KINGPIN was Right (and the Oscar Slap Proves It!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2022
- When I watched Will Smith slap Chris Rock at the Oscars, I realized what we were all thinking--that Kingpin was right. Vincent D'Onofrio gave us one of the MCU's most nuanced villains with Wilson Fisk: AKA The Kingpin. The character is flawed, relatable--and ultimately, he had some noble goals. IN this video, we break down why he was right--and all of the similarities between him and his arch-enemy, Daredevil.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Sean Martin with Harriet Lengel-Enright
#Kingpin #BornAgain
So first, I have to talk about why Wilson Fisk is so different from every other villain in the MCU. Marvel has given us a lot of terrible villains, and a few great ones. And all the great ones had the same thing in common: relatability. We may not agree with their means, but we empathize with their goals.
Of all the villains, Wilson Fisk is the most….human. Vincent D'Onofrio once described him in 3 words: ``Monster and child.” It’s often said that when a child experiences trauma, they never mature past that age-and you can see that with Wilson. He’s shy, nervous. He always avoids eye contact in social situations…heck, I bet he would be a ScreenCrush subscriber. Add on a goatee and a Deadpool tee shirt and we could see the guy at cons.
He’s also very polite. Always saying please, always giving respect to the people in polite society. He’s exceptionally gentle with Vanessa.
Most of the time, when villains are being bad, they seem to really enjoy it. Heck, Palpatine seemed to get off on it. But for Fisk, he’s always holding back the evil inside him. But D’Onofrio still manifests this anger with his physicality, his twitch, the way he rings his hands.
You get the feeling that this is a man who spends every moment trying to be good, but the world just wants him to be bad.
But mostly, we can relate to his end goal. He doesn’t want money, or a criminal empire. He wants to fix his city.
He wants to make New York beautiful and clean. And he’s willing to get dirty to make this dream come true. He is capable of great cruelty. In that way, he’s a lot like Matt Murdock.
Both boys were very smart, were bullied, and frew up in hell’s kitchen. Matt’s family life was also affected by organized crime, and they both lost their dads to violence and were raised by their mothers. And both made a promise to eradicate the evil that corrupted their childhoods.
But mostly, they both hurt people-but Matt Murdock enjoys beating people up. Wilson also loves using violence- but he hates that he loves it.
Mostly, we can identify with Wilson because he does not want to rule. He’s no Marlo, he doesn’t care about the crown. He gathers power because he needs the tools to accomplish his goals.
Just to recap, in Season 1 of Daredevil, Wilson is working with 4 other interests to rebuild Hell’s Kitchen after the battle of New York. Which is kind of silly because Hell’s kitchen is here, and the battle was here, but whatever. He teams up with these gangsters to rebuild.
He insists that they all split the revenue equally, 5 ways. Even in his later appearances, he doesn't consolidate power for his own good, but for the good of the city. Wilson sees himself as a different class of criminal. He has a low opinion of the russians.
And he believes that his vision is what’s best for the city. How is that any different than most leaders or politicians? Some of our greatest leaders held a firm conviction that they were right. Hell, so did Captain America.
In fact, that’s a great comparison. Steve Rogers’ fondest desire was to leave the shield behind, and live a normal life. And Wilson wishes he could leave the city behind. .
But he sees the city as part of him-it’s in his blood. Which is tragic, because he also sees the city as dirty and diseased. So if he can clean up the city, then he can make a part of himself clean.
Wilson was raised in New York in the 1970s-when the city was at its dirtiest. On the inside and outside. Garbage strikes, high crime, summer of sam, Bronx is burning-it was a time when the lower classes felt like they could never catch a break.
So his dad decided that to break through this economic disparity, he would run for office, and join their club. So his dad preached this lesson, that the only reason people are poor is because they’re not man enough to go out and get what they want. So Willie grew up thinking that he had to be a better man than everyone else. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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I am pleasantly surprised that a tv and movie breakdown channel has given a better explanation of Will Smith's seemingly out of nowhere aggression at the Oscars than any of the million psychology and anthropology channels/influencers on TH-cam.
