Yeah but the reliability is so bad. My 13 FRS died at 70K. 70K. That’s rotary engine reliability. If Toyota puts an inline TOYOTA BUILT 4 I’d consider this. But as long as subaru is making the motors…. No way.
It has 2 doors, it is manual, it is simple, with modern amenities, it is a boxer engine, in other parts of the world it comes with the spare wheel as well as the exterior ones, it is relatively small, it has no electrification, it is anti-GoldDigger. Basically it is the perfect vehicle.
@@bc9554 It means that the only kind of woman who will think it's a good idea to have that vehicle is someone who knows about vehicles. For someone interested .... it's a Toyota.... With that value you could buy a used Mercedes, Audi, BMW, or Cadillac, which does appeal to interested girls, or flashy used vehicles like a Camaro or Mustang but with 4 cylinders. As a conclusion, with this vehicle you will avoid without a doubt an interested woman.
@@faygox955 Women do not care that much about the car you drive. Calling Ecoboost Camaros and Mustangs "flashy" is ridiculous. Everyone knows those cars are dirt cheap. A specked out RAV 4 costs more.
@@faygox955yea girl don’t pay attention to cars enough to look at a frs and think it’s a Toyota.most people just think it looks nice .if anything it leaves a good impression on people because it looks fancy incomparison to a Corolla
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For sure! I was honestly considering the car but wanted to be thorough in my research so I was nervous about what horror story I might hear in this video. Needless to say I'm pleasantly at ease with some of these potential shortcomings. If only they made a convertible variant of the GR86 ❤ A boy can dream, right...
I purchased a 2023 GR86 premium model. Couldn’t disagree more with this assessment video. I’ve driven BMW’s and Lexus. I wanted a compliment sports car to offset my Mercedes GLE 450. I could drive this GR86 everyday. Plenty of power for for streets. Handling is amazing. Interior panel and functions are simple, easy to use and perform perfectly. This car is a blast to drive. Find me a better bang for your buck. You won’t. You want a fun, cool sports car that doesn’t cost a fortune then this is it.
After driving some pretty dope cars through this TH-cam channel (see my JCDI linked in description) I appreciate this car MORE not less. It’s just that good
Dude they really aren't selling anymore GR86 here in Spain, I'm so sad, Europe is really full of boring people when driving, they don't like fun sports cars, like, man. I won't buy a GR86 for +86K€ just for people reselling the vehicle :c
I’m not buying this car because of speed.. I’m buying this car for driving experience, uniqueness, ownership, reliability, and overall beauty. If I wanted a fast car, I won’t look here.
I consistently get under 6 seconds for 0-60. That’s pretty good for a 30K car and doesn’t feel slow to me especially since I have another car that can do 0-60 in the low 4s
Here’s the thing though. In Europe it isn’t 30.000$, in Europe it’s 40.000€, which is more like 43.000$. At this price point, you can get better cars than this. If it was a 30.000€ car I would love to buy one, but it isn’t
@@Nishan113 for sure. For example in canada, the msrp for the prem MT model at 36k CAD is basically about 30k USD. My 2018 base was 21k USD in 2018 when i got it
@@Nishan113 those cars at 40,000 are not in the same category as a gr86. You can’t get a new 2800 pound sports car for under 40k besides a Miata. The next step above a gr86 is a Porsche Cayman which is double the price.
All you're saying is making me even more sure this is the car for me. 👍I just hope that I can actually find one in about a year, when it would make financial sense in my case...
dude i have a brz with the catback, header, coilever, small wing, wheels, race clutch and much more... and i can say the car is 100% worth it i love it so much
A full year into BRZ ownership and a lot of autocross runs have given me zero reason to sell. I’ve had some moments where I wondered but hands down this is the best all around enthusiast car I’ve owned. It has shown me so much about myself as a driver. I could see also trying an old MR2 or Cayman to get mid engine experience, or a Miata if I lived somewhere a convertible made sense.
Love this! Through this channel I've been fortunate to drive many amazing cars (see the JCDI in the description) and it's actually made me appreciate the GR86/BRZ twins even MORE because what they deliver at the price point is insane.
@@jubbalandcars Hi Kevin, I watched the video thoroughly and I have to apologize,I totally misunderstood, my bad, I feel stupid. Keep up the good work. Sorry, Lukas😔
If you’ve autocrossed you’ve voided your warranty… and flat motor means you’ve been starving that motor of oil every turn you take… probsbly about to blow
@@thejardz4787 they starve for oil out of the factory, 2k miles and the oil pickup tube full of rtv and bearing material in the oil pan, almost all of them are this way.
really ? i’m actually interested because i was debating on if i should get a camaro or an 86. i LOVE the thrill of going fast , that’s my thing, but where i live my roads have a lot of turns , just from experience which one would you recommend?
Honestly the 86/BRZ is fine for what it is. My friend has a GR86 and he’s been loving it. Sure I can outrun him with my Model 3 but it doesn’t matter. As for space, I drove a 135i for a while, never had issues. As long as you have a different car for family use, any coupe will work perfectly. You really got to adjust your standards accordingly to price. For price, the 86 is a great value. Sure you can’t outrun a Model 3 or have 135i interior but those things won’t matter when you are having fun and are paying about half the price. I can see why my friend likes it so much.
Yeah but no one buys a BRZ for straight line performance. It would slam the model 3 in an actual track race and the 135i isn’t even in the same price bracket.
@@callsign_cerberus159 model 3 is surprsingly quick around autocross and track because it has even lower COG than the gr86, but with that being said there's not a single car that's more fun than a gr86 by a good mile in any range
@@Pharaoh_The_Great lol whatever you can comfortably afford. while also taking care of needs and saving and investing enough. i recommend you should be making at least 75-80k a year
I’m the idiot who traded down from Guilia Ti with a lot more speed, comfort & ‘room’. I couldn’t be happier finally a sub 3k lbs rwd that I don’t tap my fingers waiting to get to speed. What really get a laugh is 3x’s I’ve been told groceries won’t fit. Didn’t even use passenger seat. If you don’t have kids and don’t need a car that breaks speed limit in 4 sec then get this car. If anything happens to my BRZ I’m getting another
Don't worry about the blind dislikers who just read the title and nothing else, as a lover of this car who can also realize its downsides, great video!!
All I'm hearing is that the car is a great daily driver and that is enough for me because I am looking for a new RWD manual, if I was looking for a track car I would most likely choose older cars that I'm less scared to push.
I'm giving up my veloster for this car. Can't wait. I'll have to get used to the rear wheel drive. Fishtailed a little between 1st and 2nd on my test drive lol. First thing I'm doing is going to a large church parking lot!
@sizzlacalunji I did. I've had my gr86 for almost 18 months now. I love it, but I would tell Toyota/Subaru to put some oh shit handles in the roof for the passenger. This car squats when you push the engine ❤️
As an owner of one, don't listen to this man. 0-60 in 5 seconds. So much fun. Easy drifting and great on curves. The downside is that the suspension is rough. I'd upgrade that and exhaust. Otherwise this car is great if a V8 is too much for you. ALSO SIDE NOTE... HKS makes a supercharger 😉 makes hp go up to 320-350 horses😩
Mfs always focus on 0-60 in a straight line. The fun part is working on your car to make it better P.S. I test drove this beauty and holy mother of everything that's divine, the handling and feel is superb for it's class. I know what I'm saving for now gimme, I dunno, 4 years for the market to heal a bit (haha right)
its all about passing ppl(genuine euro dipshits) that want to speed into an onramp like a 270deg onramp....w.o realizing its a 2 laner.....and they slash into the inner most lane....as i pass them on my elantra on the outside....while merging from behind them in teh first place...mid ramp...as they wind up needing to use the outer lane to merge to the FWY....all bc i have some Decent tires....never TRUST a person driving a DIRTY AF luxury car....just a vapid mook that doesnt even clean their "NICE STUFF" with neglect and probably shit tires too. Gotta lettem know.
I’m on the fence with this car. I’m definitely an enthusiast, ever since I bought my 240sx in 2000 and did the SR swap and the whole 9. I almost want to chase that experience, lightweight, rwd, manual, etc. I’m just hoping it doesn’t feel too slow, but I have hopes it won’t. I’m currently in a 335i w upgraded suspension, fbo, tuned, xhp stage 3. I love driving it so much, to the point where I come up with places to go and make excuses to drive it. It’s getting up there in miles though and it’s slowly transitioning to my fun weekend car. My other vehicle is older, always overheating, and I need a good commute car. Its 30 min fun twisty backroads and 30 min interstate. So I was gonna get like a civic or corolla, but was thinking the gr86 could fill that roll AND keep the fun in my commute.
