Star rating every major sim racing title in 2023!!
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I asked you to give a star rating to each of the major #simracing titles on their standing in 2023. Here are the results, featuring #iracing #raceroom #assettocorsa #assettocorsacompetizione #rfactor2 and #ams2
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This video is fantastic. Thank you for your work on this!
Ah Mike thank you buddy - it means a lot that you’re watching the vids and leave such kind feedback!
Ive tried them all and Automobilista 2 is the one I love the most, especially since the VR immersion is unbeatable, and the new F USA 23 cars are AMAZING!
The F USA 23 is indeed great fun!
AM2 has the best Vr adaption I’ve see. But Acc/Ac are my go too. I’d give am2 4 * though imo
The popular vote did the expected...
ok, let's summarize the rules of math according to this channel
rFactor2: average of 2.82 equals 2.5 stars
RR: 2.8 equals 3 stars
AMS2: 3.54 equals 3.5 stars
ACC: 3.67 equals 4 stars
AC: 3.81 equals 4 star
IR: 3.76 equals 4.5 stars
so why make a vote if you decide the results beforehand?
Even as an Iracing user, it surprises me how highly it was rated!
With the greatest of respect to Ben, and his content is very good indeed, the results of this poll were entirely predictable as he has pretty much gone all in on iRacing. There’s nothing wrong with that, it is the supreme example of a brilliantly structured scheduled racing system and he has built his channel around it, and I hope it continues to grow because it is fun to watch. IRacing, for me, is not fun to drive and experience though and that’s before you even factor the cost of it in. At least what he and most of the other commentators are saying here though is fair and measured and not deliberately flaming anything that isn’t their favourite.
Thanks William buddy - it’s an entirely fair point and I appreciate the thoughtful way you articulate it. I do have quite a few R3E and AMS 2 folk who watch the channel regularly (at least that content always does well, often better than iRacing!!) and as you say I think those who voted and commented almost all did so in the right spirit. But I expected iRacing to be popular as inevitably I’m mainly polling my existing audience.
Good video. Started sim racing back in mid-2021 and I’ve tried all on this list bar iRacing (put off by price) and I’ve come to realise that no one sim is perfect - each has its pluses and minuses. My main ones are ACC, AMS2 - both so easy to use and look great, ACC feels so good to drive (and a GT3/GTWCE fanboy so…); AMS2 improving physics wise but I think it could do with more depth in car classes (specifically for endurance multiclass). That said, AI could be improved in both but it doesn’t stop me enjoying both titles a lot. RaceRoom, I really love the feel (up there with ACC for me) and variety of cars/tracks, AI good to race against - but I do wish had day/night… AC, great driving experience but could do with timed races and rolling starts (AI can be good at times, depends on cars/track)… but one I’m tempted to give up on is rFactor2, it’s so frustratingly fiddly to get pedals and wheel setup (seem to spend more time doing this…) and setting up a race is fiddly… then you get the at-times crazy AI… anyway, I drive each title for different things
rf2 could have been so much more although perfect for league racing, the physics model i prefer over iRacing but the ease of races makes iRacing my go to. I hope iRacing continue to add uk car series and tracks alike btcc, ginetta's, caterhams, croft, rockingham, thruxton etc. The pricing model needs attention in iRacing and rF2. Lets hope BTCC 2024 is done well and scores them enough mulla to rival iRacings platform with something in the future.
Being a rather recent discoverer of sim racing, I'm surprised how bad basically all sims are in terms of actually being a decent computer game. Would probably give none of them more than three stars. Only candidate for a higher rating is ACC, but it is helped massively by having such a narrow focus.
Also giggled a bit at how the 4.5 star top rated sim made its appearance in the video with a shot that makes it look by far the worst out of all sims presented here. 😄 Onboard graphics aren't as bad as that TV cam view, but I still find that the only major plus about Iracing is the amount of players and solid online infrastructure. Once you hop into the actual game, it's a bit underwhelming in all possible ways for being the #1 ranked sim (both here and other places).
fully agree with simracing titles being horrible games, probably a result of the developers effectively being indie studios with limited resources and spending a ton of time on the car physics and tracks
Sim racing titles are popular by how realistic the physics and tire model is making for a compelling/realistic driving experience. This is the most important aspect, not by its fancy graphics all though its a bonus if they do look good. then paired with a good setup like a nice sim rig its impossible to go back to titles like forza or gran turismo. then the multiplayer aspect is just as important with a good UI and ranking system that you can built a racing license online. These are the key aspects people voted on.
