How to Cage the Monkey Mind | Tim Ferriss | Talks at Google
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- Tim Ferriss will be joined us at Google to talk about his career, books, podcasts, and stoicism. Tim was asked the following questions:
What has been the most important Stoic teaching that I’ve come across?
How do I manage the many requests I receive?
What are the factors or elements that have led to the success of the podcast?
Where do I see myself in five years?
If I could pick three people - alive or dead - to be in my personal board of directors, who would they be?
How do I experiment with my dog training?
What are my recommendations for longevity?
How do I fight insomnia?
And much, much more…
Moderated by Jordan Thibodeau
*NOTES ON THIS TALK FOR ANYONE WHO DIDNT HAVE TIME TO WATCH IT ALL*
I have attention deficit disorder so try to improve my focus by watching talks and making notes :)
Tim Ferriss talk at Google -
1) Tim lives by ancient Stoic Philosophy
- Put himself into positions which helps him overcome trivial egoic concerns i.e. what others think about him. Try to overcome all the superficial stuff
- Practice what you fear
- 'We do not rise to the level of our hopes. We fall to the level of our training'
2) Monkey Brain
- Internal dialogue, like a naughty kid
- Journal regularly - helps capture the monkey mind/insecurities down onto paper. Gives them an expression so they don't express themselves through his day/life
- Journaling helps imprison the monkey mind
- To be able to control life/destiny - Need to identify where we are being overly reactive and wasting our energy/power
- Gratitude is critical - Develop this habit into your everyday life
- Focus is the largest distinguishing factor in the top 1% of performers
3) Contemplate death/negativity
- Helps put the context of your life and the time you have into perspective. Remember you're just human.
- Always try to be the weakest person the room at something.
- It doesn't matter if you lose. As long as you're progressing in the right direction
- Practice your focus - Decide in advance what you will give your attention and focus to
- Have fun and keep it simple
4) Commonalities in Successful people
- Over 80% of top performers meditate daily
- Males - Many over 50-year-old men skip breakfast
- Preserve your decision making 'budget' - don't waste your energy/focus on deciding what to have for breakfast, what to wear etc
- Save your focus/energy for your priorities and creative pursuits
- Have routines you stick too
- Ask yourself what the worst case scenario? Always budget for the downside
- Take risks by first considering worst case scenarios and then make plans to minimize these things from happening
- If worst care happens, can you get back to where you are asap?
- Most 'risky' things are reversible
5) Long-term goals
- Treat life as 2-week experiments and 6-month projects
- When we place 5-10 year goals we do so from our current thinking and paradigm. We may be capable of more. But we undersell ourselves due to our current programming
- We tend to make our goals easy and too achievable
- Doors close which you don't expect. But doors open which you didn't consider or know about
6) Tims 'board of directors'
- Benjamin Franklin
- Richard Feynmon - Physicist
- Marcus Aurelius - Had to make life-death decisions
- Decide on constant progression for best results
7) Human Longevity
- Performance over longevity
- Life span extending methods usually compromise performance
- Semi-long fasts to purge precancerous cells
- By 40 everyone has precancerous cells
- Experience ketosis/fasting for extended periods - 2-3 days a month
- Hyperbaric oxygen
- Take exogenous ketones (mix in powder and drink)
- Metformin extends lifespan
8) Insomnia
- Replace coffee with tea (decaf)
- Meditation every morning
- Read fiction before bed, takes you out of logical mode into storytelling mode
- Use Flux to change light emissions from laptop/screens
- Microdose psilocybin (James Fadiman podcast)
9) General advice
- 'Never attribute to malice, what you can attribute to incompetence and busy-ness'
- We start as a chess piece (pawn). We then become the best chess piece on the board. Then the player and then the person who designs the game. Once we reach this level we can 'change the game'.
- Be happy with what you have. Reflect on how fortunate you are. Without this mindset, you'll never be happy/fulfilled
- Achievement is only one side of the equation
- Humans are social creatures. Spend more time in groups. Mixed groups. Males spend more time in small groups of only men. Very therapeutic
- Humans have very little physical contact. Damaging to society and humans
10) Tims goals
- Top performers have the ability to learn quickly and able to teach others
- Tims wants to create an army of people who are expert learners, very high level, top 1% meta learners.
- Who can easily learn and get good at almost anything and then teach others.
Thank you!
Thanks dude, really helpful.
