I appreciate the summary at the end. A lot of army list videos don’t do that, so I have to just pay close attention for peoples auto includes across the board myself.
@@Wind-Whistler but its still 20 of them with lethal and precision. i think the idea is to make them an assassination squad to deep strike, get a reliable charge, and kill an inconvenient character despite their bodyguard
Really like this kind of video, the recap slide of the main trends at the end was good! Would be interesting to know the layouts used for the different tournaments, I feel sometimes it helps a lot in understanding the units choices in the list.
Interesting lists. I find Infiltrators pretty useful and am actually considering adding a Phobos Librarian to them because then they can sleep-in points where the opponent has to come forward, which is double useful as they tend to stay as far away as possible :') Great vid again!
“Death Company are bad now, death company are overcosted” I keep hearing this and apparently they aren’t since they’re winning. My guess is just people complaining to complain but this proves them wrong. My rule of thumb is if tournaments are using a unit it HAS to be good otherwise they wouldn’t take it.
Thanks for another great video, John! I'm still trying to find the right way to put my army together so it's both fun to play with and against and have some of my favourite units in it without being completely ineffective, so it was quite fun to both see some familiar picks and inspiring to see something completely different compared to my current army list
Great video mate thanks for the upload and the info. I liked the summary points at the end. Really surprised to see double death company bricks doing so well and not so many bladeguard.
I like that we have 1 tournament detachment. I like being able to make a lore fluff list. If the DC detachment was meta we'd only see black armor blood angel armies. Everything shouldn't be aimed at tournaments. I wish people would understand that and let us have our non meta fluff detachments for friendly games that feel like our non meta fluff lists.
I can see some strong themes and glad to see the double DC bricks! Centurions are fierce, but I’d rather have more of them and advance the first couple of turns than put them in expensive land raiders. No one is running my exact list for Leics, will be fun to see how it fairs.
I got a list for your Sunday Show (even though you probably got a back log a mile long). Idk what the meta change in list design has been, but as a CSM player (Renegade Raiders) as well I would argue that the Predator Destructor is low key the BEST Vehicle unit in the game. And I love that Space Marine players are keeping this Tank Relevant. I hope none of the Rhino chassis go away in the 11th edition. I also can't wait until players start realizing all the "hidden" units within the SM Codex like the Incursors (+1 to hit for everyone else shooting that target) + Storm Speeder Hailstrike (+1 AP for everyone else shooting that target) combo and it's 195pts (effectively it gives the SM player a Renegade Raiders light detachment rule to your army) and in a Ironstorm Spearhead Detachment your Predator Autocannons becoming BS3+(+1 to hit), S9, AP-3 (vs infantry), Damage 3. And you get your one reroll of Hit/Wound/Damage. But either I'm just rambling.... Space Marines Blood Angels Strike Force (2000 points) Liberator Assault Group CHARACTERS Captain with Jump Pack (110 points) • Warlord • 1x Powerfist 1x Plasma Pistol • Enhancement: Speed of the Primarch Chief Librarian Mephiston (125 points) • 1x Fury of the Ancients 1x Plasma pistol 1x Vitarus Judiciar (85 points) • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Executioner relic blade • Enhancement: Gift of Foresight Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 points) • 1x Combi-weapon 1x Paired combat blades Techmarine (55 points) • 1x Forge bolter 1x Grav-pistol 1x Omnissian power axe 1x Servo-arm BATTLELINE Assault Intercessor Squad (75 points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant • 1x Powerfist 1x Plasma Pistol • 4x Assault Intercessor • 4x Astartes chainsword 4x Heavy bolt pistol OTHER DATASHEETS Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 points) • 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant • 1x Heavy bolt pistol 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 5x Bladeguard Veteran • 5x Heavy bolt pistol 5x Master-crafted power weapon Centurion Assault Squad (150 points) • 1x Assault Centurion Sergeant • 1x Centurion bolters 1x Siege drills 1x Twin meltagun • 2x Assault Centurion • 2x Centurion bolters 2x Siege drills 2x Twin meltagun Centurion Assault Squad (150 points) • 1x Assault Centurion Sergeant • 1x Centurion bolters 1x Siege drills 1x Twin meltagun • 2x Assault Centurion • 2x Centurion bolters 2x Siege drills 2x Twin meltagun Gladiator Lancer (160 points) • 1x Armoured hull 1x Icarus rocket pod 1x Ironhail heavy stubber 1x Lancer laser destroyer 2x Storm bolter Predator Destructor (130 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 2x Lascannon 1x Predator autocannon 1x Storm bolter Predator Destructor (130 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 2x Lascannon 1x Predator autocannon 1x Storm bolter Repulsor (180 points) • 1x Armoured hull 1x Hunter-slayer missile 1x Las-talon 1x Repulsor defensive array 1x Twin lascannon Sanguinary Guard (270 points) • 6x Sanguinary Guard • 4x Angelus boltgun 6x Encarmine blade 2x Inferno pistol 1x Sanguinary Banner Scout Squad (65 points) • 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout • 4x Bolt pistol 2x Boltgun 4x Close combat weapon 1x Missile launcher 1x Scout sniper rifle Scout Squad (65 points) • 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout • 4x Bolt pistol 2x Boltgun 4x Close combat weapon 1x Missile launcher 1x Scout sniper rifle Character "heavy" but 3 of the 5 are effectively are always going to have some sort of lone op. The Tech-Marine in a practice game after having a vehicle destroyed within 12" of him becomes really powerful, almost to the point that I think Rage-Fueled Warrior would see better play with him (he can lead Assault Intercessors (which is he in my list to prove/disprove a theory to practice)
Hi John. Nice to see a slightly different format of breaking down multiple lists. Solid video! One critique though. Is it possible to tone down the red dot a bit? I found it distracting at times where it was zipping around that I was focusing on it instead of what you were saying.
