The Dark Science of Steroids
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Natty bros, drop your PRs
225 (kg) Bench press
Haters say its fake
You forgot to mention the old roidz rage as a side effect. I had a friend open admitting he took steroids and, although being a very good chap liked and respected by everyone, when he raged out he just took it straight on everyone, even older people. He _clicked_ like he was having some sort of a PTSD fit. He never hurt anyone but, in his own words, when this happens just let me rant until I _run out of fuel._
240lbs bench and 390lbs squat!
Me. I say its fake. Why tf wouldn't you post a lift like that@@Wow-st2gp
185 lb strict press for 4 reps is probably my best lift. That or bent rows 225 for 8
“Be careful man, I heard that stuff does funny things to your balls.” -Niko Bellic
Only OGs will know 😂
It shrunk my balls but that’s ok. I was tired of them hanging between my knees
No way, I played through that part 2 days ago!
I believe it was referred to Brucie
@@LinkinPark4Ever1996 yes it was
make your dick hang lower than your balls😂
Rich Piana. (RIP)
so in conclusion, the grinch’s heart grew not from his newfound love for Christmas, but from his extreme cycle of anabolics.
🤣
U’re funny dude 😆
Best comment
fr.... bro was big af under all that green fur
Bruh
Probably don't want to say "He had a big heart" at the funeral in cases like this.
dat edgy funeral home humour 💯💯💯
Jesus, 😅😂😂😂
also dont say he had smoll bolls
genuinely whenever i hear people say that with like loving inetion this is what i think of. likea physically large heart.
im also autistic, how could you tell?
Well, that was a heartless comment
It blows my mind that in 2024, you have to blur out the word ‘death’, even in text, because the TH-cam algorithm can’t figure out that this is a medical research channel and that it doesn’t violate the TOS. They still can’t get it tight
like that on purpose its about deception.
Censorship is the only tool DARPA has since the truth is in opposition to the state.
It's pathetic yes
You don't have to, these TH-camrs have no balls, plenty of channels say the F word and are fine
Soft nation
The average person doesnt realize how many people are actually on steroids.
Facts
shits sad lol. even people that aren’t competitive and professional athletes will hop on them cause they’re lazy image obsessed fucks
Most people on steroids don’t even look like they take anything.
About 3% of the population.
@ersatzlord different types of steroids, that one called corticosteroid
Spoiler: Don't do Steroids, it shrinks ya balls
I don't think I've come across a single woman yet who's said.....I don't want to be with you because your balls are too small.
Just use the ball stretcher to counteract this
@@TILLEYJS I don't use Steroids and where did you come to conclusion i have small balls. Wait hell no, you're subscribed to Think Before you sleep and simular no wonder you made this reply
@@quakeknight9680 you're definitely strange. Probably not intelligent. I think you should reread what I said.
@@quakeknight9680bro just use em
my friend was obsessed with bodybuilding since he turned 16, started to take steroids in his early 20's and didnt even turn 30...
Car accident?
May they rest in peace
What happened to him now?
So he is 29 now?
@@DuyNguyen-fs3rs He's dead, chief.
I thought about roids in college when seeing a teammate warm up with 405 on bench for 12. I struggled to get 385 once. He blew out his knee just coming out of his stance in a game, wasn’t touched. Turns out his ligaments were utterly shot because he was using such rapid weight increases and joints didn’t build up with his muscles. In a month I was out lifting him when he quit the juice to rehab his knee. I decided it wasn’t worth the risk and am glad I didn’t give in.
385 is awesome man, especially for a natural
This needs to be talked about more. Thank you for sharing!
Your joints don’t build. You’re referring to tendon strength that doesn’t grow parallel with muscle strength.
@@gorilla2626obviously by joints he meant ligaments based on saying ligaments like 5 words earlier… try to keep up
I am a minor league baseball player and have had so many opportunities. I’ve even bought and had a needle in my hand ready to shoot but my brain couldn’t get my body to do it. Thank God for instincts man. I’ve seen many guys under 30 blow out their knees and tear their muscles. About half of people playing minor/major and even 1/3 of college players are cycling. It’s insane how many people sacrifice their health for improving their game. I’ve also heard from some of them that they are willing to cut years off their life to be stronger and faster
The strain on your organs and lingering effects of steriod and sarms cannot be understated.
You'd force your whole hormone system out of whack causing skin, organ and mental challenge's aswell and your balls will shrink from abusing that shit.
Remember, you only hear the successful stories, the unsuccessful stories are most of the time not told.
Maybe a low TRT dose at higher age might be beneficial, since your hormone production reduces with age.
If you need steroids to get to regular function, hopefully your doctor will prescribe them
Yeah testosterone injections are way different than steroids and HGH for the body. The difference is like taking 5mg of adderall XR for ADHD vs smoking meth
Remember, trans men take testosterone supplements and don’t suffer the same health consequences as bodybuilders
Age doesn't automatically deteriorate your health. It's the cumulation of factors that harm your health over time that you were either unaware or neglected. Most people become more sedentary as they age. Our food in society is not optiminal for long term consumption. It's now more processed than ever in any history of humanity. There are many foods you eat from resturants that are all processed with nutrients diminished or contain harmful elements that harm you.
Over time the accumulation is what leads to weaker heart amd nervous system, weaker endocrine system, and lack of nutrients. The last obstacle is the adoption of technology. Most people suffer from poor sleep due to blue light harming circadian ryhtme.
On top of this, if you take steroids. You are doing even more damage as your bodies natural endogenous production becomes completely dependant on the exogenous hormones. You will develop poor habits that are not healthy and not realize it because your hormones are not controlled by normal everyday factors. They are controlled by the drugs you take. Simply put. You will not be in tune with yourself. You cannot measure your habits with your hormones to develop healthy habits.
