Why Is This Pokemon Emerald Speedrun 17 Hours Long?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2023
- Pokemon Emerald's Battle Frontier is really cool. Let's see how speedrunners absolutely destroy it (or how it destroys them?)
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Music (In order):
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team - Sky Tower
Final Fantasy X - Beyond The Darkness
Shin Megami Tensei IV - Black Market
Pokemon Emerald - Battle Factory
Pokemon Emerald - Battle Pyramid
Pokemon Crystal - Battle Tower
Pokemon Emerald - Battle Tower
Pokemon Emerald - Battle Pike
Pokemon Emerald - Battle Dome
Pokemon Emerald - Battle Arena
Pokemon Emerald - Battle Palace
OneShot - On Little Cat Feet - เกม
Sorry for the long wait between videos. Working on a big video right now but I'll try to get more stuff out in the upcoming months! Thanks for understanding gamers
life is more important my dooders
Bro, you can only have a max of 252 in a stat. Not 255.
@@roka9963 In the older generations it was 255. It changed to 252 in gen 6 since 252 is all you need to cap a stat
No mention of what playing a game for 19 hours straight can do to your health?
Also lets be honest, RNg manipulation is cheating
"The category takes almost an entire day to finish" followed soon by "Please check it out if you get some free time" amused me greatly.
Book a day off 4head
At least viewing the run can be segmented rather than RTA. :P
FREE TIME? NOT ON MY WATCH
And having to memorize thousands of minor variables that aren't ever explained anywhere in a kids games. Competitive Pokemon is almost like min-maxing World of Warcraft, Diablo, League of Legends or FInal Fantasy 14.
@@mattweismillerThat's what I was thinking too. Remembering that while staying focused for the equivalent of 10.000 TikTok shorts. How can a modern man even accomplish such a thing?
starting your explanation of Pokemon's third game in the generation by "back in the day" made me age a thousand years
There are legal adults who weren’t alive when Emerald was first released, insane to think about
@@planetsliveinsidethemoon1600what would consider an "illegal adult" 🤔🤔🤔
@@artur24able being born on February 29th?
Someone who's 18 or 21, depending on country? @@artur24able
@@planetsliveinsidethemoon1600 my little brother! His first Pokémon game was Pokémon black.
Mine was the red charizard cartridge on the game boy color!
2:25 I feel like a much better question is “how does it only take 17 hours”
You forgot to mention that in Palace, each Nature's tactics changes once the Pokemon hits half health. Sometimes it basically does a 180.
Enjoyment of the Battle Frontier seems to be tied to how little you know how it actually works, considering how blatantly unfair it gets
Even as a kid, I KNEW those bastards were utilizing EVs and IVs to make otherwise mundane opponents much more lethal
I love the bs difficult grind, even knowing how it works. Maybe there’s just something wrong with me.
Enjoyment comes ftom not doing any battle frontier or tower or mansion
@@skeezixmccatsure ya did
....those seels and kabuto don't fuck around
spotless spinda is so cursed what the fuck
17:50 "Shedninja" *Coughs blood*
Same
Good.
Avoiding this content as a kid saved me numerous potential aneurisms
sucks that you missed out on peak content
@feIon battle fronteir stuff was total ass, honestly. I couldnt care less that its dead
@@feIonmissed on what?? Did we get an awesome legendary Pokémon after??? Was there something cool that happened after you beat it? No. It was just in game hype but you couldn’t even level up your mons anyways. I tried it as a kid and I got to most of the battle brains but it was all just life and death battles for nothing but stupid symbols. At least in the regular gameplay you’re beating gyms leveling up, catching Pokémon and leading up to beating team magma and team aqua as well as becoming Pokémon champ. Emerald post game is a bit overrated but it doesn’t take away how decent the game was in the regular run. Battle frontier was difficult and we didn’t even get good rewards. No extra post game legendary, no extra post game region. All their new Pokémon were events back in the 2000s.
@@moisesvirgen7711 Because it was actually GOOD post game content, unlike the garbage they throw at us after gen 4 (discount Battle Towers or just nothing at all for the most part.)
@@Invisibool Battle frontier was great, there was a lot of interesting charm to it. Was it perfect? No, but at least they gave us something interesting to do after the main game, unlike most of the "post game" garbage that came after gen 4. How about you share a real argument over something as basic and barebones as the garbage they gave us after gen 4 (referring to post game content specifically by the way, I don't actually hate the later gens, just wish they'd do better with the post game stuff.)
