What's It Like to Fly with NIGHT VISION GOGGLES (NVGs) in a Fighter Jet?
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Mondays with Mover - Episode 45
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Can confirm, Iraq can be dark a.f. with no discernible horizon, even with NVG. Since the visual part of orientation is primarily peripheral vision, NVGs don't help much in that regard, and can suck pilots into spacial disorientation or misinterpreting closure rates. I'd have to think flying something like an F-16 or A-10 would present unique challenges since there's so little window framing and aircraft structural bits to reference off of as compared to a helicopter. I have to appreciate the "Make Them Tell You No", as it is essentially the same mantra that finally got me into Army aviation a couple decades ago. My oldest brother (USAF E-9 at the time) told me "give them no excuse to not accept your application". Most of all, thanks Mover for the Memorial Day message, and for pointing us to Folds of Honor.
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"The F-16s intake's a big Hoover." Thank you for your service, and making my day with that one. : )
In the intro and later on at like 9:20, the vapes lit up by the lights. That's incredible. DCS needs to simulate that, looks too cool.
@15sec....OMG Mover, you're a metal head! And heavy driver, fighter jock x 2, + cop. Uh, WHAT can't you do? Sick track, bro; gr8 video. You continue to take us "there"....INTO your world. Thank you.
What do you mean by @15sec
Fantastic Video! Thank You for reminding people what this means, Memorial Day. To honor all who lost their life for us, the American citizens, to protect us from the evil out there.
Please, the Americans that never had the opportunity to meet them. Honor each of them.
Thank You Sir for this being in your video right up front. So many don't understand. The 3 day weekend is what I heard every one I worked with say. I reminded EVERYONE what this day means to all the entire time, until I retired. With that, I again appreciate all for their ultimate sacrifice. May you all be resting in peace
Semper Fidelis
Mover.. Thank you for your service. And vlogs are great. I try to use your knowledge in every day life. So again thank you...
Major Dan was on Fox News this morning with a young lady that was presented with a Folds of Honor scholarship. I am a recent donor to Folds of Honor as a result of your inspiration and I will be proudly wearing my Folds T-shirt today at the Southeastern Louisiana Veterans Cemetery Memorial Day celebration. Thank you for your service and another great video. (Bill from Slidell).
Slick Herks fly whole missions with NVGs. Taxi, takeoff, low-level, and landings, including assualts. Not only special ops.
This video was well presented.Your description of flying in pitch black conditions with spatial dissociation,was so well done it took me to that place of feeling disoriented in the moment.Thank you for a really great video and thank you for your sacrifice and duty to our country.
From this USAF vet....Thanks for your service and enjoy your vlogs.
Awesome as always. As a grunt, we only had the mono-scope that affected depth perception - if not trained with it. Also, for whatever reason, I thought Brick by Brick was the last in the Spectre series. Huh. Picked up books 6, 7, and 8! Oh and thanks for the "make them say no" I just used it on my son as he is starting to contemplate choosing a school.
Team Green-14 lmao
Focused to infinity and beyond!
Mover--Very well done in a short and sweet format
One vid at a time making my childhood dream more real... Thanks Mover and stay safe.
So many interesting pieces of information here. It was cool in the vid' seeing the wing vapor vortices illuminated by the collision lights, which should not have been my main takeaway from this, but there you have it. But, it also made me have a whole new respect for the famous WWII Dam Busters from RAF 617 squadron, flying at ludicrously low levels at night, and none of the INS/GPS information available - it was called a navigator. A now deceased former navigator, and family friend, told my dad they used to work out height from wave tops, and would often arrive back in England with salt spray on the aircraft. I just read another typically British mission, ridiculously dangerous and potentially suicidal, in which Wng Commander Ken Gatwood flew a wave top height mission into Paris, in a Bristol Beaufighter to shoot up a major parade the Germans were planning post invasion. The parade never happened, but Gatwood dropped a huge Tricolor on the Arc de Triomphe, and then strafed the Gestapo head quarters with 20mm on his way out, much to the delight of Parisians. You pilots, past and present, do some ballsy stuff...landing on aircraft carriers in the middle of the night, in varied weather, and the deck is moving, for example.... Cheers.
Used to work on night vision for years for the Navy and Army, in the early years I remember pilots used AN-PVS 5C then later ANVIS 9 GEN 3. NODs have come a long way since the early days of use, used to be a time when a soldier had a AN-PVS 4 mounted on his M16, that was one big piece of equipment and added another 4 lbs to the rifle.
