Perhaps "splitting reviewers"' would have been a better title. I just didn’t want this to turn into another "it’s just bad" review because, while I wasn’t a fan, I understand that some people - albeit a minority - genuinely enjoy it as it is. Plus we’ve all heard what’s wrong with it a thousand times already, and simply echoing that wouldn't have added much to the conversation. But hey, I’m still trying to find a balance in these discussions and learning as I go. Thanks for bearing with me and the constructive feedback helps me improve!
@@shuraamano I believe its the other way around, I hated it before playing it, loved it after playing it im at 70 hours and so far it has been great. Loved DA:O, hated Inquisiton this game somehow take what is great from inquisition and DA:O lore and add a fluid combat system. but I have to agree the dialog are mostly shite but I would say its 40% shit and 60% good. its like the dialog was created by two team where 1 has no clue in writing and the other are OG dragon age writers. the overarching Story has been amazing!
This is the closest critique to my own thinking that I had seen. I played and finished Veilguard, and it's... an ok game. Problem is, it carries the legacy of the Dragon Age series, and it doesn't do justice to it. Maybe if the game was a spinoff it could had been fine, but this is the fourth entry that was 10 years in the making. And its not even close to the quality we expected.
Exactly! Worse yet, we have the heteronormative crusader brigade constantly choking any attempt at legitimate criticism regarding this absolute MESS of a game that we've got. So no matter what, EA Bioware doesn't have to answer to any outrage since they can just dismiss us Old Fans as either bigoted or Not True.
@@Gozzu9195 but if you look at the reviews, their positive reviews are just for positivity. They aren't giving an actual reasons on why it is positive. When you look at the negative reviews, they are very specific. You can actually see examples showing why its a negative. The writing, the companions, the removal of urgency, the erasure of Fereldon, the plot Which everyone agrees is subpar when compared to Previous Dragon Age, even Dragon Age 2 is better than Veilguard especially with the companions and no one can disagree about that.
@@Gozzu9195thats because after a very long learning curve and all Starwars and Marvel shows/movies, Netflix Witcher, Rings of Power, Ubisoft, Indianer Jones, Terminator, and so on and on most people have learned that the only way is you don’t buy woke crap because we are sick of the attention seeking controversy marketing strategy and then giving it a chance, just to be disappointed, have your fan heart broken and be blamed and called buzzwords for giving constructive criticism and telling them whats wrong, having feedback censored after we gave them our money and that this money is just used to do the same lame stuff again only even worse just to ruin every single franchise you once loved to a point of no return and for what? For the studios going broke slowly themselves There is no benefit in buying those games if your opinion isn’t relevant or taken in consideration. Those studios said it themselves if you don’t like it don’t buy it. Now they will fail. The worst thing they can face isn’t criticism it is carelessness from the people
@@Gozzu9195 the positive reviews are from the minority that bought the game, the majority of gamers who think it sucks didn't buy it. This is proven by the woefully low sales numbers for such a big AAA game that has a lower player count than older games in the same genre that are even now beating it.
As a gamer with disabilities, one thing I will say is that I really like the level of options I was given to ensure I could enjoy and get through the game. I played on storyteller mode and was actually confident enough to play a rogue for the first time ever. The fact that I could customize the buttons around my limitations was great. Controlling text size was nice. And I ended up really appreciating that this one, story focused difficulty included a feature called prevent death. It probably sounds stupid to most gamers. "Just youtube it, you moron." But being able to turn that on if I knew I was going to struggle with a big fight was great since I have chronic pain and doing a 10 minute fight over costs me more than 10 minutes. One of the big decisions I always have to make with a game when I go to buy it is the question of whether I think it will LET me beat it. When there is upwards of almost $100 Canadian riding on that in today's economy (for clarity, dragon age came to around $90 with tax) I have to think about that carefully. Writing, and the fact that progressive writing is currently hamstringed by the concepts of hate speech and the victimhood system of punching up and punching down, definitely took a hit. It wasn't utterly unserviceable, but there are definitely staples of Dragon Age that were missing. And this was likely due to that aspect of progressive culture far moreso than because of anything to do with pronouns, trans options, or even Taash's questline. My big issue with Taash wasn' their being non-binary. It was that I wasn't given a reasonable choice in how to react when she was implied to have called Emmerich, whom I was dating, a skullfucker.
People expect certain things from RPGs. Different things, depending on the person. Veilguard failed hard on characters and dialogue writing. If those happen to be most important to you - Veilguard sucks. If your priorities are in combat, story itself, or just chilling without much thought while playing - Veilguard is fine. For me it sucks and can't be redeemed. For someone else those problems are minor.
I'm a big fan of Dragon Age Origins and currently playing The Veilguard for the first time. I haven't finished it yet, according to the in game library I've seen about 60% of the game right now. The combat system feels strangely alike that in Assassin's Creed Valhalla, at least for me. It's allright, and from time to time I get a feeling of tension in boss fights on the hard difficult setting. I like that I get to see more places in the world of thedas, and some of the scenery is absolutely gorgeous. But often it feels rushed to me: Get a mission, visit one place you never saw before, get out, return later for the next mission. It's like in a James Bond movie, where the action feels fresh when seen in a new enviroment. What I miss is depth, a sense of world building, like for Ferelden in Origins or even Kirkwall in DA2. Further I like the companions. Most are well written. As said in the video, the voice actors are a highlight. Sometimes the wording feels to modern or seems a bit off for a fantasy setting. In Origins, Oghren was cursing by using words connectre to the setting and the dwarven culture. That is far less the case in Veilguard. Nonetheless I enjoy the game so far.
