Openly Gay Teacher Accused of Doing the Unimaginable Thinks He's Getting Punk'd | Law & Order SVU
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- An openly gay teacher is accused of doing the unimaginable, and all of the evidence seems to match up.
Season 15, Episode 7 "Dissonant Voices": A four year old student makes claims of sexual abuse against a singing coach and popular TV personality who is at the height of his career. Benson uncovers evidence that condemns the star, who refuses to come clean.
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I remember this episode, the guy didn't do it. He was framed and had been telling the truth the entire time. The only one who actually believed him was rollins. His entire life was ruined by 2 little girls who were told the honest truth: they were not talented and they would be wasting their and everyone else time and they couldn't deal. Poor guy😢
You would think that these little brats would be arrested and sent to juvenile hall, or at least sued for defamation. But, the last time I checked, nothing happened to them and that guys life was ruined anyway. So much for woke culture.
@@travisgoonan7667 You're just salty that Trump got punished for molesting a teen girl. Though his good friend Michael Jackson walked without hurting for it. Trump did have Epstein silenced, though.
@@travisgoonan7667was it a real case?
@@travisgoonan7667This is exactly why women, especially teenagers are extremely dangerous because they can get angry for some stupid reason and then try to get even, but it backfires in the end. Now his career is over along with his life being completely shattered.
@@travisgoonan7667 my guy, it's a show and they're little kids. You're the real adult throwing a hissy fit here, calm down.
I remember this episode. These entitled, narcissistic teenagers set all of this up because he wouldn’t coach them for talent shows because they weren’t talented. Like I get being a little upset but to frame a man as a predator and ruin his life is ridiculous and evil. He was cleared but the damage was already done. He had no one on his side except Collins later. The allegations alone killed his career as a coach and a school teacher. It was horrible.
I remember wishing somehow these brats would get punished for what the did, and hated how the mom suddenly got super protective when there was a chance her kid could get in trouble
What ridiculuous teenage girls
@@ddthewolf
Yes, The daughter ruins an innocent man's life and suddenly its like "I will not allow my daughter to be punished for a crime that she committed!"
It's mind boggling. I was like "Hello Lady! Your daughter NEEDS to be punished!!"
This episode pissed me off more than anything
I remember a story where a girl claimed that one of her classmates raped her. What she didn't know was that the classmate was a girl as well, she just had a gender neutral name and is androgynous. The reason why she did it is because she lost to her in an art contest.
The fact that the teenage girl didnt get punished or sued at the end is horrific. People's livelyhoods arent a game!
Well you need evidence
@@SosukeAizen7594. she confessed. Did you watch the episode
@@identitywithheld2123 one did the other one didn’t like they said they couldn’t bring serious chargers unless one the girls testify against each other which they didn’t and they couldn’t put the boys on stand so they girls got was probation for a year
@@SosukeAizen7594. which is the reason the justice system is so messed up. When a victim recants their statement, the cops will assume they were coerced. But when they discover the truth, they can't do anything about it! What's the point?
Just for white people
Those who deliberately make false allegations to set people up and ruin their lives should face the same amount of prison time as those who actually commit the crimes they are being accused of
This is a rule of thumb in some countries. Really makes sure that people don't make false allegations.
The girls in this episode were old enough to come up with that plan that almost worked. They're more than capable of being tried as adults if this were real life.
Yes not to mention the electric chair or the gas chamber
Notice it's almost always a girl/woman who makes false claims about ppl which subsequently ruins reputations/careers and just lives in general.
I have been saying this forever. false accusation people get slaps on the wrist. it’s such bull
If there’s one thing Law and Order taught me, it's never speak to the police without your lawyer.
It turns out that him asking for his lawyer made the detectives suspect him more. As if wanting to protect yourself from these leading questions is a sign of guilt!
@@dtetv8499 blame the ones who abused using a lawyer as an excuse to get away from their crimes. Rotten apples ruins everything as you can see.
i actually got arrested for invoking my right to remain silent. dont answer their questions...straight to jail
@@Knell.talking to lawyers is the only way to get away from rotten cops tf are you on about
@@chrissilva4951 what about the other way around? It has been abused before from criminals. It is a double-edged sword.
I felt sorry for 3 people in this episode:
1.Jackie-for being falsely accused of being a pedophile.
2.Steven Allen-for false accusations made by his ex-wife so any legal settlements would fall in her favor.