I remember watching Werster's whole run on TH-cam years ago. Such a cool endurance run.
Did he ever stop to eat or piss or anything? No pauses allowed at ALL?
@violetsparkles5453 doesn't he run to piss during a cutscene or something? Poor guy must not drink anything 24 hours before playing lmfao
I miss the battle frontier so much
@@xIcyStarzz no they are 60 90+ if you count the dlc
I miss having it to try it and play it, but let’s be honest, how many of us got not a single gold medal
Going for gold could be fun but playing co-op battle tower or facility with a friend or sibling was an amazing experience
You cleary none of you actually played it
All of them outside of the tower and dome are a drag
@@user-du8bq5et8rThe entire thing is a massive drag. If you need a single move for your Mon in HGSS for instance, it takes like 15 hours to get 48 BP
If only more games had the same type, quality and length of post game content as Emerald, Platinum, HGSS and B2W2
There needs to be more passion, time and resources allocated to these games and the 3rd version w/ even more goodies.
ORAS bro like HGSS didn’t even have much
The new games I think have passion, just lack development time to allow it to come to full fruition
@@Andrewlik S/V was honestly a great game (nearly unreplayable due to the 2 and a half hour unskipable cutscenes) and I think is a step in the right direction for Pokémon, not on a technical standpoint obviously, but a amazing game story wise and pacing wise
@@sandsunderthetable.6625what??? HGSS had like an entire second game in the post game. Idk what was in ORAS tho, mostly played the older ones. They may have more, but HGSS def didn’t have a lack of post game content
@@jordananderson3588 what was there to do in the 2nd region other than the gyms? Exactly, HGSS had good post game don’t get me wrong but my god the Kant region that everyone rants about is so unimaginably boring you can do the entire thing in like an hour and all the battles are underleveled, like I legit never had a SINGLE Pokémon faint other than to that damned mil tank and red and I never grinded once
5:32
Based SMTIV music appreciator
I know the Breath of the Wild 100% category had breaks added in as part of the rules to prevent runs from turning into competitions for who can stay lucid the longest. Are there similar rules here? The category rules mention that saving and quitting are allowed, but doesn't say anything about stopping the timer.
Pretty sure saving and quitting is just to allow soft resetting and related strategies. It's not really difficult to stay awake 19 hours, but that would still definitely improve accessibility
@@SoMuchNope You would still have to figure out food, bathroom, and a bunch of other stuff while doing tasks that, while tedious af, can't really be automated without breaking the rules.
Merely staying awake for 19 hours is one thing. Staying awake focused on a single task without any interruptions is another thing entirely.
I always knew BoTW was for babies but being allowed 3 breaks in an 18 hour run? Babies first speedgame.
@@Piratederpit's not about allowed. it's about having to
@@Piratederp oh what records do you have?
This is first video I've seen from you. Your narration and presentation was very clear and concise. Great video! Liked and Subscribed! I had no idea about how many IVs the Frontier Brains had.
Enjoyed the video! This is a very minute thing for me to point out, but I recognized the sound each time you segued into a battle facility. That's the EXE5 Twin Leaders save sound, and that makes me happy.
Lovely editing mate. Nice and clear, high-quality voice over. I'm not a big Pokemon guy nowadays but really enjoyed this! :)
17:50 Shed-Ninja, my favorite pokemon. Right next to Char-Salamander and Marsh-Stomp :)
That’s how everyone pronounces it.
@@dylanb2990 Totally. I also really like Magnet-Ton and of course, the all time GOAT, Deciduous-Eye
@@fennecwolfox my favourite is milk tank
Once again the never ending info of the wonderful world of speedrunning has been acquired! This emerald run would stomp me if I ever tired!
I absolutely *lothe* the Palace. It's not fun in the slightest, even with the correct natures. The other rng areas are at least fun or interesting. Im glad they didn't bring it back in gen 4.
me spending 3 whole minutes trying to figure out what this comment says before realizing you simply misspelled "loathe"
Loved the video as always Doc, informative and easy to digest. Keen for the next one
Fantastic editing. You do a good job of saying what you need to say, then moving on. When I clicked on this video, I wasn't sure if I wanted to spend 21 minutes watching a pokemon speedrunning video, but I never felt like my time was being wasted. Well done, you earned that subscription.
