I know this takes away a huge aspect of cycling, riding a bicycle with auto gear shifting will probably feel really weird... but you have to admit, that this is a pretty cool gem in terms of engineering and technology!
Been around for some time already. N5 is a comeback however. Personally i really dislike automatic shifting on bikes. Shimano lets you decide if its auto or manual by pressing an up or down button. So thats good.
@@calebmaengwe6127 Do you know anything about motorcycles? Or are you just gatekeeping cycling? Why would you want to cram an automatic motorcycle gearbox into the wheel hub when auto motorcycles already exist?
The bike mechanics' job at the local shop now requires a two year cert from an online tech institute. (It's sarcasm on the internet. You'll figure it out.)
@@cajames1 lol I guess that would be in line with MNCs trend of an even less sustainable, more profitable business model. I'll stick with my slx that survived 5 wrecks in two miles today. 😅
It’s funny that it’s such a foreign concept to you. In Germany, being a bike mechanic is considered a craft trade, and as such requires an apprenticeship of 3 years.
@Dream. Totally. Only after a few weeks of commuting by ebike it takes some time to get used to clumsy clutches and gears. Single speed, direct drive, electric is the way to go. Going is easier and even braking is easier and maintenance is easier and the bike is cleaner.
@@difflocktwo I’ve got both, a single speed belt drive ebike and a 10 speed Deore ebike. I think they both have their uses and neither really beats the other, but yes I do use the single speed way more often. An ebike honestly really has no use for all the lower gears.
@@tenzingmingmar1424 Yeah, electric motors basically make it so you are always riding on flat ground or even downhill and you don't really need multiple gears for that.
you can simply install any fitting sprocket you like on a nexus. the hub comes without any sprocket as a single part. the belt drive sprocket will cost you way more thou
I'm still very decisive about the belt technology. I have seen it trending these days and saw a comparison to the chain model. Do you use it yourself and is it really that much better? It said, it's suitable more for rough terrain, but not everyday city biking.
Given the fact it's 5-speed innerhub i guess it will be intended for commuters or city-bikes, so there is no point to cry about how it ruins the feel or sportyness of manual shifting. It seems most bikes in those categories get pedalassist electric motors and pairing auto-shift and e-assist will make a beast of a bike, for getting around the city for average Joe. On the other hand, it will be hard to justify spending so much money on the everyday street-parked city-beater bike.
@ASSAULT ON ASPHALT most pro bikes allready use electronic shifting (see shimano DI2) and power-meters, so from technical point making it automatic wouldn't need new hardware. Yet rules and regulations likely would prohibit such devices
@ASSAULT ON ASPHALT well, as I've said this product is not for enthusiasts, but for commuters. And here is the point: you can be more than capable to use manual transmission, you just don't care. For example my mom: she started driving in the 80's Russia, so she can drive not just manual transmission cars, but manual choked, she laughed when our 17y/old neighbor told her about drifting, cause winter driving in Russia is all about inertia and grip management. Yet in day-to-day live she just don't want to give a crap about it, and says that best thing happened when we moved in to the city, where is no need to drive or have a car.
In my Xiaomi Qicycle I am using the Nexus Inter 3 and it is a marvel ... going from 3 to 5 gears would be a pass. The good thing about this system is its almost zero maintenance, visual simplicity, protection against impacts and gear changes while standing still. Greetings
@@allaboutcuteness53 internal geared hubs exist for a long time, they are very reliable. You know, technology exists to stop moist and dirt from getting into things. Like boat engines, car gearboxes and stuff like that which is in contact with moist and dirt all the time and works for tens of years.
@Poal Dotco Hey what's up with that wheel humming? Gotta get that fixed! Hahahaha! Ok, maybe use smooth slick tires and you can reduce the humming if you really wanted to make it quieter.
Shimano doing what it does best. Pretty nice man i like how the angle of terrain commands gear change too. This will be popular among older cyclists pretty fast :)
stress of shifting? when i grew up you had to find your gear on the downtube. don't think that is for older riders, rather for spoilt lil rich kids that already have everything. i rather buy an e bike:-)
I would only get something like this with a Gates Carbon Belt Drive. I have a Specialized Globe Live 3 with an 8-speed Shimano Alfine IGH and a Gates Carbon Belt Drive and it works well, I love it!
this is meant as a presentation of concept i suspect. why is everyone in a hurry? you know someone is going to have an unpacking video on it and someone else is going to take it all apart melt it and build a knife. just chill :}
As a person who has never driven a car with an automatic transmission, I want one so bad, manual is great, no problem with it, but it would be even better if I don't have to shift. Manual is for the track, drifting and overall for fun, but for driving in town, yeah no... it's not annoying, but it's not chill either. For a bike, I don't understand what's the problem with manual, it makes no meaningful difference really.
@@rattlehead999 Entirely depends on the individual. The extra hassle of shifting is not a nuisance for people who like the experience. Driving a manual, it's nice to just sit there and do nothing but hit the gas or brake, but to me it feels boring and not like I'm really driving. I prefer to have more control rather than less over my vehicle.
@@mobilemarshall As I said when you are having fun manual is the best, but when you are just getting from point A to point B in heavy traffic, it's not annoying, but it'd be much nicer if it didn't exist. And then the cluth has to be replaced and that takes me quite some time to replace it and now with newer cars it's a nightmare as they make it so that you basically have to take the engine and gearbox out of the car otherwise it's complete hell to replace the clutch.
@@rattlehead999 Having fun and getting to point B are not mutually exclusive. Some people are different from yourself, as hard as it may be to believe for you.
Extraordinary graphics and design, a top notch presentation! I really wish Shimano had the belt-driven option too as they require no lubrication and do not attract dirt and dust like chains do. It's so great they care about quality and great designs for a Green Generation!
The automatic-shifting just seems like an addon (replacment for the cable actuator) that would fit all shimano inter hubs. But a 5-speed hub could be interesting if it is as efficient as the good old P5 aka. Pentasport from Sachs/Sram
I think it would be great in a e belt driven bike, bc with belt drive there has always been the problem of shifting so you had to have an internal drive and here you have an automatic one
@@eXTreemator this one happened during the late 90's early 2000's. I guess when Shimano conjured up the nexus system, they thought of it as an integrated system that would ultimately replace the rear derailleur. Being "bombproof" means it's made to last wirh minimal to no maintenance whatsoever perfect for the target market of casual cyclists who has a very low inkling og bicycle maintenance.
