Kashtira MUST KNOW Rulings and Timing (also won't like)
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- Scareclaw Kashtira is the most misinforemd monster.
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Lessons here:
Battles VS Battled,
Continuous effects and how they apply vs Applied effects and Lingering effects.
I love how some of you who disagreed with Pankratops ruling immediately check with judges at the judge group... Continuous effects and that monster is no longer that same copy when it hits the GY.
So can you use the tear traps with Facedown tear, can I also use the kash traps with Facedown as well like preparation? I know the other trap doesn't say control and says xyz on the Field but i believe it will still get it's floodgate effect even if it's booked.
I was trying to take the judges test, so I can be an official (recognized) judge, that way I can create a "Rulings" Website detailing EVERYTHING down to its minute
this came up Kash shang locks all 5 opp main monster zones , opp activate Triple Tactics effect to take a monster is the legal or can it not actiavte since all 5 zones are locked
@@RetroYGO The player that has all 5 zones locked can still activate Talent, however, they won't be able to choose monster control since they have locked zones. No monster can be placed in ANY main monster zone. The effect isn't limited to "Summoning" but "Placing' a monster in those locked zone are the same thing. They can, however, still choose the other 2 effects Talent has to either draw, or look at their opponent's hand.
Trick for activating effects in battle phase vs kashtira scareclaw: utilize the start step! Your opponent can not skip the start step and immediately declare attack, both players must agree to leave the start step of the battle phase before any player can declare attacks!
That is something people need to know.
@@MSTTV Can you explain what this is? I've never heard of this before (newer player, but og fan).
I always thought going into battle phase is just that. I don't understand what this start step is.
@@asuraphreak When a player enters the battle phase, there are 3 sequential steps (technically 4 if we include damage step, that only occurs if monsters battle)
Start Step - AKA the start of battle phase, this is a timing where players can activate spell speed 2 effects or triggers that occur during the start of the battle phase. You do not declare battle in this step. Should both players pass we move onto the Battle Step, think of it as mini little battle phase standby.
Battle Step - Turn player has priority, declare an attack
- Attack Declaration, Before Damage Step, Damage Step ---Start of Damage Step, Before Damage Calculation, During Damage Calculation, After Damage Calculation, End of Damage Step.. (im gunna summarize it) Repeat this until all the battle is done
End Step: ONce you enter end step you are no longer allow to conduct any more battles. (think of it as a mini end phase for Battle Phase) If both players have no effects we move on to MP2, this is the timing of evenly match. Which is why after you evenly match the opponent, you basically can only move forward to MP2 or activate other effects.
@@MSTTV Holy Fu.... This is why I'll never be a judge. I just attack and wait for effects. XD
Do you have a full break down of these things anywhere I could watch and save for later? Needed a hobby and figured I'd try yugioh out since I grew up watching the shows, despite my parents being against it. Thought I had it down but I feel like there are steps or mini steps I'm missing all the time.
Well said
Start Step, Battle Step, Damage Step, End Step.
I am coming back to Yugioh after a year, especially now that tear is gone. These videos help me stay up to date on the top decks and rulings.
Thank you for this video! It was very informative and helpful.
I have not been following long but I must say I do LOVE the content. Love the box/ pack openings, love the info on decks and cards! Keep it up 🙏🏽❤️
im so thankful for your information, im so much more confident when i vs meta decks in tournaments now. appreciate you frfr
Oh christ. That Kashtira Scareclaw effect.....this is going to be a ruling nightmare. I already know I'm going to have judges called on me every time, especially if there's multiple monsters on the field.
Good stuff to know! I’m planning on picking up Kashtira
So one question I have (I’ve had a lot of back and forth about it): Fenrir & Scareclaw Vs Dragoon. People are saying that Dragoon would be targetable by Fenrir when the attack is declared while Scareclaw Kashtira is on the board. However, as I understand it, the effect activation takes priority over Scareclaw’s continuous effect and allows Dragoon to negate the activation and destroy Fenrir due to fast effect timing.
Would love to hear your take on this.
Thanks that pank ruling was really informative, been wondering on how the kashtira scareclaw would be in different scenarios for my pure scareclaw deck !
I appreciate the explanation, I’m trying to get back into the game and videos like this help 👌
Good luck. Terrible time to get back in to it.
great time to come back :D
@@MSTTV yea sikee
Thanks for the content and the tips
Great video thank you ! 😋
As usual, great video, tom!
You are too kind
Kashtira can never block all monsters zones before his 5t summons. Nibiru is very good against Kashtira but warning Iblee
So how is the pank ruling here different (resolves to pop) than if I summoned an opponents pank with Ice dragons prison? I tried that on masterduel but panks effect to pop was negated then.