@@YTStopCensoringFreedomOfspeechyou lost me when you said “optiminal” without correcting it to optimal. Lmao, can’t even spell optimally let alone convince us of your broscience.
@@YTStopCensoringFreedomOfspeechidk where you’re getting your information about aging but one thing I know is you’re not getting it from accepted peer reviewed research on aging or taking from any sort of scientific research reviewed by other sensible and reasonable and intelligent humans.
This is literally just you waxing poetic about your personal opinion of aging and how you’ve dealt with it. 😂 you are probably that guy who always comments shit like: “Im 60 and I feel like I’m 29 😌 because I treat my body so well and sleep well and stay active yada yada…” “aging doesn’t have to happen, you LET yourself age by acting different!” I wish you could hear how delusional you sound but your ears are ringing from the noises within your own echo chamber.
Keep telling yourself age isn’t biological and it’s in people’s changed behavior. I hope you manage to “stay active” and avoid aging like you claim so you can keep the car running for 500 years no problem! By your logic it should be no problem! Just stay active! Happy running 🏃
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Most people have no idea how popular steroids are nowadays. Users mainly just don’t talk about it
What is worse than that is most users are stupid enough to take peds with zero knowledge of biochemistry and doing no bloodwork at all during usage
Yeah, I was shocked to find out how many people were on steroids or SARMs at the gym. I thought I had mediocre genetics when I couldn't keep up with some people's progress... Turns out, I was basically one of the only natural guys.
@@reckoner5113 this is what got this guy killed, no bloodwork or health monitoring. Thats what got him to have a heart attack lol
@@Ryan-wx1bi Comparison is the thief of joy.
I get it tho, a friend of mine is genetically gifted, and watching him become a absolute hunk at break neck speed was slightly upsetting in the beginning 😂
In the end I realized that I enjoy lifting and sports, and I will continue to do it as long as I can regardless of what progress I see, so it's not important to me.
I'd rather go for the healthy lifestyle and maybe see my 50s and 60s top fit and physically able. 😊
Almost every big guy at my gym is using, even some I thought weren’t. Some do compete but others just wanted the boost in everyday life. Been lifting for 13 years and my prs are not impressive but I’ve been natty the entire time aside from using caffeine. Didn’t really see the interest in having your own body stop producing its own testosterone.
4:45 Cardiomegaly (enlarged heart)
8:00 Reduced T and good cholesterol
10:00 2.8% abusing steroids
00:46 manlet confirmed
I've been working with drug addicts, alcoholics and people using steroids for many years. I've seen many die from overdose, but the truly scaring thing are the ones dying from complications due to their previous use of steroids. Litteral sudden death.
The danger is surprisingly underestimated.
I had a friend who did steroids, and drugs. His health issues are worse from the steroids.
Most people use way too much gear, don’t get blood work done, don’t diet and a lot will either smoke or use some other form of drug. When on AAS you have to be extremely careful with dosage, diet, and lifestyle voices and make sure you’re visiting your doctor regularly, then the chances of anything going severely wrong are very very slim
Or worse, have a stroke from testerone use and they live but can no longer function. Girlfriend leaves them and they are confined to a nursing home.
“Literal sudden death” not true at all. Between bloodwork, blood pressure, organ imaging, and genetic polymorphisms testing, the warning signs are always there. Whether you check on them as a user is a different story. No death related to steroids is sudden. It’s not an acute thing that happens lol. Health issues accumulate and if unmonitored/untreated will manifest into bigger issues.
@@Skoopyghost At the same time? How can they differentiate which caused which.
Yeah, steroid abuse is glorified and its risks are often dismissed. Thank you for making this video.
Literally never, never have I heard any good thing about steroids. Since i was a kid, the only thing I have heard are bad things, making me think since a young age thats so stupid for people to take them...
if you look at any of the serious resources that teach how to use steroids in a responsible manner they are full of warnings about the risk's associated with steroids. It's when you start looking at social media sites that you don't see any warnings what so ever and you shouldn't be getting information on steroids from social media. The people that are serious about steroid use and bodybuilding believe in harm reduction and don't want people to get harmed because 95% of the time the serious side effects can be mitigated quite easily unless you have shit genetics.
It is not a risk it is a guarantee. It will kill you.
@@corriedebeer799no it won’t lmao. Steriods send less people to the hospital than Tylenol. Do your research before speaking. Anything in excess will
Be fatal for you, this guy in the video clearly took them like an idiot and paid the price. If you do it right, you won’t have many issues at all.
Look at guys like jay cutler, Arnold, Dorian Yates Ronnie, Kevin levrone, etc etc. they are fine in their 50-70s and took crazy amounts of gear.
@@jackwellington12yearsago62Arnold had 2 or 3 hearth surgeries, and these other just have good genetics for gear which you cant tell if you have or not unless you take them.
Happily natty myself. Hitting good lifts and living long. Fuck steroids.
You can get much stronger than the average roider naturally. You can also get much leaner (as most roiders are bloated with water weight and not that shredded).
@@anaussie213 that just plain false. only steroids that aromatize cause you to gain water weight due to elevated E2 level. Tren for example will not cause you to gain water weight and you can get absolutely shredded on it.
@@wolframgaming6009…you nailed it!!
@@anaussie213no you can not. Tf are you yapping about?
Steroids can kill your heart very young it’s proven over and over natural is always better
I took steroids for about 6 months 9 years ago. The first 3 months went fine then I took a break for 3 months then went back to taking steroids for another 3 months and thats when the uncontrollable hiccups started…
For no less than two weeks I had non stop hiccups. Silly as it may sound I genuinely felt exhausted, embarrassed, and terrified all the time. These two/three weeks felt like years and I never touched the stuff again.