Did you end up buying it in stuck between this and a 370z I love mountains live in ga have E36 m3 that I’m going to big turbo as my insane interstate demon but want a fun coupe to daily for the twisties
Once you realize that it's more fun to have a car like this that is focused on being lightweight balanced handling, you realise that it inspires you to drive a certain way and you're enjoying the whole way. The other heavier cars with more power doesnt even inspire you to drive them fast. Theyre too heavy and bulky its like your overweight and trying to move around quickly. This is perfect to tune for a track weapon balanced and the most fun while being practical living with.
One reason that nobody mentions is that… women hate this car. They think it is cool the first date, but after that it’s just complaints. Hard to to get into, too rough, I’m cold. And if you are deeper into the relationship, they hate it because it is a symbol of your independence. Only one solution. Get a new girlfriend
The track time reason is incorrect in truth. This car does need better tires for good lap times, but this car was made to be fast around a track and it is. Looking at multiple outlets the premium trim 86 is faster than many cars above its price.
@@jubbalandcars yes sir, I miss my S2k a lot so this is the next best thing. Still debating if I should snag the base coming to my dealer next month or hold off for a premium allotment.
I’m sure the average person don’t have $30k cash sitting around so depending on your down payment, credit, interest rate and other monthly expenses, I doubt no one want to deal with $670+ payments plus insurance. It’s better to get the previous gen as far as affordability goes.
My son bought a 2022 6 speed manual premium a week ago and as someone that’s owned camaro’s and driven alot of rear drive sports cars I gotta say I was shocked at how good it is when I gave it the beans.
If you want to buy a reliable sports car in a price range I don't think you can beat this. If you don't want to go big bucks then you have plenty of choices.
6:36 honestly surprised with this bit about the steering, when I heard the GR Corolla was going to have electric steering I was expecting it to be worse than the GR 86. I've only driven the GR Corolla, so I thought the GR 86 would have just as heavy steering with more feedback. The car I drove before was an aw11 mr2, and it had completely unassisted steering, and honestly going from it to the GRC was surprisingly not a big jump, the GRC has relatively heavy steering, but not enough to strain my arms as sometimes has happened with low speeds on my AW11.
@@jubbalandcars Very true, I had my aw11's bushings completely redone with Urethane and I remember how incredibly sensitive the wheel was, it was almost too sensitive for the highway tbh. For the GR I'd say is nearly just as accurate only on Sport mode steering.
I stumbled upon your page but I'm really enjoying the content. It's logical, descriptive and just overall good content. I don't know if you focus on more than just this car but I'm going to check you out. Keep it up man.
I have a big dog and I just brought my GR86 home today, my pup loves hanging out the window for car rides but I would have to be beyond foolish to put a big dog with big claws anywhere near this car. I’m genuinely considering keeping my Honda that costs me around $800-1000 a year to insure and register just so I have something for the pup and storage. The car has also accumulated a lot of memories over the past decade, it’s hard to see it go
been thinking about getting an 86/FRS for a bit now. have been dailying an old honda and all the things you listed are still somehow upgrades from my current car
my cousin bought the 23 model and had the boys install a turbo kit. she sits at about 230kw and god damn that thing is a track weapon now. a turbo version does all the things and is super happy doing it. ok, it cost a tad to install the turbo and he probably needs to take it back to the shop for a heavier clutch but he couldn't be happier.
This video is 6 reason to buy one lolol. As a new GR86 owner (1 month in) coming from a really clean 2000 BMW e36 (yup no tech) & my wifes auto Kia Cerato, my opinion is that the car is perfect for a sportier daily. I also got the 2025 model in manual which has adaptive cruise, game changer for me but I'm pushing 50 yrs old for reference lol. Had lots of sports bikes etc over the years so not chasing speed, that gets you in trouble real quick. Upsides (as a daily): - Plenty of space for a couple and 2 small dogs - Nice blend of old and new tech, love the big dials - Handles like a beast and not stupid power ...GR Yaris was too much for me for fun on the street - Looks like an Aston in silver - Insurance is under $1K in Australia, my wife's Kia cost more! (NA and 4 seats ftw!) - Love the eyesight, perfect blend of safety tech for daily and you can turn it off. - Little loud on HWY but not stupid. Am going to insulate torsion bars as per reddit thread - Nice balance of "raw feel" from the engine - you know it's there, but it's not in your face all the time (I'm yet to disconnect the audio, but am in break in so under 5k RPM still) Downsides: - Fuel economy, I'm getting 10L / 100km in Australia which is liveable, but that is absolutely babying it during break in period. - Oil starvation, I'd love to track it (mate has a lotus 410) but that scares the heck out of me, so will prob never see a track - Clutch needs adjusting, should be easy fix If it just had an "economy mode" it'd be perfect with today's premium fuel prices ...but, considering the insurance and service costs of like $300 a year it's amazing. Just don't watch the fuel bars lol.
Anytime I hear someone say straight line speed is boring I think “my people”. Yawn fest for me as well. A high HP car isn’t taking twisties any faster than a GR86 will. I definitely prefer driving dynamics over 0-60 times any day
My GR86 is finally arriving next week. Ordered it in March '22, but it's worth the wait. I already talked to a lot of people who just don't get the point of the car, especially here in Germany where top speed matters to quite a lot of people. My Daily is a '09 Mercedes E 320 CDI estate, which is the perfect contrast. Fast on the Autobahn, great on fuel, comfortable and very practical. That's great for everyday driving, but fun? No. And that's where the GR86 is pretty much unbeatable for the price.
The last point, You Need Luxury, really hit me hard and that is coming from an owner of Mazda 3 2022. It may not be German, but this interior spoiled me so much that is the only reason why it is holding me back, along with the road/wind noise (which I can understand). I still have 4 years to think whether to grab a Mazda Miata or Toyota GR86. Great video!
I drove an MR2 Spyder as my home health car 100-150 miles/day for 10 years. If ya gotta drive you might as well have fun. I miss it, I need to take a closer look at the 86.
I had a 2018 WRX automatic, 2019 WRX manual, 2021 STI....now trading the STI for a 2024 BRZ tS....living in the city, the BRZ is the way to go. The novelty of high performance cars wears off after a few years, the BRZ is sexy, handles well, is NA, better fuel economy, is still faster/quicker than the majority of cars out on the road. It's performance is dialed in just right for every day city driving, power right where you need it. You're not going to be pulling 310HP in an STI driving on 50-60km roads, let alone jam packed 401/QEW highways. The BRZ is best suited for those types of roads.
what's your advice on being able to warm up the car on a track day? 1 lap ? 2 lap? Considering that some cars takes like 15 min to even get the oil temp up (when daily driving). The transmission , tires, Driver, also needs to warm up , etc. BTW, I know some nice roads to hit if you don't know about them. Its great places to practice low speed foot work. I call it the Touge of Summerlin.
At least 1-2 warmup laps when you go out is key. On all components. Including brakes which will otherwise warp. Ask me how I know. Let’s hear about the togue of Summerlin
@@jubbalandcars there are roads that connect from downtown summerlin to bishop Gorman that has elevation changes, roundabouts, and straights. Very fun.
From asking the GR86 reddit community, they said that the car have great grip and you can speed in corner with the car being good at gripping, and in the video you do say that the car isn't that grippy and it's play full, idk who to believe lol.
PLEASE get Toyota/Subaru to release a Corrective Action on the RTV silicone clogging up the oil pickup tube strainer. There is way too much RTV silicone being applied from the factory and pieces are breaking off and clogging up the oil pickup tube strainer enough to damage engines. PLEASE get Toyota/Subaru corporate to fix this issue and use simple gaskets!!
@@hhaste It's a Subaru motor and by design is flawed. Nothing lost. Subaru quality has been drastically falling for years now. Not to mention don't turn too hard to the right...the oil pressure drops in this motor! lol
@@user-cg7cc7zj3elol you realize the history of this engine? Originally Toyota but the designer went to Subaru and was apparently such a nice guy he managed to build a bridge with this design many decades ago. At one point it was the ceclica that was carrying on this design, scion later did as well, this is just the most recent interation of that mans design.
My 3 weeks of ownership review, I did not buy the car as a daily driver. I would not drive one everyday. It is not a comfortable suspension and you feel every bump on the road. Its a fun car to have in the garage that does not burn the bank, like the supra. I am not too concerned about the RTV issue. I won't be driving it a lot and certainly not on the track. Everyone's engine would have burnt out before i have serious miles on it. I get the thumbs up from other drivers and I notice other cars trying to get closer, to see what this car is. You cannot treat it as a regular car.
I disagree. It’s great as a daily driver. I bought an old land Rover as my second car for the weekends. I’m doing the opposite of you and I gotta say, it’s working out great.
Well.. it's a sports car for track and or for everyday commute. People like me are interested in this cheap sport car because it still gives you the experience to drive a sports car it's a power-friendly, budget-friendly balanced car.