Hey TomBox,
could u explain if layrinth barrage can copy burn effects? A friend of mine was arguing that the `after this card resolves` conjunction would imply that u just cannot burn for the rest of the turn after resolving the effect but the eff would resolve and could burn for the final blow. He took extrav with a simluar condition as an example but i`m just not convinced. thanks and love ur ruling vids
Can you Change Of Heart if you have no monster zones, and if so what happens?
Yo assuming if I’m playing vs a kastira board, if I summon aleister in a 4 monster zone lock, get normal summon effect, resolves, can i use kurikara to clear the board they activated all their monsters effects?
is the last example with panks resolving the official ruling or OCG ruling precedent?
As a judge I would say the Kashtira Scareclaw would negate the Dino wrestler Pankratops. As Kashtira Scareclaw states that the monsters effects are negated until the end of the turn. Very much like Effect Veiler or Infinite Impermanence which will follow the monster into the graveyard. If the card was worded like. That face up monsters effects are negated until the end of the turn. I would rule the Dino Wrestler Pankratops effect would destroy the Kashtira Scareclaw. Much like Infinite Impermanence vs Breakthrough Skill. Breakthrough Skill states the monster must be face up for the monsters effects to be negated and Infinite Impermanence states the monsters effects is negated and does not state the monster must be face up to be negated until the end of the turn.
Edited: Correction. Effect Veiler was a bad example as it will not follow the monster to the graveyard.
As a judge, I agree.
As a judge I would disagree with Effect Veiler And impermance's comparison. We have to understand that this also is NOT a lingering effect or unclassified effect. This is continuous, and the rules of continuous effect apply in this case. That is constantly applying. But feel free to ask Judges Lounge/ adjudication group for more details.
After consulting with many fellow experts 3 months ago regarding this.
- The key take away is that it is a continuous effect that is constantly applying its effect after the attack occurred.
- From the DATABASE: If the scareclaw Kashtira is removed, the monster will no longer be negate, (this is logged), the effect no longer applies, also because of this since it is continuously applying it's effect to the monster is removed from the field, the continuous application is no longer there. The card doesn't state "while you control Scareclaw Kashtira" because it being a continuous effect, we know its stops applying if it is removed.
VS veiler / imperm: Those cards once they have resolved. They are appliED. Cards that activate on the field, resolve on the field. If they have a resolved effect that negates them on the field, then whatever that they activate will be negated regardless of where they go for cost because again the terminolgy is Resolved and Applied to the Card.
@@MSTTV I agree with the continuous statement. However.. We are not debating whether the continuous effect will continue to apply after it leaves the field but the comparison you described in the video. For example: Sense Kashtira Scareclaw is indeed a continuous effect. The effect will apply as long as Kashtira Scareclaw is face up. In your example Player B attacked with Dinowrestler Pankratops into Player A's Kashtira Fenrir while Kashtira Scareclaw is also face up and Kashtira Scareclaw negates the effects of any monster that battles a Kashtira monster. If Player B activates Dinowrestler Pankratops while the Kashtira Scareclaw is still face up. The Dinowrestler Pankratops effects would be negated as long as Kashtira Scareclaw is still face up at the end of Dinowrestler Pankratops resolution. Or that is how I would rule it.
@@anthonyhawks777 Yes exactly it seems like all his answers are based on if SK is removed from the field which is obviously not what most people are confused about. It’s about whether or not SK’s effect follows the other monster on activation. Yes obviously a card that has a continuous effect would no longer apply when said card is removed from field. From the way SK is worded Pank should be negated because it’s effects are still being negated at time of activation. Where Pank ends up on resolution should not matter.
@@MSTTV As someone who is not a judge, but if I were to be one; I would rule that Pankratops' effect to destroy Scareclaw Kashtira would be negated, therefore not destroying Scareclaw Kashtira.
Yes it is true that Scareclaw Kashtira's continuous negation effect will wear off of Pankratops (even though it is no longer on the field), but it will only wear off after cards/effects have resolved.
What would happen in sequence:
-Scareclaw Kashtira has successfully applied its effect negation to Pankratops
-Pankratops activates its effect
-Pankratops is tributed as cost
-The player controlling Pankratops will then target Scareclaw Kashtira
-On resolution phase: Pankratops' effect will resolve as a negated effect.
-After resolution phase: The effect negation that was on Pankratrops will expire and wear off.