Ikr
Lol, Will Smith is Comparable to a psychopath that killed his father. 👋
@@NoalFarstrider If that's your takeaway, girl, you do you, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Rock had actually been coming for Jada for yearsss. It was more like the straw that broke the camel's back, especially since Jada has an autoimmune disease that causes her alopecia, which Rock knew.
@@kweenychick32 Exactly
Donofrio's Fisk, especially in season1, was a master class in meaningful villainy. If there is 1 lesson the MCU needs to take from the netflix shows, it is the need for memorable villains. Especially ones you dont kill off or turn into heroes.
The Netflix is in the MCU.
Netflix had a better shade of gray. And I loved the fact that I simultaneously wanted to see more of Fisk and hoped to never see him again.
Disney's MCU gray seems like it has to always resolve back to the bright colors. I hope that bringing Netflix stories/writers into the fold gives a better perspective for getting deeper villains that don't die off after their one-movie appearance or reduce them to short clips strung together from other movies of "villain doing bad things".
yeah, like Thanos' one movie. Or Helmut Zemo's one appearance. Or that Kang and is one story arc
Exactly. A good villain thinks he is right. A great one IS right.
I second that opinion this a great take away for PG 13 projects
Will: "You embarrassed me in front of Jada!"
LMFAO
Thats was inappropriately funny 😂😂
Comical, though likely spot on.
Fisk and Matt both struggled with their identities trying to figure out if they were the monsters that they both claimed to be fighting. Eventually Fisk embraced his darkness accepting the fact that he is the villain of the story, from there he sought to destroy anyone in his way mainly Daredevil.
There can be only one. Oh' wrong movie. ^.^
08:55. The great thing about Superman saying "my mom made it for me", is the fact that the storytelling is subtly telling you that his mom was part of who he is and he is crediting her for that. Superman is also placing himself at the level of the kid with enthusiasm about sharing something awesome and not belittling the kid's intelligence in the process. That's GREAT storytelling there. :)
Sometimes, people are shaped by they're parents actions. Be it bad or good, and they can either embody those traits, or they learn from them. It matters not if they're super or ordinary, all of us are shaped or manipulated by our parents' choices and actions. They can be trauma or pleasant, but it all depends how we conduct ourselves today. People like Wilson Fisk, Superman, Will Smith, and many others in the world are shaped and molded by our parents. And whether or not we choose to embrace those parts is up to us. We all have to accept ourselves, the good and the bad.
"Yes, Doug. Daredevil is more catholic than the Two Popes."
Perfect joke. Funny AND accurate.
Disney could NEVER write a character as complex as Kingpin. It's sad, really. I feel sorry for Marvel
Marvel is good at casting. they figure something out with the visionary to do the work for them, i'm sure
Duh?
Killmonger, namor, wenwu, thanos and zemo
Daredevil was made by Disney. Charlie Cox went to the Disney offices to interview for the role
Yk it’s all canon right 😂
This would make more sense if Jada wasn’t a covert-aggressive narcissist. That might explain Will’s intentions, but she plays him like a fiddle. Kingpin May love Vanessa, but he doesn’t let her ever degrade him…nor would she. Jada will emasculate Will in a heartbeat, and has many times.
And yet, out of a sense of love, Will Smith sticks by her. It's a story about abuse we as a society are more used to hearing with women as the one who stays by the husband out of "love," which is really just the fear of loss. Often, a fear of loss stems from childhood trauma, neglect, or abandonment, which totally fits here. If Will Smith sees his mother in Jada, then in his mind, leaving the abusive relationship (which abused people believe will hurt their partner, not realizing they only act "hurt" because they thrive on dominance and don't want to lose an easy prey) is as bad as hurting his own mother. That's why breaking free from abuse is extremely hard if it's gone on for years: the victim is staying for what they believe is a noble reason. They defend the person all the more so.
We should have known that Jada was just being herself when she was Fish Mooney in Gotham.
@@MK_ULTRA420 We all should have known...
But she isn't y'all will do anything to invalidate a black woman experience. Chris Rock has been picking on Jada for over 15 years. Period
@@MK_ULTRA420 y'all yt folk be trying it for real
If we see a villain enjoying his evil, we can usually enjoy it too.
