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@@nat6639 Very true, and now I think of it a Clever Dick Films Doctor Who Iceberg would be quite cool although it would be a very different type of video.
Love this! The Sarah Jane Adventures is one of the best shows to ever exist ❤️ 5 series of pure perfection, amazing characters, wholesome family and funny moments, insane alien designs and explosive episodes… definitely the perfect spin off.
Obscure Wilderness Years Doctor Who is my jam, so I'm going to grab some popcorn and wait for some Faction Paradox and VNA goodness. And I'd best hear some Doctor in Distress at some point.
One of the only things I remember about Class is that the final episode was released on the same day that I visited The Williamson Tunnels in Liverpool, which, so far, is the only time that I have visited a location which would go on to feature prominently in Doctor Who, as opposed to seeing a location in the show first and then visiting it.
16:00 Don't use Fandom, they are becoming more and more greedy with more and more ads that are run on the side. Also they use AI to fill information. Many, especially games like Minecraft, Terraria and many Indie Games, did left Fandom because of this last Year. Fandom is not longer a trustworthy source for information.
You're off to a great start. Thing is, I'd be willing to bet there'll be a lot of controversy over what belongs in what tier... will probably have more to say after part two
Thank you so much for explaining the concept of Canon in such a simplified but detailed form with examples that I feel confident in educating others unfamiliar about it.
I have listened to many Big Finish extras and I wish I had a dollar for every time that someone said “hiding behind the sofa”. (That being said, I love these extras).
10:00 (my view on canon and continuity) I've imagined that the canon and continuity of dr who can be viewed as kind of a multiverse/alt timelines as in like bubbles and shards of the contradictory things and lots of them and bubbles that have shards within, and then a veeery thin central line of some sort of very simple and basic canon (which still can be subject to change) and the bubble and shard thing could kind of be made into a website map that you can zoom and go around
Nice list. All very appropriate to be at this level, though I wonder where the companions entry will fall. Also, looking forward to seeing the entry for the companion that was a normal gorilla that the 8th Doctor taught to fly the TARDIS.
I've got a pretty wild theory about the Bi-Regeneration... Ok, so, what we know of it, is that Ncuti's Doctor IS the definitive next Doctor after Tennant's 14th, he said so himself, but there can only be ONE Doctor (The fugitive Doctor and War Doctor are still the SAME Doctor). With me so far? The 14th Doctor Bi-Regenerated because, according to Ncuti's 15th Doctor, he 'Needed a period of Rest and Recuperation', but this still leaves the 14th Doctor and a copy of the TARDIS within the universe, as a kind of by-product and they will need to reintegrate with the 15th Doctor at some point. What if Tennant's 14th 'Leftover' Doctor, at some point towards the end of his natural life, goes back in time and becomes The Watcher? It would make sense, and a logical way for him to reintegrate back into a single entity again, and also close a long-time continuity plot hole. Okay, it still leaves yet another TARDIS out there somewhere, but at last count, I think there are about 4 or 5 'abandoned' TARDIS' in the universe anyway.
