"you had some pretty strong feelings about my client's guilt the moment you met her." no, i had some pretty strong feelings about her guilt the moment her daughter described forcing one of her children to ingest soapy water to the point she was vomiting and losing consciousness.
Judges like this are why so many people don't trust the justice system. Letting their own personal views be what conducts their rulings. Letting guilty people walk and innocent people rot behind bars. Makes me sick. I'm happy that they focused on that in this episode.
People like these exist in positions of power is not because of honest means. They have people backing them in their climb to power and displace the truly honest people through shady methods...
@@bananacathammock He let a woman off knowing that she was unstable and that the child wasn't safe, but she was rich and well-known so he thought that they were and I quote "good people", and he sent another mom to prison for ten years for her baby girl's death which turned out to be a complete accident but she was a wh*re (his words, not mine) so that made her a bad mother apparently.
Yeah people complain the police don't want to take action but how frustrating when good cops actually try to and DA's & judges just throw all their work to the wind. And we elect these DA's and the people who appoint these judges. Trust no one!
This episode was fantastic. The most horrifying part was not that the judge acquitted her not because he believed her innocence, but that she was such a good stereotype that he simply EXCUSED her. Then he advises her to do away with the sick girl. That “””mother””” is a disgrace
What makes me mad is that the Aunt and sister were honest and stood up for that little girl without hesitating and the investigators went above and beyond to bring justice to them. Then judge just sat there, unapologetically defending a LITERAL MURDERER and letting her walk free. So, if she gets mad at her other daughter for confessing what she saw and decides to kill her too...we'll just blame the cat or something... we may as well since irrelevant observations are much more convincing than direct proof... So glad the judge got arrested, but the mom needs a life sentence more than anyone else in this situation.
She DID kill her other daughter after and the judge was arrested bc he suggested it her. So there was justice in the end but it’s sad two little girls died
he was briefly arrested and let loose by another judge. he got moved to family court (like thats any better) when his biases became public knowledge and the courts were forced to act.
@@dershaymcdonald5409did she killed 2 kids? For what i understand it was just one, Alexis, the first time she poisoned her but the kid survived with brain damage so the second time she suffocated the kid and she died that way
"Your honor, you know the law says we *can* arrest you in your own home." Can, not can't. It's why the next sentence is about giving the judge the option of making a big scene: arresting him in his own home in front of all his guests.
There is no law for that. I suspect it was used as an excuse to say the next line about making a scene in front of the judge's guests. It's obvious he's big on appearances if he's having a huge fancy party like that in his house. Thus he wouldn't want a scene made in front of them. But there is no law about arresting a judge in his home. The US Constitution states that all [men] are equal under God. Thus no matter who it is, the same rules applies to everyone. Of course, recent events have changed that particular thinking but this episode was done long before all of that. There are a lot of people looking at the US and wondering how they can blatantly ignore their own laws. But no, there is no such law as this.
I feel bad for the dad. He believed his wife's innocence and trusted her with his kids, including Alexis. To come home to see Alexis dead and his wife in cuffs again must've taken the ground right from under him. Poor Alexis didn't deserve to die. She shouldn't have died or have been in danger to begin with. The woman had to have been sick in the head to claim to love her child and yet so easily put her daughter in serious danger (to kill her, even).
What’s more gut wrenching is that dad wants to bring Alexis back the wife says yes but she couldn’t say no or it seem suspicious that she really mean to kill her
@@luislovera2351 But she said she didn't want to being her back home when she had the perfect opportunity to leave her now brain-damaged child in a nursing home.
She was adopted ergo in this sick woman's mind she wasn't hers. This is why my country doesn't allow foreigners to adopt children because once they are out of the country they can't be protected.
@@luislovera2351 But that would've been too much for them to handle considering she was already brain-damaged as a result of the mother poisoning her! 😔
@@Octodactylpus I know that they're one and the same. But if I'm getting slapped with a contempt charge I'd point that I have respect for the court,just contempt for the judge.
@@curtisberard7831I think that's what some people call "jesuitical thinking", or maybe " dancing on the head of a pin". A Judge won't make that distinction I fear. At least, that was my experience, when a Judge found me guilty of contempt. I had 3 days in prison to think about my impertinence!
@@nascarfanatic2425 - Criminal facilitation in the second degree. He enabled the mother to kill her daughter. Even though he never met the daughter at all, he is just as guilty as the mother herself for causing her death. There were two other episodes I know of in SVU where facilitating a murder was used: The episode involving the child beauty pageants and the episode Home.
