Why is South Africa such a strong supporter of Russia?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- South Africa has claimed a policy of so-called non-alignment over the war in Ukraine. But at the same time, some have suggested that in reality, it takes the side of Moscow and Vladimir Putin.
So why would South Africa back Russia?
Guests:
Ebrahim Rasool,
Former Amb. For South Africa To The United States
Chris Vandome
Senior Research Fellow With The Chatham House Africa Programme.
Peter Dwyer
Editor of the Review Of African Political Economy
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The ambassador of south africa to usa sounded more like an usa ambassador to south africa in whole conversation.
A traitor
Obviously he is pro west.
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Ke bonne bao
Le babone
Baa strata!
It's called whites for whites
Wheres JuJu when you need a guy?
I listened from the South African Foreign Minister about 2 to 3 weeks ago that she said Russia and China never fired a bullet at Africa, but the Europeans and the Americans did and slaved Africa.
Russia has soldiers in African countries causing plenty deaths. Chinese companies in poor African countries are paying slave wages. You are making a fool of yourself in public.
She forgot to say that theyare trainingTHEIR troups on local soil. They can start WW3 from here, fly out, and with all the idiot humans gone, they can have all the resources for ever
Piss off Chinaman.
@@chrisbornman5460 never under estimate the God who created Africans, they are likeness of Him, if you call Africans idiots you calling their God an idiot
@@siyabongadlamini7852 I beg to differ. If you are right, that 'god' must be incredibly stupid.
Is South Africa a white country or a predominantly black country with other races? Where is a representation of the ANC or EFF or any black scholar views on the issues?
Why would anyone be interested in the views of certifiable retards who crawled out of the bush just over 100 yrs ago?
This is obvious propaganda
I agreed!
They are not interested in the truth or the views of black people. They just want to push these lies and propaganda.
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ....
Lol this interview reminds me of Apartheid 🤔 they asking the minority about South Africa 😂
The majority is never right
I think you will find it's a collective of ethnicities not just the minority ...come on it's time take the blinkers off now and grow up. Work towards the future stop fighting the past
Exactly. They know full well that the majority of us stand with Russia 100% 😂
The good thing about the times we live in is that the west is been humbled. Their opinions don't matter anymore, they might as well fck off
The relationship of Africa and Europe has never been on Mutual Respect but mainly on Black (Africa is a jungle) serves white (europe is a garden).
Brics is bringing an alternative to see Africans prosper on their own terms instead of being forced into deals with strings attached that do not benefit Africans.
Couldn't you get black South Africans to come on the show so we could hear what 80% of the population thinks?
All these are puppets. This show itself is just another propaganda
They know what they are doing
European superiority
He monna …🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who cares? The 'majority' all have an IQ of less than 90, on average😆😅🤣😂😁
Russia and Putin are using SA to hit back at the US. Russia has no interest in Africa and want close ties with the N America and Europe.
Why is the UK regime such a strong supporter of the US regime
Exactly!
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Because America is an extension of the UK. South Africa, and any other country, should be concerned about its own interest and act in that regard. South Africa and the rest of the world has seen and understood the double standard of the west. Times are charging all around us, still the west still herself as the yard stick for the rest of the world. We all understand the reasons behind the Ukrainian crisis. Proxy war to me is a lazy man's war. That's what the west are currently doing in Ukraine. South Africa should remain strong and do what is right for the country. As an African, I still do remember those that rapped the continent. I still remember those that enslaved my people in the past, and, are still stealing my continent resources. As long as we remember the past, our heads will remain with us. We know who our friends are.
Long live the MOTHER LAND.
UK regime is vessel state of USA. just like Germany, which still supports Ukraine even though it enters recession because of following USA orders. However, Germany have short term thinking because EU and USA sanctions on Russia, dollar as world currency comes to end. and USA being protector of Europe comes to end
@@peterdavid228I think you do the West a grave disservice by slandering it in this way. The East also partook in such things. Defending Africas interests for the sake of Africa sure but making it like the West is the exclusive evil in the world and in the past is a gross misrepresentation of history and facts.
I'm very embarrassed that this man was representing south africa holding such views. I wonder how much damage was done during his time
He is Cape Townian most probably a DA voter. Can’t expect a pro-African stance from those lot.
well said
@theonly lol what exactly is a pro-African stance?
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ...
South Africa has got about 80% of black population, they have got political parties, professionals of all kinds so if u wanted a fair view u would have put even them on your panel that u can get a balanced view of the state affairs inside the country
It's easy to get a balanced view of SA. But you have to do it in the day, in the night there's no electricity, so you can't view anything, it's so dark 😂😂😂.
In the day, you see hundreds of thousands of jobless people walking around. 83 people get murdered everyday and a woman is raped ever 7 minutes.
Thank the ANC government and black sub culture
Exactly. This Roundtable show is turning into an instrument of western propaganda 🚮
@@nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219 where's your roundtable or do you still eat on the floor?
@@not.likely 🙄 Jesus, that's something an 11 year old would come up with 🤣 You honestly couldn't do better than that? 🤦🏽♂️
@@nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219 you sounded like a 9 year old, so I gave you 2 years extra credit
Imagine having a discussion about Africa and having a panel of "africans" with European origins
Why do South Africa need to answer to Europeans? Who does the Europeans answers to in Africa?
Don’t be so butt hurt. It’s just a question
Why are Europeans speaking for an African. This shows how the world views South Africa, as a European outpost an European island if you may
russia is a white nation dude ! they are some of the most ancient of white people !