Another takeaway of what I'm trying to explain is: During the resolution phase, current statuses on cards cannot change (unless specified) until after everything has resolved. So in this case, since the current status of Pankratops is being treated as a negated card; when it activates its effect, it needs to resolve as a negated effect.
Certain card specifications can manipulate card statuses. Skill Drain for example: Pankratops will get around Skill Drain and will resolve as a non-negated effect because Skill Drain has a "Face-Up" specification. Same with Effect Veiler, Breakthrough Skill (The first effect), Dark Ruler No More, and some others. But I'm sure some of you know this part already.
Scareclaw Kashtira does not have a "Face-Up" specification on its negation effect.
I have a question about one of the kashtira trap cards called big bang. Is it another evenly match or how does it work.
If I activate gift exchange with shangri-ira on field and chain arise heart to banish gift exchange does ira block 1 or 2 zones on resolution?
Glad this common mistake someone at my locals made me feel really stupid by being confused by one of these
Scareclaw Kashtira is a rare effect, I mean I DUg out Koaki Meiru powerhand as an example...
I have a stupid doubt. Can you, or someone else, clarify this to me please?
What happens if an opponent's Fenrir attacks but I negate the attack? And does it change if the negating effect comes from (ss2) Aqua Armor Ninja or (ss3) Negate Attack?
I have a question about the text "spells or effects" and "traps or effects" on some Kashtira cards. Does that mean any effect? like a monster effect? Or only the stated card type effect?
I was asking for my friend who just got the deck and he was sure it was any effect but I got clarification already 👍🏻
I have a question?
If you call Fallen of Albaz using Prohibition
Does that lock them out of playing any other card that even mentions fallen of albaz in its card text ? Example branded fusion
can u summon kashtira scareclaw or kashtira tearlament if u dont have a target to banish?
Question just cus it only comes up on the Kash match.
Book of eclipse vs prosperity
After your opponent has used Pot of prosperity, are you still able to use book of eclipse in the same turn?
I'm just confused on the part where pank destroyed kash-claw since claw Eff is until the end turn. It shouldn't matter where or what happens to the monster it's effs should be negated for the whole turn.
so, with pankratops, it tributes itself as a cost to activate it's effect. so it goes to the graveyard and the effect goes on the chain. the game then forgets about what that copy of pankratops has done on the field. so that copy of that card isn't considered to have battled this turn. similar to how, if you battle with your monster and then it gets sent to the graveyard, you could then bring it back with call of the haunted and it would be able to attack again that turn. or if a monster that has a soft once per turn effect leaves the field and comes back, it can activate that effect again. i'm not 100% certain i phrased all of that correctly, but this is how i assume the ruling works.
@@humblebees_ No that’s not exactly how it works. If the card activates no matter where it goes after activation doesn’t matter cuz it’s still considered the same card until it resolves. Perfect example is if I Imperm Unchained Twin Rakea it’s on field effect would be negated. However if it’s then destroyed by battle/card effect it’s trigger effect would not be negated because when it leaves the field and activates in a different place it is not treated as the same card that was on the field.
Let me clarify this: First and foremost, Scareclaw Kashtira is a continuous effect. The confusion is from the wording. This is a Continuous effect with condition(monsters battling vs Kashtira/Scareclaw) and time limit (until end of turn).
1. Continuous effect only apply while that monster is on the field.
2. Continuous effects are constantly applying to the affected cards.
3. This is NOT an effect that resolved on a card.
4. When the card affected by a continuous effect is no longer on the field, the continous effect isn't applying on that card.
5. The time limit is also only applying as long as that monster can be applied to.
@@MSTTV the question we have is, how can pank attempt to activate an effect if it’s effect is being negated?? Why would the cost matter at that point if it has no effect??
@@kekukunairvine6627 A card being negated doesn't stop you from attempting to activate it (Skill Drain even has that as reminder text). You pay the cost for the activation, but whether the effect is negated only comes up at resolution.
If scareclaw kash attacks a monster that has more attack than he does def he will be destroyed right? Also that monsters negated by scareclaw are no longer negated if the scareclaw leaves the field right?
This video reminds me of the ruling for Ariseheart and choosing a face down card to attach as material. Konami ruled that if you’re selecting a card from multiple banish face down for cost, you should indicate with card is being attached (ie Prosperity is activated and three are banished for cost - you want to specific which card for cost is being banished face down). This is due to the order face down banished cards not mattering like face up banished cards.
I do have a question about Shangra-Ira though: If you choose to lock a monster zone during chain 1 and your opponent chains to special summon a monster to that zone in chain 2 (ie Havnis is special summoned to that zone successfully), would that zone become locked once the monster leaves that zone since the effect resolved successfully?
oo good question i would also like to know
@@gode2235 I think you have to choose a different zone to lock when Chain 1 starts to resolve or no zone. I.e. you don't choose until Chain 1 starts to resolve so don't hint or tell your opponent anything.