The muscles I built during those 6 months were more than what I’ve built in the previous 2 years, not to mention the attention! It really does get to you especially if you enjoy the sport itself. The better alternative I’ve found though is to just focus on lifting for general health and fitness and I couldn’t be more happy with my current strength and endurance!
As for supplements, I’m taking creatine, Arginine, Magnesium, Calcium, Omega 3, Zinc, and Tongkat Ali.
I'm not a doctor or anything, but I think maybe something was going on with your diaphragm (muscle just under the rib cage if you're wondering). I'm not exactly sure how steroids work, but if it's something that affects all muscles then I'd assume your diaphragm went out of whack a bit from the steroid use. Although, again, I'm not a doctor, so...
@@eggsandbacon892 I don’t know the details of it but its entirely possible.
I remember doing some research when it happened and that particular side effect was linked to pills I was taking called “Anabolon”. It all becomes very real very quick when you experience just on side effect of steroids and the hiccups thing was nothing compared to the other side effects 😅
@@eggsandbacon892 i remember one of the pills I was taking was called “Anabolon”. I remember googling it back then and reading that that family of drugs can cause hiccups as a side effect (among many other side effects!)
I was too broke to take HGH or test or any of the other popular stuff so my gym coach sold me some of “the good very safe and cheap stuff”. Lol
Ha ha!!!
how is taking illegal drugs a sport? goddamn that's a special kind of stupid
The problem with bodybuilding influencers is that they don't take a break from steroids.
Even pros have periods of rest in which they take no steroids at all. However, since influencers have an image to maintain, they keep abusing the substance to stay as ripped as they can, leading to increased risk of all the bad symptoms.
If you cycle steroids correctly then it’s not as bad. Thing is you cannot be too young like under 25 and gotta accept you will go from 40% to 70% then settle back at like 55% strength increase. But it also depends on your body as well.
@@alexanderforrest1983 yess, that's how bodybuilders achieve 10 or more year long careers, however, influencers are pressured to abuse them constantly, which is of course, highly dangerous
Bodybuilders die super young what are you talking about? They don't just use steriods they use other things as well@@claudiocoto1360
It's still not a neutral or healthy thing either way.
I think people don't know how steroids work, if you take them for a short period of time therefore not stopping your own production you can build a massive amount of muscle and keep it all if you had high testosterone before. From my experience I think this is how guys like alex eubank developed. Maintaining the extra fluid from the drugs and the new muscle tissue are two different things. A lot of these guys are much bigger than they could get without, but by no means does it mean they are staying on something. That tissue stays if you do it right, its cumulative. Makes sense because some maintain nice hairlines as well.
*Sam Sulek's breathing intensifies*
Maybe your might be that one stfu don’t ever make fun of someone health kiddo 😊
That guy won't see 30, I'm not joking
@hamburgerserenade3250 it's that he clearly uses a fucktown of steroids and keeps a very unhealthy diet, he seems like a chill guy, but genuinely if he makes it over 30, I'd be very surprised
How old is Arnold? 😂
Go Google Arnold at 21, your all fools boys, fools
As a female- one thing I ALWAYS wanted was abs. I worked out with a personal trainer (both male and female) and dietician for almost 5 years in my early 20s. Finally, I came to the realization that my body shape is just not meant for exposed abs. My female trainer tried to offer me steroids many times to help me achieve my goal. I almost said yes a few times because I thought I wouldn’t be happy if I didn’t reach my goal.
Now, in my early 30s I am active, fit, do aerial sports and still don’t have noticeable definition in my stomach, but I know I’m strong in my core and that’s what counts.
I hate seeing men and women, especially young men and women get into steroids. But I also understand the appeal. Just hope if I can prevent even one person from getting started, I’ll be happy. I feel good in my body and my body is the only one I get. It’s important to take care of it.
@@bywonlineyeah it's a rare woman with the genetics required to be able to maintain a visible six pack without essentially starving themselves. I have lucky genetics (and am a man) where a few weeks of dieting will give me abs (and I never go much above 15 percent bodyfat) but even I would have to cut all junk out of the diet to maintain all abs in 24/7-365.
abs is just low bodyfat
training them will have them pop out a little more but if you're training good then imo its probs not needed
i think staying in a state where you can always see your abs is probably not very enjoyable either
I use to have visible abs. I’d prefer to carry some fat. I feel a lot better that way. Abs look good but I hate being hungry all the time to look like that.
Besides, having shredded abs as a female is actually really bad hormone wise. I’ve heard women that go too low in body fat have their hormones jacked up and have even missed periods, among other things. I’ll take a strong core over aesthetics.
bro is that even legal? Can coaches offer Steriods?
Stay natty bros
can you speak English? What does this mean?
What is this English dialect do you speak of
Stay natural is what he means
@@dangela3039Thank you!
shut up nerd @@1unsung971
One thing I can thank my parents for, is that they always explained to me from a young age that I'd never have the body of Arnold or Sylvester because they did steroids, and that steroids are very, very dangerous.
The side effects of steroids drove my older brother to severe depression. That depression drove him to chronic Alcoholism.. He is now in a vegetative state, capable of only communicating by raising his thums, wishing to die.
To my conscience, I only liked this comment cause it spreads awareness and nothing else, please don't start.
Why in the vegetative state?
Reading this with the music in the video doesn’t help at all
@@Jay-ct9rtthat was literally the cause of his down fall
I tried steroids once...after three weeks i had to stop because i was going insane with anger...when i could no longer drive without wanting to kill my fellow drivers i knew i had to quit...frankly i dont see how anyone could deal with the mental issues steroids induce.
A colleague at work who was a doctor died from steroid abuse. He was a beast but it’s really sad as he was only 40 and only just became a consultant.
Blows my mind that MDs take steroids.