They are racist nazis the racist west
@@Lungelo_K_Moshoela Exactly, that’s how they view it. Neo-colonialism is still going on.
THE BETTER QUESTION IS WHY DO NATO SUPPORT UKRAINE TO THE EXTENT OF NUCLEAR WAR !!!! 🕷
Who cares? We have our own problem here, and it starts with an A and ends with a C.
There is no nuclear war, just a fascist invasion into a democratic country. NATO has said from the very beginning that we will not tolerate annexations and genocide, for now we are boiling the frog. But when push comes to shove we will destroy the empire of evil. So do not make new friends that you need to bury a week from now.
So we can have a nuclear war. Rock on nuclear war 👊👊👊
@@marcosiebert4548 US and NATO invaded Iraq and Libya, Israel a US ally continues to annex and genocide Palestinian people despite UN and Amnesty Intl condemnation. The west has selective outrage which is why majority of the global south is not on board with the collective west's sanctions on Russia
@@marcosiebert4548 Do you really think ukriane is a democratic country? You might need to research more and you will find out that the country you are defending ,willing to die for, willing to spend every cents and lastly a country that might cause a nuclear fallout is not that innocent after all.U.S and ukriane have cause the inflation around the world and I don't think the public are agreed to the mess this two countries are causing.These two corrupt countries are joining forces together to send every govt.into collapse and what for? Resources...
Russia and Cuba were crucial in the fight for independence in Angola, Mozambique, Congo, South Africa, Burkina Faso, Namibia, Sao Tome and Prince, and many more countries. Africa and Russia's friendship is not only economic, it is MORAL. The West may have amnesia about its current and historical treatment of Africa but Africans don't…”Your enemies are not our enemies”..Nelson Mandela.
CORRECLY said period .
CORRECLY said period .
@@bellohadiza9414 he was wrong
Russia isn't all of the Eastern European Communist governments
The Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic under the USSR was much more crucial for Indigenous South Afcns than Russia back then.
American doesn't have a moral compass. What hypocrisy. SMH
if American leadership have moral compass, world knows the meaning sovereignty. But, USA leaders don't respect sovereignty of other nations or not to use USD as the weapons
Neither does South Africa?
Exactly!! The devils themselves want to tell who we should support lol 😂
@@dianamincher6479 SA invade other countries based on lies??
@@theonly6359 who is real devils ??
Because Russia helped them against the apartheid government silly
So did the west; USA, Europe etc
@@pattyharp2175 the west only helped us when it saw that regime change was coming and that they wanted to be on the right side of history. How would they help us when they were also having racial segregations in their own countries?
@@pattyharp2175 the west as well as the USA were the strongest supporters of the apartheid government until such time that it wasn't viable business wise. The US labeled our freedom fighters as terrorists
@@pattyharp2175 The West were the colonizers. What are you taking about?
@@pattyharp2175 😂
I think the war in Ukraine is not a big issue where Sout Africa is concern. But rather the issues with BRICS. Because the west is concerned about BRICS. Which they the west is going after BRICS country by country. And they are growing.
war in Ukraine may not be a concern for South Africa for now... But I would worry about food/wheat supplies halted. And russia's interest in Africa's natural resources. Is Africa able to stop ru on their own without west assistance? Bec. if west is not willing to help, ru could easily take over Africa's natural resources. And that could happen next. IMHO
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ...
I agree with you. People don't see the bigger picture of the west
@@lloyddanisa8886 the biggest problem of the west is that the west needs JESUS.
@@sparklingwaters8990 Africa has its own food, Dumbass
How can the US, whose planes bombed Libya and killed its leader, accuse any country for not sensuring Russia for invading an enemy-hosting neighbour?
They (USA) also bombed my country - Serbia, but the list is long: Iraq, Vietnam, Afganistan... They obviously think they are the mighty God. Not any more🙏 Greedy, greedy West, your days are over
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US bombs did not kill the Libyan leader, Libyan citizens killed the leader.
Ukrainians do not want Russian troops telling them whats what and shooting their kids and seniors or pulverising whole areas of their land with artillery of various description.
You claim to have had enough hassle with whitey.
However I dont recall whitey going to such extremes without retrebution and on a much smaller scale.
Allow us to know what these people are like. They are of our continent and have shown themselves over the centuries to be stoical and utterly ruthless.
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ...
SA didn't send weapons to the war. Not even a pistol. Not a single cent.
The measure of arrogance with which the West speak concerning developing countries like those in Africa are the main reasons for their posture. Africa is in a subtle way, demonstrating that you in the West need them more than they need you. Whenever Africa is united and thinks that it is sufficiently armed, it will not tolerate any affront from the West.
It's mostly the big Western powers. The Nordic countries, Ireland, Mexico and so forth have never done anything besides help us, including in the freedom struggle. In fact, Mexico was the first country to condemn Apartheid in the UN and to demand sanctions against the Apartheid government. We need to remember, when we are strong, those who helped us when we were weak.
@@unclescipio3136 Apart from a few politicians condemning apartheid in speeches, how has Ireland and the nordic countries helped us exactly?
@@nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219 Denmark, for eg, is one of the strongest supporters of NEPAD, and has given South Africa literally billions of dollars. They're also in an energy partnership with us, and donate substantially to programmes aimed at rebuilding our energy infrastructure. Sweden was the only Western country to officially support the anti-Apartheid movement, in the face of strong opposition from the US and UK. They supplied over $500 million in the 1970s to the Frontline states, and set up a fund for legal defense in South Africa for freedom fighters in custody of the Apartheid government. They also began a boycott on South African goods in the 1960s already. It supports NEPAD, as does Finland, who also sends us aid. These are small countries, and their contributions to Africa are a significant percentage of their GDP.