@christiangrtte7474, yes, racing sims are basically sandboxes rather than videogames
Great video Ben. It is always interesting to see what a community thinks about their favourite/least favourite titles, as its interesting to me why people within the community have differing opinions. Before anyone now jumps down my back I love seeing people have different opinions, it shows we are all nicely different as human being's and makes the world all that more exciting. My go-to sims are iRacing (MP is unmatched, plus does Oval racing brilliantly), Raceroom (love me some TCR/WTCC cars) and AMS2 (does vintage excellently, and has tracks that are not available elsewhere). Do iRacing and Raceroom look their age, absolutely, but for me its not about pretty visuals, its about having fun.
Ha great stuff Brian - we share a top three I think!
Out of curiosity, what tracks does ams2 have that the other ones does not?
@@Dowmiir It has a lot of historical versions of modern tracks like Spa, Monza, Hockenheim etc. but also has a lot of tracks used in National level championships in South America, and in particular Brazil, which I think are tracks that are well worth checking out.
This is an outrage! My sim should be number one! 😉 Great video Ben! I’m one of those single game sim racers, briefly touched others, iRacing just fits perfectly into my ‘never quite know what’s happening’ family life. Easy to find an online race and usually whatever time of day.
Haha that could have been the title for this video! 😅
Nice video Ben. Very informative!
Thanks Bill! Separately I dropped you a note on discord with a link to your livery!
@@Ben_LaBroca Thank you buddy!
Another excellect video Ben, For me Ams2 under v1.5 soon will raise to 4 and 5 with a ranking system, Raceroon 4 AC 3 1/2 iRacing 4 and ACC 4.. each sim specializes in their own ways
There is actually an LFM style ranked system that someone made very recently for AMS2, I don't remember the name but I have has some people say it is pretty good
@@phenic5761 Racecraftonline I think its what its called if thats what your talking about.. yeah its pretty good just tried it yesterday : ) thx man
I just started back up in sim racing a couple months ago. RF2 was on sale so I went with that. Certainly confusing, a little low on features, but I can't imagine my driving would progress any faster than it has If I was on any other sim. The Skip Barber regional is as rewarding as it is unforgiving.
Very good video and inclusion of the community! iRacing would be tops for me, mostly cause I love dirt oval racing and there's literal zero competition out there for it... if you have time to make most of your subscription, it's easy to justify the cost in my books. AMS2 is my go to single player sim due to variety of content (without modding needed), I love the custom championship creator, but will agree AI still needs further balancing, and would love to see it find growth in MP player numbers. ACC I won't judge cause I simply don't like GT racing, but I do think it feels miles better than AC (something I've never been able to get back in to after getting a DD 5 years ago, it just doesn't feel right no matter the settings I try). rF2 still waiting for that single player mode, won't buy anything until then. Raceroom just has never clicked for me for whatever reason (though 90's DTM and WTCC/WTCR stuff is nice), I also dislike their pricing model (not expensive, just they hide the best value options)
Hmm, personally from what I've played in last couple of months, I still prefer Raceroom's FFB and physics, especially when it comes to vintage cars :) which I will always put way above shiny graphics (not that I would mind having one in R3E :) perphaps R3E and AMS2 should have a baby - sounds, physics, FFB etc. from R3E, & graphics from AMS2 :) )
Never tried iRacing, but I think lot of people playing it suffer from the "I'm paying for it so much, therefore it must be good" syndrome :)
And you've forgotten GT and Forza ;)
The phrase “don’t knock it until you’ve tried it” comes to mind…it is expensive no arguments there, but don’t mind the naysayers: everyone knows the MP experience is unmatched, but also the driving experience is one of the best in simracing. It may not feel as great as some sims on cheaper wheels (other sims use lots of fake ffb effects that feel more exciting), but I’d argue iRacing with a DD wheel has some of the best FFB on the market (and the feel in the brakes on most cars is near perfect). iRacing post-COVID is much much better than it was in the past.
@@johndough247 My biggest gripe with iRacing is the amount of little softwares I have to install in order to have the game functioning properly: crew chief, irffb, trading paints, just to name a few. It's a pain to have all of that set up. The racing quality and MP aspect is the one I really appreciate and it's a shame that R3E isn't as big with that, because I think the racing is equally good
Thanks!
I love AC & AMS2 for hotlapping old cars, iracing for online gameplay and whenever i want to drive the old DTM cars, i start raceroom. ACC is also very nice, but i personally don't like the UE, since it always looks blury and the performance is also kinda bad for how it looks.