How High Can You Fly Thanks, this saved me watching the talk
thanks 4 the share :-)
Thank you 🙏
you da real MVP
Tim Ferriss is one of our modern day sages, a truly enlightened Renaissance person. Unlike to many leaders or spiritual gurus, he is sincere, humble, logical, and practical. You can actually learn and apply what he discusses.
very well said.. and you did so without faulting anyone else
Tim ferriss is such a deep and insightful person that my mind is blown every time! His words come from a very reflective and active mind, with a solid history.
"You have to be willing to be the weakest one in the room" Wow that one got me usually we always try to be the best one in the room because we're afraid to lose or being humiliated . Nice advice.
It's very kind of you, idols. You like to help me and help people in need. Working together is beautiful
Longevity recommendations @ 52:23 (my question submitted online):
1. Fasts to purge pre-cancerous cells (you don't want uncontrolled growth). Experience ketosis or fasting for semi-extended periods of time (2-3+ days). Tim does one three-day fast per month (only water). Also, hyperbaric oxygen (2.5 atm for 60-90 minutes 3x/week). You can also take exogenous ketones (e.g. mixing a powder and drinking it)
2. Metformin - the medication that has the most support for prophylactic life extension
3. Don't drive a car :)
Next (@55:28): How to combat insomnia (I was also in the audience):
0. Throw all the variables at the experiment, and if you get the desired effect, start removing variables once you have a winning combination.
1. Replace coffee with tea. There are coffee pills. Decrease your caffeine intake. Eliminate caffeine consumption past 5pm [NB: you may be a slow caffeine metabolizer - check your 23andme]
2. Some type of meditation in the morning, e.g. 10-20 minutes using an app like Headspace. This fixes the "monkey mind" cause of insomnia.
3. Reading fiction before bed, to take you from a problem-solving mode to a story-consuming mode.
4. Use f.lux or the like on your screens
5. Microdose with psychedelics, at sub-hallucinogenic levels. Psilocybin worked for some.
Thanks for summarizing his answers. Does Tim or anyone else consolidate these tips/recommendations in one place?
You missed micro dosing psychedelics to combat insomnia.
+Tim Musson No, I didn't. It's the last item in my comment.
Dan thanks for breaking this down!! Well done! Luv TF's stuff...Brilliant!!
Dan Dascalescu 👍🏾
One of the Beat Tim Ferris interviews ever!
Beat, indeed.
I love how Tim talked about How to Cage the Monkey Mind. You'd see that they are based on experience, even his books are also amazing! I’ve heard influencers and authors who does it too, even therapist that host podcasts like the Pioneers of Insight podcast, but not too many others.
First talk I ever listened to and this had knock on effects that have changed my life, thanks Tim you've been a life saver!
The number of new paths this video pointed me towards is ludicrous. I had never consciously surmised one source would alter my gang (German) so greatly. Dankeschoen!
Thank you for sharing your insights and experiences, Tim. I appreciate it muchly. Cheers!
So much insight, such a good talk, Tim is right when he’s into it, he’s fully into it and we are lucky to have his learnings in the form of his books and talks!
Tim highlights principles that if practiced regularly, have the possibility of evolving our natural capacities. In my own work with high performers, I often speak on the power of practice and say that "...when under pressure, we default to the level of our training (Tim speaks to this same principle toward the beginning of the video (min. 3:20) and also mentions practicing what we fear most (min. 4:00). Powerful, thanks, Tim!
these talks are getting better and better Google. Keep it up :)
Tim is a 💎!
Thank you so much, Brad :)
At first sceptical even super critical - he makes some good points. The "capture" idea is spot on.
As long as you're trending in the right direction it doesn't matter if you're losing..
i do a similar thing to not be embarrassed. being a guy a looked down on or seen as weird thing to do by many people is painting your nails. so from time to time i will go out and get my nails done. at first id go with very passive things like dark blue and feel weird about it, but after i few times of doing it and being used to it id go get crazy things like sparkly gold and silver accents and not care. doing stuff like that helped me a lot with being comfortable with myself and not caring how others perceive me do to such small things.
Interviewer is asking shortcut questions and it matches Tim's style. Also he has quite an intense looks, which makes Tim look away while talking 😂
for those who chronically feel weak in all aspects, should, when walking into a group, imagine they are (i am) better than everyone in one thing.