Ireland, despite being relatively poor, has consistently provided us with development aid, including participation in the Fast Track Agriculture Programme since 1994. They hosted Kader Asmal and other ANC cadres in exile, and the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement was influential and loud. Also, IRA and ANC fighters trained together, on occasion. Nelson Mandela was granted the Freedom of Dublin before his release from prison.
This is only a small selection of what they've done and continue to do for us. They've all suffered from colonialism and imperialism in their past (Ireland's suffering was particularly brutal), which probably explains their compassion. All of them have given us more help than Russia has in the past three decades.
The one grouping are peasants and the other are not. Its as simple as that folks.
So Davie think again.
Only thing SA is demonstrating is how to destroy a country and turn all it's people into state-dependant, ignorant slaves.
I love how the Afrikaners spent over 15 years fighting against Soviet backed Angola, Namibia and Cuba only for this to happen 😂
It's a different country now South Africa not ain't got nothing to do with boers they're just a burden
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ....
I still do not think that South Africa has taken a side. I think RSA is acting in the interest of world peace as an "honest" broker. This interpretation of RSA siding with Russia is just nonsense and it designed to put undue pressure. Sadly, I do not see RSA moving from it position.
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Precisely
SA think they'll gain something from sitting on the fence, by not planning how to negotiate international troubled waters, by stuffing the pockets of the political well connected + by not telling patronising nations where they can go.
Fence sitters usually land up losers - because they don't know what the word loyalty or honoring pacts mean. The Ukranian ppl + their demolished country can tell fence sitters a lot, but they're not interested.
The ruling party with its main opposition party should take notice of the ground breaking changes driving the future of this planet.
Would like to know how Putin sees this crows nest of divided loyalty due to weak + waffling SA leadership.
Pretty much "We did not arrest Blair or Bush so why should we arrest Putin"
Broe, we literally condemned Iraq invasion, Libyan invasion with the same energy we put on Ukraine invasion. It's just now the situation doesn't suit the West hence they expect us to treat Ukraine with speciality and be aggressive to Russia in a manner we never were against them who have committed more atrocities during our time.
The main sponsors of the war are always asking the wrong questions, peddling lies to keep the war going...Instead of peace they are coming with this intelligence nonsense accusations to make the war bigger...How many times have we heard the line "war is good for business"...Their game is too thin and too transparent
Hey Mr Brain, tell us how to end the war! Ill pay for your Pizzas for the rest of your life!
Go ahead and extend the Lifetime Pizza sponsorship to Ukraine
@Marco Siebert well firstly... bringing more guns to the battlefield is the first wrong move America made... you cannot stop a war by aiding it.. it only promotes more killings... instead we should negotiate for peace talks an broker a deal for peace... you know that sounds much better than nuclear war
End the war by pumping in more weapons into Ukraine
Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union and the US, China and the EU don't support this. Russia had nothing to do with the change in the government in SA. Read what Boris Yeltsin had to say about the Soviet Union in Cuba and Africa and dumped them. The ANC was being bankrolled by the US and supported by the people in the US. President Regean tried to sell the apartheid government ten billion dollars worth of arms and a black man name Eric Gray was the speaker of the house passed a law stopping this sale. This bill placed sanction, on the apartheid government and the next week EU did the same thing. The apartheid government sent an African to the US to champaign, against this bill whom i will not name.
Propaganda channel this one. Why don't you get the opinion of the black majority. Majority of people in South Africa are black, get their opinion. Stop talking exclusively to people you agree with
We South Africans are friends with everyone including the West but most importantly Russia for its role during Apartheid.
If you think Russia does anything out of some benevolent characteristics, you are severely retarded. The only reason Russia has ever supported a country is to desperately try to go against the US and the west
definitely agree with you
A people who vote for a government like SAs who keep a 1/3 of its population unemployed should be not taken seriously at all. Let them learn Russian who cares.
That was not the Russia of today.
@@bobbygabriel9574 its off no use to be clouded by your mainstream media an expect people to side along with you, we know what's been happening in Ukraine since 2014
Europeans think economic investments are everything, and guarantee political support. Russia made a soulful investment with S.A which is almost invaluable.
They can take their investments and shove them where the sun don't shine. We stand with Russia 🇷🇺❤️🇿🇦
@@nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219 stay poor then houtkop
@@starkmad5351 You only putting this energy because you know that the future doesn't guarantee your existing privileges. 😂
@@starkmad5351 take your wealth to your father's house. why would the west be so much bothered with a poor Africa ?!!!
@@ronaldmatovu why would Russia? They cannot even help them selves .. I guess the west feels sorry for the spear chukkas in Africa.. natives cannot keep the lights on since they took over from thr master race .. Hopeless
South Africa is an independent sovereign nation. She is no longer a colony of the UK, and neither is she a US colony.
A Russian colony
@@willvangaal8412 A fellow member in BRICS together with Russia.
@@willvangaal8412 Lol, keep telling yourself that. So long as it gets you off.😂
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ...
Those are not South Africans
...says the central African Bantu settler. Walk on your bare pink feet back from where your ancestors came - there's a mud 🛖 and a few flies waiting for you.
Europeans and some mix Asians discussing us lol 😂😆
Strange that this panel does not have black people, timo talk about a black South Africa
SA had a very special relationship with Russia from the sixties.let the USA keep it's Aid that comes with a lot of strings attached on it.
