@rimlandrealist7679 What you told her is mostly correct except the Typhoon ( In this Film) is over 250 feet Longer than the Dallas and beam ( width) that is at least 32ft more than the Dallas and a Draught ( Vertical Height not including conning tower) of some 60ft ( Remember it is a Ballistic missile submarine!) so not totally similar size! 😉
Sub vet here. The sub leaping out of the water like that is real. The evolution is known as an e-blow, short for emergency blow. What happens is that the ballast tanks on the outside of the pressure hull are normally mostly full of water when the sub is underwater. In an e-blow, the water in those tanks is forced out all at once by compressed air, causing the sub to instantly become much more buoyant and rocket to the surface like a cork in an aquarium.
Funfact about Sean Connery: That guy had a library card to almost all bigger public librarys in Scotland and GB because he was reading all the time. He didnt have access to a lot of knowledge as a child and he tried his whole life to make up for it by reading and reading and reading. So that guy was REALLY smart on top of everything else.
the cook was a KGB / GRU agent, which is why he wasnt on the manifest and had a gun onboard. If you recall, just before killing the political officer, they were talking about how if the KGB or GRU had agents onboard, the political officer wouldnt know about it. The cook was the person who randomly happened to be there to witness the Captain take the key off the political officer, which is what set him off to sabotage the engine and try to end the mission.
He also knew what the real orders were supposed to be, which is why they insert a shot of him looking surprised and confused when Ramius reads the fake orders to the crew over the PA.
The political officer would more likely than not know that the agent was on board but he would have no reason to admit this to the Captain and may not have known who it was aside from being a person of low rank, doing a relatively insignificant job that also give him access to command spaces and officer country to overhear officers conversation, so a cook/server is about the perfect cover. Soviet Russia had an interesting chain of command where a ship or sub had two leaders of nearly equal power. The Captain commands the crew and handles military decisions at the tactical level, but any major actions need the OK of the political officer. While the political office would seem to be more powerful than the Captain this is not true, but a captain would be wise to follow the "suggestions" of the political officer lest his political reliability be called into question when they get back to port and file their after action reports. KGB/GRU would then review and reconcile the reports of the Captain, Political Officer, and the intelligence agent mole for discrepancies in their infamous "circle of accountability". In a manner of speaking the zampoilit watches the captain and the KGB watches both.
I've watched a dozen people react to this. You're the first one who really GOT this film. Enjoying your reactions more and more. You have a complex and powerful mind.
She does. And currently how much submarine can cost (as she was asking about it at some point, during the comments)? I would say = anything from 20-30 billion US/British Pounds. Note1: I've been contracting for a while, long time in fact at various companies around UK/US and more, and know some people who currently work for something like .... BAE Systems. So some ot the costs are well known, especially regading submarines ( in something related to shipyards in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, UK - but at this point, it is a public knowledge anyway; and US cost is usually similar = depending on the type of the given sub). And also a lot of other weapons too (anything you can imagine that BAE Systems/ or other companies in that field are is doing). Note2: that IS also including the usual shit-show cost, connected with various delays, contractors, or even internal/external politics (and also internal approach of "who knows who", and which external company/contractor will get the main/sub contracts). But you can bet, that politics (at the top level) is always there too. And there is no question about it at all. And a lot is actually driven by it (not just in military appraoch, but even all around public sector, all over the place).
That language transition is still one of the coolest cinematic moves ever made , they were like " ok you saw them speaking Russian, now keep that in the back of your mind cause there's no way we're making sir sean connery do a cartoonish goofy Russian accent for the rest of the move" which gave all the actors the freedom they needed to Act their asses off in this movie .
I haven't seen that technique in any other movie but it was well executed. I think it should be used more often. In the 13th warrior Antonio Banderas character said he learned the language by listening to the others speak. Another solid execution of the language switch.
@@7thsealord888 I remember watching Judgement At Nuremberg just a few weeks after Red October came out and was like "Ahhh, THAT'S where they got that."
"Red Route One" was a real thing and it was what inspired Tom Clancy's novel. 1960-61 was the International Geophysical Year, with all countries setting aside their differences and doing peaceful, scientific research around the globe. (The IGY inspired the older film "Ice Station Zebra.") The Soviets took the opportunity to doing sonar surveys of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the thousands of miles of underwater mountains, ridges, canyons, and plateaus. Once they thoroughly mapped the M-AR, Soviet submarines confounded the US and Royal Navies by popping down into the canyons, where NATO sonar couldn't pinpoint them, and then running like a bat out of hell. It was like a rabbit disappearing down one hole and then reappearing anywhere it wanted to hundreds or thousands of miles away. This was "Red Route One." The Navy and NATO didn't talk about it, but Clancy heard a whisper about it from someone and turned it into a novel. This was the novel that turned Tom Clancy into an industry and started the entire "Jack Ryan" series of movies and spinoffs.
Another great submarine movie with Denzel Washington, and Gene Hackman is, "Crimson Tide" Also, Jack Ryan becomes Harrison Ford after this movie in "Patriot Games" which has Darth Vader as well as Sean Bean in it. Which is a great movie too.
I served on the USS Kamahameha, a ballistic missile submarine. Watching Crimson Tide brought back many memories of my time on the sub. Very good movie with some accurate depictions of some of the activities on board. "Man battle stations missile for WSRT. This is the captain. This is an excercise." Memories.
The Whale was the USS Dallas. They got in the torpedoes path, to draw the torpedo away from the Red October. Then blew all the tanks (Forcing water out of the tanks) so it would surface very quickly.
2:51 This was the first time I saw Gates McFadden in a role other than Dr. Crusher on _Star Trek: The Next Generation._ It took me a moment to recognize her. She's a versatile actress.
yes the entire cast seems to have gone on to amazing careers. Except for Alec Baldwin lol. (until he was 'rediscovered' by the guys that made 30 Rock). Hell they did not even bring him back for the remaining Jack Ryan movies. Personally I thought he did fine in this movie! He must have pissed someone off big time or gotten in to drugs or something.
Your questions: All of the officers except the doctor and zampolit (political officer/commissar) defected with Ramius. When officers rebel like this and take the ship it is called "barratry" rather then "mutiny". The cook was an undercover agent of GRU, the Soviet military intelligence/security/counter-espionage agency. The military version of the KGB. Firearms are normally locked up aboard Naval ships, So Capt. Mancuso (Scott Glenn) checked out several pistols from _Dallas'_ armory for the trip to _Red October_ The Soviet "cook" had a pistol in secret because he was an undercover GRU agent.
There is an EXCELLENT video essay on this movie (and the prior one was on Die Hard) and it talks about this moment as the KEY to the film... because the "Bad Guys" becomes suddenly relatable to. Then the scene in the Red October's command deck with the Americans, Ryan, Ramius, etc, the language reset/shifts are to remind you of their antagonistic natures being overcome. Note when the capt. of the Dallas side eyes Baldwin and says "Ryan?" ... The capt. does NOT understand Ramius, who we hear in English but is still speaking Russian, as is Ryan. th-cam.com/video/2A2qBcjb6Ic/w-d-xo.html
*GREAT* seeing Coby appreciate Scott Glenn's understated presence. He had a small part in the Apple TV show Bad Monkey recently, as Vince Vaughan's father - and the minute I saw him I just felt this relaxed enjoyment from his whole vibe.
@@jaykaufman9782 Ah I didn't know that. He's had an interesting career and from what I've read he stays out of Hollywood and lives on some land - at least he used to.
I remember Alec Baldwin on the Tonight show with Johnny Carson and he was talking about waiting to hear if Connery was onboard with the project. He said he was cheering when he heard Connery had accepted the part, and then it slowly began to dawn on him that nobody was going to notice him because Connery was gonna be there. Principle Ed Rooney. You won't like Scott Glenn in Urban Cowboy. They're not that fast. 22 knots is about 25mph. 1 knot is equal to 1.15mph. The Dallas wasnt under the Red October. It was a shot of the Red October circling, and you could see the Dallas in the distance. It just looked like they were beneath the Red October. It is bigger than the Dallas, but even the Dallas is pretty big. The helicopter rotors generate stupid amounts of powerful static elctricity. The Dallas flew out of the water.
@@tvdroid22 That obviously depends on the current wave heights. Your bass boat isn't gonna make good speed in choppy wave conditions. While in contrast that Submarine will just keep on going completely unaffected, still at 25 knots. So again, it's all relative. Your boat isn't moving nearly the same mass nor is it doing so submerged. Your boat is just skimming the water, with what a draft of maybe 11". It's really an apples to oranges comparison. The fastest Submarine ever built only hit 44.7 knots, but created so much cavitation it wasn't silent but really loud. While running quiet 25 knots to 30 knots is considered really fast for submarines. This is the other factor, he wasn't in an attack Submarine but a massive ballistic missile Submarine, which are slower and less maneuverable. The equivalent of being a semi truck on the highway vs a hot rod but still nearly matching their speeds while driving at night with no lights on the road or car and hoping the GPS was accurate when the upcoming turn was. Further the Typhoons max recorded speed in 27 knots while submerged, so Ramius had it nearly at full speed. It was relatively fast, and going blind and silent through canyons only charted for slower speeds. Crazier Submarines lose their exact positioning the longer they stay submerged, because they mark their location from satellite while surfaced then kinda have to guess where they are after that point, if he had been submerged for a week, he could have been an entire Submarine length off course and actually crashed into the canyon. What he was doing was really pushing the boundaries. He just had confidence in his and his officers training of his crew that they where close enough to where they thought they where and that the maps were accurate... but if they weren't he would have blindly crashed into the canyon then been hit by a torpedo.