At least he died a genius bruiser
@@neoc03feel like MD’s are more likely to take steroids out of sheer overconfidence.
@@Jay-ct9rt no idea, probably a lot he was massive, all muscle.
@@Jay-ct9rt noone that knows what they are doing would ever work out 3-5 hours a day lmaooo. You clearly know nothing about lifting
It’s not even just steroids but bodybuilding as a sport that puts a massive strain on the organs.
The typical bodybuilding diet and a contest prep cycle, even for natural bodybuilders, is anything but healthy.
Add steroids to that and you don’t just shorten your lifespan by a couple of years, it’s gonna be decades.
Very good video, but may I note that the man on screen at 11:00 is Noel Dyezel and does not support or promote the use of steroids (he has made several videos about harm reduction and actively discourages use), and I am 99% sure the screenshot pictured next to him is not from his comments page.
Noel uses steroids himself..
I'm a male, 5'8 and 24, I dont know why but that case at the beginning hit me especially hard. It feels like looking at a version of myself that made the wrong decisions for the sake of appearance. Oddly helpful video for self-acceptance
Don't do the juice! 🫵
Dude, me too.
Same height and age here too bro
It takes years, I’m 36 and it took a long time for me but the good thing now is that I’ve developed the habits for the long term. Just like people who want to loose weight fast it is not sustainable. The lesson you learn through your journey are just as important as the results themselves. If you are really in it for health the you start to do other things than just worry about size. Speed, power, endurance, athleticism, and how good you feel are all important if not more than just being big.
5’8 😂 Sucks to be short, but at least you’re healthy!
Did roids at 23, I'm 35 and still trying to recover from it. Also it made me lose all my hair...
Damn
As someone whose male pattern baldness in their 20s, that sucks
You're gonna make it bro stay safe
Me too. As a women I lost my high voice and it often cracks when I laugh 😖😓 I have learned my lesson. Take a strong birth control pill, so my voice changed for the better a little bit... But it's still a shame
lol you clearly didnt do any preventative measures. Your own fault.
Thanks for this info and video. I actually had a heart attack in November. Was abusing steroids for my powerlifting comps. This info was super helpful in understanding what I was doing to my body before hand.
pfff like you didn't know
Did you do blood work on a regular basis? Did you eat properly? Did you take supplements? Omega 3, antioxidants, ubiquinol (q enzyme 10) milk thistle? Did you give blood? Any cardio? Did you drink alcohol? Did you cut all the sweets/sugars out?
Did you drink lots of water? Did you have a lot of stress? Did you sleep well? Sleep apnea?
Glad you're okay! :D
A very informative video, you have a very nice way to explain all this tricky stuff without it feeling too heavy.
As someone who had ever so slightly considered trying steroids I say thank you. Thank you for giving me the information to make an informed choice (in addition to my other research). I will NOT be partaking.
It's a single case. There's also TRT and there are millions of people on it
@@Watykaniak totally get your point. I think TRT when medically necessary is great!
It’s not worth it imo. Taking steroids to make yourself look better doesn’t fix the real problem of self esteem and can seriously hurt you. Eventually you will loose muscle mass, as you get older its just natural and completely fine. If you are considering steroids for a medical reason ask your doctor.
Even if it's not necessary but you wanna boost your performance if it's done with blood tests and under doctors supervision it's not gonna be harmful@@annonannon6712
@@Watykaniak I feel like you're considering medical use cases with abusing it for vanity like shown in the video. There's always going to be a medical need for certain steroids for some people.
As a matter of fact, I'm in talks with my doc right now about going on TRT to help, among other things, reduce the size of my massive man tits. Big emphasis on "among other things".
Just a quick correction, this video implied that Mike O'Hern takes steroids, he actually leverages highly anabolic duck eggs to maintain his super hero frame into and beyond middle age.
Great job clarifying that for all concerned.
Thank you... I was misled 😊😊😊
this has to be a joke right?
@@wingwangtingtang Nah man... Mike is a Natty 😊😊😊😊😊💉💉
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There was this open bodybuilder that died from heart failure, when they did the autopsy all his organs were gigantic, 800g heart, 4.5kg liver
A sibling of mine started using them and his whole personality changed. Now is totally isolated from friends and family due to aggressive nature.
I have a neighbor abuses this shit. He's a real asshole.
I'm a natural weight lifter and this scares me a bit because I have a heart condition. I think taking steriods just to look a bit better for a little less effort is such a poor trade off.
The difference in muscle mass will be huge, that's why people take it and I understand that part to an extent, that's usually coming from body dysmorphia or insecurities. But the mood swings are usually the most common with acne and it's a fucking scary thing to witness.
Mood swings. Seriously. Mood changes when you stop taking steriods and it does not result in anger. Quite the opposite. On the juice you will be happier. On and off for almost 30 years but what would I know.
Not sure effort is a factor as much as results and the desire for an aesthetic.
Is it? That's just estrogen control, arimidex or primo sorts that problem out. @@qm1174
The trade off is more like:
Look a lot bigger with the same or more effort.
Or look the same/similar to a natural with a lot less work.
You just saved a life by making this video.
Not really, anyone dumb enough to haphazardly inject hormones into themselves won’t be swayed by a TH-cam video they won’t be watching
Definitely not. People who use steroids aren’t intelligent enough to look at the risks.
All these deaths have one thing in common, they are abusing the steroids
I'm glad to see more of this kinda thing coming about now. Its good to have discourse around "safe" usage of PEDs like moreplaresmoredates, the encouragement of bloodwork etc but there's always danger involved no matter how careful you are and it's sad to see how many young men jump straight into steroid use before they even have the life experience to understand long term consequences
The woman being interviewed by police at 1:43 is Ashley McArthur. She was a suspect (and later convicted) of her friend Taylor’s homicide in Florida and has nothing to do with this case.
