HOW TO: Nürburgring Nordschleife public sessions on YOUR motorcycle!

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  • @Mirage8v
    @Mirage8v 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I'm not a biker, nor any ambition for it. Just enjoy your videos :)

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I appreciate that!

    • @jj996
      @jj996 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Brings back memories of chasing you around in my 911 turbo, will have to get out there again and blow the cobwebs off. Great video Dale 👌

  • @crozatier333
    @crozatier333 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That’s a very smart idea for a video Dale. Hope you’ve got it well tagged - massive market for this info. Great work. Oh, and thanks to you I just bought a Tuareg. What a bike. I call it my joy machine. Finally, I also own a Panda 100hp so was very proud to see one of the little tykes mugging an M3 👌. Recently took ours round Donington - she was in her element. What a car.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks 👍All the tags, all the time

  • @stephanematis
    @stephanematis 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So kind of you to share this, the Green Hell is on my bucket list as car driver. This was very useful knowledge, much like in my younger days "driving" the ring in race sims, but with "where the heck you get the ticket" and other real world details. Now perhaps I have to try a bike as well during the theoretical vacation.
    I always remind myself of Lauda's crash, one must remain sensible.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you're on vacation, you'll be best just renting a car. Nobody allows their rental bikes on the Nordschleife, not that I know of.

  • @mdragon99
    @mdragon99 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Most enjoyable Nurburgring video I've seen in a long while! It was fun having you talk us through using mirros, and the corners etc. I'm amazed at that Aprilia, I've been thinking of downsizing and this was a perfect. It scoots along nicely, wow!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it! It's a great bike, it can do anything, it seems

  • @Sauron-the-great
    @Sauron-the-great 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Going to the nbr ns tomorrow with my 1150gs. Ive probably done about 75 laps on videogames… but really glad I watched this video beforehand! That was an awesome wheelie btw.

  • @Betzrider77
    @Betzrider77 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice..I was there 2018 I think to participate "Rad am Ring" 24h event. I could even say when in your video I get my first cramps in the legs :) maybe it's time to go there again with the 750 hornet :D

  • @MKnife
    @MKnife 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I did some laps of the 'Ring back in April 2010. I was on a long 7800 km tour across Europe from Finland to Spain and back and found myself there a bit unexpectedly as I hadn't planned a visit. The ticket buying was a bit different, but access to the track and the general rules of behavior was the same. My fully laden Hayabusa with touring tires and rear box and me in flappy textiles (with full protectors) wasn't maybe the optimal combo, but the experience still was the best thing I've ever done with clothes on. In one long and fast downhill most sounds disappeared as I had lost altitude in such a short time that my ears kind of locked. First I didn't know what happened but on the following laps it happened again and then I figured it out (I have slightly troublesome ears). No amount of trying to learn even the most famous parts of the track on a console or game can simulate that🙂. I also learned that while I could accelerate out of a corner as fast as a lambo, the same car came into the corner at least three times as fast as me, so I kept to the right and held a constant eye on the mirrors as well. Thanks for bringing back memories, great video!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha, yep, sounds like the Nordschleife to me. Some weeks I'd be driving over 100 laps a week, and my ears would pop every SINGLE LAP. Still love it though.

  • @Szlejer
    @Szlejer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent stuff, showing the ring in a far more practical and accessible manner than thousands of other vids, without any BS. Thank!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad to help! Thanks for the positive comment

  • @renevanderkraats3811
    @renevanderkraats3811 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice! I once did a lap with girlfriend and kids in my 85hp Alfa Romeo. Track had been closed for hours, so my first lap ever was brimming with supercars eager to get on after a few hours delay. Got overtaken every 5 seconds, my right indicator was on full-time, after 5 minutes I started to smell my brakes. Saying it was intense was an understatement. But it was cool! I don't think I'll try it on my bike however. Too many cars that don't seem to get a motorcycle takes very different lines, oil spills, etc. I'm not gonna risk my bike there. But it's absolutely an experience to lap the track if you can! Nice of you to point out a few details I wasn't aware of last time :-)

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! :)

  • @AdvBrewery
    @AdvBrewery 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fellow Tuareg Treader here, fantastic video, thanks for sharing! Subb'd.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, and thanks for the sub too! 😄

  • @vincents8165
    @vincents8165 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks very much for that. I guess you'll need an update now that they have changed the entrance layout! I preferred the old way

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, they're buggers, I think they waited for me to make this video before they changed it again! ;)

  • @borilapostolov7474
    @borilapostolov7474 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    WOW it is so nice being a tourist at 150 km/ h.. Thank you for riding me in on the aprilia. I have a vstrom 650 which if I have the chance to bring will try on track for sure. Stay safe love your vids

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you too for the comment!