Harbo, my man, I have a fan theory for you that I thought up after watching B-Where and your iceberg videos. Let me know what you think and feel free to make a video out of it: The TLDR version: the Timeless Child originally bi-generated into two distinct time lords, creating the Doctor and the Master. To fully prepare for, and comprehend the facets of this theory, first, be aware of the following theories.: ◦ the Doctor and the Master are siblings (re: the original plans for the 1996 movie) ◦ the Doctor and the Master are different versions of the same time lord (re: the Valiard from the 6th Doctor’s story) ◦ The Doctor is half (or part) human (re: the 1996 movie) ◦ The Doctor is the Timeless Child (confirmed in-show) ◦ The Timeless Child should have been the Master (popular fan theory) ◦ The Time Lords (or at least Gallifreyans) are DISTANTLY evolved humans who discovered time travel and traveled back to the beginning of the universe to establish their time-oriented society (popular fan theory) This theory combines all of the above. It goes as such: Humans on earth eventually evolve far into the future, over millions of years and spreading across the stars, settling the planet now known as Gallifrey. With the technology to travel the stars, they venture more and more into space. Their inquisitive nature draws them to the unknown. One day, a Gallifreyan named Tecteun is traveling the stars when they discover a baby near a wormhole to another universe. The baby is blessed with extraordinary abilities due to its exposure to the wormhole, but it is Gallifreyan in origin. Texteun takes the baby home. As we see in “the Timeless Children,” the child has the ability to regenerate. However, what we did not see was that this Timeless Child did not just regenerate. She bi-generated. Now there were two children. Tecteun conducted experiments in the child she deemed to be the original, horribly ending the child each time and making them regenerate. All the while she tried to repeat the process of bi-generation, without success. She eventually concluded that the child must have only been able to do so once, but is also able to learn the secretes of regeneration, encoding this secret into her own DNA, creating the Time Lords. The two children go on to become the Master, and The Doctor. Split from the same whole, they were like siblings. Tecteun wiped their memories of all the experiments and regenerations that came before. The Master is a dark version of the Doctor and has several incarnations spread across time which act like a rival figure in history, including (maybe) some versions that have claimed to be the Doctor (like the Fugitive Doctor from series 13). This would also include the Valiard and the Dream Lord. Due to Tecteun’s mind wipes, they do not know that they came from the same source Time Lord. This theory explains: ◦ How the Doctor and the Master are both siblings AND the same Time Lord ◦ How Time Lords, including the Doctor, are distant descendants of humans. ◦ How both the Doctor and the Master are technically the Timeless Child. ◦ Why the Doctor is so righteous while the Master is so evil - they’re the two split halves of one whole (Like Kami & Piccolo from DBZ) ◦ Why both the Doctor & the Master never seem to run out of regenerations, despite repeatedly claiming to be out of them. The timeless child does not run out of regenerations. The reason the 14th Doctor was able to bi-generate instead of just regenerating was due to the Toymaker being the one to kill him. The Toymaker is a celestial being from outside our own universe. Perhaps even the universe which was connected to ours through the wormhole that granted to Timeless Child its unique powers. His presence and influence on the Doctor brought with it a unique catalyst for the bi-generation to occur. This is why not every regeneration has been a bi-generation and why it is unlikely to occur again.
There are a few things I wouldn't consider Internationally tip of the Iceberg. This is the 1st I've ever heard of "Mr Men" or the Google game, nor do I know anything about Lego. For me the best game so far was The Gunpowder Plot, which I recently played for the first time.
Delia Derbyshire didn’t compose the theme, Ron Grainer wrote every single note. Delia Derbyshire arranged his composition, transforming it from written sheet music into the theme you heard from 1963 to 1979 They were arguably as important to the overall sonic experience as each other, but they both had very distinct roles
I was very sad when Elizabeth Sladen passed away and the ‘Sarah Jane Chronicles’ tv show had to be canceled…it really was a pretty damn good show, NEARLY on par with the main show itself at the time. EVER-so-slightly more geared towards kids, yes, but still a good time.
Oh mate, if think Titan Comics are 'tier 10' you aren't ready for stuff like 'The Faction Paradox' or 'Iris Wildthyme', and certainly not ready for some of the really weird stuff that happens in some of the books and audios.
I cannot tell you what this show means to me personally. As kid I was the awkward, outcast, bullied closeted queer kid who never fit in and always wanted to escape and Doctor Who was my escape. We have all dreamed of looking out of our bedroom window and seeing that big blue box on the street corner with the mysterious stranger inside ready to whisk us off on a load of magical adventures. The Doctor values kindness and individuality and makes you look into yourself and who you are and who you want to be as a person. I always think to myself when I am making a life decision would the Doctor be proud of me? This show will always have a special place in my heart and I will always be grateful to it for helping me become who I am now and become a better and more confident person.
I know a lot about the show. More than I like to admit. But there was some stuff on here that I didn't know about. This Mr. Men thing for example. Never heard of it.