Because I ride lots of hills I decided to count how many times I shifted on a normal ride & it was 300 + - times. At 3-4 days a week times months etc I’d worry about the longer term wear & tear & ultimate reliability. Currently the maintenance for my derailleur, shifter & cables is a piece of cake but I do love innovation & am sure it will only get better over time but I’ll wait.
Almost? These bicycles aren't gonna give you sever road rash. Motorcycles are defined by their speed and weight classification. Danger is exponential to speed. If anything mopeds 'are almost motorcycle'.
@@truantray Solar race cars do not use mechanical gear reducers or anything like that. Mechanical transmissions are too lossy, too much friction. Electric passenger cars still use mechanical differentials and speed reducers.
Nonsense, it will be a clean component replacement. Example, most modern cars today, if you drop a rod, its no longer a lower end rebuild, its a clean crate engine replacement.
@@UncleFjester I have an issue with that logic and I dont think you're at fault. Shimano has to take the majority of the blame. I fix broken stuff. That's my job. Shimano doesnt offer small parts for some of these repairs to force us into replacing the whole unit.
@@buttcheek7433 it would be useful to have it downshift above a certain torque at the cranks. The purpose of gearing is (broadly) to manage the torque required to turn the cranks at a reasonable rate.
Maybe it's dumb question, but wouldn't it break faster because of rider doesn't push less whyle changing gears? Or it can do gear changes with full sprinting on pedals with no regrets?
@@AlejandroRamirez-le2vv classic gearing is too complicated. There are even special video lessons how to shift. Glad that I use planetary hub, which can be shifted any to any, at anytime. And no unusable combinations.
@@enosunim I don't find shifting complicated at all. You go easier or harder on your legs, sometimes up, sometimes down, and you pedal at the same time. What is complicated there?
@@FirefighterBobby you can not pedal while you are stay in place = ) And you cannot pedal backwards for example. If you ride in town, on every crossroads, had to adjust gears before you come there. If you had accidentally stopped it is hard to start again, and you cannot lower gear until you move, but you can not move easily if gear is too high. If it is easy for you, I am ok with that. But I prefer change any gear to any gear only by rotating a lever, without pedaling and waiting for a right moment.
I have that on my bike and i use it when i want to take it chill, to work in morning usually i have manual mode on cause it is more exact and better in a hurry. The automatic mode needs to be used and kind of teached to ur cadence and style and it gets better after a while when u get use to it. All shifting is electric on these hub bikes.
I have this on a recumbent trike along with the e6100 Steps motor and it is ok for urban stop and go riding, but not so great on the road. Hard to keep a constant cadence when there is 28% gear steps. Also, shifting is not so refined. 1st to 2nd is usually smooth, but the other 3 don't always seem to engage fully and you hear and feel a very loud "snap" occur seconds after shifting. It does have total manual mode or you can always initiate an up or down shift similar to what you can do in your car using the paddles. When doing this in auto mode, it does try to learn your style of riding and does adjust the auto shift points. One thing that bugs me though is how slow it is to complete the shift after pushing the button, a full 2 seconds. I have tried to stop pedaling on these shifts but doesn't help. My last gripe will be the indecisiveness in shifts that randomly occur when your speed slows down and getting near a shift point. It doesn't actually shift, but it feels and sounds like it shifts down and then back up. Annoying. Would I spec this hub gear again...nope. Rohloff is nice, but not if you do alot of shifting. Give me an Ultegra 11x30 cassette with di2 shifting any day.
So you replace it and sell the broken one for parts that the repair people need. Most people don't use their gears properly. Most people will enjoy riding a lot more in the right gear. Even if it costs them more. ;)
I'm just 17 yo but I feel like the typical boomer when I say that I really don't want these. Everything gets electrified today, but I'm a big fan of pure mechanical systems and therefore I will always prefer my 3x9 chain shifting. Also I think that automatic gear shifting on a bycicle will be just as it is with cars really annoying when you want to go a little bit faster or sportier than normal.
I'm also 17 and think this is great. You can always look back to the past and dream about simpler times, but this product isn't meant for you if your still holding on to a 3x9 system. For new riders looking to get an e-bike this will give them a pedal and go experience. It ain't system for racers, but it could help get more people on bikes which is always a nice thing.
@@desertrainfrog1691 depends on how long it'll last. A mechanic shifting system that's open to all kinds of grid will probably not last as long as this integrated shifting system.
Given the fact it's 5-speed innerhub i guess it will be intended for commuters or city-bikes, so there is no point to cry about how it ruins the feel or sportyness of manual shifting. It seems most bikes in those categories get pedalassist electric motors and pairing auto-shift and e-assist will make a beast of a bike, for getting around the city for average Joe. On the other hand, it will be hard to justify spending so much money on the everyday street-parked city-beater bike.
@@arthursnoeck An internal hub is a good idea. After riding a derailleur for 40 year I went to an internal hub and will never switch back. But a 5 gear automatic is something for e-bikes. I changed my cadence from 90 to 100 something that is impossible with an automatic. For many users which just want to get from A to B this is okay. IMHO if it gets more people on a bike I like it but it's nothing for me.
Amazing Engineering 👏 That said, the reliability would concern me in terms of staying on the trail in times of adversity should it fail. No hack and bodge I feel will work 😁. I'm sure it comes guaranteed, but again time of the trail while you wait for a complex repair. K.I.S.S. works best in my opinion. Especially out in the Woods. 🙂🙃
On the contrary, these internal gearboxes are incredibly reliable and last forever. The main thing that wears out a standard transmission is all the sand that sticks to it. Not a problem with a sealed system.
And how hard is it to change a gear these days? It's not like a car where you need to co-ordinate a clutch. I've never felt 'stressed' changing gears on a bicycle, in fact, it's probably one of the least stress-inducing things that can happen.
@@MattExzy - exactly & it becomes muscle memory & almost an unconscious habit to manually change gears. I am very particular about my gear selection matching my peddling cadence as I keep it very consistent, obvious exceptions noted.
3 speed hubs are still available and there is a plethora of multi geared hubs from various manufacturers. This is the latest from Shimano catering to the electric bike market.
