@@OwenSmith5 Most if not all of the lionfish are still alive during this despite being speared, the point is sorta to get the predator to get over the intimidating look of the lionfish
It’s interesting. The grouper is watching the divers spear the lion fish but still sticks around. 😂 One grouper even jumps a little when the diver spears a lion fish but it still doesn’t deter it. He’s like, “ I trust my new friend, “ he’s getting me lunch.”
2:23 The grouper looked like it was learning. It intentionally swam around to to strike from the front so not going against the spikes angled backwards.
@@Peisari venom but possibly not since it needs to be injected via the spines and if the spines never have the chance to inject, well, there's far less danger involved.
Most diver's trying to "Bio-train" local wildlife have been given information of how get certain native species to (safely!) Predate on Lionfish. The issue with the lionfish are their spines. Once a shark or grouper or whatever is taught, "Eat this invasive SOB from the front!" They remember it. It's still learning hunting patterns.
Watching divers and groupers behaving like hunters and hunting dogs is amazing. Also, this proves we have little to no understanding of the minds of fish, and definitely the minds all animals that have larger and more complex brains. A grouper that works along side of a driver to eat lionfish and then behaves like a puppy when the diver pets him shows that only the surface is revealed in human animal relationships. As for myself I would never dive or take dorsal fin ride with a 15 foot great white, yet those that control their fear have unbelievable footage of divers interacting with great whites.
Has anyone noticed the effects on the grouper after eating the Lionfish. Does the poison of the Lionfish have any after effects on the Grouper or is it getting stung by the barbs while trying to eat the Lionfish? Has it killed any of the Grouper?
Exactly what I was thinking! Are the groupers inmune to the venom? I also saw people teaching sharks to eat lionfish. I'd love to see them gone but don't want to hurt sharks/groupers in the process of doing so!
@@ksanchez8095 it only affects the fish if the barbs actually stick into them I guess, and they're teaching the fish a way to eat the lion fish that prevents this. The grouper keeps coming back for more, so it doesn't seem to be affected...could always be wrong though
They do learn from watching each other, almost as a 'culture'. Teach a couple in an area and the others will watch, learn and copy from the originals. Very smart fish, to the level of foxes and cats, not quite dogs.
It turns out that trying to teach these predators to eat lionfish was a bad idea. They get aggressive with divers now expecting food. Sharks and barracuda have injured divers by smashing into them at speed.
@@Azubjourni We needed to try something. Lionfish were introduced via aquarium owners or a major flood that happened that washed some into the nearby sea. Probably a mixture of the two. Now Lionfish are smashing all fish of equal size or smaller. They have massive appetites and can strip their habitat of small fry in days. They need extermination from the Atlantic. There's decent money for divers selling Lionfish but they breed so rapidly barely a dent in their number has been made.
@@19822andy Thats in most cases not the way, we have here in Germany Crabs from china in the rivers, we think they came with bulk water, wich is released in rivers when they pick up the cargo. These crabs are rotten out any other crabs. And it is a devil if you try to catch Pikes or Eals with with bait on the ground. Even when your bait is floating with groundlead these animals know how to get it down on the line to have a nice meal.
Do you think that particular grouper will be looking at the lion fish differently when it sees one? How long do you think it’s going to take for its instinct to change
With time other groupers will get the same idea associate lionfish a food and begin to hunt them and controlling the population. We just need more groupers to learn this along with any other predator that can eat lionfish to do so as well.
Lindsay Thomas they are doing this in florida....not just grouper,they identified all the natural predators and are teaching barracuda,trigger fish,sharks,eels and using new techniques like feeding stations
Juan Vazquez grouper,ling and other fish eat all kinds of spiny fish. it's their job.You dont always hide the hook.Rarely does exposed hook matter any species of fish and in most cases if the hook isnt exposed enough you get fewer good hook sets
Juan Vazquez I catch ling cod and other big predator fish on pipe jigs all the time.no bait,just a 8 inch piece of heavy steel pipe with a pin holding a giant treble hook welded to bottom side.All fish are different,most dont care about exposed hooks
Not sure why anyone haven't said anything yet, but lion fish are *venomous* not *poisonous* and that is a big difference between that means you can eat it since it won't affect your organs like poison will.
@Bob Leton So long as you eat them and don' t get stung, you'll live. That's why you have to teach these creatures that they can be eaten, and are not poisonous. Just don't get stung by them when they are alive then it might prove fatal. Apparently in Florida lion fish are popping as tasty meals.
have watched divers trying to train sharks, barracudas, groupers feeding on lionfishes, but...it's my question, don't these fishes get poisoned? Or are immune to the stings and the toxicity of the poison that lionfishes carry? Anyone having a clue?