3.The two young boys-being used by their own sisters to get revenge on Jackie all because they couldn't accept being dropped as they weren't talented
Kid says there is a tub in the bathroom.
Cop: I'm going to ignore this.
Feel sorry for Rollins too
@@daddywalker6133True, she was the only one who believed Jackie was innocent.
@@daddywalker6133YES! Came to the comments to say this. She was the only one that felt like something was off.
Well those girls will eventually get assaulted at some point in the future. And guess what? After what they did, no one would believe them. Hell I'd wager that people will laugh at them and call them crazy when something genuinely bad happens to them.
What really bothered me more than anything about this episode, was not just his life being ruined for nothing, but the fact that the one girl's mother, who did the same exact thing to her husband, doesn't believe her daughter did the exact same thing. Awful mother and awful daughter. It's sad how people like her and her friend don't comprehend that doing what they did, makes it hard for real victims to come forward.
How about destroying innocent people? How about that?
@@jeromemaida4933that's what they said
The fact that they wouldn't do anything to punish those girls and wouldn't help him clear is name made me understand why ppl kill for revenge
They only got one year's probation for misdemeanor obstruction
A sobering reminder that just because you're innocent of the crime you're accused of doesn't mean there won't be consequences.
Consequences for what?
@@thegreatselkie6009negative association. People tend to hear snippets of a story instead of the whole truth, hence why if he is cleared, not everyone will fully exonerate him.
@@thegreatselkie6009 same way some men are still shunned are assume guilty, even if they're cleared of all charges and proven innocent in court. Take a look at the cases where female college students accuse male students of assault, and weeks/months later the female college student comes out and say they lied. The man's life is forever ruined, and the woman still gets away with it.
@@johnsoapmactavish9921 you’re right, it’s horrible. The truth remains, however, that far more women’s lives are ruined by sexual assault. It’s the number one underreported crime in the country.
@@thegreatselkie6009 what exactly is the solution to these sorta problems?
You know what really pissed me off? When Olivia asked Jackie why he was still teaching preschoolers because he was on that show. Because he's a man and he likes teaching kids he was automatically a predator. She wouldn't have asked him that if he was a woman.
Right? Seems like gender equality is not a 2-way street. Even at the end of the episode when they apologized, he did not accept it because the damage was done.
It's simple. It's called sexism and female privilege. Something a lot of modern people like to neglect.
Men have more history of being predatory towards children so calm down.
@@o.m9514 by your logic, because certain populations by gender have a history of doing something more, then it’s okay to assume. Let me use your “logic”, more black people in the US commit crimes, and historically. It’s okay for me to assume a black person in public is a criminal. Am I racist or prejudice for thinking like that. Go ahead and answer
By your assertion, are all men guilty? @@o.m9514
The actor portrays such a nice teacher too, the character is so kind hearted and so gentle, he doesn't raise expectations for little kids and just wants them to have fun but he is so proud of his students when they achieve their dreams. Cannot believe those teenagers would tarnish such a kind character.
olivia and amaro lost my respect after this episode. not once did they believe him and they wouldn’t even listen to him. and the way they tried to justify their actions at the end really disgusted me. rollins was absolutely great in this episode. she knew from the beginning that something was off about this case. she was the one who said that they were pushing it to hard but they wouldn’t even listen to her. she was the only one who had true remorse for jackie. olivia and amaro should have been the ones to apologize in the end, not rollins.
also what she said in the end of the episode was gold. “you guys can keep telling yourselves whatever you want, this didn’t have to happen.” PERIOD.
A lawyer told me once : The police believe everyone they arrest is guilty. I have never forgotten that.
I mean ngl these were kids they were talking too 😔🙏 at the time who wouldn't believe them 😑 over a music teenager in general 🎵🎶 it's not just about him being gay they do that to straight men straight guys all the time too so I actually really don't blame them they were kind of doing their jobs 😔
side note: Whereas Rollins was just rubbing it on their faces 👀😈 as usual you won okay you were right no need to brag about it I guess 😁😉 lmaooo I can't stand her sometimes.
I don’t agree with Rollins much but she was spot on during this ep.
@@TB91178 they all should have listened to her
The fault here was not Olivia's, but the two girls who manipulated those children into lying and accusing the teacher.
Since the people who accused him were children, that's why they didn't hesitate and it wasn't one, there were more.
Also, she was not yet a captain at the time she was cragen.