Can't expect much from trashy ai youtube channels
@@Grippybananasyou just watched a well researched video about the harmful effects of steroid abuse and you call it Ai trash bc he used a random clip of a police investigation when talking about a police investigation
I think you need to use your brain more. it was a filler clip you fuckin bozo. you must be watching with the volume on mute to not realize he didn't say anything about the girls situation. learn what filler clips are dork.
I totally agree. A lot, not all but a lot of so called fitness influencers are abusing steroids and influencing others to follow their example. Horrible!
Yup, IG is full of them. Impressionable young men get enticed by the image and attention.
And they are the ones getting all the attention; clicks and praises.
The dislikes are from Gymbros.
There are none yet (I can view dislikes with my mod)
@@NeatlyYoru there are 2 to 91 right now (3/02/2024 6:25 PM Bucharest Time)
Who else would dislike? an obese person?
7 and counting 10:42 pm IST 03/02/2024
there are three gymbos on this video
I remember doing one cycle of steroids in my 20s (I’m in my late 30s now) I was working my restaurant job and all of a sudden I felt like I was going to pass out. I felt so terrible I just left work without even telling anyone and went to lay in my bed unsure if I was even going to wake up. That’s how terrible I felt. I never touched that stuff again. I’m sure I have some lingering hidden issue in my body possibly but I’ve never felt like that again thankfully. Quick gratification isn’t worth it.
Rich Piana talked about doing steroids openly and guided others not to follow his mistakes, he wasn't bad, he exactly knew how he will end
I did like how you put Noels video about how influencers try to trick us by saying they are natty because they used X program or diet , but behind the veil they use anabolics to keep their shape and sell as much as possible their product or to get sponsors. At least Noel is transparent with us and encourage people to not use them, but try to strive to be the best version of us by educating the audience about the dangers not only to the body, but also to our mental health. I wish more bodybuilders could be like him.
Noel is just as bad as all of them. He abuses steroids yet has zero videos acrually talking about the negative effects. He presents a person who is healthy on steroids.
Problem with Noel is that his entire persona is being a big, gentle giant and his whole career is thanks to steroids and while he is far better then most others, he is still an inspiration to P.E.D abuse.
The original comment and the replies are both true. I agree with all of them.
@@theoriginalbreadcrumb bro you dont uderstand!!!!
working out in the gym literally made me an alpha male because i grinding and like its like REALLY hard work and men today are like complaining about hard work cause their blue haired snowballs. people who dont go to the gym to lift weights dont understand the grind bro while your out there partying every single day im out in the gym GRINDING, working hard to make the world better. 💪
@@tuneboyz5634do you do volunteer work? That makes the world better
Being a female who is not interested in body building, I had next to no understanding of how steroids work. Thanks for informing me. I had no idea it carried more risks than just testicular shrinkage
What does being a female have to do with it lol
@OsbordPlunky right? It's just ignorance
FYI, a cardiologist can easily use a non invasive ultrasound to measure your heart muscle and determine if you have early heart disease. If you have a problem, further tests may be required. TL;DR: you don't have to have your heart cut out to diagnose cardiomyopathy.
The effects of steroids need to be discussed more especially as so many fitness influencers tend to use them.
I love it when you make medical related content, as a medical student this summarizes a huge topic into the essential information.
From the case report and the diagnosis, to the physiology and pathophysiology and going through the study figures and findings, this was much appreciated knowledge.
Hope to see more medical related content like this!
Great work as always.
Not really. No mention of taking a statin such as pravastatin or rosuvastatin to stop the advancement of and possibly reverse atherosclerosis. No mention of taking an ARB like telmisartan to prevent and reverse LVH and maybe an ace inhibitor with it as well to increase the effect.
Forget ball shrinking, your heart literally rotting while you're still alive is horrifying.
💯
Sulek’s extreme body acne should be the best anti-PED ad
As someone who takes a steroid for genuine medical reasons, the acne flare ups are such a challenge lol
Glad this video is getting the attention it needs, because so many guys in their 20s currently taking steroids need to know how bad it really is.
Today I had my first job, I asked a girl for her number, which she gave me, and now my favorite youtbue channel uploaded a video, this day couldn't get any better!
That is a good day
Good day man
W Day
go get 'em bro.
Sure buddy
Holy shit, them sclerotic blood vessels were something else. I would argue that the 24 yo dude hasn't been feeling at peak health for a while, with a prior heart attack, pulmonary edema ond organ congestion.
Yeah he probably was just on gear and didnt have a single blood test done.
He didn't want to be weak and complain 🤷🏿♂️
I bet he would have died young from heart problems with or without steroids. The steroids definitely did not help the situation though.
@@sickmak90 i mean that’s why you take tests. Im sure if he did a simple trop i , ck or crp they would have found inflammation in his heart and do something about it
gym bros dont really do cardio so it's possible he never quite made the connection or felt any serious side effects. I know quite a few steroid users who can barely climb a flight of stairs without nearly passing out. They just joke that cardio isn't important.
I think it’s fascinating to hear about the effect on the heart. Bodybuilders can hide from the early effects of poor heart performance due to cardiovascular output being low on their list of priorities but footballers that depend so heavily on cardiovascular fitness are taking enough steroids to have the second highest mortality, that’s wild.
Yeah, definitely a surprise to me on the soccer part
God I'm so happy I made it through my early years of lifting without ever taking PEDs. Of course I would have gotten to my current strength much faster. But after a recent health scare (that turned out to be nothing), I'm realizing no amount of extra muscle mass or strength would have been worth my health
6:32 This is how fragile TH-cam has become, can’t even show the word “Death” without getting into trouble.