Making something that tries to recreate what a motor bike does, with a higher price than a motor bike, and more limited "power" than the most basic motor bike (internal combustion or electrical). They are forgetting the first advantage of a bicycle is it's simplicity.
My Bike does this since 2014. It has an automatic Transmission, based on centrifugal force in the hub. For E-Bikers this is a good idea, because they always are in to high gears. They just can't shift properly. So, good move.
They are in too high gears because they barely put any force on the pedal. When riding at 50W and letting the motor give you the remaining 400W, it is more confortable to ride a very low cadence
@@swe223 Yeah, bit for the transmission and motor, that's overkill. I've seen many e bikes getting smoked on steep inclines. (I live in the Alps and was talking about the behavior in the mountains)
@@desertrainfrog1691 Cassettes and derailers get sooo nasty and dirty. Pain to clean. It is easier to enclose the chain when it doesnt have a derailer.
@@difflocktwo They aren't a pain to clean if you keep them relatively tidy in the first place. Don't overlube and regularly maintain your equipment. The derailleur is really the best shifting system available for bikes right now.
With this device I immediately thought of installing it without a chain in a scooter which of course can be built without an electric motor. then you would have a scooter with a gearbox that would be really cool for driving uphill. does anyone here know whether this could be implemented? by scooter I mean scooters with bicycle wheels and at least 20 inches or even larger. :))
Does not need a learning function. Just set the the amount of energy you feel comfortable expending on the pedals, and the automatic shifter will give you the best speed. So if 50 watts is my energy level, it will choose the gear that keeps my output to 50 watts.
I feel like this is why electric motorcycles have been so underwhelming. Unless you're into power sports, why bother with a huge heavy beast that requires another certification to operate legally when you can just buy an ebike? You don't even need a garage!
@@UncleFjester I have a license and a car, but I cycle 14 miles (each way, 28 miles total) to work every day because I train for road bike races. I try to bike at LEAST 150 miles each week and this ensures that I do 140 before my long ride with friends on the weekend (usually between 40 and 60 miles). I want to get a motorcycle license, but I gotta pick a bike first and electric is cooler than gas in my opinion. That's all great for the off-season, but when I'm actually trying to stick to a training schedule I need to save my legs for more intense workouts. Having an e-bike would allow me to still spend more hours in the saddle but have fresh legs for real workouts.
That's funny, I did that for decades. Take off from a red light in 1st gear and get to 3rd by 15mph for flat land cruise. Stick/automatic now is your choice. [All done in low range front sprocket.]
My mum doesn't want to express herself through her riding, she just wants to get some fresh air while she rides her e-bike to work. This product is aimed at people like her, not cycling enthusiasts.
@@Finnspin_unicycles My wife isn't an enthusiast and she picked it up in two three days. It's a lot of extra complexity you'll need to pay someone to fix down the track mind you.
The basic concept of the bicycle may be simple, but it doesn't mean you can't create complicated things to make things simpler for the rider. The mechanics are going to have a field day with these though.
Well planetary hubs are making life simpler. Not automated of course. As there are no complicated gear shifters. Just one cord, one gear on each side, and a strong and simple chain. Like a single speed. But with several gears. Very weatherproof, very serviceless. Unlike the 'classic' gears with thin and unreliable chains and shifters. This product is just marketing bs, I agree.
@@enosunim well, i dont know what kind of components are you using on your bike, actually. As an mtb boy myself, i prefer strong and reliable Shimano. Never a problem i could not fix by the road side. The thing here is, perhaps im not made for those kind of stuffs
@@Archer-op9cp I use something that may be called a cargo bike. It is a simple road bike(single speed in nature), which has Alexrims dh rims, Shchwalbe punctureproof tires(or winter marathon in winter), it has forward and back luggage places, SA drum handbrake hubs, rear with 5 planetary gears. I never wash my bike or clean chain. Only change chain once in a year. I use Eni motorbike lube in spray for chain, once in a month or two. Ride it everyday in any weather conditions. Transfer my kid to kinder garden, goods from shops, some stuff for my job, you name it. Using additional cart I move furniture and so one. One year my bike took a lot of time outside in rain or snow, does not matter. And planetary hub had no dirt or water after two years of usage. And I also had never a problem which was needed to be fixed right away, some minor things happened once in a while, but it does not affect riding process. Recently I have added outside motor 350w on forward luggage place, and also SA 3 speed planetary gear on forward wheel, which I use to climb hills or to accelerate, or when I transfer some heavy load. Added one more chain, some more weight. Before that I used Inter 3 hub, it is not so much dirt resistant, but it lasted for 3 years, and still was usable, with minor defects, I serviced it every half a year. SA hubs also not very complicated, so I can service them myself as Inter 3 hub. I would not be able to do such bike on classic gearing. It would die quickly in such conditions, and I would had to service it very often, which I have no time for.
This would be great if it actually worked as pictured here. In my experience with a cargo bike, there is a significant snap at most gear changes unless I stop pedalling. That can't be good for the gears and clearly defies the concept of automatic shifting.
great for e-bikes, NOT E-MTB's! too heavy, will not stand up to punishing mountain terrain. Transmission should be incorporated in or directly behind the motor to save and centralize weight.
It being too heavy has absolutely nothing to do with it. A e mountain bike already weighs 45 pounds. An extra like 200 grams ain’t gonna kill ya. But yes Shimano doesn’t recommend it for MTB use, it’s more for commuters.
@@difflocktwo Hahahaha, what nonsense. Did you really write that? I can see you have commented similarly on other posts. Were it not for the human tendency to play, cycles along with everything else humans have invented would not exist. Stop being so serious and pull your head out of your bottom. Only someone fully in the grip of modernity could write such crap.
@@daveparsons6956 bro shut up, it‘s mainly for efficency and i also think maybe belt drive is really great on this, bc belt drive bikes always need an internal system and here you have an automatic one
@@iwillwatchyourbacknooneels7850 Hohoho..... Internal hub gears are the least efficient, it'a nothing to do with efficiency, it's a marketing led decision. Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting piece of technology but another example of an over-complex answer to a non-existent problem. Not sure what you are trying to say regards the second point, it seems you're saying belt drives are great because they need an internal hub geared system. I don't follow that reasoning at all, because there isn't any to follow bro.....