I have the first gen with 4X 255 width 200TW tires, high capacity suspension, clutch pack LSD, many chassis geometry tweaks (including anti geometries), locked steering rack, small weight reductions and more. It is very fast at my local track, much faster than OEM Veloster N, 370Z, GR86, Tesla model S, WRX, etc, it pulls very high g-forces, 1.6g+ with spikes above 2gs, the center of gravity is very low. The biggest weakness was the OEM Torsen differential, it is unbelievably bad at the limit. Only now I feel like adding power, before that it would have make the weaknesses even worst. Great car if you plan on using aftermarket components, it feels so good now.
Did you rebuild the factory diff with the clutch type LSD or do an entirely different rear? I had a torsen in my camaro factory and the clutch type I replaced it with was way better.
Yeah, it did take a lot of work/tuning to make it behave with OEM power, big tires/alignment, thick oil, LSD will take away power, it is left behind on hills and straits, the car is very impressive on corner/brake/anything in it's way now lol, I bought a blown engine for 350$ to rebuild with lower compression, I went with a used FBM turbo kit, not yet installed, it will match a 911 one day :D
The rtv issue still haunts me tho:/ have had mine for a year now and no problem at all some glitches on turning signals but all and all it’s super fun but that rtv issue is always in the back of my head which is why I don’t like pushing the car too hard
I live in Hawaii were it doesn't matter how fast your car is or even fuel economy because you'll be driving 5-10 mph in bumper to bumper traffic on the freeway all day every day until you're ready to jump headfirst off a tall cliff. I did get to go the speed limit once...about 4 years ago during covid lockdown and all the tourists left.......it was so nice. 😊 All that being said, I'm buying one tomorrow, fk it.
I had a 2013 frs and was daily driving it as well as canyon runs and road-trips, the car never had any maintenance issues whatsoever. However, just 10k miles after the recall for the valve springs my engine starved of oil and I spun a bearing and blew a hole in the short block. 126k miles on the car was very impressive nonetheless. Car is now gone but I’m looking at a 2015 rs1, the new gens are hideous to me and the frs was and is the best looking version of all 3 imo
take one of them off ramps that are very round and posted at 25-35 mph at around double that, watch what happens to the suv lololol and if you think im trying to kill you, my ford edge (a 4k pound suv) takes those at 2x the posted limit, so i think a brz would be fine at that or even higher
XD once i 2 foot breaked in a roundabout when a M beamer SUV was trying to gate me....fool almost jumped the turn LMFAO i was just in my regular elantra daily delivery driver that gets 200MI+ a day under my belt on a good day LMFAO that knows how to actually MOVE a car. I do the same thing every time i get on my local area of work...a few onramps...i pass 4d beamer sedans in the outside 270deg ramp. Tire peformance and psi etc...really matters not that it equates to tire life esp on FF LOL. ADD rain to the equation EVEN More LUL.
Most of your claims of why it's bad is due to reasons of personal preferences. This car is not made for highway racing, luxury, or you need extra space for groceries or friends..... so yeah..... that's more on the lack of knowledge for the buyer if they didn't already know what this car is made for. Great video thanks for sharing.
I wish toyota made it into a liftback like Celica or Nissan S13(240sx) were. There isnt a single liftback 2+2 coupe on the market and it would make it infinetly more practical. Subaru wanted to make shooting brake BRZ at one point they made a concept in 2013 for it called Cross Sports. We were so close to having a very practical sportscar for little money, buy either they couldnt because toyota didnt allow them or they did not feel like investing into making it into production. It would have rear headroom for adults and giant hatchback like trunk(but still much flatter than say BMW 1 series 3 door)
I had three big dogs until they passed but I took the passenger seat out and they all three sat in a row where the second seat went 😅. Also a twin hitch and 15 foot cannoe with trolling motor towed behind ❤
well, a great dane fits in the back seat of a wrx and he was perfectly fine despite touching both doors. he adjusted as necessary and enjoyed the drive...
@Taylor-dt2wd maybe if I were a dirty mother fucker the pits get baths every 2 weeks and the husky goes to petsmart to get groomed. Not every one's a dirty mf
I'd welcome comments or insights to my test drive experience with the GR86. I've owned 7 cars, all of them manual transmissions. Other than the 3 SUVs I've had the rest were FWD. I've had a 2011 Mini Cooper S (MCS) for the past 12 years and have loved the go kart handling, brisk acceleration and fun factor. I've been thinking that in the next year of two I'll be ready for a new car and a change. I was lusting after the Veloster N (I love hot hatches) but it was unfortunately discontinued. It seems that the auto industry is going in the direction of distancing the driving experience rather than catering to those who enjoy driving so the options of a driver's car are shrinking. The GR86/ BRZ caught my eye, especially after reviews that this latest generation had addressed its weaknesses. I had a test drive the other day, I wanted to love this car but I was disappointed. I use my back seat about one week a year but when you need it you need it. I've found the MCS's back seat adequate, maybe not for a cross country trip with 4 adults but for a day trip it's okay. The back seat of the GR86 was not as useable as the Mini's. I adjusted the driver's seat for my driving position (I'm 5'8") got out and tried to get into the seat behind it. I got my body into place but wasn't able to stuff my size 11 shoes into the space behind the driver's seat. I moved the driver's seat up a couple of inches and was able to get fully into the back seat. I then had the 5'10" salesman sit in the seat behind me both to see if a taller person could fit and also to see how far up I'd have to move the driver's seat. Once he got in I moved the seat back and could've driven in this less than ideal position but he had to duck his head slightly as it was brushing the rear window. Starting to be a deal breaker. A big plus of the GR86 of the MCS was the cargo space. It was easily double that of the Mini. I recently took a 4000 mile road trip and I had to keep the rear seat of the Mini folded down to accomodate our 2 overhead size suitcases. The GR86 would've stored them pretty easily. I liked the interior of the 86 as well as the feel of its shifter. Visibility however was noticeably better in the Mini. Once we were out on the road I intentionally took a 90 degree right turn a little fast, but probably not more than 20mph. The 86 fishtailed alot and then swerved after the correction. The Mini would not have budged off of its intended track. As Jubbal mentioned at about 3:20 some people like the sliding. I don't and to me it's not a positive thing. I drive in a spirited way but I don't go to track days where slides can be done in a controlled and safe manner. This too was a deal breaker and unless they reintroduce the Veloster N or some other new car that I find exciting the Mini has recaptured its position as my next car. I know that alot of people have a strong preference for RWD cars. Other than driving my parents' car when I was a new driver years ago or driving a rental I don't drive RWD cars. I'd appreciate meaningful comments about my experience if you have them or insights into pros and cons of FWD vs. RWD. Thanks and stay safe out there.
it sounds like this car isnt for you unless you could afford keeping it as a 2nd car which many cant, i think the mx5 miata would solve all your fishtail issues though but its a way less practical car and also should be kept as a 2nd car toy
@@shevetlevi2821 I have a test drive this week. I live in wisconsin and its cold, so it will be interesting taking a premium model with summer focused tires around. Depending on how the drive goes, it will tell me a yes or no for a new daily. Currently I have a 2022 corolla se sedan with a cvt.
@@goblinfire475 Enjoy the drive and hopefully it will be decisive for you. Having driven FWD cars my entire life the quirks that annoy some drivers I guess I'm just used to. In any case I'm sure the fun factor will double compared to the Corolla. Good luck.
When people mention that cars are great and fun at cornering but not straight line speed, I have to wonder where the hell in the US they drive where 99% of roads aren't straight lines.
Bought my FRS in 2013. Autocrossed it since 2014. Won a regional championship with it, daily drive it in yhe winter and brought my kids to daycar and school in it for 7 years. All I had in it was an air filter, cat back and crash bolts. Had to change the sway bar bushings... yeah it was a damn f'n great car.
@@immunity4soulthe 2 back seats. A rear facing seat will only fit the passenger side with the front seat pushed forward. But forward facings are fine until they hit a certain height. Lets just say we didn't take family trips in it.
I own a pretty beat up 2014 frs and sat in a GR86 at the NY auto show and it sold me on the idea of getting one of these to daily drive so I can use the frs as a project car to lift and take on dirt roads
Telling people they're not watching their oil temps is absurd. It means the car has insufficient cooling capacity. You don't make a car that people will drive on track that can't cool itself properly. It's not even fast, so it shouldn't have cooling issues.
ONE thing I hate about this car (and not literally the car itself) is that these v8-engine motor- heads -that -recently -bought -a stock -v8 -and -recently -got into -the -car scene always think this car “looks fast” and always want a race. If anyone who is truly into the car scene from JDM to Euro to American muscle would already KNOW that this car is s l o w and would appreciate its handling capabilities and I guess you can say drifting. Recently met a dude at a quick trip with a Hellcat that was shocked he was able to see a GR86 when he saw me pull up. People like him really are the reason why the car community is great. Straight line performance isn’t always everything in a car.