Daleks are responsible for the works of Shakespeare and they never watch anything on BBC 2. Source: "Red Dwarf A-Z" DVD bonus feature. (E for Exterminate)
I love this but you are going so fast. I can't keep up. I know you want to just do like an introduction to the topics but maybe go into slightly more depth with it. I blinked and you were talking about SJA lol. Just a thought.
Love a good Iceberg, but I think the format works best with a long-ass livestream full with lots of opinion and comedy thrown in, otherwise it feels too much like having the wiki read to me
Even as a time travel show, there’s still the internal logic of the series. Personally i wouldn’t mind the bigeneration if it wasn’t used so they could keep Tennant on standby for the season. I probably wouldn’t have minded if 14 disappeared into 15 after beating the Toymaker. But I hate the flimsy excuses for not killing 14. They avoided 10’s original regeneration in stolen earth, then had a farewell parade of death, then had another parade of death to his previous parade of death, and now they made him an amoeba. Eh still better than what they did to the Master during RTD’s first era
@tgiacin435 I understand the way you feel about it and can see it that way but I also see that as kinda stated in the episode they needed a time-out to deal with all the trauma that they had experienced and never dealt with, all they ever did was run. They needed this to heal so 15 could have no weight of previous series. Move it forward and as for 14 comming back I doubt they are going to just bring him back for nothing and then why he won't show up in situations and knowing he's there, well hopefully they've planned reasons why lol
@@davidrohde2636 true, but most of that trauma was from the new series trying to make the Doctor relatable. But we don’t need to relate to the Doctor, that’s what we have the companion for. With the new series, the Doctor seems to be as emotional as the episode requires. One ep he’s all jumping about like a kid in a candy shop, another ep he’s all emo about the time war, a war which makes very little sense because of the war games serial. First appearance of the time lords, the literally erased the war lords from existence. They could’ve literally prevented the whole war
@@alfiedodman5231How are the Cybermen less well known than Class and the TARDIS data core? I don't understand the reasoning behind the iceberg's first tier at all.
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I trust no one more than Harbo Wholmes to make a definitive Doctor Who iceberg, very glad this is finally a thing
Him and Diamanda Hagan for me
i think dwfan91 would also do a very good one
That's a pretty strong recommendation! When did you meet him?
@@nat6639 Very true, and now I think of it a Clever Dick Films Doctor Who Iceberg would be quite cool although it would be a very different type of video.
LEGO dimensions is actually how I got into Doctor Who - great video.
Yeah, I want to play it again but that is impossible because I lost Batman
@@nathanelb721My Voldemort stopped working.
I had this game too loved it so much, best doctor who game . I ofc have been obsessed with it since 9th.
Same here, I got the Twelfth Doctor level pack for christmas the same year I started watching Series 5 (my first series)
@@TheOtherDiscord It was exactly the same with me
Thank you so much for mentioning my chart, it was hell to put together and I appreciate the nod 😅
The Retcon section was a chance to mention that Retcon is a drug in Torchwood that makes people forget... wait... what was I talking about? Oh well.
i wish there were a feature to get notifications for playlist updates. i'd mark this series for sure! watching part 2 immediately after this!
Love this! The Sarah Jane Adventures is one of the best shows to ever exist ❤️ 5 series of pure perfection, amazing characters, wholesome family and funny moments, insane alien designs and explosive episodes… definitely the perfect spin off.
Obscure Wilderness Years Doctor Who is my jam, so I'm going to grab some popcorn and wait for some Faction Paradox and VNA goodness. And I'd best hear some Doctor in Distress at some point.
One of the only things I remember about Class is that the final episode was released on the same day that I visited The Williamson Tunnels in Liverpool, which, so far, is the only time that I have visited a location which would go on to feature prominently in Doctor Who, as opposed to seeing a location in the show first and then visiting it.
>quarries
>bad special effects
As a Kamen Rider enjoyer, I get it.
this is perfect actually, Harbo is the best person to create a Doctor Who Iceberg
16:00 Don't use Fandom, they are becoming more and more greedy with more and more ads that are run on the side. Also they use AI to fill information. Many, especially games like Minecraft, Terraria and many Indie Games, did left Fandom because of this last Year. Fandom is not longer a trustworthy source for information.