I appreciate tim ferriss for all he has done, But i have questions: I want to know tim’s mind set before he came into wealth! time said he used to work days on end and take nootropic supplements to try and stay focused!
I think these videos are helpful is certain levels of life. but one should work hard while young to get their business off the ground, then watch these videos to maintain a a level head so you don’t fall victim to ones own shortfalls..
Notes for self
• only ashamed of what you really have to be ashamed of
• depression is an obsession of the past, anxiety is of the future
Tim is so awesome!
I'm surprised that they uploaded the entire video and not just 10 minutes.
Wonderful advice I benefited a lot . Stoic advices fasting , meditations and preparing worst case senario is Islamic and it helps a lot . Tim got it very word he says benefits. Thanks for sharing
"As long as you're trending in the right direction, it doesn't matter if you are losing."
My simple words to everyone inside the room with idol Tim Ferris ( Love is cute when it's new ,,,,but love is most beautiful when it last ) 😄😘😍😇
For the 4 hour work-week this guy seems type A and works 24-7.
Seeing how you know your types, i totally recommend you listen to at least one podcast
he knows and mentions so many times that he is a type a personality
He wrote the book because he WAS working 24/7
the 4 hour workweek book is based on how to be an efficient worker
try it out. you will be surprised, so pleasantly too :)
One look and listen to him shows he is a scheming liar.
+justgivemethetruth you might just be looking at it from your own existence. A lot of information is good. If it's bad just leave it.
justgivemethetruth well you can't call him a lier because he back up every thing he says with a lot of fine data
* "... on how to be an effective worker"
"There's not enough productive suffering in the U.S." is a line that may be true but it contributes to a narrative that people don't work hard enough. I would add to that that "There is too much unproductive suffering in the U.S.".
Tims goal "To create a benevolent army of expert learners".
- Army General from South Africa.
I've watched a lot of tims videos at this stage and he gives great advice without doubt! But if I hear the Stoicism angle again I'll go nuts...
You sound like you need Some stoïcism in your life.
As long as you are trending in the right direction
Some great nuggets here. I'm regular listener of the TF podcast AD's can be grating but I appreciate the man has to eat - oh the first world problems!
Wearing cheap clothes and not eating much isn't practicing poverty. If that's all poverty was then yeah the worst case scenario wouldn't be that bad. Problem is, that's not what poverty is. Poverty is the chronic stress of having bills to pay but not being able to pay them. Poverty is having children to feed but struggling with the stress and guilt of not being able to afford to properly feed them. I like this guy, but sometimes he can be a bit over-simplistic.
Smoking Horsey IT is fged
In my experience, poor people are usually people who are not smart enough. Don't get me wrong. People can be poor but if they remain consistently poor at around 50 they are not smart enough. Now Tim is obviously smart and it is tough to replicate stupidity. I completely agree with you though that poverty can't be replicated by wearing cheap clothes and not eating.
That's obviously not true. You're getting it backwards. People are often not smart enough because they were born poor. The individuals who are born poor, yet still manage to end up bright are the exception. You don't seem to be taking into consideration the uphill struggle that an individual born into a broke household in a deprived area faces. Most of these individuals by the time they are teenagers have developed behavioral problems due to the crime around them and feel alienated from wider society.You don't get to be smart without learning and poor children often don't get proper educations.
Essentially, if you see a poor person it's more accurate to think "this person is probably not very bright because this person grew up broke" than to think "this person is broke because they are not very bright". Of course, there is then the exception of broke people who are incredibly intelligent but have been held back in life for other reasons. Again, likely behavioral/mental health problems.
+Smoking Horsey Yep. Imo being bright is being able to learn from experiences, which doesn't require any education. It's just that the only experience someone in poverty knows is to be in poverty.
I would guess that if Einstein was constantly struggling to find his next meal he wouldn't have had much time for expanding his horizons.
mookamoka3 Intelligence allows you to adapt to your situation better than others. A very intelligent heroin addict may simply be better at scoring heroin than other addicts. There's nothing that says intelligence stops you from taking heroin. In fact, the evidence seems to suggest more intelligent people are more likely to take drugs
As a person who has oved in poverty his entire life, I have to say that this is not going to get the full effect. For me the hardest part has been the years of psycological stress and never ever being completely nurished. My brain does not work like it should without the food that it needs. this has not been a fast, it has been a life. I like his efforts but I will suggest he get together with a group or a few groups of people who have actually been in poverty for very long periods, create a think tank with them. Yes good try but needs improvement. Mainly the psycological aspect, I feel it is the most difficult part of poverty. The stigma, no safety net, hopelessness.