Going with the obvious tho I would say you choose a different zone now after the chain since that one is now being used 🤙🏾 hopefully we get an answer lol
@@jefreestyles except the Shangra-ira wouldn’t lock until the effect resolves (effect cost states “You can choose 1 unused Main Monster Zone or Spell & Trap Zone;”). If it targets the middle zone and I special summon havnis, havnis is able to summon to the zone since it’s still usable. The question is what happens after Havnis leaves via fusion, getting destroyed etc.?
I would think the zone would be locked after the fact but not sure
so i just tryed this in Edo pro, and shangri-ira targets the zone on activation. so then opponent summons Scarclaw kashtira to that zone, eff resolves, the zone Is Locked, so while scarclaw is now occuping that zone and can attack and use his effs, the Zone itself is still affectet by ira those locked. so the moment scarclaw leaves the zone, the zone is still Locked.
If fafnir were to attack a monster and the opposing team were to use a card negation attack will Fafnir's effect to banish resolve??
How to determine if a negated card can resolve off field? I know that imperm and veiler negates even if the monster resolves off field but some cards only negate on field
Its due to the wording Scareclaw kash states "that" monster while impermanance negate "its effects" so if that monster no longer in the field like the example the game state forget which monster is "that monster"
*also pank still able to activate its effects because scareclaw kashtira doesn't negate activation but negate the effect so you can still activate for cost
I'm not getting a clear answer, is do my zones get cleared if I change of heart Shangri ira?
Is there a big common rulings rule book somewhere for normal players to access it? Does Konami even publish stuff like that, or is there a dedicated judge community somewhere that has something like an encyclopedia? This game is so frustrating as a new player cause I often don't know what I can or cannot do a lot of the time.
The nibiru vs full monsyer zone lock reminds me of eldlich sanqune and nibiru, the difference between rhese 2 is, nibiru can still be activated while the zone lock nib can't. Which is why nibiru on eldlich is so good, because it's a free tribute and still have nib for next turn.
3 out of 3! Finally!!! 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Idk if I agree on the pankrytops thing. Even though the monster activated the second part of its effect in the graveyard, it still would have needed to activate the first part of the effect on field to go to the graveyard, which in theory should have already been negated
Naw cause it tributes itself for cost. Cost comes before the effect. Monsters with their effects negated can still pay cost
Tom, If I activate Fenrir tot search a Kashtira monster and my opponents chains a veiled or imperm to negate. Can I chain enemy controller, tribute my own Fenrir to by pass the negate. I’m at the understanding Fenrir then activates to search while being in the GY, while my opponents tries to negate it on field.
yes, the Fenrir resolves to search, since its no longer on the field to be negated by veiler. The effect resolves still on field, bc it was activated there but on resolution the veiler has no target on field to negate anymore
You can, but Fenrir still resolves on the field. It won't be negated, but the effect is still a monster effect on the field.
Red is a Kash player with Shangri-ira that has locked all 5 zones. Blue activates Change of Heart targeting Red's Shangri-ira. What happens?
I need to watch this repeatedly. I havent play IRL since Adamancipators
Wooh!!!
If my Oppo activate theosis targetting his kashtira and i Chain enemy controller and steal the opponent kashtira, theosis Will resolve?
When choosing a new target for a replay, the attacking monster isn't isn't considered to be "declaring an attack" again, so Fenrir would not be able to use the effect multiple times like you outlined.
I think u misread the scenario. Edit (adding time code: 7:20)
Fenrir declared an attack on the first target. The first attack target gets negated by Scareclaw Kashtira.
Fenrir also activated its effect banishing a different monster,
Replay occurs. My wording choice is Fenrir "change the attack target" to a different monster.
The second monster is now conducting a battle and is negated by Scareclaw Kashtira's continuous effect. Fenrir DID NOT activate a second time to target banish nor could it, its OPT.
Further more Battles starts at Attack Declaration but ends at the end of damage step. If a monster engage in those steps they are battling. Scareclaw Kashtira applies its effect when monsters battle, not when an attack is declared.
@@MSTTV Oh yep, I totally misunderstood the scenario. Thanks for the clarification
What will happen if my opponent activates kashtiratheosis, target one monster as a cost, and then I Chain 2 Compulsory.
Will kashtiratheosis resolve or not?