I am unsure as to the necessity of teaching a grouper to attack a lionfish. I’ve seen them do it without the assistance of a human. Perhaps what was necessary was to coax it out into the open. But I wonder how a grouper is immune to the stinging barbs.
@@thomasneal9291 Oh! If "I" eat it?? "Far less"??? what a relief!! In that case, "I'll" try it!! Care to offer odds??? What if I burp while swallowing? What happens when the spines raise up once inside the stomach? Still immune somehow or not ???
Grouper: Hello Bubbles what cha got there?😋 Bubbles: 💬💬💬 Grouper: what?!? 🤔 hmm how do I eat this... Bubbles: 💥🐡🪓 Grouper: Okay now your speaking my language. 🤤
Im never eating Grouper again. I dont eat it very often. But after watching some videos like this gem ☝️, im swearing it off. Very intelligent creatures
Was the grouper chosen for a specific reason besides the fact that its large? is it resistant to the spines? I'd think eating a lionfish would cause problems for the grouper
Lionfish are venomous not poisonous, as long as the venom stays in their stomach it'll be fine. Plus they can only sting the fish from behind, the divers in the vid r teaching them to eat lionfish face-first
The grouper are the humans are working together. It’s crazy how these groupers no that we are no harm to them an they are confortable around humans even when we are that close.
The venom is released when the skin over the spine is pushed down the spine when it is impaling something. By teaching the grouper to swallow head first, the spines are forced to fold down and can’t swing out to where they could stab the grouper. The venom is then safely destroyed by the stomach acid. The lion fish doesn’t have any natural predators in the areas it’s now invading so teaching the grouper how to hunt them will help control the lion fish by turning them into the lion fish predators.
Grouper will eat anything that moves. No need to teach them. If a grouper comes on a structure void of nothing but lion fish they will feed believe me.
The lion fish has venom, not poison. The stomach acid is able to destroy the venom. Grouper eat other spiny animals so they just need to be shown how to hunt lion fish. The grouper would figure it out over time, but teaching this way speeds it up and hopefully can control the lion fish population before the lion fish can wipe out all the other fish in the area.
I get why but what I don't understand is these lion fishes are new to the area, then how aren't the local fish dying after eating them for the first time considering, their spikes and what it contains?
Iskinder Sam venom is harmless when ingested. It's only lethal if injected thru the spines of lionfish. Poison on the other hand is only useful if ingested.
Man that's great! The groupers having a new fish to hunt, maybe it will help the population of groupers recover and put some big, fat super sized adults back at the top to make the species healthy again.
This guy is legit, he taught me how to eat lionfish too.
I'm up to two a day now......
Lol
Lol
Let us see how it's done.
LOL!
Diver : here have some lion fish
Grouper: Can you kill it and chop it up in little squares please ?
They're just gonna teach them to die ngl. The fish are eating them dead, when they target living lion fish they'll be fucked lol
@@OwenSmith5 Most if not all of the lionfish are still alive during this despite being speared, the point is sorta to get the predator to get over the intimidating look of the lionfish
lol... teeny pieces pls
Dude 😂😭🤣✌️
Lionfish have poinson in their spine. Are you sure that eating lionfish woun't harm the grouper?
Groupers: Mission accomplished. I taught hoomans how to feed me using a fork.
I find it fascinating that the grouper sticks next to you with trust, like he found you and your diving partners as new friends... Excellent
It’s interesting. The grouper is watching the divers spear the lion fish but still sticks around. 😂 One grouper even jumps a little when the diver spears a lion fish but it still doesn’t deter it. He’s like, “ I trust my new friend, “ he’s getting me lunch.”
Groupers are known to team up with eels and octopus, so they're pretty experienced on this sort of thing :P
@@iTrapa really? Amazing, I never knew that. Thanks
Yeah, they usually nod their head rapidly to ask for teammates.
If the eel or the octopus feels like it, they join the party and start the hunt :p
@@iTrapa - That is truly amazing to not only know but to see it. - Priceless
2:23 The grouper looked like it was learning. It intentionally swam around to to strike from the front so not going against the spikes angled backwards.
does the poison harm them?
@@Peisari venom but possibly not since it needs to be injected via the spines and if the spines never have the chance to inject, well, there's far less danger involved.
Most diver's trying to "Bio-train" local wildlife have been given information of how get certain native species to (safely!) Predate on Lionfish.