@@Aggression-hc3yp Was home the episode where that rich business tycoon got away with raping and murdering a girl years ago and framed an innocent man to take the fall, and then he committed the same crime years later, but then got shot and killed by an outraged old man, and so his lawyer was arrested for facilitating the murders?
@@lolibop96 There's always been disgraceful people in positions of authority for years. It's not exclusive to 2024. There are good people in there as well, though.
If I remember correctly, he spoke to her later and told her to get help and not do it again. She ends up killing and the judge is at fault. They found out that he made a mistakes with the antifreeze mother. They get that mom out and get judge off the stand
I would say I've seen worse. The episode with Barbara who was defending the girl who got raped but allowed the rapists to walk free on some technicality or whatever. I forgot most of it cause it was really terrible and the girl at the end said she was made to be used and it ended with her about to be gang banged by like 10 40 year old men and she was like 22 ish
“These judges who think cops strong arms witnesses in order to make their case.” - Man who has done that, multiple times, to people who turned out to be innocent
tbh he's probably getting payouts from the prison system. he lets her off on the child abuse charges then tells her to murder her child so she'll be locked up for even longer, which means more profit for the prison and a bigger cut for him. there was a real life case of a judge that was doling out extreme sentences and was found to be profiting from it.
@@dietotakuthat sounds very ‘small town’ to me. The mom probably made up the judge saying that as when would a judge see a defendant ex parte after their trial has ended? I hope they got the glycol poisoning lady released from prison. Not allowing that expert got her convicted.
Why didn't he just say "yes, that was after her daughter described her forcing her other daughter to drink soapy water until she started vomiting and fell unconscious"? You're allowed to believe the suspect is guilty after you hear the evidence of their guilt.
The defense would have objected, and the judge likely would have agreed, bc witnesses are meant to answer questions as specifically as possible, not shoe-horn in their opinions or details that a lawyer didn’t ask for. Which would have been worse for the prosecution, since it could lead to the judge striking that evidence from the case all together. I know its part of Stabler’s character, but he was in the wrong in this instance. Also, I don’t think the child he was interviewing had an adult present during the time of the interview- huge no-no when you’re interviewing children as witnesses, unless the parent/guardian gives consent to the officer. Maybe that was shown in the episode but not this clip.
@@dietotaku I think that might have been an apartment building or something rather than a single house. But I've heard them say that on this show and others set in New York.
@dietotaku I looked it up. There is a SCOTUS decision that makes it illegal to arrest someone in their own home without an arrest warrant. If they have an arrest warrant, then they can arrest them in their home.
Casey wanted to have him arrested and sent to prison for murder facilitation but the presiding judge threw the case out and he reprimanded her for that.
Not another child. It was the same adopted child she poisoned and gave her brain damage. This was because the judge had an ex parte chat with her during her first trial where he implied the child was better off dead.
My adoptive mother was Lways doing stuff like this,she made herself out to be my rescuer from foster homes, and the children's home,she hit me shut doors on my fingers,bit me,a couple of times she was supposed to put a suppository inside me,she at first put it in my uteter(meatus), vs the vagina.I remember the pain.I was underdeveloped,but because we lived on a farm it was considered i was getting nutrition i needed.As a teenager,they found out I had very low iron in my blood.She had the same happen when she was a child.Adoptive parents need to be monitored as well.
I am so sorry this happened to u! My best friend was adopted at 9mos and was abused physically and sexually by his adoptive mom til he was 12 and cld fight back
One of the only episodes that had great closure. Despite the death of that poor girl alot of times when the perpetrator isn't a high position of power like this they tend to get away from the consequences
Being unable to have children myself, I feel absolutely sick when parents abuse their children. So many people, for whatever reason, can't have kids. It's not fair that they can't, when complete monsters can.
@@virg0_lem0nade That's not at ALL helpful to someone that can't have children. It's dismissive and belittling. Adopting is an option but it's not cheap and it's not easy.
@@katwyld well it wasn't said with any bad intention. Adoption is still a good option for people who really wanna raise kids but can't have their own.
This is base on a real case ,I remember some details about it. A mother was accused of giving her baby antifreeze . The baby had a rare condition , long story short after they looked into the moms case she was set free. I don't remember if the baby lived or died , I hope the baby lived .
Ryan Stallings, it happened in my hometown in the late 80’s/early 90’s. Baby Ryan did die, and it was his brother that ultimately proved their mom’s innocence because he had the same condition that killed Ryan, so they were able to prove it was a genetic condition, not their mom poisoning them. The younger brother DJ also eventually passed away some years ago, but he was an adult and I’m not sure if it was the condition that killed him or something else.