It's very nice to have this many options that work. It seems that not that long ago, you were getting incredibly frustrated that all the lists were the same in the Sanguinary Guard meta. Between this and the Crimson Lords, we kind of have everything we want.
John I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of the dmg output for the LAG Rage Fuelled Warrior Captain with Fist compared to Relic weapon. I think people are just asuming that the fist is better due to S10 but the only time it's going to be relevant on the charge is vs specifically T7-10 and I believe most of the datasheets in the game with that Toughness value will just die regardless to the Captain the turn he goes all out. The extra attack gives you a 33% chance to roll an additional 6 so it would be interesting to see how the math pans out. Personally I'm running mine with an eviscerator and calling it a relic weapon (shoutout to my boy Seth, may his spirit live on in every 6 rolled with Rage Fuelled Warrior)
Thank you for this review. I am 5 games deep with my Blood Angels to mixed results. My common opponent has been World Eaters. Its been brutal. I can say that Ballistus and Gladiator Lancers make him afraid. (ie he runs Angron a lot) and one game he ran a Lord of Skulls. So my thought is x2 Ballistus, x2 Lancers for Fire Support. I have not had great luck with Astorath or Lemartes and the big brick of DC. Bad dice rolls did me in on both occasions and they just arent hitting hard enough. Although last game Lemartes unit had the Strategem that gives them Lance and on top of the Lethals he grants already. That was pretty nasty. Wiped a unit of Zerkers off an objective and put the fights first Master of Executions on 1 Wound. Still 6+FNP isnt as survivable so I subscribe to your thinking that DC are a little pricey. Im thinking of going back to normal JPI. At least they get the mortals on the charge.
People mentioned the WTC lists are already out, but also the rules updates that will most likely be added in the next update. The updated rule that caught my eye was "a unit doing an action can still be a target for the overwatch strat." So it makes Baal preds a little more interesting.
Went 3-0 at at RT last week, flamer aggressors with fights first on a gravis capt, 2 max sang guard one with Dante and one with Capt, 2 ballistus, 1 Brutalis and 1 vindicator from reserves. I love to see the variety in lists having success.
I imagine the Reivers were chosen due to the synergy wit the LT.'s Strategic Dispersal rule. The rules allow for the D6 movement even if the unit has come in from reserves, allowing for better charges. And with the bonuses from the LAG, Reivers aren't that bad in combat.
Feel like I need to get some impulsors but damn £52.50 RRP is a bit if you want a few of them. Looks like the best idea is get Gladiators and magnetize them. £42.75 off my local guy. Or get the Black Templars Combat Patrol and flog everything else in it.
@@jmswillow5969 Repulsors do see play in Space Marines, but more so in the shootier chapters. Their rules make them more efficient for transporting ranged units like hellblasters and erradicators.
ive been running 3x assault cents with BA captain + assault in a redeemer Also a Stormraven with 5x DC Marines 5x DC Marines with bolters (Cheeky heroic) 1x Chaplain 1x Techmarine and a deathcompany dreadnaught.
Regarding Scouts, I still always run the missile launcher. I’d still always rather have the 1 strength 9 shot in shooting vs 1 extra strength 6 melee attack. Sniper Rifle I leave at home tho lol.
Can someone share a link, or guide me in the right direction for me creating a chapter/chapter master? I'm having alot of difficulty finding the info for creating a chapter master for my girls, and myself.
Don't agree at all. Wtc terrain allows for amazing LoS hiding and staging. We don't need to shoot abd expose ourselves. Screening with Infiltrators and staging with mass melee is 100% a competitive build. WE are definitely a competitive faction and we are World Eaters but better. If you are playing UKTC or GW terrain then 400pts of shooting is recommended
Nice to see a lot of range in good lists, even if they’re only good in local metas. Seeing previous lists of nothing but powerfist DC just got boring. Seems like the codex has forced us players to adapt in our own ways
Everyone is sleeping on Jump Pack Intercessors. They are, far and away, the best unit in our codex. It's not even close. For 160 points you get 10 models (16 ppm), T4, 20 wounds, 3+ and you will get cover. SG, by comparison are 270 points (45 ppm), ALSO T4, 2+/4++ (so yes, a whole lot more survivable), 18 wounds, -1 to hit and wound in melee (assuming they're lead) Granted, having 3 wounds is **far** superior to having 2 wounds per model as it reduces the efficiency of very prevalent 2 Damage weapons (plasma, power weapons, etc) by about 25% So why are JPI so much better in my opinion? Mortal wounds. On the charge, JPI deal 13 damage to terminators: 5 mortal wounds (pick up 1 termi, 2 wounds to a second), 6.67 wounds from chainswords. Low estimate is that it picks up 2 more terminators (3 in total, now) and reasonable chainsword picks termi #4, but let's say it's 2/3 wounds. Chainfist on average will do 1-2 usaved wounds. So, low estimate 4 dead terminators, very likely 5. Sanguinary guard deal 6-7 unsaved wounds on average. Here's the rub: Blades are D2. So 3 dead terminators with very likely 2 wounds on Terminator #4. For a unit that is nearly 3x as expensive per point per model. So what about intercessors? Sanguinary guard do much better. 27.78 unsaved wounds. 2 damage weapons. They're forcing you to pick up... wait a second.... 13 models. JPI? They charge and hit for 18 unsaved damage on average.... for 9 models. So about 18% of sanguinary guard damage goes wasted. However, JPI are far less likely to kill the Sgt (and any attached heroes). But remember, you also paid 110 MORE points for SG. That's a captain with RFW and points to spare. When you look at the efficiency (in terms of PPW), JPI are over twice as efficient for their points. Let's talk bigger targets. SG deal 8.89 damage to a Leman Russ, JPI daeal 9.22. SG deal 11.11 damage to a Lancer, JPI deal 11.78. SG deal 6.7 to ANGRON and JPI deal 9.22. Guys... I really think if you aren't running as many JPI as you possibly can you are missing out. Are SG much more likley to threaten and survive on objectives? Yeah. But JPI with either RFW captains or (if not RFW) CHAPLAINS (+1 to wound on 45xS6 chainsword attacks on the charge) is our hammer unit.
