One of my favorite "what ifs" honestly. 9 really deserved another series cuz a lot more could've been explored about his loneliness with the way Eccleston portrayed him.
I doubt Eccleston would want to, but with Big Finish doing a "First Doctor Unbound" series next year, there is a chance we could see them explore this path. I would love it if they did, and get Eccleston and Piper back working together for a series of possibilities...
@@SaturnUmbreon He did say that he would consider coming back if everyone involved in the mess that was the production of Series 1 is gone. So that means if Bad Wolf gets axed. Sounds like a good proposition to me imo.
2:12 I read somewhere that, had Eccleston stayed, Jack would've survived and stayed a companion and series 2 would have him trying to find out what happened during his time at the Time Agency, the two years wiped from his memory.
Wow nice info, was Rose still a part of the original series 2 plan? I heard she was kept to be a bridge between the two series since the Doctor was now different
Having the Master die in 9s hands would be PHENOMENAL. Perhaps after an arc where he comes to terms over the time war, The Master’s death pushes him over the edge and he abandons their companion to do a few solo episodes. In that time he can learn that companionship is in fact what he needs. And he returns to his old friends one by one, checking in to see how they’re doing. Upon meeting Donna again, she is excited and tells him about the adipose, leading into the meat of the next season
If No9 stayed for at least 3 series ,he would have consolidated his position as the greatest doctor of them all .Instead, he is badly underappreciated and, at one stage, almost forgotten .
Credit where it's due for really deviating from the initial story over just 'S2 but with Eccleston'. But that said, I can't help there's a big misread of 9 and his character. After his 'everybody lives' moment he's very clearly a changed, more optimistic man as seen in Boom Town. He's almost 9.5. And similarly Jackie likes the doctor not because he's 10 and friendlier but because he sent Rose back - as she says in Parting of the Ways. This script really seems to make him too much of an edgy psycho corrupting those around him and ignores how much healing he did in S1 + how he typically inspired those around him to be better.
That's fair! I did initially want to clarify throughout the video that he'd still be a much lighter 9, but I guess it just got lost in the writing process and I ended up emphasizing the dark side too much
Hot take: Out of the two RTD Doctors, I think 9 is better than 10. As good as Tennant was, Eccleston seriously deserves more screen time out of any other Doctor along with McGann since I feel he left too early! It was understandable as to why, but still. You really click with him once Series 1 concludes, and as such he cozily puts himself up there as my 2nd favorite incarnation right behind the 11th.
a-fxckin-greed. Who knows maybe disney can get him even with the showrunners. Hopefully more bigfinish. Wardoc is unironically my favorite and it sucks he didn't get his final two.
I imagine School Reunion with Nine opposite. He meets his old friend from better times long before the war and learn that life's continues no matter what. Maybe there are civilizations that had been touched by a Time War. But there are much more people who just lived. So his whole life is not limited by this catastrophic event. There were good times too and he can have more of it in the future if he wants to.
For context I attempted suicide 3 times, please keep your "better times are coming" or "sorry man" to yourself, it's the context not for sympathy farming. I got to run into a friend from my trucking days, and he mentioned that I'm a vastly different person. This was about a year after my 3rd attempt, which was strangely helpful to my mental health as it was my revelation that I'm not actually ok. It did make me a darker person and more open to the topic of death. As I was mentioning this to him he started questioning if he ever actually knew me. I responded "yeah I legitimately don't know myself either"
@@BrowncoatInABox dear god. You won't believe but I can understand this. You need help from specialists, I hope it is available to you or you do this already. But I didn't try to touch such topics. I just was thinking of fictional character and his possible arc in a timeline that never happened. Really far from cruel reality. I imagined this one as more positive because well School Reunion. You had a bad exp with this one but it's always works both ways. There are bad there are good. Notice I didn't deny the way it was in a video but either have an opposite conception. I just believe it would be right for the story to have this more positive moment in the middle. Also resonate good with Sarah's advice to Rose.
I have trouble believing Davies would kill off Rose Tyler. His response to Billie Piper leaving was rough. He really wanted his Doctor/Rose love story and losing it made him lose it. He even named Donna's kid Rose.
@@aidanrfleming she didn't leave with Chris though and every interview with her I can find quotes her as saying she left because she didn't want to be seen as a role model and the role gave her more fame than she could handle, having been a much smaller star before the role
I'm sure Christopher and Catherine Tate would have a wonderful dynamic. They could even have her appear in the "runaway bride" while Martha is still a companion. Then she is the one who gets stuck in the Tardis and whisked away to the geneses planet in "the doctor's daughter" At that part Martha may choose to stay there with the Hath to help them rebuild. Maybe when Jennie dies, the doctor will not just let it go because Rose just died. So he works hard to make her regenerate and she becomes a new companion after that. Then split all the light-hearten episodes like "Unicorn and Wasp" from ones like "midnight." Donna would only be present for the first half of what would be series 3, before going home and leaving 9 and Jennie to have all the serious adventures like "silence in the library." However, once River Song dies, Jennie will become obsessed with finding out who she was and when the doctor refuses because of spoilers, she takes the square gun and the vortex manipulator and runs off on her own adventures in time. This leaves the doctor alone again for an episode "Midnight" until Kate Stewart calls him back to Earth for the "The Sontaran Stratagem" With no one else on earth he cares about, he calls Sarah Jane and Donna Noble to make sure they are safe when the sky gets poisoned. Neither one plays all that big of a role in the solution, but right afterward Donna collapses with apparent memories of "Turn Left" just appearing in her mind. They rush into the Tardis and the Earth disappears beneath them. In "the stolen Earth" the emotional reunion at the end is with Martha and not Rose. She has been recruited by the Shadow Proclamation because she is officially the last human in the galaxy because Earth disappearing in 2008 means that no human colonies ever went out into the stars. Again the doctor gets shot but he shrugs it off. Then he resolves the reality bomb in a similar way because Donna uses her second brain from "Turn Left" to learn the Dalek controls and kill them all. They fly the Earth home and The doctor erases Donna's memories of "Turn Left" and then goes outside to talk to Wilf to give him instructions on what not to do around Donna. There Wilf sees him collapse and regenerate due to the effects of the Dalek shot he was still suffering from. This leaves the specials to be either David Tenant's or Matt Smith's, whoever you prefer.