Even TardisWiki has gone. And it's a lot better for it.
I've been watching Doctor Who since the 80s, Peter Davidson was "my" Doctor. I really enjoy your reviews and analysis. I'm looking forward to this.
Hey man I woke up this morning and my channel was gone but this vid has helped me get over it. I love your vids man ❤
You're off to a great start. Thing is, I'd be willing to bet there'll be a lot of controversy over what belongs in what tier... will probably have more to say after part two
Honestly think Class should be lower down the iceberg due to its obscurity.
Thank you so much for explaining the concept of Canon in such a simplified but detailed form with examples that I feel confident in educating others unfamiliar about it.
Yes! Love to see a proper Dr Who iceberg
A Big Doctor Who fan since it started(Classic Who).Cannot get enough of it. Looking forward to the continuation of the IceBerg.
Ohh I feel like this is going to be a banger
I have listened to many Big Finish extras and I wish I had a dollar for every time that someone said “hiding behind the sofa”. (That being said, I love these extras).
10:00 (my view on canon and continuity) I've imagined that the canon and continuity of dr who can be viewed as kind of a multiverse/alt timelines as in like bubbles and shards of the contradictory things and lots of them and bubbles that have shards within, and then a veeery thin central line of some sort of very simple and basic canon (which still can be subject to change)
and the bubble and shard thing could kind of be made into a website map that you can zoom and go around
God I am dreading what BBV creations we will find as we go below and also
💀fActIOn PaRadoX💀
Let's see how far the rabbit hole goes.
Harbo Wholmes and AphexCubed collab? I never expected Doctor Who and Pokemon ROM Hacks to cross over!
I literally searched for a Dr who iceberg yesterday but couldn't find one that appealed crazy coincidence
Nice list. All very appropriate to be at this level, though I wonder where the companions entry will fall.
Also, looking forward to seeing the entry for the companion that was a normal gorilla that the 8th Doctor taught to fly the TARDIS.
Oh this is just fantastic
Great work!
I've got a pretty wild theory about the Bi-Regeneration...
Ok, so, what we know of it, is that Ncuti's Doctor IS the definitive next Doctor after Tennant's 14th, he said so himself, but there can only be ONE Doctor (The fugitive Doctor and War Doctor are still the SAME Doctor).
With me so far?
The 14th Doctor Bi-Regenerated because, according to Ncuti's 15th Doctor, he 'Needed a period of Rest and Recuperation', but this still leaves the 14th Doctor and a copy of the TARDIS within the universe, as a kind of by-product and they will need to reintegrate with the 15th Doctor at some point.
What if Tennant's 14th 'Leftover' Doctor, at some point towards the end of his natural life, goes back in time and becomes The Watcher?
It would make sense, and a logical way for him to reintegrate back into a single entity again, and also close a long-time continuity plot hole.
Okay, it still leaves yet another TARDIS out there somewhere, but at last count, I think there are about 4 or 5 'abandoned' TARDIS' in the universe anyway.
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Harbo, my man, I have a fan theory for you that I thought up after watching B-Where and your iceberg videos. Let me know what you think and feel free to make a video out of it:
The TLDR version: the Timeless Child originally bi-generated into two distinct time lords, creating the Doctor and the Master.
To fully prepare for, and comprehend the facets of this theory, first, be aware of the following theories.:
◦ the Doctor and the Master are siblings (re: the original plans for the 1996 movie)
◦ the Doctor and the Master are different versions of the same time lord (re: the Valiard from the 6th Doctor’s story)
◦ The Doctor is half (or part) human (re: the 1996 movie)
◦ The Doctor is the Timeless Child (confirmed in-show)
◦ The Timeless Child should have been the Master (popular fan theory)
◦ The Time Lords (or at least Gallifreyans) are DISTANTLY evolved humans who discovered time travel and traveled back to the beginning of the universe to establish their time-oriented society (popular fan theory)
This theory combines all of the above. It goes as such:
Humans on earth eventually evolve far into the future, over millions of years and spreading across the stars, settling the planet now known as Gallifrey. With the technology to travel the stars, they venture more and more into space. Their inquisitive nature draws them to the unknown.