Jan's first list is exactly why I can't stand 10th edition right now. 5 Tanks is ridiculous. In 9th edition you were restricted to 3 Tanks no matter which tanks you added because each army had a Force Organization which placed a cap on each Unit Category. You could use a different Force Organization Charat which costs you a -2 CP. FYI, Joel's list can only have 1 character out of the 2 Bladeguard units. The 2 Captains can't join a BGV unit because a Cpatain must be equipped with a Relic Shield which limits your weapon choice to a Master Crafted Power Weapon. In LAG, why aren't we seeing more Lieutenant's attached to Assault 10 Assault Intercessors for the falling back and charging to regain the +2 Str and +1 attacks in addition to Lethal hits with the entire unit rerolling wound rolls of 1 or rerolling all wound rolls when attacking a unit on an objective? Whats up with the lack of Sanguinary Blood Priests? He could easily be added alongside the Assault Intercessors and add an additional -1 AP on the unit's chainswords combined with the Lieutenant's Fall-back, shoot and charge to regain the bonus from the Red Thirst with everyone gaining Lethal hits. I almost forgot about the Priest's 5+ FnP for some great durability especially if you decide to use AoC. You end up with a 12 Model unit of Assault Intercessors wielding their chainswords with 5 attacks each at Str 6, AP -2, Lethal hits and rerolling wound rolls while gaining first strike from the fall back and charge amd the 5+ FnP will help the unit block mortal wounds. The Sergeant can take a Powerfist and Plasma Pistol giving his powerfist 4 attacks with a Str of 10, AP -3, 2 damage and lethal hits. Finally, the Lieutenant mirrors the Sargeant's weapon loadout except he is hitting with his Power Fist on a 2+... As a Necron playerI can tell you that an 85 Point Technomancer ho also gives his unit a 5+ FnP is clutch since al it takes is 1 successful 5+ FnP roll to keep a 2 wound interecessor alive with the Wound Characteristic of 2. I also found it strange with the lack of players skipping on the Outriders considering how much the Red Thirst boosts their Attacks in addition to being able to turbo boost their bikes for an auto advance of 6". If I recall their is a Strat in LAG that can give a unit's the assault ability so they ccab shoot, and I think the detachment has either an enhancement or Strat which can give a unit of outriders advance and charge. I was also surprised no one took Aggressors with twin linked Power fists and twin linked bolters on their fists along with grenade launchers? or Terminators? Also, no Terminator units being led by a Terminator Chaplain for the +1 to Wound and the 4+ FnP Mortal Wounds?
Hi John, an army list for the army list show Blood angels 1000 (985 Points) Space Marines Blood Angels Liberator Assault Group Incursion (1000 Points) CHARACTERS Captain with Jump Pack (95 Points) • Warlord • 1x Astartes chainsword • 1x Heavy bolt pistol • Enhancements: Rage-fuelled Warrior Chief Librarian Mephiston (125 Points) • 1x Fury of the Ancients • 1x Plasma pistol • 1x Vitarus BATTLELINE Assault Intercessor Squad (75 Points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant ◦ 1x Plasma pistol ◦ 1x Power fist • 4x Assault Intercessor ◦ 4x Astartes chainsword ◦ 4x Heavy bolt pistol OTHER DATASHEETS Ballistus Dreadnought (130 Points) • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Ballistus lascannon • 1x Ballistus missile launcher • 1x Twin storm bolter Outrider Squad (80 Points) • 1x Outrider Sergeant ◦ 1x Astartes chainsword ◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 1x Twin bolt rifle • 2x Outrider ◦ 2x Astartes chainsword ◦ 2x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 2x Twin bolt rifle Sanguinary Guard (135 Points) • 3x Sanguinary Guard ◦ 2x Angelus boltgun ◦ 3x Encarmine blade ◦ 1x Inferno pistol ◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner Terminator Squad (170 Points) • 1x Terminator Sergeant ◦ 1x Power fist ◦ 1x Storm bolter • 4x Terminator ◦ 1x Chainfist ◦ 3x Power fist ◦ 4x Storm bolter Vindicator (175 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks • 1x Demolisher cannon • 1x Hunter-killer missile • 1x Storm bolter Exported with App Version: v1.22.0 (48), Data Version: v488 I play 1000 points so I try to follow most of your guidelines but they’re not quite as simple at 1000 because for example if you take 2 tanks/vehicles you’re going to struggle to stay at the right proportion of melee but I feel most of our jump melee that used to kill tanks is now too expensive at 1000-death company have chaplain tax and aren’t as good, but sang guard are a bit expensive for 6. I also think there’s more of a premium on units that are flexible at 1000. This is why I like terminators and vindicator. So here’s my attempt to square the circle. Ballistus is my home field as it can contribute flexible fire from there but is also resilient and if I need to I can walk it forward and tank shock something. Most of the rest of my army can contest the middle objectives. Sang guard and captain are the mobile reserve. Mephiston is utility but also can contribute damage vs most things, be they armour or MSU, which there are more of at this points level. I may also use him to guard my terminators with his heroic/fight first. I am not sure if I have enough utility units. Main dilemmas: get rid of Mephiston for 3 more sang guard? Could cover my home objective with intercessors to feee ups some points as they’re nice and flexible but they’re just not as scary as the ballistus.