OMG you have too much time on your hands. A torpedo is faster and just as free to navigate. 20 knots submerged is fast compared to a German u-boat submerged, running on battery power at 5 knots. Otherwise, it's pretty damned slow. Deal with it.
@@tvdroid22 Having time just means I can actually address the topic accurately, rather than thinking I sound smart and moving on while learning nothing. Look a torpedo isn't nearly the same size or mass though, it's moving a vastly different volume and mass. So again, you're comparing two totally different things. If you want to just list the fastest man made object, the NASA's Parker Space probe moving at 394,736 mph, and act like everything else is slow in comparison, yeah you think you just said something mindblowing or profound but in reality you're just under-appricating the sheer engineering of the other vehicle and it's unique challenges. Torpedoes are way smaller and sprint, running out of power in 10 minutes. When a nuclear powered submarine holds over 100 people, food for 6 months, dozens of torpedoes, and can run for decades without refueling. A Typhoon Submarine moving at 25 knots is really fast for a submerged Ballistic Missile Submarine, that's more than the stated top Speed of America's equivalent ballistic missile submarine USS Ohio class.
The ultimate submarine war movie is Das Boot, 1981, starring a bunch of Germans speaking German. It's a gritty, realistic view of a U boat on a mission in WWII. You see how crews lived in tight quarters during boring times, and how they suffered battle. I also recommend The Enemy Below, starring Robert Mitchum. 1958. A WWII chess game between a U boat and a US destroyer. Both captains are good.
Das Boot is so good. I don’t know how good it would make for a reaction with the tiny subtitles in the corner of the screen (lol). But every incarnation of it is awesome. I even have the 8 hour German TV version. So good
25:15 one of my favorite moments from this film: in the scene before, we saw the Captain being super critical and skeptical of Ryan, not giving him an inch. Then he hears about Ryan’s chopper accident and what he accomplished despite it and, in their very next scene together, it’s a much cooler, more fluid, and more professional dynamic. Instead of being standoffish, he even gives Ryan a few pointers about ditching in the ocean. It’s a terrific character moment.
Great comment, just FYI that's not the XO, that's the captain of the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier. Fred Thompson is the admiral in charge of the entire battle group. They both reside on the carrier and have their own separate areas of command.
One of my favorite lines from the book version is when Admiral Greer meets Jack after the Red October docks. Jack reaches into his pocket, and puts the Red October's missile keys into Greer's hand. "You can end the world with those." Scott Glenn tells in an interview how the studio actually arranged for him to spend some time on an actual Los Angeles Class attack sub. The captain of the boat ordered his crew to take Glenn's orders. When the captain gave an order, Glenn would repeat it, so he got experience actually giving orders as a submarine captain. Glenn said that whenever Mancuso gives orders in the movie, he's imitating that submarine captain.
Loving that you know these amazing generational actors, playing small parts....without using IMDB. Remember when great cinema was a cultural event for the entire nation??
Coby, I am SO IMPRESSED with you. You called the events almost every one of them before they happened. This is the top 10 movies of my favorites of all time. I watch it. Every chance I get I was totally amazed by your predictions being spot on. great job.
I have this movie in my collection. I was in the US Navy submarine service when it was released. My crew went to the theater in dress whites not a single man disliked the movie. There was a few technical errors the author took license with. But nobody cared. We cheered at the end.
Author Tom Clancy based his novel on a real incident - the attempted defection of a Soviet frigate, the Storozhevoy. Clancy said in a 1991 interview that he made the change from frigate to submarine because it throws a lot more chips into the pot. After the release of the hardcover, a copy was given to Ronald Reagan as a Christmas present. He later told a reporter that it was the perfect yarn.
After the success of the book (and the other Jack Ryan escapades) and this movie, Tom Clancy was asked if he thought Russia was still a superpower after the fall of the Soviet Union. Clancy replied they never really were a superpower, just a bully with nukes. When asked why, he said he had traveled extensively through Russia during and after the cold war and came to the conclusion that any country with a crappy road and transportation system within 200 miles of their capital (Moscow) is not a real superpower.
I wondered about a detail in the movie: When the Soviet Ambassador to the United States (Andrei Lysenko) was in the National Security Advisor's office, Pelt offered the Soviet Ambassador jelly beans. Because Reagan enjoyed Jelly Beans, I wondered if that detail was meant to be a Cold War poke at the Soviets or a nod to Reagan.
@@doubleubee7523 Too bad the current administration doesn't have a Jeffrey Pelt serving in a cabinet position. The country and the world would be better off. Instead we have fools like Admiral Kirby.
The details he put in the book do not reflect the reality of Soviet submarines. For starters, almost every Russian submarine had _two_ reactors instead of one like the Americans do.
I saw an interview he did and he said he got all of the information from open sources. Mostly from the local public library. The Navy was surprised he found that much detail without breaking into a safe somewhere.
The two Jack Ryan films starring Harrison Ford are both also quite fantastic. _Patriot Games_ is my personal favorite, but _Clear and Present Danger_ is also a solid film. I recommend both of them.
As the films progressed, they became less and less like the books. HfRO and PG give pretty good condensed versions of the books they were based on. CaPD and SoaF have some resemblance to the books they were based on. Everything else is about some other guy who is named “Jack Ryan.”
6:40 That zoom in was a callback to the 1961 movie "Judgment at Nuremberg)", where they did the same thing in the courtroom switching Maximilian Schell from german to english.
I’m impressed how Coby picked up the plan by Ramius. In the book Ramius blames the death of his wife on the Soviet bureaucracy. I think she had an appendicitis and the surgeon was drunk and screwed it up but he was protected by a powerful father.
Surgeon was called in while drunk and took too much time huffing pure oxygen to sober up. By that time her appendix had burst. Follow that up with shoddy antibiotics from the state-run companies that were more concerned with meeting quotas than making proper drugs. He was one of the privileged and the system failed him, leaving no one to blame but the system itself. So he decided to punish it he only way he could and make it matter.
Absolutely no apologies needed from you, not remembering this or that or names. This is a massively beautiful chess game of a film and no way would one ask someone to remember everything as they're going along, lol. Having said that, this version with you has definitely become one of if not the favourite version for me; loved your giddyness throughout it. - I thought it was pretty fresh if not 'innovative' for them to change languages, but using a common word in the sentence be a 'hinge' between the two. ie speaking russian, russian russian. "armageddon", speaking english, english, english. - the director, McTiernan, is a master at juggling so much that was happening and he really makes it look effortless. I know if you had a 2nd or 3rd viewing you would see the craftwork of it all. You may get to his Predator for the channel, but if you want one of his slightly rom-com-ish type of cat-and-mouse flicks, PLEASE try his Thomas Crown Affair (1999), even if on yer own time for something to just sit back to and have a big ole goofy smile on yer face the entire time 😂
A fun fact from a replier above, that you may enjoy, want to research, etc. I remember loving the switch, the first time I watched Red October. Never knew of its possible origins... @Mokkari77 9 hours ago The director took the idea from the movie JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBURG(1961).
A Los Angeles class is a lot smaller than a Typhoon but the reason Dallas looked tiny underneath was because it was a few hundred yards in the background. And USS Dallas was what went flying up out of the water. They attracted the torpedo, then launched noise making countermeasures, then went up out of the way as fast as they could.
yes a real Russian Typhoon class submarine is much larger than anything the United States has ever built. And US fast attack submarines used to regularly drive right behind and in between the screws of the Russians back in the 1980s to get audio recordings of the sounds the ship would make. (hence the Crazy Ivan). All part of Clancy's amazing attention to detail!
Coby, everyone who was having supper with the captain (Ramius) is in on the plan. Remember how they sent Tim Curry’s character off with some made-up excuse? The doctor is NOT part of the defection.
According to IMDB, the movie had a budget of $100 Million. But it's worldwide box office was $65.7 million. I had no idea it had done so poorly... I remember appreciating it a lot.