There was also a similar case, in season 6, remember? The guy was straight and the girl who was her niece had accused him of raping her, so Elliot Segado accused him and wanted to hit the guy's wife because she defended him and ended up being innocent too
I really feel like there needs to be a follow-up episode, where the criminals and the biased members (especially Olivia) must face SOME consequences for how badly they screwed over this innocent man's life.
It would be a great idea, but probably won't happen since these characters rarely see a comeuppance for what they did to innocent people. I mean, look at how Benson and Stabler actually accused and destroyed some of the suspects' lives only for those suspects to be proven innocent later and then get killed off. the characters get away with a lot of stuff that should not be tolerated.
They have haven't they been suspended or called to sit out on cases 😠😞 and why must it only be Olivia 🤬 she wasn't the only one who was agreeing that way or thinking that way amaro and even probably fin and cragen were thinking the same thing!!! But of course she was doing the most so I agree 😁🤗
Rarely are Benson and her squad forced to face the consequences of their mistakes.
OMG it could be called Law and Order: Appellate Court😮
AGREED
The real messed up part is that because the two girls are minors the case will probably be sealed, so even if someone looks up Jackie's case all they're see is that he was accused of pedophile
Even if he was found not guilty, or despite being dismissed of the charges yeah it’s going to haunt him all his life. I honestly don’t blame this guy for being pissed off. The last thing he says his I’ve never teaching again. You ruined my career my life. Everybody now thinks of me as a pedophile, even though I never did anything. I mean yeah those two girls what they did was disgusting. I mean the couch their brothers to say what he did that’s just wrong. They’re only getting one year probation. That’s all they’re getting not getting anything else. If I was ever accused of something like this and it was all out in the media, then of course new evidence showing that I didn’t do anything along with being found not guilty. I’m still gonna be judged all my life. That’s the most disturbing part as humans we tend to be very judging in so many ways. I mean even though I get cleared it just doesn’t go away. It’s a lot to literally take in. It’s unforgivable what those girls did was disgusting
@@monkeycat48can you get someone to edit your unintelligible ramblings before you post them, please? Thanks
I had no problem understanding them@bernardsoul5186 are you sure you're ok I mean it's been proven that if you have a average iq your brain can fill in the blanks😅
@@bernardsoul5186 Can you get someone to think for you before posting your thoughts, please? Thanks.
@@iLikeMyOwnPosts can you travel back in time and get your mom to abort you? Thanks.
I feel so sorry this man. He was accused of harming this young boy, when in facted it was the two girls lying about the whole thing and I was amazed that they didn't get arrested for lying and ruining this man's career. This young girls should be ashamed of them selves.
This episode made me mad. It was obvious from the beginning he was innocent. But the cops were only focused on getting an arrest. Destroying his reputation in the process
It gives them a high, that's why they want that arrest. They like the power.
@@vinnyc.1265And keep in mind, Olivia was still dealing with her situation with William Lewis, so she wasn't thinking clearly.
If I were him would sue these demon children and the police!! This was such an emotional episode. 😤😤
But why? They are just stupid teenage girls who didn't understand what they were doing because their brains aren't developed!!! Instead sue the parents, and while he's at it, sue the little boy! But never sue the stupid teenage girls, because that would be wrong somehow!
That's what idiots who unconditionally coddle stupid teenage girls would say.
Can you even sue kids?
@@Cheeeseyboi No, but you can sue their parents. As a parent, you're legally responsible for the actions of your minor kids, just like you're legally responsible for the actions of your pets.
@@JaBaiter yea that sounds about right
@@JaBaiterI think they also should take the younger kids away from their parents. After all, the girls got the idea from the vindictive, divorced mother.
After seeing this clip, I decided to go to hulu to watch the whole episode. Right after this clip ends, Jackie asks for a lawyer and the cops have a conversation about how him asking for a lawyer is a clear sign of guilt. Do cops really think this? They were deliberately trying to lead him into confessing. They weren't asking clarifying questions, they were asking him questions deliberately meant to trap him into a confession of guilt. Why wouldn't he want a lawyer? I also remember another episode from way back in the day where a man suspected of murder DIDN'T ask for a lawyer for initial questioning which made the detectives think of him as an unlikely suspect only to find out later on he was the killer. Calling your lawyer vs not calling one doesn't seem like an accurate way to measure guilt to me.