Hi I'm new to 40k and I finally made a list. I was wondering if I can get some feedback and what you think can be modified. Thank you 😊 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels + DETACHMENT: Liberator Assault Group + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1965pts + + WARLORD: Char1: Commander Dante + ENHANCEMENT: + NUMBER OF UNITS: 11 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (2x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 3 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Commander Dante (130 pts): Warlord, Perdition, The Axe Mortalis Char2: 1x Lemartes (110 pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, The Blood Crozius Char3: 1x The Sanguinor (140 pts): Encarmine Broadsword 10x Death Company Marines (180 pts) 7 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Thunder Hammer, Inferno Pistol 2 with Eviscerator, Heavy Bolt Pistol 10x Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (240 pts) 5 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Power Fist, Inferno Pistol 1 with Power Fist, Hand Flamer 1 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Eviscerator, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol 5x Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (130 pts) 2 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Power Fist, Hand Flamer 1 with Eviscerator, Heavy Bolt Pistol 1 with Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol 6x Sanguinary Guard (270 pts) 5 with Encarmine Spear, Angelus Boltgun 1 with Encarmine Spear, Inferno Pistol 5x Terminator Squad (170 pts) • 4x Terminator 1 with Chainfist, Storm Bolter 1 with Chainfist, Assault Cannon 2 with Power Fist, Storm Bolter • 1x Terminator Sergeant: Storm Bolter, Power Weapon 1x Ballistus Dreadnought (130 pts): Armoured Feet, Ballistus Lascannon, Ballistus Missile Launcher, Twin Storm Bolter 1x Death Company Dreadnought (180 pts): Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Blood Talons, Twin Multi-melta 1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault
The only thing I’ve noticed with him is since he’s damage D3 in melee he can be kinda swingy. Since he’s fast as hell I find he works well in 2 cases: 1) as a skirmishing unit like jump intercessors, or 2) for soaking up damage
@hussamgunter7381 pretty much this. I use him for both every match. Send him off to a side objective to be annoying and force my opponent to commit to that side of the board or let me score for free.
Blood for the Blood Angels! Skulls for the Chaplains! Comments for the algorithm!
This is a great video idea. I like seeing what is actually winning games in addition to just theorizing about army lists
I appreciate the summary at the end. A lot of army list videos don’t do that, so I have to just pay close attention for peoples auto includes across the board myself.
14:37 Everyone take a shot! Love the video man.
Cool thing about the reivers with the Lt, is they can pretty reliably charge from deep strike. drop 9 away, shoot, move d6, charge.
Clever.
It is very clever. But all those attacks are still AP 0 😔
@@Wind-Whistler but its still 20 of them with lethal and precision. i think the idea is to make them an assassination squad to deep strike, get a reliable charge, and kill an inconvenient character despite their bodyguard
Really like this kind of video, the recap slide of the main trends at the end was good! Would be interesting to know the layouts used for the different tournaments, I feel sometimes it helps a lot in understanding the units choices in the list.
Interesting lists.
I find Infiltrators pretty useful and am actually considering adding a Phobos Librarian to them because then they can sleep-in points where the opponent has to come forward, which is double useful as they tend to stay as far away as possible :')
Great vid again!
“Death Company are bad now, death company are overcosted” I keep hearing this and apparently they aren’t since they’re winning. My guess is just people complaining to complain but this proves them wrong. My rule of thumb is if tournaments are using a unit it HAS to be good otherwise they wouldn’t take it.
Thanks for another great video, John! I'm still trying to find the right way to put my army together so it's both fun to play with and against and have some of my favourite units in it without being completely ineffective, so it was quite fun to both see some familiar picks and inspiring to see something completely different compared to my current army list
That double infiltrator/double Phobos librarian feels like a response to aquilions
Would be good to do an analysis of the WTC lists! There are some interesting ones too and some clear themes. Mcfisto captain in an impulsor in 80%+
Great video mate thanks for the upload and the info. I liked the summary points at the end. Really surprised to see double death company bricks doing so well and not so many bladeguard.
Superb analysis.
I like that we have 1 tournament detachment. I like being able to make a lore fluff list. If the DC detachment was meta we'd only see black armor blood angel armies. Everything shouldn't be aimed at tournaments. I wish people would understand that and let us have our non meta fluff detachments for friendly games that feel like our non meta fluff lists.
Good video overall. Thank you
Good point of view my friend! Thanks for sharing!
Angelic Host is tournament viable, but it’s completely unforgiving on mistakes
love the content keep up the great work got a rtt tomorrow wish me luck
Good luck!!
Great video. Keep the theme coming 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks so much for all your work.
I can see some strong themes and glad to see the double DC bricks! Centurions are fierce, but I’d rather have more of them and advance the first couple of turns than put them in expensive land raiders. No one is running my exact list for Leics, will be fun to see how it fairs.