The Hunt for Red October is the first book written, but retroactively Clancy added 3 other books before it. So Jack is the least fleshed out with character lore in this story. From a film/tv perspective there is no concrete way to make Jack Ryan's adventures fully consistent. They take liberty with his age and the setting to be more relevant to the time they were released. Clancy hid a lot of background information as subtext in this story. A lot of it made it into the movie but was much more subdued than in the book. Ramius's wife was somewhat anti-establishment. She presented a security risk and bad optics for the Soviet party, she was also clearly Ramius's biggest potential weakness. So it is basically hinted at really that her death was coordinated as for political motivations to control Ramius. This is why he says that he killed his wife the moment he married her. He was a very influential ranking officer, and she was not going to ever abide by the political program. This is also why Ramius, suddenly after being an instructor for so long, accepted to become a captain (with the condition that he could select his officers). He was the old man, the Soviet Navy probably thought he wanted a nice ceremonial duty of testing a new ship. They accepted his asks probably assuming he was in his last duty before retiring. Ramius of course had other plans. He planned for the crew (to get them evacuated). He planted all the officers with people he trained and knew wanted to defect. He planned to replace the orders and get rid of the political officer. However there were two things he could not plan. One, his doctor got sick with appendicitis at the last minute. So there was a new doctor who was not loyal to his cause. Thus he had to slowly undermine and make the Doctor fear him to not get wind of his plan. Two was the GRU/KGB agents. The cook, was a member of the secret police and immediately knew the orders were not correct, and with the political officer's "accident", he knew Ramius was going rogue. So obviously the cook was working to sabotage the ship and try to stop everything the entire time.
One of my favorite Action Adventure films! Originally Kevin Costner was going to play Jack Ryan, but turned it down as he was too busy working on DANCES WITH WOLVES. John Milius rewrote the action scenes for the movie, while Shane Black had rewritten the dialogue to make it both witty and serious. It was a box office success, making $200 million dollars against a $30 million dollar budget. It won the Oscar for Best Sound Editing.
I served in the military in the mid 1980's. There was a real threat of nuclear war with the Russians in 1984. If the Red October looked larger than the USS Dallas, it's because it was. The Red October was a ballistic missile sub while the Dallas was a fast attack submarine. The smaller vehicle was a DSRV (Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle), designed to be able to attach to any countries submarines to rescue the crew.
Some people mentioned "Das Boot" ("the boat") in the comments. It should definitely be the next pick for the submarine theme. Its a German anti-war-film from 1981 about the 50 man crew of a German Type VII C submarine in WWII which is ordered to patrol the Atlantic to search and sink convoys of merchant ships laden with supplys for the British. The idea was to cut the supply lines between the US, Canada and the UK to starve out Great Britain and force them to surrender. The film shows the long boredom the crew has to endure in a cramped tube of steel as well as the terryfying and horrific moments when it is detected and attacked with depth charges by allied destroyers. The film was nominated for six Academy Awards and is considered to be the most realistic submarine film ever made, even by sailors who served in modern Navys of different countries. There are several versions of "Das Boot" (pronounced "boht", just like "bot" but with a prolonged "o") but the directors cut in original German with English subtitles would be the best choice for a reaction.
The pronunciation of “Boot” is actually pretty similar to the English translation “Boat”. (Some minor differences, but that’s the closest you’d find with standard English accent sounds) It’s just spelled differently
The three movies I remember starting with this movie are, "The Hunt for Red October", "Patriot Games", and "Clear and Present Danger". All of them being awesome.
Well, he was. Until just after Patriot Games when he became a contact between CIA and Mi5. The whole Jack Ryan series is pretty good, though certainly gets mor farcical as it progresses. At that point though he is Clancy's image of a decent American government worker who moves up due to his integrity and will to do the right thing. It's not a bad dream, but certainly out of touch with the reality we currently see.
@@chrismaverick9828 With Clear and Present Danger I think Clancy indeed does show the other side so I don't think it is out of touch but his hero Jack and boss are the rare ideal,
@chrismaverick9828 Not to mention that The Sum of All Fears is pretty much a rip off of Thomas Harris's Black Sunday except domestic instead of foreign. Though, Clancy's is better.
I love all the details that you catch. The language trick is still, hands down, one of the smoothest transitions in film. Glad you enjoyed this one, and I know if you catch Predator next, you'll be just as happy. One of the great pillars of Sci-Fi history, that sparked a whole class of clones trying to capture that feeling. Always love the content, CHEERS!
To answer your question, Jack Ryan is the main repeating character is a bunch of Tom Clancy novels dating back to the 80's. His novels have spawned this movie, and a series of Jack Ryan movies with Harrison Ford, Ben Affleck, and Chris Pine all plying Ryan. Tom Clancy also wrote Rainbow Six that became a genre-defining tactical shooter in the 90's. There have been a dozen RS games all the way up to today: Rainbow Six Siege. Amazon is getting ready to get into Rainbow Six with the sequel season to "Without Remorse" about John Clark. Clark is the major character in the Rainbow Six universe. I've personally been waiting for a Rainbow Six movie or series for almost 30 years. Sorry....I'm a nerd.
They're going to screw it up just as much as 'Without Remorse". Even worse, it'll play to the gamers who have NO idea that there was an actual Rainbow Six game that featured tactics and planning and was base off the novel.
I am trully sorry that that pile of radioactive waste that was "without remorse" is going to have a 2 season. One of the best books of the JR universe, and they destroyed it. With today's technology they could do a great Rainbow 6, bringing it to current events, showing the training and the tactics. But they don't have the brains nor the will to do it right.
I want to thank you for your reaction. It is rare that someone actually knows film. The plot, the arc of character, your passion for the art. A very rare pleasure. You rock.
At 49:32, the Soviet sailor on the right front was a LtJG on my sub, Bobenreith. He said they came into their class at the Naval Academy and were volun-told they were going to be used in a movie scene.
Chernenko. Anyone remember his short stint as Soviet General Secretary? 3 Soviet leaders all died in office in a row in the 80's- can you name them? Scott Glenn. Also played the FBI boss of Jodie Foster in Silence of The Lambs. Sam Neill. So many character/leading roles in sleeper movies-Dead Calm, The Emerald Forest, Damien, Omen II.
Sean Connery initially turned down the role of Captain Marko Ramius when he got the script. He didn't know that it was a "period piece" film because the first page had gotten lost while being faxed to him saying it was set in 1984. When he was told about that detail he was then convinced to take the role, and the rest is history.
Kind of weird to think of it as a period piece when it was set just a few years before filming. But then, a lot happened in those intervening years. Between Ramius's final thoughts at the end, and the text at the beginning, the implication is that this incident is what ultimately resulted in Gorbachev taking over, and in turn the beginning of the end of the cold war. By the time this film was released, the Berlin Wall had fallen and most of the communist governments of eastern Europe had either been voted out after finally allowing elections or been violently overthrown. The neat thing is how that theme only got stronger with time, as two years after the release the Soviet Union itself would dissolve. Its fun to imagine that the events of the film are what lead to all of that.
It's you, Coby, a very educated australian person, who makes this (and other ones with your involvement) channel shine. Wouldnt watch it otherwise. Hello from Russia.
The movie is just another propaganda from Cold War times, but its ok (im neutral about that). I'm here for your brilliant reactions. You should create your own channel and share it with nobody 🙂.
6:45 - You got it. The zoom in was a cinematic signal; a way to silently acknowlege that, yes, they're still speaking Russian for our audience's ease of understanding (and, no doubt, the actors' comfort), we're going to dispense with the actual language.
You are definitely smarter than alot of the reactors for this movie. So many have no idea what "defect" even means, or they think the caterpillar drive makes Red october go fast rather than silent. Stealth is everything to a sub. Well done. Subscribed.
Richard Jordan who was the guy who was running that first meeting was a great actor and sadly passed away from cancer right after playing a famous civil war general in the movie Gettysburg. Fantastic in all his roles
Red October is a ballistic Missle submarine, carrying 40 rockets, with eight warheads per Missle. The size of a WWII aircraft carrier. The Dallas is a much smaller, much faster attack class submarine. Capable of outrunning and out manuvering the Red October.
You have your weapons information incorrect. The Russian Typhoon-class Ballistic Missile Submarine carries 20 x RSM-52 Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles, not 40. With 10 warheads per missile that is how we arrive at “200 warheads off the coast.”
There are significant departures in this movie from the book it was based on. CARDINAL had confirmed Ramius' intention to defect, and there was no ticking clock about missile range because everyone understood that, if Ramius wanted to start WW3, his missiles had enough range to hit America as soon as he left the dock.
I love how Tom Clancy did not bother explaining all the details on how things work. It makes it more realistic and for someone like me who served in the Navy it is pretty obvious what they are doing. Watching you ask questions like how do countermeasures work or will the helicopter land on the sub is fun for me. Obviously most people don't know this and maybe that is why Red October was a little more of an obscure movie than it should have been. Fun fact... the book/movie Red October was based on TRUE EVENTS!! Russian Captain Valery Sablin went rogue and tried to use his ship to attack the Soviet Union in order to start a war. The USSR had to launch their fleet and attack one of their own ships. The book "The Last Sentry" tells the true story of Sablin. This story was not declassified and made public in America because if the US admitted they know about the events then they would also have to explain HOW they know. And the Russians were not going to tell anyone because it is personally embarrassing for them. Which makes you wonder... how did Clancy know? Tom Clancy's books are famous for their hyper-realism. Of course the Russian silent drive is science fiction but even that was something people have experimented with for both submarine and spacecraft propulsion.