Why is America a big supporter of Britain?😂😂😂
What's so special about two idiots talking to each other?
A special relationship Soviets not Russia, which included Ukraine.
@@ikp4success doesn't include Ukraine any more, from 2017 when your uncle Stalin murdered 3.9 million Ukrainians. The Ukraine has every reason to hate Russia and if you support Russia, then most likely you too.
That includes the ARVs right.
Any and every country that took part in colonialism should be black listed by the entire Africa for at least the next 200 years.
That's a great idea - then SA and the rest of Africa can return to the dark ages. That is the best idea I have yet heard - in the past 30 years the ANC have done nothing but loot the country and literally burn it down. The colonial countries must also ban all Africans from going over into their countries. The colonial countries must also not contribute any funds or help to Africa,
😆😅🤣😂😁 Africa is economically primitive, backward and insignificant. African 'sanctions' would be as harmful as a fart in the wind🦧
Please put down the colonial cell phone in your hand first.
You talk like Africans never did anything bad to other Africans...such a peaceful continent....LOL
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These guys shouldn't be talking on behalf of SA or Africa as a whole, SA knows the recent history of apartheid, and the role the west played in it and they also know who were their friends when they were fighting that EVIL.
South Africa’s loyalty is not merely to Russia, but rather the USSR. This is why the stance of “active non-alignment” that it has taken has made so much sense.
What is irrational is this “if they are not with us, they must be against us” mentality that’s being espoused by the West.
Actually, it’s because Russia is corrupt and funnels money into the ANC. The ANC is allied with a communist political party too.
Irag, Libya , Palestine and Apartheid. Should we ignore and forget and move on? Well, let's all move on and forget about atrocities of Nazi Germany. Fair enough! No reparations. Reality is White Supremacy is perpetuated and it's sickening. Who has moral campass . We will for ever be annoyed about the destruction of Libya to name one. Boers and their congenious have a nerve.
Let Anc fix the crime rate, hunger, electricity crisis, job loss, corruption where cadres get tenders and contracts rather then touring Ukraine and Russia. Sweep before your own Kaya before you want to go sweep other people's kayas. Zambia and Rwanda is winning the African race for economy, peace , tolerance for fellow human beings , the right to 24 hour electricity, the right for women to walk outside the house safely at night etc.
A very good revisitation of one of Russia's great writers. Tolstoj or Dostojevkj (???).
@@slapriemgoudbal what does that have to do with the point I’ve made? What were the logical steps taken to get to the point where you started complaining about the ANC’s very apparent incompetencies?
BECAUSE they DO know Russia was being PUSH and CORNER by NATO! In fact, more than half of the world knows this. The card, good guy, bad guy, does not work anymore!
Russia was designated to become a member of NATO, it would already be part of the alliance but Putin decided to end democracy in Russia and increased oppression in their colonies in Asia, Europe and the Balkans (remember Chechnya, Buryatia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Lithuania, Ukraine 2014). Look how they extract natural recourses from Siberia without spending one Rule developing that region. Russia has turned into a fascist empire. That is why they are afraid of NATO.
Russia was never pushed into a corner by anyone. They drank and drugged themselves to death. They're not competitive, nation of hill billies
@@marcosiebert4548 You trying too hard and that is because you are on the losing side 😂
If Russia was Nato who was going to be enemy then, because you need enemies to sell arms. Maybe Africa would have been
Just out of curiosity, who do you think should decide who joins NATO?...Russia or the countries that feel threatened by Russia?
South Africa is a sovereign country and cannot be bullied into selling its sovereignity over so called investment and Algoa. Regardless of those our population is suffering as if there is no foreign investments or so called trade relationship. The war is political and we have a political stance. we cannot abandone our political stance because of foreign investments and trade. After all all these halabaloos are perpertuating neo-colonialism and neoimperialism.
Unfortunately, ANC is loosing power to the manufactured "South Africans", the DA and their friends. Then it's many steps back for us 😢
If South Africa wants to remain free she ought to live out an unaligned position.
Oh please, the citizens of South Africa are bullied by their corrupt leaders. Deal within first, then maybe South Africa will be taken seriously.
Funny how you say that with a straight face, yet when the collective West messed with their sovereignty during the 80s, resulting in the complete destruction of the country, it's infrastructure and looting by communists to the point that ALL South Africans are now far worse off than they ever were under apartheid, that intervention is suddenly fine.
You have not met The Bear.
South African is not a vassal of United States of America.
We are sovereign state.
We are not going to be intimidated by their investment.
There is another country, who are interested to invest in our Mother Land (SA).
(ANC)SA have been allies with Soviet union way before Russia-Ukraine war, before 1991, incuding Ukraine.
Why is America a big supporter of Britain?😂😂😂
Money.
And also a vast majority of white Americans see Britain as a homeland.
Maney amd WAR’S .
@@kantovagrant3194 they call n it old country with affection
They both love destroying other countries and toppling legitimate governments.
Since when was south Africa an important player in international politics. Never before.
you're deluded
Now it is.
South Africa is a nightmare in the world.
The sad thing is US and Europe sanction S.A...Africa has 53 countries who will stop all ties with them because in AFRICA...SOUTH AFRICA IS THE POWERHOUSE.
That is why the tables are shaking....their trade will be in ruins..they forget we supply fruits,vegetables,meat and minerals and precious stones.
If America and Europe sanction us , Africa will deal with South America, Asia, Islands,Middle East...trust me the demand is there.