I can't believe the game designers didn't consider the speedrunning experience that would develop decades later!
Are you the Matt roszac of KupoGames fame?
@@divicarpe1844mario
Speed running has been around for as long as video games have, it just used to be a personal challenge to do since there wasn't the Internet to share runs and info. I remember doing challenges with friends to do stuff like playing a game on ps2 to completion without a memory card back in 2005.
@@ShaggyRogers1 By 2005, a lot of speedrunning community have developed, like Goldeneye, Doom, Mario64, Punch Out, etc. People were already sharing their times on gaming forums.
@@i_like_lemons While that is true that speedrunning communities had been starting to pick up steam back then, pokemon just by nature doesn't really seem a speedrun game. It's more a collection for perfection type of game (after all, the catch phrase is "gotta catch em all"), with the goal of showing your stuff in competitive battles.
glad i decided to check my subscription feed. excellent work! good pacing and slick edits!
as a sidenote, man i always forget how different gen 3’s salamence colors are… i’m glad the shiny has kept the orange wings.
Great video, I just started replaying emerald myself so it's interesting to also learn about the speedrunning scene :)
Also OneShot music at the end!! love that game
I remember my old Latios from a (now B-drained) cartridge of Emerald. It had a SpA+ nature and some weirdly high stats. I kept that save for weeks until I found out about IV calculators and decided to have a look, since I already SpA trained it fully.
IVs
HP: 31
Att: 27
Def: 30
SpA: 31
SpDef: 31
Spd: 30
This one carried me so fking hard through the BF, it wasn't even funny anymore...
Cause of death: Data corruption after the 6th time of trading it between my games for preserverance
RIP
Insanely unlikely.
Its honestly more likely that you miscalculated something, but anyways, congrats :)
@@caspervestergaard2430 The IVs were what the calc spat out given what my stats were at this time. I only SpA trained it.
Sure, there could've been room for fault by + - 1-3 IV due to roundings but I'm 95% certain I went with the script.
Appreciate your thanks nonethenless
@@caspervestergaard2430unlikely BUT not impossible
@@caspervestergaard2430 on ppo thers a lot of ppl with perfect ivs poke and the odds are even worse than original pokemon games?
I was just thinking the other day that I havent seen a doc video in a while. excited to watch this one!
Really awesome to see you not only include the music used in the description but also the corner of the video itself when you switch songs.
9:03 da spinda wit no spots
That was pretty interesting. I've seen pieces of werster's and know of the category, but I didn't know the nuances of the facilities.
Your editing style is always so clean and is a massive inspiration for me. Great video as always! 😁
Good job man. You are a magnificent story teller. You give us entretainment out of things I never cared much haha. Props to you. Very good storytelling.
Super cool! I wish there had been more discussion about the team itself. I would have liked to have seen at least one full battle to help demonstrate to me just how OP this team is.
IIRC Latios is a strong Special attacker with just overall exemplary stats, being a Legendary. Metagross is a strong Physical attacker with good innate defense in its Steel type, also has high stats, and holds a Choice Band. And Swampert is a mixed attacker and tank, again, with very good innate defense in its Water/Ground typing and holding Leftovers for longevity. So the team is assembled for A) good innate defensive qualities in typing and base stats, so B) EVs can be put into attacking stats instead, which are already good but become great when EV-boosted, and C) a versatile range of Physical and Special damage dealers to be able to handle whatever comes their way. It's a very strong team designed to take on a large variety of battles in quick succession--as is fitting for a speedrun!
Swampert is also just flat out, without question, the best starter for the base game as well.
4:16 - huh, TIL that IVs were less impactful than I thought, I thought they were a fractional multiplier and not a flat addition of 0-31 in a final stat, but that makes sense. EVs are more impactful on the stat, with a potential difference of +63 at 252 EVs at level 100, before accounting for nature. EVs when nature scaled can mean a +69 after rounding, so that’s nice.
TLDR: IVs are roughly half as impactful as the full effect of EVs, both of which matter less than the Base Stat value.
amazing video, per usual ... love your content!
Awesome video. Think I only managed a couple of silver symbols as a kid.