I have Sky Striker Ace Raye. Opponent have Scareclaw Kashtira. Its opp's battle phase, he attacks my raye, I chain her eff, summon kaina. When Kaina is summoned, can I activate her eff to stop Scareclaw Kashtira from attacking, or reattacking is applied instantly and kaina is negated?
yes you can. Chain as Scareclaw Kashtira will no longer continuously apply to the Raye and you will be able to activate Kaina before replay as you have a summon trigger.
So if 4 of your zones are locked, you activate nib and then they chain some stuff and lock your last zone it would work, right?
Yes because nib was successfully activated
it should work because shangri-ira effect havent activated yet to lock the last Zone so by the time the condition is met for shangri-ira, nibiru already on the field. I'm not so sure but it's my understanding about it
Yes it would work, because you need to resolve as much as possible once you have successfully activated. Thats basically how droll hand loop works.
wait, you can activate Kaiju Slumber with a Kaiju on board?
Lol, I need to read those cards later, had to pause. Duel link player. Be back in a week. Very good video, text make up the duel.
Regarding the 3 monster scenario with Fenrir and Scareclaw on board; let’s say Fenrir attacks borreload savage dragon, then Fenrir chains to banish another monster. Does savage immediately get negated and lose its counters? i.e. borrel would not be able to respond to Fenrir’s effect to banish?
i dont think so because you should have an opportunity to respond, unless fenrir is a quick effect. If its not you have an opportunity to respond with quick spells and quick effects of your own, in this example savages effect.
Correct Borreload will instantly lose its counters and would be negated on attack declaration so it wouldn’t be able to respond to Fenrir banish effect.
@@poeskey he said Kash Scareclaw is on board, so Savage will be immediately negated and lose counter. He is not asking about Fenrir vs Savage, but Fenrir + Scareclaw vs Savage
@@poeskey And also, there is something inherently wrong with your answer. Something being a quick effect doesn't prevent you from responding. So the "you has opportunity to respond, unless Fenrir is a quick eff" is not correct in itself.
@@hirukashiro5995 ok
Can someone explain the nibiru question 1 because I thought psct conjuction “and if you do” a is required for b but not vice-versa. In other words you can tribute the monsters but you don’t have to special the nibiru. Any help appreciated
It's because the and if you do b is required on a, so you have to be able to facilitate both parts of the effect on activation, it's also "if you do, special summon" not "if you do, you can" if it made b optional then you'd be able to
All parts of effects are mandatory unless prompted by "you can".
Cards & optional effects cannot activate unless all mandatory parts could legally resolve in sequence at activation.
"a is required for b but not vice-versa" regards resolving effects as much as possible, not activation legality; a & b both remain mandatory parts of nibiru's effect.
What if you had one free zone at the activation of nibiru, and your opponent activates an effect that would trigger a chain for Shang and at resolution, you get your fifth monster zone locked, would nib still resolve?
Depends on the effect, but wouldn't the Shangri-Ira apply its effect on a new chain and not the same one?
So say CL1 Nib CL2 your opponent's effect. Don't think Shangri-Ira would be able to immediately resolve and lock out the last zone. Pretty sure it activates on a new chain, so after the first chain links already resolved, to which Shangri-Ira would be off the field already.
Thank you
If you have shangri ira and opp ss to the targeted zone it will still successfully summoned to that zone but as long as shangriira is on the field if the ss card is remove the zone will still be locked.
Does book of moon on shangri la open up your zones?
Yes
The scareclaw pankratops ruling is 100% incorrect unless they completely changed the effect in translation, scareclaw doesn't affect the field like skill drain does.
They didn't change anything. The wording as it stands is a confirmed as continuous effect. We treat the effect as such. The people are treating this like Veiler/ but it isn't. We have to treat it as a continuous effect and not a unclassified/lingering effect.
Feel free consult other ruling experts as I would have been on the same boat 3 months ago, because I thought the same thing, however when doing research for this particular segment.
After speaking with 3 other ruling experts, and have them explain continuous effects. This is how it is.
OCG does have a database entry for if Scareclaw Kashtira is removed from the field, the monster affected by it will no longer be negated. Thus confirming it to be a continuous effect that is continuously applying vs an applied effect of something that successfully resolved.
Further prove the point; no where on its card text does it state Scareclaw Kashtira needs to remain in control to apply the negation, then removing it off the field shouldn't matter right? But it does matter (There is a specific entry about it), the effect is treated continuous effect and applying its effect the same way.
@@MSTTV I dont think he's arguing that its a continuous effect that is constantly applying while scareclaw kashtira is on the field face up. If scareclaw kashtira is removed from the field then the continuous eff is gone and monsters that were previously negated that turn due to some battle, would no longer be negated.