This may be the best video this channel has ever done. And the most important.
Even the Spiderverse Kingpin had the same ideals without having the same goal. He literally reached into the multiverse looking the perfect family. One that wasn't scarred by seeing his violence. One that wasn't lost while running away from him.
At the expense of New York via that super collider.
There can't be heroes without villains.
Or villains without heroes
interestingly, you could say daredevil is the villian from a certain point of view.
Clearly EMTs would be at a loss without their archnemesis Heart Attack Harry. 🙄
I'm not sure that's true. Often true in drama but not always. Heroes can save people from natural disasters or accidents. They can also fight against complex negative social forces that are beyond the control of a few villians.
1 fish 2 fish, red fish blue fish
"Very polite." "He loves using violence, but he hates that he loves it."
When portrayed well, this is why Fisk is one of my all-time favorite characters in all of Western comics. He's an anti-hero, villain, and wish-to-be-hero minus the fanfare all in one.
I really hope that they keep to this Kingpin and his dynamics with Daredevil in the reboot. Ideally including the gritty parts of the Netflix series. But knowing Marvel they can't help themselves to polish things up.
It won't be a reboot.
His laughable appearance in Hawkeye has proven we'll never see this Kingpin again.
Thank you, Ryan, for all the thoughtful and insightful videos.
Daredevil was an absolute masterpiece!
In my opinion the problem of the approach Fisk has taken is that it's not his personal mantra and/or ideals that his realizing but what his father had taught him in his childhood; he's being peer pressured by a dead person or the memory of one. This makes his decisions naïve in nature; always blind to how other think only using them as tools for his trade then forcing his beliefs upon others through intimidation, underhanded tactics, psychological/emotional manipulation and brute force. The saying " the road to hell is pave with good intentions" was showcased throughout his character arc. He holds himself and other to such a high standard that he himself can't live up to and guilts others of his own failures.
Devil’s Advocate Question: Then why even root for Daredevil if Fisk is right?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 because fisk is not an anti hero he is a villain. Even though his intentions are good he kills good people and his hits are un necessary. Punisher is an anti hero and you can root for him, but not fisk. He is just a monster lying to himself.
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Because Daredevil, also believes he's doing what's right for Hell's Kitchen. But in a way that contradicts Fisk's vision of saving the city.
@@MrSdsok Correction, Wilson is not an Anti-Hero, he is an Anti-Villain.
Don't completely agree with everything said about Kingpin here but really love how seriously you take mental health and upbringing in explaining people's behaviour.
I just started watching the whole defenders saga now that it's on Disney + and appreciated how deep Kingpins character is. ( Chronoligocially I'm only halfway through season 1 of Jessica Jones so not aware how Kingpins changes in later Daredevil seasons) So glad he's pulled into the MCU and hope to see more character development
Season 1 of Jessica Jones is amazing! I absolutely loved David’s portrayal of Kilgrave. Have you already watched all Daredevil if you don’t mind me asking? I wasn’t sure if you were going DD s1 & 2, Jessica Jones s1. If you’re watching this way, omg wait until you get to s3 of Daredevil. By far the best season EVER! I watched No Way Home 6 times in theatres including opening night and I’m pretty sure I was the only one who cheered when Matt came on screen. I know this is about Fisk. I think he is by far the BEST VILLAIN IN MARVEL because of everything Ryan said. Kilgrave and Fisk are such interesting villains. Both so controlling in such different ways-one with mind control and the other with intellectual control over literally EVERYONE. I hope you’re enjoying the whole Saga! I had a super hard time watching Iron Fist and stopped watching Luke Cage after episode 6 I believe. But DD and Jessica Jones (specifically s1) are insanely amazing!
GREAT Video!!! Thank you for all your hard work and content Ryan.
This was one of your deepest videos to date. Loved it. I just watched an old video of you doing the breakdown to end game a couple of years ago. Man, you have come a long way. Love this channel
@Michael Hernandez Devil’s Advocate Question: Then why even root for Daredevil if Fisk is right?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 true statement. I think it's just a matter of both of them having the same goal but two different ways of doing it. All a matter of what you prefer
@@inforafoodawakening then why is Daredevil a good show? Then why is he the protagonist?