I can imagine the older daughter telling the twins all about this case when they're older, and all three probably giving killer mom the coldest shoulder ever. Or getting into a teenage argument with killer mom and throwing her crime back in her face. Like the "or what, u gonna force soapy water down our throats too?!!"
Wouldn't bet on it. Relationships between parents and children are complex and even parents that use force against their children are not hated by them. They still their parents. And for children this is a very important bond. And I guess that big sister didn't get in her mind, even if she witnessed what her mom did to Alexis. And Alexis died while she was sleeping. So her mum, the kind and nice mum in her mind, is still mom, but away for quite a long time. And the girl probably will miss her. The girl probably will understand much later in life what mommy did.
Oh, man. I remember when I first saw this episode WAY BACK whenever that was. It was one of my favorite L&O eps ever -- ANY of the franchise! It's just SO messed up! Can't believe this was almost 20 years ago! :)
Well judge put Elliott in jail for doing his job Now Elliott is returning a favor except for arresting the judge in front of his rich guests taking I would of chose to arrest the judge in front of his rich guests
Again, there should be a law that requires thorough, intense and proper screening of all prospective adopting parents so that cases like this never happen again- and that law should be enforced!
@@michelle19000 Not thorough enough! There are too many horror stories of adopted kids, being disowned, physically, mentally sexually abused, returned to the orphanages or biological families which they came- many of which are not even fit to care for them, or killed by their adoptive families! Adoption a loving option? Not always!
There is, but what looks good on paper doesn't equal love and care in practice. The screenings are for criminal background, housing conditions, and income.
That judge shouldn't be a judge at all what he did to not release her & his against children he should've been arrested, sued & fired & the little girl would've been alive if it weren't for his decision
Judge could say whatever he wanted. If the mother really loved Alexis, she never would have murdered her. She's still guilty. I don't know what they can charge him with.
I know this is a show, but it only highlights what a joke our “justice” system is. It’s a complete failure, letting psychopaths walk free and putting innocent people in prison forever, or even put to death.
Tom Skerritt, according to IMDB, used some of his learning from Top Gun to understand the part of being a judge. According to IMDB, he spent several days shadowing real life cases to prepare for the role. He said: Diane Neal is probably the toughest cookie to deal with. Her and I had a lot of laughs while we were preparing for our role. I regaled her with some stupid jokes. It was fun.
And social services steals from the poor and gives to the rich and gets government funding to recreate this svu episode on a daily basis. Rehoming is a thing to. It turned Natalia grace into a sociopath. But who cares it makes for good entertainment so everyone is good with it. ( Please note my sarcasm)
This isn’t real remember, I real life there are protocols for stuff like this Edit - for the idiots who don’t understand what protocol means let me give you an example When someone is arrested they have their rights read out to them - this is protocol and it’s so that the person being arrested can’t get out of something by clamming they wasn’t told their rights. When someone is questioned for a whiteness statement the statement is always recorded especially if they cannot appear as a whiteness on the stand E.g the little girl saying what she saw wouldn’t be able to have even been used as evidence unless the statement was recorded with whiteness since she is a child. There are many protocols that need to be followed for her statement to be as evidence. The whole point of protocols is that they are followed, if they aren’t followed then people can weasel out of crimes which is exactly the reason they are followed 99% of the time. Which then brings it back to my original point in saying that this situation wouldn’t have happened if it was real life
I can’t say that I’m satisfied with the ending because from what I remember, he was pushed down to civil court. I wouldn’t trust this guy with a speeding ticket.
@@MrMonkey2150 Unfortunately, all the rules and protocols in the world don't stop people from abusing their power, or having political or personal leanings. Even judges. Even policemen. Even lawyers.
so one thing that confuses me about taft? does he actually think the mither is innocent and using his power to force the trial in the direction he thinks it should go, or is he fully aware the mother is guilty, but doesnt care?
He thinks the woman who is purchased the little girl is entitled to do anything she wishes to with her property. I am an actual adoptee so I no from first hand experience.
This is an example of why biased judges need to be dealt with and quickly. That poor little girl had a life and might have possibly been able to live a good life at some point. And not only did a judge allow a dangerous woman to be let free and have contact with that child, but he also encouraged her to kill the daughter. He needs to be locked up for life. I guarantee this isn't the first time he's done this.
I love the fact the comments are getting on the judge when it’s literally a show ! LMAOO period ! This happens in REAL LIFE - love SVU it’s so realistic and passionate.
