The dominant impression I get from this video, is that bikes and cars don't belong on the track at the same time. Their optimum lines are radically different. This is especially problematic given the number of drivers (and bikers) who seem to lack a basic understanding of the difference between a race and a casual track day, and of how and when to back off in order to respect other users.
Agreed. The bikes are faster at straights, the cars are faster at cornering, which means no matter who is in front or who is behind they will get stuck behind eachother and will be forced to annoyingly slow down
Steve. I've done a BTG in 8:25 in 1998 on a completely stock 98 Blade. About 3 or 4 years later, when an affordable 170mph Renault Megane could be acquired by an average car driver, it was a pivotal change in how dangerous the Ring has now become. Never again for me, unless we get 'bike only' days.
In a motorcycle track day : - they don't mix cars and motorcycles - there is multiple level group, so they don't mix experimented people with beginers - if someone has a dangerous behaviour, he will be excluded - it's forbidden to have a passenger This specific track don't seem to care about safety
Some cars do not know the difference between the Touristenfahrt and trackdays. To honk at others who are "not fast enough" or squeez into small gaps before the corner so your Laptime is better shouldn't be done on a Touristenfahrt and especially not with motorcyclists.
Yes and no...half these bikers have zero awareness of what's behind them. I mean the guys who are clearly slowing down the Lambo, the Arial atom, the 911 etc....what are they thinking? Have been round the ring in a car and on bike and honestly, looks like the bikes are at fault here. Also taking a pillion and almost getting wiped out? Just dumb. Really, zero sympathy..
@@Alex-dh1mq The responsibility of a safe pass is always on the man behind. It's irrelevant if they have a pretty car or not, in a Track you look forward and take your lines, the others behind you need to pass you in a safe way. No excuses. No sympathy for jerks endangering others.
@@dragonryucr2000 you mean like 3:43 ? Don't make excuses for people just cos they're on two wheels. There's some good riders here, and there are some clueless riders here who are a danger to themselves and others. Same goes for the car drivers.
@@Alex-dh1mq The responsibility of a safe pass relies on the man behind, the person needs to make a safe pass. Regarding if you think the Lambo and the Arial atom are pretty cars. Just because you like the Lambo doesn't mean that the person in front has to let them pass. Second and very importantly this track has Touristenfahrt and trackdays as Felix Vieh #65 mentioned. People can get in and drive or ride just by paying, it's basically an open track for everyone, people even lap with buses, campers and all sort of crazy shit. The majority of people are inexperienced drivers or that only want to have the experience of lapping a legendary track once in their lifetimes. Like all the guys in this video, including the guy in 3:43 and the Lambo and Ariel guys. There are a lot of noobs driving here all the time. The rule still remains, the person behind has to wait until they can make a safe pass, the person in front does not need to be paying attention the person behind, they need to focus on the track. If they want to go to the racing days, they need to take their racing license and go to a specific day. If you have a problem getting your head wrapped around this concept, which you clearly do, go to your local Track and take the safety course they offer for new riders/drivers, they'll be happy to have you, they always are. The only different thing about this track and regular tracks is that German transit rules still apply inside the track and you can even get a ticket.
@@dragonryucr2000 Honest question, and I'm not asking to be a smartass but have you ever ridden or driven around the ring on a touristenfahrten day? Like I've commented on another reply, the rule on this track is that if there is faster traffic around you, then you indicate and move over to the right and let the traffic pass. If you're not aware of that rule, you're a danger to all on the track. If you're not aware of what's in front and what's behind you, you're a danger to all on the track. Touristenfahrten is not a full on race, yes understood, and it's not intentionally for lap times, yet that is what everyone there is doing, and no one is naive to that fact. If you're there just for a sight seeing lap, then that's also fine but don't be a dick and hold up traffic just cos you're in your own world without a care for everyone else. Isn't it dangerous when you're driving on the motorway or highway and someone is there doing 20kph less than the speed limit causing a build up of frustrated drivers bumper to bumper? So then on a racetrack (regardless of touristenfahrten vs trackday... And yes I've done both), a track without speed limits and where people are paying 30eur per lap, and the rules state move to the right if faster traffic behind (just like on the road), you still want to defend the muppets riding around in their own world? Ok mate. Merry Xmas 👍🎅
It almost looked like it was intentional. Of course it wasn’t and it was his lack of skill and panick when he saw he won’t make the corner with that angle and speed
Maybe im kinda biased as adv rider myself(Tenere 700) but adv riders seem te be one of the few years round riders left. So many rider just stop riding as soon as October comes.
@@testplmnb There are a lot bigger, wider and longer race tracks in Europe, than Hockenheim, my friend. It shows that you´ve never been on any track obviously.
@@stevehislop hockenheim is 4,5 km and a pretty decent track to start with. Sachsenring is less than 4 km. Oschersleben is pretty much like Sachsenring. So I don't get why you've mentioned hockenheim when it comes to short racetracks?!