@@sanddagger36 The worst thing about Jenny being with a different Doctor would be David Tennant not meeting Georgia, but I'm going to assume they would have met anyway. :)
I feel like series 4 at least needed to be tenant, because tenant and tate are irl friends (and already were pre-dw) which is why they were so good together
@@wordart_guian Actually, David and Catherine knew *of* each other prior to working together on Doctor Who, but had never met before The Runaway Bride. And they didn't even get to meet at the read-through - Catherine couldn't make it to that for whatever reason - so they met on set when they filmed the rooftop scene, then quickly became very good friends irl. They've both talked about that in interviews. However, I completely agree Ten would have to be there for a season four with Donna! And if Donna met Nine first, it could be really interesting to see her reaction to a different version of the Doctor...
@@HuntingViolets Peter and David actually met during episode 1 of "The Mrs Bradley Mysteries" and Peter came to see David on his first day on set of Doctor Who. They have been good friends for longer than Doctor Who. I'm sure Georgia and David would've met at some point.
For this What If I've also always thought that maybe Jack doesn't "die" in Parting of the Ways. So that way we could have a full season of Nine, Rose and Jack. To me the best dynamic we didn't get enough of. The three of them were so good together. For Torchwood fans, maybe Jack departs in the series 2 finale and we still get that series just later than before.
Taking a few issues with this. 1. It is said that Jack would've stayed on had Eccleston stayed. It's clear they were setting up more with him with the whole time agent mysterious past thing. 2. Smith and Jones doesn't work as a companion's first adventure. You need to wow the companion, see her experience the adventure for the first time. A trip to a 21st century hospital in a slightly different Earth than she's used to is not that. Sure there's some excitement to come later than the moon, but the Doctor is supposed to impress you on your first adventure. End of the World, William Shakespeare, Ancient Rome, Starship UK, 1500s Venice, Akhaten, A colony on another planet, all impressive places and Martha just gets, slightly different Earth. 3. The idea of Martha softening the Doctor and not being moulded by him like Rose would be great... except that is exactly what Rose was doing in Series 1, you just changed her character to suit the narrative. 4. The idea of two finales in a row being solved my magic Bad Wolf omnipotency feels extremely cheap, even if it does come at the cost of Rose's life. It works for a one time thing, Parting of the Ways only gets away with it because of a regeneration. Without that, Rose really should just die. Obviously RTD is unlikely to do that, but come on.
Originally the Doctor was not planned to regenerate from taking the energy, so I imagine that he simply would have recovered. Maybe they could have had the Christmas episode with him still going through recovery similar to how it was. Not sure what would have happened with Harriet Jones, though. I get your joke, though.
This was a very interesting deviation from the original plotline, but I really liked it. The choices you made, I found to be very in-character for the Ninth Doctor and the decisions in the episodes expressed his story arc in a deeply engaging way. I'd love to see this continue and if possible see Nine meet Donna, she'd constantly be slapping him around as he'd probably pout about it.
I actually think the Tenth Doctor is darker than the Ninth Doctor. They both like to goof around and have adventures; is Ten really any happier? And Rose and Ten making a mockery of the situation in "Tooth and Claw" is much darker than taking it seriously. That is what led Queen Victoria setting up Torchwood originally. Rose is a dark character in Series 2 because the Tenth Doctor enables that, while the Ninth Doctor and Rose acted as brakes against each other's worst tendencies ("Father's Day," "Dalek"). (Rose's later use of the dimension cannon can be seen as dark and Ten's burning up a sun to say goodbye--although there can also be more benign explanations.) I'm surprised you don't find Eccleston's Doctor to be "wisecracking and charismatic" because I absolutely do. I think a relationship between Nine and Reinette makes more sense than with Ten, actually, because we are constantly shown Ten and Rose being infatuated with each other, while Nine falling for someone else doesn't seem as if the Doctor is being taken over by an AU version for a single episode. Although I certainly think there is a flirtatious aspect and some romantic subtext in the first season, Nine could easily have gotten involved with Jabe, for instance, without Rose minding that much, and Rose was interested in at least three other men, including being willing to spend the night in a hotel with Mickey. The idea of Mickey and Reinette is certainly interesting, though, and I probably would have preferred something like that for the Tenth Doctor (for reasons I have already expressed). I think you could still do "Christmas Invasion" because Nine could need to recover from taking the energy from Rose in (a retitled) "Parting of the Ways." Maybe things could have gone better for Harriet Jones. The Tenth Doctor disposes of Britain's Golden Age without much thought. Why couldn't we still have a swordfight? I'm certainly down with getting a Metacrisis Nine. :)
15:15 If Nine and Martha wore these similar outfits it would be a lovely lil' subtle callback to when Four and Romana wore similar outfits in Destiny of the Daleks. I love the episode outfits you picked for Martha, by the way.
Honestly I’m happy Eccleston left after Series 1, because A) we got David Tennant in the role who I love as the Doctor & B) I do like that Eccleston is a one term wonder, he did one season & it ended up being the best season in the history of Doctor Who.