Do research the Cold War and then if you feel like it watch this again, you could also see (even if only for yourself) the 2011 "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" Tomas Alfredson' film version of John Le Carré's magnificent 1974 novel, it takes place in England in the 1970's. With Colin Firth, Ciarán Hinds, John Hurt, Gary Oldman, Mark Strong, Benedict Cumberbatch in a totally brilliant cast, it will help you understand those days, living through it was a waking nightmare. There is also the 1979 7 part tv series with Sir Alec Guinness and a magnificent British cast. Like others have already said Wolfgang Petersen's "Das Boot" is an absolute must, be warned that compared to Hollywood movies it is a very demanding watch.
40:21 "Now, understand, Commander, that torpedo did not self-destruct. You heard it hit the hull. And I...was never here." One of my favorite lines followed by "Combat tactics, Mr. Ryan. By turning into the torpedo, the captain closed the distance before it could arm itself."
The Russian cook is the saboteur who tore out the circuit disabling the Caterpillar drive. He’s also the crew member Ramius calls over as a witness when he removes the political officers launch key and keeps it for himself.
He didn’t disable the Drive, as it’s too well-guarded. He sabotaged the Cooling System, forcing the Chief Engineer to shut-off the Drive and continue with noisy conventional propulsion.
In the novel, most of the sabotage was indeed pulled off by the conspirators in order to make the crew think there was a radiation danger. Borodin (Sam Neill's character) used the infirmary's X-Ray machine to tamper with the radiation badges, and Melekhin (Mister Redshirt) engineered a tiny leak to fool the junior officers into thinking the reactor was being tampered with.
You are correct. The zooming in on the political officer's mouth as he switches from Russian to English is to imply that they are still speaking Russian, but that we're hearing it in English as if someone just turned on a universal translator. It's a technique that McTiernan used in another one of his movies, The 13th Warrior (which you should check out).
Btw Coby, I really appreciate how you try hard not to talk over the dialogue in these films. You are the best at this imo and have become my favorite reactor. Thanks. Cheers.
Coby, very impressed with your reactions. Not many reactors could grasp submarine warfare, or the confidence to trust the decisions of an incredible submarine commander. You reacted like you were watching an exciting car chase or an epic battle scene. Bravo!
This was the first time I've watched one of your reactions and I got to say I really enjoyed it. You're intuitive and smart but also intrigued and clever and it really was a joy to watch how much you engaged with the film. 😊
Great reaction yes he is the best Sean Connery and thank you to Alec Baldwin for not doing the sequels because he thought that patriot games was gonna fail. He thought he’d rather do a big blockbuster like the shadow instead thank you so much Mr. Baldwin for giving Jack Ryan over to his proper actor, Harrison Ford in Harrison Ford will work with Sean Connery later in last Crusade. Thanks for the fun until next time.
In case you were still wondering, at 19:36 he was saying "course 2-6-0" as in on the bearing 260 degrees of a compass. I love this movie so much and I love watching reactors to the movie too. Also want to make note about the sabotage. There was sabotage of the caterpillar drive that let them run silently, that was the first sabotage and was done by the secret KGB agent on the ship (the junior cook). The second "sabotage" was a fake one done by the chief engineer to make the crew think that it was also sabotage that was messing with their reactor with all the radiation and stuff. They intentionally did that one to get the crew off the ship, and they were planning to sneak the Red October away while the crew thought that it was scuttled by Ramius. The plan was kind of screwed up because the saboteur was still aboard plus they were found by the Alfa class named the "Konovalov".
The Longest Day is an older movie with the French speaking French, the Germans speaking German and the Americans and British speaking English. Additionally, Sean Connery and Gert Froebe (Goldfinger) have bit parts in the movie.
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Coby + John McTiernan - Round 2
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Definitely check out the Harrison Ford Jack Ryan movies. They still have James Earl Jones.
The 2 submarines were of similar size. You just saw them in perspective as the October circled around Dallas so one was farther than the other
Check out the 13th warrior for more John McTiernan. Excellent movie.
@rimlandrealist7679 What you told her is mostly correct except the Typhoon ( In this Film) is over 250 feet Longer than the Dallas and beam ( width) that is at least 32ft more than the Dallas and a Draught ( Vertical Height not including conning tower) of some 60ft ( Remember it is a Ballistic missile submarine!) so not totally similar size! 😉
The principal in Ferris Beuler's Day Off is named Edward Rooney
I miss Sean Connery. Never even TRYING to hide his accent. What a legend.
agreed !
Because he's Sean Fooking Connery. He played a Spaniard in Highlander and we believed it!
I speak Russian pretty well, his Russian was in a Scottish accent too, lols, still sounded great.
@@MarkMcAllister-ni9sf interesting!! he just can't get rid of it!
Him as a Spaniard in Highlander.
Sub vet here. The sub leaping out of the water like that is real. The evolution is known as an e-blow, short for emergency blow. What happens is that the ballast tanks on the outside of the pressure hull are normally mostly full of water when the sub is underwater. In an e-blow, the water in those tanks is forced out all at once by compressed air, causing the sub to instantly become much more buoyant and rocket to the surface like a cork in an aquarium.
R.I.P. Sen. Fred Thompson, Sean Connery, James Earl Jones.
Funfact about Sean Connery: That guy had a library card to almost all bigger public librarys in Scotland and GB because he was reading all the time. He didnt have access to a lot of knowledge as a child and he tried his whole life to make up for it by reading and reading and reading. So that guy was REALLY smart on top of everything else.
And a good golfer!
He was one of the greatest actors from Europe, all of the 20th century. But he wasn't my favorite Bond. May God rest you, brave Scottsman...
And he only slapped women with an OPEN hand
And?
the cook was a KGB / GRU agent, which is why he wasnt on the manifest and had a gun onboard. If you recall, just before killing the political officer, they were talking about how if the KGB or GRU had agents onboard, the political officer wouldnt know about it. The cook was the person who randomly happened to be there to witness the Captain take the key off the political officer, which is what set him off to sabotage the engine and try to end the mission.
He also knew what the real orders were supposed to be, which is why they insert a shot of him looking surprised and confused when Ramius reads the fake orders to the crew over the PA.
Yep, was just about to say this.
The cook was played by Thomas Arana. He played the critical role of Quintas in "Gladiator". ("Sheathe your swords! Sheathe your swords! ")
@@user-gt2uf8cq9y I love this, hadnt ever connected the two roles, thank you
The political officer would more likely than not know that the agent was on board but he would have no reason to admit this to the Captain and may not have known who it was aside from being a person of low rank, doing a relatively insignificant job that also give him access to command spaces and officer country to overhear officers conversation, so a cook/server is about the perfect cover. Soviet Russia had an interesting chain of command where a ship or sub had two leaders of nearly equal power. The Captain commands the crew and handles military decisions at the tactical level, but any major actions need the OK of the political officer. While the political office would seem to be more powerful than the Captain this is not true, but a captain would be wise to follow the "suggestions" of the political officer lest his political reliability be called into question when they get back to port and file their after action reports. KGB/GRU would then review and reconcile the reports of the Captain, Political Officer, and the intelligence agent mole for discrepancies in their infamous "circle of accountability". In a manner of speaking the zampoilit watches the captain and the KGB watches both.
I love your ability to call out cast members as they appear. Alot of reactors just sit there and do not realize who they are watching.
Yes like it too but sometimes do like when reactors don't know the actor until after
"They just lower him down, like a little basket... of lotion." That got me.
Yeah, I didn't get why she said that. I thought maybe she said "into the ocean", but it did sound like lotion.
@@johnsilva9139 it's a Silence of the Lambs reference.
@@znk0r the rest of us got it. John didnt.
It rubs the lotion on its skin, or it gets the hose again.
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Me too
I've watched a dozen people react to this. You're the first one who really GOT this film. Enjoying your reactions more and more. You have a complex and powerful mind.
Yes she does.
She does.
And currently how much submarine can cost (as she was asking about it at some point, during the comments)? I would say = anything from 20-30 billion US/British Pounds.
Note1: I've been contracting for a while, long time in fact at various companies around UK/US and more, and know some people who currently work for something like .... BAE Systems.
So some ot the costs are well known, especially regading submarines ( in something related to shipyards in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, UK - but at this point, it is a public knowledge anyway; and US cost is usually similar = depending on the type of the given sub). And also a lot of other weapons too (anything you can imagine that BAE Systems/ or other companies in that field are is doing).
Note2: that IS also including the usual shit-show cost, connected with various delays, contractors, or even internal/external politics (and also internal approach of "who knows who", and which external company/contractor will get the main/sub contracts). But you can bet, that politics (at the top level) is always there too. And there is no question about it at all. And a lot is actually driven by it (not just in military appraoch, but even all around public sector, all over the place).
That language transition is still one of the coolest cinematic moves ever made , they were like " ok you saw them speaking Russian, now keep that in the back of your mind cause there's no way we're making sir sean connery do a cartoonish goofy Russian accent for the rest of the move" which gave all the actors the freedom they needed to Act their asses off in this movie .
It seems like they used the same effect in the 13th Warrior when they were speaking Old English (Anglo-Saxon).
The exact same trick was used in the movie 'Judgement At Nuremberg'. I THINK that was the first time it was used.