The scenario here however is that pank while in battle phase after successfully destroying fenrir in battle is now negated until the end of the turn because of scareclaw kashtira. Pank can activate its eff and tribute itself for cost but during resolution the effect to destroy scareclaw kashtira would be negated because of scareclaw kashtira's continuous effect that negated it earlier. Therefore scareclaw kashtira is not destroyed.
Xyz vs talents to take, would the xyz be sent to grave cause there js no available zones or i cant activate ir
It would be send to the gy and thus freeing your zones
@@athenaproductions3569 i searched a bit and found out that have a lot of mismatching info, few people rules it be sent and other says i cant use it, really weird ruling
@@gabrielribeiro5192 Tom said in the vid it was treated more like a floodgate so under gozen/rivalry you can still take a monster but it will be sent to the gy
I'm confused about pankrotops, doesn't it activate and resolve on the field, so shouldn't since it activated on field wouldn't it resolve negated
Except that ... Scareclaw Kashtira never activated...it's continuous. The main thing is Scareclaw Kashtira is is continuously applying it's effect to a card on the field, if pank leaves... Scareclaw isn't applying anymore and the Pank in the GY isn't the same Pank on the field.
Which is why it's not like Scareclaw Kashtira resolved its effect on Pank.. it's applying while it is there.
I just came across an interesting interaction I had a question about, if my opponent has set up a shangri-ira and locked 4 of my monster zones, in my draw phase, I book of moon the shang, then branded fusion a rindbrumm, opponent attempts to activate ariseheart, I negate and return the face down shang to the extra, my zones stay locked as shang technically never left field correct? It became an unknown value face down and left, it's board state it creates says when shang leaves field, and technically it never did
So can someone clarify this for me, if Scareclaw Kashtira & Kashtira Fenrir is on my board, opponents board is Mirrorjade, when I attempt to attack with Fenrir and activate effect to banish a monster on the field(Mirrojade), does Scareclaw Kashtira prevents Mirrorjade’s boardwipe effect from happening?
If you use fenrir to banish mirrorjade face down, it shouldn't be able to activate as face down cards can't activate their effects, its like when you bounce mirrorjade back to the deck. If mirrorjade isn't banished face down and sent to the gy with kash scareclaw on the field, it's effect to board wipe will not be negated by kash scareclaw. I'm about 95% sure this is correct, but feel free to correct me if it isnt
@@longboi107 I appreciate your input!
@@MattyCWalker I could be wrong, worth double checking with someone else
so kashtira will be the next meta deck?
A scenario my friends and I were unsure of:
if player a’s kashtira scareclaw, in defense, declares battle against player b’s kashtira fenrir. Upon declaration, player b activates infinite impermanence, targeting kashtira scareclaw.
Once the attack is declared the monster effect is negated. So imperm would stop the attack from going through (cause you can’t attack in def) but player B fenrir would still be negated. Imperm at start of BP is the solution.
@@itsalright555 i don't think this is correct since sk's effect is a continuous effect it would be negated by the imperm. Say if you negate the scareclaw in mp2 your monster isnt negated either
Then The Attack would stop, AND the negation would also STOP! Kashtira Fenrir effect would become active again.. Because Scareclaws continuous effect is now negated.
No the fenrir would NOT be negated anymore. Scareclaw Kashtira is a continous effect, once it is negated, the other monsters gain their effects back.
If you removed Scareclaw Kashtira, ALL monster that were affect by Scareclaw Kashtira would revert back to normal. This is due to its Continuous effect.
This is basic and I know this already and when I play with teammates they forget that the graveyard effect goes off not on the field but in the graveyard.
Unless you have a Team lol
How does scareclaw interact with Ninja shadow mosquito in your second scenario?
IF it was Moquito doing the attacking/receiving the attack would be negated upon attack, you cannot burn, you cannot put counters, but you can by pass that by attack with other monsters to trigger the mosquito.
RULING for Minairuka please 😝
what about change of heart and all monster zones are locked?
You cannot
when scareclaw negates a monster then later that scareclaw is used for an xyz summon
does the monster negated stay negated
No, scareclaw needs to remain on field to keep it negated
So effect veiler on pankratops is useless too?
Yes.
No, it's different. Veiler resolves and lingers, Pankratops would resolve negated if tribute itself that turn. The kashtira monster needs both monsters being face-up on the field to continuously apply its negation.