This is SUCH a good video and it really feels like I just got to watch a whole series. You've done such a phenomenal job at creating and explaining the could-be stories ❤
It would’ve fun to see Eccleston take on the Cyberman, I’d have loved to see him face off against John Simm’s Master, I can so see them playing off each other brilliantly, similar to Capaldi & Simm, the TV box in Blink, imagine Eccleston delivering that monologue about the Angels.
Wow! I wish this what if had actually happened! That sounds like a great series! Also, I always wanted a Nine/Martha TARDIS team! One of the fictional teams I'd love to travel with!
That was a great video! I could see School Reunion being different and seeing the 9th Doctor and Sarah Jane together would be interesting. I would love to see you do a Series 3.
Series 2 would be a lot more consistent, the sudden leaving of eccelstone definitely is felt, series 2 was a bit inconsistent and didn't take itself as seriously Also was Tennants shakiest season, rose definitely subtracted from his performance
I think you really did a good job of trying to incorporate the existing storylines and companion changes to make the thru line work with the 9th Doctor staying. I'm not sure using the elements you had to incorporate you could have done a better job. Bravo!
You made Rose and The Doctor into Clara and The Doctor. You turned them into villains that could never be. The Doctor had his moments but he realised he had gone too far and stopped. The Doctor and companions are more complicated
I have spent a lot of time thinking about this, so it's nice to see I'm not alone. Really enjoyed this video and all of the beats make sense and most of the changes are probably better than what we actually got! Well, aside from the return of the Bad Wolf, but I get why you did you and it does make sense from a narrative point of view if not a dramatic one. Haven't looked to see if you ever did the S3 vid, but to be honest this would completely change the trajectory of the entire show, not just for the RTD era but we'd still be seeing the fallout of this change today. So this could easily turn into a full series chronicling how everything would have changed up to Series 14. I'd be here for it anyway :D
Haven’t watched yet but I fully believe it was the perfect choice to place a regeneration in that first season of the reboot, it brought attention to a big part of what makes doctor who so different from other sci fi to any first time viewers like myself and that eccleston season was such a great example of peak doctor who having it where it was just made so much sense
I just clicked onto this video to let people know i thought the thumbnail said "What if he slayed?" and i was originally coming here to let you know he did.
The 'Bad Wolf Entity' makes nonsense of The Time War. Why idn't the Time Lords just do what Rose did and destroy the Daleks that way, without their own mutual destruction ? It might have cost one Time Lord one regeneration, but surely that would be a worth-while sacrifice ?
this was such a fascinating dive into an alternate scenario! in regards to your comment about it feeling 'fanfiction-y', at this point writing anything for dr who would feel like writing fanfiction, imo. it's in a unique position amongst television, only joined by things like star trek or other very long-running television programmes, as there's more similarities between a fanfiction and the actual stories due to the constant evolution and continuation by fresh writers of the programmes. I could be wrong, of course, and if I manage to find out I'll probably update with that knowledge lol
This video inspires me! It is a thing of beauty. There are so many times fan content trashes every smallest detail and second guesses every choice the writers made. They just trash the original creative work. In their imaginations, their version would be worshiped and held beyond criticism. This happens so much that you start to see the whoniverse as a toxic cesspool of Galactic dimensions. You think, "I'll just buy the DVD's, enjoy the hell out of them and completely ignore and block anthing else". But there are some pretty cool fans. Dr. Who means so much to so many different kinds of people that seeing it through their eyes is always insightful. Anyway, you start with their creative work, accept it for what it is and go on to make your own creative and valuable content. And I think have a good intuition for how their perdonalities might develop. Well done!!!
As much as I loved Eccleston's portrayal of the Doctor.... I'm not sure I could have seen him pull off the meeting with Sarah Jane Smith with the same kind of giddy excitement that Tennant had. And that worked so well, I'm kind of glad things worked out as they did. Liz Sladen only had just so many years as that point.
Always found it interesting that rose absorbs the time vortex and then the doctor saves her and rose is completely fine afterwards (yes I know it would have killed her eventually if the doctor hadn't done something) but when the doctor absorbs it and then releases into the tardis even though he only had it for a few seconds it still causes enough damage to force him to regenerate
What are the worst things that happened in the show’s history? 1 Phillip Hinchcliffe, the brilliant young producer of the show whose creativity created a golden age of stories unceremoniously replaced by the inferior Graham Williams 2 John Nathan Turner being handed the reigns of the show and gradually turning it into a silly pantomime over the years. 3 The Paul McGann movie failing to pull in the viewers leaving fans without potentially an all time great Doctor for the 90s 4 Christopher Eccleston quitting.
A reasonable set of "what if" conclusions and theories. All I know is that I was gutted that Christopher Eccleston only did one series. Eccleston is a brilliant actor and has been one of my favourites for a very long time (since he started to come to prominence in the early 90s I guess). I thought his interpretation of the Doctor was fantastic (ahem). For me, there was no settling in period; he was the Doctor instantly. I was absolutely glued to the screen whenever he was on, totally commanding it and the role. I believed the PTSD, war-damaged Doctor completely and the redemption path that he was on. The moments of rage (e.g. meeting the Dalek in the episode of that name) or the sprks of hope that things mught just work out sometimes (e.g. when he was willing the nanogenes to figure things out and allow "eveyone [to] live, just this once" in The Doctor Dances - honestly, The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances is probably still my favourite new era story). And that's not to dump on anyone who has followed him. The quality of actors who have taken the role since the show's resurrection is stellar. I just wanted more Christopher Eccleston than we got.