I remember when Alpha Sapphire came out, I completed it in 1 sitting, playing through 20 hours including the post game
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I hate that they got rid of the frontier in ORAS
I like how the devs went full on the battle frontier for the most tryhards fans of pokemon what a shame I was not able to play it, I hope one day I get a gameboy advance
buy DS lite since they are way cheaper than Gameboy's! and they can play advance games as well ^^
@@anis6800 Or a phone from 2010 onwards and use an emulator
Awesome video man!
You have to tell me what game the sound effect you use when showing the transition between battle facilities is - for example at 18:30
If I remember it was from this weird third person view Japanese RTS game but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called!
I completed emerald a couple of times when I was around 8 years old. I loved the game so much and it was always fun restarting for me. But Completion for me was finishing elite 4 and maybe some more catching after like legendaries etc. However the battle frontier, I must have gotten at most 1 silver, maybe. I remember it as so insanely hard and this video woke up those horrible memories of the dark pyramid, the anguished random pokemons, the absolute pain of completing battles without healing.
awesome video dude. had a lot of fun watching this!
Gamefreak is doing a 17 year speedrun so we can get the battle frontier back, great video!
Still the biggest Crime of GameFreak that they didn't add the Battle Frontier to ORAS
Even just watching Pokemon streamers (some of whom are speedrunners) try to do Battle Tower challenges is hilariously painful.
Emerald is one of the best things to ever happen in pokemon
I was having a good time with the video... And then you blasted the smt tunes, insta subbed.
See the battle palace gimmick would actually be pretty cool if you could like train different strategies with your Pokémon and then depending on how well you trained and what strats you choose for each mon at the very start of the battle would determine what happens (along with natures)
yeah i agree, would be lovely
Wow brilliant thanks for the layout of this true gauntlet
yeah as I played this game and the Battle Tower just for the Silver symbol is a pain as I ran into either trainers with Pokemon with Brightpowder or freaking Wabuffett and it took me my second time to beat Anebel for that symbol. The Battle Dome I run into two trainers with Reggis with counter and I almost made it to Tucker stupid Regice with Counter and up till this point in my third time didn't run into a team with a legendary until then.
I've played mostly classic and till today my personal idea of beating a pokemon game involves weeks, so damn crazy to think how quick people beat them
Great video :) everything is well explained and is easy to follow and understand even for non pokemon fans
3:18 loving the final fantasy 10 music in the background literally grew up playing pokemon and final fantasy 10 lmao big up from england
11:18
It is also in Pokemon Leaf Grean and Fire Red, in the north of the seven island. Also, in battle arena in pokemon Diamond, pearl and Platinium. And, in Platinum it is a battle frontier, too, same as HGSS is the location of Battle tower in Crystal, it became battle frontier.
in FRLG the Trainer Tower is similar to the Trainer Hill from Emerald.
You a real one for the FFX music at 3 minutes in.
5:06 fun fact: those natures that don't make any changes actually just apply the buff and debuff to the same stat
I remember watching Werster’s run some years ago. It took me over a week to finish watching it all. Still in my opinion the most impressive speedrun I’ve ever seen.
Werster will always be a legend for the bonus stream
Such a well made video, great watch and insta sub.
I pick up my gameboy from time to time. I have 2 GBA's, FR, LG, RSE with some duplicates, so i have plenty 380/386 pokemon available.
Im still only at 4/7 Gold and 7/7 Silver. Though i havent done serious effort in Palace and Pike yet, since i need to breed new pokemon. Factory is currently the one tripping me up.
The question is not "why is this speedrun so long". Its "are these people gods amongst us? How do they do it so fast"
I got all my silver symbols in a week with some lucky runs especially in battle palace. My zapdos came in the clutch. Getting further wins to get to the gold symbols for any facility even dome was messed up every time.
Shoutout to all the people who stayed during werster's stream that was one odd day to say the least.
Directors cut is the best way I've ever heard of describing crystal/emerald/plat
Love the Sky Tower music as the opening track.
NEW SWELLMAN VID LETS GOOOOOOOOO
Man i played around in the battle factory for weeks and months as a kid, and literally only ever met the brains for the arena, factory and pike 😅
I'm not even halfway into the video but this is so well made! I completed emerald over 100 times as it is my fav game ever, but I just learn new things with this too. Absolutely well made!