  • @arnebzumt4492
    @arnebzumt4492 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    While watching the video my head played the "smooth operator" song 😂 Love the mc content, cheers Dale

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe I should do another short!

  • @si1208
    @si1208 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good job, Dale. I've been amazed at the number of people (bikes and cars) that arrive for their first lap of the 'Ring without the first clue of the laws, rules and driving etiquette for touristenfahrten. I did my first laps in the quiet days before Top Gear, and even then it was a pretty formidable experience for a newbie. Since Top Gear it has became more and more chaotic. That was ok to a point, as I was gaining in experience and pace, so it felt less dangerous, but the idea of starting from zero in today's conditions is really scary. That could have something to do with my advancing years, of course!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A lot has changed, but a lot stays the same!

  • @turboman6680
    @turboman6680 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the best newbie guides for sure. Foxhole kerbs are..... interesting 😂
    My main takeaway is....I don't hear air box honk?! Wtf?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha so I had to run a voice isolation on my helmet mic, because I was getting wind in there, which also removed the honk. 😭

  • @Mark_Meisho_Thompson
    @Mark_Meisho_Thompson 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video Dale, Makes it appear approachable on a bike but your definitely right about chaos on a weekend now.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, it was only the second evening session of 2024, so it looks pretty chill. maybe I should do it again in Summer 🤣

  • @mrflores7708
    @mrflores7708 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the best, if not the best, video on how to ride the ring. Didn't know about the pull off at the beginning of the track. I guess the petrol is expensive there?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like 30% more than anywhere else 🤣🫡

  • @KrazyKanucker
    @KrazyKanucker 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That pit lane reminds me of a big league race in Assetto Corsa. Eiran Parsons, one of the best, spun his car and got stuck in that narrow lane.
    Nagptv 1967 Ferrari

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Brilliant

  • @canberkehorozal
    @canberkehorozal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoyed a lot thanks! Its super cool to see a Tuareg in Nurburgring.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! More soon!

  • @TheKvistmartin
    @TheKvistmartin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video, it makes me think I can take a lap on my bike, I’ve ever only done it in my cars as I was to scared to take the motorcycle.
    Subscribed for more of your content 😊

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the sub!

  • @nickrider5220
    @nickrider5220 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very enjoyable and informative Dale 👍🏻 It must take many laps to be fast and safe, so much to learn.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it! I always say it takes 50 laps to feel comfortable, 100 to learn it, then another 1000 to understand how little you know!

  • @DarksideGT7
    @DarksideGT7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, mate. Done a few laps in the car but not got over there on the bike........yet!!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's worth it, but best done on a quiet mid-week evening

  • @hermanhandlebars2687
    @hermanhandlebars2687 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive never been, heard some stories.. but your video has explained a lot of things i was wondering about. Thank you 👍 great video and well explained. Cheers

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad I could help!

  • @J.J1971
    @J.J1971 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How useful and interesting, thank you

  • @robinv2758
    @robinv2758 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing video, really shows everything properly. Also that Triumph is very familiar, see Paul/Rideezy a lot in compilations and boy can he RIDE

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cool, thanks! Yep, he treats the Nordschleife like a trackday. I was the same about 20 years ago! ;)

    • @robinv2758
      @robinv2758 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmoto I can definitely tell you've got a lot of experience on there as well, both from the way you talk and your videos on there. Props to you both, I can't imagine it to be easy but I'll try it eventually

  • @Benjamin-su6fc
    @Benjamin-su6fc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have fun mate

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Always do!

  • @VinceFlaherty88
    @VinceFlaherty88 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing again. I can’t wait to go myself!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, and if you do, let us know how it went!

  • @mattmutane5502
    @mattmutane5502 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great vid Dale. The best (definitely) "how to" Nordschleife video out there (possibly the only, but doesn't detract from the point! ;) :) :D ). I guess there are a lot more things you need to know about Touristenfahrt before going on the first time than we remember, because many of us, our first time is shrouded back in the long far distant past, so you listing them all out was a great idea!! ;) (plus they have changed a lot of things over time). Nice to see on a moving video, the new Fuchsröhre resufacing - looks lush! :D (in a car, could you still take the left curb on the uphill left kink, before Adenau Forst starts proper?)