This is something I've often wondered and this vid was a good exploration, if unexpected at times! I got serious Classic-Who vibes on the companion swapover 👍
Honestly, I LOVED the Doomsday ending you made. It would have been very meaningful, beautiful, and would have actually made Rose and Doctor relationship so much deeper. I wish we had writers like you, who would be really daring like this
Quite an insightful alternative to the series 2 we ended up getting. With that in mind, however, I don't think I agree with Martha's ark in comparison to what we see in series 3. Despite her unfair treatment, it sets a purpose to not only the Doctor's flawed mindset on Rose, but it also challenges them both with their diametrically opposed perspectives. As for Mickey, I do feel that he needed someone to get over Rose - and with a strong soul like Madam Pe Dompidor, (I no doubt butchered the correct spelling xD) it certainly gives the story a plot device to move things forward.
I don't think the ending to new earth would be darker just because it's 9 instead of 10. Incarnations of the doctor are alowlled to go through change and growth, in series one 9 definitely softens up by the end because of the connections he had with Rose and 10 even said Rose made him better. 12 became less angry and cold like 9, 10 got less happy I felt, and even 11 became less irratable, I think 9 showing Casandra compassion would show character growth for 9. 9s arc in series one to me is him finally letting himself heal his trauma from the time war and thus we get 10
On a trivial note, I wonder what changes might have been made, if any, to the Ninth Doctor's costume if he stayed after Series One, as we have seen with other incarnations that the outfits have changed or updated during and after their first season to keep things fresh. In the Ninth Doctor's case, I think he would keep the same leather jacket, or possibly get a new one to show his journey of recovering from the Time War trauma, and he would use some of the jumpers from Series One again along with a few new jumpers in different colours, patterns and features like buttons, or styles like a turtle neck instead of a v-neck like the jumper Eccleston wore in his prototype costume. I also wonder if the Ninth Doctor would keep his hair short or let it grow a bit longer, much like the Third, Sixth and Twelfth Doctors.
I hope you do season 3 I love all these what if videos that have been going around the starwars channels I'm so glad people have started them for doctor who as well
I absolutely LOVE it when you re-order a series, however (and this is only from a technicality standpoint) I think they wouldn't have had 2 stories set purely in a hospital in the same series. Apart from that petty reason I'd love to see this actualised as a proper series. Maybe one day on a parallel Earth, eh?
I feel like in the school episode with Sarah Jane, Nine wouldn't have replaced K-9 after the heroic sacrifice. He was a little colder, a little darker, and I feel that his way of seeing some loss as simply collateral would mean he wouldn't gift a new model. This could leave room for him to have cameoed after season 2 here, when he is healing, to bring that model to her. I would love to see season 3 done, as I'm quite curious how you think the Titanic episode would have gone, given it once again has a romance subplot.
@@mayotango1317In the serial "Marco Polo" she states that she is 16 years old, and also has an interesting relationship with the 16 year old princess she shared a bed with
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One of my favorite "what ifs" honestly. 9 really deserved another series cuz a lot more could've been explored about his loneliness with the way Eccleston portrayed him.
I doubt Eccleston would want to, but with Big Finish doing a "First Doctor Unbound" series next year, there is a chance we could see them explore this path. I would love it if they did, and get Eccleston and Piper back working together for a series of possibilities...
he was my favorite and it wasnt even close
@@SaturnUmbreon He did say that he would consider coming back if everyone involved in the mess that was the production of Series 1 is gone. So that means if Bad Wolf gets axed. Sounds like a good proposition to me imo.
2:12 I read somewhere that, had Eccleston stayed, Jack would've survived and stayed a companion and series 2 would have him trying to find out what happened during his time at the Time Agency, the two years wiped from his memory.
Wow nice info, was Rose still a part of the original series 2 plan? I heard she was kept to be a bridge between the two series since the Doctor was now different
@@carsforever4002 good question. 🤔
Perhaps the Doctor Who wiki knows or some other website…?
@@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o Yeah I’ll definitely have to look that up but I’m really glad we had Rose for both series 🙌
Unrelated but does that get explained in Torchwood?
@@Comicbroe405 I don't think it is but then again, I haven't seen all of Torchwood for quite some time.
My fan favorite "What If" moment would be with the 12th Doctor meeting Donna Noble in the 60 specials lmao, that would be an epic argument
Especially since wiping memory is part of his arc and he learns that is a terrible solution himself so didn't do this to Bill.
Having the Master die in 9s hands would be PHENOMENAL. Perhaps after an arc where he comes to terms over the time war, The Master’s death pushes him over the edge and he abandons their companion to do a few solo episodes. In that time he can learn that companionship is in fact what he needs. And he returns to his old friends one by one, checking in to see how they’re doing. Upon meeting Donna again, she is excited and tells him about the adipose, leading into the meat of the next season
If No9 stayed for at least 3 series ,he would have consolidated his position as the greatest doctor of them all .Instead, he is badly underappreciated and, at one stage, almost forgotten .
Credit where it's due for really deviating from the initial story over just 'S2 but with Eccleston'.
But that said, I can't help there's a big misread of 9 and his character. After his 'everybody lives' moment he's very clearly a changed, more optimistic man as seen in Boom Town. He's almost 9.5. And similarly Jackie likes the doctor not because he's 10 and friendlier but because he sent Rose back - as she says in Parting of the Ways. This script really seems to make him too much of an edgy psycho corrupting those around him and ignores how much healing he did in S1 + how he typically inspired those around him to be better.
That's fair! I did initially want to clarify throughout the video that he'd still be a much lighter 9, but I guess it just got lost in the writing process and I ended up emphasizing the dark side too much
@@HarboWholmes As I say in a crazy long comment, I think Ten is the darker of the two.
@@HuntingVioletsPlease, the Eleventh Doctor is the Time Champion in the New Series.
@@mayotango1317 I'm not sure what that has to do with my comparing two other Doctors, but I'll bite. Who is killing the Eleventh Doctor?
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If it was eccleston in school reunion then he'd definitely be a woodwork teacher
Your extension of Rose's recklessness arc reminds me very much of Clara's recklessness arc with 12.