I dunno. Like, I enjoyed Veilguard. I startedcon Dragon Age Inquisition and never really played the origins or DA2. I wasn't there to fulfill a checklist of "what a Dragon Age game needs to be great". I was juat there to be invested in a story. My only upset is the lack of real Tevinter locations. We go to Minrathous but not much else.
Forking out full price for a game is not necessary to know my "wanted to like this but...". I hate this brand of half baked action combat, I hate not being able to control my companions, I hate the lore retcons and I hate the manufactured controversy and straight up abuse from the Dev team. I can tell that for ME this is a 3/10 game at best. It's not an RPL, it's BARELY a Dragon Age game, and the retcons literally erase all the work we put into the previous games. Those things are literally the reason I'm NOT playing it, and I'm not going to fork out my hard earned money to confirm what I already know from watching hours of "lets plays".
1 - If by splitting the fanbase you mean the 1 vs 50, sure; "split " is correct in that sense. 2 - If a small indie game studio we wouldn't have expected much? That is nonsense. You mean to say like, if the people who made Stardew Valley/Cuphead/Disco Elysium were to make another game, you're saying we "wouldn't expect as much"? The level of expectation will be the same for any fan. They just dropped the ball, and it went through 300 floors down.
Th problem for me with games like this is that a modern blockbuster just fun movie or even a season of a just good tv show last between 2 to 8 hours, thats ok, is not that much time, but these games played the way I like to play them last up to 60 hours....thats way too much time to just play a good game, I rather be playing great games instead, of which I still have quite a bit of them in my backlog including BG3.
@@Gozzu9195 sure why not. DAI has sold over 12 million copies, ME3 has sold 6 million, the entire ME franchise has sold around 14 million copies. Has Bioware released definitive numbers on Veilguard, no, they dont and they wont until the game is a financial success. But we can certainly make some logical conclusions as to just how bad its doing. 1.Steams highest consecutive player count was around 60k for veilguard. We can probably assume its at least double that if not more including consoles as thats typically how a game trends with a few rare exceptions like sports games are way bigger on consoles, these are not good numbers btw. 2. Baldurs Gate 3 still has around 60k consecutive players on although that did sell over 20m copies if veilguard had sold around 12m or was on track to hit those numbers it wouldnt have a player base of 9k with a 60k all time high. 3.The player count has only cratered since launch and so word of mouth was very bad and while sales would have still trickled in it was nowhere near enough to compete with players walking away 4.The reason I mention ME3 is simply because if it had reached even half or was on track to reach half of DAI they absolutely would have announced that as they have for other massive titles though half would still be considered "cratering" from the previous game. Those are my stats for you with a little of my own personal critical thinking thrown in there. My main assumption with how its doing financially is that it's probably sold between 1-2 million copies at this point but sales have massively dropped off and this game will not make its money back and no chance in hell will it reach Inquisition levels. What numbers we do have we its very safe to say its not doing well overall, Thanks that was fun, read it or dont I really dont care.
If a thing is mediocre or bad 90% of the time, or boring. Its bad plain and simple. Don't beat around the bush, just say it is bad. So that the devs/people who create stuff can learn. This one of the things that frustrates me with new generation. People are too scared of criticizing or tell a person hey this is plain bad. Sure people don't usually give context or give examples to compare and say here see this/listen to this, this is good. Don't be afraid to just plain say it out loud. This is bad, a bad game. Cos it is. Otherwise we'll just keep getting crap like this over and over, like's been happening a lot since 2016. Enough is enough.
I'd agree with your conclusion if one only does the main quest and side quests when possible, but considering the game encourages you so heavily to do all the companion quests, who have most of the worst writing, least interesting gameplay and least consistent tone, then I wouldn't say this is a fun experience.
If dragon age veilguard would have came out as anything, but dragon age, I think it would’ve done well, but because it’s supposed to be part of dragon age, we hold it to a higher expectation just like Final Fantasy is held to a higher expectation than your average no name RPG That’s my take on this. And I’m not even going to get into the forced non-binary stuff.
@@linden1763 weird thing to say in response to a comment that isn't even that negative. They are literally just stating they think the game would of done better if it was a new IP. The over importance on correct spelling some people place on opinions made in comment sections is honestly quite a disservice. This isn't an argument happening in person they can't go back and correct themselves in real time. Granted they could edit the comment to correct grammatical issues but that assumes they even noticed or cared its a freaking TH-cam comment section not an academic paper being published grammar doesn't have to be perfect.
@@linden1763 that’s because I didn’t care but here ya go grammar nazi fix it for you. So now you can get your parties unbunched about my improper spelling.