I know everyone has an opinion but I just bought a Gr86 and it's quite impressive he is talking bout lap times and a small back seat we all know it's not a family car, sounds like he is knit picking just my opinion
My favorite car I’ve personally ever owned was a 2010 Lexus IS250 Convertible. 206 horsepower dragging a 3800 (3950 with me in it) pound dead horse down the road. I liked it though! The word I always thought of to describe the driving was "planted". This was a car that could take a turn on a highway at 110 without sliding… it was insane! It took a few business days to get to 110, but with the top down who cares! Going to this from an 07 Acura MDX, the near completely eliminated risk of a roll over was also quite nice 😂
I haven't lived there in 13 years, but I think I recognize a whole bunch of spots in this video. Is this in Northwest Las Vegas? If I'm wrong, apologies. But thanks for giving me some nostalgia for a few minutes there! Thanks for a great video. I appreciate the information in this video, my dude! I've never owned a rear wheel drive car and I was looking at the GR86 Premium and the NIssan Z (I guess I should probably put the Supra up against the Z. Price isn't an issue) I guess I won't truly know until I go drive the damn things. Great video essay about the ToyNOta lol Subbed - leifo
Really liked the video and agree for the most part. I will say that I've seen a lot of posts calling this car everything from "slow" to "very slow", and that's just not true. The car is NOT fast. That's true. Buuuut it's not any variation of slow either lol. It's quick. Still has an athletic like acceleration (even the auto, I know sinful). My point is, I think most people think this car has the acceleration of a commuter car in a sports car like shell. That's not true. It's still faster than most cars on the road lol
I really love the look of the 2nd gen GR86 but im struggling with two of the points you brought up.. 1 the performance.. I know its like a Miata where HP isnt everything but coming from a GTI & 328I both tuned I feel like I will miss the power... And Point 6 the interior... I know its probaly not bad but once you dabble in VW/BMW interiors even Mazda like you said its hard to go back to a budget basic interior.. Sometimes Its like I wish I never knew what a higher end interior was like because I never use to care. Still the 86 seems like a pure drivers car and I can get behind that.
if you buy a GR86, you get a GR86. if you want more space, buy an SUV. if you want more power/speed, buy a gt3, huracan, etc. if you want something more luxurious, buy a bentley, RR, etc. if you buy a compact entry-level sports coupe, you don't also get to complain about compact entry-level sports coupe performance or downsides. it's pay-to-play baby. porsches and lambos cost more for a reason, so either pay-up or shut-up lol no car is everything for everyone. you're going to have to compromise a little somewhere. figure out what you want/need and buy car(s) that meet as many of your desires/requirements as possible.
Hi, I’m from Taiwan. Really love ur videos n ur comments. I am going to get a GR86 too, on the waiting list hope to get it this spring. I am wondering what have you upgraded ur GR86?
Jubbal & Cars- I have a first grn BRZ and a brother of mine has a 2015 FRS, great cars. You didn't have any issues with the valve springs on your 2013 FRS?
The problem is subaru engines suck. Subaru admitted their problems in '02 and then proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it. If this car had the B48 engine, it would have been an absolute monster and given the 86 unreal tuning potential.
the new 2022 brz is much better, and a simple small procharger will make these things absolute street monsters. You keep that driver experience but gain all the power BRZ owners and onlookers have been complaining about for years. the mx5 suffers similar issues, super light and a true drivers care with wonderful feedback, zippy but not really fast. a little boost goes a long way. I have had the pleasure of being in a couple procharged older brzs now, not one of the new years yet...they really are everything you want in a car...except it snows here. A stock brz can be managed in the snow with winter tires, but a procharged one is a real challenge. For that reason, people like me end up getting a larger heavier awd wrx with a lot more power that cant out drag a stock brz just to be able to play year round. Seriously, if I could figure out how to 70/30 r/f awd a brz somehow, I really feel it wouldlt rob people of the driver experience, although it would alter it a lot. more money than its worth tho right. If anyone out there loves the BRZ but dogs the power this is what I can say...they FEEL fast behind the wheel, even bone stock. They feel really fast with a little boost and frankly, they get sketchy fast with moderate boost. Trust me, you can have your cake and eat it too with a conservative boost...and you will absolutely roast every single one of your sti/wrx owning friends...much to our upset.
It’s not always about the speed 😏 only a few people understand this.
That's why I loved my 04 sti so much.
My 85 mr2 with around 112hp was more fun to drive on the back roads than my 19 Zl1 1le. It's not always about horsepower.
Yes. The ones that can't afford a more expensive car 😂
Speed is a money competition. Handling is a skill competition
Yeah but the reliability is so bad. My 13 FRS died at 70K. 70K. That’s rotary engine reliability. If Toyota puts an inline TOYOTA BUILT 4 I’d consider this. But as long as subaru is making the motors…. No way.
It has 2 doors, it is manual, it is simple, with modern amenities, it is a boxer engine, in other parts of the world it comes with the spare wheel as well as the exterior ones, it is relatively small, it has no electrification, it is anti-GoldDigger.
Basically it is the perfect vehicle.
...like an RX-8 (similar anti-gold digger properties).
what does anti-golddigger mean
@@bc9554 It means that the only kind of woman who will think it's a good idea to have that vehicle is someone who knows about vehicles.
For someone interested .... it's a Toyota.... With that value you could buy a used Mercedes, Audi, BMW, or Cadillac, which does appeal to interested girls, or flashy used vehicles like a Camaro or Mustang but with 4 cylinders.
As a conclusion, with this vehicle you will avoid without a doubt an interested woman.
@@faygox955 Women do not care that much about the car you drive. Calling Ecoboost Camaros and Mustangs "flashy" is ridiculous. Everyone knows those cars are dirt cheap. A specked out RAV 4 costs more.
@@faygox955yea girl don’t pay attention to cars enough to look at a frs and think it’s a Toyota.most people just think it looks nice .if anything it leaves a good impression on people because it looks fancy incomparison to a Corolla
This video sells this car better than most videos recommending it.
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LOL yea i got confused
@@DHunter_47 you're mentally ill
For sure! I was honestly considering the car but wanted to be thorough in my research so I was nervous about what horror story I might hear in this video. Needless to say I'm pleasantly at ease with some of these potential shortcomings. If only they made a convertible variant of the GR86 ❤ A boy can dream, right...
@@DoverBoy20 yes the video is a thinly disguised attempt to praise the car for its many strengths
Watched this to talk myself out of getting a gr86, and I have now talked myself INTO getting one 🤣
good for you
LOL!
Watch a few of @corners cz gr86 videos. You're gonna want one fs. Just got my mine a week ago and I love it.
I purchased a 2023 GR86 premium model. Couldn’t disagree more with this assessment video. I’ve driven BMW’s and Lexus. I wanted a compliment sports car to offset my Mercedes GLE 450. I could drive this GR86 everyday. Plenty of power for for streets. Handling is amazing. Interior panel and functions are simple, easy to use and perform perfectly. This car is a blast to drive. Find me a better bang for your buck. You won’t. You want a fun, cool sports car that doesn’t cost a fortune then this is it.
After driving some pretty dope cars through this TH-cam channel (see my JCDI linked in description) I appreciate this car MORE not less. It’s just that good
I'm saving up ill join the club soon
Dude they really aren't selling anymore GR86 here in Spain, I'm so sad, Europe is really full of boring people when driving, they don't like fun sports cars, like, man. I won't buy a GR86 for +86K€ just for people reselling the vehicle :c
True but the cachet is not there and many do at least subconsciously care about that. Only car people know how good this car is...
@@fatesenvy me too in a few years, i hope
I’m not buying this car because of speed.. I’m buying this car for driving experience, uniqueness, ownership, reliability, and overall beauty. If I wanted a fast car, I won’t look here.
I consistently get under 6 seconds for 0-60. That’s pretty good for a 30K car and doesn’t feel slow to me especially since I have another car that can do 0-60 in the low 4s
what altitude do you live in? I’m about 4700’ above sea level and I get 6.2 on hot pavement.
@@daviddedos about 2300’ above sea level
Here’s the thing though. In Europe it isn’t 30.000$, in Europe it’s 40.000€, which is more like 43.000$. At this price point, you can get better cars than this. If it was a 30.000€ car I would love to buy one, but it isn’t
@@Nishan113 for sure. For example in canada, the msrp for the prem MT model at 36k CAD is basically about 30k USD. My 2018 base was 21k USD in 2018 when i got it
@@Nishan113 those cars at 40,000 are not in the same category as a gr86. You can’t get a new 2800 pound sports car for under 40k besides a Miata. The next step above a gr86 is a Porsche Cayman which is double the price.