@@daveparsons6956 bruh u dumb i said that in general autimatic transmissions are there for efficiency and ease to drive like in cars, cars with automatic transmissions have better miles per gallon and waste in general less energy, so this system for an electric bike would certantly increase range and for belt drive i didnt mean that they are great because they use internal gear hub i said this is a great solution for a problem that many belt drive bikes have… so dont come here with ur bitchy attitude
Lol I work in a factory that makes these, I can clearly see the part I'm machining. Nice to see it being introduced to the market.
i'd be real proud of myself if i was you.
@@legrandd.4870 eh I'm actually quitting next month. The pay is shit and working 5 cnc machines for 12 hours a day is soulcrushing.
@@legrandd.4870 The engineering may be great, but the factories assembly lines are brutal sweatshops.
@@Radimkiller where is this factory, which country
@@raaedirfan7288 czechia
I know this takes away a huge aspect of cycling, riding a bicycle with auto gear shifting will probably feel really weird... but you have to admit, that this is a pretty cool gem in terms of engineering and technology!
It will find a good place with e-bike consumers, I'm sure.
Been around for some time already. N5 is a comeback however. Personally i really dislike automatic shifting on bikes. Shimano lets you decide if its auto or manual by pressing an up or down button. So thats good.
It's development but not on cycling industry....give the idea to motorcycle manufacturers
Not great for 'leisure cyclists' but great for people who cycle just to get about.
@@calebmaengwe6127 Do you know anything about motorcycles? Or are you just gatekeeping cycling? Why would you want to cram an automatic motorcycle gearbox into the wheel hub when auto motorcycles already exist?
SRAM: Shifting with no cables
Shimano: Shifting with no shifter
Hell ye
Enviolo: hold my beer
Hipsters: no shifting at all.
Single speed: Shifting but no
@@Sidowse Is the point of the internet for every single wanker to complain about bike part manufacturers? SPD will never catch on.
The bike mechanics' job at the local shop now requires a two year cert from an online tech institute. (It's sarcasm on the internet. You'll figure it out.)
Naw. It's now like the Mac genius bar. Any problem is now a $1,200 full replacement.
@@cajames1 lol I guess that would be in line with MNCs trend of an even less sustainable, more profitable business model. I'll stick with my slx that survived 5 wrecks in two miles today. 😅
for minimum wage
It’s funny that it’s such a foreign concept to you. In Germany, being a bike mechanic is considered a craft trade, and as such requires an apprenticeship of 3 years.
@@dismiggo Is it foreign to me or was I making a sarcastic comment in relation to the new shimano product? 😂
For people riding e-bikes this is some real clean engineering by Shimano , always love a new tech from Shimano
@Dream. Totally. Only after a few weeks of commuting by ebike it takes some time to get used to clumsy clutches and gears. Single speed, direct drive, electric is the way to go. Going is easier and even braking is easier and maintenance is easier and the bike is cleaner.
@@difflocktwo turn on your sarcasm filter.
@@difflocktwo I’ve got both, a single speed belt drive ebike and a 10 speed Deore ebike. I think they both have their uses and neither really beats the other, but yes I do use the single speed way more often. An ebike honestly really has no use for all the lower gears.
@@tenzingmingmar1424 Yeah, electric motors basically make it so you are always riding on flat ground or even downhill and you don't really need multiple gears for that.
@@difflocktwo it's about efficiency
Nice job Shimano, been really enjoying my ebike with your parts. Keep making them even better
This is amazing. It would be beyond perfect if it had a belt drive option, no chain maintenance and much cleaner.
..and with no sound !!😊😊
belt is not forever , particularly for e bike
@@makantahi3731 neither is chain..
you can simply install any fitting sprocket you like on a nexus. the hub comes without any sprocket as a single part. the belt drive sprocket will cost you way more thou
I'm still very decisive about the belt technology. I have seen it trending these days and saw a comparison to the chain model.
Do you use it yourself and is it really that much better? It said, it's suitable more for rough terrain, but not everyday city biking.
Good luck to anyone who jumps into the first generation of this hub. With the torque that some bikes make, those planetary gears are toast.
what if, they have neat trick when it over certain torque it will shift to lighter gear?
This was great and probably the most advanced tech in bikes I have seen to date.
Seems like stacked rear hub to me :D
It makes good sense when it's mated with a mid drive motor. Clever bit of engineering!
i'm running nexus 4 on a bbshd, do you know the price?
Impressive, it will find its way through doubters soon.
love that it resets when stopped super cool function
Well, like any other planetary hub. You can switch any gear to any gear any time. Not when some dumb electronics decide to.
Given the fact it's 5-speed innerhub i guess it will be intended for commuters or city-bikes, so there is no point to cry about how it ruins the feel or sportyness of manual shifting. It seems most bikes in those categories get pedalassist electric motors and pairing auto-shift and e-assist will make a beast of a bike, for getting around the city for average Joe. On the other hand, it will be hard to justify spending so much money on the everyday street-parked city-beater bike.
very cool gearbox I like it! you know when it needs repairs that cost is gonna feel like a kick in the nuts though.
@ASSAULT ON ASPHALT most pro bikes allready use electronic shifting (see shimano DI2) and power-meters, so from technical point making it automatic wouldn't need new hardware. Yet rules and regulations likely would prohibit such devices
@@seveger Pro should never be the standard.
@@kalijasin Did I say anything about how we should accept pro as standard?
@ASSAULT ON ASPHALT well, as I've said this product is not for enthusiasts, but for commuters. And here is the point: you can be more than capable to use manual transmission, you just don't care. For example my mom: she started driving in the 80's Russia, so she can drive not just manual transmission cars, but manual choked, she laughed when our 17y/old neighbor told her about drifting, cause winter driving in Russia is all about inertia and grip management. Yet in day-to-day live she just don't want to give a crap about it, and says that best thing happened when we moved in to the city, where is no need to drive or have a car.
Shimano humble god keep it up👍 cuz i can only afford shimano thank you, hoping all the best 👍
In my Xiaomi Qicycle I am using the Nexus Inter 3 and it is a marvel ... going from 3 to 5 gears would be a pass. The good thing about this system is its almost zero maintenance, visual simplicity, protection against impacts and gear changes while standing still. Greetings
Until it breaks, and you have to open it :)
Except when you bike in the rain and moist gets in. No matter how sealed it is moist and dirt will get in.
@@allaboutcuteness53 internal geared hubs exist for a long time, they are very reliable.