This..bought the game.. played till the lighthouse where Rook harding and Neve were talking at the table and the dialogue is so crap i stopped playing lol.. and im finding it hard to resume
I missed my 2 hour refund and I've tried to force myself to play it. i just can't play longer than 30 minutes, the dialogue is terrible and having to dodge the yellow lines is such a bad mechanic especially in the underwater prison where its just non stop casters spamming spells
Same; missed the 2-hour window. Beat the game & almost all side quests. I can safely say this is one of the worst games I have ever experienced in my life. Describing it as a train wreck doesn't even do it justice. Watching one of my favorite story worlds getting dragged through the mud was nothing short of watching an old friend die. Star wars, borderlands, dragon age, etc. Someone needs to invent a new word for when someone takes a shit on something nostalgic because that is what this game was.
Well, if you disconnect your brain, turn off the expectation that comes with the title (or you dont have any because you are not a DA fan yourself), ignore the ocacional immersion breaking dialogues (or all dialogue altogether) and just play it as a linear heroic beat em up, i guess it could be a fun game. I mean, graphics are nice, the game runs smooth, and combat (albeit repetitive) can be fun. They almost had something there (combat), but needed more work. I don't think it should be a Dragon Age game, it disrespects the fans. That being said, as a standalone one-of-the-pile game to play and forget, it's nice. I myself as a DA:O fan just cannot see it like that.
I feel DAV was looking to improve Inquisition and lost DA:O and DA2 of sight, what is understandable, because Inquisition was GOTY after all. That said, I don't like Inquisition, and they adressed 80% of the reasons why I don't like Inquisition in this game. It could be better, yes, but I've been enjoying it so far.
hmm, bad writing and all aside, it's just so underwhelming, for a game big enough to have so much potential the dialogue options don't have any life to it though that being said I should also mention what I liked about this game manfred and assan , I have interacted with those two more than some of the companions :)
I enjoyed playing the game once through. But it completely lacked the charm, grit, and repaly value of a dragon age game. Even inquisition i was able to play throigh three times for a slightly different story. When i reatarted veilguard and chose different options the story was exactly the same. So ultimately very disappointing. Its a $40 game at best.
Well to me a gamer, its just a mid game, cool gameplay but that's it. to me as a dragon age fan that has been waiting for 10 years? horrible, it doesnt deserve to be called a dragon age game, lazy writing, painful dialogue as if im talking to people from california not thedas, they really fucked up the lore to make things their way. so to casual gamers? GOOD! to OG fans? ABOMINATION
@@shanepotter6348 Okay a bit to share with you what they messed up, The Antivan crows are assassins not vigilantes, they are not the same with those people from Assassins Creed. They are after money and only money, heck they even buy children and train them brutally for future crow assassins (ask Zevran, he told me so back in origins), lets say any invading force took over their city, does it bother their business? if not, they wont care. The Qun, Taash dont have a mother, all children under the Qun are taken to be raised by priest after birth, they dont know their parents or have a parental unit. They are raised according to their planned life. You are a soldier, you become a great one or a failure is up to you, You are a soldier as the Qun demands. Also the Antaam are no longer part of the Qun if they rebel, they all should be declared as Tal-Vashoth or traitors to the Qun. (Source : Sten of the Beresaad) Dont get me started on the Darkspawn, These creatures are supposed to be cunning,merciless and communicate with a hive mind, some can even speak in awakenings with a ritual. In veilguard they become unga bunga naked skeletons from Disney Coco I want to continue more but its gonna take a long list, have a nice day.
@@shanepotter6348 they rewritten every faction to be good when they are morally grey. They erased the Slavery and abuse of Magic in Tevinter, they erased the Grey Warden's Legacy, they erased the previous 3 games by destroying Ferelden, they erased all characters and personalities by their secret ending. They rewritten the Titans to fit their needs, and they rewritten the Elven Gods and the importance of the Golden Throne and the Maker and Andraste. Oh and they forgot all about the Anderfels and many more. If you want to learn more, just listen to lore videos, it doesn't even have to be about Veilguard, in the last Decade, there has been tons of Lore Videos discussing the various clues provided after Inquisition that opens the world of Thedas. Then as a Veilguard player, see if your blood pressure goes up knowing what they did in Veilguard and the many What if's that never came and what the hell happened?
@enightc well the thing is, I played all of those games on release, replayed them after veilguard, and I still don't agree with you. I'm not going to argue about it, though. Your opinion is yours. To be clear, though, I'm well versed in the lore, and I still disagree.
@@shanepotter6348 that is the thing, anyone versed in the lore or even just cared a little, wouldn't like it. But we are in a world where people watch ring of power, so I am not gonna try to convince you. But what I stated isn't really up for debate, they did everything I said. It's just if it bothers you or not. Perfect example is the Antivan Crows, they changed it not even an opinion, question is does that bother you.