I agree. While it is realistic, because detectives will often reach far and wide for reasons to enhance their suspicions, it is irresponsible for the show to show that, because now viewers of this show are more likely not to lawyer up when questioned by police in order to appear leas guilty
Yes, it’s a deliberate propaganda tactic used in several American cop shows to train the public into thinking that if you ask for a lawyer you are automatically guilty.
oh this is the truth everywhere... when it's not through worst manners
The whole point of bias and prejudice is that it doesn’t require the work of critical thinking to judge everyone as an individual.
It's a great way to pretend like it gives leverage that isn't really there. Don't forget cops can legally lie to you. That's all you need to know. With lies they can make anyone seem like a confessed serial killer.
This case would easily be dismissed if the school had security cameras. Cams would be able to spot the teacher alone with a child and would definitely watch anyone going into bathrooms lol. How do you not have security cams in a school?
Price... and school boards tend to be really cheap.
We had them at my middle school. Very useful
@@GladDestrongerit was a prep school, the dialogue in this very video made it very clear the school served rich families, pay attention
Plot convenience
@@bernardsoul5186ding ding ding. It would honestly be cool to watch an episode that's just a bunch of open and shut cases, more like real life
This reminds me of a case from way back where a gentleman was accused by his stepdaughter of molesting her. the stepdaughter then swore under oath that it truly happened. The stepfather was sent to prison for many years, with one of the few people believing him being his wife. It was only sometime later that the stepdaughter confessed that she had made the whole thing up to get his attention, destroying a man's reputation for her selfish desires. To this day, the stepfather and his wife have barely any contact with their child who disrupted the man's life.
Where can this case that you mentioned be found?
thats horrible, i hope the wife and father are okay after all that
The one thing I like about episodes like this is that it openly points out the ridiculousness & stupidity the notion that we must believe what victims say 100% of the time.
I’m not saying cops should dismiss victims. But to just take it with a grain of salt & actually investigate w/o believing that all suspects are automatically guilty.
Exactly!
I’m 100% pro believe voting, but more like take every victim seriously and less assume everyone is guilty.
I think the phrase has been bastardized by people who don’t want good faith discussion.
You have a right to have your claim investigated. You do NOT have a right to be 100% believed.
i agree
I remember a TH-camr who talked about this (MysteriousMrEnter). He said innocent until proven guilty goes both ways. It meant that you don't assume the accused is guilty unless you have proof but you don't also assume the accuser is vindictive for the same reason. He also raised upa good suggestion and that is keep the accused's identity hidden from the public until guilt can be determined when dealing with these type of cases. That way if the accused is innocent, the stink is easier to get rid of.
This episode was absolutely infuriating! Two teenage girls who couldn’t accept that they were not talented set up the teacher and ruined his life. To add insult to injury, the girls were NEVER punished and faced ZERO consequences for their cruelty.
Why did the little kid say that then ?
@@MukbangMondayscoached by his older sister. Young kids are easily manipulated.
@janjr165 it was mainly Brooke who couldn't accept that.
I’ve been in this teachers shoes, falsely accused. I had the evidence to prove the two teen girls were lying. But they did keep saying it. It broke my life for a year.
Can you please elaborate on what happened or if it sounds too uncomfortable because of how much it hurt you don’t need to explain it anything
Me too man. I was blessed to have evidence the admin was retaliating for me reporting them on an employee issue, but it still hurt. Never working in this type of system again. And everyone keeps getting suprised when people get tf out of the field or when people are apathetic to the shøøtings.
Reminds me of the case of Bernard Banan. Who was a gay teenager who worked at a daycare and was wrongly accused of molestation. Unfortunately he spent 15 year in prison before finally being released. Then Unfortunately died you only a few years later.
Oh My God 😢
15 years later? 🤬🤬
reminds me a lot of the McMartin preschool trial from the 1980s, where the school was accused of child abuse and satanism by one of the parents who turned out to be an paranoid schitzophrenic and alcoholic. The kids interviewed about the allegations couldn't understand what they were being asked so they ended up making up stories that they thought the detectives wanted them to tell.
Yes, very much McMartin vibe!
Also the case of Bernard Baran who was a gay teenager who worked at a daycare and was wrongly convicted.
here in my nation we had a similar case, the Escola Base (Base School). It was a school in São Paulo that had their owners (an at the time mid-aged couple) accused of molesting kids.
They were innocent, but went bankrupt and never had their lives being normal again.