One day, a Gallifreyan named Tecteun is traveling the stars when they discover a baby near a wormhole to another universe. The baby is blessed with extraordinary abilities due to its exposure to the wormhole, but it is Gallifreyan in origin. Texteun takes the baby home. As we see in “the Timeless Children,” the child has the ability to regenerate. However, what we did not see was that this Timeless Child did not just regenerate. She bi-generated. Now there were two children.
Tecteun conducted experiments in the child she deemed to be the original, horribly ending the child each time and making them regenerate. All the while she tried to repeat the process of bi-generation, without success. She eventually concluded that the child must have only been able to do so once, but is also able to learn the secretes of regeneration, encoding this secret into her own DNA, creating the Time Lords.
The two children go on to become the Master, and The Doctor. Split from the same whole, they were like siblings. Tecteun wiped their memories of all the experiments and regenerations that came before.
The Master is a dark version of the Doctor and has several incarnations spread across time which act like a rival figure in history, including (maybe) some versions that have claimed to be the Doctor (like the Fugitive Doctor from series 13). This would also include the Valiard and the Dream Lord.
Due to Tecteun’s mind wipes, they do not know that they came from the same source Time Lord.
This theory explains:
◦ How the Doctor and the Master are both siblings AND the same Time Lord
◦ How Time Lords, including the Doctor, are distant descendants of humans.
◦ How both the Doctor and the Master are technically the Timeless Child.
◦ Why the Doctor is so righteous while the Master is so evil - they’re the two split halves of one whole (Like Kami & Piccolo from DBZ)
◦ Why both the Doctor & the Master never seem to run out of regenerations, despite repeatedly claiming to be out of them. The timeless child does not run out of regenerations.
The reason the 14th Doctor was able to bi-generate instead of just regenerating was due to the Toymaker being the one to kill him. The Toymaker is a celestial being from outside our own universe. Perhaps even the universe which was connected to ours through the wormhole that granted to Timeless Child its unique powers. His presence and influence on the Doctor brought with it a unique catalyst for the bi-generation to occur. This is why not every regeneration has been a bi-generation and why it is unlikely to occur again.
There are a few things I wouldn't consider Internationally tip of the Iceberg. This is the 1st I've ever heard of "Mr Men" or the Google game, nor do I know anything about Lego. For me the best game so far was The Gunpowder Plot, which I recently played for the first time.
One of my favorite Doctor who facts is that 7th Doctor planned his death and like 4 adventures after it. (Including tv movie)
Delia Derbyshire didn’t compose the theme, Ron Grainer wrote every single note. Delia Derbyshire arranged his composition, transforming it from written sheet music into the theme you heard from 1963 to 1979
They were arguably as important to the overall sonic experience as each other, but they both had very distinct roles
I never watched the other spin-offs but Class was so good I was so disappointed that they cancelled that
Wow now THAT was A LOT of information!
Time to review series 9 and children of earth soon
I was very sad when Elizabeth Sladen passed away and the ‘Sarah Jane Chronicles’ tv show had to be canceled…it really was a pretty damn good show, NEARLY on par with the main show itself at the time. EVER-so-slightly more geared towards kids, yes, but still a good time.
Gonna be waiting a while for Tier 10 to explain stuff like how Martha Jones was actually a gargoyle
I imagine I won't be the only person to say this, but there is of course always Samuel Davis's Broke Canon. There's over 15 hours of it now.
Final tier should be fully classic who obscurities
Oh mate, if think Titan Comics are 'tier 10' you aren't ready for stuff like 'The Faction Paradox' or 'Iris Wildthyme', and certainly not ready for some of the really weird stuff that happens in some of the books and audios.