Bought my first car, a 2016 FRS and I have zero regrets. I've been daily driving it for half a year and I still love it to death.
Very different from the new models
Love to hear it! I loved my 2013 FRS when I had it!
Same here 🙏
How’s the reliability been? N how many miles?
Whats about oil pressure? Issue is it solved in it
All you're saying is making me even more sure this is the car for me. 👍I just hope that I can actually find one in about a year, when it would make financial sense in my case...
dude i have a brz with the catback, header, coilever, small wing, wheels, race clutch and much more... and i can say the car is 100% worth it i love it so much
Same
A full year into BRZ ownership and a lot of autocross runs have given me zero reason to sell. I’ve had some moments where I wondered but hands down this is the best all around enthusiast car I’ve owned. It has shown me so much about myself as a driver. I could see also trying an old MR2 or Cayman to get mid engine experience, or a Miata if I lived somewhere a convertible made sense.
Love this! Through this channel I've been fortunate to drive many amazing cars (see the JCDI in the description) and it's actually made me appreciate the GR86/BRZ twins even MORE because what they deliver at the price point is insane.
@@jubbalandcars Hi Kevin, I watched the video thoroughly and I have to apologize,I totally misunderstood, my bad, I feel stupid. Keep up the good work. Sorry, Lukas😔
If you’ve autocrossed you’ve voided your warranty… and flat motor means you’ve been starving that motor of oil every turn you take… probsbly about to blow
@@thejardz4787 and you know this how?
@@thejardz4787 they starve for oil out of the factory, 2k miles and the oil pickup tube full of rtv and bearing material in the oil pan, almost all of them are this way.
Fuel economy. For a small, light, sleek, low displacement car I'd expect at least 30 mpg on the highway.
Yup that's my problem Supra gets better
Great point
@@SunSunSunn straight driving with no traffic in the midwest prob attributed to that
the car takes premium gas on top of that!
I talked to guy a who owns a Supra and said he got avg 17 mpg😐. Supra not better
I came from a scatpack challenger to a 86. I do NOT regret it, 86 is terrifying on the back roads. The scat was boring in about a month.
really ? i’m actually interested because i was debating on if i should get a camaro or an 86. i LOVE the thrill of going fast , that’s my thing, but where i live my roads have a lot of turns , just from experience which one would you recommend?
Honestly the 86/BRZ is fine for what it is. My friend has a GR86 and he’s been loving it. Sure I can outrun him with my Model 3 but it doesn’t matter. As for space, I drove a 135i for a while, never had issues. As long as you have a different car for family use, any coupe will work perfectly.
You really got to adjust your standards accordingly to price. For price, the 86 is a great value. Sure you can’t outrun a Model 3 or have 135i interior but those things won’t matter when you are having fun and are paying about half the price. I can see why my friend likes it so much.
Yeah but no one buys a BRZ for straight line performance. It would slam the model 3 in an actual track race and the 135i isn’t even in the same price bracket.
@@callsign_cerberus159 model 3 is surprsingly quick around autocross and track because it has even lower COG than the gr86, but with that being said there's not a single car that's more fun than a gr86 by a good mile in any range
dont care im buying it
Deadass, going to test drive tomorrow
@Carrymedadda how's the clutch and the gear shift?
@@Adam-ul9pxgreat. I’m a noob and I can feel the bite point and it’s not stressful in traffic
How’s the payments?
@@Pharaoh_The_Great lol whatever you can comfortably afford. while also taking care of needs and saving and investing enough. i recommend you should be making at least 75-80k a year
I’m the idiot who traded down from Guilia Ti with a lot more speed, comfort & ‘room’. I couldn’t be happier finally a sub 3k lbs rwd that I don’t tap my fingers waiting to get to speed.
What really get a laugh is 3x’s I’ve been told groceries won’t fit. Didn’t even use passenger seat.
If you don’t have kids and don’t need a car that breaks speed limit in 4 sec then get this car.
If anything happens to my BRZ I’m getting another
I have 2 kids and want to get one lol. We only use her car for transporting the kids anyway.
Don't worry about the blind dislikers who just read the title and nothing else, as a lover of this car who can also realize its downsides, great video!!
All I'm hearing is that the car is a great daily driver and that is enough for me because I am looking for a new RWD manual, if I was looking for a track car I would most likely choose older cars that I'm less scared to push.
It’s great as a daily and track weapon
I'm giving up my veloster for this car. Can't wait. I'll have to get used to the rear wheel drive. Fishtailed a little between 1st and 2nd on my test drive lol. First thing I'm doing is going to a large church parking lot!
@@ambientweets8408 Did you give up the Veloster? If so, did you get the GR86?
@sizzlacalunji I did. I've had my gr86 for almost 18 months now. I love it, but I would tell Toyota/Subaru to put some oh shit handles in the roof for the passenger.
This car squats when you push the engine ❤️
I was kind of expecting this to be cheap click bait, but this video is actually informative and real.
I drive a 2023 zl1 1le….just bought a 2024 trueno for my kid….i fell in love with it. The zl1 is work, the gr86 is just fun.
Bought my BRZ back in 2013 and still have it today. I still smile when I drive on an empty winding road
You surprisingly made me want the car more lol
hell yeah i love this thing
@@jubbalandcars huh??
As an owner of one, don't listen to this man. 0-60 in 5 seconds. So much fun. Easy drifting and great on curves. The downside is that the suspension is rough. I'd upgrade that and exhaust. Otherwise this car is great if a V8 is too much for you. ALSO SIDE NOTE... HKS makes a supercharger 😉 makes hp go up to 320-350 horses😩
I completely disagree with nonsense, we can't even buy these in the UK....!!!! You should be buying these cars because they will hold value
Main reason for anyone that would buy GR86 that take you from point A to point B. 💯👍🏽
yoo i'd recognize that street light anywhere (honestly idk why but its memorable) you live in the las vegas area me too!! its at 0:47
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@@jubbalandcars i may have seen your car b4 but not all to sure i drive a 22 brz bc im a subi bro
Mfs always focus on 0-60 in a straight line. The fun part is working on your car to make it better
P.S.
I test drove this beauty and holy mother of everything that's divine, the handling and feel is superb for it's class. I know what I'm saving for now gimme, I dunno, 4 years for the market to heal a bit (haha right)
its all about passing ppl(genuine euro dipshits) that want to speed into an onramp like a 270deg onramp....w.o realizing its a 2 laner.....and they slash into the inner most lane....as i pass them on my elantra on the outside....while merging from behind them in teh first place...mid ramp...as they wind up needing to use the outer lane to merge to the FWY....all bc i have some Decent tires....never TRUST a person driving a DIRTY AF luxury car....just a vapid mook that doesnt even clean their "NICE STUFF" with neglect and probably shit tires too. Gotta lettem know.
I’m on the fence with this car. I’m definitely an enthusiast, ever since I bought my 240sx in 2000 and did the SR swap and the whole 9. I almost want to chase that experience, lightweight, rwd, manual, etc. I’m just hoping it doesn’t feel too slow, but I have hopes it won’t. I’m currently in a 335i w upgraded suspension, fbo, tuned, xhp stage 3. I love driving it so much, to the point where I come up with places to go and make excuses to drive it. It’s getting up there in miles though and it’s slowly transitioning to my fun weekend car. My other vehicle is older, always overheating, and I need a good commute car. Its 30 min fun twisty backroads and 30 min interstate. So I was gonna get like a civic or corolla, but was thinking the gr86 could fill that roll AND keep the fun in my commute.
Did you end up buying it in stuck between this and a 370z I love mountains live in ga have E36 m3 that I’m going to big turbo as my insane interstate demon but want a fun coupe to daily for the twisties
@@BlackMambaMMADid you buy it? I got a 2024 and it's great
Once you realize that it's more fun to have a car like this that is focused on being lightweight balanced handling, you realise that it inspires you to drive a certain way and you're enjoying the whole way. The other heavier cars with more power doesnt even inspire you to drive them fast. Theyre too heavy and bulky its like your overweight and trying to move around quickly. This is perfect to tune for a track weapon balanced and the most fun while being practical living with.
One reason that nobody mentions is that… women hate this car. They think it is cool the first date, but after that it’s just complaints. Hard to to get into, too rough, I’m cold.
And if you are deeper into the relationship, they hate it because it is a symbol of your independence.
Only one solution. Get a new girlfriend
Is it cold though? I thought it comes with heated seats too.