I haven't seen that technique in any other movie but it was well executed. I think it should be used more often.
In the 13th warrior Antonio Banderas character said he learned the language by listening to the others speak. Another solid execution of the language switch.
Cool part is they used the word armageddon, which is pronounced the same in both languages, to start the transition.
@@7thsealord888 I remember watching Judgement At Nuremberg just a few weeks after Red October came out and was like "Ahhh, THAT'S where they got that."
"Red Route One" was a real thing and it was what inspired Tom Clancy's novel. 1960-61 was the International Geophysical Year, with all countries setting aside their differences and doing peaceful, scientific research around the globe. (The IGY inspired the older film "Ice Station Zebra.") The Soviets took the opportunity to doing sonar surveys of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the thousands of miles of underwater mountains, ridges, canyons, and plateaus. Once they thoroughly mapped the M-AR, Soviet submarines confounded the US and Royal Navies by popping down into the canyons, where NATO sonar couldn't pinpoint them, and then running like a bat out of hell. It was like a rabbit disappearing down one hole and then reappearing anywhere it wanted to hundreds or thousands of miles away. This was "Red Route One." The Navy and NATO didn't talk about it, but Clancy heard a whisper about it from someone and turned it into a novel.
This was the novel that turned Tom Clancy into an industry and started the entire "Jack Ryan" series of movies and spinoffs.
Another great submarine movie with Denzel Washington, and Gene Hackman is,
"Crimson Tide"
Also, Jack Ryan becomes Harrison Ford after this movie in "Patriot Games" which has Darth Vader as well as Sean Bean in it. Which is a great movie too.
For sure !!
100% on Crimson Tide. Even more tense that this one. FANTASTIC film!
The sequel to Patriot Games is Clear and Present Danger.
Don't forget K-19:The Widowmaker, with Harrison Ford. Also based on a true event.
I served on the USS Kamahameha, a ballistic missile submarine. Watching Crimson Tide brought back many memories of my time on the sub. Very good movie with some accurate depictions of some of the activities on board. "Man battle stations missile for WSRT. This is the captain. This is an excercise." Memories.
It's so nice to see a reactor that gets the technological aspects of this movie without getting confused. You nailed it here.
The Whale was the USS Dallas. They got in the torpedoes path, to draw the torpedo away from the Red October. Then blew all the tanks (Forcing water out of the tanks) so it would surface very quickly.
I believe the video of that was from another sub going through sea trials some years earlier.
@@shag139 it certainly looked like real footage of a sub popping up like a cork
@@shag139From what I've read it was USS Houston and filmed specifically for this movie
It's also used in the opening credits of JAG @@shag139
@@arosha1subs perform this maneuver for their sea trials. Lots of pictures and videos exist.
2:51 This was the first time I saw Gates McFadden in a role other than Dr. Crusher on _Star Trek: The Next Generation._ It took me a moment to recognize her. She's a versatile actress.
yes the entire cast seems to have gone on to amazing careers. Except for Alec Baldwin lol. (until he was 'rediscovered' by the guys that made 30 Rock). Hell they did not even bring him back for the remaining Jack Ryan movies. Personally I thought he did fine in this movie! He must have pissed someone off big time or gotten in to drugs or something.
I could listen to Sean Connery read the phone book and be happy
Agreed
That's pure ASMR
Or James Earl Jones and Morgan Freeman
@@billthomas478 every documentary should have them, basically
"Aaron Andersshon"
Your questions:
All of the officers except the doctor and zampolit (political officer/commissar) defected with Ramius. When officers rebel like this and take the ship it is called "barratry" rather then "mutiny".
The cook was an undercover agent of GRU, the Soviet military intelligence/security/counter-espionage agency. The military version of the KGB.
Firearms are normally locked up aboard Naval ships, So Capt. Mancuso (Scott Glenn) checked out several pistols from _Dallas'_ armory for the trip to _Red October_ The Soviet "cook" had a pistol in secret because he was an undercover GRU agent.
The translation kicks in on the symbolic word "Armeggedon" because it is the same in both languages. It gives an inflection point.
The director took the idea from the movie JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBURG(1961).
I never knew this. Thanks, stranger.
There is an EXCELLENT video essay on this movie (and the prior one was on Die Hard) and it talks about this moment as the KEY to the film... because the "Bad Guys" becomes suddenly relatable to. Then the scene in the Red October's command deck with the Americans, Ryan, Ramius, etc, the language reset/shifts are to remind you of their antagonistic natures being overcome. Note when the capt. of the Dallas side eyes Baldwin and says "Ryan?" ... The capt. does NOT understand Ramius, who we hear in English but is still speaking Russian, as is Ryan.
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*GREAT* seeing Coby appreciate Scott Glenn's understated presence. He had a small part in the Apple TV show Bad Monkey recently, as Vince Vaughan's father - and the minute I saw him I just felt this relaxed enjoyment from his whole vibe.
Scott Glenn is a retired Marine. He *knows* what the military calls "command presence."
@@jaykaufman9782 Ah I didn't know that. He's had an interesting career and from what I've read he stays out of Hollywood and lives on some land - at least he used to.
Sam Neill's next movie....he did live in Montana, in Jurassic Park
whoa is that where his character lives?? did not realize that
@@criminalcontent Then there is " Sirens " 1994 in Australia .
😁awesome point! lots of actors went on to amazing careers after this movie! (except Alec Baldwin lol)
@@GTgradhe recently shot to fame 😲
@@jamiebrooks3864”shot” to fame, lol.
I remember Alec Baldwin on the Tonight show with Johnny Carson and he was talking about waiting to hear if Connery was onboard with the project. He said he was cheering when he heard Connery had accepted the part, and then it slowly began to dawn on him that nobody was going to notice him because Connery was gonna be there. Principle Ed Rooney. You won't like Scott Glenn in Urban Cowboy. They're not that fast. 22 knots is about 25mph. 1 knot is equal to 1.15mph. The Dallas wasnt under the Red October. It was a shot of the Red October circling, and you could see the Dallas in the distance. It just looked like they were beneath the Red October. It is bigger than the Dallas, but even the Dallas is pretty big. The helicopter rotors generate stupid amounts of powerful static elctricity. The Dallas flew out of the water.
Well, speed is relative, for a submerged submarine it's pretty fast. Compared to a jet airplane it's not.
@@jonathanryan9946 A jet? Heck, compared to my bass boat it's not.
@@tvdroid22 That obviously depends on the current wave heights. Your bass boat isn't gonna make good speed in choppy wave conditions. While in contrast that Submarine will just keep on going completely unaffected, still at 25 knots.
So again, it's all relative. Your boat isn't moving nearly the same mass nor is it doing so submerged. Your boat is just skimming the water, with what a draft of maybe 11". It's really an apples to oranges comparison.
The fastest Submarine ever built only hit 44.7 knots, but created so much cavitation it wasn't silent but really loud. While running quiet 25 knots to 30 knots is considered really fast for submarines. This is the other factor, he wasn't in an attack Submarine but a massive ballistic missile Submarine, which are slower and less maneuverable. The equivalent of being a semi truck on the highway vs a hot rod but still nearly matching their speeds while driving at night with no lights on the road or car and hoping the GPS was accurate when the upcoming turn was.
Further the Typhoons max recorded speed in 27 knots while submerged, so Ramius had it nearly at full speed. It was relatively fast, and going blind and silent through canyons only charted for slower speeds. Crazier Submarines lose their exact positioning the longer they stay submerged, because they mark their location from satellite while surfaced then kinda have to guess where they are after that point, if he had been submerged for a week, he could have been an entire Submarine length off course and actually crashed into the canyon. What he was doing was really pushing the boundaries. He just had confidence in his and his officers training of his crew that they where close enough to where they thought they where and that the maps were accurate... but if they weren't he would have blindly crashed into the canyon then been hit by a torpedo.
OMG you have too much time on your hands. A torpedo is faster and just as free to navigate. 20 knots submerged is fast compared to a German u-boat submerged, running on battery power at 5 knots. Otherwise, it's pretty damned slow. Deal with it.
@@tvdroid22 Having time just means I can actually address the topic accurately, rather than thinking I sound smart and moving on while learning nothing.
Look a torpedo isn't nearly the same size or mass though, it's moving a vastly different volume and mass. So again, you're comparing two totally different things. If you want to just list the fastest man made object, the NASA's Parker Space probe moving at 394,736 mph, and act like everything else is slow in comparison, yeah you think you just said something mindblowing or profound but in reality you're just under-appricating the sheer engineering of the other vehicle and it's unique challenges.
Torpedoes are way smaller and sprint, running out of power in 10 minutes. When a nuclear powered submarine holds over 100 people, food for 6 months, dozens of torpedoes, and can run for decades without refueling. A Typhoon Submarine moving at 25 knots is really fast for a submerged Ballistic Missile Submarine, that's more than the stated top Speed of America's equivalent ballistic missile submarine USS Ohio class.
The ultimate submarine war movie is Das Boot, 1981, starring a bunch of Germans speaking German. It's a gritty, realistic view of a U boat on a mission in WWII. You see how crews lived in tight quarters during boring times, and how they suffered battle.