You know, technology exists to stop moist and dirt from getting into things. Like boat engines, car gearboxes and stuff like that which is in contact with moist and dirt all the time and works for tens of years.
@Poal Dotco Hey what's up with that wheel humming? Gotta get that fixed! Hahahaha! Ok, maybe use smooth slick tires and you can reduce the humming if you really wanted to make it quieter.
@@allaboutcuteness53 apparently you missed the concept of seals.
How convenient auto shift while riding a bike 😅 ossum
Shimano doing what it does best. Pretty nice man i like how the angle of terrain commands gear change too. This will be popular among older cyclists pretty fast :)
Cyclists with deeeeep pockets
@@coolguy1930 Gives alternatives
@@russellprout723 come to the Netherlands, buy a bike for 50€
@@coolguy1930 nobody if forcing you to buy this one though
stress of shifting? when i grew up you had to find your gear on the downtube. don't think that is for older riders, rather for spoilt lil rich kids that already have everything. i rather buy an e bike:-)
I would only get something like this with a Gates Carbon Belt Drive. I have a Specialized Globe Live 3 with an 8-speed Shimano Alfine IGH and a Gates Carbon Belt Drive and it works well, I love it!
Is this a sarcastic take on tech babble?
@@celticwinter lmfao totally sounds like it but nope…
@@celticwinter this is the language they speak in the future where belts are on every ebike hehe
Automatic transmissions for bicycles... wow, this is amazing.
Next will be pedalless bike. And at last autopiloted selfdriven bike.
Tesla bike inbound. ; ) @@enosunim
i ride a bicycle from 1985 with 1 rim brake and 1 gear.
gets me from a to be since then and probably will forever.
But you NEED this, bro! ; )
I'm sorry. But, this is the first time i watch about this and this is kinda cool, like "wow, a bike now can use dual clutch transmission" 😂
It's just a normal internally geared hub, but instead of a lever pulling the cable, an electric motor does the job. Nothing exciting there.
@@Finnspin_unicycles yeah, maybe i'm just too excited because it was the first time i saw it in animation 😂
The music is like you're in the main menu of a game ... Dope
Probably a good product but lord forbid they actually talk through the detail, benefits, and designed use cases.
The video kind of speaks for itself.
this is meant as a presentation of concept i suspect.
why is everyone in a hurry? you know someone is going to have an unpacking video on it and someone else is going to take it all apart melt it and build a knife.
just chill :}
There are no benefits compared with a gear hub motor at all.
When i was i child, i was amazed by automatic vehicles. After experiencing biking, manual is the way to go.
As a person who has never driven a car with an automatic transmission, I want one so bad, manual is great, no problem with it, but it would be even better if I don't have to shift. Manual is for the track, drifting and overall for fun, but for driving in town, yeah no... it's not annoying, but it's not chill either.
For a bike, I don't understand what's the problem with manual, it makes no meaningful difference really.
@@rattlehead999 Entirely depends on the individual. The extra hassle of shifting is not a nuisance for people who like the experience. Driving a manual, it's nice to just sit there and do nothing but hit the gas or brake, but to me it feels boring and not like I'm really driving. I prefer to have more control rather than less over my vehicle.
@@mobilemarshall As I said when you are having fun manual is the best, but when you are just getting from point A to point B in heavy traffic, it's not annoying, but it'd be much nicer if it didn't exist.
And then the cluth has to be replaced and that takes me quite some time to replace it and now with newer cars it's a nightmare as they make it so that you basically have to take the engine and gearbox out of the car otherwise it's complete hell to replace the clutch.
@@rattlehead999 Having fun and getting to point B are not mutually exclusive. Some people are different from yourself, as hard as it may be to believe for you.
Extraordinary graphics and design, a top notch presentation! I really wish Shimano had the belt-driven option too as they require no lubrication and do not attract dirt and dust like chains do. It's so great they care about quality and great designs for a Green Generation!
This hub comes on the new Bullitt ep8 cargo bike and has a belt option!
Shimano has always been the best
The automatic-shifting just seems like an addon (replacment for the cable actuator) that would fit all shimano inter hubs.
But a 5-speed hub could be interesting if it is as efficient as the good old P5 aka. Pentasport from Sachs/Sram
I think it would be great in a e belt driven bike, bc with belt drive there has always been the problem of shifting so you had to have an internal drive and here you have an automatic one
Amazing idea considering it's saving your knees, and shifts according to speed.
Now we’re going to start having automatic vs manual debates for our bikes! I prefer a manual myself.
I prefer whatever I can buy
I bet you would so, I'll send him right over Loverboy..😂
Some people are so talented to be designing these things
These things were first tested in the pro downhill series by Mike King before they came out so you know they're bombproof.
What's the point of it being bombproof. And since when downhill became transmission's test
@@eXTreemator this one happened during the late 90's early 2000's. I guess when Shimano conjured up the nexus system, they thought of it as an integrated system that would ultimately replace the rear derailleur. Being "bombproof" means it's made to last wirh minimal to no maintenance whatsoever perfect for the target market of casual cyclists who has a very low inkling og bicycle maintenance.
Because I ride lots of hills I decided to count how many times I shifted on a normal ride & it was 300 + - times.
At 3-4 days a week times months etc I’d worry about the longer term wear & tear & ultimate reliability.
Currently the maintenance for my derailleur, shifter & cables is a piece of cake but I do love innovation & am sure it will only get better over time but I’ll wait.
Been riding with Nexus7, Nexus8 and a Rohloff...i love the shifting... smooth and responsive.
we are once again reaching levels where bicycles become so advanced that companies realise they are almost making motorcycles again
Almost? These bicycles aren't gonna give you sever road rash. Motorcycles are defined by their speed and weight classification. Danger is exponential to speed. If anything mopeds 'are almost motorcycle'.
Japan. Killing it again. If all is good in the world, there are nerds who will put this on an XC MTB.
Not gonna lie, I thought about doing this before I saw your comment. ; )
I want to build my next mid drive ebike with this
Might want to tie it all together with a Gates belt drive, too.
You want to clutter the absolute mechanical simplicity of an electric motor with a bunch of gears?
mid drives suck. you need at least a 5000 watt mid drive to get any decent acceleration
@Mathias Ljündberg damn so it takes a liter bike to make your fatass go? I can see why you need the exercise lmao
@Mathias Ljünd 73kg. how did you lose your license?