I played the game 3 playthroughs (mage/warrior/rogue) around 300 hours in total doing everything and exploring all outcomes and conversations all relationships or not to see what they do without the relationship exc... . This is a very boring and crappy game in comparison with it's previous titles, also this has nothing to do with Dark fantasy that the game is suppose to be. The writing is painfull to endure, the choices you make are pointless the olny choice that has an impact is if you are a Grey Warden and you sent the Mayor in the Grey Wardens and if you finish the companion quests which don't really matter cause in the ending you simply fill those vilain spaces with other random npc's and carries on as normal.. All endings are excacly the same with the difference of Solas sacrifising himself (with or without the inqusitor) to the fade or you trick him to be sacrifised in the veil or during the combat of the previous ending he's attacks are simply deadly to all and you and him sacrifising to the fade. Same ending. As for the woke stuff, i will let some transgender youtubers that revwied the game speak on it. they cover me perfectly and biy, they do not hold back. iI am sure you can find them on youtube. Now in general is and OK game, but not even close to what the franchise was , definitly not what was promised and deffinitly not worth more than 20 $. I think the numbers of sales speaks volumes and the fact that the game didn't pass the 100k players on at least the steam platform confirms the number, currently it has less than 700 people playing it there and thats probably the ones not finished with it , i mean it's only been 22 days since it came out. So no the Fanbase isn't split in this it's completly alsmost absent. I bought it only for nostlagia. Do not buy this game if it's above 20$, it will not take long with those numbers.
This game just like you are going to mcdonald and they sell only noodle and fried rice, its fine for new people who first time come to mcd, but for regular customer,,, its big NO.
This open world vs closed world stuff is pretty nonsense in my oppinion. DA1 had a SMALL open world... of the early 00's variety... meaning it was an open world in the days when open worlds weren't annoyingly large. DA2 was NOT an open world in the slightest... DA3 is not an open world either. It's 'open mission' perhaps, but it was more like large sectors of areas that were each about 25% the size of an ordinary open world, making the game obscenely obtuse to navigate. DA4 here has HUGE areas to explore, it really does, they just aren't all slapped into an overlarge spherical void of space with nothing going on between points A and B. If you want an HONEST expression of the level design in DA:V... think something more akin to Mass Effect 2 but with a modern day maximum file size. You go a location, and it's a big sprawling area to explore with tons of side areas to explore and quest in without the weaknesses of the enormous 'vacant field' style of open world BS. I spent almost an entire day just snooping around Minrathos... all these people complaining that it's a LINEAR game are full of shit... grifters... or haven't actually played it. As an rpg completionism mindset, who tends to seek out all the side quests and stuff, the game lasted me well above 60 hours, no amount of me running around in empty fields to get to the next place in that time would have improved the experience.
It is a linear game because all choices leads to the same result. That is the linearity, if you compared it to Previous Games, you can decide to help or not, and they have different results, some even require you to have amassed enough reputation to get to a certain result, but if you missed it then you get a different result. Veilguard does not do that, you always get the same result. Its the illusion of choice that makes Veilguard Linear. Go play Origins, Dragon Age 2, Inquisition, DA2 has a linear storyline as well, but its among many that isn't, the one that I remember is that Hawk's mom always dies, doesn't matter what you do, she will always die. That is linear story telling, Veilguard is Linear because Majority of their stories is linear, it all goes to the same result, while only a few isn't.
I bought EA play pro for a month just to play it and I have to say it's ok but that is subjective. I can't play for more than one hour at a time because I don't feel hooked. The woke stuff doesn't bother me and isn't anything new really it's just that the writing sucks and lacks good depth. I'm not impressed by the combat and am not incentivized to do any side quests. The combat feels clunky especially in regards to auto-targeting and camera movement. I find myself hitting skip to get through dialogue as well. At this point, I think I may put in a few more hours to see if things change but I'm just not feeling immersed or invested in any way. I'm still waiting for it to get good.
It's not really "splitting" since this word implies half for and half against. It's more shaving off a fractional minority who suckle upon "the message" while flash-kicking the rest of the gaming populace off to other titles cuz, ew. My point is that the video title needs work or is guilty of gaslighting. I didn't even watch the video to give you a chance to unpack this misleading title, unless this is actually your argument. If so, I am glad I didn't watch it because it couldn't be further from the truth...which is what the title makes me start thinking about before I even click to watch the dang video. I do hope things go well for you though here on TH-cam. Good luck, sir.
Game is trash, never touched it and don't intend to. Watched numerous reviews already and besides the combat which is okay but has issues, the game is total trash, particularly the most important aspect of it, the RPG elements. No decision has any impact and you are just a cheerleader for your companions the entire time. First thing I did in BG3 was kill off the gay vampire because he tried to suck my blood. In this game, I would have just gone solo because all the characters suck ass.
Perhaps "splitting reviewers"' would have been a better title. I just didn’t want this to turn into another "it’s just bad" review because, while I wasn’t a fan, I understand that some people - albeit a minority - genuinely enjoy it as it is. Plus we’ve all heard what’s wrong with it a thousand times already, and simply echoing that wouldn't have added much to the conversation. But hey, I’m still trying to find a balance in these discussions and learning as I go. Thanks for bearing with me and the constructive feedback helps me improve!
One is getting paid to "review" the game, one is actually playing the game and realised this game sucks. Even DA2 is better.
@@shuraamano I believe its the other way around, I hated it before playing it, loved it after playing it im at 70 hours and so far it has been great. Loved DA:O, hated Inquisiton this game somehow take what is great from inquisition and DA:O lore and add a fluid combat system. but I have to agree the dialog are mostly shite but I would say its 40% shit and 60% good. its like the dialog was created by two team where 1 has no clue in writing and the other are OG dragon age writers. the overarching Story has been amazing!