That’s what I immediately thought as well
That’s literally all this is he just made 9 into 12
Hot take: Out of the two RTD Doctors, I think 9 is better than 10. As good as Tennant was, Eccleston seriously deserves more screen time out of any other Doctor along with McGann since I feel he left too early! It was understandable as to why, but still. You really click with him once Series 1 concludes, and as such he cozily puts himself up there as my 2nd favorite incarnation right behind the 11th.
a-fxckin-greed. Who knows maybe disney can get him even with the showrunners. Hopefully more bigfinish. Wardoc is unironically my favorite and it sucks he didn't get his final two.
I imagine School Reunion with Nine opposite. He meets his old friend from better times long before the war and learn that life's continues no matter what. Maybe there are civilizations that had been touched by a Time War. But there are much more people who just lived. So his whole life is not limited by this catastrophic event. There were good times too and he can have more of it in the future if he wants to.
For context I attempted suicide 3 times, please keep your "better times are coming" or "sorry man" to yourself, it's the context not for sympathy farming. I got to run into a friend from my trucking days, and he mentioned that I'm a vastly different person. This was about a year after my 3rd attempt, which was strangely helpful to my mental health as it was my revelation that I'm not actually ok. It did make me a darker person and more open to the topic of death. As I was mentioning this to him he started questioning if he ever actually knew me. I responded "yeah I legitimately don't know myself either"
@@BrowncoatInABox dear god. You won't believe but I can understand this. You need help from specialists, I hope it is available to you or you do this already.
But I didn't try to touch such topics. I just was thinking of fictional character and his possible arc in a timeline that never happened. Really far from cruel reality.
I imagined this one as more positive because well School Reunion. You had a bad exp with this one but it's always works both ways. There are bad there are good. Notice I didn't deny the way it was in a video but either have an opposite conception.
I just believe it would be right for the story to have this more positive moment in the middle. Also resonate good with Sarah's advice to Rose.
The problem is that the Ninth Doctor is similar to the Hinchcliffe Fourth Doctor.
I have trouble believing Davies would kill off Rose Tyler. His response to Billie Piper leaving was rough. He really wanted his Doctor/Rose love story and losing it made him lose it. He even named Donna's kid Rose.
Billie also only left because Chris left, otherwise she’d have stayed on an extra series or something more like Amy or Clara
@@aidanrfleming she didn't leave with Chris though and every interview with her I can find quotes her as saying she left because she didn't want to be seen as a role model and the role gave her more fame than she could handle, having been a much smaller star before the role
This is fantastic. The only downside, there's no Donna Noble yet - those two would ascend together!
I'm sure Christopher and Catherine Tate would have a wonderful dynamic.
They could even have her appear in the "runaway bride" while Martha is still a companion. Then she is the one who gets stuck in the Tardis and whisked away to the geneses planet in "the doctor's daughter"
At that part Martha may choose to stay there with the Hath to help them rebuild.
Maybe when Jennie dies, the doctor will not just let it go because Rose just died. So he works hard to make her regenerate and she becomes a new companion after that.
Then split all the light-hearten episodes like "Unicorn and Wasp" from ones like "midnight." Donna would only be present for the first half of what would be series 3, before going home and leaving 9 and Jennie to have all the serious adventures like "silence in the library."
However, once River Song dies, Jennie will become obsessed with finding out who she was and when the doctor refuses because of spoilers, she takes the square gun and the vortex manipulator and runs off on her own adventures in time.
This leaves the doctor alone again for an episode "Midnight" until Kate Stewart calls him back to Earth for the "The Sontaran Stratagem"
With no one else on earth he cares about, he calls Sarah Jane and Donna Noble to make sure they are safe when the sky gets poisoned.
Neither one plays all that big of a role in the solution, but right afterward Donna collapses with apparent memories of "Turn Left" just appearing in her mind.
They rush into the Tardis and the Earth disappears beneath them.
In "the stolen Earth" the emotional reunion at the end is with Martha and not Rose. She has been recruited by the Shadow Proclamation because she is officially the last human in the galaxy because Earth disappearing in 2008 means that no human colonies ever went out into the stars.
Again the doctor gets shot but he shrugs it off. Then he resolves the reality bomb in a similar way because Donna uses her second brain from "Turn Left" to learn the Dalek controls and kill them all. They fly the Earth home and The doctor erases Donna's memories of "Turn Left" and then goes outside to talk to Wilf to give him instructions on what not to do around Donna. There Wilf sees him collapse and regenerate due to the effects of the Dalek shot he was still suffering from. This leaves the specials to be either David Tenant's or Matt Smith's, whoever you prefer.
@@sanddagger36 The worst thing about Jenny being with a different Doctor would be David Tennant not meeting Georgia, but I'm going to assume they would have met anyway. :)
I feel like series 4 at least needed to be tenant, because tenant and tate are irl friends (and already were pre-dw) which is why they were so good together
@@wordart_guian Actually, David and Catherine knew *of* each other prior to working together on Doctor Who, but had never met before The Runaway Bride. And they didn't even get to meet at the read-through - Catherine couldn't make it to that for whatever reason - so they met on set when they filmed the rooftop scene, then quickly became very good friends irl. They've both talked about that in interviews. However, I completely agree Ten would have to be there for a season four with Donna! And if Donna met Nine first, it could be really interesting to see her reaction to a different version of the Doctor...
@@HuntingViolets Peter and David actually met during episode 1 of "The Mrs Bradley Mysteries" and Peter came to see David on his first day on set of Doctor Who. They have been good friends for longer than Doctor Who. I'm sure Georgia and David would've met at some point.