@@FreZzaaa Shall we now delve into the definition of what a short track is, compared with the Nürburgring?Answer: pretty much every track is. And anybody who has raced in Brno (15mtr wide and 5,4km long) before and then races in Hockenheim (8,5mtr wide) will agree, that it is tiny in comparison.There is a difference of 23 seconds between both tracks lap records, just to give you a hint. Oschersleben is only 3,7km , but has almost the identical track record (1:13min) as Hockenheim. Comparing tracks is difficult and anything you can lap in about a minute is a "short" track. My original point was, that it is a dumb idea to go to the Nürburgring to learn how to go fast, when there are so many easy and safe tracks in Europe to start with and where totalling your equipment isn´t so likely. Do you think my statement is wrong? If so, why?
The guy at 12.38 is an absolute tosspot. How can you even begin to try and lunge inside the corner like that??? The biker was taking a rather standard racing line and the driver gets mad after almost hitting him right there... It's not like the biker was doing something unpredictable. The Peugeot driver must've thought it was a Need For Speed or something...
2 problems with cars and bikes sharing the track: - Cars forced to slow down annoyingly at mid-corner or even corner entry. - Bikes forced exit corner later and wait to put power down in order to avoid cutting off the cars that initiated an overtake on the outside.
To be fair, if you are being forced to slow down annoyingly mid corner then you have demonstrated a total lack of anticipation going into that corner. Perhaps this is the problem with many of these situations.. too little forethought about the conditions ahead. Someone slow up ahead, yet unable to get by and your favourite corner is coming up... Then why hang on their heels getting frustrated? Hang back a bit allow some buffer space and take your corner at speed.. deal with overtaking the chap ahead later on at a safer spot.
For some reason the acoustics of where this camera is positioned seems to pick up the whirr and whine of the motorcycle engines perfectly. It's like I can hear all the subtleties, the air intake, the clacking of the valves and the chain...beautiful.
2:43 To the car drivers❗️ Don‘t overtake Motorcycles on the exit of the corner- we can not see you - when we are leaning our mirrors are useless… and some motorcycle drivers should more often look in the mirrors. We are not the fastest on the track compared to GT3RS with Slicks eg…
How about to the bikers, lose the ego, understand a 911 and an M3 that visit the ring are more than likely WAY faster than you mid corner. They also have the most easily recognisable front grills as well... If you see them coming at warp speed in your mirrors, just give way before leaning in instead of blocking their line? . After watching these clips, it's easy to see why a lot of drivers don't like us. There's one or two good riders. The rest are ridiculous who clearly don't know the basic rules and courtesy of that track.
@@Alex-dh1mq you’re actually braindead if you think your argument justifies what this bmw did. Through a busy part if the track. You WAIT for a clear time to over take not bully your way through. Don’t like those rules? Don’t go on the track simple as that.
@@Kilrathal yeah I get it, but the rules of that track are to signal and move to the right if there is faster moving traffic behind you. This incident is at brünnchen 1. Before that you have eschbach and wipperman.. He would have had all those cars right up behind him leading in to that turn causing the build up which is why they are bunched up in such a tight group. When you are slower, and you got cars all around you, and your side by side in a corner, then why try and still power out of it and run wide into the car?? Doesn't that seem like the real braindead action? Especially since he's already on the right and could have easily just kept a tight line and slowed down and allow them all to pass? Sorry man, but isn't one of the first rules of riding on the road to expect that 9 times out of 10, car drivers will do something ridiculous to try and kill you. What on earth makes people think that on an unregulated track with no speed limit, everyone is going to turn into a biker friendly driver?
I can imagine it can be frustrating being stuck behind bikers who don't look in their mirrors. Being able to corner much faster than them but have no chance of passing them on the straights. But that doesn't excuse the type of behavior in this vid. If you want to go flat out and not have the occasional lap ruined by TF being TF then there's a very simple solution, a trackday. Bikers are kinda programmed to NOT look in their mirrors when on track. Racebikes don't have them, and where I'm from if you don't take them off for a trackday you're required to tape them. So I'd cut them some slack and refrain from bullying them with your 2-ton car on the most dangerous track in the world.
am yet to start riding but even on a simulator at the nordschleife a split second lapse in concentration can result in a mistake, now on a road or race car they can be forgiving but with what we saw at around the 0:50, mark even the tiniest of mistakes on a bike can result in a seriously terrifying outcome, havent finished the video yet but that porsche 911 gt2rs should not have expected a headlight flash to work, wait until the straight. what you said was 100% correct
A lot of bikes leave this streak as our tires have smaller contact patches that can get hot which is actually the reason the streak is left. The tires are really hot.
12:38 - what, if anything, was going through that car-drivers head?! trying to undertake (against rules) with a dive into the corner and then complaining?
It looks like he (car driver) needs a proper "batting" on those knee caps and ankles of his. If that won't help at least he will not be able to put others in danger for some time... In all seriousness he deserves a slap for that "stunt" of his... Jerk
I really don't think it's a good idea to have bikes and cars on there at the same time. Cars can corner faster, bikes usually faster on straights. Leads to too much back and forth, as well as anger.
I've read that in the past the Gran Tourismo series could be used to learn real world race tracks. In fact, the PSP version had a pile of fun challenges on this track. But you could also drive the entire track.