I had to watch all of this again and i feel like the judge should’ve gotten a harsher sentence than just being moved down to civil court, but i guess ruining his reputation is a none to slim victory and glad the mom went to jail
This was based off the real life case of Patricia Stallings. She was accused and convicted of killing her baby via antifreeze poisoning but it turned out that the baby had a rare genetic disorder that appeared similar to antifreeze poisoning.
Did this air during sweeps? They brought in a lot of guest stars in this episode from Barry Bostwick to Tom Skerritt and the actress that was on Roseanne/The Connors.
I’m sorry but I remember the constitution saying a trial by a “jury of your peers” not a trial of some old fart wearing a fancy poncho thinking he is all powerful
Uhm, ok, so why didnt the brilliant cop say: "No, you're incorrect counsel. I made my statement to the mother AFTER my questioning her daughter, and her Daughter making the aforementioned statements. Therefore, my opinion of the Mother was the result of the testimony of the daughter, and in no way enforced my questioning, as it had already taken place."
What the actual heck.. someone tells you its better for your family for you to suffocate one of your kids and you think thats normal? Theres something seriously messed up about both the judge and the mom
Uhh.... Why can't a judge be arrested in his own home? That's doesn't make any frickin sense. .... But also know this is set in New York so i wouldn't surprised.
You cannot go into a home at night without the person living in it granting you permission. Or a competent judge, because no rule is absolute. This is not about class or anything, just a constitutional dispositive in any civilized western country.
They can't make you answer yes or no. It would violate your constitutional rights. And it would get a lawyer disbarred in real life. They teach about that
I’ve always enjoyed Tom Skerrit. But his turn as this judge has always turned my stomach and made my skin crawl. I honestly think that the majority of famous people who guest star on any of the Law & Order shows do so just so they can get their vile and evil on. And damned if they don’t do a great job at it. Looking at you Martin Short.
Now I’m starting to BELEIVE that 1 judge that made a video saying he gave someoen life without parole because he didn’t eat that day and was just haven a bad day… and did nothing to help the man or decrease his time… just sick I also was in court and saw a judge give someoen time because they misunderstood what the person said. Basically said since they don’t no how to talk them maybe they need time 😢 I truly feel like judges got a special place in hell… they think there god they have to ability to lock someone up foreveeeeeeeerrrr
"you had some pretty strong feelings about my client's guilt the moment you met her." no, i had some pretty strong feelings about her guilt the moment her daughter described forcing one of her children to ingest soapy water to the point she was vomiting and losing consciousness.
I was cussing a lot more, but this is essentially what I screamed at my phone.
Why didn't the prosecution do redirect?
He could have then said on the record that he made the statement only after talking to the kid
@@stxnn9914right?!
I always wonder why the writers dont just make the character fix the false narrative, that wouldve been too easy
I have no idea whh he didn’t say that.
Judges like this are why so many people don't trust the justice system. Letting their own personal views be what conducts their rulings. Letting guilty people walk and innocent people rot behind bars. Makes me sick. I'm happy that they focused on that in this episode.
People like these exist in positions of power is not because of honest means. They have people backing them in their climb to power and displace the truly honest people through shady methods...
wait why is he bias again?
@@bananacathammock He let a woman off knowing that she was unstable and that the child wasn't safe, but she was rich and well-known so he thought that they were and I quote "good people", and he sent another mom to prison for ten years for her baby girl's death which turned out to be a complete accident but she was a wh*re (his words, not mine) so that made her a bad mother apparently.
Yeah people complain the police don't want to take action but how frustrating when good cops actually try to and DA's & judges just throw all their work to the wind. And we elect these DA's and the people who appoint these judges. Trust no one!
@@angelachouinard4581yep, the police are just as frustrated about it as we are
It's disgraceful when a judge allows their own personal bias to run their decision making such as this.
He's just mad Novak kept spilling his coffee going Mach 2
@MultiMackD what's that a reference to?
That’s why his ahh was fired for his position in a later episode
What is this judge’s problem anyway?
It’s happens all the time
This episode was fantastic. The most horrifying part was not that the judge acquitted her not because he believed her innocence, but that she was such a good stereotype that he simply EXCUSED her. Then he advises her to do away with the sick girl.
That “””mother””” is a disgrace
What episode was this?
I’ve not seen the episode. Did the judge actually tell her to kill the kid or was she lying?
Season 5 episode 24@@loopin269
@@secretninja247 yes he did.
He probably fancied her! 🤢
What makes me mad is that the Aunt and sister were honest and stood up for that little girl without hesitating and the investigators went above and beyond to bring justice to them. Then judge just sat there, unapologetically defending a LITERAL MURDERER and letting her walk free. So, if she gets mad at her other daughter for confessing what she saw and decides to kill her too...we'll just blame the cat or something... we may as well since irrelevant observations are much more convincing than direct proof...