Really interesting to explore Rose having a Clara-esque arc with becoming more like the Doctor to the detriment of both of them. Well done
For this What If I've also always thought that maybe Jack doesn't "die" in Parting of the Ways. So that way we could have a full season of Nine, Rose and Jack.
To me the best dynamic we didn't get enough of. The three of them were so good together. For Torchwood fans, maybe Jack departs in the series 2 finale and we still get that series just later than before.
That would’ve been a far superior plot in any case, Mickey Smith copping off with Madame De Pomidor In front of Rose and her new fella basically 😅
These Eccelston thumbnails for the episodes are top notch. Really wish we could see this What If series now
Man would have loved to see Eccleston get at least 1 more series. He's still My favorite doctor. Great video!
Taking a few issues with this.
1. It is said that Jack would've stayed on had Eccleston stayed. It's clear they were setting up more with him with the whole time agent mysterious past thing.
2. Smith and Jones doesn't work as a companion's first adventure. You need to wow the companion, see her experience the adventure for the first time. A trip to a 21st century hospital in a slightly different Earth than she's used to is not that. Sure there's some excitement to come later than the moon, but the Doctor is supposed to impress you on your first adventure. End of the World, William Shakespeare, Ancient Rome, Starship UK, 1500s Venice, Akhaten, A colony on another planet, all impressive places and Martha just gets, slightly different Earth.
3. The idea of Martha softening the Doctor and not being moulded by him like Rose would be great... except that is exactly what Rose was doing in Series 1, you just changed her character to suit the narrative.
4. The idea of two finales in a row being solved my magic Bad Wolf omnipotency feels extremely cheap, even if it does come at the cost of Rose's life. It works for a one time thing, Parting of the Ways only gets away with it because of a regeneration. Without that, Rose really should just die. Obviously RTD is unlikely to do that, but come on.
RTD whould've just had Rose let the time vortex energy go.
Modern RTD or 2000s RTD?
Originally the Doctor was not planned to regenerate from taking the energy, so I imagine that he simply would have recovered. Maybe they could have had the Christmas episode with him still going through recovery similar to how it was. Not sure what would have happened with Harriet Jones, though. I get your joke, though.
I misread the thumbnail as "what if he slayed?"
This was a very interesting deviation from the original plotline, but I really liked it. The choices you made, I found to be very in-character for the Ninth Doctor and the decisions in the episodes expressed his story arc in a deeply engaging way. I'd love to see this continue and if possible see Nine meet Donna, she'd constantly be slapping him around as he'd probably pout about it.
I actually think the Tenth Doctor is darker than the Ninth Doctor. They both like to goof around and have adventures; is Ten really any happier? And Rose and Ten making a mockery of the situation in "Tooth and Claw" is much darker than taking it seriously. That is what led Queen Victoria setting up Torchwood originally. Rose is a dark character in Series 2 because the Tenth Doctor enables that, while the Ninth Doctor and Rose acted as brakes against each other's worst tendencies ("Father's Day," "Dalek"). (Rose's later use of the dimension cannon can be seen as dark and Ten's burning up a sun to say goodbye--although there can also be more benign explanations.) I'm surprised you don't find Eccleston's Doctor to be "wisecracking and charismatic" because I absolutely do.
I think a relationship between Nine and Reinette makes more sense than with Ten, actually, because we are constantly shown Ten and Rose being infatuated with each other, while Nine falling for someone else doesn't seem as if the Doctor is being taken over by an AU version for a single episode. Although I certainly think there is a flirtatious aspect and some romantic subtext in the first season, Nine could easily have gotten involved with Jabe, for instance, without Rose minding that much, and Rose was interested in at least three other men, including being willing to spend the night in a hotel with Mickey. The idea of Mickey and Reinette is certainly interesting, though, and I probably would have preferred something like that for the Tenth Doctor (for reasons I have already expressed).
I think you could still do "Christmas Invasion" because Nine could need to recover from taking the energy from Rose in (a retitled) "Parting of the Ways." Maybe things could have gone better for Harriet Jones. The Tenth Doctor disposes of Britain's Golden Age without much thought. Why couldn't we still have a swordfight? I'm certainly down with getting a Metacrisis Nine. :)
Would absolutely love another one of these style of what if videos
Ooooh Mickey and Reinette would have put Rose in her place once and for all. Love it.
Rose does no wrong
Please do series 3 this is fantastic
I need this
15:15 If Nine and Martha wore these similar outfits it would be a lovely lil' subtle callback to when Four and Romana wore similar outfits in Destiny of the Daleks. I love the episode outfits you picked for Martha, by the way.
Honestly I’m happy Eccleston left after Series 1, because A) we got David Tennant in the role who I love as the Doctor & B) I do like that Eccleston is a one term wonder, he did one season & it ended up being the best season in the history of Doctor Who.
I think that finale is exactly what RTD at the time would’ve done. Good job!
This is SUCH a good video and it really feels like I just got to watch a whole series. You've done such a phenomenal job at creating and explaining the could-be stories ❤
I wish we had have got this s2 instead. It sounds so much better.
It would’ve fun to see Eccleston take on the Cyberman, I’d have loved to see him face off against John Simm’s Master, I can so see them playing off each other brilliantly, similar to Capaldi & Simm, the TV box in Blink, imagine Eccleston delivering that monologue about the Angels.
You did a good job with the stories. Would be cool to have seen them not only in my mind while listening.
I easily agree with everything here except of course the final thing. You should do an "If Peter Capaldi stayed for Series 11" one too 🙏
this absolutely is not "edgy wattpad fanfic" like you maybe thought when writing. this is beautiful, fleshed out, engaging ao3 fanfic!!
I really enjoyed this, I’d love to see you continue on with S3.
Wow! I wish this what if had actually happened! That sounds like a great series! Also, I always wanted a Nine/Martha TARDIS team! One of the fictional teams I'd love to travel with!