To add to it, they were a brazilian-japanese couple, Mr. and Mrs. Shimada. The japanese are very known as people with a high regard for education.
This episode IMO highlighted one of my biggest issues about this show, in that once the squad zero in on a suspect there's often a presumption of guilt and they frame the evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) to support their chosen narrative. They main characters, especially Olivia and Stabler when he was still there, are arguably even worse than McCoy when it comes to letting their biases and prejudices influence the case. Only Rollins attempted to approach this case with any sense of objectivity and felt genuine remorse at the end.
The main characters of SVU are often grossly incompetent or out right corrupt, but the show still tries to brush it off as okay because "they mean well"
This is the one episode I was really disappointed in the detectives. They were the true villains in this one. Especially Olivia; she was so stubborn and ridiculous. They and the two girls ruined an innocent man's life. Rollins knew he was innocent.
@@brantfrans8595 I agree, not just Olivia who was being ridiculous, but Amaro as well
Benson and Amaro were completely ruthless in this episode, thank God Elliot wasn't on SVU at the time. Otherwise this would go from bad to worst.
Rollins was the only careful one pretty much
@@joshuagonzalez5752very much so. Benson lets her past trauma justify her poor judgment about men.
Ughhh all they had to do was wait! Rollins said it herself before she left the office; he's an OPENLY gay black male celebrity and music teacher that kind of accusation can ruin lives. He had no idea who they were or why they were there, what harm would standing outside the room and waiting till he finishes his conversation with the parent in the room have done? Both wearing jackets, and no weapons or badges were visible he had ZERO reasons to suspect anything. At best you look like two parents interviewing with the school waiting to meet the famous teacher, at worst you look like cops he does something shady to look guilty and then you have PC...I would've waited, and then no rumors would've spread.
Based on the comments, there is a reason why guilt needs to be established. I’m a straight male teacher (HS), and I often worry about how I am perceived because we live in a world were anyone can say anything and my life would be ruined. It wouldn’t even have to be true.
Of course, kids must be protected. I am very protective of my students because I treat them like my own kids! I would wish for anyone who wants to do them harm to meet with misfortune. But I am aware that all it takes is one little girl who hates that I failed her to go and complain that I touched her as revenge. That is why these cases must always been treated delicately and privately until guilt has been established.
why are you assuming only a girl would do this?
@dykesmcgee3136 He probably just said girl since hes straight. Like how the show showed a boy accusing a gay man.
I know what you mean. All it takes is for a child to say something was done to them and automatically people believe it, including the police. And before the police investigate anything, they will turn it loose to the news media. I saw this happen to a guy once. The investigating officer spent more time tormenting the guy rather than do his job and investigate. He tried numerous times to get the guy to confess. The case went to court and the guy was found not guilty. The investigating officer didn’t even show up for the trial. The kid and kid’s family were found to have lied about everything. The man that was accused lost his job, his home (because someone felt the need to burn him and his family out), and his kids were ridiculed and bullied by other kids. All of that because some little punk lied.
@@dykesmcgee3136 They didn’t say they think only a girl would do it, but a girl would be the most likely to. Male victims don’t often come forward as is, so a male false accuser is even less likely.
@@pathetic2399 i’m trying to point out the obvious sexism in the comment. the fear mongering over women and girls making false accusations is textbook misogyny.
one of the best episodes in my opinion really Highlights how petty and vain some people can be and how just an accusation of a crime can ruin things for a person.
I liked when Olivia has the empathy to help that little boy by showing her his coloring abilities that he has not only for coloring but also for music. Music is part of my life.
Too bad it ends with finding out that the boys were coached by their sisters to say that all this to get revenge on him for dropping them from any talent, considering they didn’t have it. He wasn’t doing it to be mean he just knew they didn’t have it in them. Of course in the end it doesn’t matter what happened he’s gonna stick with him for all his life. He’s been accused of pedophilia. He never even did not only that, but he can’t even go back to teaching anymore. Even if they offered to help, it’s like you already ruined my life nobody wants me near their children even if I was found innocent, it doesn’t matter. I mean yeah I get this guy to be really pissed off in the end. No apology is going to ever work. What’s done is done.
I remember this episode. This why a lot of dudes, gay and straight, don't wanna work in schools with children. the risk is way too high of some kid getting a grudge and destroying your life on a whim...
Huh. I never knew that. Is that why there's a lot more female teachers and staff members?