No effect veiler on Pank... is useless for a different reason, because they will chain and the mosnter is missing.
if you successfully veiler a pank for whatever reason. if you activate Pankratops, the effect will be negated. because Effect Veiler has already resolved and the effect applies. Since Pankratops activates on the field and resolves on the field its still negated. (The physical card location does not matter unless stated otherwise)
@@MSTTV But Scareclaw Kashtira is different? I am a little confuse because the wording on both Effect Veiler and Scareclaw Kashtira are almost similar yet I am being told they are functioning differently. Is it because one is a continuous effect and the other is not?
The question is though is the effect of scareclaw kashtira also a continuous effect in the TCG, since it is printed differently.
It's continuous from how it read it, no semi colons or Colons to determine cost or activation.
@@MSTTV That doesnt determine whether its continous or not though, For instance this would indicate that the replacement effects of Baelynx, Branded Disciple(To negate), and Branded Opening are continuous when they clearly are not. I think the arguement to whether or not it is continuous does not matter in the pank ruling and the only word that determines it is "that". Since Pank tributes for cost, it is no longer "that" card.
If a card states the effect is negated until the end of turn then it doesn't matter where it activates and resolves. However if a card says negate the effect while that card is face-up on the field then it only matters if the eff resolves on field. If the card is to hit grave before resolution then the eff is no longer negated because the card is not face-up on the field
Right so wouldn't that mean Pank would still be negated since Scareclaw Kashtira is worded like Imperm and not skill drain?
Scareclaw Kashtira is a continuous effect... we have to differentiate that from activated/resolved effects.
@@MSTTV So how do we differentiate between a continuous effect and a lingering effect? If the wording is basically the same as Imperm than why is it treated differently? That’s the part I’m not understanding. The difference between skill drain and Imperm is easy to understand because of how they are worded. SK doesn’t say “while this card is face up or while that monster is face up on the field”. Your example of Powerhand actually has the stipulation at the end of its effect so I don’t think it’s comparable to SK.
@@CrasH_Dx Target 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; negate its effects (until the end of this turn) Imperm implies that even if the monster leaves the field it is still negated, Scareclaw kashtira applies to the monster that battles but once Prank hits grave, it's no longer recognized as that monster that had battled. That's how I look at it, and it's the best I can explain it.
@MST.TV That's true. Sadly I'm not as well versed on the various types of effects ignition, continuous, etc.
Thank you tom For saying that sometimes you mistakes Because I can't tell you how many people at tournaments try to tell me a ruling that is blatanly wrong and they say you told them it was correct. That s*** drives me wild. Then I have to have a judge come over and by now we've wasted 10 minutes and then the judge finally tells them the correct ruling and then they get upset. But please you should prefrence that with every video. I'm not saying you are doing anything wrong but people take interpretations and run with it and don't double check.
10:09 this seems more akin to Imperial Order vs Droplets. If i activate a Spell (lets say Upstart), oponent chains IO, and I chain Droplet sending Upstart from field to GY as cost, my upstart will still resolve negated since IO continuously negates Spell effects on the field, and Upstart's eff was still a Spell eff on the field.
Likewise, even if Pankra tributes itself for cost, it is still the activated effect of a monster that battled with a kashtira, so regardless where the physical copy of Pank ends up, it would seem (based on the IO interaction and similar rulings) that Scareclaw would still continuously negate that activated eff.
Alas, as you saw pank will destroy the scareclaw kashtira because scareclaw kashtira works more like dragostapelia, ie it's a continuous effect that negates the effects of monsters that battle a kashtira or scareclaw until the end of the turn, so when pank leaves the field it is no longer considered as having battled fenrir, thus scareclaw kashtira's continuous effect doesnt apply to it anymore
Unfortunately Scareclaw Kashtira isn't a lingering effect. Its a continuous effect that needs to continously apply on the monster. 2 months ago I thought it worked as you say it, BUT
Scareclaw Kashtira need to continously apply to the monster more akin to Skill Drain.
If Scareclaw Kashtira is removed from the field, all negation wear off,
if the monster that is negated Scareclaw Kashtira is removed, it cannot continuously apply its effect on that monster, which allows the effect to go through.
Unlike Koaki Meiru Powerhand, that negation stops both cards that activate on the field AND cards that apply on the field. (they have the same continuous condition).
@@MSTTV I'm sorry but how do you get to the conclusion that the effect of Scareclaw Kashtira is a continous effect and not a lingering one? I don't see how it should be. As far as I am understanding this the effect applies and stays. Just for clarification. I guess I am not the only one missunderstanding this one.
Funny thing is that the days they used to be called Kashatri, Edo pro Ocg was unplayable. Everybody played these cards and they were a headache. I Looked for counters for these cards but they were none. Now the whole world gets to experience this threat.