Any videos you recommend watching regarding this?
4-Hour Workweek? That's awesome!
Sounds like the majority of my wardrobe. :) Bringing the 80's back folks!
Awesome! Love the Judo reference!
With hair the mind becomes so much greater at connecting with the natural world.
Awesome. Awesome. Thank you
Great talk!
This guy's full of it! Why should I waste my time learning all this stuff when I can just work a meaningless job for the rest of my life, miserable and in debt, and then die penniless, completely unfulfilled, with a bitter woman at my side who secretly hated me for the duration of our sham marriage?
...What?
this is fantastic
People who think there is no rite of passage have never been poor. Having a small apartment and being college student broke is not what I’m talking about. That’s just a taste. Suffering is overrated. And I love how he’s downing willpower and jumping off a mountain and is still like “ I love you tony”. Basically what he told everyone is get the skills of an administrative assistant and your life will improve. Also, become a contract worker who self analyzes, so no need for hr too. Starve every now and again, so you can know what it is to be deprived. I mean, I guess. Im going go have breakfast now , Tim. Thanks for giving all those call centers in India something to do all these years. 👏🏽👍🏽✌🏾
1:05 is important for contentment for my happiness
“Routine, in an intelligent man, is a sign of ambition.” ― W. H. Auden
absolute bullshit
Vee Cel
"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. " -Ralph Waldo Emerson
Great stuff Tim!
„If disaster strikes, you are not reactive, cause you planned in advance“ I hope we did that. Planing for an epidemic like Corona would have been helpful -.-
The power of Spirit Energy ( Energy Faith ) is able to stir up turmoil in universe.
Audience of one💞💞💞💯
Nice description of punk rock style.
Why does this guy have so many haters
@19.57 Hitchcock smashed a cup each morning to remind him of the frailty of life
Exactly correct your visions ( that's my idol Tim Ferris ( bravo ) 😇
The things he talks about is a very Islamic teaching, ma sha Allah
Great interview! Thank you both. Consider G. Edward Griffin on his great book "World Without Cancer." Would be great and in my opinion, he does not talk about this book enough.
What does Tim do in those 3 day fasts? I can't imagine being able to be productive or social at those times.
This is a good question to pose to him. He has mentioned the low activity ....last 2 days being weekends. While fasting...ur mind is quite alert. You try this for a day snd see how it helps
Fasting is very powerful,
Gosh revelation of my idol Tim ( god help me true ) how can I be ) a smarter than this man Tim Ferris 😇
Note to everyone who enjoyed Tim's tips on this video, Read more about Islam and Islamic Pillars, it has all these life hacks people were practicing more than 1400 years ago and continued till nowadays, these range from Fasting (whole month AND intermittent), Meditation, Observation, Practicing gratitude, Humility, etc. You'll get detailed practical guidelines to follow in both Explained Quran and Hadith. Much love everyone!
1:12:19 Sounds a little similar to a 10-day vipassana meditation retreat (genders separate, no tech, only two meals a day)
"Practicing poverty" HAH! It's VERY psychologically different when you know it's a temporary condition versus a seemingly inescapable nightmare trap that you wake up to every day with cumulative negative effects. He needs to reconsider that little exercise
yes most certainly. he should try working 3 shitty jobs at the same time with bosses screaming at him and being forced to share an apartment with a person he doesnt like, for years. then he will begin to maybe come close to it. or even better be homeless for a while, be forced to rummage around in garbage bins for something to eat.
Poverty is being trapped. Constant terror of never being able to escape struggling to get things needed to live and not being able to do it. Having your health deteriorate because you simply can't afford food, heat, much less a dentist. Poverty is realizing your dreams died and hoping for regular food is too much to believe will happen. Poverty is constant exhaustion because of living in terror & unhealthy conditions.
He has a different target audience. What he says isn't universal.
It’s supposed to be psychologically different......he says PRACTICE. Meaning he’s after a short term reminder in order for him to simply take a prism view. It’s supposed to be done without negative effects. If he wanted to actually experience poverty that’s pretty easy to do. I’m guessing that’s not his intention
Your the best! I love your work !