People don't get it ,is that Africa has ties with the whole word and the same countries in the world hardly have more than 5....therefore we are in favor to win ✊🌍✊🌍✊🌍✊🌍✊🌍✊🌍✊🌍✊🇿🇦✊🇿🇦✊🇿🇦✊🇿🇦✊🇿🇦✊🇿🇦✊🇿🇦✊🇿🇦
Very well said
30 % global are with russia you will lost 70% of export to tje west there are more countries who will provide the west within there sircle
Powerhouse???LOL
@@oldskoolrools1353 Yes SA is power house of Africa, no nation come close in Africa. remember, this is not an opinion contest but is based on reality and facts. SA possess all the quality of power house of Africa which is economy, political, media, geography, resources, education, history, sports and migration.
Untill they offer another African country that title. We all know many African politicians couldn't care about anyone but themself.... El Nino is a thing this year. Loadshedding preventing the watering of crops. 80% plus of South African trade is with the west. China wants to import food. Russia needs it's own food.... People will starve of there is sanctions. This is about politics not about the ANC or Russians caring. They don't. ANC actually put in a appeal to have hospitals exempt from loadshedding. But hey maybe you have more evidence that your communist overlords care about you.....
South Africa 🇿🇦 is not a strong support of Russia, if it were, it would openly side with Russia 🇷🇺 without fear of the US and it’s vassals given how Russia 🇷🇺 stood with South Africa 🇿🇦 in its fight against racism, colonialism, imperialism, hypocrisies……… etc 😢😢😢😢
Vlad knows how to play the game with thee victim politicians
@@chrisbornman5460 Pov: Your controlled by the American government
I Assume your are a white person😂😂😂
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I didn’t finished the interview,I felt like none of those people know the answer put forward there,Is a tricky one for South Africa,All the countries that helped South Africa during apartheid are not friends with SA,Mandela once told U.S.A. that they must not conclude that whoever is their enemies should also be SA enemies
SA doesn't need the west investment like the west needs to be in Africa that's the first point these clowns are skipping over. The fear is that SA and the Brics, which has bigger markets and can offer everything and more than what the US/EU can. SA doesn't need EU's designer brands. EU nor the US offer any real asset that SA can't get from the BRICS +. SA needs to take back their land and allow China to train the people in those areas that take advantage of their resources. I suspect if SA moved in that way, the EU/US would beg to stay. The point is Africa has the leverage not the EU/US. The US has been reduced to using sellout AA's to do their bidding in trying to convince everyone the the US has the leverage.
you have no glue buddy.
South Africa is the power house of Africa, this morons knows very well that SA is influencing other African countries to block the west. Brazil is power house of South America and they should uniter against the west, We expect Saudi to lead middle East against the west, China to lead Asia against the west. We all as humans have one common enemy that holds our progress and is the west and it's descendants. This are the enemy of mankind
@marcosiebert4548 and yet you're stuck. Well said @mdjx6838
Well said 💯
Why is there an all white panel talking about africa 🤔 reminds of aparthied
Because this show is a tool for western propaganda 🚮
ANC reminds me of apartheid with all its new apartheid legislation against Indians coloureds and whites. They repeating history 😂😂
@Samantha Holm if they were repeating history you would in prison for the colour of your skin, you would be asked to travel around with a passbook everywhere you went, your movements would've been restricted by law, and your children would've been prevented from getting an education, whilst being harassed by armed police gangs...now Has that happened ????
@nelsonsibiya9204 not being able to work and having to move out the area you live in is like the area act. But it's more sneaky. Both ways people are unemployable and people will starve. This new behavior is despicable. The past was terrible. So what must we repeat the past? Why? Must we wait and see if it goes that way?
@Samantha Holm You are angry because your skin colour no longer determines privileges that you lot were accustomed to. So what, that you moved out of your favourite area....that's what happens when you can't afford to live there, live within your means...white people are not entitled to live in mansions like kings, those days are over. Unemployable....just like everyone else. I will admit that the ANC is a failing organisation, but don't you dare minimise the disgusting brutality that black people faced under your previous regime by trying to make non existent comparison with the current government. You don't know what it feels like to live under a truly brutal regime that robs you of your entire humanity.
South African dynamic is that 80% - 90% of the wealth is concentrated with the people who benefitted from apartheid. This portion of the country is also very pro-west. The majority of the country supports closer ties with Russia and China, but doesn't have the financial clout that the opposition has. remember during apartheid Russia supported the ANC with recourses to fight apartheid
So what you're actually saying is that it's OK for Russia to bomb Ukrainian cities into oblivion and allow its soldiers and mercenaries to rape, torture an murder innocent women, children and elderly because the Soviet Union's leaders supported the ANC in their fight against Apartheid decades ago? That's a weird way of thinking, especially since Russia's political leaders in 2023 aren't the ones who helped the ANC in the 1960s-1980s.
That was 30 years ago. ANC ministers salary in about R100k a month. The average Eskom employee salary is R70k a month, for doing nothing. Jacob Zuma's house is worth R260m, Magashule's birthday party cost R5million, these are the wealthy people in S.A. They pay a tenders R400k for fumigation, R18k to change light bulbs, it's got nothing to do with apartheid. Communism will only benefit the leaders, that is how it works, Russia and China is exaclty the same. The people will suffer as long as they vote for communists.
@@kooskoekemoer 80% - 90% of the wealth is concentrated with the people who benefitted from apartheid. This portion of the country is also very pro-west. Facts
@@siphiwesimelane5773 Back then maybe, not today, that is a fact.
@@siphiwesimelane5773 In the last couple of decades all the wealth is concentrated with the state. That is why everyone is poor, blacks and whites.