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As a car racer too, I can confirm that kerb on the left has COMPLETELY changed the line for most racers. It's super dangerous now.

    • @mattmutane5502
      @mattmutane5502 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmoto Thanks! So you're saying the new (top left) curb is now to be avoided in all vehicles and is not flat like it used to be? Cheers :)

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mattmutane5502 100% yes

    • @mattmutane5502
      @mattmutane5502 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmoto Thanks. Noted! :)

  • @DaveCBR600F
    @DaveCBR600F 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant video and some great insight into what to do and look out for 👍

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it, hopefully it's helpful for people

  • @grahamholderness6558
    @grahamholderness6558 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great vid Dale. Been to the N24 twice , would love to have a ride round. Your advice really helps👌

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! 😊

  • @esdrubaldino
    @esdrubaldino 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really good video on how to ride there, just what I was looking for!
    Thank you for making these!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad you like them!

  • @mech770
    @mech770 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video mate, I’m coming on my RC8 later this year, first time on a bike so this is mega useful!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad I could help!

  • @CampbellZeroOne
    @CampbellZeroOne 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mega handy video that Dale. Thanks for putting it together!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @michaellee5730
    @michaellee5730 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cracking vid for a newb Dale

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! Hopefully some people find it useful!

  • @achraf9946
    @achraf9946 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great Video learned stuff for sure!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @alexbusteni
    @alexbusteni 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you think the gsxs1000 gx could handle here? Awesome video🙏

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it would be like a duck on water. Really natural

  • @chrissunde1104
    @chrissunde1104 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great channel.😊

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you!

  • @sanderverheul8889
    @sanderverheul8889 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    looks like they fixed the parking in front of the ticketboot! It used to be one big mudpool when somewhat wet

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They're still working on it, I guess it will be ready for Easter.

  • @ScORTED
    @ScORTED 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, shame about the audio problem. Is 188kmh vmax on the tuareg 😱

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It is up that hill, can do 204 on the flat

  • @mikefordham6546
    @mikefordham6546 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent thank you

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are very welcome 🤗

  • @ridervfr2798
    @ridervfr2798 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video, been there a bunch of times in rental cars from Dusseldorf, do you think if I told them I planned to go to the track would they void me?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha! For sure, and don't forget the photographers lining the track. And premium models also have trackers fitted...

    • @ridervfr2798
      @ridervfr2798 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmoto i dont want to rent a dedicated racer because they cost a fortune for a few laps. I dtive up in the rental during the week, and use it 5-7 and sleep over. Drive back the next day. Any thoughts or guidence? Have about 40 laps over the years, no close calls except in the rain.

  • @TimZ750
    @TimZ750 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Dale, great vid, do you rate the mirrors? Are they the medium length extension?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I actually couldn't tell you. They looked about 'right' and I bought them from Aliexpress(!)

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      (and they work better than stock)

  • @josipprgomet994
    @josipprgomet994 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it looks like handlebar is bent to the right .. as left handle is much more forward?

  • @seumasmorrison7224
    @seumasmorrison7224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Planning a trip but my Yamaha R7 doesn't have a baffle in the Akrapovic exhaust. Will this prevent me from entering onto the ring with my bike? I assume it is louder than ~ 100db noise limit.. any help appreciated 🙏

  • @CunningStuntsGoFast
    @CunningStuntsGoFast 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    was that the rev limiter in foxhole ? also , dont forget when you see yellow do not forget to scan the tarmac for fluids as that yellow might be an accident because of oil

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, just me backing off. Good point, re: fluids, I should cover that again some time soon

  • @ALHEALY9110
    @ALHEALY9110 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too cool! 😎

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!

  • @BikeThrottleOfficial
    @BikeThrottleOfficial 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:30 - RideEzy itching to get out as always

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ALWAYS

  • @Wojtekpl2
    @Wojtekpl2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd be scared to go full throttle on my 20HP Royal Enfield. Although after getting some experience with the track, I could go ALL the track with full throttle having speed limiter at 120km/h :)

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The circuit organisers do stipulate a minimum speed of 130kmh for any vehicle that enters the track, not sure where a 350 Royal Enfield lands on that rule... I guess they'd probably allow it tho!

    • @Wojtekpl2
      @Wojtekpl2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmotoAh. So no track day for me. Oh well. I can live with it. :)

  • @83danrock
    @83danrock หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you know where the photographer spots are? Can you pre-order pics so you get better quality ones rather than the usual ones?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They choose where to go, pre-ordering is not really a thing, but you can reach out via social media if one of them is particularly to your preference

    • @83danrock
      @83danrock หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmotothanks for the reply. Great videos I’m literally watching them on repeat as planning a visit next year. It’s a bucket list thing for me so want to make sure I get some decent pics for a keepsake. Would 1 or 2 laps be enough do you think to get a few snaps?