Great video. Interesting to see those results. I wish Raceroom had people in the servers. Whenever I have gone to try a Rookie race, all servers have been empty :( Is it time to take the plunge with iRacing ???$$$
IRacing, AC, ACC perfect top 3. I also enjoy the F1 games even though they are simcades.
When we get rain (if it works well) in iRacing, there's no doubt about what sim is the clear #1.
iRacing's handling is not the best, but it's damn good. And the multiplayer is just unbeaten
It's been a few months since I actually put some serious hours into one of those sims. The reason is simple - aside from driving experience, they don't really offer much. Every time I get into one of them to fool around or have a few races, I soon leave with the thought "how cool it would be if there was a good, engaging racing game with that kind of handling and physics". Each of the bona fide simracing titles would've got 3 stars tops from me.
And then I get back to my current fix - F1 2020. The handling, while not as intricate as in AMS2 or Raceroom, is fun, engaging and mostly realistic, which is just enough. And whatever shortcomings it has in that department, it makes up in the rest of the experience, a full package that robustly recreates the reality of Formula 1 racing, with ten different teams (and possibility to create your own), each with their own car performance, each developing their car through seasons, with drivers who perform differently, with dynamic weather, with rulesets like tyre allocation, compound use requirements, quali formats, parc ferme rule, strategies, practice programs that contribute to development, safety car, and so on, all put into seasonal gameplay loop with technical regulation changes that puts you against organically emerging challenges.
It actually places you in a complex competitive environment instead of just giving you a bunch of cars and tracks to play around with, and I think it goes wildly underappreciated in the simracing community. It's a solid 4-4,5 star simracing game in my book, with potential for 5 stars if it gets the same level of physics that hardcore sims have. And so would a game with similiar approach for WEC, IndyCar, or formula feeder series. People downplay that set of features, saying it's just "presentation" that F1 games do better, while in fact it's something that every sim dev should look at and take notes of, to create a better, more engaging product.
In fact, the reason for iRacing's success is exactly that it creates such competitive environment, just like F1 games do, but for multiplayer. People turn a blind eye on iRacing's issues, like sketchy tyre model, lack of rain or problematic netcode, because they appreciate the experience that iRacing offers as a competitive online game. Racing is sport, it's a competition, a game, really. Cars are just toys that you play with, but you'll eventually get bored even with the best toys if you don't have anything engaging to do with them. And that's what simracing genre mostly offers at this point - top notch toys with nothing to do with them.
rFactor 1 to me is the best, best mods, best engine sounds, best handling and FFB. Classic F1 mods are more than awesome
We sim racers massively underestimate the development time, infrastructure and outright exspense of running online servers to provide ranked multiplayer.
This is an excellent point! Cheers Martin!
@@Ben_LaBroca love the videos Ben, top work.
I own all bur rf2 and iracing. For me the "looks most amazing and feels like real ” (in high end PC with ReverbG2 goggles) is provided by AC. Graphics wise (with Weather FX and Pure) it blows the much newer AMS2, which is my nr2 choice, out of the water
The problem with iRacing is not just the price, but the fact the model is exploitative. Buying tracks and cars is fine, subscription is fine, but when you mix the two, you have a problem. It basically generates FOMO in two directions: you have a subscription so you should buy cars and tracks to make full use of it; you bought cars and tracks so you should maintain your subscription or that money is wasted.
It actually goes beyond some of the worst trends in the gaming industry, where not buying the next Battlepass does not somehow lock you out of your previously purchased content.
It does have one positive effect: online players are going to be a lot more careful, as getting restricted in terms of access really hurts when you’re paying monthly. And of course only the highly motivated will make the required expense. But that just turns the whole thing into an elitist hellhole, and I think that’s bad for sim racers: it makes it extremely difficult for newcoming sims to produce quality online racing, even when they’re better or offer more features otherwise (i mean it’s 2023, and iRacing MIGHT get rain at some point. How do we accept this?).
The whole thing is very unhealthy.
It's hardly surprising that a poll made by a content creator who's main sim is iracing have a result where iracing tops the list
Yeah but what genuinely tops iracing in 2023?
@@thechode7394 Depends on your priority. If your main priority is online multiplayer then iRacing is no.1. If you are into Ovals iRacing is no.1. For everything else, its mid table.
Yeah but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong. The most important thing about sim racing is competitive online racing, and none does it better than iRacing.
@@MegaIronica No, the most important thing *to you* is competitive online racing. Plenty of people out there prioritise different things. I like , and do , online racing as well, but it isn't all I'm interested in. And the shortcomings of iRacing have made look elsewhere this year.