You guys are forgetting that the west and America supported appartied in South Africa when Russia came and helped free them. And so the people of South know who their friends are.
Exactly 💯💯
It was the West's sanctions that eventually ended the Apartheid regime. And white SA business men were talking to the ANC long before Mandela was released.
Wow you can talk rubbish. At least read a book about the truth about South African history
@@samanthaholm9634 You white folks like to defend rubbish,who doesn't know that the west supported apartheid in SA?Margaret Thatcher the then UK prime minister called freedom fighter Nelson Mandela a terrorist and the highly hypocritical USA listed Mandela among the terrorists until 2001 and that clearly explains how the west stood on the side of apartheid South Africa
Russia helped free them.....LOL
One of the most laughable points here is when people keep talking about AGOA.
First, by 2025 will the US be having guts and financial means to scrap the AGOA? The dollar is dying a faster than anticipated death. If those 20 plus countries join the BRICS and the new currency gets launched, then why should South Africa worry about AGOA?
So far all see I see are cleptocratic countries looking to sign up....just like we all know what "made in china" really means
This show is just western propaganda, I stopped taking it seriously a while ago 🚮
@jonathan you must be daydreaming.
KLEPTOCRATIC , they so become because they are joining the BRICS. Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, have they been US allies for how long? Did you complain about it?
Argentina is kleptocratic? And what's democracy to you again? LGBTQ champion Emmanuel Macron who's been breaking eyes, knees, and ankles of gilets jaunes " Yellow vests" just because they are demonstrating? And what did he just do with protesters fighting against his retirement law he unconstitutionally pushed through?
Or democracy is the US, a country that is built in genocide and slavery, where blacks still have no rights?
I gotta tell you some: you're living 40 years back. Embrace the reality of multilatralism because the trend won't stop. Ukraine war is the beginning of US downfall, dedollarization will accelerate, and China centric multilatralism is here to stay.
Thank you! The American economy is doomed anyway
@@mmathabomaibelo6276 You studied economics in a mud hut?
Hi from Russian north . I’m Asian my vote always for my great president - V.V Putin ❤
Long live president Putin❤️🇷🇺
Shame - you haven't a clue.
@@bobbygabriel9574 you overdid the vaccine 😂😂
You support a corrupt, war criminal.
Long live
Ibrahim you were not supposed to represent S.A. here not that I am discriminating against you
I am discriminating. Get this stain off screen and make him stop blabbering. He is not a representative of anything African.
How does the west expect South African support when they supported apartheid ????
They suffer from amnesia
Rasool surprise me. Don't know what happened to him. Much are being said of the Agoa agreement which basically slash tariffsbfo SA goods to USA. Did Rasool forget that SA was forced to import chicken from the US which already had a shelf life in the US and frozen again to shipped to SA. When SA found out and wanted to test the chicken, they were threatened by the US that they will cancel Agoa if they do that? Needless to say that they do not test it. So why is everyone scared of Agoa when a partner treat you with such disrespect.
That’s even worse. So America 🇺🇸 want to poison South Africans. Why can’t we raise our chickens, why should they come from America 🇺🇸??
SA doesn't support sanctions. That's all. Ignoring ICC is not a big deal. US does it.
The US isn't part of the ICC but SA is. Only because the US lost their morals, does that mean SA should conduct themselves on their level too?
@Deep Blue Diving Exploration ..and Russia is not a member. Neither is Ukraine. So no jurisdiction.
@@deepbluedivingexploration yes, yes it does.
As i South African Citizen all i am hearing is rotten fear.
Russia and China liberated Africa, they supported all the liberation movements, giving them arms, training and humanitarian aid. The NATO countries supported our oppressors, we cannot abandon Russia in its time of need.
true hence all the war and death throughout africa over the last 30 years ! well done russia and china ! you killed heap of those africans without having to fire a bullet ! very very smart people !
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ....
Russia was one of the few countries which supported the struggle against apartheid when almost all western countries supported the regime.
Not Russia alone supported the liberation struggles in Africa, but the Soviet Union of which Russia and Ukraine were two of the 15 republics which made up the Soviet Union. South Africa must understand that most of the weapons it receivet from the U.S.S.R. were manufactured in Ukraine.
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ....
@@MrKiwuuwamost people don't seem to realise this. More people should.
Why wouldn't South Africa support Russia? While the west supported and propped up the apartheid regime, Russia supported the groups that would eventually end the racist regime. In short, Russia supported the people over the government. Those people are now adults and part of the voting electorate in South Africa.
So in your opinion Russia's current leaders have the right to murder innocent civilians in 2023, because the Soviet Union/Russia's previous leaders (all of them long since dead) helped the ANC fight Apartheid decades ago? Yeah, that makes perfect sense...
Exactly
This guy represented south Africa in the US meaning he has some history with the states making them his favorite choice
The guy is not serious
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ....
South Africa has Right to relate cordially to Russia.
Offcourse 👍👍🇿🇦❤️🇷🇺❤️🤝🤝
Yes we do 💯
So you support Russian kidnapping and bombing of civilian housing ?
Because the Europeans and US have been discriminated against Africa, colonized, plundering, exploiting, stole raw materials, resources, meddling and started many coups to overthrown the leaders
That's right, we have made Africa better.
Lies. You always hated the modern way, that's why you're destroying everything. You're taking it down to a level that you are capable of understand. It's called ground level.
Don't forget to mention the Arabs and India. They were here plundering Africa long before the whites arrived. And when they left, they left you with nothing.