@@adryenhall9667McMartin Preschool was the get out of Dodge moment for a lot of men educators.
This is one of the ultimate cases of the paradox of Child witness unreliability, usually in other media the issue is that a 'Kid' saw something incriminating but because he's underage his testimony is faulty and the suspects either have nothing on them or worse get off free. But this shows the reality of the worst case scenarios, kids are pure and cruel.
They can be manipulated easily, they believe what they WANT to believe, they can mistake someone they don't like for someone evil.
testimony from a child can really only be used as guide, not hard evidence because of this
I swear, I only clicked this cuz I saw the thumbnail and was like: "OMG IT'S PRAY TELL!!" 🤣
I remember this episode and praying he didn’t do anything and when I found out he got set up my mom and where screaming at our tv “I knew it I knew it”
I really hate it when they are told lies and it really ruins the person's life!!!! Everything I see something like this it passes me off cause when I was a kid and tried to tell someone that I was being abused Noone believed me and just like the innocent guy Noone will believe him!!!!!!
A black man being accused of course benson doesn’t believe him
Exactly 😂 People never mention her prejudice attitude but that's a different story for a different time.
Oh yeah. That one episode with that Karen.
Has more to do with him being a man than being black. Benson has more than a little misandry in her world-view.
@@xaviervega468 I was gonna say. They wrote Olivia being pretty cold to male victims quite a bit. The one episode where they find a murdered girl who was pregnant at the time of her death and she immediately started pointing fingers at the boyfriend. The boyfriend was innocent and devestated by her death and all of the events and it was Elliott who gave the boy compassion and care.
@@xaviervega468 Not sure if I agree, there was one episode (I can't remember the name now) where Benson was very sympathetic towards a man who was assaulted by his probation officer, even while others (including other men) were doubting him and not taking it seriously.
This is why presumption of innocence is vital to the justice system.
Amaro and Benson had already concluded that Jackie was guilty and weren’t willing to listen to what he had to say.
Usually I’m not big into cop procedurals (it’s copaganda), but this episode was very well written and acted
sometimes L&O is one of the least copaganda shows out there. this was one of the times
Thats the thing about our current culture. We tell everyone they're great and special even when they aren’t and when someone finally tells them the truth they just cant handle it or they get "offended" and cancel them.
Those two were entitled girls who were never told "No" before until that moment and they could not stand it.
There is a comic here in my nation of a guy that is really ugly, and he says "everyone says I'm ugly, but at least my mom thinks I'm handsome" to which the mother responds "your a**"
People need to get that more I guess?
@@FrankWolenczak it's time for the people in society with common sense to start putting on the pants and telling people like it is. We need to start, as the great three dog says "bringing you the truth no matter how bad it hurts".
Olivia was absolutely cold in this episode to him.
Yeah😊👍 I get it I agree but who wouldn't believe some kids at the time after their disclosure and some teenagers over a music 🎵🎶 teacher to begin with at the time I guess but yeah I have to agree she was 👍💯
Sometimes Olivia was biased. There are times she believed a lying victim and other times she doubted a victim telling the truth. She put me off the show after a while.
Can't really blame her that much after her ordeal with William Lewis, the dangerous criminal in the entire L&O franchise.
@@thebestofdeadoralivedoa2005doesn't matter, just because of her past experience of being sexually assaulted doesn't mean she can use that as leverage or justification for her attitude, bias, and poor judgment about men.
The music teacher is one of my favorite actors. Hes hilarious in EVERYTHING, except this ofc
Hope he got a huge lawsuit he hit them with for been so stupid and judgemental
Yeah! I wanna see an episode like that. I mean they did it with that guy who was accused by the Karen. Why can’t they do one for Jackie?
@@rockyjmoon3 very very very good point I'm watching this episode right now on peacock
I’ve experienced this with a child who lied that shouted on him when what I did was the exact opposite. Now as a medical Doctor who has training in child development you tend to find that some children like adults make up stuff & it’s not nice
I remember when I watched this episode the first time, the teachers reaction was extreme shock…so I was like, yeah he’s innocent!! It was a fun episode trying to guess what happened. Sad this kind of thing happens in real life…heartbreaking. 💔
I remember this episode i always hated there was no consequence for those girls who lied and ruined that teacher's life but it was realistic people don't always get justice
Lying. Baring false witness can lead to all sorts of evil lying to save a life is one thing lying that destroys another person's life reputation and and lively hood is pure evil
Lying is lying.