Really interesting and great work. Worse case you've just highlighted yet again how good D'onofrio is as this character
A fascinating insight. Surprisingly, Will Smith (via Fresh Prince reference) exists in the MCU.
Haha that’s fun! Which movie/show as a Fresh Prince reference? Can’t think of it or find it
@@Cat-uw5np
Actually, it was in Captain Marvel. It was when Monica tried to convince her mother to go on a mission with Carol, instead of sitting in the couch and watch Fresh Prince with her.
Nice analysis on Kingpin! I knew that he had many layers to him but this video is a really good breakdown.
More empathy towards Will Smith isn't a bad thing either.
Will ia married to someone with zero empathy and zero accountability. Same as who Johnny Depp was once married to (Amber Heard). Johnny removed that virus from his life. Will has yet to.
Yes.. tis vid is complete explanation.. tq
Especially since it’s all really Jada’s fault
I love that someone else appreciates these details as much as I do. Thank you!!!
I think this is my favorite kind of clips u make, though I love your breakdown videos as well
It's like Batman. Every villan has a tragedy in some way. So did Bruce. The difference is how you react to the tragedy.
What a great video. We need more Vincent D’Onofrio’s Wilson Fisk!
Best video you've ever made. Well done truly. Touching
The sad thing is not everyone is gonna agree with your ideals.
Nope
Great video! I love when other people see how great of a character Wilson Fisk is in the show
Amazing video man! Huge props!
Great deep dive Ryan! Thank you for your insight!
So Will Smith vs Chris Rock is an important piece in the MCU timeline
What Other villains were right?
Yes!
Pog
@@arushreedattaram9428 Yesn't
He Who Remains was right about free will.
Thanos, Ultron, zemo
I hated how the MCU handled Kingpin in Hawkeye and i'm scared that they're going to damage the character even further in future....
Based on your profil picture,you don't just hate about they(mcu) ruin daredevil...but you also hate personally of mcu.
@@abandonmarkspeare5213 Want to here something surprising people can like both Marvel and DC, although I have been enjoying the MCU more often in terms of live action films from the last decade I like DC better overall and others can have that opinion not just with this but with other things. It is kind of sad that you think so little of others.
Vincent D'Onofrio has been given a large input of what to do with the corrector, and the costume choice in Hawkeye was his. So I think he'll be fine
@@abandonmarkspeare5213 Bit of an overreach there on your part.
@@KPlaysSports123 What made Netflix Daredevil great was a combination of the actors, the writers, the cinematographers, the editors, the directors, and the producers. Those were the winning ingredients. Bringing only one aspect of them over (the actors) isnt enough. Especially when the MCU has a totally different vision and outlook than the people who worked on the Netflix shows.
Hit the nail on the head. It's like that saying goes lately, the nicest, extremely gentle people are sometimes the most evil/sad/manipulative on the inside. Take it as you want it, but its true for so many. Sure, there are genuine good people, but you can't fully trust anyone until you know what makes them tick. How does anyone handle stressful, traumatic experiences? With blind rage? Or bottling up the anger for later?
I had plenty of traumatic experiences as a kid. When sh*t his the fan, I used to react with this blind anger. Only because I was never given a chance to explain myself. Was never really a bad kid growing up. It's the fact that extended family I grew up in and friends made bad assumptions. Thinking I wasn't going to listen and no one would hear me out. Got punished severely for something that isn't worth raging over. Still remember a lot of those moments when people close to me would be furious over literally spilled milk. But I learned to go past that. I hold myself accountable and not overreact anymore. I avoid situations where people will try to blame me for something I didn't do. And if someone tries, I tend to not even get involved at all. I got too much sh*t to do 😆
Kingpin doesnt have anyone toxic living with him that fuels his rage. Will Smith does. Its called Jada Pinkett Smith.
This was a very interesting deep dive. Well done!
@SeekerOwl Devil’s Advocate Question: Then why even root for Daredevil if Fisk is right?