The issue with the lionfish are their spines. Once a shark or grouper or whatever is taught, "Eat this invasive SOB from the front!" They remember it. It's still learning hunting patterns.
Wow so some living things from Guatemala aren't always 100% dumb as shit? Lol
I love that the grouper just hang about, all friendly and curious.
Watching divers and groupers behaving like hunters and hunting dogs is amazing. Also, this proves we have little to no understanding of the minds of fish, and definitely the minds all animals that have larger and more complex brains. A grouper that works along side of a driver to eat lionfish and then behaves like a puppy when the diver pets him shows that only the surface is revealed in human animal relationships. As for myself I would never dive or take dorsal fin ride with a 15 foot great white, yet those that control their fear have unbelievable footage of divers interacting with great whites.
now I want to write about merfolk with 'packs' of trained hunting groupers. Delightful!
Has anyone noticed the effects on the grouper after eating the Lionfish. Does the poison of the Lionfish have any after effects on the Grouper or is it getting stung by the barbs while trying to eat the Lionfish? Has it killed any of the Grouper?
Exactly what I was thinking! Are the groupers inmune to the venom? I also saw people teaching sharks to eat lionfish. I'd love to see them gone but don't want to hurt sharks/groupers in the process of doing so!
@@ksanchez8095 it only affects the fish if the barbs actually stick into them I guess, and they're teaching the fish a way to eat the lion fish that prevents this. The grouper keeps coming back for more, so it doesn't seem to be affected...could always be wrong though
they are venomous and not poisonous
venom is given by injection. i'm thinking maybe its not able to use its spines when it is eaten face-first
@@omfgitspyrogirl Correct! That's why they have to be trained to eat them face-first. They'll be perfectly safe, don't worry.
You didnt include name of fish in credits at end?
Freddie
And Carl Fins.
Grouper: "Well, I could eat, if you're buying."
I love how he asks the grouper if he/she's okay at the end.. like, 'was your meal prepared to your liking?'
Very cool conservation effort. I like how the grouper went around at the end to bite the lion fish at a safe angle.
Had lionfish in Mexico a few years ago. One of the tastiest fish ever. Would gladly eat more. Good for these divers and the grouper!
Excellent! I hope those groupers write up some lionfish reviews on their blogs and spread the word!
They do learn from watching each other, almost as a 'culture'. Teach a couple in an area and the others will watch, learn and copy from the originals. Very smart fish, to the level of foxes and cats, not quite dogs.
Just like having a pet dog following you around! Very cool!
did u track this groupers if they r still alive its very important subject dude and what you make is beautiful thanks a lot
The last grouper; "i couldnt possibly eat another. Oh another one? delightful. Ill take this one to go"
Think your teaching potential lionfish predators to look for divers!
It turns out that trying to teach these predators to eat lionfish was a bad idea. They get aggressive with divers now expecting food. Sharks and barracuda have injured divers by smashing into them at speed.
From grouper to groupies.
@@19822andy thats what they get for interfering with nature
@@Azubjourni We needed to try something. Lionfish were introduced via aquarium owners or a major flood that happened that washed some into the nearby sea. Probably a mixture of the two. Now Lionfish are smashing all fish of equal size or smaller. They have massive appetites and can strip their habitat of small fry in days. They need extermination from the Atlantic.
There's decent money for divers selling Lionfish but they breed so rapidly barely a dent in their number has been made.
@@19822andy Thats in most cases not the way, we have here in Germany Crabs from china in the rivers, we think they came with bulk water, wich is released in rivers when they pick up the cargo.
These crabs are rotten out any other crabs. And it is a devil if you try to catch Pikes or Eals with with bait on the ground.
Even when your bait is floating with groundlead these animals know how to get it down on the line to have a nice meal.
Nice!! I had a huge snapper vacune one up yesterday in Roatan . Awesome as they show us where the lion fish are hanging out! 💪🏾
I like how the grouper waits for the diver to cut his food for him
Do you think that particular grouper will be looking at the lion fish differently when it sees one? How long do you think it’s going to take for its instinct to change
With time other groupers will get the same idea associate lionfish a food and begin to hunt them and controlling the population. We just need more groupers to learn this along with any other predator that can eat lionfish to do so as well.
@@royalanempire2965 they aren't getting taught to hunt them. They are being fed dead to half dead fish.
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I watched a video of a guy feeding a barracuda with lionfish and now I'm on a marathon of lionfish-feeding videos
I hope it works. We need to start doing this in Florida. I'm amazed the toxins don't bother the grouper.
