The issue is not freedom of speech, the issue is who has access to whatever data of the people. The main problem in the US itself is, there is next to no protection for the users as a money generator. They can do pretty much as they see fit. Collect anything they want, sell it to anyone willing to pay, and the user has next to no rights at all. Again, we failed to hold our elected officials accountable fo the job we supposedly elect them to do. But since there is big money involved, we only get to vote on already preselected people, approved by big money. We need better privacy protection laws across the board for any media, social or otherwise.
I think the data issue is just a cover-up. Read about what happened with the Romanian elections just a couple of months ago. In short, elections had to be canceled because a TikTok candidate no-one was supporting (had zero donations declared) - was winning. It was then discovered a tiktok campaign supported by russia and allowed to happen by tiktok (Chinese governemnt) propelled his hashtag to TOP 7 in the WORLD. - so allowing tiktok in your country pretty much allows china and by extension russia to heavily influence elections. Putin laughed about it.
The difference with Temu is that they don't record and store audio/video and don't have the ability to spread mass propaganda. It's too much of a potential danger to allow to be unregulated.
@@-DM Gestures at Xitter. It played a pivotal role in the election and basically landed the Ceo in a prime government position and has already dictated to congress what legislation is allowed to pass. He nearly caused a government shutdown using the platform because the funding bill included security provisions that would have investigated his companies for collusion with foreign states.
@@-DM The bird app is arguably worse and hasn't seen any regulation whatsoever. The ceo is in a prime government position and has dictated to congress what bills are allowed to become law. He nearly caused a government shutdown because the last funding bill included security provisions that would investigate his companies for possible collusion with foreign governments.
@-DM One app literally has led to a Ceo dictating laws and public policy, the other hasn't. Also, your claims about TikTok are pure speculation. TikTok has stated multiple times it does not provide data on foreign nationals to the CCP, all claims otherwise have not been proven. I don't even use the app, but the reasoning behind its ban is dubious at best, actively sinophobic at worst.
@@-DMOne has led to the ceo dictating public policy to congress, the other hasn't. Your claims about tiktok are pure speculation. Tiktok has stated multiple times it does not provide data on foreign nationals to its home government. No report from congress or media outlets has proven otherwise. The reasoning behind the ban is dubious at best.
Instagram and Fackbook also took another coutries' personal data , right? If not it is because US companies follow the international law they made, so they are innocent toward that issues? I mean sometimes USA said it is international law and sometimes it is their national security issues, for me as foreigner they just treat and use the terms of international law as their taste Who made this international law? Why does USA say their national security at this moment and how about my personal information that I gave to Mirosoft, Apple etc as S korean.. Who made the rule and why it is matter right now?
The difference here is that Facebook/Meta isn't turning round and giving the data freely to the US government. In fact most civilised countries, things like warrants or court orders would be required to hand over data. In the UK for example (and most of the EU), data protection and GDPR are incredibly fierce, and Facebook/Meta are legally required to protect said data carefully, sadly the likes of TikTok basically ignore these data protection measures. In China, where TikTok and ByteDance are both headquartered the law structured such that companies are legally required to hand over any data requested by the Chinese Government.
TikTok is terrible, and it might be in Singapore, yet parent companies get all the access; meaning China. Also TikTok takes all your photos and videos even the ones you don’t upload, so it “goes faster” if you decide to place it on their platform. Limit your photos access.
@@asy9423 Enemies of the US do ban US owned social media for the same reasons. Data privacy is something everyone has to worry about. I'd recommend that everyone be careful when providing personal data to companies, no matter your country of residence.
I would shut TikTok down based on breaching of Copyright Laws full stop. It built its success on copyright law breaches prior to licensing music. Further to that, the sheer amount of people on that app who don't seem to understand that putting your face over another person's video and pointing to that video is a breach of copyright law in most territories. The flood of 'reaction' videos, the flood of TV and Film show 'clips' are all enough right there to close it down. Likewise though this 'theorist', misses the point that it's not about TikTok having the data. This is why the law doesn't target Meta, Alphabet, or X. It is about the data being shared without warrant or court order with a foreign government. In the US, UK, and EU (Mostly) a government would be required to have a legal justification or reason to ask for and secure data from a private company. In China, a Chinese company - which TikTok is, having its parent company and algorithm owner headquartered in Beijing - is legally required to hand over data to the Chinese government without cause, suspicion or other process that we in the West implement. Now to address his wild claims about the PRISM program to which he refers, let's be clear on this the NSA found the program too unweidly to simply use a dragnet. More than that both international forces and US citizens also have had legal recourse. They've been able to take litigation against government actors and agencies. The EU was able to negotiate and able to legislate around these programs. The UK and EU still to this day continue to explore ways of preventing data being transferred to US soil. The same is impossible for a Chinese company. Much like it would be relatively impossible for a Russian company. In fact, Russia and Kaspersky Labs is the perfect analogy here. Many people used Kaspersky computer security tools, or even simply password managers. Then the war in Ukraine broke out. The US government in particular banned Kaspersky labs from operating in the US market. So the idea that this is just a beef with China is ignorance on the part of Clay Shirky. The theorist simply is too ignorant of the larger scale picture to provide anything even close to expert analysis. Here's the real nail in his theories - Kaspersky is a full private company. Has been for decades. It has revealed to the world some of the biggest cybersecurity threats in existance. Yet the mere suggestion that they might have become tied to the Russia Government and there's a ban. So it didn't 'start with TikTok'. Moving further two years ago it was found that Hauwei, another Chinese company had chips in their phones and routers that presented intolerable security threats. What happened next? The maker of these chips can no longer sell stuff in the US Market. Beyond just the US, the UK and parts of the EU have also taken steps to sanction Huawei. Am I beginning to build a picture here? This person Clay Shirky, is presenting things as he sees it, but with an agenda. He's missing out vital context. He's cherrypicking information that can quite easily be ripped apart. Sadly the interviewer here hasn't done enough research herself to be able to effective moderate, investigate or challenge the claims. She's merely taking him at his word. Now let's be clear - the asynchronous balance of companies not being able to operate in China, but China being able to operate internationally is an essential political tool that must be considered of course. This is the stuff that trade wars are made of. Frankly, I've known for a long time that TED no longer has any level of rigour in the content the publish. This takes that to a while new level though.