I can relate. For when I was a kid, many (adults, parents, teachers, counselors, and the like) had told me that violence is not a solution to a problem. Was also told that prayer helps, but didn't. All I wanted was to have others stop picking on me, and bullying me. Because I was small.
Had a father in the military. Made me think. If violence does not solve anything, why are police trained to fight and kill, if needed? Why does every nation in power have a military trained to fight also?
So, I eventually fought back. And for the first time, I got results. Hitting a bully got many of them to back off, and leave me alone. Something that no parent, teacher, or counselor was able or even willing to do for me. Was not until I used violence to solve my issue, did I manage to put a dent in the numbers of those that would treat me badly.
I also learned another powerful lesson at that time. Adults want to rule over you. Is hard to control the unruly. And violent people tend to be unruly. So, are told not to take matters into their own hand to solve an issue, but to come to them to solve them for you. By this, they hope to control you, wile also at the same time, not really provide the help they promise. What they really want, is for you to be good, and not complain and give then any issues.
Turns out, in the end, Kingpin is indeed right. You have to do what you are told not to do, and take matters into your own hands to solve an issue yourself, even if it means using violence, if you want to see an issue solved. For no one else is going to do it for you. Not when it really matters.
And just like Kingpin, the system will punish you for stepping out of place. Just as I got in trouble a lot in school for getting into fights, even when I didn't start them. For to those in the system, you are not in their control.
But, being in their control is not always a benefit to an individual either.
Seems to fulfill a saying. "You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't."
And you got to ask yourself at times, what do you want to put up with, more. Getting bullied, for being a good person and not making waves? Or getting a time out for being a bad unruly person, according to the system? For at times, it's going to be, one or the other.
When the shit hits the fan, and the shit lands on you, is that really a hard question to answer? O.o
Man, this was an excellent piece. Really informative.
This is such an incredible upload.
When I watched this video, Ryan's comment about kingpin making the city clean was cut off by a Mr Clean ad. That's some fantastic product placement TH-cam!
Excellent video as always
Thanks for being such a blunt critic. Pop culture can be so deep and yet only a few channels( such as SC) dare to be so honest
And this why I'm so worried on how Marvel will use the Netflix characters on Disney Plus. Those characters are more mature and grounded and it seems Feige has different plans for them to inject them in the PG 13 world of the MCU.
Private Pyle Has come a long way
As for Will Smith's actions, in my opinion, was born out of fear that he isn't fulfilling his role as a good husband to his wife; that he isn't doing his obligation and commitment to his family and perceived as disloyalty. What's worse is that he neither approach the situation with humility nor wisdom but went straight to the nuclear option.
@@matthewardill4297 Maybe if his wife didn't sleep around will wouldn't feel the need to defend her...
@@NoalFarstrider I wish you could see my thumbs down.
Spare us your useless indignation and pearl clutching. You're all here to Cuck for the months old incident @@jvontrier
@@jvontrier Where are your thumbs going down? On Jada?
This is also explained thoroughly in his autobiography. I would recommend it, as we get to understand his actions more.
You always bring your A game, Ryan, but this was A+.
I loved this video!!! What brilliant video 👏👏
Great video👍 It explained and taught me a lot of things
This is amazing analysis, superb stuff.
Excellent video. Top notch!
This is quite an intriguing title and thumbnail
Honestly I think it's the other way around. Wilson Fisk uses the "greater goal" as an excuse for power, he wants everything because he thinks he deserves it, no matter the ways he uses to obtain whatever he wants. He wants to be in control of the city and others, he wants to be respected and feared. Vincent D´Onofrio nailed the Kingpin... it feels like Wilson Fisk is a beast in rage, ready to slaughter anyone and everyone who displeases him, so he tries as best as he can to be polite and civilized, to be a man instead of a monster, because this is what he wishes too. In the end, it's all about himself, even the "good" in the city has to come from him, this is not noble, it's just selfish.
About Will Smith, that was all wrong, no matter the excuse. What bother's me... why have the trouble of going all they way there just to slap? What furious man (or person) just slaps and go away? My niece fights harder than that (and she's 5). Was that a message to all the world? Couldn't it be a better message? It's hard to explain, hard to find reasons when the situation was so weird.