I got a list for your Sunday Show (even though you probably got a back log a mile long). Idk what the meta change in list design has been, but as a CSM player (Renegade Raiders) as well I would argue that the Predator Destructor is low key the BEST Vehicle unit in the game. And I love that Space Marine players are keeping this Tank Relevant. I hope none of the Rhino chassis go away in the 11th edition. I also can't wait until players start realizing all the "hidden" units within the SM Codex like the Incursors (+1 to hit for everyone else shooting that target) + Storm Speeder Hailstrike (+1 AP for everyone else shooting that target) combo and it's 195pts (effectively it gives the SM player a Renegade Raiders light detachment rule to your army) and in a Ironstorm Spearhead Detachment your Predator Autocannons becoming BS3+(+1 to hit), S9, AP-3 (vs infantry), Damage 3. And you get your one reroll of Hit/Wound/Damage. But either I'm just rambling....
Space Marines
Blood Angels
Strike Force (2000 points)
Liberator Assault Group
CHARACTERS
Captain with Jump Pack (110 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Powerfist
1x Plasma Pistol
• Enhancement: Speed of the Primarch
Chief Librarian Mephiston (125 points)
• 1x Fury of the Ancients
1x Plasma pistol
1x Vitarus
Judiciar (85 points)
• 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
1x Executioner relic blade
• Enhancement: Gift of Foresight
Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 points)
• 1x Combi-weapon
1x Paired combat blades
Techmarine (55 points)
• 1x Forge bolter
1x Grav-pistol
1x Omnissian power axe
1x Servo-arm
BATTLELINE
Assault Intercessor Squad (75 points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant
• 1x Powerfist
1x Plasma Pistol
• 4x Assault Intercessor
• 4x Astartes chainsword
4x Heavy bolt pistol
OTHER DATASHEETS
Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 points)
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
• 1x Heavy bolt pistol
1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
• 5x Heavy bolt pistol
5x Master-crafted power weapon
Centurion Assault Squad (150 points)
• 1x Assault Centurion Sergeant
• 1x Centurion bolters
1x Siege drills
1x Twin meltagun
• 2x Assault Centurion
• 2x Centurion bolters
2x Siege drills
2x Twin meltagun
Centurion Assault Squad (150 points)
• 1x Assault Centurion Sergeant
• 1x Centurion bolters
1x Siege drills
1x Twin meltagun
• 2x Assault Centurion
• 2x Centurion bolters
2x Siege drills
2x Twin meltagun
Gladiator Lancer (160 points)
• 1x Armoured hull
1x Icarus rocket pod
1x Ironhail heavy stubber
1x Lancer laser destroyer
2x Storm bolter
Predator Destructor (130 points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Hunter-killer missile
2x Lascannon
1x Predator autocannon
1x Storm bolter
Predator Destructor (130 points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
1x Hunter-killer missile
2x Lascannon
1x Predator autocannon
1x Storm bolter
Repulsor (180 points)
• 1x Armoured hull
1x Hunter-slayer missile
1x Las-talon
1x Repulsor defensive array
1x Twin lascannon
Sanguinary Guard (270 points)
• 6x Sanguinary Guard
• 4x Angelus boltgun
6x Encarmine blade
2x Inferno pistol
1x Sanguinary Banner
Scout Squad (65 points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
• 1x Astartes chainsword
1x Bolt pistol
1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
• 4x Bolt pistol
2x Boltgun
4x Close combat weapon
1x Missile launcher
1x Scout sniper rifle
Scout Squad (65 points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
• 1x Astartes chainsword
1x Bolt pistol
1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
• 4x Bolt pistol
2x Boltgun
4x Close combat weapon
1x Missile launcher
1x Scout sniper rifle
Character "heavy" but 3 of the 5 are effectively are always going to have some sort of lone op. The Tech-Marine in a practice game after having a vehicle destroyed within 12" of him becomes really powerful, almost to the point that I think Rage-Fueled Warrior would see better play with him (he can lead Assault Intercessors (which is he in my list to prove/disprove a theory to practice)
Great video as always!
Thank you!
Hi John. Nice to see a slightly different format of breaking down multiple lists. Solid video!
One critique though. Is it possible to tone down the red dot a bit? I found it distracting at times where it was zipping around that I was focusing on it instead of what you were saying.
I don't think Google gives much options in terms of the laser pointer on the slides :(
Great video. Miss the mention of the different terrain layouts used at each list
As I'm building a gladiator lancer for my first blood angels army. LOVE IT
It's very nice to have this many options that work. It seems that not that long ago, you were getting incredibly frustrated that all the lists were the same in the Sanguinary Guard meta. Between this and the Crimson Lords, we kind of have everything we want.
John I would be interested in seeing a breakdown of the dmg output for the LAG Rage Fuelled Warrior Captain with Fist compared to Relic weapon. I think people are just asuming that the fist is better due to S10 but the only time it's going to be relevant on the charge is vs specifically T7-10 and I believe most of the datasheets in the game with that Toughness value will just die regardless to the Captain the turn he goes all out. The extra attack gives you a 33% chance to roll an additional 6 so it would be interesting to see how the math pans out.
Personally I'm running mine with an eviscerator and calling it a relic weapon (shoutout to my boy Seth, may his spirit live on in every 6 rolled with Rage Fuelled Warrior)
Thank you for this review. I am 5 games deep with my Blood Angels to mixed results. My common opponent has been World Eaters. Its been brutal. I can say that Ballistus and Gladiator Lancers make him afraid. (ie he runs Angron a lot) and one game he ran a Lord of Skulls. So my thought is x2 Ballistus, x2 Lancers for Fire Support. I have not had great luck with Astorath or Lemartes and the big brick of DC. Bad dice rolls did me in on both occasions and they just arent hitting hard enough. Although last game Lemartes unit had the Strategem that gives them Lance and on top of the Lethals he grants already. That was pretty nasty. Wiped a unit of Zerkers off an objective and put the fights first Master of Executions on 1 Wound. Still 6+FNP isnt as survivable so I subscribe to your thinking that DC are a little pricey. Im thinking of going back to normal JPI. At least they get the mortals on the charge.