I also recommend The Enemy Below, starring Robert Mitchum. 1958. A WWII chess game between a U boat and a US destroyer. Both captains are good.
Das Boot is so good. I don’t know how good it would make for a reaction with the tiny subtitles in the corner of the screen (lol). But every incarnation of it is awesome. I even have the 8 hour German TV version. So good
U-571 is another great submarine movie as well.
Das Boot is a masterpiece. The ultimate 5 hour cut is brilliant, lot of movie, but brilliant.
@@zhaley1980lol. Jon Bon Jovi’s entire movie career. Dude really thought he’d be the next James Dean.
@@zhaley1980….. the widow maker. Still haunts me to this day!
25:15 one of my favorite moments from this film: in the scene before, we saw the Captain being super critical and skeptical of Ryan, not giving him an inch. Then he hears about Ryan’s chopper accident and what he accomplished despite it and, in their very next scene together, it’s a much cooler, more fluid, and more professional dynamic. Instead of being standoffish, he even gives Ryan a few pointers about ditching in the ocean. It’s a terrific character moment.
Great comment, just FYI that's not the XO, that's the captain of the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier. Fred Thompson is the admiral in charge of the entire battle group. They both reside on the carrier and have their own separate areas of command.
@@lambert1024 Fixed. Thank you.
One of my favorite lines from the book version is when Admiral Greer meets Jack after the Red October docks. Jack reaches into his pocket, and puts the Red October's missile keys into Greer's hand. "You can end the world with those." Scott Glenn tells in an interview how the studio actually arranged for him to spend some time on an actual Los Angeles Class attack sub. The captain of the boat ordered his crew to take Glenn's orders. When the captain gave an order, Glenn would repeat it, so he got experience actually giving orders as a submarine captain. Glenn said that whenever Mancuso gives orders in the movie, he's imitating that submarine captain.
Loving that you know these amazing generational actors, playing small parts....without using IMDB. Remember when great cinema was a cultural event for the entire nation??
Coby, I am SO IMPRESSED with you. You called the events almost every one of them before they happened. This is the top 10 movies of my favorites of all time. I watch it. Every chance I get I was totally amazed by your predictions being spot on. great job.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have this movie in my collection. I was in the US Navy submarine service when it was released. My crew went to the theater in dress whites not a single man disliked the movie. There was a few technical errors the author took license with. But nobody cared. We cheered at the end.
Thank You for your service, I too went to subs back in the mid-70s.
Author Tom Clancy based his novel on a real incident - the attempted defection of a Soviet frigate, the Storozhevoy. Clancy said in a 1991 interview that he made the change from frigate to submarine because it throws a lot more chips into the pot. After the release of the hardcover, a copy was given to Ronald Reagan as a Christmas present. He later told a reporter that it was the perfect yarn.
The Soviet Frigate Storozhevoy incident was not an attempted defection in the slightest. Look up the story of the mutiny.
After the success of the book (and the other Jack Ryan escapades) and this movie, Tom Clancy was asked if he thought Russia was still a superpower after the fall of the Soviet Union. Clancy replied they never really were a superpower, just a bully with nukes. When asked why, he said he had traveled extensively through Russia during and after the cold war and came to the conclusion that any country with a crappy road and transportation system within 200 miles of their capital (Moscow) is not a real superpower.
I wondered about a detail in the movie: When the Soviet Ambassador to the United States (Andrei Lysenko) was in the National Security Advisor's office, Pelt offered the Soviet Ambassador jelly beans. Because Reagan enjoyed Jelly Beans, I wondered if that detail was meant to be a Cold War poke at the Soviets or a nod to Reagan.
@@doubleubee7523 Too bad the current administration doesn't have a Jeffrey Pelt serving in a cabinet position. The country and the world would be better off. Instead we have fools like Admiral Kirby.
Oh yes the century incident the funny thing is that it the political officer is the one that goes rogue with the help of the enlisted crew.
I read somewhere that Tom Clancy's details of submarines were so accurate in his books, that he was questioned about how he knew so much.
Same thing with DR. STRANELOVE
The details he put in the book do not reflect the reality of Soviet submarines. For starters, almost every Russian submarine had _two_ reactors instead of one like the Americans do.
@@BogeyTheBear Yes, well the US government was only interested in how much he knew about US submarines. :)
I saw an interview he did and he said he got all of the information from open sources. Mostly from the local public library. The Navy was surprised he found that much detail without breaking into a safe somewhere.
@@vanceb1 in that case, they need to classify more of it. :)
The two Jack Ryan films starring Harrison Ford are both also quite fantastic. _Patriot Games_ is my personal favorite, but _Clear and Present Danger_ is also a solid film. I recommend both of them.
Fun fact: Clear and Present Danger was the first movie released on DVD!
I agree, but I rate them in the opposite order. LOL. Both are great though.
Correct! I concur with both recommendations.
Saw _Patriot Games_ at the cinema - TWICE!
As the films progressed, they became less and less like the books. HfRO and PG give pretty good condensed versions of the books they were based on. CaPD and SoaF have some resemblance to the books they were based on. Everything else is about some other guy who is named “Jack Ryan.”
6:40 That zoom in was a callback to the 1961 movie "Judgment at Nuremberg)", where they did the same thing in the courtroom switching Maximilian Schell from german to english.
I’m impressed how Coby picked up the plan by Ramius. In the book Ramius blames the death of his wife on the Soviet bureaucracy. I think she had an appendicitis and the surgeon was drunk and screwed it up but he was protected by a powerful father.
Surgeon was called in while drunk and took too much time huffing pure oxygen to sober up. By that time her appendix had burst. Follow that up with shoddy antibiotics from the state-run companies that were more concerned with meeting quotas than making proper drugs.
He was one of the privileged and the system failed him, leaving no one to blame but the system itself. So he decided to punish it he only way he could and make it matter.
Absolutely no apologies needed from you, not remembering this or that or names. This is a massively beautiful chess game of a film and no way would one ask someone to remember everything as they're going along, lol. Having said that, this version with you has definitely become one of if not the favourite version for me; loved your giddyness throughout it.
- I thought it was pretty fresh if not 'innovative' for them to change languages, but using a common word in the sentence be a 'hinge' between the two. ie speaking russian, russian russian. "armageddon", speaking english, english, english.
- the director, McTiernan, is a master at juggling so much that was happening and he really makes it look effortless. I know if you had a 2nd or 3rd viewing you would see the craftwork of it all. You may get to his Predator for the channel, but if you want one of his slightly rom-com-ish type of cat-and-mouse flicks, PLEASE try his Thomas Crown Affair (1999), even if on yer own time for something to just sit back to and have a big ole goofy smile on yer face the entire time 😂
A fun fact from a replier above, that you may enjoy, want to research, etc. I remember loving the switch, the first time I watched Red October. Never knew of its possible origins...
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The director took the idea from the movie JUDGEMENT AT NUREMBURG(1961).
@@codymoe4986 Cool. Thanks.
It always gets to me that Borodin (Sam Neill) never made it to Montana because he took a bullet protecting his friend Capt. Ramius.
Hey, spoiler alert!!!
He absolutely made it to Montana. That's where we find him dinosaur fossil hunting in Jurassic Park. ;)
He lived in the novel.
@@michaelkemmet834 Ha! Excellent point!
In the novel, it was the navigator Kamarov ("I'll fly a plane through the Alps with no windows") who was killed by the saboteur.
The scene when the Dallas breaches the surface is such an amazing shot.
It’s a hell of a ride doing an emergency blow from inside a sub too ;-)
yes because it is real. nowadays they probably would use CGI and it would look ridiculous :p
A Los Angeles class is a lot smaller than a Typhoon but the reason Dallas looked tiny underneath was because it was a few hundred yards in the background.
And USS Dallas was what went flying up out of the water. They attracted the torpedo, then launched noise making countermeasures, then went up out of the way as fast as they could.
Thanks, I was hoping someone would point all those out to Coby. Might not be important but imo, it is :)
yes a real Russian Typhoon class submarine is much larger than anything the United States has ever built. And US fast attack submarines used to regularly drive right behind and in between the screws of the Russians back in the 1980s to get audio recordings of the sounds the ship would make. (hence the Crazy Ivan). All part of Clancy's amazing attention to detail!
Came here for Coby's spectacular beauty, stayed for a movie reaction ;)
Coby watch Sean Connery again in The Rock. It's totally worth it 👌.
but, of course
And the character he plays is probably an older Bond.
@@criminalcontentagree, you need to check it, so good!
Or Highlander if you want to see Sean Connery play a Spaniard with a Scottish accent. Unfortunately it's only a supporting role.
Also Entrapment.
Baldwin was the best Jack Ryan in my opinion, to bad he went a different route, classic movie thanks!
Coby, everyone who was having supper with the captain (Ramius) is in on the plan. Remember how they sent Tim Curry’s character off with some made-up excuse? The doctor is NOT part of the defection.