The thing is he's literally saying the word and it's getting picked up by autocaptions so the effort is wasted anyways. And the video is still up. And he has showed the insides of organs earlier in the video just fine. Blurring out the word "Death" is just being a sissy at this point. Plenty of other channels get away with saying the word just fine. Because you can.
Yea bro. I miss the old days where you could actually speak freely, and people didn't get cancelled for speaking facts
@@choosetolivefreeno one is getting cancelled for speaking facts lmao
@@_fr4mes743 Just because you aren't aware doesn't mean it isn't happening. Just means you are ignorant, which works well for the powers that be
@@_fr4mes743 clown
Can I just say, thank you for continuing to research, write, and narrate your videos honestly. I've seen an explosion of channels lately that make similar content but use AI to write the script, pick lazy unrelated stock clips, and often pay a voice actor to narrate. I can tell your videos are genuine, and they're much better content because of that.
cardiomegaly is a very broad term, but two of the main complications of excessive LVH can be left ventricular outflow obstruction and diastolic dysfunction. LVOT is just a fancy way of saying the LV makes a pressure gradient infront of the aortic valve (very bad), and diastolic dysfunction is just reduced ability to fill efficiently.
Never use steroids.
At only 24 years! He was pretty cut for sure (178/84) with clear hypertrophy. Sadly also in his heart. But he must have started early like kids nowadays do to see that kind of damage done. People will claim that there is a "safe" way to take steroids by having regular bloodwork but that will not tell them if they have an enlarged heart and by definition, steroids will elevate the bad cholesterol. Unless they have regular ultrasound of their heart, they will be no wiser however many blood tests they have. It all seems quite sad because now kids start with heavy cycles ridiculously early and statistics will then inevitably give us more and more of too young dead bodybuilders.
He never cycled off bro. He ran high dose all time, when he could cycle to get to his required mass and then just rub maintaince dose.
It's not the steroids It's also the amount they take in 80s Arnold,zane nd platz nd almost everyone took 100-150 now It's increased to 5 times
Should've taken gw501516 🤷♂️
@@mrmap4875😂😂😂 You’re extremely gullible if you believe this. Golden era guys were popping dbols and shots of deca and test like it was going out of style. You believe Tom platz built his physique off 1 shot of deca and 20mg of winstrol like he proclaims. This industry is full of liars. The only pro i know who spoke the truth was Nasser el Sonbaty. Go listen to what his cycle was. He claimed “everyone does this much, but no one admits it”. Dont fall for their lies. 😂
It's also not cheap to get your heart regularly checked. Most people can't afford that kinda maintenance.
As someone who had ever so slightly considered trying steroids I say thank you. Thank you for giving me the information to make an informed choice (in addition to my other research). I will be starting 500mg test e and 200mg tren next week.
Tren is a terrible steroid to start with. Just stay natty though.
@@Anonymous-jf2gy anything is best, if you take base test!
I know this is irony, but bro… Tren? Don't. 500 mg of Test E is a lot for the first cycles, normally even 300 mg per week will do nearly the same with less side effects. And if you have to add other steroids after a few years, man... do Drostanolone before Tren. Even Nandrolone...
Why tren? If you want more use some anavar, that's a much better steroid to start with with some test
@@Anonymous-jf2gy He is joking
I found this channel today. 10 minutes later i become suscriber xD Good job :D
I wrote a large paragraph attempting to detail the nuanced outlook of many views/comments/beliefs of people that I’ve spoken to and read throughout the years and the shortened answer is, people don’t care to live long lives and many don’t want to bring life into this world with how things seem to be going. If you want more details feel free to ask specifics but that’s the general idea I’ve seen and heard. The future seems both bright and dark, depending on which way you choose to look at it but many tend to just choose a way to see things and survive or thrive.
You're saving lives with this one man.
I got a coworker who's on gear. He's not a smart kid, but he's a good kid.
I worry that him not being smart is going to get him in trouble a lot faster than he thinks.
It's a tragedy waiting to fucking happen.
Who cares
send him this video tbh
This was both horrifying, educational and soothing.
Pretty sure by now, 99% of ppl know the dangers and risks of steroids.
They just don’t care.🤷♂️
Very informative video, thank you.
Good video! I particularly liked how you explained muscle growth and how it is aided by AAS.
Better to be aided by AAS instead of ASS !
I remember in high school health they taught us steroids weren’t fair. So a bunch of kids I know took them. This video does a better job explaining why steroid abuse is dangerous.
And those are just the physical side effects. Roid rage and emotional imbalance create a whole other dark side that is even more detrimental as it also affects people around.
Emotional imbalance is the cause of "roid rage".. So if you are a bitter, angry person in general, steroids (specific ones) will make you a lot more of a bitter, angry person. But yeah, it may seem like a thing to brush off, but it is slow killer even off cycle.
Steroids dont make someone emotionally unwell. Emotionally unwell people take steroids. Now of course there is something about tren blasters and a sudden urge to be a raging homosexual😂. And of course you can still fuck yourself up if youre not actually doing the work to maintain your hormones.
@@DirtyStinky It's widely documented. Steroid induced psychosis, depression and rage are real things, you can look it up.
Videos like this is why I'm subscribed to you. Thank you for the quality educational content
no problem
Hello Dark Science, I really like your videos. They´re very informative and a bit scary at times, like for example in the episode on what happens to mammals in space/vaccuum conditions. As suggestions for future video topics, my ideas would be how blunt trauma ( e.g. induced in a car crash/plane crash, et cetera) causes death, what happens when someone overdoses on heroin and videos on illnesses like cancer, the Plague or other famous and deadly ones. Hope one of the topics will be featured in future episodes.