O legal é que uma bike simples continua com as mesmas características original,e o fato de trocar de marcha,com a bike parada,ponto pra Shimano.
My grandpa's 40 yo bicycle is still in a great condition. My shimano gears are worn out and have to be replaced every 3-4 years
You need to think that through.
Yeah, that is why using Shimano causes stress = )
The future of bikes
I knew this day was coming but I still can't believe it's here. Next step is for regular bikes to have automatic shifting to the most efficient gear.
Gears are not efficient, they actually add drag. You can see in solar cars that they do not use mechanical transmissions, they cannot afford the drag.
@@difflocktwo wut? Electric cars don't use transmission gears because electric motors have max torque starting at 1 rpm.
@@truantray Solar race cars do not use mechanical gear reducers or anything like that. Mechanical transmissions are too lossy, too much friction.
Electric passenger cars still use mechanical differentials and speed reducers.
This is great! The bicycle industry still has a lot to learn from the auto industry.
Yes, next will be a fuel engine!
I am studying this video as I know I'll be repairing these shortly.
Nonsense, it will be a clean component replacement.
Example, most modern cars today, if you drop a rod, its no longer a lower end rebuild, its a clean crate engine replacement.
@@UncleFjester I have an issue with that logic and I dont think you're at fault. Shimano has to take the majority of the blame. I fix broken stuff. That's my job. Shimano doesnt offer small parts for some of these repairs to force us into replacing the whole unit.
@@Lifesvagabond you can probably use 3d printing tech to replace small moving parts.
Bahahaha. No you won't...you'll just order a new one.
@@icas80 I guess you're from the throw away generation.
this is an amazing tecnology in bicycles
🤩🤩🤩
usefulness of the product aside, you had to admit this is a pretty impressive video
so like can you select max torque with the shifting or no?
what?
@@buttcheek7433 it would be useful to have it downshift above a certain torque at the cranks. The purpose of gearing is (broadly) to manage the torque required to turn the cranks at a reasonable rate.
@@armadillito I know how it works he just said it oddly
👍Good inovation & best quality shimano
シマノのギアは最高だなぁ👍
Maybe it's dumb question, but wouldn't it break faster because of rider doesn't push less whyle changing gears? Or it can do gear changes with full sprinting on pedals with no regrets?
I have never found shifting to be "stressful"
Stress is in using Shimano components, not in shifting itself = )
It's stressful seeing people struggle with shifting lol Especially if you're riding with them and have to stop when going uphill to help them lol
@@AlejandroRamirez-le2vv classic gearing is too complicated. There are even special video lessons how to shift. Glad that I use planetary hub, which can be shifted any to any, at anytime. And no unusable combinations.
@@enosunim I don't find shifting complicated at all. You go easier or harder on your legs, sometimes up, sometimes down, and you pedal at the same time. What is complicated there?
@@FirefighterBobby you can not pedal while you are stay in place = ) And you cannot pedal backwards for example. If you ride in town, on every crossroads, had to adjust gears before you come there. If you had accidentally stopped it is hard to start again, and you cannot lower gear until you move, but you can not move easily if gear is too high. If it is easy for you, I am ok with that. But I prefer change any gear to any gear only by rotating a lever, without pedaling and waiting for a right moment.
I have the 8 on my ebike.Works Flawlessly with a gear sensor.Would buy it again.
What about combining it with a 5 speed casette, effectively making it a 25 speed, that would be double of the 11 speed we have now
Shimano: hold my beer.
I bet your razor has 8 blades.
That's what I thought too, hell add a double crankset
@@truantray Only 1 blade, its called a streight razor 🤣
WHY?
I have that on my bike and i use it when i want to take it chill, to work in morning usually i have manual mode on cause it is more exact and better in a hurry. The automatic mode needs to be used and kind of teached to ur cadence and style and it gets better after a while when u get use to it. All shifting is electric on these hub bikes.
I'm a simple man. Wherever I read "automatic shifting" I'm in.
Shimano sold me with the future techno house trance
Now even the bikes are going for automatic transmissios as cars in the US
I have this on a recumbent trike along with the e6100 Steps motor and it is ok for urban stop and go riding, but not so great on the road. Hard to keep a constant cadence when there is 28% gear steps. Also, shifting is not so refined. 1st to 2nd is usually smooth, but the other 3 don't always seem to engage fully and you hear and feel a very loud "snap" occur seconds after shifting.
It does have total manual mode or you can always initiate an up or down shift similar to what you can do in your car using the paddles. When doing this in auto mode, it does try to learn your style of riding and does adjust the auto shift points. One thing that bugs me though is how slow it is to complete the shift after pushing the button, a full 2 seconds. I have tried to stop pedaling on these shifts but doesn't help.
My last gripe will be the indecisiveness in shifts that randomly occur when your speed slows down and getting near a shift point. It doesn't actually shift, but it feels and sounds like it shifts down and then back up. Annoying.
Would I spec this hub gear again...nope. Rohloff is nice, but not if you do alot of shifting. Give me an Ultegra 11x30 cassette with di2 shifting any day.
Repair cost and finding a tech will be crazy expensive.
you made reaserch already?
So you replace it and sell the broken one for parts that the repair people need. Most people don't use their gears properly. Most people will enjoy riding a lot more in the right gear. Even if it costs them more. ;)
Old folks would love this
The gearbox please. Stop making us wait.
With batteries getting so cheap, we need less and less mechanical complexity. Bicycles are being replaced with electric bicycles.
Oh yea, it was amazingly explained, I will use this video to explain my friends and audience.
How marketing works? = )
Uma coisa que eu queria ver a bastante tempo... Resta aguardar uma versão de MTB, do jeito que está, 9 marchas já é um bom começo.
Excellent graphics 👍👍👍
I'm just 17 yo but I feel like the typical boomer when I say that I really don't want these. Everything gets electrified today, but I'm a big fan of pure mechanical systems and therefore I will always prefer my 3x9 chain shifting. Also I think that automatic gear shifting on a bycicle will be just as it is with cars really annoying when you want to go a little bit faster or sportier than normal.
I'm also 17 and think this is great. You can always look back to the past and dream about simpler times, but this product isn't meant for you if your still holding on to a 3x9 system. For new riders looking to get an e-bike this will give them a pedal and go experience. It ain't system for racers, but it could help get more people on bikes which is always a nice thing.