Go to your Arab and Russian masters. Go to your Indian masters. They will treat you like they treat their own people, like dirt
Sold out by African leaders .....if you put it up sale it will be sold.,.,
nobody could come close to stealing more from ordinary Africans than African leaders
India, also. And a lot of people worldwide support Russia!
Obviously,they have NO EXPERIENCE of THE BEAR WITH THE PERMENANTLY SORE HEAD.
Mother Russia is always a friend and partner of the AFRICANS without strings attached but helping humanity said majority from the GLOBAL SOUTH Period .
🇿🇦❤️🇷🇺❤️🤝🤝
Why is not friendly with neighbors?
@@sandyflowers9201 mother Russia is friend to any body that refused to bring The trouble makers call NATO to it doorstep
Yes ❤
What is a moral compass, and who defines it, the west??
What i find amusing is that, the Western Investors think that by investing in South Africa they doing RSA a favour. As a🇿🇦citizen i will say they dis invest. We dont care about those low- paying job
Think before posting, your ignorance is astounding
Yes 💯 They must take their investments back to Europe and America 🚮
@@nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219 your ignorance is astounding
@@phoenixrising427 I'm absolutely devastated that you think I'm ignorant, what will ever become of me now. In fact I don't think I'll be able to sleep for weeks 😢
It's not ignorance to miss something we never saw n enjoyed over the years. There's a reason why SA is known as the most unequal society in the world.
Well done Africa 🌍 🌍 🌍 🌍 🌍 🌍
We are BRICS and BRICS is us
Stupid as bricks...
We're also PROUD AFRICANS, and real AFRICANS don't care about COLONIZERS FEELINGS.
Watch the lights go out?
@@dianamincher6479 lol..the west is paying our government to watch the lights go out...the irony
South Africa is a friends of Russia from the majority black population view point
That's it and they must get it and stop spinning issues😂😂
Yes. All these Europeans making noise here must go back to their motherland and leave us in peace 🤦🏽♂️
Afs - masters of stupidity, ignorance, primitivism and uselessness 🚮
why do people think everything is about money?
Because that’s their mentality.
@@theonly6359 that is a stupid mentality
@@LLEntertainment yes
I love how the panel is a reflection of South Africa. Also, why give South Africa heat when the majority of nations on the continent have also taken the same stance as SA on this war, simply put, they don't want to dragged into it.
The title should read "why is Africa minding its own business"
End Time Biblical Prophecies Being Fulfilled:
Matthew 24:6-7-8
6 "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
8 All these are the beginning of birth pains." ...
Its called BRICS. The S is South Africa.
Africans have a solid & respectful relationship with Russia - since the USSR. The Russians were some of the few people who stood side by side with Africans fighting colonialism.
USSR, not Russia, Ukraine was part of the USSR.
The majority of the ANC cadres trained in Ukraine.
@@alenmaia6514 Stop with your lies. You mean those blonde Ukrainians who prevented black people from boarding the trains that were carrying people away from the war to a place of safety were once upon a time not racists? If that is true we can conclude that being closer to NATO which consists of countries which committed despicable atrocities against African people turned them to racists.
ANC/Russia peas in the same pod.
Gangster State
@@marcosiebert4548 indeed on the peas in a pod part. They did fight apartheid and colonialism together in the case of African imperialism since the Bolshevics took over in 1917. So if you know your history yeah.
Russia is the successive state of ussr not ukraine. Ukraine was just a part of ussr.
Old fears of communist involvement in South Africa go back more than fifty years and the era of apartheid.
Militarily Russia is at par of the US. It is better for the world to have 2 and 3 superpowers.
Capitalist imperialists talk of "investment and tarde" when thy can't win a values case.
Its not south Africa...its Africans.
South Africa is not necessarily Russia's friend - the ANC is. The country is polarised on this issue.
You stupid
Accusing China of coercion but listening to this who actually coerced .. western speaking both ways .
They are double tongued.
Thank you for sharing, very interesting
South Africa is neutral in this war. What the West is expecting is that SA must be neutral by doing nothing with Russia, is that really neutral? What SA is doing is what it would be doing if there was no war. Its business as usual. SA has had military drills with the US before it did with China and Russia. This was in the works before the war started. To stop what you have planned with Russia before the war would mean you are not exactly neutral but sanctioning Russia in a way. I believe if Ukraine wanted to do something with SA then SA would proceed with that if it benefited both parties, its just that there relationship is limited so it obscures how neutral SA is
It is plain and simple: the US has to accept the independence of other countries and respect others sovereignty.
If the US thinks it can still be the sole hegemon in the world, it then will loose more.
It has to learn how to live with others, as the world has changed
The US regime will never accept anything other then total world domination
The NAFA with Canada, US and Mexico is the richest market in the world and along with Europe they are a class act. The Asian countries led by China understand this and they all want to trade with the N America. SA/Africa are in no position to fight with the N America with their might.
Ukraine's sovereignty?
@Bobby Gabriel Ukraine sovereignty is no different from DR Congo's, Iraq's, or Syria's.
Double standards of the US and West are why the dollar is dying a fast and pathetic death
@@itwillhappen8150 Wishful thinking.
13:27 those US corps should reflect on their own nation. Under US law we do recognize the authourity of the ICJ and further our laws authorize military force if the ICJ arrests a U.S. war criminal including US president Bush for his illegal invasion of Iraq.
This analyst forget Russian assistance to South Liberation struggle, which both Russia and Ukraine contributed to under USSR
What is the difference between USAs war and Russian wars aggression? Non. South Africa has the right to go with whoever they want.