Sounds like just an American thing to me. Where I live heaps of women own and daily drive 86s/BRZs they love them.
lol girl's i've dated haven't made it a big deal
Girls like BMW It gives them tinges down under ;)
1:39 🎉👏👏👏 This is a solid point. Thanks
Genuine and honest opinions.
bro I'm a med student who just got a z and just stumbled on this, glad to see you making videos with another community 😎
So great to see a fellow doc who's also a gear head and with awesome productions. Keep it up man!
The track time reason is incorrect in truth. This car does need better tires for good lap times, but this car was made to be fast around a track and it is. Looking at multiple outlets the premium trim 86 is faster than many cars above its price.
Valid counter point
I've actually cancelled my order for the GR86 and decided to go with the Integra Type S instead for these very reasons.
how you liking it? i'm thinking about doing the same thing
A lot of people always ask why didnt you get [insert car here]
I just want a cool, fun car.
All of these reasons are why I ordered a GR86 to go along with my C8. Best of both worlds.
Great 2 car solution
@@jubbalandcars yes sir, I miss my S2k a lot so this is the next best thing. Still debating if I should snag the base coming to my dealer next month or hold off for a premium allotment.
Reason #7. You like to spend money on more expensive cars as a way to "flex your wealth" and "outclass the peasants."
I'd love a GR86 but soooo expensive ! Hopefully they come down in a couple years time. Love the look and the entire history of it.
Try a Porsche, maybe.
@@boxoffisayeah cause Porsches are super affordable
Expensive? It's the cheapest new sports car you can buy.
@@Anywaays Used, they can be in the same ballpark as the new GR86.
I’m sure the average person don’t have $30k cash sitting around so depending on your down payment, credit, interest rate and other monthly expenses, I doubt no one want to deal with $670+ payments plus insurance. It’s better to get the previous gen as far as affordability goes.
My son bought a 2022 6 speed manual premium a week ago and as someone that’s owned camaro’s and driven alot of rear drive sports cars I gotta say I was shocked at how good it is when I gave it the beans.
The 24 model had a decent jump in HP, it's around 225 HP now
@ Uh no, power hasn’t changed, but still a good car.
If you want to buy a reliable sports car in a price range I don't think you can beat this. If you don't want to go big bucks then you have plenty of choices.
6:36 honestly surprised with this bit about the steering, when I heard the GR Corolla was going to have electric steering I was expecting it to be worse than the GR 86. I've only driven the GR Corolla, so I thought the GR 86 would have just as heavy steering with more feedback.
The car I drove before was an aw11 mr2, and it had completely unassisted steering, and honestly going from it to the GRC was surprisingly not a big jump, the GRC has relatively heavy steering, but not enough to strain my arms as sometimes has happened with low speeds on my AW11.
Steering weight is one aspect but I’d argue feedback, accuracy, and ratio are just as important if not more
@@jubbalandcars Very true, I had my aw11's bushings completely redone with Urethane and I remember how incredibly sensitive the wheel was, it was almost too sensitive for the highway tbh.
For the GR I'd say is nearly just as accurate only on Sport mode steering.
Your legit way under subscribed
Keep throwing content at us your legit
I stumbled upon your page but I'm really enjoying the content. It's logical, descriptive and just overall good content. I don't know if you focus on more than just this car but I'm going to check you out. Keep it up man.
Thanks so much Jason!
iv had a 2022 gr86 for a year and i love it 😂
@@Julianklaus he didnt say he got rid of it?
Great video man!
I have a big dog and I just brought my GR86 home today, my pup loves hanging out the window for car rides but I would have to be beyond foolish to put a big dog with big claws anywhere near this car. I’m genuinely considering keeping my Honda that costs me around $800-1000 a year to insure and register just so I have something for the pup and storage. The car has also accumulated a lot of memories over the past decade, it’s hard to see it go
been thinking about getting an 86/FRS for a bit now. have been dailying an old honda and all the things you listed are still somehow upgrades from my current car
The same. 03 honda
Looks like a great daily driver car. It's cool looking, has decent power and handling and is simple. What's not to like?
my cousin bought the 23 model and had the boys install a turbo kit. she sits at about 230kw and god damn that thing is a track weapon now. a turbo version does all the things and is super happy doing it. ok, it cost a tad to install the turbo and he probably needs to take it back to the shop for a heavier clutch but he couldn't be happier.
This video is 6 reason to buy one lolol.
As a new GR86 owner (1 month in) coming from a really clean 2000 BMW e36 (yup no tech) & my wifes auto Kia Cerato, my opinion is that the car is perfect for a sportier daily.
I also got the 2025 model in manual which has adaptive cruise, game changer for me but I'm pushing 50 yrs old for reference lol. Had lots of sports bikes etc over the years so not chasing speed, that gets you in trouble real quick.
Upsides (as a daily):
- Plenty of space for a couple and 2 small dogs
- Nice blend of old and new tech, love the big dials
- Handles like a beast and not stupid power ...GR Yaris was too much for me for fun on the street
- Looks like an Aston in silver
- Insurance is under $1K in Australia, my wife's Kia cost more! (NA and 4 seats ftw!)
- Love the eyesight, perfect blend of safety tech for daily and you can turn it off.
- Little loud on HWY but not stupid. Am going to insulate torsion bars as per reddit thread
- Nice balance of "raw feel" from the engine - you know it's there, but it's not in your face all the time (I'm yet to disconnect the audio, but am in break in so under 5k RPM still)
Downsides:
- Fuel economy, I'm getting 10L / 100km in Australia which is liveable, but that is absolutely babying it during break in period.
- Oil starvation, I'd love to track it (mate has a lotus 410) but that scares the heck out of me, so will prob never see a track
- Clutch needs adjusting, should be easy fix
If it just had an "economy mode" it'd be perfect with today's premium fuel prices ...but, considering the insurance and service costs of like $300 a year it's amazing.
Just don't watch the fuel bars lol.
imma give u 1 reason why u should, cool car and thats all that matters!
"They'll get you in the straightways, but you'll get them in the corners."
dont buy a brz/gr86 if you dont like having to always top up on oil, boxer are design consume oil.
Hmm I never had that as a problem with my old frs
Never had oil burning issues with my 1st gen 36k miles in. It's hugely a FI issue imo.
BMW owners can relate 😂
Anytime I hear someone say straight line speed is boring I think “my people”. Yawn fest for me as well. A high HP car isn’t taking twisties any faster than a GR86 will. I definitely prefer driving dynamics over 0-60 times any day
Bro you definitely didn't get why this car was built.
Whoosh
My GR86 is finally arriving next week. Ordered it in March '22, but it's worth the wait.
I already talked to a lot of people who just don't get the point of the car, especially here in Germany where top speed matters to quite a lot of people.
My Daily is a '09 Mercedes E 320 CDI estate, which is the perfect contrast. Fast on the Autobahn, great on fuel, comfortable and very practical. That's great for everyday driving, but fun? No. And that's where the GR86 is pretty much unbeatable for the price.
The last point, You Need Luxury, really hit me hard and that is coming from an owner of Mazda 3 2022.
It may not be German, but this interior spoiled me so much that is the only reason why it is holding me back, along with the road/wind noise (which I can understand).
I still have 4 years to think whether to grab a Mazda Miata or Toyota GR86.
Great video!
I drove an MR2 Spyder as my home health car 100-150 miles/day for 10 years. If ya gotta drive you might as well have fun. I miss it, I need to take a closer look at the 86.
I had a 2018 WRX automatic, 2019 WRX manual, 2021 STI....now trading the STI for a 2024 BRZ tS....living in the city, the BRZ is the way to go. The novelty of high performance cars wears off after a few years, the BRZ is sexy, handles well, is NA, better fuel economy, is still faster/quicker than the majority of cars out on the road. It's performance is dialed in just right for every day city driving, power right where you need it. You're not going to be pulling 310HP in an STI driving on 50-60km roads, let alone jam packed 401/QEW highways. The BRZ is best suited for those types of roads.
what's your advice on being able to warm up the car on a track day? 1 lap ? 2 lap? Considering that some cars takes like 15 min to even get the oil temp up (when daily driving). The transmission , tires, Driver, also needs to warm up , etc. BTW, I know some nice roads to hit if you don't know about them. Its great places to practice low speed foot work. I call it the Touge of Summerlin.
At least 1-2 warmup laps when you go out is key. On all components. Including brakes which will otherwise warp. Ask me how I know.
Let’s hear about the togue of Summerlin
@@jubbalandcars there are roads that connect from downtown summerlin to bishop Gorman that has elevation changes, roundabouts, and straights. Very fun.
From asking the GR86 reddit community, they said that the car have great grip and you can speed in corner with the car being good at gripping, and in the video you do say that the car isn't that grippy and it's play full, idk who to believe lol.