What about danger!
I feel like Nibiru should still resolved base on the card text: “You can tribute, and if you do, special summon this card”.
It’s clearly “tribute first” (which would unlock zones) and then “summon”. I get the reasoning behind why it wouldn’t work though.
My main issue is that Konami would even print cards that have a possibility to block all five zones and it be consistent/not a gimmick.
Thanks for the education! I just gotta follow the way the ruling is and move on.
Nibiru effect to tribute and ("and also" keyword means they happen simultaneously) summon happen at the same time VS Kaiju slumber destroys all monster "THEN" (this means A(destroy all monsters) happens first then B(summon out kaijus)) you special summon (happens in sequence).
Wait. If nibiru doesn't work. Why is the action to clear the board first? You can't actually play nibiru then clear the board.
Is it really because locked zone are still "active zones?". That's interesting.
Will kaiju slumber work
With no zones no
Also shangri-ira can protect itself from destruction
First rule about Interrupted Kaiju Slumber: never refer to Interrupted Kaiju Slumber.
Gosh
Based on ocg rulings and scareclaw ksahtiras own wording I believe this is a bad ruling on it but I have no choice to go along with it I guess
The Kaiju Slumber Ruling was always a horrible ruling that should’ve been corrected a long time ago.
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The scareclaw vs pankratoos the scare claw would have to say "on the field" otherwise the pankratops effects are all around negated until the end of the turn
I´m pretty sure the Pank ruling is wrong
I thought it was wrong until... I understood what it mean by Continuous effect. Due to the fact it is A CONTINUOUS effect, the effect of Pankratops is negated due to Scareclaw continuously applying its effect.
- Scareclaw Kashtira cannot continuously apply its effect on a monster that is no longer on the field...
- When Scareclaw Kashtira is removed from the field, the negation also wears off...
Although it's card text doesn't say it "If your "Kashtira" or "Scareclaw" monster battles an opponent's monster, that opponent's monster's effects are negated until the end of this turn."
This is the nature of continuous effect. When it is misinterpreted as a lingering effect, we get to effect "unfairingly" overpowered.
[Regarding the effect "The effects of any opponent's monster that battles your "Kashtira" or "Scareclaw" monster are negated until the end of the turn."]
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It is a Continuous Effect that applies in the Monster Zone.
This effect is applied to monsters that have battled your "Kashtira" monsters or "Scareclaw" monsters (the effect is continuously-applied). If this card's effect is no longer applied (such as if this card is no longer face-up in the Monster Zone, or if its effects are negated), the effects of the opponent's monsters are no longer negated.
OCG rulings. TLDR; it works exactly as Skill Drain but only selectively applies to monsters that battle/d Kashtira monsters.
I also thought it was like a continuous effect that spreads lingering effects on the opponent monsters (like debuffs) under the condition they battle your Kashtira, but the entire effect is just a continuous effect and nothing more
For example Dark Ruler Ha Des has the continuous effect that negates monster effects in GY destroyed by fiends, but even if removed from the field said monsters still get negated.
Question 3: I'm very confident that cards resolve where they activate, so I say Pank is negated.
Welp this is why im not a judge
Can you take control of opponent monster with all 5 zones locked
First
nibiru player deserves to lose the ruling, there’s no way they got all 5 zones locked without a chance to nib
Griffon Rider stopping nib, or cross out D. etc.
Great video, but what a toxic archetype lmao
“A monster does not battle if the attack is negated or cancelled due to a Replay.”
A battle is stopped. if the attack is negated or canceled during a replay.
"A monster is considered to be battling as soon as it declares an attack (including a direct attack), if an attack is declared targeting it, or if some effect forces two monster to conduct a battle. The battle will stop when the end of the Damage Step for that battle is over and the Battle Step is entered once again, or if the attack is negated or canceled during a replay. However, the game will not recognize that a monster has battled (in the past) unless the battle it was involved in had reached damage calculation, which may be relevant for some effects that specifically mention a monster that has battled."
The wording of Scareclaw Kashtira only cares if the monster engaged at some point in a battle.
Got all of em wrong rofl
Youlll get better at this
Kash loses to raigeki
Not if the do 5 zone lock... since both Kashtira Shangri will protect themselves. :D
@@MSTTV alot of "if"
If you main Raigeki, it can pay off.
If you side Raigeki...
Then not as good for 2 reasons...
Most people will run adventure in the deck. For a free negate also it's basically necessary for evenly.
Sided games, Solemn judgment is a staple side for this deck that lacks protection.
It's going to force people into super poly, sphere mode lava golem
Now's a good time to quit yugioh