Putin is going to be warmly welcomed by the black majority😂EU settlers will throw their tantrums
...and central African Bantu settlers will starve in the long run, while the European settlers have capital, skills, knowledge and mobility - everything that Afs lack😆😅🤣😂😁
The majority dont even know where Russia is and they cant read. 😂😂
@@samanthaholm9634 what a racist comment by an eu settler a child of van riebeck a prisoner deployed to annihilate the natives, shame on u read and learn abt how the educated and literacy rates have improved regarding the natives
@@samanthaholm9634 u such an ignoramus, Ukraine war is to cover up bidens corrupt relationship with Ukrainian oligarchy
@mannetjie The west is dead, BRICS is growing...the very same intelligent white saviours in the so-called west will be begging in the not so distant future...white arrogance and the inflated ego will come crashing down. You can bet on that.
Pretoria will continue supporting moscow because during Apartheid regime in SA, MOSCOW SUPPORTED SA WHILE THE RESR OF THE WORLD WERE QUITE, SO THE WEST MST SHUT UP,
Great debate... subscribed. Thanks
South Africa is not a strong supporter of Russia, they have remained neutral in the war and called for both parties to negotiate, further more South Africa has been a member of BRICS way before the war started, and the BRICS summit which will be held in August was decided before the war. South Africa is against the ICC the same way the US claimed to be against it in 2018 when they called it out for its hyprocacy and how they'll do everything by all means to oppose it. South Africa and the US do hold the same views about the ICC and that is why we are planning to withdraw from the ICC.
I kinda feel like this panel isn't diverse enough, they should have put people from other races as well.
There are no "races" you freak.
That’s what I thought too. It is difficult to listen to what they are saying 😂😂😂
Exactly. South Africa is 85% black 😂 These people are clowns 🚮
U stopped watching within 2 minutes don't wanna waste my time on western propaganda
A lot of this is to do with Russia offering nuclear power plants (at a price to the country and probably some oiling of palms).
probably?.....
Now there's a scary thought.....Russian nuclear technology in the hands of Africans...
Bit late for that. Lights have already gone out.
@@mnnh1no they haven’t!!
I must say Rasool for an ANC veteran was a huge disappointment on this one... The west might be the biggest contributor investment-wise but its a known fact that the west is in a position it finds itself in economically due to Africa's and South Africa's mineral resources. This is exactly why South Africa will never have a non-black president... I mean even with our spineless Cyril Ramaphosa as a president at least he still supports Russia to a certain extent. Why has Netanyaru, George Bush, Tony Blair, Obama and more leaders even the apartheid leaders never been issued with warrants of arrests for their crimes against humanity? The west can't look to any country as not being moral compasses for it is no moral compass at all.
I tell you why in simplest form: nobody gives a rat about any international laws, including USA , UK etc. so all your international laws are like an open door policy
You people frustrate me.
Because Rsa has been supported by Russia from before 1994. Russia supported the ANC struggle from the beginning
What a pathetic 'struggle' it was😆😅🤣😂😁
@@mannetjie3248 from the 1960's until 1994 the Nationalist Government warned the population repeatedly and the world, not to vote and back the ANC for the very reasons you see since 1994. So the masses must not squeal but suck it up.
If you think Russia does anything out of some benevolent characteristic, you are deluded.
Former ambassador is asking us to be slaves and eat cake.
We saw Cuba use ww2 piston engined transport to stage flights from the carribean via South America to Africa via morrocc to deli er payloads to soutren African front line state in the 1960s
Who in the west has a moral compass
those sending billions in aid to Africa every year....
@@oldskoolrools1353 And how much did you plunder from Africa ??
@@nelsonsibiya9204 lol...read some actual history rather than reciting your victim narrative. If you do open a history book about imperial history you would learn that some countries such as the UK actually invested large sums in Africa. That's why some countries have remnants of railways and industry. Of course Africans have built on that investment since to make highly successful economies haven't they?
@Oldskoolrools What a joke...by book you mean a European colonial settlers interpretation of events...what a clown. "Britain invested in Africa", where you actually having a laugh whilst you made that statement. Here are the facts boy, that so-called investment in railway was actually to carry as much loot as they could possibly plunder to sea, thus, carrying it off to Europe to prop their factories....now those are facts..who came to Europe to beg on bended knee for the so-called "investment" ???
😂😂😂😂Fuunny enough The are no Morals in all Western Countries ALL😂😂😂
South Africa is run by the higgest criminal organization in Africa and thats the ANC.
The title screams, "people are destitute of history" or "they have a short memory". America was busy propping up an apartheid regime in South Africa until 1988. Russia had been helping to bring down the apartheid regime and assisted ANC in doing so. It is a puzzle that the same America seeks and expects favor against Russia from South Africa. Betrayal is inexcusable, although it is fashionable at Fogey Bottom.
African South Africans would understand
Comprehension and Africans are mutually exclusive terms.
@@mannetjie3248you and matter are also mutually exclusive terms (since we wanna play with words) you don't matter.
We do understand!!
Who are also the majority of the country. Add to it
why are the panelists all white
I find it funny that most of the comments disagree with the views on the show , do you want to perhaps hide them.? 😂😂😂😂
True lol 😂
On 16 December 1966, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2202 A (XXI) identified apartheid as a "crime against humanity". The Apartheid Convention, as it came to be known, was adopted by the General Assembly on 30 November 1973 with 91 member states voting in favour, four against (Portugal, South Africa, the United Kingdom and the United States) and 26 abstentions. The convention came into force on 18 July 1976.
Why is there no black man to reflect our views ?