@Mike Croshaw well of course it is for me. This is how opinions work, lol. It is also the most important thing to MOST people since iRacing has by far the biggest numbers of players. It is called sim RACING for a reason. If the most important thing to you is hotlapping or having a casual drive, then fine. But the reality is people want to race with people on a similar level as them. Otherwise, the racing is just pointless if the other person is way faster or way slower. Yes, iRacing has its shortcomings, but it is far from being totally bad or even the worst out there. My favorite physics are on rFactor 2, and I am always looking for races on LFM, but the reality is that they don't have enough, at least not in my time zone. iRacing is much more reliable in that aspect.
I prioritize in this order car feel/ffb, ease of use, AI, graphics, online systems and # of online players last. This almost flips your ranking of Sims.
I play ACC on ps5 with Fanatec setup - really enjoying it👍👍
My goto Sim is iRacing. Yes it can be quite expensive and Yes the FFB and graphics are outdated but with recent improvements imo its the best sim out there. 4.5/5 stars for iRacing
I think that ACC needs to up the quality on VR. I used to love ACC before I moved to VR but now because VR is all I can use it seems a bit pointless to keep it installed.
Yeah I heard the 1.8 update helped a bit but clearly it’s still far from what other sims can offer. A shame!
Iracing for me, then acc and R3E. Can't argue with what everyone said, they're spot on
AMS 2 is shinning at the moment, I can afford the DLC's and you get your moneys worth, I can't afford any other DLC's on other sim racing titles, But at the moment AMS 2 is the best sim racing title since the v1.5 update is doing wonders for AMS 2, I think Reiza have done a fantastic job creating AMS 2....
AMS-2 on 1.5 Patch is Awesome Bang for your Buck
Assetto Corsa is the only game that has much of a community around Japanese car culture and drifting which puts it at the top stop imo. So many mods and so many things to try. Including the wacky stuff
What about gran trursmo 7? It’s suppose to have tire model, breaking and aero model as advanced more advanced than iracing so is a fully fledged sim.
I want to try iRacing but the price barrier is too much. I wish they had a demo.
I thought you could try for free? Maybe I'm wrong. In that case those playing it would of course rate it highly! And those not playing it probably didn't vote!
Yeah your best bet is a one off monthly sub for base game content and run in the rookies / D class without buying anything else. The downside of buying only a short sub is you’ll either need to start a new account or pay full price for extending the subscription if you like it and want to continue playing.
@@MrTone71 Promos are out there, but free is rare (usually bundles with hardware purchases), and the $5 for 3 month offer has been gone for a while now (was a great option to try)
I find it so fascinating that people always talk about their struggles with RF2. I’ve owned the game since ISI first released the beta back in 2012 and never had any issues, relative to any other sim, because at the end of the day they’re all finicky. Maybe it’s just because I’m a computer nerd, but I always found RF2 incredibly simple to navigate and set up, ugly for sure, especially in its original form, but not difficult, plus, as someone who likes to drive fast irl, the overall driving experience is worth it because it’s miles ahead of any other sim out there, lacking everywhere else, but that’s ok.
Rfactor 2 is the perfect sim when you just want to relax, run some laps, and get a rhythm going, you don’t need to compete, you just wanna drive something fast.
Yeah i agree its the most realistic by 1000000 miles but the ai dont do it for me theyre awful
I wonder will a 7th contender be up there next year... Rennsport can't be far away.
Got my closed beta key. It's ok, but I'm not a GT racing fan, so it's kind of a waste for me to have in the current state.
people on every sim: GRAPHICS ARE DATED
lmao.
What's better games for Middle PC offline play?( E3 1270v3+ RTX2060 8gb+16gb ddr3+ Thrustmaster T300) 1.Touring-Assetto corsa/ competizione - R factor 2,-Automobilista 2
2.Rally-Dirt 2.0 WRC, 3.Formula 1 2018-22
4.NASCAR-?
I find it interesting to see that none of those sims got a majority 5 Star rating. What would it take for a sim to get a 5 star rating from us sim racers?
If you take all the best parts from each sim you might get close to a 5 star but the other big factor is pure driving feel. Now that we have high quality direct drive wheels its possible to feel the nuance of the force feedback so all sims still have room for improvement, some are closer than others like Assetto corsa and rFactor2. This keeps them in contention even though they lack in Ranked online racing like iRacing and RaceRoom.