This is really good Harbo! I actually loved the ending
you NEED to write this as a fanfiction!!! I’d read the absolute hell out of this
That was a great video! I could see School Reunion being different and seeing the 9th Doctor and Sarah Jane together would be interesting. I would love to see you do a Series 3.
Series 2 would be a lot more consistent, the sudden leaving of eccelstone definitely is felt, series 2 was a bit inconsistent and didn't take itself as seriously
Also was Tennants shakiest season, rose definitely subtracted from his performance
“They would be more platonic” that’s just missing the 9th doctor’s character
I think you really did a good job of trying to incorporate the existing storylines and companion changes to make the thru line work with the 9th Doctor staying. I'm not sure using the elements you had to incorporate you could have done a better job. Bravo!
Someone get Big Finish on the line and make that Mickey-centered Girl In The Fireplace episode! Also, love the split Series 2 structure with Martha.
You made Rose and The Doctor into Clara and The Doctor. You turned them into villains that could never be. The Doctor had his moments but he realised he had gone too far and stopped. The Doctor and companions are more complicated
i want series 10 reviews soon ,harbo
FanTAStic! I hope you do Series Three!
I genuinely think narratively having 9 regenerate at the end of the first season is really good as someone who came into the series with series 1
I have spent a lot of time thinking about this, so it's nice to see I'm not alone. Really enjoyed this video and all of the beats make sense and most of the changes are probably better than what we actually got! Well, aside from the return of the Bad Wolf, but I get why you did you and it does make sense from a narrative point of view if not a dramatic one.
Haven't looked to see if you ever did the S3 vid, but to be honest this would completely change the trajectory of the entire show, not just for the RTD era but we'd still be seeing the fallout of this change today. So this could easily turn into a full series chronicling how everything would have changed up to Series 14. I'd be here for it anyway :D
Haven’t watched yet but I fully believe it was the perfect choice to place a regeneration in that first season of the reboot, it brought attention to a big part of what makes doctor who so different from other sci fi to any first time viewers like myself and that eccleston season was such a great example of peak doctor who having it where it was just made so much sense
I just clicked onto this video to let people know i thought the thumbnail said "What if he slayed?" and i was originally coming here to let you know he did.
Carry on with this series Harbo, love "what if's" about Eccleston and the dark side we could've seen.
This was very good! I'd love to season 3!
What about a, What if NewWho had McGann's eight ala Big Finish instead of Eccleston's 9?
pls pls pls continue this series
The 'Bad Wolf Entity' makes nonsense of The Time War. Why idn't the Time Lords just do what Rose did and destroy the Daleks that way, without their own mutual destruction ? It might have cost one Time Lord one regeneration, but surely that would be a worth-while sacrifice ?
this was such a fascinating dive into an alternate scenario! in regards to your comment about it feeling 'fanfiction-y', at this point writing anything for dr who would feel like writing fanfiction, imo. it's in a unique position amongst television, only joined by things like star trek or other very long-running television programmes, as there's more similarities between a fanfiction and the actual stories due to the constant evolution and continuation by fresh writers of the programmes. I could be wrong, of course, and if I manage to find out I'll probably update with that knowledge lol
I love how what-if videos have suddenly become very popular in this community,I am not sure if force Dalek or whatever started on it.
This video inspires me! It is a thing of beauty.
There are so many times fan content trashes every smallest detail and second guesses every choice the writers made. They just trash the original creative work. In their imaginations, their version would be worshiped and held beyond criticism.
This happens so much that you start to see the whoniverse as a toxic cesspool of Galactic dimensions. You think, "I'll just buy the DVD's, enjoy the hell out of them and completely ignore and block anthing else".
But there are some pretty cool fans. Dr. Who means so much to so many different kinds of people that seeing it through their eyes is always insightful.
Anyway, you start with their creative work, accept it for what it is and go on to make your own creative and valuable content. And I think have a good intuition for how their perdonalities might develop. Well done!!!
As much as I loved Eccleston's portrayal of the Doctor.... I'm not sure I could have seen him pull off the meeting with Sarah Jane Smith with the same kind of giddy excitement that Tennant had. And that worked so well, I'm kind of glad things worked out as they did. Liz Sladen only had just so many years as that point.
Always found it interesting that rose absorbs the time vortex and then the doctor saves her and rose is completely fine afterwards (yes I know it would have killed her eventually if the doctor hadn't done something) but when the doctor absorbs it and then releases into the tardis even though he only had it for a few seconds it still causes enough damage to force him to regenerate
9th doctor will always be my favourite just because of how truly unique he feels compared to other doctors
I would’ve loved to see the 9th Doctor’s reaction to Micky activating the Genesis Ark.
If you do a Series 3 version, then you ought to do a realistic Series 4-6 with a different Tenth Doctor.
Eccleston is the "What If" of the entire Doctor Who Universe...Truly!
I think not much would change other than the doctors personality. But I’m kinda only thinking that he would leave with rose and have a 2 season run
Honestly the Ninth Doctor would remind Sarah Jane a lot of her Doctor, the Hinchcliffe Fourth Doctor. Both are very similar.
I'd love to see more videos like this for other doctors too :0
It was great! Looking forward to your S3.
what if christopher eccleston regenerated into matt smith
What are the worst things that happened in the show’s history?
1 Phillip Hinchcliffe, the brilliant young producer of the show whose creativity created a golden age of stories unceremoniously replaced by the inferior Graham Williams
2 John Nathan Turner being handed the reigns of the show and gradually turning it into a silly pantomime over the years.
3 The Paul McGann movie failing to pull in the viewers leaving fans without potentially an all time great Doctor for the 90s
4 Christopher Eccleston quitting.
A reasonable set of "what if" conclusions and theories.