I was in the Air Force as a KC 135 maintainer and I wanted to be a pilot so bad. Unfortunately things happened and I couldn't do it but its cool to see that you are one!
Hey Mover! Thank you for your service, and for the service of your peers. I love seeing your videos, and they make my Mondays just a little bit better than they used to be! By the way, C.W. Lemoine is a badass author’s name lol. Awesome photos from the Hornet and Falcon!
Subbed to your channel today.
Picked up Fini flight...holy cow; once again; it has sucked me in. I didn't even realize but I am almost done with it. Keep up the great work man. Love the videos and the books. I may just pick up the Alex Shepard ones too.
Wow, I didn't even know this was a thing. Nice vid
Hey Mover. Thanks for all the awesome videos you put out. Any chance you can comment on the recent UFO sightings by Navy pilots? There have been several targeting pod videos released of these, with audio, and the pilots seem truly confused as to what these objects are. They move at accelerations and speeds that no known aircraft are capable of. I would love to hear your opinion, thanks.
Really starting to dig the channel. Please do an entire video about the F-16. Thanks!
God Bless American Military/Veterans!!! We are nothing without service!!!
Another super informative content. Loved it, thanks man
I work at a company that modifies aircraft for night vision. Both interior and exterior.
Good to see your video.
Incredible! Another awesome video Mover!
Great video! Really enjoyed hearing how and when they are used. Thank you!
Thanks for doing that video I really enjoyed it
What a fantastic explanation! Thanks a lot!
Thank you for ur service
Great video, learned lots of info. Had no idea about your visibility.
Hello,
My name is Brandon and your videos have been by far the most helpful resource in aiding my understanding of the fighter pilot career process.
In several videos you speak to the reserve and ANG route. A video going into this deeper would be EXTREMELY helpful.
- what you should do to prepare and make yourself competitive in applying (grades, experience, PPL)
- best way to find UPT openings or rush days (websites, who to call first, etc)
- logistics of rushing a unit. Let’s say you live in Oregon and want to apply to as many units as possible. Do you have to take trips across the country to each unit for each rush?
- ANG vs AF reserve. Any differences in process, requirements etc.
Also another question. I dream of flying the f35. However all the units I’ve looked into seem to mostly be f15 and f16. Are more units going to be getting f35s in the near future?
Thanks again and I really hope you have time to make a video on this. I really appreciate it.
Best Regards,
Brandon
To add to this, I'm not chasing f35, I'd be more than happy to serve our country through any platform.
About to head to the courthouse for our Memorial Day service! Enjoyed the vid Mover!!!!
Really interesting! Was always wondering when they are on and off during takeoff etc so again, will change the way I do it in DCS
Hey Mover. Great video! I know that you don't have all of the answers to questions like this, but do you know if it is possible to become a fighter pilot if you are color deficient? I enjoyed the info you gave here. Thank you for your service!
TheWhismurProductions check this out
iovs.arvojournals.org/data/Journals/IOVS/932965/z7g9991111660001.jpeg
This is the new color vision test for the AF. I’ve been very aware of the new color vision standards. (I’m currently enlisted, graduate in December and I plan to pursue a pilot slot now that I can pass the color vision test.)
Hey! thats Gonky's intro ;)
those vapor clouds looked cool as shit
do you have any footage of what it appears like behind the lens of NV?
JustLetMeDrive see my post above.
@@Cleared_To_Land lol ty
@@Cleared_To_Land awesome, thanks
Morning CW!
*Very good at least I like it*
I just got the White NVG's , they are amazing.
I've heard that the helmet on the F-35 displays imagery from onboard network of video cameras, allowing the pilot to see everything around the aircraft. If this is so, imagine how bad ass it would be for the pilot to see the HUD information through their nightvision optics.
With the HMIT (Scorpion helmet) in the Block 30 F-16 and A-10C, you can wear the monocle with NVGs and get that information.
Mover. I wonder why airline pilots dont get any NVGs and helicopter civilian pilots sometimes get them. I know they are not necessary but it would be a very nice to have if they cost like 20K each its a penny when talking about aircraft.
Kool music
Badass intro
Missing "e" in Electromagnetic on the chart at 3:36.
Nice one Mover! Can you tell us how do you deal or protect yourself from the G-force when you land on the aircraft carrier? The aircraft is visibly shaky i'm curious about the pilot's necks.