PLEASE get Toyota/Subaru to release a Corrective Action on the RTV silicone clogging up the oil pickup tube strainer. There is way too much RTV silicone being applied from the factory and pieces are breaking off and clogging up the oil pickup tube strainer enough to damage engines. PLEASE get Toyota/Subaru corporate to fix this issue and use simple gaskets!!
Are the new GR86 like this
One of the reasons I passed on these. A Toyota should have a Toyota motor to begin with and not a Subaru.
@@user-cg7cc7zj3e Very dumb reason to pass on it with such an easy fix. The engine has nothing to do with how much RTV is applied lmao.
@@hhaste It's a Subaru motor and by design is flawed. Nothing lost. Subaru quality has been drastically falling for years now. Not to mention don't turn too hard to the right...the oil pressure drops in this motor! lol
@@user-cg7cc7zj3elol you realize the history of this engine? Originally Toyota but the designer went to Subaru and was apparently such a nice guy he managed to build a bridge with this design many decades ago. At one point it was the ceclica that was carrying on this design, scion later did as well, this is just the most recent interation of that mans design.
My 3 weeks of ownership review, I did not buy the car as a daily driver. I would not drive one everyday. It is not a comfortable suspension and you feel every bump on the road. Its a fun car to have in the garage that does not burn the bank, like the supra. I am not too concerned about the RTV issue. I won't be driving it a lot and certainly not on the track. Everyone's engine would have burnt out before i have serious miles on it. I get the thumbs up from other drivers and I notice other cars trying to get closer, to see what this car is. You cannot treat it as a regular car.
I disagree. It’s great as a daily driver. I bought an old land Rover as my second car for the weekends. I’m doing the opposite of you and I gotta say, it’s working out great.
This car is affordable to daily and feels comfortable.
Well.. it's a sports car for track and or for everyday commute. People like me are interested in this cheap sport car because it still gives you the experience to drive a sports car it's a power-friendly, budget-friendly balanced car.
I have the first gen with 4X 255 width 200TW tires, high capacity suspension, clutch pack LSD, many chassis geometry tweaks (including anti geometries), locked steering rack, small weight reductions and more. It is very fast at my local track, much faster than OEM Veloster N, 370Z, GR86, Tesla model S, WRX, etc, it pulls very high g-forces, 1.6g+ with spikes above 2gs, the center of gravity is very low. The biggest weakness was the OEM Torsen differential, it is unbelievably bad at the limit. Only now I feel like adding power, before that it would have make the weaknesses even worst. Great car if you plan on using aftermarket components, it feels so good now.
Did you rebuild the factory diff with the clutch type LSD or do an entirely different rear? I had a torsen in my camaro factory and the clutch type I replaced it with was way better.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 Factory diff casing with a drop in clutch pack LSD unit. Yea, It's a must have on any sports car that is going to be thrown around.
@@Iseenoobpeoples seems like a fun car. Kinda want one now
Yeah, it did take a lot of work/tuning to make it behave with OEM power, big tires/alignment, thick oil, LSD will take away power, it is left behind on hills and straits, the car is very impressive on corner/brake/anything in it's way now lol, I bought a blown engine for 350$ to rebuild with lower compression, I went with a used FBM turbo kit, not yet installed, it will match a 911 one day :D
You convinced me. I’m leasing one.
The rtv issue still haunts me tho:/ have had mine for a year now and no problem at all some glitches on turning signals but all and all it’s super fun but that rtv issue is always in the back of my head which is why I don’t like pushing the car too hard
Don’t worry about it, just check ur oil dipstick every month
@@adanshehzad2933 What does checking the oil have to with the pickup collecting rtv chunks ??
I don’t think pushing your car/not pushing it would make a difference w the rtv issue
@@walkemdown4127 it does sadly some guy tracked it for 2 days and had massive rtv in his oil pan and he only had 10k on his car
Isn't it super simple to fix? Drop the pan, clean the crap out of the pickup tube, put pan back on with new sealer. What part am I missing?
I live in Hawaii were it doesn't matter how fast your car is or even fuel economy because you'll be driving 5-10 mph in bumper to bumper traffic on the freeway all day every day until you're ready to jump headfirst off a tall cliff.
I did get to go the speed limit once...about 4 years ago during covid lockdown and all the tourists left.......it was so nice. 😊
All that being said, I'm buying one tomorrow, fk it.
It's one of the most fun cars to take to the track or a mountain road. I don't need the power
It still has adequate power too! Unlike the first gen
I had a 2013 frs and was daily driving it as well as canyon runs and road-trips, the car never had any maintenance issues whatsoever. However, just 10k miles after the recall for the valve springs my engine starved of oil and I spun a bearing and blew a hole in the short block. 126k miles on the car was very impressive nonetheless. Car is now gone but I’m looking at a 2015 rs1, the new gens are hideous to me and the frs was and is the best looking version of all 3 imo
Had a v8 suv beat me in a straight line the other day, but it certainly wouldn’t come out ahead on top speed, track or cornering.
I enjoy when a V8 truck tailgates me into a corner…
take one of them off ramps that are very round and posted at 25-35 mph at around double that, watch what happens to the suv lololol
and if you think im trying to kill you, my ford edge (a 4k pound suv) takes those at 2x the posted limit, so i think a brz would be fine at that or even higher
XD once i 2 foot breaked in a roundabout when a M beamer SUV was trying to gate me....fool almost jumped the turn LMFAO i was just in my regular elantra daily delivery driver that gets 200MI+ a day under my belt on a good day LMFAO that knows how to actually MOVE a car. I do the same thing every time i get on my local area of work...a few onramps...i pass 4d beamer sedans in the outside 270deg ramp. Tire peformance and psi etc...really matters not that it equates to tire life esp on FF LOL. ADD rain to the equation EVEN More LUL.
Most of your claims of why it's bad is due to reasons of personal preferences.
This car is not made for highway racing, luxury, or you need extra space for groceries or friends..... so yeah..... that's more on the lack of knowledge for the buyer if they didn't already know what this car is made for.
Great video thanks for sharing.
I wish toyota made it into a liftback like Celica or Nissan S13(240sx) were. There isnt a single liftback 2+2 coupe on the market and it would make it infinetly more practical.
Subaru wanted to make shooting brake BRZ at one point they made a concept in 2013 for it called Cross Sports. We were so close to having a very practical sportscar for little money, buy either they couldnt because toyota didnt allow them or they did not feel like investing into making it into production.
It would have rear headroom for adults and giant hatchback like trunk(but still much flatter than say BMW 1 series 3 door)
I had three big dogs until they passed but I took the passenger seat out and they all three sat in a row where the second seat went 😅. Also a twin hitch and 15 foot cannoe with trolling motor towed behind ❤
well, a great dane fits in the back seat of a wrx and he was perfectly fine despite touching both doors. he adjusted as necessary and enjoyed the drive...
I bet that car stunk like shit
@Taylor-dt2wd maybe if I were a dirty mother fucker the pits get baths every 2 weeks and the husky goes to petsmart to get groomed. Not every one's a dirty mf
I'd welcome comments or insights to my test drive experience with the GR86.
I've owned 7 cars, all of them manual transmissions. Other than the 3 SUVs I've had the rest were FWD. I've had a 2011 Mini Cooper S (MCS) for the past 12 years and have loved the go kart handling, brisk acceleration and fun factor. I've been thinking that in the next year of two I'll be ready for a new car and a change. I was lusting after the Veloster N (I love hot hatches) but it was unfortunately discontinued. It seems that the auto industry is going in the direction of distancing the driving experience rather than catering to those who enjoy driving so the options of a driver's car are shrinking. The GR86/ BRZ caught my eye, especially after reviews that this latest generation had addressed its weaknesses. I had a test drive the other day, I wanted to love this car but I was disappointed. I use my back seat about one week a year but when you need it you need it. I've found the MCS's back seat adequate, maybe not for a cross country trip with 4 adults but for a day trip it's okay. The back seat of the GR86 was not as useable as the Mini's. I adjusted the driver's seat for my driving position (I'm 5'8") got out and tried to get into the seat behind it. I got my body into place but wasn't able to stuff my size 11 shoes into the space behind the driver's seat. I moved the driver's seat up a couple of inches and was able to get fully into the back seat. I then had the 5'10" salesman sit in the seat behind me both to see if a taller person could fit and also to see how far up I'd have to move the driver's seat. Once he got in I moved the seat back and could've driven in this less than ideal position but he had to duck his head slightly as it was brushing the rear window. Starting to be a deal breaker. A big plus of the GR86 of the MCS was the cargo space. It was easily double that of the Mini. I recently took a 4000 mile road trip and I had to keep the rear seat of the Mini folded down to accomodate our 2 overhead size suitcases. The GR86 would've stored them pretty easily. I liked the interior of the 86 as well as the feel of its shifter.