I see the problem with the close calls. car drivers have little to no clue what its like on a bike when we are in a corner we cannot see you because we lean over the bike to get round making it hard to know if someone is passing you on the outside. And you see bikers taking the racing line, generally a car is faster through the apex, so you see people overtake them mid corner just gotta look out for eachother... really bikes and cars should never be together on track...
Personally I think they should have separate days or times for bikes only. Damn cars could cause a serious accident like the BMW almost did to those two riders.
2:39 was scary AND there's a passenger on the back of the bike. I'm tending to agree with the comments that bikes and cars don't mix well if there's no mutual respect and understanding of the differences between cars and bikes.
Cars and bikes compete against themselves. This is what is fascinating. On a bike you will fight the car against physics and the car will have to fight to overtake the bike. Eventually the car will win because it has much more stability but when theres open road the bee continues on your rear view mirror. Fascinating man. If we start to take everything because of fear of accidents is better to stop living. Life is a fight for surviving since memorial times. This control and opression is to take from us everything we love - passion, any emotion, feelings. We need more emotion!!
I did 2 laps on my s1000rr. Just stayed on the right side and let all the cars pass me. I dont know the track and there is nothing to win but you can loose a lot
I know right this moment was wrong in many ways lol. 1 why they 2 up on track and 2 where da F did the bmw think the bike was going she should've held back. Not to mention he achieved nothing as the bike will inevitably pass him again later on the track 2 up 😂😂😂
Es gibt sie tatsächlich: die dreirädrige Yamaha. Ich habe ihre Existenz immer für eine Verschwörungstheorie gehalten. Hab noch nie eine auf der Straße gesehen.😮😂😂😂
There's nothing better than putting down a knee in a corner, and nothing worse than high-siding coming out of a corner. Track riding is both the highest highs and the lowest lows!
This video made me realize I never want to visit the Nurburgring. Not on my bike or in a car. It looks like the same a-holes I fight every morning on the I10 are out here too.
Nurburgring by motorcycle is on my bucket list of stuff to do for this year or next year or the year after that or maybe the year after that or even the next year after that.....
@@ardzye5374 yes but if a car is pressuring them, they should slow down and move to the side on straights unless they’re actually trying to get a competitive time, which isn’t common with drivers or bikers.
@@morgenglende-michalski369 notice how you said straights. Well you do understand motorcycle lines right? A lot different than a car. So if they are forced to move right with a right bend coming up there’s a good chance they would have to take that turn extremely slow.
@@ardzye5374 YEAH SO WHY ARE SO MANY OF THEM HANGING IN THE MIDDLE BLOCKING CARS AND THEN SWINGING WIDE TO TAKE THE LINE LAST MOMENT….. they should come out of a corner, move to the far outside IMMEDIATELY, slow down, let the faster car go, then take the corner at the speed that they feel safe at
I did several track days with the LA BMW car club in the 80s. Cars and bikes were never on the track together. I did a session on my bike and went out with a Formula 2 driver in a race prepped M5. I was terrified because the braking and turning points were far different.
Honestly they should be releasing alternating groups of cars and bikes on the track in like 5-10 minute intervals to keep reasonable separation between groups. This is ridiculous.
What the Arial Atom did at 5:33 was so unnecessary. That pass was ridiculous he almost took out the rider, could’ve killed him. Bikes n cars don’t belong on track together whatsoever
That was the spirit. If I was the biker I will challenge the Ariel. Bikes and cars should compete they push themselves. If we ban everything because of security we will end up with nothing one day.
The best Nurburgring bike vid I've seen, I'm so board of smash vids, class riding and great saves are much better; I do hope the tosser in the white Porsche was band from the track... ;)
Nah it was being to tight on the bars. The bike was going into a slide and instead of being easy on the bars and rolling slowly off the throttle, he just grabt the bar as hard as he can. With that the front tire couldnt line up with the rear tire, which ended up nearly in a highsider.
Some crazy’s out there both bike and car . If I was not to broken up I would love to ride either a 125 gp bike or a tz250 yes I am showing my age . To me it is more fun pushing a low hp bike hard than not using the power of a plastic fantastic . Cheers from Australia
This is why when people ask me "when are you going to upgrade to a bigger bike?" my response is "I don't need a bigger bike." Granted its a 600cc cruiser, it does exactly what I need it to. Sometimes I think it would be fun to have something with a little more oomph as I do max it out during acceleration but in reality I can't legally use the power of my current bike most times anyway so what's the point. I am 30 so it's not an age thing, Also cheers from Australia.
Kinda missing the point of the touristen fahrten its not a track day its more oress a public highway with no real destination. So you shouldn't try to get good laptimes but just have fun see how the track looks like.
Some of the car drivers in this are just plain idiots, way too close while following a bike and the KTM X-Bow needs his head read. If the bike kicks and dislodges the rider then the car that is following them from 1m behind stands no chance of evading the rider. Also touring bikes being driven or trying to be driven like a race bike by inexperienced riders just making themselves look silly, its a big heavy bike not designed for track racing so stop trying to make it corner like a race bike lol.