Who cares people need to GET OFF THE INTERNET!!! The internet, social media and reality tv have ruined everything. The digital age, technology has been so divisive. Get off screens and go live life!
This video really dives deep into the TikTok ban debate! It's fascinating how it ties into issues like national security and freedom of speech. What do you think the future holds for TikTok and its creators?
Tik tok needs to be banned. The entire app is a dumpster fire. Those that are ‘making a living’ off it need to get a real job. 💪 It’s time to stop making, ‘ditl’ and ‘what I wear’ content and doing something in the real world and making a difference to society.
Clay Shirky discusses the potential US TikTok ban, exploring national security concerns, freedom of speech implications, and geopolitical tensions. He analyzes the algorithm's role, impact on creators, and broader implications for US-China relations and social media regulation.
The issue is not freedom of speech, the issue is who has access to whatever data of the people. The main problem in the US itself is, there is next to no protection for the users as a money generator. They can do pretty much as they see fit. Collect anything they want, sell it to anyone willing to pay, and the user has next to no rights at all. Again, we failed to hold our elected officials accountable fo the job we supposedly elect them to do. But since there is big money involved, we only get to vote on already preselected people, approved by big money.
We need better privacy protection laws across the board for any media, social or otherwise.
I think the data issue is just a cover-up. Read about what happened with the Romanian elections just a couple of months ago. In short, elections had to be canceled because a TikTok candidate no-one was supporting (had zero donations declared) - was winning. It was then discovered a tiktok campaign supported by russia and allowed to happen by tiktok (Chinese governemnt) propelled his hashtag to TOP 7 in the WORLD. - so allowing tiktok in your country pretty much allows china and by extension russia to heavily influence elections. Putin laughed about it.
I swear every Ted video comments section is just bots talking to each other.
I think you’re right.
Dude no one even interacts that’s how you know 😂
Every comment ever...
thats what happens with fame duh
Please ban that absolute crap so i can have my wife back.
The difference with Temu is that they don't record and store audio/video and don't have the ability to spread mass propaganda. It's too much of a potential danger to allow to be unregulated.
@@-DM Gestures at Xitter. It played a pivotal role in the election and basically landed the Ceo in a prime government position and has already dictated to congress what legislation is allowed to pass. He nearly caused a government shutdown using the platform because the funding bill included security provisions that would have investigated his companies for collusion with foreign states.
@@-DM The bird app is arguably worse and hasn't seen any regulation whatsoever. The ceo is in a prime government position and has dictated to congress what bills are allowed to become law. He nearly caused a government shutdown because the last funding bill included security provisions that would investigate his companies for possible collusion with foreign governments.
@jordannoell4222 twitter isn't required to provide their entire user and tracking databases to foreign countries, tiktok is.
@-DM One app literally has led to a Ceo dictating laws and public policy, the other hasn't. Also, your claims about TikTok are pure speculation. TikTok has stated multiple times it does not provide data on foreign nationals to the CCP, all claims otherwise have not been proven. I don't even use the app, but the reasoning behind its ban is dubious at best, actively sinophobic at worst.
@@-DMOne has led to the ceo dictating public policy to congress, the other hasn't. Your claims about tiktok are pure speculation. Tiktok has stated multiple times it does not provide data on foreign nationals to its home government. No report from congress or media outlets has proven otherwise. The reasoning behind the ban is dubious at best.
Instagram and Fackbook also took another coutries' personal data , right?
If not it is because US companies follow the international law they made, so they are innocent toward that issues? I mean sometimes USA said it is international law and sometimes it is their national security issues, for me as foreigner they just treat and use the terms of international law as their taste
Who made this international law?
Why does USA say their national security at this moment and how about my personal information that I gave to Mirosoft, Apple etc as S korean..
Who made the rule and why it is matter right now?
@@asy9423 Both Russia and China ban Facebook and TH-cam for those same reasons.
