother to investigate and bring attention to a closed case if you are the murderer? That makes the whole podcast sheer stupidity if you are Oliver, Mabel or Charles.
Will? Oliver? Lucy? 🤔🤔🤔
Mabel's mom is Cutter.
Why is Oscar wearing a similar suit to Tim Kono in episode 9? Hmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔
Great Catch!!!
What if Jan is Theo mom. That would be why she didn’t Teddy and Theo involved
I thought about that... but she was so quick to tell Mabel & Oliver that Theo had pushed Zoe off the roof.
It's Oliver. IMO. 🤷♀️
SO MANY CLUES POINT TO OLIVER - but why'd he take the Green Ring after killing Tim Kono? That's one missing link. Plus, he wasn't the woman-sounding screamer who visited Tim late at night. This is a puzzler!
@@DoublePMedia Excellent questions! But he could be the woman screamer. Martin short does some high pitched voices. Maybe he realized he accidentally killed Tim (with the poison) and then screamed? Idk about the ring except to hock it for $$. I just think there is a reason the cat was on his floor when he got off. A cat wouldn't be in that scene if it wasn't meaningful. They don't have animals in scenes unless it's needed. I think he accidentally killed the cat and poisoned his own dog bc the poison was in his apt. Also the "lonely" comment on the suicide notes. Oliver is Def lonely. His wife is gone. We saw her in that pitch scene for "splash". Again, if we weren't supposed to get a glimpse of her, she wouldn't have been in the scene. There was a reason she was in on that pitch meeting. Could his wife have been having an affair with Tim? 🤷♀️
@@DoublePMedia Or what if it's like a situation where several people in the bldg fit into the story? Like maybe the poison was Oliver meaning to kill himself? Then someone else comes along realizes Tim is dead and thinks they did it so they shoot him. ?? Also Tim got on the elevator from another floor and I think got off on 9 (his floor). So why did he take a trash bag from wherever to his apt? Oliver gets off next and he's on 10. The floor numbers are important. Where everyone is situated will matter, they mention it too often to not matter. The therapist is on 6.
Could Jan be the mother of Theo
Oscar ;(
Well poison is used mostly by woman as a murder weapon than men
It was also used in the middle ages by Men to kill kings
No, Tim didn't lose Oliver's money, Oli did it was him who told the swimmers to just dive.
is it me or the series is getting boring? it's too slow and almost nothing happens in 30 minutes..
Having to "start over" in the hunt for Tim's killer is tough, but I still love it
@@nulltestchannelnulltestcha7252 it should have been a movie not a series... sigh
Yeah honestly I feel the same
@@MariaSwaid88 i think a major reason for it to be a series rather than a movie is that the viewers have to wait each week for a new episode like the fans in the show have to wait for a new podcast episode, it builds suspense and makes the show more immersive as we are creating our own theories after watching each episode like the fans are making their own theories after hearing each podcast episode
Except Steve Martin’s comedy gold. This show would be good even if the mystery isn’t fair play! What show are you guys watching? I agree it needs to be a series because then it gives people time to solve it. Now, I haven’t watched past season one, so having a new murder each season…which I am assuming from what little I have accidentally saw…not sure how long that can maintain momentum.