Lindsay Thomas they are doing this in florida....not just grouper,they identified all the natural predators and are teaching barracuda,trigger fish,sharks,eels and using new techniques like feeding stations
Steven most fish do.... that is you always want to hide the hook when gone fishing
Juan Vazquez grouper,ling and other fish eat all kinds of spiny fish. it's their job.You dont always hide the hook.Rarely does exposed hook matter any species of fish and in most cases if the hook isnt exposed enough you get fewer good hook sets
Juan Vazquez I catch ling cod and other big predator fish on pipe jigs all the time.no bait,just a 8 inch piece of heavy steel pipe with a pin holding a giant treble hook welded to bottom side.All fish are different,most dont care about exposed hooks
Steven how do they know if they never seen one before.
Lion fish fillets are really good. Nice video
Alternative title: divers feed their underwater doggo
This is a beautiful way to solve over population. This is how it should be done with all species. Great work guys.
Doesn't the grouper get poisoned by the lionfish spines?
Not sure why anyone haven't said anything yet, but lion fish are *venomous* not *poisonous* and that is a big difference between that means you can eat it since it won't affect your organs like poison will.
@Bob Leton So long as you eat them and don' t get stung, you'll live. That's why you have to teach these creatures that they can be eaten, and are not poisonous. Just don't get stung by them when they are alive then it might prove fatal. Apparently in Florida lion fish are popping as tasty meals.
@Bob Leton Then I really don't understand what you're trying to say. Are we in agreement? In difference?
@Bob Leton ANSWER
Well, groupers have been observed cooperating with other creatures when hunting...so humans got the idea to maybe work together to take out lionfish.
have watched divers trying to train sharks, barracudas, groupers feeding on lionfishes, but...it's my question, don't these fishes get poisoned? Or are immune to the stings and the toxicity of the poison that lionfishes carry? Anyone having a clue?
They are inmune to it.
This is because the lionfish is much more venomous than poisonous
The venom of lionfish is injected through their backwards-facing spines. As long as the fish eat the lionfish head-first, they cannot be injected.
I am unsure as to the necessity of teaching a grouper to attack a lionfish. I’ve seen them do it without the assistance of a human. Perhaps what was necessary was to coax it out into the open. But I wonder how a grouper is immune to the stinging barbs.
they aren't. if you eat the lionfish head-first, it folds the spines down so they are far less dangerous. otherwise... very spicy meal indeed.
@@thomasneal9291 Oh! If "I" eat it??
"Far less"??? what a relief!!
In that case, "I'll" try it!! Care to offer odds??? What if I burp while swallowing? What happens when the spines raise up once inside the stomach? Still immune somehow or not ???
Grouper: Hello Bubbles what cha got there?😋
Bubbles: 💬💬💬
Grouper: what?!? 🤔 hmm how do I eat this...
Bubbles: 💥🐡🪓
Grouper: Okay now your speaking my language. 🤤
Im never eating Grouper again. I dont eat it very often. But after watching some videos like this gem ☝️, im swearing it off. Very intelligent creatures
How big are those groupers? They look about a foot and a half but it's underwater.
Are they resistant the the venom of the Lionfish?
Would be Interesting to know.
Yes! If they don't get stung, the dead fish is not dangerous to them.
Was the grouper chosen for a specific reason besides the fact that its large? is it resistant to the spines? I'd think eating a lionfish would cause problems for the grouper
Lionfish are venomous not poisonous, as long as the venom stays in their stomach it'll be fine. Plus they can only sting the fish from behind, the divers in the vid r teaching them to eat lionfish face-first
Fascinating. The second one was a bit of a slow learner but got there in the end.
How are you going to teach the fish to hold a knife and kill it?
I feel like groupers are the man’s best friend of the ocean sometimes.
Awh I love the little 👌🏻 hand sign at 2:41
Perfect. Well done and go on!👍🏼
Thanks for your dedication.
After 6 years they still hold that title. (a pest)
Humans : why wont you take bite !?!?
Fish : because that's how you've been catching fish for centuries
The grouper are the humans are working together. It’s crazy how these groupers no that we are no harm to them an they are confortable around humans even when we are that close.
Hunter and hunter together, working side by side yay lol 😂
This is fascinating! That grouper obviously knows where it's next meal is coming from...
I wonder if we do this in Australia?
Are we sure that the lionfish' poison spine doesn't harm the groupers if they eat too many? Just wondering.
How successful was this project? Did the groupers start eating Lion fish on their own?
How do they not get stung?
so the spines arent dangerous for them?