All I know is that I was gutted that Christopher Eccleston only did one series. Eccleston is a brilliant actor and has been one of my favourites for a very long time (since he started to come to prominence in the early 90s I guess). I thought his interpretation of the Doctor was fantastic (ahem). For me, there was no settling in period; he was the Doctor instantly. I was absolutely glued to the screen whenever he was on, totally commanding it and the role.
I believed the PTSD, war-damaged Doctor completely and the redemption path that he was on. The moments of rage (e.g. meeting the Dalek in the episode of that name) or the sprks of hope that things mught just work out sometimes (e.g. when he was willing the nanogenes to figure things out and allow "eveyone [to] live, just this once" in The Doctor Dances - honestly, The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances is probably still my favourite new era story).
And that's not to dump on anyone who has followed him. The quality of actors who have taken the role since the show's resurrection is stellar. I just wanted more Christopher Eccleston than we got.
Roses relationship with the Doctor wasn’t unhealthy. She’d never leave the Doctor.
This is something I've often wondered and this vid was a good exploration, if unexpected at times!
I got serious Classic-Who vibes on the companion swapover 👍
I would have Chloe's mother speculate the strange goings on in Fear Her to be the doing of the ghosts alluding to Army of Ghosts
Wow! Nice What IF Video! I would very much like to see what happens next! :)
I'm imagining time crash with 9, and I think i love it
firstly, this is fantastic please do season 3! secondly, do you ever plan to continue the torchwood reviews? dying for your thoughts on coe!!
I'm late to the party, but thank you for sharing - that was cool!
Honestly, I LOVED the Doomsday ending you made. It would have been very meaningful, beautiful, and would have actually made Rose and Doctor relationship so much deeper. I wish we had writers like you, who would be really daring like this
Best 9th doctor stays idea I've seen 👏
Quite an insightful alternative to the series 2 we ended up getting.
With that in mind, however, I don't think I agree with Martha's ark in comparison to what we see in series 3. Despite her unfair treatment, it sets a purpose to not only the Doctor's flawed mindset on Rose, but it also challenges them both with their diametrically opposed perspectives.
As for Mickey, I do feel that he needed someone to get over Rose - and with a strong soul like Madam Pe Dompidor, (I no doubt butchered the correct spelling xD) it certainly gives the story a plot device to move things forward.
de Pompadour
Not sure it would work tbh, I think she liked the doctor for his intelligence and rizz whereas Mickey is more of an everyman character
So cool!!! Please do a part 2!!! xD
I don't think the ending to new earth would be darker just because it's 9 instead of 10. Incarnations of the doctor are alowlled to go through change and growth, in series one 9 definitely softens up by the end because of the connections he had with Rose and 10 even said Rose made him better. 12 became less angry and cold like 9, 10 got less happy I felt, and even 11 became less irratable, I think 9 showing Casandra compassion would show character growth for 9.
9s arc in series one to me is him finally letting himself heal his trauma from the time war and thus we get 10
Good speculative video. I'd wondered about this myself.
This is really, really good!
this makes me wish that Big Finish would make this into an audio series!
On a trivial note, I wonder what changes might have been made, if any, to the Ninth Doctor's costume if he stayed after Series One, as we have seen with other incarnations that the outfits have changed or updated during and after their first season to keep things fresh. In the Ninth Doctor's case, I think he would keep the same leather jacket, or possibly get a new one to show his journey of recovering from the Time War trauma, and he would use some of the jumpers from Series One again along with a few new jumpers in different colours, patterns and features like buttons, or styles like a turtle neck instead of a v-neck like the jumper Eccleston wore in his prototype costume.
I also wonder if the Ninth Doctor would keep his hair short or let it grow a bit longer, much like the Third, Sixth and Twelfth Doctors.
I think these are great ideas!
You touched on an interesting point.... IF any doctor appeared in Torchwood.. it'd be #9, (I think)
It sounded like such a fun series 2. A third series would be so exciting.
I hope you do season 3 I love all these what if videos that have been going around the starwars channels I'm so glad people have started them for doctor who as well
oh I'd love a continuation of this video. Ninth doctor in s3 and maybe even a video of if the 10th doctors first series was s4
I absolutely LOVE it when you re-order a series, however (and this is only from a technicality standpoint) I think they wouldn't have had 2 stories set purely in a hospital in the same series. Apart from that petty reason I'd love to see this actualised as a proper series. Maybe one day on a parallel Earth, eh?
Rose had memories of what happened on Bad Wolf because the Doctor told her.
I like when people give Mickey cool things to do. Mickey is not Noel Clarke.
I would LOVE to see multiple more parts of this! How it might've affected future casting and stories, etc.
I would pay so much money to see a parellel universe where Chris never left and we got something like this, hahaha
I feel like in the school episode with Sarah Jane, Nine wouldn't have replaced K-9 after the heroic sacrifice.
He was a little colder, a little darker, and I feel that his way of seeing some loss as simply collateral would mean he wouldn't gift a new model.
This could leave room for him to have cameoed after season 2 here, when he is healing, to bring that model to her.
I would love to see season 3 done, as I'm quite curious how you think the Titanic episode would have gone, given it once again has a romance subplot.
Jesus, I never realised she was 19 in Rose. Really puts their relationship in a bit of a worse light.
It pales into insignificance compared to Susan getting into a relationship with David Campbell when she was just over 16!
@@ftumschkand then her grandfather abandoning her with him even though they've barely met
@@ftumschkSusan had more that 16 years old.
@@mayotango1317In the serial "Marco Polo" she states that she is 16 years old, and also has an interesting relationship with the 16 year old princess she shared a bed with
@@ses694 Please, she is a Time Lady. Maybe she had 160 years old.