@@shuraamano Veilguard is sizably better than DA2.
This is the closest critique to my own thinking that I had seen. I played and finished Veilguard, and it's... an ok game. Problem is, it carries the legacy of the Dragon Age series, and it doesn't do justice to it. Maybe if the game was a spinoff it could had been fine, but this is the fourth entry that was 10 years in the making. And its not even close to the quality we expected.
Exactly! Worse yet, we have the heteronormative crusader brigade constantly choking any attempt at legitimate criticism regarding this absolute MESS of a game that we've got. So no matter what, EA Bioware doesn't have to answer to any outrage since they can just dismiss us Old Fans as either bigoted or Not True.
For story telling, telling, not showing is surely fatal.
It's not splitting the fan base at all. The vast majority think it sucks, and a small minority like it which is perfectly fine.
Nope. If you look at the metacritic stats anyone that actually played the game is positive.
@@Gozzu9195 but if you look at the reviews, their positive reviews are just for positivity. They aren't giving an actual reasons on why it is positive.
When you look at the negative reviews, they are very specific. You can actually see examples showing why its a negative. The writing, the companions, the removal of urgency, the erasure of Fereldon, the plot
Which everyone agrees is subpar when compared to Previous Dragon Age, even Dragon Age 2 is better than Veilguard especially with the companions and no one can disagree about that.
@@Gozzu9195thats because after a very long learning curve and all Starwars and Marvel shows/movies, Netflix Witcher, Rings of Power, Ubisoft, Indianer Jones, Terminator, and so on and on most people have learned that the only way is you don’t buy woke crap because we are sick of the attention seeking controversy marketing strategy and then giving it a chance, just to be disappointed, have your fan heart broken and be blamed and called buzzwords for giving constructive criticism and telling them whats wrong, having feedback censored after we gave them our money and that this money is just used to do the same lame stuff again only even worse just to ruin every single franchise you once loved to a point of no return and for what? For the studios going broke slowly themselves
There is no benefit in buying those games if your opinion isn’t relevant or taken in consideration.
Those studios said it themselves if you don’t like it don’t buy it.
Now they will fail.
The worst thing they can face isn’t criticism it is carelessness from the people
@@Gozzu9195 the positive reviews are from the minority that bought the game, the majority of gamers who think it sucks didn't buy it. This is proven by the woefully low sales numbers for such a big AAA game that has a lower player count than older games in the same genre that are even now beating it.
As a gamer with disabilities, one thing I will say is that I really like the level of options I was given to ensure I could enjoy and get through the game. I played on storyteller mode and was actually confident enough to play a rogue for the first time ever. The fact that I could customize the buttons around my limitations was great. Controlling text size was nice. And I ended up really appreciating that this one, story focused difficulty included a feature called prevent death.
It probably sounds stupid to most gamers. "Just youtube it, you moron." But being able to turn that on if I knew I was going to struggle with a big fight was great since I have chronic pain and doing a 10 minute fight over costs me more than 10 minutes. One of the big decisions I always have to make with a game when I go to buy it is the question of whether I think it will LET me beat it. When there is upwards of almost $100 Canadian riding on that in today's economy (for clarity, dragon age came to around $90 with tax) I have to think about that carefully.
Writing, and the fact that progressive writing is currently hamstringed by the concepts of hate speech and the victimhood system of punching up and punching down, definitely took a hit. It wasn't utterly unserviceable, but there are definitely staples of Dragon Age that were missing. And this was likely due to that aspect of progressive culture far moreso than because of anything to do with pronouns, trans options, or even Taash's questline. My big issue with Taash wasn' their being non-binary. It was that I wasn't given a reasonable choice in how to react when she was implied to have called Emmerich, whom I was dating, a skullfucker.
People expect certain things from RPGs. Different things, depending on the person. Veilguard failed hard on characters and dialogue writing. If those happen to be most important to you - Veilguard sucks. If your priorities are in combat, story itself, or just chilling without much thought while playing - Veilguard is fine.
For me it sucks and can't be redeemed. For someone else those problems are minor.
I'm a big fan of Dragon Age Origins and currently playing The Veilguard for the first time. I haven't finished it yet, according to the in game library I've seen about 60% of the game right now.
The combat system feels strangely alike that in Assassin's Creed Valhalla, at least for me. It's allright, and from time to time I get a feeling of tension in boss fights on the hard difficult setting.
I like that I get to see more places in the world of thedas, and some of the scenery is absolutely gorgeous. But often it feels rushed to me: Get a mission, visit one place you never saw before, get out, return later for the next mission. It's like in a James Bond movie, where the action feels fresh when seen in a new enviroment. What I miss is depth, a sense of world building, like for Ferelden in Origins or even Kirkwall in DA2.
Further I like the companions. Most are well written. As said in the video, the voice actors are a highlight. Sometimes the wording feels to modern or seems a bit off for a fantasy setting. In Origins, Oghren was cursing by using words connectre to the setting and the dwarven culture. That is far less the case in Veilguard.
Nonetheless I enjoy the game so far.
Correct, if by 'splitting' you mean that almost everyone is disappointed with this release.