Regardless of what kind of bike it is, the fastest way to take a corner is to ride it like a race bike. It is the same as rally cars sticking to the ideal line when they are on tarmac and not drifting so much.
The dominant impression I get from this video, is that bikes and cars don't belong on the track at the same time. Their optimum lines are radically different. This is especially problematic given the number of drivers (and bikers) who seem to lack a basic understanding of the difference between a race and a casual track day, and of how and when to back off in order to respect other users.
Agreed. The bikes are faster at straights, the cars are faster at cornering, which means no matter who is in front or who is behind they will get stuck behind eachother and will be forced to annoyingly slow down
Steve. I've done a BTG in 8:25 in 1998 on a completely stock 98 Blade. About 3 or 4 years later, when an affordable 170mph Renault Megane could be acquired by an average car driver, it was a pivotal change in how dangerous the Ring has now become. Never again for me, unless we get 'bike only' days.
I can’t imagine going double up on that track or any other! No thanks
exactly, when you ride track, supposed to be safer than the road, not here, a bike is a statistic waiting to happen
In a motorcycle track day :
- they don't mix cars and motorcycles
- there is multiple level group, so they don't mix experimented people with beginers
- if someone has a dangerous behaviour, he will be excluded
- it's forbidden to have a passenger
This specific track don't seem to care about safety
Some cars do not know the difference between the Touristenfahrt and trackdays. To honk at others who are "not fast enough" or squeez into small gaps before the corner so your Laptime is better shouldn't be done on a Touristenfahrt and especially not with motorcyclists.
Yes and no...half these bikers have zero awareness of what's behind them. I mean the guys who are clearly slowing down the Lambo, the Arial atom, the 911 etc....what are they thinking? Have been round the ring in a car and on bike and honestly, looks like the bikes are at fault here. Also taking a pillion and almost getting wiped out? Just dumb. Really, zero sympathy..
@@Alex-dh1mq The responsibility of a safe pass is always on the man behind. It's irrelevant if they have a pretty car or not, in a Track you look forward and take your lines, the others behind you need to pass you in a safe way.
No excuses. No sympathy for jerks endangering others.
@@dragonryucr2000 you mean like 3:43 ? Don't make excuses for people just cos they're on two wheels. There's some good riders here, and there are some clueless riders here who are a danger to themselves and others. Same goes for the car drivers.
@@Alex-dh1mq The responsibility of a safe pass relies on the man behind, the person needs to make a safe pass. Regarding if you think the Lambo and the Arial atom are pretty cars.
Just because you like the Lambo doesn't mean that the person in front has to let them pass.
Second and very importantly this track has Touristenfahrt and trackdays as Felix Vieh #65 mentioned. People can get in and drive or ride just by paying, it's basically an open track for everyone, people even lap with buses, campers and all sort of crazy shit.
The majority of people are inexperienced drivers or that only want to have the experience of lapping a legendary track once in their lifetimes.
Like all the guys in this video, including the guy in 3:43 and the Lambo and Ariel guys. There are a lot of noobs driving here all the time.
The rule still remains, the person behind has to wait until they can make a safe pass, the person in front does not need to be paying attention the person behind, they need to focus on the track.
If they want to go to the racing days, they need to take their racing license and go to a specific day.
If you have a problem getting your head wrapped around this concept, which you clearly do, go to your local Track and take the safety course they offer for new riders/drivers, they'll be happy to have you, they always are.
The only different thing about this track and regular tracks is that German transit rules still apply inside the track and you can even get a ticket.
@@dragonryucr2000 Honest question, and I'm not asking to be a smartass but have you ever ridden or driven around the ring on a touristenfahrten day? Like I've commented on another reply, the rule on this track is that if there is faster traffic around you, then you indicate and move over to the right and let the traffic pass. If you're not aware of that rule, you're a danger to all on the track. If you're not aware of what's in front and what's behind you, you're a danger to all on the track. Touristenfahrten is not a full on race, yes understood, and it's not intentionally for lap times, yet that is what everyone there is doing, and no one is naive to that fact. If you're there just for a sight seeing lap, then that's also fine but don't be a dick and hold up traffic just cos you're in your own world without a care for everyone else. Isn't it dangerous when you're driving on the motorway or highway and someone is there doing 20kph less than the speed limit causing a build up of frustrated drivers bumper to bumper? So then on a racetrack (regardless of touristenfahrten vs trackday... And yes I've done both), a track without speed limits and where people are paying 30eur per lap, and the rules state move to the right if faster traffic behind (just like on the road), you still want to defend the muppets riding around in their own world? Ok mate. Merry Xmas 👍🎅
They should host the occasional "motorcycle only" trackday. I would love to ride this track some day, but not with so many idiots around.
Ditto m8.
Playing the part at 5:34 at half speed is bloody terrifying 😳 Ridiculous and absolutely no need.
It almost looked like it was intentional. Of course it wasn’t and it was his lack of skill and panick when he saw he won’t make the corner with that angle and speed
@@richardendresz161 It looks controlled (power slide) and intentional. Which makes it so much worse...