I cannot tell you what this show means to me personally. As kid I was the awkward, outcast, bullied closeted queer kid who never fit in and always wanted to escape and Doctor Who was my escape. We have all dreamed of looking out of our bedroom window and seeing that big blue box on the street corner with the mysterious stranger inside ready to whisk us off on a load of magical adventures. The Doctor values kindness and individuality and makes you look into yourself and who you are and who you want to be as a person. I always think to myself when I am making a life decision would the Doctor be proud of me? This show will always have a special place in my heart and I will always be grateful to it for helping me become who I am now and become a better and more confident person.
hey, I already learnt something - I had no idea the sonic hadn't been a part of the show since the very beginning!
well nto the very beginning, more the 2nd beginning. (the 2nd doctor era.)
Love seeing appreciation for the werewolf
B-WHERE did a really great dr who iceberg a few years ago
TARDIS Data Core should definitely be lower down. No way is that well known enough to be Tier 1. It's Tier 6 at the very least.
As much as I love LEGO Dimensions, the Doctor Who content is definitely not well-known enough for Tier 1. It's Tier 3 at least.
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Oh man, I really hope Fallout Who Vegas is somewhere on this Iceberg
I know a lot about the show. More than I like to admit. But there was some stuff on here that I didn't know about. This Mr. Men thing for example. Never heard of it.
Daleks are responsible for the works of Shakespeare and they never watch anything on BBC 2.
Source: "Red Dwarf A-Z" DVD bonus feature. (E for Exterminate)
Have I only just realised that Ncuti Gatwa has patterns in his fingernails.
Pov of the Conspiracy Iceberg:
Finally, a worthy opponent!
To get blessed with a DW iceberg, from you no less, count me greatful✨🖤
I love this but you are going so fast. I can't keep up. I know you want to just do like an introduction to the topics but maybe go into slightly more depth with it. I blinked and you were talking about SJA lol. Just a thought.
Love a good Iceberg, but I think the format works best with a long-ass livestream full with lots of opinion and comedy thrown in, otherwise it feels too much like having the wiki read to me
Everyone shall call on the name of lord shall be saved Joel 2:32
The new series is set to air in may 2024 not 2025. Just thought you would like to know
My head Canon on Canon and continuity = Timeline shenanigans aka timey whimey. All can happen as Doctor who is a time travel show and now bigeneration
Even as a time travel show, there’s still the internal logic of the series. Personally i wouldn’t mind the bigeneration if it wasn’t used so they could keep Tennant on standby for the season. I probably wouldn’t have minded if 14 disappeared into 15 after beating the Toymaker. But I hate the flimsy excuses for not killing 14. They avoided 10’s original regeneration in stolen earth, then had a farewell parade of death, then had another parade of death to his previous parade of death, and now they made him an amoeba. Eh still better than what they did to the Master during RTD’s first era
@tgiacin435 I understand the way you feel about it and can see it that way but I also see that as kinda stated in the episode they needed a time-out to deal with all the trauma that they had experienced and never dealt with, all they ever did was run. They needed this to heal so 15 could have no weight of previous series. Move it forward and as for 14 comming back I doubt they are going to just bring him back for nothing and then why he won't show up in situations and knowing he's there, well hopefully they've planned reasons why lol
@@davidrohde2636 true, but most of that trauma was from the new series trying to make the Doctor relatable. But we don’t need to relate to the Doctor, that’s what we have the companion for. With the new series, the Doctor seems to be as emotional as the episode requires. One ep he’s all jumping about like a kid in a candy shop, another ep he’s all emo about the time war, a war which makes very little sense because of the war games serial. First appearance of the time lords, the literally erased the war lords from existence. They could’ve literally prevented the whole war
Good content.
No cybermen?
If you see towards the end, they seem to have been classified as part of the 2nd tier of the iceberg.. So don't worry, they'll be turning up soon.
There on the second tier
@@alfiedodman5231How are the Cybermen less well known than Class and the TARDIS data core? I don't understand the reasoning behind the iceberg's first tier at all.
22:56 "hugely popular" ??? is that a joke?
The new intro sucks ass
don’t pick your face bud, exfoliate and moisturize