@@Max-ek6nn I just don't see the point, shifting on a bike is so natural and easy. Why overcomplicate it?
@@desertrainfrog1691 depends on how long it'll last. A mechanic shifting system that's open to all kinds of grid will probably not last as long as this integrated shifting system.
Given the fact it's 5-speed innerhub i guess it will be intended for commuters or city-bikes, so there is no point to cry about how it ruins the feel or sportyness of manual shifting. It seems most bikes in those categories get pedalassist electric motors and pairing auto-shift and e-assist will make a beast of a bike, for getting around the city for average Joe. On the other hand, it will be hard to justify spending so much money on the everyday street-parked city-beater bike.
@@arthursnoeck An internal hub is a good idea. After riding a derailleur for 40 year I went to an internal hub and will never switch back. But a 5 gear automatic is something for e-bikes. I changed my cadence from 90 to 100 something that is impossible with an automatic.
For many users which just want to get from A to B this is okay. IMHO if it gets more people on a bike I like it but it's nothing for me.
It works also for non-electric bikes ?
gorgeous graphics that really didn't explain much
Most people do not know that planetary systems even exists. Well at least Shimano managers thought that.
thanks for the visual experience
Amazing Engineering 👏
That said, the reliability would concern me in terms of staying on the trail in times of adversity should it fail. No hack and bodge I feel will work 😁.
I'm sure it comes guaranteed, but again time of the trail while you wait for a complex repair. K.I.S.S. works best in my opinion.
Especially out in the Woods. 🙂🙃
These will only end up getting put on overpriced comfort/city bikes.
Guessing internal plastic gears that would wear & break faster than metal.
On the contrary, these internal gearboxes are incredibly reliable and last forever. The main thing that wears out a standard transmission is all the sand that sticks to it. Not a problem with a sealed system.
And how hard is it to change a gear these days? It's not like a car where you need to co-ordinate a clutch. I've never felt 'stressed' changing gears on a bicycle, in fact, it's probably one of the least stress-inducing things that can happen.
@@MattExzy - exactly & it becomes muscle memory & almost an unconscious habit to manually change gears. I am very particular about my gear selection matching my peddling cadence as I keep it very consistent, obvious exceptions noted.
I hope this comes into new 2022 hi end Ebikes. Cmom Shimano push it to the manufactures.
Bela obra de engenharia!
We had auto-shifting 3 speed hubs 50 years ago
3 speed hubs are still available and there is a plethora of multi geared hubs from various manufacturers.
This is the latest from Shimano catering to the electric bike market.
I don't find shifting stressful. I find paying hundreds extra for tech stressful.
Intelligent drum and bass reprezent!
Making something that tries to recreate what a motor bike does, with a higher price than a motor bike, and more limited "power" than the most basic motor bike (internal combustion or electrical). They are forgetting the first advantage of a bicycle is it's simplicity.
Yes! Simplicity counts. Can we say that this hub adds sissyplicity¿
They are morphing bicycles into electric motorcycles for the growing crowd of lazy people who don't want to sweat.
@@truantray triggered cyclist mad because everyone is faster than him
My Bike does this since 2014. It has an automatic Transmission, based on centrifugal force in the hub.
For E-Bikers this is a good idea, because they always are in to high gears. They just can't shift properly.
So, good move.
They are in too high gears because they barely put any force on the pedal. When riding at 50W and letting the motor give you the remaining 400W, it is more confortable to ride a very low cadence
@@swe223 Yeah, bit for the transmission and motor, that's overkill. I've seen many e bikes getting smoked on steep inclines. (I live in the Alps and was talking about the behavior in the mountains)
I think it would be cost effective to build a bike with a pedal than converting a cycle to a bike
A nice application of planetary gears.
I like to shift manually, it's the fun part.
Not on defaileurs tho. LOL
@@GordoGambler on everything lol
@@GordoGambler Defaileurs? They've been on bikes for the last several decades for a reason, they're simple and work well when they're setup properly.
@@desertrainfrog1691 Cassettes and derailers get sooo nasty and dirty. Pain to clean. It is easier to enclose the chain when it doesnt have a derailer.
@@difflocktwo They aren't a pain to clean if you keep them relatively tidy in the first place. Don't overlube and regularly maintain your equipment. The derailleur is really the best shifting system available for bikes right now.
nice, now I need skid mode on my bike
With this device I immediately thought of installing it without a chain in a scooter which of course can be built without an electric motor. then you would have a scooter with a gearbox that would be really cool for driving uphill. does anyone here know whether this could be implemented? by scooter I mean scooters with bicycle wheels and at least 20 inches or even larger. :))
Sounds like a nice DIY project! Let us know when you have your working prototype?
I bet nothing can beat manual shifting... It's more faster/accurate moreover fun on open highways to play around with....
at this point, I'm thinking about switching to motorbike instead.
it's partial exercise is for people with slight disabilities who cant ride full bikes.
@@jpval3484 All the old and "disabled" folks I've seen go full assistant, no actual bike riding effort at all, so he's right.
Does not need a learning function. Just set the the amount of energy you feel comfortable expending on the pedals, and the automatic shifter will give you the best speed. So if 50 watts is my energy level, it will choose the gear that keeps my output to 50 watts.
That's not how humans produce power..
Whatever, Shimano. Where's the 12 speed Dura-Ace?
18 speed Dura Ace will be with you in near future.
With a 50T PIE plate?? LOL hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa
I think the pro's have been riding on it, sure some bikes were spotted at the TDF with 12spd
This seems like the perfect tech to combine with the Gates carbon belt drive. Yet only chain used in video.
Chain is much cheaper.
I feel like this is why electric motorcycles have been so underwhelming. Unless you're into power sports, why bother with a huge heavy beast that requires another certification to operate legally when you can just buy an ebike? You don't even need a garage!
more comfort, speed, range.
Life is so hard for you, huh? Can't pass a drivers license test? 🤣😂😆
@@UncleFjester I have a license and a car, but I cycle 14 miles (each way, 28 miles total) to work every day because I train for road bike races. I try to bike at LEAST 150 miles each week and this ensures that I do 140 before my long ride with friends on the weekend (usually between 40 and 60 miles). I want to get a motorcycle license, but I gotta pick a bike first and electric is cooler than gas in my opinion.