He actually already did two of your suggestions in earlier videos
Never go full regard mode. This video is above that.
i really respect to those guys who dedicated and willing to take something that might kills them, they willing to sacrifice and willing to take the consequences of what will happened.
i have been go to the gym for more than a year now and i was as a strongest kid at my school until university when i got to the gym i saw many guys twice my size lifting much more than i did and after sometime i figured out they took steroids. I always want to be the strongest but after i learn the consequences of taking it for me is not worth it because my life is revolving around studies and researching because i wanted to know the world better. I think we should prioritize things in life and only take the path we think is the most rational to us.
anyways i need some opinions , i weight around 85-90kg and 175m i can squat atg 170 deadlift 220 bench 130 is it higher or lower than an average natural lifter at my weight ?
compare to when i first got to the gym im not much stronger, i could bench 80kg for reps deadlift 150 for reps and squat atg for only 60kg for reps so is my progress slow ? for my diet i think i eat enough food but i dont really follow any kind of diet because i can only eat what my family cook. Sorry if my english is bad
Heres the score, cutting through all the bullshit so excuse the abrasiveness.
1. Eat Eggs, milk and honey or blend and drink it
2. Work out until failure
3. Get DEEP LONG sleep
I dont give a shit what exercises you do, just repeat them until you cant anymore. I dont care what muscles you work on, just work on what u think needs improving. I dont give a shit what your genetics is, just get deep long sleep.
Do those three things and you WILL gain mass, the thing is you WILL gain fat also BUT with it comes insane muscle bulk. Thats what I did and my forearms are huge relative to my size, my chest is wide, shoulders wider, waist wider, i could do more work on my legs but its whatever. I dont give a shit how you do it, just do those three things. It works. I know it works because I tried it, how did I know to try it, I came across a youtuber called OldSchoolStrength and thats what he did. I did the same and it worked for me.
Do whatever you want with the simple information I just gave you for free, no bullshit. You cant say you never had the answer spoon fed to you. Have a good day.
Excellent video. I learned a lot!
11:08 But Alan Thrall doesn’t use steroids. He just has a decade+ of consistent strength training. 😅
How are you sure? You ran tests yourself?
@@jamesdagmondthe funny thing is, we will never know if he is natty or not. At this point, I consider all fitness influencers Schrödinger’s juicers.
@@jamesdagmond He put out a video himself about steroids some weeks ago. Even if people say they never touch it you'll never know. But from my pov I'm pretty sure Alan has been clean the whole time.
Considering where his lifts are at I'd be shocked if he has ever taken anything.....
@@jamesdagmondYou are correct. My only “source” is his word and his physique. Both seem achievable with proper programming and consistency.
It would be a bummer if turns out he’s another liar, though.
LDL is not “bad cholesterol”.
It is only a problem when it’s oxidized by excess glucose and insulin.
I have high cholesterol for over 25 years, but I’ve done a CAC (Cardiac CT Calcium) test and instead of scoring over 200 which is typical for high LDL, and where 300 means severe disease, my score was 6.1.
Why? I’ve cut sugars out of my diet as much as possible so the oxidized plaques don’t form to cause LDL to clot.
Doesn't the fact that you haven't reached the end stage of atherosclerosis (calcification) specifically in your heart arteries, does not mean that you do not have plaques in your cardiac arteries or elsewhere?
@@ildisiri That's what the CAC teat was for.
Add to that the known biochemistry that LDL doesn't from plaques when not exposed to excess glucose and insulin.
I avoid sugars and monitor my blood glucose and ketone levels. They are not in a range which would indicate I'm at risk for arteriosclerosis.
@@lohphat the cac test is basically the levels of plaque in your arteries right?
@@DarkArtsDeepDive Yes, and a score of 6.1 at my age with the length of high cholesterol I have is the lesson.
High LDL levels are not a risk if you can keep your blood sugar under control. I purposely avoid sugars.
CACs only show calcification and can be misleading. The real culprit is narrowing of the arteries, and it's possible to have this without calcification (via soft or fibrous plaques). For this, a better test is the carotid ultrasound or coronary angiography. It's great when a CAC is a clean read, but don't get too comfortable with the idea it's the full picture (no pun intended).
I have never used steroids and never will use steroids. I love the gains and progress I’ve made being natural and changing my diet.
Why do i need big balls?
Small balls are better. Easier to walk
For every 1,000,000 people, 28,000 of them use steroids. Absurd.
There are statistically less schizophrenics than steroid abusers. That's wild to me
Funny way to say 2.8%
@@cps22001it helps bring it into raw numbers. Don’t see the issue
More interested to see the percent of gym aged males
yeah, looks unreal
Moral of the story? Just get lean, you don’t need to be that big.
It depends on each person. Everyone is capable of making their own choices to achieve the goal they have in mind
@@Matt-ji9hjyeah and not all choices are equal; some are smart or clever, some are beyond r3tard3d
@@Matt-ji9hj Your "goals" don't justify taking something that slowly kills you... that's not a goal, that's s*icide.
@@allebasaiadartse3951 Not really. Steroid use, if proper precautions are taken, will not necessarily lead to death. How many bodybuilders are alive and well today? Some of you need to mind your own business and stop being internet moralists
@@Matt-ji9hj Read my comment again... I said SLOWLY dying. Where did you get the idea of an instant death? The lifespan of a bodybuilder is significantly less compared to that of the average person.
You know... even without taking into account the higher percentage of possible casualties they have, because of accidents caused by their diminished health. Like the one in the video, who wasn't even at the dosage level that professional bodybuilders have.
Physical health is the most important aspect of life
10:22 Number of American adults = 258,300,000
Number of American adults who abuse steroids = 2.8% = 7,232,400. Not sure I'd call that a "tiny sample"
I love this, very simple way of explaining it for the general audience. Great video!
Thanks for this video, I'm seeing way too many young people blast steroids because cool gymbros on tiktok do it and they want to look like them. At times it becomes tempting to take a shortcut so it's important to talk about this stuff.