Probably the only time Rollins had a speck of intuition the entire series.
Edit: These two kids are all cap
Those girls did an amazing job of lying, and so did the little boy. Jonah really kept things consistent.
Jackie is right. Benson and Amaro aren't listening to anything Jackie is saying. Every answer he's giving them, they're trying to debunk. They, especially Benson, don't believe he's guilty, they WANT him to be guilty.
It seems to me that a simple dusting for fingerprints would likely corroborate his innocence or expose his guilt.
If he is guilty, his fingerprints would likely be on the "magic egg"--which he said he knew nothing about, therefore he would never have touched.
If he is innocent, his fingerprints would be absent from the egg--it would be unlikely that he would wipe them off.
Also, any other fingerprints on the egg would point to who is involved in the framing.
Fingerprints and DNA
To be honest, something I would have liked to see is the detectives destroying their own reputation in an attempt to try to restore the teacher's.
As a gay man myself, I’m heartened to see shows like this that flip the tables on the gay groomer narrative and stereotype.
You mean fictional propaganda?
@@majorrager3353it happens in real life as well.
@@majorrager3353it probably happens slightly more often in those cases but for the same reasons priests or monks are known to do it
celibacy
The irony being everyone knows how to make a false accusation accurately and convincingly by watching SVU
That's Billy Porter as the teacher,he's an amazing actor.
A little golden rule to any guy that has aspirations of being a teacher:
*Always be careful*
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I recall this episode. All of the cops (except Rollins and somewhat Fin) and attorneys involved were super trash because they presumed him guilty until being proved innocent
That's how it is in the system when it comes to men-Guilty until proven innocent, but when it turns out they're innocent, "we were just doing our job", "mistakes happen", or in fact, those innocent men still remain in prison.
It curls me up when people say "kids don't lie" - like this episode has child actors who have learned lines for a TV show. I know that's not lying per se - but kids can be coached to say lines.
Nobody is saying that 😂
I don’t like how they make the son in the beginning look so sincere. I know it’s for drama and effect, but given that this man was innocent and the kid was lying, there’s zero shot he’d be that sincere and appear so honest under these circumstances. You can tell when a child that age is lying, and this paints a pretty grey image of false claims.
I hate this episode because I know the feeling all too well but in my case it was something very little. Something that was not a big deal and bam all of a sudden you are a predator. That is what happened to me.
Really sad part of this episode: dude's life is completely ruined because he told 2 talentless girls he was teaching they wouldn't make it in the business, so they coached their little brothers to make up the story, and then they get a slap on the wrist with a year of probation. Happens all the time, women in US lie about sexual assault, best case scenario they get busted and face no charges or wrist slaps while the guy's life is ruined, worst case scenario their lie gets an innocent guy locked up.
Or killed
a man is more likely to be raped himself than he is to be falsely accused. it does NOT happen “all the time.”
Yet if a man does it... he's like a lamb to slaughter. No mercy.
The mother of one of the girls is no different from her daughter, she play the court system to make her ex-husband look like a terrible man to get the kids. Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
Women rarely lie about Sexual Assault. It’s actually pretty rare.
When ppl lie about things like this; they should serve time.
Agreed, but won't happen because those girls got the complexion for protection. 🙄
That blond haired cop had a point.
When someone from a minority is accused of a heinous crime it spirals. Innocent or guilty the community will have a stain that just never goes away.
Not just minority. A white male teacher has that same problem.
@@shadowscall7758Most white male teachers can go somewhere else and get a job.
when it comes to that kind of crime, anyone from any social group gets f'd up
Yeah that guy was definitely framed, I hate when that happens to innocent people!
The episode was crazy just really crazy
I saw the episode not long ago again.
I really felt they could have done a more private investigation.
And Benson and Amaro should have at least given an apology.
This is why you don't believe everything someone tells you. I know what people are going to say "But kids would never lie about something like that.", please, don't get it twisted, everyone lies. Even children.
Yeah, you need to investigate situations before condemning the wrong people.
Olivia only listens to herself on cases like these cause of her past and trauma she often judges people too quickly with little investigation she need a break from being in the suv especially with her issues
I’m sorry, but Benson and Amaro got me mad in this episode when interrogating Jackie without giving him a chance to speak and tell his side of the story. Just because you’re Detectives doesn’t mean you should be abusing that power when questioning someone
This show is a skip imo. Too much nonsense meant to provoke people.