1:39 related to that fish on a whole new level. Like when i was a kid “waiting on my steak to be cut up by dad”
Isn't the lionfish poisonous when they sting you with their fins? So why aren't the grouper being stung or choke or poisoned by them?
The venom is released when the skin over the spine is pushed down the spine when it is impaling something. By teaching the grouper to swallow head first, the spines are forced to fold down and can’t swing out to where they could stab the grouper. The venom is then safely destroyed by the stomach acid.
The lion fish doesn’t have any natural predators in the areas it’s now invading so teaching the grouper how to hunt them will help control the lion fish by turning them into the lion fish predators.
What about the venomous radial fins ? Would't kill the gouper or harm it ?
This is fantastic, but what will happen to the groupers, when the lionfish become scarce?
Grouper will eat anything that moves. No need to teach them. If a grouper comes on a structure void of nothing but lion fish they will feed believe me.
That's one way to attract sharks, keep it up man.
so the groupers are immune to the lion fish's poison spines?
The lion fish has venom, not poison. The stomach acid is able to destroy the venom. Grouper eat other spiny animals so they just need to be shown how to hunt lion fish. The grouper would figure it out over time, but teaching this way speeds it up and hopefully can control the lion fish population before the lion fish can wipe out all the other fish in the area.
@@docgiggles130 ohh thanks for the information ^w^
Isn't the Grouper gonna get stung and poisoned when eating it? Live or dead, the Lion Fish still have spikes.
How, dont the spikes have harsh venom? Do these fish just have really resiliant digestive tracts?
Awesome concept! So, do you call it...fish school???
Are they not lethal for them to eat???
The grouper is very intelligent, he know exactly what he want, that's nice & funny
Aren't lionfish poisonous?
I'm just trying to figure out what is taking him so long to eat the grouper. What you have to teach how to use a knife and fork too?
How many groupers died during this experiment?
Not much i think. Grouper's stomach can break down venom.
Good job guys 👍.
Aww, the divers are having a picnic with the fish.
How do the predators not get poisoned by the spines?
Venom can be broke down in the stomach
@@sthui2866 It was a surprise to me that groupers ate the Lion fish! Amazing!
Grouper: Ima certifed Lionfish killer now.
Next video is: Diver training grouper to fetch his flippers
What's the stop them from getting envenomated
How do you know the grouper doesn’t swim off and die out of sight?
watching replay, new frined here
1:33 is that knife H1 steel or some variety
2:42 was he just signing to the fish?
yup.
So what about the poison barbs???
Wow! This is so cool!
Can the groupers hunt and eat the lionfish by themselves without the diver's help?
And on today's episode of 'Having Fun With Grouper'....
Looks like that second Grouper has had a few previous run-ins with Lionfish. He was very suspicious.
Groupers are so cute like big wet puppies
This is fantastic!
So you take away the lion fishes natural defenses by killing it. You guys are geniuses.
We caught them off of Keystone Point rocks in North Miami about 1962.
*Later that day*
Grouper: "I don't feel so good.." 🤢
Lol
How do you know the group didn't die
I get why but what I don't understand is these lion fishes are new to the area, then how aren't the local fish dying after eating them for the first time considering, their spikes and what it contains?
Iskinder Sam venom is harmless when ingested. It's only lethal if injected thru the spines of lionfish. Poison on the other hand is only useful if ingested.
Good questiom. What about lion fish injecting venom when is been devaured ?
I'm not sure which participant in that hunt (fish or fisherman) was learning how to do what
Hi friend, great video, like
Why doesn't it harm the grouper?
who knows of grpuper survived? is it sure it s a safe meal for them? l would be curious to know scientist opienions/ surveys about it....
i really wonder the same...
i also would like to know if lionfish amounts go down after all the years of peoples awareness
Does anyone have an update to this technique? Did this plan actually work? Are there less lion fish now?
Interesting to see a fish showing some kind of smarts
What is wrong with lionfish? Are they some kind of threat to other sea creatures if theres too many of them?
They're actually an invasive species. They are originally from the Indian ocean, not the atlantic.
Like he's a hunting dog, so cool!
Man that's great! The groupers having a new fish to hunt, maybe it will help the population of groupers recover and put some big, fat super sized adults back at the top to make the species healthy again.
Good jobs.Thank you
Mutual aid in the animal kingdom. Love to see it.
That's pretty cool. Now who do we teach to eat the plague of humanity?
Thus the grouper becomes the groupie :-)
But Lion fish have poison spines, How are the groupers immune?