So glad the judge got arrested, but the mom needs a life sentence more than anyone else in this situation.
She DID kill her other daughter after and the judge was arrested bc he suggested it her. So there was justice in the end but it’s sad two little girls died
he was briefly arrested and let loose by another judge. he got moved to family court (like thats any better) when his biases became public knowledge and the courts were forced to act.
@@dershaymcdonald5409did she killed 2 kids? For what i understand it was just one, Alexis, the first time she poisoned her but the kid survived with brain damage so the second time she suffocated the kid and she died that way
@@jessp.r.7181 you’re right! She killed the same girl not two different ones. I just watched the full episode idk why I thought she died earlier
@@WRL13he’s also being investigated on other cases like that other innocent woman he sent to prison. Most likely his career will be over.
"it's against the law to arrest a judge in his own home" the hell kinda law is THAT? No one should be above the law. NO ONE.
Yeah but the sad truth is, law is equal for everyone only in utopias. Just look at politicians
"Your honor, you know the law says we *can* arrest you in your own home."
Can, not can't.
It's why the next sentence is about giving the judge the option of making a big scene: arresting him in his own home in front of all his guests.
There is no law for that. I suspect it was used as an excuse to say the next line about making a scene in front of the judge's guests. It's obvious he's big on appearances if he's having a huge fancy party like that in his house. Thus he wouldn't want a scene made in front of them. But there is no law about arresting a judge in his home. The US Constitution states that all [men] are equal under God. Thus no matter who it is, the same rules applies to everyone. Of course, recent events have changed that particular thinking but this episode was done long before all of that. There are a lot of people looking at the US and wondering how they can blatantly ignore their own laws. But no, there is no such law as this.
It’s all rigged but everybody thinks they’re the exception 😅
Lol you don't understand how that saying works do you? There are two sets of laws. One for them ( meaning rich, politicians, etc ) and one for us.
I feel bad for the dad. He believed his wife's innocence and trusted her with his kids, including Alexis. To come home to see Alexis dead and his wife in cuffs again must've taken the ground right from under him. Poor Alexis didn't deserve to die. She shouldn't have died or have been in danger to begin with. The woman had to have been sick in the head to claim to love her child and yet so easily put her daughter in serious danger (to kill her, even).
I'd say he was too gullible and blind to believe his wife. I bet his sister saw right through her.
What’s more gut wrenching is that dad wants to bring Alexis back the wife says yes but she couldn’t say no or it seem suspicious that she really mean to kill her
@@luislovera2351 But she said she didn't want to being her back home when she had the perfect opportunity to leave her now brain-damaged child in a nursing home.
She was adopted ergo in this sick woman's mind she wasn't hers. This is why my country doesn't allow foreigners to adopt children because once they are out of the country they can't be protected.
@@luislovera2351 But that would've been too much for them to handle considering she was already brain-damaged as a result of the mother poisoning her! 😔
My line to this judge. "I don't have contempt for the court. The judge I have IMMENSE contempt for."
In many ways the judge is considered "the court" and to have contempt for one is to have it for the other.
@@Octodactylpus I know that they're one and the same. But if I'm getting slapped with a contempt charge I'd point that I have respect for the court,just contempt for the judge.
@@curtisberard7831 I see what you're saying
@@curtisberard7831I think that's what some people call "jesuitical thinking", or maybe " dancing on the head of a pin". A Judge won't make that distinction I fear. At least, that was my experience, when a Judge found me guilty of contempt. I had 3 days in prison to think about my impertinence!
Why were you in court for, please?@@dermothoran1814
He let a murderer walk free due to his own bias. He’s an absolute disgrace to those robes and the position he holds. Absolutely unforgivable
Not to mention, he's pretty much a murderer himself.
@@nascarfanatic2425 - Criminal facilitation in the second degree. He enabled the mother to kill her daughter. Even though he never met the daughter at all, he is just as guilty as the mother herself for causing her death.
There were two other episodes I know of in SVU where facilitating a murder was used: The episode involving the child beauty pageants and the episode Home.
@@Aggression-hc3yp Was home the episode where that rich business tycoon got away with raping and murdering a girl years ago and framed an innocent man to take the fall, and then he committed the same crime years later, but then got shot and killed by an outraged old man, and so his lawyer was arrested for facilitating the murders?
I mean its 2024 and judges basically make disgraceful decisions all the time. The robes & position don't mean anything.
@@lolibop96 There's always been disgraceful people in positions of authority for years. It's not exclusive to 2024. There are good people in there as well, though.