I think Christian nails part of it at least below - all of them have big draw backs on the user experience / gaming experience. I think if that was cracked alongside the best physics etc then there’d be a 5* experience there.
i tried iracing a lot but unfortunately for me it's more iceracing than anything else. i stick to acc, ams2 or raceroom.
Have all of them and had to spend huge amount of money, unfortunely besides than ACC rest of is junk for the online part ( except i - racing, unless you wanna break the wallet, but it is still can be owerwhelming while you r waiting for the races,tracks and proper class combinations for days to find em avaible.. etc.)
but honestly , R factor 2 with ACC plug and play compatibility and online support, can crash all em all, any time in the day i can find the track that i want to race in with proper ping in ACC,that's a huge plus and gives opportunity to learn race dicipline and opportunity for how to become more competative to avarage sim racing users (don't coun't the sour kids which comes from mario kart :)) Long story short, if they can manage to fix online part in RF2, it can be one of the best in the market with no suprise..
Great video
And thanks for featuring my stupid comments! Twice even!
Ah thanks man! And thanks for engaging on the polls themselves 😅
personally i like racerooms graphics
rFactor 2 is by far the BEST of the lot. It's the only one built to be a real simulator. The physics are unmatched and the ffb is by far the best out of ALL of them. Heck event real race teams use the older rFactor pro engine to still test their cars.
raceroom with some more players and just a bit smoother would be my top pick but I'm struggling to get a well populated race most days acc is good missing some stuff that annoying rf2 dose my head in
iracing is a joke you need to spend £200-£2000 to do full seasons that is then locked behind a paywall of £12 a mouth you cant even hotlap your expensive content on single player because iracing is to fucking greedy to even let you log in to your own account unless you pay the ransom plus iracing could just double the mouthy fee after you put £1000 in nothing you could do about it
My favorite genre nowadays, but can't give more than three stars to any of these when think about it as games. They all fail to deliver a complete experience and are overpriced in many levels. Also, ALL off these sims needed some years after released to leave the beta test state... rF2 took six or eight full years to get there, the others less. I know that this video is about analyzing the current state of these games, but yet I can't forget the long road to get here. "No matter where you go, there you are" lol
The fact of having the best competitive system has more specific weight that all other characteristics.
Otherwise, iracing would never had the highest score being that expensive, having such a shitty FFB and a disatrous tire model.
For me iracing is banned until they don't have a proper physics.
If I pay for a premium.. every single aspect must be like.
If other sims dont get on top of their online system i really don't see the point of them at all. AC is fun to mess around with vintage stuff and iRacing is the only choice if you actually want to race online, sure there's LFM but thats GT3 only and the server infrastructure is lacking. Seems like such a simple system to just straight up copy, even if you only start with 1 series have something that starts every hour or what's the point?
Would like to get into iracing but as its just a bit of fun for me i can't justify the cost, also it makes no sense to me why you penalised when involved in a crash or contact if its not your fault watched so many videos where people do stupid dive bombs or just smashing to the back of you and your penalised
Imagine Rfactor 2 with ACC UI and easy setup..
rF2 is the only video game I know of that needs you to downgrade GPU driver for it to not crash. Best FFB Worst Game.
iRacing rated the highest on channel that mostly cover iRacing - surprised_pikachu_face 🤣
people are so biased it's insane, how this game can be rated so high when that shitty netcode ruins every wheel to wheel fight
Haha yes there is that - not a scientific poll. But then again ACC and AC do very well and I barely feature them.
I have personally only encounter netcode once within 3 months. Whilst i may see it every other race with others, the problem is iracing don't have regions therefor when two connections that don't communicate well due to high pings to each other, you get that in rf2 if you are in a pvt league with the wrong countries racing each other.
@@whitedragonracing I've never witnessed iracing type of netcode in RF2. I drive in private league and LFM.
iracing? this is some advertising? lol. asc forever!
rF2 ⭐⭐⭐ (great FFB, awful UX/UI)
RRRE ⭐⭐ (lack of content and non-existent player base)
AMS2 ⭐⭐⭐⭐ (great graphics, UX/UI and content, but oversimplified physics and high DLCs cost)
ACC ⭐⭐⭐⭐ (great graphics, strong community, but lack of content and high DLCs cost)
AC ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ (best physics, graphics and content variety, great FFB, strong community, donwside is an online UX)
iRacing ⭐⭐⭐ (massive player base, solid physics, cost is too high to start with)
I Never Found rfactor 2 difficult to set up. People are just stupid
F1 23 5 out of 5
Haha I’m resisting the temptation to buy this year I think….
How far off are titles like f1 23 from these true sim titles? (In terms of realism, fun etc)