More like attempted murder
The worst part is that instead of aiming for the apex he choses to pass the bike on the outside reducing the bikers exit space.
he should be banned from the track for life.
Bikers on the Nürburgring are the real heroes indeed, such a dangerous track to drive with a car but with a bike...puhh that is crazy man🙌
The real roads are much more dangerous, but yeah, I agree those bimmer drivers are the worst
@@Guyjharrison okay when you drive like this on a real road that is almost like suicide🤔
i wuld like to ride my s1000rr ther but wuldent dare to push it xD
idk if being crazy makes you a hero..
@@bloodhoug82 for sure😅
Love the Peugeot at 12:40 had no angle to pass, still tried it, then honked when he couldnt make his bad pass.
what a tosser that fella..
Not to mention he tried to overtake on the right. Which is illegal in Germany, illegal in The Netherlands (where he came from) and illegal during TF.
@@qers good point
if you look at his hands he steers into the bike aswell
Looks more like he's swerving to avoid running into the back of the bike because he didn't expect the biker to brake that much for the corner.
This perfectly represents how little respect some have for other peoples lives
7:29 any rider will let you know, true balls is this guy. ADV bike, sleet and light hail, dude is still out there on the tarmac putting in the laps
i pulled out a africa twin under a guard rail a week ago... luckily the guy wasnt hurt tooooo bad... bruised ribs and broken arm
Maybe im kinda biased as adv rider myself(Tenere 700) but adv riders seem te be one of the few years round riders left. So many rider just stop riding as soon as October comes.
It is always fascinating to see, that people want to learn how to go fast and chose one of the most difficult race tracks to start with.Amazing...
Because it's long and not shitty 500m long gocart track where you cannot even utilize.20% of ur machine
@@testplmnb There are a lot bigger, wider and longer race tracks in Europe, than Hockenheim, my friend. It shows that you´ve never been on any track obviously.
I havent been
@@stevehislop hockenheim is 4,5 km and a pretty decent track to start with. Sachsenring is less than 4 km. Oschersleben is pretty much like Sachsenring. So I don't get why you've mentioned hockenheim when it comes to short racetracks?!
@@FreZzaaa Shall we now delve into the definition of what a short track is, compared with the Nürburgring?Answer: pretty much every track is.
And anybody who has raced in Brno (15mtr wide and 5,4km long) before and then races in Hockenheim (8,5mtr wide) will agree, that it is tiny in comparison.There is a difference of 23 seconds between both tracks lap records, just to give you a hint.
Oschersleben is only 3,7km , but has almost the identical track record (1:13min) as Hockenheim.
Comparing tracks is difficult and anything you can lap in about a minute is a "short" track.
My original point was, that it is a dumb idea to go to the Nürburgring to learn how to go fast, when there are so many easy and safe tracks in Europe to start with and where totalling your equipment isn´t so likely.
Do you think my statement is wrong? If so, why?
The guy at 12.38 is an absolute tosspot. How can you even begin to try and lunge inside the corner like that??? The biker was taking a rather standard racing line and the driver gets mad after almost hitting him right there... It's not like the biker was doing something unpredictable. The Peugeot driver must've thought it was a Need For Speed or something...
Biking for 20 Years now but this Track together with cars, no way.
Xxx
2:44 this is attempt of murder
7:30 The Ultimate Hero of the The Real Heros Compilation! I don't envy that spin around the track tbf
Eh, It's an Africa Twin. It was practically designed for those conditions.
Look at the bright side .. he probably has the whole track for himself xD
@@LaniakeaDenizen Amen.
@@LaniakeaDenizen No bike is designed for hail.
@blackmore6468 It's all about the mindset hahaha.
2 problems with cars and bikes sharing the track:
- Cars forced to slow down annoyingly at mid-corner or even corner entry.
- Bikes forced exit corner later and wait to put power down in order to avoid cutting off the cars that initiated an overtake on the outside.
To be fair, if you are being forced to slow down annoyingly mid corner then you have demonstrated a total lack of anticipation going into that corner. Perhaps this is the problem with many of these situations.. too little forethought about the conditions ahead. Someone slow up ahead, yet unable to get by and your favourite corner is coming up... Then why hang on their heels getting frustrated? Hang back a bit allow some buffer space and take your corner at speed.. deal with overtaking the chap ahead later on at a safer spot.
@@jimstartup2729 No, thats for non-retarded people... This is the tourists haha
@@jimstartup2729 buddy, cars hold their speed in the corner then bikes move away on straights........GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY
For some reason the acoustics of where this camera is positioned seems to pick up the whirr and whine of the motorcycle engines perfectly. It's like I can hear all the subtleties, the air intake, the clacking of the valves and the chain...beautiful.
2:43 To the car drivers❗️ Don‘t overtake Motorcycles on the exit of the corner- we can not see you - when we are leaning our mirrors are useless… and some motorcycle drivers should more often look in the mirrors. We are not the fastest on the track compared to GT3RS with Slicks eg…
And the Porsche dives right into the gap right of him...