“we thought we’d class the place up” hahah love that line
If I remember correctly, he spoke to her later and told her to get help and not do it again. She ends up killing and the judge is at fault. They found out that he made a mistakes with the antifreeze mother. They get that mom out and get judge off the stand
That’s the worst judge EVER🤦🏻♂️dude really let that woman kill the little girl
That's why he should've been dismissed from being on the bench in the courtroom.
I would say I've seen worse. The episode with Barbara who was defending the girl who got raped but allowed the rapists to walk free on some technicality or whatever. I forgot most of it cause it was really terrible and the girl at the end said she was made to be used and it ended with her about to be gang banged by like 10 40 year old men and she was like 22 ish
Clarence Thomas: Hold my beer.
“These judges who think cops strong arms witnesses in order to make their case.” - Man who has done that, multiple times, to people who turned out to be innocent
Chris Keller as a cop is a total joke...
Oz viewers understood that
Well, he did specify that it was because the witness was 7years old, and he wouldn’t do that to a kid
You want an omelette, you gotta crack some eggs.
9:23
Judge: you’ll gonna be sorry for this
Detective: and you'll gonna look good on the mugshot
😂😂 best combat response 👍👍
Because she's higher class he's biased in her favor while being biased against lower class people.
tbh he's probably getting payouts from the prison system. he lets her off on the child abuse charges then tells her to murder her child so she'll be locked up for even longer, which means more profit for the prison and a bigger cut for him. there was a real life case of a judge that was doling out extreme sentences and was found to be profiting from it.
@@dietotakuthat sounds very ‘small town’ to me. The mom probably made up the judge saying that as when would a judge see a defendant ex parte after their trial has ended?
I hope they got the glycol poisoning lady released from prison. Not allowing that expert got her convicted.
@@dietotakuunlikely.
The prison system in NY is not private
A few years back I met Barry Bostwick and told him that "Poison" was one of my fave episodes that he appeared in. He was such a sweetie!!
That's Awesome💯
I met him at comic con he was so fun
Bostwick is the best, he has always been known for being super nice to fans! 💖 Back since the days of Rocky Horror haha 😀
@@virg0_lem0nadewho did he play in rocky horror?
@@auto_math Brad
Why didn't he just say "yes, that was after her daughter described her forcing her other daughter to drink soapy water until she started vomiting and fell unconscious"? You're allowed to believe the suspect is guilty after you hear the evidence of their guilt.
The defense would have objected, and the judge likely would have agreed, bc witnesses are meant to answer questions as specifically as possible, not shoe-horn in their opinions or details that a lawyer didn’t ask for. Which would have been worse for the prosecution, since it could lead to the judge striking that evidence from the case all together.
I know its part of Stabler’s character, but he was in the wrong in this instance. Also, I don’t think the child he was interviewing had an adult present during the time of the interview- huge no-no when you’re interviewing children as witnesses, unless the parent/guardian gives consent to the officer. Maybe that was shown in the episode but not this clip.
He was on cross. The questions are designed to be answered as yes or no. The prosecutor should've gone on redirect to have him clarify his statements.
“And you’re going to look SOOO pretty for your mug shot”. I love his wit
"Be good to her" that hit hard. Even in death she wants the best for the kid
Why would a judge not be allowed to be arrested in their own home?
It's the law in New York that no one can be arrested in their home. They have to take them outside for some reason. It isn't just judges.
@@memawknowsbest4978 the other lady was already in cuffs when they were walking her out of the house reading her her rights.
@@dietotakumaybe the home was only in her husband’s name?
@@dietotaku I think that might have been an apartment building or something rather than a single house. But I've heard them say that on this show and others set in New York.
@dietotaku I looked it up. There is a SCOTUS decision that makes it illegal to arrest someone in their own home without an arrest warrant. If they have an arrest warrant, then they can arrest them in their home.
Spoilers:
Episode ends with the judge moved to civil court and his previous judgments being investigated
That judge should've been sent to prison, he had a part in that little girls murder as well as the mother
Casey wanted to have him arrested and sent to prison for murder facilitation but the presiding judge threw the case out and he reprimanded her for that.
She later goes on to kill another child
Not another child. It was the same adopted child she poisoned and gave her brain damage. This was because the judge had an ex parte chat with her during her first trial where he implied the child was better off dead.