I don't know a single dragon age fan that liked Veilguard, the only friends I had who liked it were brainless consoomers who'd never played DA before.
I dunno. Like, I enjoyed Veilguard. I startedcon Dragon Age Inquisition and never really played the origins or DA2. I wasn't there to fulfill a checklist of "what a Dragon Age game needs to be great". I was juat there to be invested in a story. My only upset is the lack of real Tevinter locations. We go to Minrathous but not much else.
Forking out full price for a game is not necessary to know my "wanted to like this but...". I hate this brand of half baked action combat, I hate not being able to control my companions, I hate the lore retcons and I hate the manufactured controversy and straight up abuse from the Dev team. I can tell that for ME this is a 3/10 game at best. It's not an RPL, it's BARELY a Dragon Age game, and the retcons literally erase all the work we put into the previous games. Those things are literally the reason I'm NOT playing it, and I'm not going to fork out my hard earned money to confirm what I already know from watching hours of "lets plays".
It´s not splitting the fanbase I left that one after Inquisition
1 - If by splitting the fanbase you mean the 1 vs 50, sure; "split " is correct in that sense.
2 - If a small indie game studio we wouldn't have expected much? That is nonsense. You mean to say like, if the people who made Stardew Valley/Cuphead/Disco Elysium were to make another game, you're saying we "wouldn't expect as much"? The level of expectation will be the same for any fan. They just dropped the ball, and it went through 300 floors down.
Th problem for me with games like this is that a modern blockbuster just fun movie or even a season of a just good tv show last between 2 to 8 hours, thats ok, is not that much time, but these games played the way I like to play them last up to 60 hours....thats way too much time to just play a good game, I rather be playing great games instead, of which I still have quite a bit of them in my backlog including BG3.
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How is this splitting the fan base? sales crated between this game and the last.
Did it? Where's your stats?
@@Gozzu9195 sure why not.
DAI has sold over 12 million copies, ME3 has sold 6 million, the entire ME franchise has sold around 14 million copies.
Has Bioware released definitive numbers on Veilguard, no, they dont and they wont until the game is a financial success. But we can certainly make some logical conclusions as to just how bad its doing.
1.Steams highest consecutive player count was around 60k for veilguard. We can probably assume its at least double that if not more including consoles as thats typically how a game trends with a few rare exceptions like sports games are way bigger on consoles, these are not good numbers btw.
2. Baldurs Gate 3 still has around 60k consecutive players on although that did sell over 20m copies if veilguard had sold around 12m or was on track to hit those numbers it wouldnt have a player base of 9k with a 60k all time high.
3.The player count has only cratered since launch and so word of mouth was very bad and while sales would have still trickled in it was nowhere near enough to compete with players walking away
4.The reason I mention ME3 is simply because if it had reached even half or was on track to reach half of DAI they absolutely would have announced that as they have for other massive titles though half would still be considered "cratering" from the previous game.
Those are my stats for you with a little of my own personal critical thinking thrown in there. My main assumption with how its doing financially is that it's probably sold between 1-2 million copies at this point but sales have massively dropped off and this game will not make its money back and no chance in hell will it reach Inquisition levels.
What numbers we do have we its very safe to say its not doing well overall, Thanks that was fun, read it or dont I really dont care.
@@Gozzu9195 12 millions for Inquisition, if Veilguard has surpassed 5 million, it would be in every headline. It has not surpassed 5 million
If a thing is mediocre or bad 90% of the time, or boring. Its bad plain and simple.
Don't beat around the bush, just say it is bad. So that the devs/people who create stuff can learn. This one of the things that frustrates me with new generation. People are too scared of criticizing or tell a person hey this is plain bad. Sure people don't usually give context or give examples to compare and say here see this/listen to this, this is good.
Don't be afraid to just plain say it out loud. This is bad, a bad game. Cos it is.
Otherwise we'll just keep getting crap like this over and over, like's been happening a lot since 2016. Enough is enough.
It's that bad.
I'd agree with your conclusion if one only does the main quest and side quests when possible, but considering the game encourages you so heavily to do all the companion quests, who have most of the worst writing, least interesting gameplay and least consistent tone, then I wouldn't say this is a fun experience.
I didn’t want to like THIS game. I wanted to like Dragon Age 4. Then when news starting coming out about this one, I went “nope, sorry, I’m done.”
If dragon age veilguard would have came out as anything, but dragon age, I think it would’ve done well, but because it’s supposed to be part of dragon age, we hold it to a higher expectation just like Final Fantasy is held to a higher expectation than your average no name RPG That’s my take on this. And I’m not even going to get into the forced non-binary stuff.
Yeah really going to trust the comment from someone who can't even get the name of the game right...
@@linden1763 weird thing to say in response to a comment that isn't even that negative. They are literally just stating they think the game would of done better if it was a new IP. The over importance on correct spelling some people place on opinions made in comment sections is honestly quite a disservice. This isn't an argument happening in person they can't go back and correct themselves in real time. Granted they could edit the comment to correct grammatical issues but that assumes they even noticed or cared its a freaking TH-cam comment section not an academic paper being published grammar doesn't have to be perfect.
@@linden1763 that’s because I didn’t care but here ya go grammar nazi fix it for you. So now you can get your parties unbunched about my improper spelling.