How about to the bikers, lose the ego, understand a 911 and an M3 that visit the ring are more than likely WAY faster than you mid corner. They also have the most easily recognisable front grills as well... If you see them coming at warp speed in your mirrors, just give way before leaning in instead of blocking their line? . After watching these clips, it's easy to see why a lot of drivers don't like us. There's one or two good riders. The rest are ridiculous who clearly don't know the basic rules and courtesy of that track.
@@Alex-dh1mq you’re actually braindead if you think your argument justifies what this bmw did. Through a busy part if the track.
You WAIT for a clear time to over take not bully your way through. Don’t like those rules? Don’t go on the track simple as that.
@@Kilrathal yeah I get it, but the rules of that track are to signal and move to the right if there is faster moving traffic behind you. This incident is at brünnchen 1. Before that you have eschbach and wipperman.. He would have had all those cars right up behind him leading in to that turn causing the build up which is why they are bunched up in such a tight group. When you are slower, and you got cars all around you, and your side by side in a corner, then why try and still power out of it and run wide into the car?? Doesn't that seem like the real braindead action? Especially since he's already on the right and could have easily just kept a tight line and slowed down and allow them all to pass? Sorry man, but isn't one of the first rules of riding on the road to expect that 9 times out of 10, car drivers will do something ridiculous to try and kill you. What on earth makes people think that on an unregulated track with no speed limit, everyone is going to turn into a biker friendly driver?
Before you start overtake motorcycle you must watch how bike move in time atack on track (difrent lines and ride style than cars)
3:24 This guy is too savage with the wave mid corner
I can imagine it can be frustrating being stuck behind bikers who don't look in their mirrors. Being able to corner much faster than them but have no chance of passing them on the straights. But that doesn't excuse the type of behavior in this vid. If you want to go flat out and not have the occasional lap ruined by TF being TF then there's a very simple solution, a trackday.
Bikers are kinda programmed to NOT look in their mirrors when on track. Racebikes don't have them, and where I'm from if you don't take them off for a trackday you're required to tape them. So I'd cut them some slack and refrain from bullying them with your 2-ton car on the most dangerous track in the world.
am yet to start riding but even on a simulator at the nordschleife a split second lapse in concentration can result in a mistake, now on a road or race car they can be forgiving but with what we saw at around the 0:50, mark even the tiniest of mistakes on a bike can result in a seriously terrifying outcome, havent finished the video yet but that porsche 911 gt2rs should not have expected a headlight flash to work, wait until the straight. what you said was 100% correct
Why arent racebikes alowed to have mirrors?
@@TheHolladiewaldfeee eyes forwards, take your eyes off the road on a bike at those speeds = bad times
well if that's how they're programmed, they have no business riding in mixed traffic do they?
@@acalthu It's Touristenfahrten not a race, you shouldn't be overtaking so aggressively regardless of what you're driving
7:26 Poor fellah! Wrong day!
3:54 man that guy was riding the limit look at the tire streak he left on the ground haha
A lot of bikes leave this streak as our tires have smaller contact patches that can get hot which is actually the reason the streak is left. The tires are really hot.
12:38 - what, if anything, was going through that car-drivers head?! trying to undertake (against rules) with a dive into the corner and then complaining?
I get the feeling that the airhorn was next to the camera somewhere. That was probably not the car.
It looks like he (car driver) needs a proper "batting" on those knee caps and ankles of his. If that won't help at least he will not be able to put others in danger for some time... In all seriousness he deserves a slap for that "stunt" of his... Jerk
Rules of the ring,
Slow on the right faster on the left...
@@jasonhoward9029 Rules of the ring, StVO, also includes not "racing" or endangering others.
I lost my bike there due to cooling liquid. Totalled… and two broken bones.
Ride safe, but if you have bad luck you have no chance
no one is gonna talk about the sidecar at 3:00 😂😂😂😂😂
If I was that passenger I’m for sure I’ll never ride bikes again 😂
He's well known on the nordschleife.
fewer will talk about about that FJ having car tires on it.
Lmfao that was funny
I really don't think it's a good idea to have bikes and cars on there at the same time.
Cars can corner faster, bikes usually faster on straights. Leads to too much back and forth, as well as anger.
2:46 - It would be interesting to know if that BMW driver got a kevlar-reinforced motorcycle glove in his face very hard at the end of this session.
Anyone else thinking how sketch it would be to be learning this course while sharing it with cars? 😳
That's why you should have at least a minimal understanding of which track you're going to, not just rawdog it
I've read that in the past the Gran Tourismo series could be used to learn real world race tracks. In fact, the PSP version had a pile of fun challenges on this track. But you could also drive the entire track.
Gran Turismo
MVP: That dude in the hail 😅😅
5:34 WTF. That was dangerous
That sucker was trying to kill him
I see the problem with the close calls. car drivers have little to no clue what its like on a bike when we are in a corner we cannot see you because we lean over the bike to get round making it hard to know if someone is passing you on the outside. And you see bikers taking the racing line, generally a car is faster through the apex, so you see people overtake them mid corner just gotta look out for eachother... really bikes and cars should never be together on track...
Personally I think they should have separate days or times for bikes only. Damn cars could cause a serious accident like the BMW almost did to those two riders.