Absolutely wild being natty with decent genetics and being able to lift more than guys who look like they should be WAY stronger.
Tamoxifen 1:55 is not an anabolic steroid, it's a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator. It's is used to treat or avoid enlargment of breast tissue in both males and females, in his case to either treat of avoid Gynecomastia.
Steroid users really messed with my perception of what is attainable naturally and especially how long it takes to attain it. When I first started lifting, I genuinely believed I'd look like Chris Hemsworth in just 6 months. That's what all the magazines said.
Yeah nothing exists in a vacuum.
Lying about this stuff can devastate people's self esteem. And make people blame others like it's their fault because they aren't working hard enough.
His body is attainable naturally, it’s just for the average guy (let’s face it, that’s most of us) it would take way longer than it took him.
@@cokedupcatwhich is because he's on a ton of gear
I had a very bad reaction to steroids, and my back blew up in pimples. Literally thousands upon thousands of pimples. I used to have perfect skin before doing steroids, now its covered in thousands of scars and dark brown dots.
I'm sure you get lots of unasked help for that but vitamin c helps a lot if hyperpigmentation! topically, like a vitamin c serum
Incredible reporting. Thank you for including histology slides and actual autopsy pictures, it benefits both lay people and medical people. I think there must be more than a decrease in HDL that accounts for the extremely accelerated atherosclerosis. Even people with familial hyperlipidemia only start to have MIs in their 40 or 50s, so having such widespread CAD that young is more than just high cholesterol. Very interesting though, I am quite curious what the mechanism is
The other thing that's important to note is you never keep the gains that you get from steroids. When you go off the steroids you lose the gains and your body loses the ability to create its own testosterone. I like doing everything naturally because you will keep your gains as long as you continue to work out. Also you won't affect your bodies testosterone production and you will not get hypogonadism. I think it's much better to be a natural-looking person with a good physique than an overly blown up person who looks like they're obviously on steroids.
Man I am so happy that your channel is returning back to its former popularity. You're really proving that skill is what gets you big on TH-cam.
Do you still have your old store? I bought one of your T-Shirts a while back and it's still one of my favorites.
thanks for reminding me on how dangerous steroids really are. i’ve genuinely been tempted to secretly take them down the line because i want to be massive, but i now realize i’ve been too caught up on IG fitness influencer posts. the people i really should stick to for inspiration are the big natty men at the gym that i usually go to lol
I've alwasy said to friends who ask if I would take steroids, "If they didn't kill you or at least drasticly shorten your life, hell yes!". The problem with steroids is they work really well and people are too short sighted to think about or look into the consequences.
The dark side of steroids is being on steroids.
Let's be clear: Building up a lot of muscle, excessive training and extreme diets in itself can be very harmful, with roids or without. At a certain point it doesn't matter if a look was achieved "naturally" or with roids. I'm just reacting to comments glorifying "nattys" or talking about "you just didn't do precautions". When the end result is extreme there is no way to get there in a healthy way. Nothing in the world of biology is without trade-offs.
Remember when the bronce era people try to look like a greek statue. Now is totally the opposite, look like a monster using THE JUICE.
On the other side. I am on TRT. Getting blood work every 3 months, taking harmless natural aromatize inhibitor, big quantity of fish oil for cholesterol, antioxidant for better liver function and a good balanced diet. Making annual organ scans and can always lower the Testosterone dose to prevent permanent damage or to manage side effects.
This is the way
Vanity is killer.
@@smartcookie3500Calling muscle vanity is like calling a gun for self-defense vanity. That said when people take PEDs for natty bodies, I don't tend to respect that. People can do whatever they want, but if it's not done to achieve above natty bodies, I don't see the point at all
@@cheesetomeetyou Very true. Otherwise isn't worth the potential health risks.
R.I.P Rich Piana
I wonder why golden era bodybuilders are still around now. My uncle used steroids for 20 years and he's been off for over 20years. No trt. He's 79 and still works out 3 days a week. He told me sometimes he would do 500mg a week of test.
Society has unrealistic body expectations for men.
Society has unrealistic expectations for everyone
"I don't care about your society. The publics a bunch of assholes"
-Charles Manson
You just have to do the Marvel system
Doing anything for "muh society" is dumb, but most males just don't eat enough nor do they train right for muscle growth (to failure) so they resort to PEDs to compensate
5’6 160
Squat 375
Deadlift 425 (stopped deadlifting due to injury)
Bench 275 (stopped benching heavy due to injury)
Great lifts! 💪 I'm still trying to bench 225. Also 5'6
Amazing lifts. Well done 👏
No one asked or cares
This video was very interesting, very informative, and easy to understand. Thank you.
Steroids more than anything are another complication to one’s already complex life. They can be a real hassle.
True. It’s not simply eat train sleep inject repeat. If you want to take gear properly you need to be ontop of harm reduction/mitigation/eradication biomarker levels, and organ imaging depending on how long you’ve been using. If someone already has a lot on their pallet as far as busy life i would not advise lol. Although i work cyber security fulltime and still compete so i think it also comes down to managing time and truly having a passion. You’ll find a way for sure if you truly want it i believe 👍
@@enhancedgiulio7051 well said. I run a business, property portfolio, married, child hobbies friends and social life. Also all the crap that comes with managing a home and chair of the apartment committee.
I lift daily though, at home in the garage and am healthy and strong at 54. But of if I took roids it would consume me.
Even if I just did testosterone.
There’s say 2 injections say per week.
Then I gotta get AI’s
Regular blood tests
Change up the diet
Train differently, not natty training
Doctors 🥼
So you can see that’s just on a TRT type thing.
Anyway all good. Not against drugs, I think all drugs except fentanyl and heroin should be legal, it’s just not for me.