So happy to see 2 squads of assault cents, absolutely love the little chubby buggers. Most slept on unit sm have.
People mentioned the WTC lists are already out, but also the rules updates that will most likely be added in the next update. The updated rule that caught my eye was "a unit doing an action can still be a target for the overwatch strat." So it makes Baal preds a little more interesting.
Thanks for the video
Went 3-0 at at RT last week, flamer aggressors with fights first on a gravis capt, 2 max sang guard one with Dante and one with Capt, 2 ballistus, 1 Brutalis and 1 vindicator from reserves. I love to see the variety in lists having success.
What are your thoughts on taking a land raider redeemer and putting a captain w assault intercessors and 6 blade guard w a judiciar in it
Its not mad, just Land Raiders are very pointy!
@ I’d prefer two impulsors but only have one painted up right now
The 2nd and 3rd look like they were built from the DC Box, the old Combat Patrol and new Combat Patrol, plus a few characters. Nice if so.
Question!
For (big guns never tire - Baal predator)
Could you shoot the flamers inside the engagement range?
Yes because they are not blast.
I imagine the Reivers were chosen due to the synergy wit the LT.'s Strategic Dispersal rule. The rules allow for the D6 movement even if the unit has come in from reserves, allowing for better charges. And with the bonuses from the LAG, Reivers aren't that bad in combat.
Hi John. Could you rate this list in the army list show please. I think I have a good list now. Unbeaten so far since new codex. Was running foot ass int with the capt with rage added. Hit and miss if I was able to get them into combat so have dropped them added jpi and stuck rage on a chaplain not run it yet but I think that is an improvement
Lads on tour (1995 Points)
Space Marines
Blood Angels
Liberator Assault Group
Strike Force (2000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Astorath (105 Points)
• 1x The Executioner’s Axe
Chaplain with Jump Pack (85 Points)
• 1x Crozius arcanum
• 1x Power fist
• Enhancements: Rage-fuelled Warrior
Chief Librarian Mephiston (125 Points)
• 1x Fury of the Ancients
• 1x Plasma pistol
• 1x Vitarus
Commander Dante (130 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Perdition Pistol
• 1x The Axe Mortalis
OTHER DATASHEETS
Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 Points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power fist
• 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs
◦ 4x Astartes chainsword
◦ 4x Heavy bolt pistol
Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 Points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power fist
• 4x Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs
◦ 4x Astartes chainsword
◦ 4x Heavy bolt pistol
Ballistus Dreadnought (130 Points)
• 1x Armoured feet
• 1x Ballistus lascannon
• 1x Ballistus missile launcher
• 1x Twin storm bolter
Ballistus Dreadnought (130 Points)
• 1x Armoured feet
• 1x Ballistus lascannon
• 1x Ballistus missile launcher
• 1x Twin storm bolter
Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (240 Points)
• 10x Death Company Marine with Jump Packs
◦ 5x Astartes chainsword
◦ 2x Eviscerator
◦ 7x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 3x Plasma pistol
◦ 3x Power fist
Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (240 Points)
• 10x Death Company Marine with Jump Packs
◦ 5x Astartes chainsword
◦ 2x Eviscerator
◦ 7x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 3x Plasma pistol
◦ 3x Power fist
Infiltrator Squad (100 Points)
• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Marksman bolt carbine
• 4x Infiltrator
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Marksman bolt carbine
Predator Destructor (130 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Hunter-killer missile
• 2x Lascannon
• 1x Predator autocannon
• 1x Storm bolter
Sanguinary Guard (270 Points)
• 6x Sanguinary Guard
◦ 6x Angelus boltgun
◦ 6x Encarmine blade
◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner
Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 1x Astartes shotgun
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Combat knife
◦ 1x Heavy bolter
◦ 1x Scout sniper rifle
Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 1x Astartes shotgun
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 2x Combat knife
◦ 1x Missile launcher
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Feel like I need to get some impulsors but damn £52.50 RRP is a bit if you want a few of them. Looks like the best idea is get Gladiators and magnetize them. £42.75 off my local guy.
Or get the Black Templars Combat Patrol and flog everything else in it.
So from my RTT days. Is it more fun to have a good game or make a list nobody wants to play against?
I think a good game surely!
@ba_commander haven't played 10th ed. Why isn't repulsors used more? They have both anti vehicle and infantry damage.
@@jmswillow5969
Repulsors do see play in Space Marines, but more so in the shootier chapters. Their rules make them more efficient for transporting ranged units like hellblasters and erradicators.
ive been running 3x assault cents with BA captain + assault in a redeemer Also a Stormraven with 5x DC Marines 5x DC Marines with bolters (Cheeky heroic) 1x Chaplain 1x Techmarine and a deathcompany dreadnaught.
So it appears my heavy melee list with 20 DC and 6 sang guard with lots of characters including the rage captain was meta all along
I was wondering when the lists with VV with Inferno Pistols would show up, I always thought they pack quite a punch
Did we see any "normal" Chaplains at all? I don't notice any.
BLOOD
Regarding Scouts, I still always run the missile launcher. I’d still always rather have the 1 strength 9 shot in shooting vs 1 extra strength 6 melee attack. Sniper Rifle I leave at home tho lol.
Good point to be fair.
Can someone share a link, or guide me in the right direction for me creating a chapter/chapter master? I'm having alot of difficulty finding the info for creating a chapter master for my girls, and myself.