2:44 Oh SHiT
Watching this makes me wonder how they even allow bikes and cars on the same day. Some of these car drivers have no business being on track
9:07 you got me twice! Nice one thanks
I own a car and a bike and it's wayyy more scary to drive bike around city than a car, I could not even imagine what is happening on track.
Being from India I see such orderly and relenting traffic
I want to see an Indian version of nurburgring, you guys are built different 😅
2:44 WTF was the mission of the BMW?
5:31 Holly!!
Motorcycles are so much more interesting than cars to watch.
That motorcyclist in the rain is just crazy.
Probably the safest time to ride😂
Way too dangerous to keep cars and bikes on the track at the same time.
3:00Crikey, fancy being hustled around the 'Ring in a sidecar (sometimes on no wheels at all)?
6:59 this must be some kind of A.I. because he rejoins without even looking
I held my breath.. how can you just drive onto the track like that !?
@@TheAbckill18 a real life npc,no fear of death he will just respawn xD
Love the Sidecar clip!!!
That 'instant regret fails' video was fantastic! Thank you!
2:39 was scary AND there's a passenger on the back of the bike. I'm tending to agree with the comments that bikes and cars don't mix well if there's no mutual respect and understanding of the differences between cars and bikes.
I like the guy with that old BMW idling around, going off the track, then back on.
It looks like bikes and cars on the track at the same time a dangerous mix.
Cars and bikes compete against themselves. This is what is fascinating. On a bike you will fight the car against physics and the car will have to fight to overtake the bike. Eventually the car will win because it has much more stability but when theres open road the bee continues on your rear view mirror. Fascinating man. If we start to take everything because of fear of accidents is better to stop living. Life is a fight for surviving since memorial times. This control and opression is to take from us everything we love - passion, any emotion, feelings. We need more emotion!!
Still reckon the Nordschleife would make a great track for a Isle of Man/Macau-esque road race for bikes
I did 2 laps on my s1000rr. Just stayed on the right side and let all the cars pass me. I dont know the track and there is nothing to win but you can loose a lot
I want to see misha take a bike around the track & vlog it.
1:17 That thing is a disgrace to bikes
2:45 lmao out loud, not at the near crash, but seeing
that there is two-up on this bike, too funny.
I know right this moment was wrong in many ways lol.
1 why they 2 up on track and 2 where da F did the bmw think the bike was going she should've held back. Not to mention he achieved nothing as the bike will inevitably pass him again later on the track
2 up 😂😂😂
6:29 little clip of me. All this covid making it too much agg to get back over but hopefully summer 2022 I'll be back
NEVER EVER I'd go on a track with cars @ the same time!
What a remarkable and time saving use of the @ symbol instead of two letters. I hope you used a shortcut @ least. Lol.
Es gibt sie tatsächlich: die dreirädrige Yamaha. Ich habe ihre Existenz immer für eine Verschwörungstheorie gehalten. Hab noch nie eine auf der Straße gesehen.😮😂😂😂
There's nothing better than putting down a knee in a corner, and nothing worse than high-siding coming out of a corner. Track riding is both the highest highs and the lowest lows!
Crashing at a track is childs play
This video made me realize I never want to visit the Nurburgring. Not on my bike or in a car. It looks like the same a-holes I fight every morning on the I10 are out here too.
That yellow sidecar with the wing on the it just made me laugh out loud it was so ridiculous
Völliger Wahnsinn Bikes und Autos auf der Nordschleife
Die Strecke ist Ansich schon der Hammer aber würde nicht beides zusammen auf die Strecke lassen
Gehört verboten, aber der Jahrmarkt bringt Kohle.
Nurburgring by motorcycle is on my bucket list of stuff to do for this year or next year or the year after that or maybe the year after that or even the next year after that.....
Personally I'm not sure bikes should be on with Cars.
It's freaking mental... love that place...
Don't call yourself a brave man if you're not riding your 250cc bike to nurburgring 😂
Depend the strokes, ninja two stroke 150cc tuned can reach 180km/h. More than enough.
sehr schön .
danke fürs Hochladen ( Like )
Don’t get me wrong, they all have hella balls, but I noticed that a lot of them have a bad habit of not moving over for faster cars…
hard to when cornering. very hard too on a bike. turning radius/apex is much different.
@@ardzye5374 yes but if a car is pressuring them, they should slow down and move to the side on straights unless they’re actually trying to get a competitive time, which isn’t common with drivers or bikers.
@@morgenglende-michalski369 notice how you said straights. Well you do understand motorcycle lines right? A lot different than a car. So if they are forced to move right with a right bend coming up there’s a good chance they would have to take that turn extremely slow.
@@ardzye5374 YEAH SO WHY ARE SO MANY OF THEM HANGING IN THE MIDDLE BLOCKING CARS AND THEN SWINGING WIDE TO TAKE THE LINE LAST MOMENT….. they should come out of a corner, move to the far outside IMMEDIATELY, slow down, let the faster car go, then take the corner at the speed that they feel safe at
@@ardzye5374 fucking hell u don’t even understand what I’m saying did u even watch the video????