@Rafael, the way you described Kingpin makes me think of Heisenberg
Awesome analysis and comparison. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
great theories!!! Lovin it!!
wow your analysis was deep. I've never watched daredevil but your analysis of Wilson Fisk told me everything I need to know about the character.
This is one of the best videos youve ever put out
I’ve been watching your videos for a while, and you nailed this one talking about the kingpin. I agree this is why I like Vincent DOnofrio betrayal more thens Michael Duncan’s.
One of your best videos Ryan! Bravo!
Great Job Ryan. Keep it up.
Wow, I thought this was just click bait but worthy of a laugh, but this was an excellent psychoanalysis, great job!
That was mind-blowingly good and incredibly enjoyable to listen to.
Excellent analysis!!!
Love the dog, & his questions are so "OnPoint".
wow, what an analysis...Im subscribed, sir !
This video should've had more likes. Excellent character study. I'm actually curious on your take on Thanos (who people say was also right).
Dang Ryan. Thanks for this video. Incredible analysis.
This was incredible. Well done.
Gods, this is actually great. I thought this is just a click bait video when I saw the video but god damn! Almost had me in near tears.
Holy shit, I’m obsessed with this video. Beautiful work, guys ❤️ I learnt so much about me, about people and characters I’d like to develop
This is effing brilliant. Great job!
Awesome breakdown Ryan 👏 thought this was just a clickbait title, glad I was wrong
So the way to fix most issues heroes and villains have is therapy....
One of your best analysis Ryan.
You are freaking awesome. love your show brother.
"Even more than The Two Popes?"
I was ROLLING!!! 🤣😂🤣
Powerful observations! Well presented. Too bad it ended within 16 minutes, I thought you may have delved into psychosis, its treatments and its effects on others.
I like the Daredevil character of course but Wilson Fisk became one of my favorite villains behind Apocalypse. Vincent D'onofrio displayed an excellent performance in season 1 which sparked my interest more in the Kingpin character. In watching this video, I finally understand why I related to this character.
Look. This is excellent. Well done. I think Wilson Fisk is the best villain in the MCU. I hope they get back to this and explore it more in the coming years.
Great job Ryan
A brilliant take on one of the most amazing portrayals of an antagonist manufactured by a cruel society. An epic video ScreenCrush
that was a Great Video !
Great stuff here!
Great episode..thoroughly enjoyed your theory..
Impressive analysis!
In the words of DMX ... "So, if it takes for me to suffer for my brother to see the light....GIVE ME PAIN TILL I DIE... But please Lord,treat him right"
Are you guys looking over my shoulder....? I just finished the first season of Daredevil (for the first time) so this video is perfect timing!
I was utterly mesmerized by Fisks journey. All the Daredevil stuff and the lawyer office stuff just got in the way of what I really wanted to see. What a character and what a performance.
Here is something better Daredevil show has many flaws that rarely anyone talks about. On how just based on a single testimony they were able to bring fiske down.
This was one of the ,ost amazingly well thought out videos….like Damn! 🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽
These are the type of videos that made me subscribe
Great video. I don't usually comment on videos anymore. You right about Fisk and humanity, Fisk had the right idea.
Wow.. This character breakdown really made me appreciate life. Great breakdown.
This was an excellent way to see the situation.
this was a really good screen crush episode.
The battle for New York was a lot bigger than you give it credit for. They were flying aliens crashing into buildings. That wasn't contained in a one or two block radius, so its perfectly reasonable to believe hells kitchen was damaged too. Also, lastly, the netflix series aren't canon to the MCU. They are picking and choosing what is canon, so we have to actually wait and see what is canon before going ahead and assuming everything in the netflix shows are completely canonical. iirc, feige himself has said that some things are going to be canon and some aren't. If it wasn't feige it was someone else at marvel.
Respect for the way you used your references
lol when you said wilson i looked up cuz thats my first name too. lol @15:06. i was sending email while listening, tis why i HAD look up lol.
Spot on, great analysis
Easily your best video to date
He Who Remains was right about how free will lead to everything burning.
He’s pretty much everything opposite of what Loki was searching for: a glorious purpose.