Jesus, you’re smart, girl 👏🏻. One step ahead of the script every time. Great watch, as usual.🥂
many thanks!
Now you need to watch "K-19: The Widowmaker" with Harrison Ford. It's a low-budget movie, but a true story and terrifying.
According to IMDB, the movie had a budget of $100 Million. But it's worldwide box office was $65.7 million. I had no idea it had done so poorly...
I remember appreciating it a lot.
Absolutely!
The Hunt for Red October is the first book written, but retroactively Clancy added 3 other books before it. So Jack is the least fleshed out with character lore in this story. From a film/tv perspective there is no concrete way to make Jack Ryan's adventures fully consistent. They take liberty with his age and the setting to be more relevant to the time they were released.
Clancy hid a lot of background information as subtext in this story. A lot of it made it into the movie but was much more subdued than in the book.
Ramius's wife was somewhat anti-establishment. She presented a security risk and bad optics for the Soviet party, she was also clearly Ramius's biggest potential weakness. So it is basically hinted at really that her death was coordinated as for political motivations to control Ramius. This is why he says that he killed his wife the moment he married her. He was a very influential ranking officer, and she was not going to ever abide by the political program.
This is also why Ramius, suddenly after being an instructor for so long, accepted to become a captain (with the condition that he could select his officers). He was the old man, the Soviet Navy probably thought he wanted a nice ceremonial duty of testing a new ship. They accepted his asks probably assuming he was in his last duty before retiring.
Ramius of course had other plans. He planned for the crew (to get them evacuated). He planted all the officers with people he trained and knew wanted to defect. He planned to replace the orders and get rid of the political officer.
However there were two things he could not plan. One, his doctor got sick with appendicitis at the last minute. So there was a new doctor who was not loyal to his cause. Thus he had to slowly undermine and make the Doctor fear him to not get wind of his plan. Two was the GRU/KGB agents. The cook, was a member of the secret police and immediately knew the orders were not correct, and with the political officer's "accident", he knew Ramius was going rogue. So obviously the cook was working to sabotage the ship and try to stop everything the entire time.
Sean Connery as Marko Ramius. I'm here for it. It's going to be fun watching Coby notice his excellent Russian accent! LOL
Fun fact: Tim Curry's father was a Chaplain in the Royal Navy and he grew up in Plymouth, one of Britain's main naval bases
One of my favorite Action Adventure films!
Originally Kevin Costner was going to play Jack Ryan, but turned it down as he was too busy working on DANCES WITH WOLVES.
John Milius rewrote the action scenes for the movie, while Shane Black had rewritten the dialogue to make it both witty and serious.
It was a box office success, making $200 million dollars against a $30 million dollar budget.
It won the Oscar for Best Sound Editing.
The credited screenwriter plays Chief Thompson, the guy who tells the Pavarotti story.
Furtunately, Costner was able to help prevent WW3 in "Thirteen Days." 😊
I served in the military in the mid 1980's. There was a real threat of nuclear war with the Russians in 1984. If the Red October looked larger than the USS Dallas, it's because it was. The Red October was a ballistic missile sub while the Dallas was a fast attack submarine. The smaller vehicle was a DSRV (Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle), designed to be able to attach to any countries submarines to rescue the crew.
Thank you for your service !!!
cannot get enough of Coby!!!
You’re not the only one 😊
The early Jack Ryan movies with Harrison Ford are awesome. Definately worth a watch.
Operation Petticoat
1959 starring Cary Grant and Tony Curtis
Classic. I love that movie.
Is that the one with the famous scene of them breaking up through the ice?
@@ThemeOfSecrets No, it's the one with a WW2 sub that gets painted PINK. It's a comedy.
@@ThemeOfSecrets That might have been Ice Station Zebra ?
Some people mentioned "Das Boot" ("the boat") in the comments. It should definitely be the next pick for the submarine theme. Its a German anti-war-film from 1981 about the 50 man crew of a German Type VII C submarine in WWII which is ordered to patrol the Atlantic to search and sink convoys of merchant ships laden with supplys for the British. The idea was to cut the supply lines between the US, Canada and the UK to starve out Great Britain and force them to surrender. The film shows the long boredom the crew has to endure in a cramped tube of steel as well as the terryfying and horrific moments when it is detected and attacked with depth charges by allied destroyers. The film was nominated for six Academy Awards and is considered to be the most realistic submarine film ever made, even by sailors who served in modern Navys of different countries. There are several versions of "Das Boot" (pronounced "boht", just like "bot" but with a prolonged "o") but the directors cut in original German with English subtitles would be the best choice for a reaction.
The pronunciation of “Boot” is actually pretty similar to the English translation “Boat”. (Some minor differences, but that’s the closest you’d find with standard English accent sounds) It’s just spelled differently
The three movies I remember starting with this movie are, "The Hunt for Red October", "Patriot Games", and "Clear and Present Danger". All of them being awesome.
Excellent video!! You basically showed the whole movie. Best review I've seen.
Wow, thanks!
Job Title of Jack Ryan: "CIA Analyst"
If they even let a title be used. They will disavow what someone drinks for breakfast.
Well, he was. Until just after Patriot Games when he became a contact between CIA and Mi5. The whole Jack Ryan series is pretty good, though certainly gets mor farcical as it progresses. At that point though he is Clancy's image of a decent American government worker who moves up due to his integrity and will to do the right thing. It's not a bad dream, but certainly out of touch with the reality we currently see.
@@chrismaverick9828 With Clear and Present Danger I think Clancy indeed does show the other side so I don't think it is out of touch but his hero Jack and boss are the rare ideal,
Hell of a career arc from a lowly CIA analyst to President of the United States.
@chrismaverick9828 Not to mention that The Sum of All Fears is pretty much a rip off of Thomas Harris's Black Sunday except domestic instead of foreign. Though, Clancy's is better.
I love all the details that you catch. The language trick is still, hands down, one of the smoothest transitions in film. Glad you enjoyed this one, and I know if you catch Predator next, you'll be just as happy. One of the great pillars of Sci-Fi history, that sparked a whole class of clones trying to capture that feeling. Always love the content, CHEERS!
To answer your question, Jack Ryan is the main repeating character is a bunch of Tom Clancy novels dating back to the 80's. His novels have spawned this movie, and a series of Jack Ryan movies with Harrison Ford, Ben Affleck, and Chris Pine all plying Ryan. Tom Clancy also wrote Rainbow Six that became a genre-defining tactical shooter in the 90's. There have been a dozen RS games all the way up to today: Rainbow Six Siege. Amazon is getting ready to get into Rainbow Six with the sequel season to "Without Remorse" about John Clark. Clark is the major character in the Rainbow Six universe. I've personally been waiting for a Rainbow Six movie or series for almost 30 years.
Sorry....I'm a nerd.
They're going to screw it up just as much as 'Without Remorse". Even worse, it'll play to the gamers who have NO idea that there was an actual Rainbow Six game that featured tactics and planning and was base off the novel.
I am trully sorry that that pile of radioactive waste that was "without remorse" is going to have a 2 season.
One of the best books of the JR universe, and they destroyed it.
With today's technology they could do a great Rainbow 6, bringing it to current events, showing the training and the tactics. But they don't have the brains nor the will to do it right.
I want to thank you for your reaction.
It is rare that someone actually knows film.
The plot, the arc of character, your passion for the art.
A very rare pleasure.
You rock.
At 49:32, the Soviet sailor on the right front was a LtJG on my sub, Bobenreith. He said they came into their class at the Naval Academy and were volun-told they were going to be used in a movie scene.
Coby gets ALL the minute details! "Lowered in a basket, like the lotion" was a nice one! And now, Coby's IG photos before lunch!
Love it!!
Now you are ready to watch the German masterpiece: Das Boot. A great movie to see the horror of submarine warfare in WWII.
This is definitely worth a second watch. It makes a bit more sense after a couple of watches.
Amazing how just one ping can speak volumes. Such a great movie and really enjoyed your reaction throughout Coby.
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Chernenko. Anyone remember his short stint as Soviet General Secretary? 3 Soviet leaders all died in office in a row in the 80's- can you name them? Scott Glenn. Also played the FBI boss of Jodie Foster in Silence of The Lambs. Sam Neill. So many character/leading roles in sleeper movies-Dead Calm, The Emerald Forest, Damien, Omen II.
@phila3884 Leonid Brezhnev, Yuri Andropov and Konstantin Chernenko, all of natural causes, I am ancient👵.
@@isabelsilva62023 You win! (If you didn't have to Google it).
One of my all time favorites.
The book is even better.
Sean Connery initially turned down the role of Captain Marko Ramius when he got the script. He didn't know that it was a "period piece" film because the first page had gotten lost while being faxed to him saying it was set in 1984. When he was told about that detail he was then convinced to take the role, and the rest is history.
Kind of weird to think of it as a period piece when it was set just a few years before filming. But then, a lot happened in those intervening years. Between Ramius's final thoughts at the end, and the text at the beginning, the implication is that this incident is what ultimately resulted in Gorbachev taking over, and in turn the beginning of the end of the cold war. By the time this film was released, the Berlin Wall had fallen and most of the communist governments of eastern Europe had either been voted out after finally allowing elections or been violently overthrown. The neat thing is how that theme only got stronger with time, as two years after the release the Soviet Union itself would dissolve. Its fun to imagine that the events of the film are what lead to all of that.