Right you are
Great 😮😢 1:14
How come the judge wasn’t then charged as an accessory to the second murder? 🤔
@@froggybug that my dear Sir is the question ❓⁉️
My adoptive mother was Lways doing stuff like this,she made herself out to be my rescuer from foster homes, and the children's home,she hit me shut doors on my fingers,bit me,a couple of times she was supposed to put a suppository inside me,she at first put it in my uteter(meatus), vs the vagina.I remember the pain.I was underdeveloped,but because we lived on a farm it was considered i was getting nutrition i needed.As a teenager,they found out I had very low iron in my blood.She had the same happen when she was a child.Adoptive parents need to be monitored as well.
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I’m sorry that happened to you, that’s awful
I hope that you have been able to escape
I hope you're away from that monster and recovering. Simply awful. The lack of monitoring with Foster and adoptive parents is insane.
I am so sorry this happened to u! My best friend was adopted at 9mos and was abused physically and sexually by his adoptive mom til he was 12 and cld fight back
As a lawyer. This is how real life judges act.
“Lady if I have anything to say about it you’ll never see those kids again.”
I love how stabler handles his azz at the end lmao even takes his snacks
I love how elliot is just casually eating the food while arresting him.
One of the only episodes that had great closure. Despite the death of that poor girl alot of times when the perpetrator isn't a high position of power like this they tend to get away from the consequences
Being unable to have children myself, I feel absolutely sick when parents abuse their children. So many people, for whatever reason, can't have kids. It's not fair that they can't, when complete monsters can.
luckily you are always able to adopt one of the thousands of children who need a home!
@@virg0_lem0nade That's not at ALL helpful to someone that can't have children. It's dismissive and belittling. Adopting is an option but it's not cheap and it's not easy.
That's how life is sadly. 😢😢
@@katwyld well it wasn't said with any bad intention. Adoption is still a good option for people who really wanna raise kids but can't have their own.
@@virg0_lem0nade Too bad our current system is designed to rip adoptable kids back to abusive homes and milk suitable parents for every dime.
Stabler has a bias? That judge has a massive bias!
This is base on a real case ,I remember some details about it. A mother was accused of giving her baby antifreeze . The baby had a rare condition , long story short after they looked into the moms case she was set free. I don't remember if the baby lived or died , I hope the baby lived .
It was the case of Ryan Stallings. He died
Ryan Stallings, it happened in my hometown in the late 80’s/early 90’s. Baby Ryan did die, and it was his brother that ultimately proved their mom’s innocence because he had the same condition that killed Ryan, so they were able to prove it was a genetic condition, not their mom poisoning them. The younger brother DJ also eventually passed away some years ago, but he was an adult and I’m not sure if it was the condition that killed him or something else.
What a disgusting excuse of a judge.
I can imagine the older daughter telling the twins all about this case when they're older, and all three probably giving killer mom the coldest shoulder ever. Or getting into a teenage argument with killer mom and throwing her crime back in her face. Like the "or what, u gonna force soapy water down our throats too?!!"
Wouldn't bet on it. Relationships between parents and children are complex and even parents that use force against their children are not hated by them. They still their parents. And for children this is a very important bond.
And I guess that big sister didn't get in her mind, even if she witnessed what her mom did to Alexis. And Alexis died while she was sleeping.
So her mum, the kind and nice mum in her mind, is still mom, but away for quite a long time. And the girl probably will miss her.
The girl probably will understand much later in life what mommy did.
Oh, man. I remember when I first saw this episode WAY BACK whenever that was. It was one of my favorite L&O eps ever -- ANY of the franchise! It's just SO messed up! Can't believe this was almost 20 years ago! :)
I'm glad this channel includes in the description the season and episode number
Well judge put Elliott in jail for doing his job
Now Elliott is returning a favor except for arresting the judge in front of his rich guests taking
I would of chose to arrest the judge in front of his rich guests
Again, there should be a law that requires thorough, intense and proper screening of all prospective adopting parents so that cases like this never happen again- and that law should be enforced!
They don’t have thorough screenings? I’m so glad I didn’t put my daughter up for adoption.
@@michelle19000 Not thorough enough! There are too many horror stories of adopted kids, being disowned, physically, mentally sexually abused, returned to the orphanages or biological families which they came- many of which are not even fit to care for them, or killed by their adoptive families! Adoption a loving option? Not always!
Ofc there’s crazy laws for adoption screening etc
There is, but what looks good on paper doesn't equal love and care in practice. The screenings are for criminal background, housing conditions, and income.
@@PandoraBear357 The screenings would include a thorough psychological assessment to see if they are likely to be abusive in any way.
That judge shouldn't be a judge at all what he did to not release her & his against children he should've been arrested, sued & fired & the little girl would've been alive if it weren't for his decision
Judge could say whatever he wanted. If the mother really loved Alexis, she never would have murdered her. She's still guilty. I don't know what they can charge him with.