I have played all of the DA games and the writing in this game is shite compared to the others. Failguard has ruined the DA series.
This..bought the game.. played till the lighthouse where Rook harding and Neve were talking at the table and the dialogue is so crap i stopped playing lol.. and im finding it hard to resume
Die hard fans don’t do “good enough” and changes to lore for woke massage.
I missed my 2 hour refund and I've tried to force myself to play it.
i just can't play longer than 30 minutes, the dialogue is terrible and having to dodge the yellow lines is such a bad mechanic especially in the underwater prison where its just non stop casters spamming spells
Same; missed the 2-hour window. Beat the game & almost all side quests. I can safely say this is one of the worst games I have ever experienced in my life. Describing it as a train wreck doesn't even do it justice. Watching one of my favorite story worlds getting dragged through the mud was nothing short of watching an old friend die. Star wars, borderlands, dragon age, etc. Someone needs to invent a new word for when someone takes a shit on something nostalgic because that is what this game was.
Well, if you disconnect your brain, turn off the expectation that comes with the title (or you dont have any because you are not a DA fan yourself), ignore the ocacional immersion breaking dialogues (or all dialogue altogether) and just play it as a linear heroic beat em up, i guess it could be a fun game.
I mean, graphics are nice, the game runs smooth, and combat (albeit repetitive) can be fun.
They almost had something there (combat), but needed more work.
I don't think it should be a Dragon Age game, it disrespects the fans.
That being said, as a standalone one-of-the-pile game to play and forget, it's nice. I myself as a DA:O fan just cannot see it like that.
See I’m not a dragon age fan so I didn’t have any high expectations
Because its shit. Thank me for saving 15 mins.
I feel DAV was looking to improve Inquisition and lost DA:O and DA2 of sight, what is understandable, because Inquisition was GOTY after all. That said, I don't like Inquisition, and they adressed 80% of the reasons why I don't like Inquisition in this game. It could be better, yes, but I've been enjoying it so far.
Really solid game. It ain't Origins but still really fucking good, and a must play for any actual DA fans.
Smoking copium I see. I wish I wasn't asthmatic.
hmm, bad writing and all aside, it's just so underwhelming, for a game big enough to have so much potential
the dialogue options don't have any life to it
though that being said I should also mention what I liked about this game
manfred and assan , I have interacted with those two more than some of the companions :)
Yes it is save your money and the disappointment
I enjoyed playing the game once through. But it completely lacked the charm, grit, and repaly value of a dragon age game. Even inquisition i was able to play throigh three times for a slightly different story. When i reatarted veilguard and chose different options the story was exactly the same. So ultimately very disappointing. Its a $40 game at best.
Well to me a gamer, its just a mid game, cool gameplay but that's it. to me as a dragon age fan that has been waiting for 10 years? horrible, it doesnt deserve to be called a dragon age game, lazy writing, painful dialogue as if im talking to people from california not thedas, they really fucked up the lore to make things their way. so to casual gamers? GOOD! to OG fans? ABOMINATION
How did they mess up the lore?
@@shanepotter6348 Okay a bit to share with you what they messed up, The Antivan crows are assassins not vigilantes, they are not the same with those people from Assassins Creed. They are after money and only money, heck they even buy children and train them brutally for future crow assassins (ask Zevran, he told me so back in origins), lets say any invading force took over their city, does it bother their business? if not, they wont care.
The Qun, Taash dont have a mother, all children under the Qun are taken to be raised by priest after birth, they dont know their parents or have a parental unit. They are raised according to their planned life. You are a soldier, you become a great one or a failure is up to you, You are a soldier as the Qun demands. Also the Antaam are no longer part of the Qun if they rebel, they all should be declared as Tal-Vashoth or traitors to the Qun. (Source : Sten of the Beresaad)
Dont get me started on the Darkspawn, These creatures are supposed to be cunning,merciless and communicate with a hive mind, some can even speak in awakenings with a ritual. In veilguard they become unga bunga naked skeletons from Disney Coco
I want to continue more but its gonna take a long list, have a nice day.
@@shanepotter6348 they rewritten every faction to be good when they are morally grey. They erased the Slavery and abuse of Magic in Tevinter, they erased the Grey Warden's Legacy, they erased the previous 3 games by destroying Ferelden, they erased all characters and personalities by their secret ending. They rewritten the Titans to fit their needs, and they rewritten the Elven Gods and the importance of the Golden Throne and the Maker and Andraste. Oh and they forgot all about the Anderfels and many more.
If you want to learn more, just listen to lore videos, it doesn't even have to be about Veilguard, in the last Decade, there has been tons of Lore Videos discussing the various clues provided after Inquisition that opens the world of Thedas.
Then as a Veilguard player, see if your blood pressure goes up knowing what they did in Veilguard and the many What if's that never came and what the hell happened?
@enightc well the thing is, I played all of those games on release, replayed them after veilguard, and I still don't agree with you. I'm not going to argue about it, though. Your opinion is yours. To be clear, though, I'm well versed in the lore, and I still disagree.