Super cool to see a Niken running 1:22
I was wondering what they call this frankenstein
totally psycho to mix cars and bikes... way too dangerous for bikers
I did several track days with the LA BMW car club in the 80s.
Cars and bikes were never on the track together.
I did a session on my bike and went out with a Formula 2 driver in a race prepped M5.
I was terrified because the braking and turning points were far different.
Honestly they should be releasing alternating groups of cars and bikes on the track in like 5-10 minute intervals to keep reasonable separation between groups. This is ridiculous.
What the Arial Atom did at 5:33 was so unnecessary. That pass was ridiculous he almost took out the rider, could’ve killed him. Bikes n cars don’t belong on track together whatsoever
That was the spirit. If I was the biker I will challenge the Ariel. Bikes and cars should compete they push themselves. If we ban everything because of security we will end up with nothing one day.
@@droit2411it’s not a track day. If you want to do maneuvers like this go on track day.
The best Nurburgring bike vid I've seen, I'm so board of smash vids, class riding and great saves are much better; I do hope the tosser in the white Porsche was band from the track... ;)
beim Verkauf: "Motorrad hat noch nie eine Rennstrecke gesehen" xD
I honestly don’t know how dozens of bikers aren’t wiped out every year with car drivers behaving like this around them. Makes me cringe.
4:07 lol da ist ja der kollege der am schladernring immer mit sozius eskaliert :D
haha geiles Kommentar, love it.
0:40 the Tuono is on fire. Looks like wrong tyres 😂🤣
Nah it was being to tight on the bars. The bike was going into a slide and instead of being easy on the bars and rolling slowly off the throttle, he just grabt the bar as hard as he can. With that the front tire couldnt line up with the rear tire, which ended up nearly in a highsider.
@@rstrumann so u drive?
@@Dr.heidenreich Yeah im riding a motorcycle ^^
insane that cars and bikes get mixed together....
0:31 wie er mit seiner 125er Zwiebacksäge den ganze Verkehr aufhält und gleich die komplette Fahrspur beansprucht :D
Das War eine Yamaha R1 mit 200ps du zwiebacksäge außerdem fährt er einfach nicht wie jmd. der 7 leben hat
Haha.. The leg danglers think they are Valey..... Hardly going fast enough to take off stabilisers....
The guy dipping with a backpack...😅😅😅💀💀💀☠☠☠
1:48 enduro is what you need bro
I'd love to do this one day, but I'm taking a £1000 beater. No way I'm risking a bike I care about in that mess.
The thing I learned from this video is to NEVER take my motorcycle to the Ring
Even your tracks have staus. Mein Gott! It's like the A3 on a holiday weekend.
This is Awsome! I love it.Come one, come all.. We need this in North America! 😀
THAT'S SO WOW! Thanks. John P.
AYO THESE BIMMER DRIVERS ARE SOMETHING ELSE WTF RESPECT THE BIKERS
They need bike days, ban on car days
I would like to take a ride on this track one day. Fortunately, there is still NFS Shift 2 ;D
This reminds me of riding my motorcycle in New Jersey.
Some crazy’s out there both bike and car . If I was not to broken up I would love to ride either a 125 gp bike or a tz250 yes I am showing my age . To me it is more fun pushing a low hp bike hard than not using the power of a plastic fantastic . Cheers from Australia
This is why when people ask me "when are you going to upgrade to a bigger bike?" my response is "I don't need a bigger bike." Granted its a 600cc cruiser, it does exactly what I need it to. Sometimes I think it would be fun to have something with a little more oomph as I do max it out during acceleration but in reality I can't legally use the power of my current bike most times anyway so what's the point.
I am 30 so it's not an age thing, Also cheers from Australia.
A TZ250 would be a blast there...if there were no cars.
Cars and Bikes should not be tracking at the same time.
I'm amazed there hasn't been more accidents.
hahahaha the little dutch deliveroo driver
The difference between a good rider and a great rider is whether or not you're faster than the porsche behind you
Man man, oft brutal eng zwischen Auto und Motorrad . Also auch auf dem Ring sollte man etwas Rücksicht nehmen
wow simply fantastic and very crazy too 😮
Reminds me of the Road Warriors!! Awesome video
The bikes are too slow and hold up the cars in the corners, dangerous having them both running together like that
Kinda missing the point of the touristen fahrten its not a track day its more oress a public highway with no real destination. So you shouldn't try to get good laptimes but just have fun see how the track looks like.
Some of the car drivers in this are just plain idiots, way too close while following a bike and the KTM X-Bow needs his head read. If the bike kicks and dislodges the rider then the car that is following them from 1m behind stands no chance of evading the rider. Also touring bikes being driven or trying to be driven like a race bike by inexperienced riders just making themselves look silly, its a big heavy bike not designed for track racing so stop trying to make it corner like a race bike lol.
Regardless of what kind of bike it is, the fastest way to take a corner is to ride it like a race bike. It is the same as rally cars sticking to the ideal line when they are on tarmac and not drifting so much.
Any bike can be ridden hard. There is an entire professional racing series based around baggers.
13:12 best looking bike 😍