That's all great for the off-season, but when I'm actually trying to stick to a training schedule I need to save my legs for more intense workouts. Having an e-bike would allow me to still spend more hours in the saddle but have fresh legs for real workouts.
That's funny, I did that for decades. Take off from a red light in 1st gear and get to 3rd by 15mph for flat land cruise. Stick/automatic now is your choice.
[All done in low range front sprocket.]
Nice technology, but is the whole point of a bike is simplicity.
Why not have options
@@rudygarza6410 because $5000 commuter bikes make no sense in the real world where they will get stolen in 12 minutes.
@@truantray You also have motorcycles for cheaper.
Richard Hammond once put it this way - manual shifting is a form of self expression.
My mum doesn't want to express herself through her riding, she just wants to get some fresh air while she rides her e-bike to work. This product is aimed at people like her, not cycling enthusiasts.
@@Finnspin_unicycles My wife isn't an enthusiast and she picked it up in two three days. It's a lot of extra complexity you'll need to pay someone to fix down the track mind you.
Awesome, but this betrays the meaning behind bicycles, which its SIMPLICITY
The basic concept of the bicycle may be simple, but it doesn't mean you can't create complicated things to make things simpler for the rider. The mechanics are going to have a field day with these though.
@@nekobytes9187 "make things simpler for the rider"? then buy a motorcycle
Well planetary hubs are making life simpler. Not automated of course. As there are no complicated gear shifters. Just one cord, one gear on each side, and a strong and simple chain. Like a single speed. But with several gears. Very weatherproof, very serviceless. Unlike the 'classic' gears with thin and unreliable chains and shifters.
This product is just marketing bs, I agree.
@@enosunim well, i dont know what kind of components are you using on your bike, actually. As an mtb boy myself, i prefer strong and reliable Shimano. Never a problem i could not fix by the road side. The thing here is, perhaps im not made for those kind of stuffs
@@Archer-op9cp I use something that may be called a cargo bike. It is a simple road bike(single speed in nature), which has Alexrims dh rims, Shchwalbe punctureproof tires(or winter marathon in winter), it has forward and back luggage places, SA drum handbrake hubs, rear with 5 planetary gears. I never wash my bike or clean chain. Only change chain once in a year. I use Eni motorbike lube in spray for chain, once in a month or two. Ride it everyday in any weather conditions. Transfer my kid to kinder garden, goods from shops, some stuff for my job, you name it. Using additional cart I move furniture and so one. One year my bike took a lot of time outside in rain or snow, does not matter. And planetary hub had no dirt or water after two years of usage. And I also had never a problem which was needed to be fixed right away, some minor things happened once in a while, but it does not affect riding process.
Recently I have added outside motor 350w on forward luggage place, and also SA 3 speed planetary gear on forward wheel, which I use to climb hills or to accelerate, or when I transfer some heavy load. Added one more chain, some more weight.
Before that I used Inter 3 hub, it is not so much dirt resistant, but it lasted for 3 years, and still was usable, with minor defects, I serviced it every half a year.
SA hubs also not very complicated, so I can service them myself as Inter 3 hub.
I would not be able to do such bike on classic gearing. It would die quickly in such conditions, and I would had to service it very often, which I have no time for.
Looks Awesome, can someone fix the typo though? Leaning should be learning at 1:29
not a typo
Just get a car at this point! Repairs will be about the same 🤑🤑
Bought a used Cube Touring Pro for 2700$ CDN, drops my car use in half. Ebike will more than pay for itself in longer car life 😝
I'm happy with the old 3-speed hubs, I just wish I could find a bike that still comes with one?
Gorgeous animation. But not a product for me. I like to pedal hard, and I like to see all the gears. But loved the animation.
This would be great if it actually worked as pictured here. In my experience with a cargo bike, there is a significant snap at most gear changes unless I stop pedalling. That can't be good for the gears and clearly defies the concept of automatic shifting.
Looks like a bunch of potential fail points to have to repair
Are these not produced any more?
great for e-bikes, NOT E-MTB's! too heavy, will not stand up to punishing mountain terrain. Transmission should be incorporated in or directly behind the motor to save and centralize weight.
What do you mean? Is there something similar to your thing?
It being too heavy has absolutely nothing to do with it. A e mountain bike already weighs 45 pounds. An extra like 200 grams ain’t gonna kill ya. But yes Shimano doesn’t recommend it for MTB use, it’s more for commuters.
Rohloff....
Yes for Commuter style riding this is a great product, will last for years...E-MTBs will need something different ..
@@FirefighterBobby Ron is a big time racer. He is always racing. He needs every advantage he can get.
So it's like VanMoof's system only it'll work this time and not break after 100 miles? Thank god.
You'll get 1000 :p
"The Shimano STEPS system used a leaning function". Hilarious.
Fat Joe approved
So how many parts need to be manufactured and precisely assembled to make that thing ?
Probably centillions.
Stress free shifting???? For who???? I've never felt shifting that stressful. If you do, find another pastime.
Pastime? Bicycles are for getting from A to B. This is for mobility, not for playing.
@@difflocktwo Hahahaha, what nonsense. Did you really write that? I can see you have commented similarly on other posts. Were it not for the human tendency to play, cycles along with everything else humans have invented would not exist. Stop being so serious and pull your head out of your bottom. Only someone fully in the grip of modernity could write such crap.
@@daveparsons6956 bro shut up, it‘s mainly for efficency and i also think maybe belt drive is really great on this, bc belt drive bikes always need an internal system and here you have an automatic one
@@iwillwatchyourbacknooneels7850 Hohoho..... Internal hub gears are the least efficient, it'a nothing to do with efficiency, it's a marketing led decision. Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting piece of technology but another example of an over-complex answer to a non-existent problem. Not sure what you are trying to say regards the second point, it seems you're saying belt drives are great because they need an internal hub geared system. I don't follow that reasoning at all, because there isn't any to follow bro.....
@@daveparsons6956 bruh u dumb i said that in general autimatic transmissions are there for efficiency and ease to drive like in cars, cars with automatic transmissions have better miles per gallon and waste in general less energy, so this system for an electric bike would certantly increase range and for belt drive i didnt mean that they are great because they use internal gear hub i said this is a great solution for a problem that many belt drive bikes have… so dont come here with ur bitchy attitude