Like a bespoke CM? For a custom chapter?
Im surprised outriders arent being used. The advance and charge strategem makes them perfect for maximum threat range
That's why I really love them!
Hybrid / combined approach always better. We're not orks are we.
Don't agree at all. Wtc terrain allows for amazing LoS hiding and staging. We don't need to shoot abd expose ourselves. Screening with Infiltrators and staging with mass melee is 100% a competitive build. WE are definitely a competitive faction and we are World Eaters but better. If you are playing UKTC or GW terrain then 400pts of shooting is recommended
@@antonlukkarinen2648 I just like it.
@@EdGarnham amazing counter argument. If you're only evidence is that "you like it" then don't claim the strategy is "always best"
John Mephiston is not about his damage. It's his lone op, FF, and durability
Surprised Anthony Vanella’s list wasn’t here, he went 7-1, honest had like 7 characters
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to include that. I don’t know how the tournament worked and if it was a potential submarine?
Nice to see a lot of range in good lists, even if they’re only good in local metas. Seeing previous lists of nothing but powerfist DC just got boring. Seems like the codex has forced us players to adapt in our own ways
Everyone is sleeping on Jump Pack Intercessors. They are, far and away, the best unit in our codex. It's not even close.
For 160 points you get 10 models (16 ppm), T4, 20 wounds, 3+ and you will get cover.
SG, by comparison are 270 points (45 ppm), ALSO T4, 2+/4++ (so yes, a whole lot more survivable), 18 wounds, -1 to hit and wound in melee (assuming they're lead)
Granted, having 3 wounds is **far** superior to having 2 wounds per model as it reduces the efficiency of very prevalent 2 Damage weapons (plasma, power weapons, etc) by about 25%
So why are JPI so much better in my opinion? Mortal wounds. On the charge, JPI deal 13 damage to terminators: 5 mortal wounds (pick up 1 termi, 2 wounds to a second), 6.67 wounds from chainswords. Low estimate is that it picks up 2 more terminators (3 in total, now) and reasonable chainsword picks termi #4, but let's say it's 2/3 wounds. Chainfist on average will do 1-2 usaved wounds. So, low estimate 4 dead terminators, very likely 5.
Sanguinary guard deal 6-7 unsaved wounds on average. Here's the rub: Blades are D2. So 3 dead terminators with very likely 2 wounds on Terminator #4. For a unit that is nearly 3x as expensive per point per model.
So what about intercessors? Sanguinary guard do much better. 27.78 unsaved wounds. 2 damage weapons. They're forcing you to pick up... wait a second.... 13 models. JPI? They charge and hit for 18 unsaved damage on average.... for 9 models. So about 18% of sanguinary guard damage goes wasted. However, JPI are far less likely to kill the Sgt (and any attached heroes). But remember, you also paid 110 MORE points for SG. That's a captain with RFW and points to spare. When you look at the efficiency (in terms of PPW), JPI are over twice as efficient for their points.
Let's talk bigger targets. SG deal 8.89 damage to a Leman Russ, JPI daeal 9.22. SG deal 11.11 damage to a Lancer, JPI deal 11.78. SG deal 6.7 to ANGRON and JPI deal 9.22.
Guys... I really think if you aren't running as many JPI as you possibly can you are missing out. Are SG much more likley to threaten and survive on objectives? Yeah. But JPI with either RFW captains or (if not RFW) CHAPLAINS (+1 to wound on 45xS6 chainsword attacks on the charge) is our hammer unit.
Of course I buy 2 Glads-
Only to have them not be competitive.
One was in the WCW lists :)
Jan's first list is exactly why I can't stand 10th edition right now. 5 Tanks is ridiculous. In 9th edition you were restricted to 3 Tanks no matter which tanks you added because each army had a Force Organization which placed a cap on each Unit Category. You could use a different Force Organization Charat which costs you a -2 CP.
FYI, Joel's list can only have 1 character out of the 2 Bladeguard units. The 2 Captains can't join a BGV unit because a Cpatain must be equipped with a Relic Shield which limits your weapon choice to a Master Crafted Power Weapon.
In LAG, why aren't we seeing more Lieutenant's attached to Assault 10 Assault Intercessors for the falling back and charging to regain the +2 Str and +1 attacks in addition to Lethal hits with the entire unit rerolling wound rolls of 1 or rerolling all wound rolls when attacking a unit on an objective? Whats up with the lack of Sanguinary Blood Priests? He could easily be added alongside the Assault Intercessors and add an additional -1 AP on the unit's chainswords combined with the Lieutenant's Fall-back, shoot and charge to regain the bonus from the Red Thirst with everyone gaining Lethal hits. I almost forgot about the Priest's 5+ FnP for some great durability especially if you decide to use AoC.
You end up with a 12 Model unit of Assault Intercessors wielding their chainswords with 5 attacks each at Str 6, AP -2, Lethal hits and rerolling wound rolls while gaining first strike from the fall back and charge amd the 5+ FnP will help the unit block mortal wounds. The Sergeant can take a Powerfist and Plasma Pistol giving his powerfist 4 attacks with a Str of 10, AP -3, 2 damage and lethal hits.
Finally, the Lieutenant mirrors the Sargeant's weapon loadout except he is hitting with his Power Fist on a 2+...
As a Necron playerI can tell you that an 85 Point Technomancer ho also gives his unit a 5+ FnP is clutch since al it takes is 1 successful 5+ FnP roll to keep a 2 wound interecessor alive with the Wound Characteristic of 2.