  • @achraf9946
    @achraf9946 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Paul Bike isn't road legal in germany due to the mirrors are to close together like I know they need to be at least 28cm outside from the center of the Bike.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Harsh, but true.

  • @flintstoneengineering
    @flintstoneengineering 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice!

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!

  • @fidgetromper8158
    @fidgetromper8158 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you wear jeans and a leather vest? I am looking to take my motorcycle a few times but do not own full leathers.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vest is a hard no. Also if you mean 'normal' denim jeans, definitely not.

  • @Officialnrb
    @Officialnrb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Access is so different to when I went.

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you talking about the new entrance (post-1999)?

    • @Officialnrb
      @Officialnrb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmoto I don’t know when it changed to be honest. 93 was the last time I went when the lap started next to gp circuit.

  • @PatchedBandit
    @PatchedBandit 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Recording sound at 140kmh is crazy hard so don't feel bad 😅 Have you noticed does the Tuareg control wheelies in any of the TC settings?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It does slow them down a bit depending on where you put the ATC value. I have it on 1 and it wheelies OK, and just near the balance point it will retard. You can see it in this video

    • @PatchedBandit
      @PatchedBandit 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmotothanks! I will get mine soon so I can start testing. Was just curious as Im having to wait for the weather to improve a bit 😅
      Greetings from Finland

  • @joshtacker9531
    @joshtacker9531 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What in the world is a motorcycle car park?

  • @chr11sf
    @chr11sf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Danke!

  • @grenphelps7455
    @grenphelps7455 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know that this video is about the track, but I've got a question about the mirrors on your bike, are they any good...?? I've just bought a pair for my Honda crf250l..

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep, they're the Chinese copies of the Double-Takes, but they work OK. I think the originals will be better quality, but these were €25 and work fine.

    • @grenphelps7455
      @grenphelps7455 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@btgmoto thanks, great lap 👍 I had a test ride on a Tuareg last Saturday, interesting bike 👍🤔

  • @busyguy925
    @busyguy925 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    14:55 because he left foot braked into that corner he has no clue? what's wrong with getting a little weight transfer up front before you dive in

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bwahaha comment of the day. I drive racecars for a living. He ain't weight transferring, he dabbing at the safety pedal. 🫡

  • @hypermotardking
    @hypermotardking 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so chin camera filming is allowed on helmets for bikes?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Almost certainly not. Insta mini cam on standby

  • @dwk2618
    @dwk2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    для тех кто только готовится стать мотоциклистом, обратите внимание на руль в повороте. левый поворт- руль вправо стоит, правый поворот-руль соответственно влево повернут. здесь наглядный пример контрруления. просто теоретически это не логично, а практически только так мотоцикл и поворачивает на скорости.

  • @andydutton1566
    @andydutton1566 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Slightly off topic question, how do you find that Halo Jacket?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Love it to bits. Great in Summer, and I even used it all winter by wearing a proper base layer (Brynje of Norway!) and using the supplied waterproof over-jacket as a windbreaker. Last year we did Slovenia to Nurburgring in one day, via snow, ice and nearly 40-celsius! Was a crazy long day, but the jacket did it all.

    • @andydutton1566
      @andydutton1566 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@btgmoto Cheers Dale. Seriously fancy one for touring on my MT10, you got the matching pants too?

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@andydutton1566Not yet! I have a saved search on eBay, so maybe soon. And yes, this jacket was actually second-hand too... :o

  • @realtime123
    @realtime123 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    iimagine being overtaken by a fiat panda lol

    • @btgmoto
      @btgmoto  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If it hurt for me, on my knobbies, on a 660cc trailie, imagine being the M2 driver 🤣 but that's the Nürburgring. Knowledge is greater than power

    • @mattmutane5502
      @mattmutane5502 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@btgmoto Super! I LOVE that about the place... I once overtook a Ferrari 355 at Flugplatz in my Mk2 Golf, and a Subaru Impreza and EVO6 in the wet, on the same lap, in a Megane 1.6 hire car :D :D I also got roasted on my first trip in an Audi TT (hire car) by a local in some shitty Opel Belmont Estate on it's door handles.. (or similar....) ;) :) :D :D - THAT inspired me to learn the track!!! :D :D