I've never landed on the boat, but I have done Field Carrier Landing Practice (FCLP). You're watching the ball all the way to touchdown, so it's supposed to surprise you. I don't think there's really anything you can do for it.
in your opinion what is the best approach to become a fighter is there a particular branch you would reccommend/method. Thanks Gage
How often would you get deployed over seas while in the Air force guard unit?
I wish if i still could manage to 've those views on top of the clouds :/ always wanted to be a fighter pilot, ended up being an Engineer ! :/
GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY!
Great episode! Why do almost all military jets have monochromatic displays?
NSDQ! WE own the night!
Are you going to have a opportunity to try the f35 helmet and it's night vision. If so would love to see a reaction in the form of a comparison between night vision until now and the feel with that one.
its secret probably
its classified probably.
It’s definitely classified. Even if he did get a look he wouldn’t talk about it. I’ve asked an F-35 pilot about it and got the standard line and a smile.
11:30 Why not use a counter balance? Wouldn't help with g's obviously, but comfort would be much better!
Modern helmets like the Striker II (BAe) have integrated night-vision in the helmet-mounted display so there is no need for NVG anymore.
What's it like? Hard as hell is what it is like. PS doesn't the f35 already have nod/thermal capability?
That’s cool
I am surprised pilots don't have some sort of GPNVG. Seems the extra fov would be useful up there.
Helos do. Fighters don’t currently. That would add even more weight.
So what do you think of the Striker II (BAe) or F-35 Gen III helmet with helmet-mounted display and integrated night vision, removing the need for NVGs.
Thanks for your service Mover! do the goggles cause loss of depth perception?
Hey CW, do you know anything about the RCAF in Canada? Im a 25 year old MSc student no longer interested in pursuing research/academia & doing my best to learn about Aviation. I know the equipment is "out dated" funding is low but they are hurting for pilots/instructors. Any honest reply would heartedly be appreciated. Love the channel I subscribed! Cheers from Cold, Canada
so, I have question about NVG, since they are in IR spectrum, will they highlight engine exhaust? How about afterburner?
second question, will you fly F-16 in DCS later?
They amplify light. They aren't like thermals. You'd see an afterburner brightly but exhaust you would not.
Nvg operates in the "near infrared spectrum" near infra red is still light just slightly above or below your normal eye sight spectrum then converts it to visible light your eye can see. Thermal is actual infra red spectrum.
Are you willing to try out the DCS F-16 once it comes out?
Sure does beat the OLD NVG I used to use in the Corps back in the 80's you couldn't even walk with them on the depth perception wasn't there just yet.
Copy that ! 1st CEB A co 84-88
I´ve always wondered if NVG´s are cumbersome to wear, so thank you for answering that question :) also I hadn´t even thought about the effects of pulling G´s with them on! Do you ever slam them into the canopy by accident? Like if you quickly look over your shoulder? Thank you for an informative video :)
Typically NVG's will make your head front heavy, so prolonged wear with them will hurt your neck (Unless you have a counterweight on the helmet). Yes, pilots have slammed their NVG's into the canopy. Sometimes it can damage them, but they will mostly be fine. Hope this helps.
Could you go over the the breathing apparatus system. Thanks and did you guys have the Cyclops NVG those saved my neck and great when doing patrol in villages over there in the sandbox
We used ANVIS-9 attached to the helmet as seen in the video. Having the mask on helps, but you definitely know the weight is there.
What are the type of lights you are using on your helmet?
I don't envy the pilots that had to fly with Gen 1s in Afghanistan. All I can imagine is the blurry fisheye image throwing you off in those mountains.
I don’t think anyone flew with Gen 1s in Afghanistan - at least not in the Air Force.
The other Afghan war, the ruskiis did.
Ohhh. Yeah that would suck.
Any chance you could refer me to an air national guard recruiter? I can’t seem to find one in my area, even after visiting a local recruiting office. Thanks for the motivation constantly!
MrSuperdood18 what state?
Have you heard any input from any active duty friends who have got to use the GPNVG-18s? Always heard the 4 tube gives excellent FOV
I don’t know of any fighters currently flying with PNVGs. Active duty vs Guard/Reserve is irrelevant.
GPNVG-18's are for ground use only, you're probably referring to the AN/AVS-10 (PNVG).
So how much do such NVGs cost? Is it like 25k or less/more?
Have you ever seen something like an UFO during your sorty ?
Shhh he can't say anything ;) lol
Is DCS nvgs anything close to the real deal?
I dunno. Didn’t try them.