@@shanepotter6348 that is the thing, anyone versed in the lore or even just cared a little, wouldn't like it. But we are in a world where people watch ring of power, so I am not gonna try to convince you. But what I stated isn't really up for debate, they did everything I said. It's just if it bothers you or not. Perfect example is the Antivan Crows, they changed it not even an opinion, question is does that bother you.
I love this saga, but sadly, ita dying. My only hope is that in 10 years someone will remake DAO and DA2, and then make a DA3 rebooting DAI and DAV.
I played the game 3 playthroughs (mage/warrior/rogue) around 300 hours in total doing everything and exploring all outcomes and conversations all relationships or not to see what they do without the relationship exc... . This is a very boring and crappy game in comparison with it's previous titles, also this has nothing to do with Dark fantasy that the game is suppose to be. The writing is painfull to endure, the choices you make are pointless the olny choice that has an impact is if you are a Grey Warden and you sent the Mayor in the Grey Wardens and if you finish the companion quests which don't really matter cause in the ending you simply fill those vilain spaces with other random npc's and carries on as normal.. All endings are excacly the same with the difference of Solas sacrifising himself (with or without the inqusitor) to the fade or you trick him to be sacrifised in the veil or during the combat of the previous ending he's attacks are simply deadly to all and you and him sacrifising to the fade. Same ending. As for the woke stuff, i will let some transgender youtubers that revwied the game speak on it. they cover me perfectly and biy, they do not hold back. iI am sure you can find them on youtube. Now in general is and OK game, but not even close to what the franchise was , definitly not what was promised and deffinitly not worth more than 20 $. I think the numbers of sales speaks volumes and the fact that the game didn't pass the 100k players on at least the steam platform confirms the number, currently it has less than 700 people playing it there and thats probably the ones not finished with it , i mean it's only been 22 days since it came out. So no the Fanbase isn't split in this it's completly alsmost absent. I bought it only for nostlagia. Do not buy this game if it's above 20$, it will not take long with those numbers.
This game just like you are going to mcdonald and they sell only noodle and fried rice, its fine for new people who first time come to mcd, but for regular customer,,, its big NO.
This open world vs closed world stuff is pretty nonsense in my oppinion.
DA1 had a SMALL open world... of the early 00's variety... meaning it was an open world in the days when open worlds weren't annoyingly large. DA2 was NOT an open world in the slightest... DA3 is not an open world either. It's 'open mission' perhaps, but it was more like large sectors of areas that were each about 25% the size of an ordinary open world, making the game obscenely obtuse to navigate.
DA4 here has HUGE areas to explore, it really does, they just aren't all slapped into an overlarge spherical void of space with nothing going on between points A and B. If you want an HONEST expression of the level design in DA:V... think something more akin to Mass Effect 2 but with a modern day maximum file size. You go a location, and it's a big sprawling area to explore with tons of side areas to explore and quest in without the weaknesses of the enormous 'vacant field' style of open world BS. I spent almost an entire day just snooping around Minrathos... all these people complaining that it's a LINEAR game are full of shit... grifters... or haven't actually played it. As an rpg completionism mindset, who tends to seek out all the side quests and stuff, the game lasted me well above 60 hours, no amount of me running around in empty fields to get to the next place in that time would have improved the experience.
It is a linear game because all choices leads to the same result. That is the linearity, if you compared it to Previous Games, you can decide to help or not, and they have different results, some even require you to have amassed enough reputation to get to a certain result, but if you missed it then you get a different result. Veilguard does not do that, you always get the same result. Its the illusion of choice that makes Veilguard Linear. Go play Origins, Dragon Age 2, Inquisition, DA2 has a linear storyline as well, but its among many that isn't, the one that I remember is that Hawk's mom always dies, doesn't matter what you do, she will always die. That is linear story telling, Veilguard is Linear because Majority of their stories is linear, it all goes to the same result, while only a few isn't.
I bought EA play pro for a month just to play it and I have to say it's ok but that is subjective. I can't play for more than one hour at a time because I don't feel hooked. The woke stuff doesn't bother me and isn't anything new really it's just that the writing sucks and lacks good depth. I'm not impressed by the combat and am not incentivized to do any side quests. The combat feels clunky especially in regards to auto-targeting and camera movement. I find myself hitting skip to get through dialogue as well. At this point, I think I may put in a few more hours to see if things change but I'm just not feeling immersed or invested in any way. I'm still waiting for it to get good.
Pretty well how I was for most of it too
It's not really "splitting" since this word implies half for and half against. It's more shaving off a fractional minority who suckle upon "the message" while flash-kicking the rest of the gaming populace off to other titles cuz, ew. My point is that the video title needs work or is guilty of gaslighting. I didn't even watch the video to give you a chance to unpack this misleading title, unless this is actually your argument. If so, I am glad I didn't watch it because it couldn't be further from the truth...which is what the title makes me start thinking about before I even click to watch the dang video. I do hope things go well for you though here on TH-cam. Good luck, sir.
Game is trash, never touched it and don't intend to. Watched numerous reviews already and besides the combat which is okay but has issues, the game is total trash, particularly the most important aspect of it, the RPG elements. No decision has any impact and you are just a cheerleader for your companions the entire time. First thing I did in BG3 was kill off the gay vampire because he tried to suck my blood. In this game, I would have just gone solo because all the characters suck ass.