I also found it strange with the lack of players skipping on the Outriders considering how much the Red Thirst boosts their Attacks in addition to being able to turbo boost their bikes for an auto advance of 6". If I recall their is a Strat in LAG that can give a unit's the assault ability so they ccab shoot, and I think the detachment has either an enhancement or Strat which can give a unit of outriders advance and charge.
I was also surprised no one took Aggressors with twin linked Power fists and twin linked bolters on their fists along with grenade launchers? or Terminators? Also, no Terminator units being led by a Terminator Chaplain for the +1 to Wound and the 4+ FnP Mortal Wounds?
Hi John, an army list for the army list show
Blood angels 1000 (985 Points)
Space Marines
Blood Angels
Liberator Assault Group
Incursion (1000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Captain with Jump Pack (95 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Astartes chainsword
• 1x Heavy bolt pistol
• Enhancements: Rage-fuelled Warrior
Chief Librarian Mephiston (125 Points)
• 1x Fury of the Ancients
• 1x Plasma pistol
• 1x Vitarus
BATTLELINE
Assault Intercessor Squad (75 Points)
• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power fist
• 4x Assault Intercessor
◦ 4x Astartes chainsword
◦ 4x Heavy bolt pistol
OTHER DATASHEETS
Ballistus Dreadnought (130 Points)
• 1x Armoured feet
• 1x Ballistus lascannon
• 1x Ballistus missile launcher
• 1x Twin storm bolter
Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Twin bolt rifle
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Astartes chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 2x Twin bolt rifle
Sanguinary Guard (135 Points)
• 3x Sanguinary Guard
◦ 2x Angelus boltgun
◦ 3x Encarmine blade
◦ 1x Inferno pistol
◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner
Terminator Squad (170 Points)
• 1x Terminator Sergeant
◦ 1x Power fist
◦ 1x Storm bolter
• 4x Terminator
◦ 1x Chainfist
◦ 3x Power fist
◦ 4x Storm bolter
Vindicator (175 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Demolisher cannon
• 1x Hunter-killer missile
• 1x Storm bolter
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I play 1000 points so I try to follow most of your guidelines but they’re not quite as simple at 1000 because for example if you take 2 tanks/vehicles you’re going to struggle to stay at the right proportion of melee but I feel most of our jump melee that used to kill tanks is now too expensive at 1000-death company have chaplain tax and aren’t as good, but sang guard are a bit expensive for 6. I also think there’s more of a premium on units that are flexible at 1000. This is why I like terminators and vindicator. So here’s my attempt to square the circle. Ballistus is my home field as it can contribute flexible fire from there but is also resilient and if I need to I can walk it forward and tank shock something. Most of the rest of my army can contest the middle objectives. Sang guard and captain are the mobile reserve. Mephiston is utility but also can contribute damage vs most things, be they armour or MSU, which there are more of at this points level. I may also use him to guard my terminators with his heroic/fight first. I am not sure if I have enough utility units. Main dilemmas: get rid of Mephiston for 3 more sang guard? Could cover my home objective with intercessors to feee ups some points as they’re nice and flexible but they’re just not as scary as the ballistus.
Dude I have no idea if I reviewed you or not at this point, you have so many comments of lists.. :(
@ yes sorry about that, just bin it, you gave me some great points on the one a few weeks ago. Sorry to cause confusion / extra work
Hi I'm new to 40k and I finally made a list. I was wondering if I can get some feedback and what you think can be modified. Thank you 😊
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+ FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels
+ DETACHMENT: Liberator Assault Group
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1965pts
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+ WARLORD: Char1: Commander Dante
+ ENHANCEMENT:
+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 11
+ SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (2x2) + (1x4) - Assassination: 3 Characters
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Char1: 1x Commander Dante (130 pts): Warlord, Perdition, The Axe Mortalis
Char2: 1x Lemartes (110 pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, The Blood Crozius
Char3: 1x The Sanguinor (140 pts): Encarmine Broadsword
10x Death Company Marines (180 pts)
7 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Thunder Hammer, Inferno Pistol
2 with Eviscerator, Heavy Bolt Pistol
10x Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (240 pts)
5 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Power Fist, Inferno Pistol
1 with Power Fist, Hand Flamer
1 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Eviscerator, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol
5x Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (130 pts)
2 with Astartes Chainsword, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Power Fist, Hand Flamer
1 with Eviscerator, Heavy Bolt Pistol
1 with Power Fist, Heavy Bolt Pistol
6x Sanguinary Guard (270 pts)
5 with Encarmine Spear, Angelus Boltgun
1 with Encarmine Spear, Inferno Pistol
5x Terminator Squad (170 pts)
• 4x Terminator
1 with Chainfist, Storm Bolter
1 with Chainfist, Assault Cannon
2 with Power Fist, Storm Bolter
• 1x Terminator Sergeant: Storm Bolter, Power Weapon
1x Ballistus Dreadnought (130 pts): Armoured Feet, Ballistus Lascannon, Ballistus Missile Launcher, Twin Storm Bolter
1x Death Company Dreadnought (180 pts): Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Blood Talons, Twin Multi-melta
1x Land Raider Redeemer (285 pts): Armoured Tracks, 2x Flamestorm Cannon, Hunter Killer Missile, Multi-melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Assault
I'm not surprised Mepheston is popular. He's been pulling his weight in every game I've used him in for the most part.
The only thing I’ve noticed with him is since he’s damage D3 in melee he can be kinda swingy. Since he’s fast as hell I find he works well in 2 cases: 1) as a skirmishing unit like jump intercessors, or 2) for soaking up damage
@hussamgunter7381 pretty much this. I use him for both every match. Send him off to a side objective to be annoying and force my opponent to commit to that side of the board or let me score for free.