In the into, what is on the two outer pylons?
Don't modern Helmet Mounted Displays have night vision displays integrated in them?
Yes and no. The HMIT Scorpion for the F-16 Block 30 and A-10C are NVG compatible (you can wear the monocle with NVGs). When I left the Hornet, JHMCS was not. Not sure about the F-35 helmet.
@@CWLemoine AFAIK the F-35 Gen III Helmet (by Rockwell Collins and Elbit Systems of America) does have integrated night-vision for the HMD. Same as the Striker II (by BAe) helmet for EF Typhoon.
@c.w.lemoine if you had the chance, would you fly the F-35A? *slightly off topic, sorry*
Sure. I’d fly just about anything once if given the chance.
The "night vision" would be more comfortable ha
Does newer generation helmets have built in NV on the visor?
Not on 4th gen fighters and the F-22. F-35 only.
What is the intro song?
Why do they call them NODS in movies or games? Or do they call it that in real life?
Earlier types were referred to as "Night Optical Devices".
@@Muskoheim thanks!
6:20 Did they not show you guys how to use the pin hole caps to focus near?
You wouldn't be able to see the HUD if you did that.
@@CWLemoine yeah but I'm talking just flip them down to read gauges then flip back up to go back to HUD?
Waste of time and not very practical when you're flying (especially in a fighter designed with HOTAS in mind). It's much easier just to look under the goggles to see stuff inside and then transition back outside. Also, the caps on these are not flip up or flip down, they are removed and placed in the case during use.
@@CWLemoine yeah that's the old tech, we use these now:
tnvc.com/shop/phokus-hoplite-nvg-focusing-cover/
You can instantly flip them up and down and select the correct aperture for the focal length needed. Does your instrument lighting not interfere and bloom your NVGs? Seems that at least with older non-autogated this would be a big issue? I have read where this was a problem in Blackhawks? Maybe the difference is in visible light discipline. A fighter at altitude vs a helo near ground level?
You're comparing ground (where you'd need it to see up close) to aviation. As I explained in the video, some lighting is NVG compatible (F-16 and newer jets like the F/A-18C/D/E/F) and some isn't. There's just no reason to need to have the goggles focused inside the cockpit. I'm sure some older Blackhawks had issues with non-NVG compatible lighting, but I'm guessing most have been upgraded.
Will those t-shirts be sold in south africa...i want one
I'm pretty sure they'll ship worldwide.
@@CWLemoine good to hear👍🏻😉
The longest intro ever lol
Hey C.W. Lemoine, I‘m somehow a history buff and I really enjoy your videos and the interesting aspects and insights in a military way of flying. But there‘s also a dark side to it too, which bothers me somehow. I get it, a lot of your commentators are big patriots and you yourself probably too. We all know that the US (and the NATO too) is responsible for a lot of violations of international law and violations of the UN charter (Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Egypt 1956, Kuba 1961, Vietnam 1964, Nicaragua 1981, Serbia 1999, Afghanistan since 2001, Iraq since 2003, Libya since 2011, Syria since 2011, Jemen since 2015). In 2016 the US the military spending was about 611 billion dollars (China with 215 billions second, Russia with 69 billions third) and it has increased to 649 billion dollars in 2018. Thanks to Assange and Manning (and others) we know now how destructive the US military is and how little civilian life counts for the big military industrial complex. There are a lot of dictators around the globe, but coincidentally the west only cares for the ones in oil rich countries (or with mineral resources). Does this not bother you at all? Did you ever question that? Or do you still believe in a world view of good and evil? Is the destruction of all these countries really an act of freedom and a service for national security? Pilots are smart people and I would love to hear your side of the story. Have a nice day!
Wearing NVG's are the worst, so much neck pain now..
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0:17 CAN YOU GO COVERT OUTSIDE THE AIRSPACE I CAN SEE YOUR LIGHTS
Can I be a fighter pilot if I have ADHD?
It depends on a lot of factors like whether you're on or off meds, diagnosis, and cognitive ability.
C.W. Lemoine so not a definite no?
@@mathewbrigman5592 Make them tell you no...
Mike Zurynski ADHD is a possibly disqualifying factor of the military.
@@mathewbrigman5592 Lol yes, the saying is from Mover's T-shirts...the logo.. was not trying to be dreadfully serious. Mover's motto...trying to inspire to do your best and trying reach your goals until you have exhausted every option. He was told he could not be a or couldnt/shouldnt be a fighter pilot.