I had no idea there was this much involved, very cool
5:34 ty for music indicators
I cannot imagine speedrunning a game, let alone being known to speedrun a series. I have not yet encountered a game that I could play for that amount of time
Wow, I didn't know the post game of emerald was so extensive. I kinda want to go play it now.
Also, something i see not much people talk about, its the injustice done in the battle frontier, after 3 or 4 levels on each place, the enemies start to deal up to 50% more damage
for example, seismic toss at lvl 100 deals 100 damage. except here which deals 150 damage
Do you get a kick out of spreading misinformation?
not to brag but i could do it way slower
Not to brag but I could like, totally give up before even reaching there.
Not to brag or anything but I could be intimidated by the challenge and not even attempt it
Listening to the Omega Ruins theme from FFX while talking about Pokemon Emerald. Childhood me is geeking out
i remember challenging the battle pike on my first playthrough of emerald as a kid and eventually managed to get lucky enough to see lucy once and get a silver medal. genuinely shocked i did, even now i struggle to do more competent battling than rock paper scissors style plays LMAO
Sky tower is the best theme in any pokemon game ever
Ooooohhhh One Shot music, you're a fckn legend ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤, awesome vid bud, love the BF, best post game ever
I tried to do the battle frontier a few years ago and stopped after I failed the battle factory run on my 39th battle when I lost bc a Lapras activated a quick claw and hit horn drill TWICE IN A ROW
The question I never knew I wanted the answer to
"First the golems, now the birds... Are we ever gonna get an explanation for how you got all these Legendary Pokemon?"
Brandon: *_"NOOOOOOO!!!"_*
Im rather curious how long this would take if you set RNG to best possible outcome along side best possible stat setups for the Pokémon. I’d imagine TAS’ing this would be a near sisyphean task. Honestly, I couldn’t ask someone to do this even if I could pay them a top 1% salary to do it. But golly am I curious
To answer the first question… I beat sun/moon’s main story the night I got it 😅
My parents were concerned. My mom even said “we just bought you a game that you beat in one night? What are you gonna do now?”
This was followed by me explaining to her how pokemon worked and that I wouldn’t get bored even though I ‘beat’ the game
Just to respond to your intro real fast, old enough hardcore pokemon fans remember what happened when the internal battery of gen 1 games ran out. Once that happened, there was no save file that could survive your gameboy being off for a few seconds.
This meant a lot of kids HAD to learn to play their gen 1 games in 1 sitting.
I probably did about 30 runs like that after I got over the trauma of my original file being gone forever. My fastest was about 3 and a half hours with solo blastoise + hm slaves, which is nowhere near what optimized speedruns do with nidoking but still feels pretty good for a kid who was 9 years old at the time and was doing the routing entirely on his own without help from the internet.
Genuinely curious what people do about food/water/bathroom during these long speedruns. Are breaks and pauses allowed?
Thank you for using sky tower theme :)
why am i just now learning about how cool the frontier brain sprites are?
my current emerald all gold symbols speed run is nearing on about 8 years bc i cant beat the battle factory for gold lmaooooo
this frontier, coupled with the fact that it has been proven that the ai tends to generate teams which beat yours... shoutouts to the wonder guard sableye forcing the ai to use fire fang which only the ai would know it can always hit wonder guard users
My favorite Pokémon game combined with the awesome backround music of Final Fantasy X. True love
1:29 kinda sounded like a discord notification lol
That Red Rescue Team rendition of Sky Tower is so nostalgic. It's so much better than the yucky Blue Rescue Team version.
I never got the chance to play tbe battle frontier, but looking at this video just makes me wonder not only how some of these are even fun (battle palace especially), but also how the fuck kids were supposed to do some of this shit
where did you get the second N sound in Shedinja?? there's only one N
To the last challenge you can use protect for defensive move
Smt iv black market ost is ballin
Great video
16:01 even the frontier brain (almost) knows the meta
In moon I bred half a box full of kadabra with synchronize and various natures
20:32 THE WAY I GOT JUMPSCARED BY THAT ONESHOT OST MAN🙏
This video felt like it took 17 hours to watch
turn it up to1.25x speed then
I honestly didn't even know about this, but I was also like 8 or 9 when I played emerald the first time.