The difference here is that Facebook/Meta isn't turning round and giving the data freely to the US government. In fact most civilised countries, things like warrants or court orders would be required to hand over data. In the UK for example (and most of the EU), data protection and GDPR are incredibly fierce, and Facebook/Meta are legally required to protect said data carefully, sadly the likes of TikTok basically ignore these data protection measures. In China, where TikTok and ByteDance are both headquartered the law structured such that companies are legally required to hand over any data requested by the Chinese Government.
TikTok is terrible, and it might be in Singapore, yet parent companies get all the access; meaning China. Also TikTok takes all your photos and videos even the ones you don’t upload, so it “goes faster” if you decide to place it on their platform. Limit your photos access.
How about USA ? I gave all the information to your country
@@asy9423 Enemies of the US do ban US owned social media for the same reasons. Data privacy is something everyone has to worry about. I'd recommend that everyone be careful when providing personal data to companies, no matter your country of residence.
I would shut TikTok down based on breaching of Copyright Laws full stop. It built its success on copyright law breaches prior to licensing music. Further to that, the sheer amount of people on that app who don't seem to understand that putting your face over another person's video and pointing to that video is a breach of copyright law in most territories. The flood of 'reaction' videos, the flood of TV and Film show 'clips' are all enough right there to close it down.
Likewise though this 'theorist', misses the point that it's not about TikTok having the data. This is why the law doesn't target Meta, Alphabet, or X. It is about the data being shared without warrant or court order with a foreign government. In the US, UK, and EU (Mostly) a government would be required to have a legal justification or reason to ask for and secure data from a private company. In China, a Chinese company - which TikTok is, having its parent company and algorithm owner headquartered in Beijing - is legally required to hand over data to the Chinese government without cause, suspicion or other process that we in the West implement. Now to address his wild claims about the PRISM program to which he refers, let's be clear on this the NSA found the program too unweidly to simply use a dragnet. More than that both international forces and US citizens also have had legal recourse. They've been able to take litigation against government actors and agencies. The EU was able to negotiate and able to legislate around these programs. The UK and EU still to this day continue to explore ways of preventing data being transferred to US soil. The same is impossible for a Chinese company. Much like it would be relatively impossible for a Russian company.
In fact, Russia and Kaspersky Labs is the perfect analogy here. Many people used Kaspersky computer security tools, or even simply password managers. Then the war in Ukraine broke out. The US government in particular banned Kaspersky labs from operating in the US market. So the idea that this is just a beef with China is ignorance on the part of Clay Shirky. The theorist simply is too ignorant of the larger scale picture to provide anything even close to expert analysis. Here's the real nail in his theories - Kaspersky is a full private company. Has been for decades. It has revealed to the world some of the biggest cybersecurity threats in existance. Yet the mere suggestion that they might have become tied to the Russia Government and there's a ban. So it didn't 'start with TikTok'.
Moving further two years ago it was found that Hauwei, another Chinese company had chips in their phones and routers that presented intolerable security threats. What happened next? The maker of these chips can no longer sell stuff in the US Market. Beyond just the US, the UK and parts of the EU have also taken steps to sanction Huawei.
Am I beginning to build a picture here? This person Clay Shirky, is presenting things as he sees it, but with an agenda. He's missing out vital context. He's cherrypicking information that can quite easily be ripped apart. Sadly the interviewer here hasn't done enough research herself to be able to effective moderate, investigate or challenge the claims. She's merely taking him at his word.
Now let's be clear - the asynchronous balance of companies not being able to operate in China, but China being able to operate internationally is an essential political tool that must be considered of course. This is the stuff that trade wars are made of.
Frankly, I've known for a long time that TED no longer has any level of rigour in the content the publish. This takes that to a while new level though.
They said this 2 years ago. Doubt it
Who cares people need to GET OFF THE INTERNET!!! The internet, social media and reality tv have ruined everything. The digital age, technology has been so divisive. Get off screens and go live life!
*_My take, someone just wants to shut down the competition. This show traces of what transpired with Samsung and Huawei._*
100% correct!
It is the fact
Please ban Temu and TikTok it’s such trash with many threads.
Talk more about the TikTok you see in the West vs the TikTok that's in China.
Utter brain rot 😂
Too much dramatic
Canadians are smarter , like most of the rest of the world.
This video really dives deep into the TikTok ban debate! It's fascinating how it ties into issues like national security and freedom of speech. What do you think the future holds for TikTok and its creators?
Are you a bot? How could you possibly know all that 12 mins in
@@mirror8049 😂
Tik tok needs to be banned. The entire app is a dumpster fire. Those that are ‘making a living’ off it need to get a real job. 💪 It’s time to stop making, ‘ditl’ and ‘what I wear’ content and doing something in the real world and making a difference to society.
Quiet bot
@@petsmart1000 mfers when they realize people with real jobs and real businesses use Tiktok as their best source of advertisement.
Clay Shirky discusses the potential US TikTok ban, exploring national security concerns, freedom of speech implications, and geopolitical tensions. He analyzes the algorithm's role, impact on creators, and broader implications for US-China relations and social media regulation.
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