Fasting with a large amount on your bank account is *not* practising poverty. The mindset is totally different. Just saying.
Totally agree, though I certainly get the point of it. And do it.
I wonder if you've done three day fast and know what it feels like, irrespective of how big or small your bank account balance is
I've looked a little bit, but are these talks available as a podcast?
4-Hour Parent coming out in 5 years from now.
i am in love
To watch Tim interview Bentinho.....oh wow.
watched your talk on TED; this looks interesting..
Who else would be up for that bootcamp though? 🙋🏻♀️
Are there any good free meditation apps?
I think he mentioned Google Plus at 14:35 just for being a nice person
Great talk, but the title is completely misleading
yes there wasn't any mention monky's at all in this
I'd like to take part in a lottery for a slot for an upcoming Tim Ferris Bootcamp !
Igor Popov damn you are eager (Igor) to popoff (Popov)
When he says "dont use M-dashes," the subtitle uses an m-dash, gave me a giggle
what was the word that he said when talking about remembering that you are gonna die?
Dani Weiss memento, homo, quia pulvis es et in pulverem reverteris
How do you send the email in the future
I have to be honest with myself...I'm just way to ADD for this stuff.
univibe23 no need to bring your excuses to the comment section, come back when you've got some results for me boy.
Always down and dirty?
I wanna be in that bootcamp!
Who was he talking about at 46:00? Thanks m8
Prof. Richard Fyenman
this was very good thank you
I practice the Ancient Tibetan Rites, I eat Protandim, I watch my internal dialogue or my internal mantra!
Is it me or does he seem to be bragging about how humble he is?
Casey Rothwell The real humble ones are the people who are not commenting on that big ass head of his.
The old trustworthy humblebrag.
The pain camp...bring it
Related to Tom Thibodeau?
35:11 Watching this talk from Colombia ;)
send me a coca leaf
What is your address? :p #costumersacquisition
I like your vids, I plan to watch many of them .. and, of course, I find them useful, lecturing ... but the concept of the monkey mind is a pretty old Buddhist concept concerning meditation
IS THAT Robbie Serrard in the audience? ( 1:17:47 )
You have Tim Ferriss in the room and you are able to ask any question, and you ask about dogs... What the heck? 1st question :(
Good idol Tim Ferris you share your interesting from your a bit life 😱😇
I've got one advice in order to stop procrastinate. Even though i like Tim Ferriss, i got to say... Stay away from thoses interviews... It's time consuming. Nothing will come out of this except a great respect for the guy. Nevertheless i've spoted something interesting about this video : "try to be the weakest person in the room".
I dont get this point :( can you please explain?
"try to be the weakest person in the room": If this is the point you wish to understand, then here's an explanation based on what I understood. Basically it means that if you are trying to learn, say, chess, and you start playing with 12 year olds, then you'll beat them easily and be the strongest person in the room. If, however, you start playing with more experienced players, you'll be beaten all the time, but you'll learn much more. In other words, a tough group will make you better at whatever it is your are doing than a soft group that you dominate. If you are the weakest in the group, it means all the other members are stronger and better, and will push you to become better yourself.
You have to be willing to lose yes it may be uncomfortable you may be humiliated but if you keep winning you won't learn nothing you'll be stuck at the same spot. Just like the example tim brought up of getting beat up in a ju jitsu match by a 12 year old yup that was miserable to him but hey later he on he went on to beat a guy. Something we can all learn from.
Rising intonation, overt gesturing, nervous laughter, looks for affirmation, etc. in the first few minutes...
lol spot on
4:00 i really do get the point but the example screams hypocrisy.
You can not practice poverty just by doing a fast every month AND having a big fat bank account an living in your big fat house and driving your big fat cars.
You get a taste of "the worst case scenario" when you really are in the shithole with nothing to rely on.
At 39:10 he nails exactly what he will do for the next 5 years: from the podcast to less hair
@timferris this video is from 5 years ago.
You mentioned where you wish to be in 5 years. So here we are... How do you feel about the vision and plans? Have you accomplished them? 🙂
hey jordan how was Shhoooool?
Shorter Solution to How to cage the monkey mind? = "BREATHE MOTHERFUCKER" - Wim Hof
Meditation 💞💞💞💯
Haha...love it!!
Pro tip: Listen to this on low volume while playing mediation music in the background - great white noise and motivation for writing code.