I remember watching this as a kid when this came out on home video. :) Principal`s name was Ed Rooney. :)
It's you, Coby, a very educated australian person, who makes this (and other ones with your involvement) channel shine. Wouldnt watch it otherwise. Hello from Russia.
The movie is just another propaganda from Cold War times, but its ok (im neutral about that). I'm here for your brilliant reactions. You should create your own channel and share it with nobody 🙂.
6:45 - You got it. The zoom in was a cinematic signal; a way to silently acknowlege that, yes, they're still speaking Russian for our audience's ease of understanding (and, no doubt, the actors' comfort), we're going to dispense with the actual language.
I still love that move.
This is a nod to the film Judgement and Nuremburg where a similar camera move was used.
You are definitely smarter than alot of the reactors for this movie. So many have no idea what "defect" even means, or they think the caterpillar drive makes Red october go fast rather than silent. Stealth is everything to a sub.
Well done. Subscribed.
John McTiernan also directed Predator
AND Die Hard.
He did these three films back to back. What a run.
Good to see the younger generation appreciating what are now classics, there is hope for humanity :D
Sean Connery in "The Rock" next. Its a "hidden" Bond movie and one of the best action flicks out there!
Richard Jordan who was the guy who was running that first meeting was a great actor and sadly passed away from cancer right after playing a famous civil war general in the movie Gettysburg. Fantastic in all his roles
Red October is a ballistic Missle submarine, carrying 40 rockets, with eight warheads per Missle. The size of a WWII aircraft carrier.
The Dallas is a much smaller, much faster attack class submarine. Capable of outrunning and out manuvering the Red October.
You have your weapons information incorrect. The Russian Typhoon-class Ballistic Missile Submarine carries 20 x RSM-52 Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles, not 40. With 10 warheads per missile that is how we arrive at “200 warheads off the coast.”
@@Ryan_ChristopherExactly!. 6 real Typhoons were built. Only 2 remain in service.
I just started watching your content, it is actually really refreshing to see a first time reactor who actually RECOGNIZES the actors in the movie!
@13:28 You'd need to read "The Cardinal of the Kremlin" to understand why nobody but that really old guy has access to that information.
That would be a good movie.
There are significant departures in this movie from the book it was based on. CARDINAL had confirmed Ramius' intention to defect, and there was no ticking clock about missile range because everyone understood that, if Ramius wanted to start WW3, his missiles had enough range to hit America as soon as he left the dock.
Fun one, Coby! I enjoyed rewatching this with you. Thanks for sharing it.
Thank you !!
"Your just an analyst's what makes you think you know anything?"
That's the definition of the job
so true
It's like saying _"What do you know anything about medicine, Doctor?"_
I love how Tom Clancy did not bother explaining all the details on how things work. It makes it more realistic and for someone like me who served in the Navy it is pretty obvious what they are doing. Watching you ask questions like how do countermeasures work or will the helicopter land on the sub is fun for me. Obviously most people don't know this and maybe that is why Red October was a little more of an obscure movie than it should have been.
Fun fact... the book/movie Red October was based on TRUE EVENTS!! Russian Captain Valery Sablin went rogue and tried to use his ship to attack the Soviet Union in order to start a war. The USSR had to launch their fleet and attack one of their own ships. The book "The Last Sentry" tells the true story of Sablin. This story was not declassified and made public in America because if the US admitted they know about the events then they would also have to explain HOW they know. And the Russians were not going to tell anyone because it is personally embarrassing for them. Which makes you wonder... how did Clancy know?
Tom Clancy's books are famous for their hyper-realism. Of course the Russian silent drive is science fiction but even that was something people have experimented with for both submarine and spacecraft propulsion.
Do research the Cold War and then if you feel like it watch this again, you could also see (even if only for yourself) the 2011 "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" Tomas Alfredson' film version of John Le Carré's magnificent 1974 novel, it takes place in England in the 1970's. With Colin Firth, Ciarán Hinds, John Hurt, Gary Oldman, Mark Strong, Benedict Cumberbatch in a totally brilliant cast, it will help you understand those days, living through it was a waking nightmare. There is also the 1979 7 part tv series with Sir Alec Guinness and a magnificent British cast. Like others have already said Wolfgang Petersen's "Das Boot" is an absolute must, be warned that compared to Hollywood movies it is a very demanding watch.
We're watching in memory of James Earl Jones! He seemed to be able to play any roll, even a Snake!
If you like older Sean Connery, you’ll like him in Entrapment, a heist film.
Catherine Zeta Jones dips between lasers
I watched that one for a different reason. 😂
40:21 "Now, understand, Commander, that torpedo did not self-destruct. You heard it hit the hull.
And I...was never here."
One of my favorite lines followed by
"Combat tactics, Mr. Ryan. By turning into the torpedo, the captain closed the distance before it could arm itself."
The Russian cook is the saboteur who tore out the circuit disabling the Caterpillar drive. He’s also the crew member Ramius calls over as a witness when he removes the political officers launch key and keeps it for himself.
He was also a person of suspicious nature in The Bodyguard.
He didn’t disable the Drive, as it’s too well-guarded. He sabotaged the Cooling System, forcing the Chief Engineer to shut-off the Drive and continue with noisy conventional propulsion.
In the novel, most of the sabotage was indeed pulled off by the conspirators in order to make the crew think there was a radiation danger. Borodin (Sam Neill's character) used the infirmary's X-Ray machine to tamper with the radiation badges, and Melekhin (Mister Redshirt) engineered a tiny leak to fool the junior officers into thinking the reactor was being tampered with.
You are correct. The zooming in on the political officer's mouth as he switches from Russian to English is to imply that they are still speaking Russian, but that we're hearing it in English as if someone just turned on a universal translator.
It's a technique that McTiernan used in another one of his movies, The 13th Warrior (which you should check out).
Darth Vader is in charge of the C.I.A. ---- Works for me. :-)
Btw Coby, I really appreciate how you try hard not to talk over the dialogue in these films. You are the best at this imo and have become my favorite reactor. Thanks. Cheers.
The next one you want to review is "Firefox",a Clint Eastwood cold war film.It's as good as this.
To say the movie takes a tonal shift going into Act 3 is an understatement.
An underrated movie in my opinion, although the effects on the flying scenes could've been better.
@@calvinhobbes2680 agreed.
Coby, very impressed with your reactions. Not many reactors could grasp submarine warfare, or the confidence to trust the decisions of an incredible submarine commander. You reacted like you were watching an exciting car chase or an epic battle scene. Bravo!
Thank you !!
Coby is the best reactor. No politics, just true interest. Thank you.
And she's a TOTAL HONEY!
This was the first time I've watched one of your reactions and I got to say I really enjoyed it. You're intuitive and smart but also intrigued and clever and it really was a joy to watch how much you engaged with the film. 😊
Armageddon is pronounced the same in English and Russian. They chose that word as the transition between Russian and English
Great reaction yes he is the best Sean Connery and thank you to Alec Baldwin for not doing the sequels because he thought that patriot games was gonna fail. He thought he’d rather do a big blockbuster like the shadow instead thank you so much Mr. Baldwin for giving Jack Ryan over to his proper actor, Harrison Ford in Harrison Ford will work with Sean Connery later in last Crusade. Thanks for the fun until next time.
In case you were still wondering, at 19:36 he was saying "course 2-6-0" as in on the bearing 260 degrees of a compass. I love this movie so much and I love watching reactors to the movie too.
Also want to make note about the sabotage. There was sabotage of the caterpillar drive that let them run silently, that was the first sabotage and was done by the secret KGB agent on the ship (the junior cook). The second "sabotage" was a fake one done by the chief engineer to make the crew think that it was also sabotage that was messing with their reactor with all the radiation and stuff. They intentionally did that one to get the crew off the ship, and they were planning to sneak the Red October away while the crew thought that it was scuttled by Ramius. The plan was kind of screwed up because the saboteur was still aboard plus they were found by the Alfa class named the "Konovalov".
Make sure she watches his last Bond movie. “The Rock”
Oh yes
Bond movie??
@@EF-fc4dusean connery plays a super spy locked up in alcatraz for years. He isn’t named James Bond but for fun, people say that he is.
Great film, Coby! Stay awesome as always ❤
Thanks! You too!
Another submarine movie to watch, Das Boot (German movie, with English Subtitles version).
The Longest Day is an older movie with the French speaking French, the Germans speaking German and the Americans and British speaking English. Additionally, Sean Connery and Gert Froebe (Goldfinger) have bit parts in the movie.
Nothing gets by Coby! One of the best and most entertaining reactors out there. Great movie of course, fantastic cast.
Wow, thanks!
Wow, bonus points for immediately connecting Scott Glenn with 'Apocalypse Now' and not one of his more easily recognizable roles.
Yep, I always go to The Right Stuff first.
Let's put Silverado on to the plate, friends.