The timing on him kissing that girl on the head at the beginning was diabolical. Perfect.
Hahaah
This broke me the ending where he nearly broke down those girls destroyed him an got no punishment
Yeah I saw tears in his eyes.
He's a famous voice coach working at a private school and he talked to the cops about the possibility of being a predator... and HE DIDN'T HAVE HIS LAWYER?
Nobody wins everyone basically loses.
I absolutely loved this episode! The ending was so sad although his innocence was proven.
This episode was So Hard to say. You just knew he was innocent.😞
You’d think with how many mistaken arrests they go after they’d be less smug and shitty to every single person they talk to.
Billy porter. Amazing talent
He was in a Cinderella that just blew apart the universe! A magnificent performer, with a firm grasp on how to wear FABULOUS clothes!
The fact that he didn't even do it is saddening. She got a friend in on it too to say that he touched them when they were children. Such a horrible accusation
How many case have Olivia had worked on? She was too quick to believe those brats !
Those brats were kids 😢😮 who wouldn't believe them at the time I guess unless you're talking about those teenage girls I'm not sure 😊😁 then yeah I agree 👍💯
@@alexandraanderson3988 I am talking about those two teenagers..
This episode spoke to me seriously i used it in reference to a reddit story i heard on TH-cam so sad peoples lives are been messed up by lies
This episode in a nutshell: Guilty until proven innocent
It was this episode that made me despise the main characters. Guy was telling the truth the entire time, nobody listened and treated him as a monster. But when the truth was revealed, the main detective practically going "oh yeah, sorry bout that" while his life is destroyed
A simple apology is not good enough to know the wrong that they have committed.
followed him to the bathroom and edged him??
edge ya later bros.
What is the episode of this?
This episode was messed up like the teacher didn’t even do the girls had him framed and ruined his career
Do all Americans just have a lawyer on hand?
Hey, it's not just America - I THINK in most countries, either you have a lawyer or if you don't, the court is required to provide one for you.
Someone spoil it, whos guilty?
Not the teacher
Come to find out 2 girls who were made at the teacher coached the boy to lie :(. The teacher was innocent-the girls were pissed he told them they didn’t have enough talent.
The sister, Brooke. She got really mad that she was rejected from the show so she came up this scheme to get back at him. What’s really sad is even though he’s proven innocent, his career is over
The older sister and her friend coached their little brothers to lie, in order to get the teacher in trouble, because one of them "had been told her whole life that she was going o be a star", but then the teacher dropped her as a student in favour of someone else. So in revenge she ruined his whole life
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The sister convinced him to make it up because the teacher turned her down for a solo or performance. The charges are dropped, but Jackie's career and life are ruined.
Reminded me of the movie The Hunt.
It's very scary to know if someone is framed like this in real life are trapped by law forever.
While real victims never get justice.
Poor Mr. Jacky.
Brooke and Rachel did it to coach their brothers, saying that they were molested by Mr. Jackie. But in reality, he dropped them before he started his tv show American Diva. Saying they had no talent, and they did it to get back at him. His name is tarnished forever. The girls got a plea deal with one year probation.
This episode aged well as this episode came a few years before gay teachers were accused of gr00ming children.
Lately is women teachers going after 12 year old boys.
I remember watching this episode new. They were so eager to seize this man's whole life and he didn't do anything. It might just be a show but this kinda guilty until proven innocent thing happens way too much.
How did the girls get the boy to say this?
they coached him
@@tedd-ivan but why did he do it
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Because the girls wanted to get back at the teacher for rejecting their singing. And he didn’t think they were talented enough. So, yeah. They’re narcissistic, spoiled brats. Not the boy, but his sister and her friend.
I knew already that no tv show could possibly make a gay person the villain
So predictable, the cops didn’t even consider it
Ahs is filled to the rim with gay villains.
Dude, could someone help me?..Punk'd : what is the meaning of 'd ?Thanks in advance.
It was an Aston Kutcher show where he played pranks on his friends at the end he would always say “you got punk’d”
This is one of the most upsetting episodes.
This episode still pisses me off they screwed up on a teacher's career
It’s crazy how they all got played by two teenage girls
Where these kids learn to lie 😢
Have you ever seen the episode?
The parents usually 🤦♀️
I assumed it was the daughter trying to get the parents back together by creating a common enemy.
No the girl is just as selfish n petty as her mother