Visibility however was noticeably better in the Mini. Once we were out on the road I intentionally took a 90 degree right turn a little fast, but probably not more than 20mph. The 86 fishtailed alot and then swerved after the correction. The Mini would not have budged off of its intended track. As Jubbal mentioned at about 3:20 some people like the sliding. I don't and to me it's not a positive thing. I drive in a spirited way but I don't go to track days where slides can be done in a controlled and safe manner. This too was a deal breaker and unless they reintroduce the Veloster N or some other new car that I find exciting the Mini has recaptured its position as my next car. I know that alot of people have a strong preference for RWD cars. Other than driving my parents' car when I was a new driver years ago or driving a rental I don't drive RWD cars. I'd appreciate meaningful comments about my experience if you have them or insights into pros and cons of FWD vs. RWD. Thanks and stay safe out there.
it sounds like this car isnt for you unless you could afford keeping it as a 2nd car which many cant, i think the mx5 miata would solve all your fishtail issues though but its a way less practical car and also should be kept as a 2nd car toy
@@jakotic Thanks for the input. I've since decided that when my R56 MCS gives up the ghost I'll go for a new MCS.
@@shevetlevi2821 I have a test drive this week. I live in wisconsin and its cold, so it will be interesting taking a premium model with summer focused tires around. Depending on how the drive goes, it will tell me a yes or no for a new daily. Currently I have a 2022 corolla se sedan with a cvt.
@@goblinfire475 Enjoy the drive and hopefully it will be decisive for you. Having driven FWD cars my entire life the quirks that annoy some drivers I guess I'm just used to. In any case I'm sure the fun factor will double compared to the Corolla. Good luck.
I've fitted my 2 Dachshund's, girlfriend and a pair of golf clubs in this car, it's more than practical.
When people mention that cars are great and fun at cornering but not straight line speed, I have to wonder where the hell in the US they drive where 99% of roads aren't straight lines.
Obviously.. it's all about handling. Before touching the engine when modding. Deal with the suspension first. Handling helps gives faster lap time.
Bought my FRS in 2013. Autocrossed it since 2014. Won a regional championship with it, daily drive it in yhe winter and brought my kids to daycar and school in it for 7 years. All I had in it was an air filter, cat back and crash bolts. Had to change the sway bar bushings... yeah it was a damn f'n great car.
Did the mods devalue the car? I want to get an 86 and would like to mod it, but I’m not sure how I will work that out with the valuation
@@lucascasey8869 it holds the value. It's all simple and cheap mods that keeps it looking stock while helping a bit with performance.
@@Kevin.Savoie thank you very much
How do you take kids to daycare in this? Where do you put carseat?
@@immunity4soulthe 2 back seats. A rear facing seat will only fit the passenger side with the front seat pushed forward. But forward facings are fine until they hit a certain height. Lets just say we didn't take family trips in it.
Great video!
I own a pretty beat up 2014 frs and sat in a GR86 at the NY auto show and it sold me on the idea of getting one of these to daily drive so I can use the frs as a project car to lift and take on dirt roads
Telling people they're not watching their oil temps is absurd. It means the car has insufficient cooling capacity. You don't make a car that people will drive on track that can't cool itself properly. It's not even fast, so it shouldn't have cooling issues.
ONE thing I hate about this car (and not literally the car itself) is that these v8-engine motor- heads -that -recently -bought -a stock -v8 -and -recently -got into -the -car scene always think this car “looks fast” and always want a race.
If anyone who is truly into the car scene from JDM to Euro to American muscle would already KNOW that this car is s l o w and would appreciate its handling capabilities and I guess you can say drifting.
Recently met a dude at a quick trip with a Hellcat that was shocked he was able to see a GR86 when he saw me pull up. People like him really are the reason why the car community is great.
Straight line performance isn’t always everything in a car.
Nice insight!!
Honestly the reliability of the boxers i feel like is mainly dependent on people driving them
This why I got the sti, still a driver’s car and handles great, but can make good power too compared to the brz/86s
I know everyone has an opinion but I just bought a Gr86 and it's quite impressive he is talking bout lap times and a small back seat we all know it's not a family car, sounds like he is knit picking just my opinion
They need to fix the design/build flaw with the engine on the GR85/BRZ.
Yes
My favorite car I’ve personally ever owned was a 2010 Lexus IS250 Convertible. 206 horsepower dragging a 3800 (3950 with me in it) pound dead horse down the road. I liked it though! The word I always thought of to describe the driving was "planted". This was a car that could take a turn on a highway at 110 without sliding… it was insane! It took a few business days to get to 110, but with the top down who cares! Going to this from an 07 Acura MDX, the near completely eliminated risk of a roll over was also quite nice 😂
I haven't lived there in 13 years, but I think I recognize a whole bunch of spots in this video. Is this in Northwest Las Vegas? If I'm wrong, apologies. But thanks for giving me some nostalgia for a few minutes there! Thanks for a great video. I appreciate the information in this video, my dude! I've never owned a rear wheel drive car and I was looking at the GR86 Premium and the NIssan Z (I guess I should probably put the Supra up against the Z. Price isn't an issue) I guess I won't truly know until I go drive the damn things. Great video essay about the ToyNOta lol Subbed - leifo
something reliable and fun to drive in regular traffic. all I really want.
He is actually trying to tell you that if you are a legit car fan, you shouldget one
My guy
Really liked the video and agree for the most part. I will say that I've seen a lot of posts calling this car everything from "slow" to "very slow", and that's just not true.
The car is NOT fast. That's true. Buuuut it's not any variation of slow either lol. It's quick. Still has an athletic like acceleration (even the auto, I know sinful).
My point is, I think most people think this car has the acceleration of a commuter car in a sports car like shell. That's not true. It's still faster than most cars on the road lol
I really love the look of the 2nd gen GR86 but im struggling with two of the points you brought up.. 1 the performance.. I know its like a Miata where HP isnt everything but coming from a GTI & 328I both tuned I feel like I will miss the power... And Point 6 the interior... I know its probaly not bad but once you dabble in VW/BMW interiors even Mazda like you said its hard to go back to a budget basic interior.. Sometimes Its like I wish I never knew what a higher end interior was like because I never use to care. Still the 86 seems like a pure drivers car and I can get behind that.
Would recommended 0w-20 be ok for daily use? Or are tuners recommending a heavier oil even for cars that never go on track?
if you buy a GR86, you get a GR86.
if you want more space, buy an SUV. if you want more power/speed, buy a gt3, huracan, etc. if you want something more luxurious, buy a bentley, RR, etc.
if you buy a compact entry-level sports coupe, you don't also get to complain about compact entry-level sports coupe performance or downsides.
it's pay-to-play baby. porsches and lambos cost more for a reason, so either pay-up or shut-up lol
no car is everything for everyone. you're going to have to compromise a little somewhere. figure out what you want/need and buy car(s) that meet as many of your desires/requirements as possible.
Hi, I’m from Taiwan. Really love ur videos n ur comments. I am going to get a GR86 too, on the waiting list hope to get it this spring. I am wondering what have you upgraded ur GR86?
I have just added camber bolts and new wheels and tires (video coming out soon). Prior I only had oil cooler, brake pad, fluids, ducktail spoiler
Jubbal & Cars- I have a first grn BRZ and a brother of mine has a 2015 FRS, great cars. You didn't have any issues with the valve springs on your 2013 FRS?
No got the recall done and tracked it many times over the course or 35k+ miles after the recall. No issues
None of these reasons are dealbreakers for me.
The problem is subaru engines suck. Subaru admitted their problems in '02 and then proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it. If this car had the B48 engine, it would have been an absolute monster and given the 86 unreal tuning potential.
the new 2022 brz is much better, and a simple small procharger will make these things absolute street monsters. You keep that driver experience but gain all the power BRZ owners and onlookers have been complaining about for years. the mx5 suffers similar issues, super light and a true drivers care with wonderful feedback, zippy but not really fast. a little boost goes a long way. I have had the pleasure of being in a couple procharged older brzs now, not one of the new years yet...they really are everything you want in a car...except it snows here. A stock brz can be managed in the snow with winter tires, but a procharged one is a real challenge. For that reason, people like me end up getting a larger heavier awd wrx with a lot more power that cant out drag a stock brz just to be able to play year round. Seriously, if I could figure out how to 70/30 r/f awd a brz somehow, I really feel it wouldlt rob people of the driver experience, although it would alter it a lot. more money than its worth tho right. If anyone out there loves the BRZ but dogs the power this is what I can say...they FEEL fast behind the wheel, even bone stock. They feel really fast with a little boost and frankly, they get sketchy fast with moderate boost. Trust me, you can have your cake and eat it too with a conservative boost...and you will absolutely roast every single one of your sti/wrx owning friends...much to our upset.