I know this is a show, but it only highlights what a joke our “justice” system is. It’s a complete failure, letting psychopaths walk free and putting innocent people in prison forever, or even put to death.
Tom Skerritt, according to IMDB, used some of his learning from Top Gun to understand the part of being a judge.
According to IMDB, he spent several days shadowing real life cases to prepare for the role. He said: Diane Neal is probably the toughest cookie to deal with. Her and I had a lot of laughs while we were preparing for our role. I regaled her with some stupid jokes. It was fun.
6:01 this is based off the case of Patricia Stallings for anyone who's interested.
The mother and judge needs to go to prison for the rest of their lives
That judge should've been dismissed from being on the bench for making that decision. I guess he never liked that mother's children.
No he's just privileged. He believes that people of his social ranking are better than everyone else.
I was adopted,I was abused by both my parents and my brother who was also adopted.how well do you have to lie to social services to get a kid?
Yup
And social services steals from the poor and gives to the rich and gets government funding to recreate this svu episode on a daily basis. Rehoming is a thing to. It turned Natalia grace into a sociopath. But who cares it makes for good entertainment so everyone is good with it. ( Please note my sarcasm)
Judges have too much power
If not too much power, many of them have alarming biases.
This isn’t real remember, I real life there are protocols for stuff like this
Edit - for the idiots who don’t understand what protocol means let me give you an example
When someone is arrested they have their rights read out to them - this is protocol and it’s so that the person being arrested can’t get out of something by clamming they wasn’t told their rights.
When someone is questioned for a whiteness statement the statement is always recorded especially if they cannot appear as a whiteness on the stand
E.g the little girl saying what she saw wouldn’t be able to have even been used as evidence unless the statement was recorded with whiteness since she is a child. There are many protocols that need to be followed for her statement to be as evidence.
The whole point of protocols is that they are followed, if they aren’t followed then people can weasel out of crimes which is exactly the reason they are followed 99% of the time. Which then brings it back to my original point in saying that this situation wouldn’t have happened if it was real life
@@MrMonkey2150how many of them are actually followed?
I can’t say that I’m satisfied with the ending because from what I remember, he was pushed down to civil court. I wouldn’t trust this guy with a speeding ticket.
@@MrMonkey2150 Unfortunately, all the rules and protocols in the world don't stop people from abusing their power, or having political or personal leanings. Even judges. Even policemen. Even lawyers.
so one thing that confuses me about taft? does he actually think the mither is innocent and using his power to force the trial in the direction he thinks it should go, or is he fully aware the mother is guilty, but doesnt care?
It seems like he felt she did it by accident, in a "these are good people" way, based on their class.
He thinks the woman who is purchased the little girl is entitled to do anything she wishes to with her property. I am an actual adoptee so I no from first hand experience.
Very good performance in this episode by Tom Skerritt.
He's such a versatile actor.
I miss Picket Fences.
@@cheekyrabbit It was quite a remarkable show. I enjoyed much of it.
Sometimes the greatest weakness of any power is the power itself.
That moment you know Stabler is about to tear them up!
This is an example of why biased judges need to be dealt with and quickly. That poor little girl had a life and might have possibly been able to live a good life at some point. And not only did a judge allow a dangerous woman to be let free and have contact with that child, but he also encouraged her to kill the daughter. He needs to be locked up for life. I guarantee this isn't the first time he's done this.
"you're... gonna look so pretty for your mugshot." Thank goodness he learned his lesson the first time.
That judge had better watch out for the xenomorph in the airshaft.
ALIEN
BEST MOVIE EVER
In space no one can hear you scream😮
These older episodes were amazing. Amazing by way of horrible and tragic stories. Characters like the judge too!
I hear New York is full of judges like this!!!
I certainly hope not
1:45 Elliot is so funny 🤣🤣🤣
Oh wow. I'm actually adopted from Romania too. This hit pretty hard.
@3:30 why didn't stabler just say he made the remark after interviewing the child not before
Because he thought Mrs Cambell told mr Gates about it
Fun fact the defense attorney was once a mayor for NYC
Great cast in this one including Tom Skerritt, Marlo Thomas, and Barry Bostwick
And your gonna look soooo pretty for your mug shot 😂 I’m dying
Lecy was great in this episode!
They always have great guest stars on Law and Order. Barry Bostwick, Tom Skerritt.
Lecy Goranson, Marlo Thomas.
i don't get why the judge would expose himself by telling her this
he would have been protected otherwise
why does he care if the child dies or not?
I just remembered CM played the husband in true story movie with a similar story line
THE JUDGE SAID WHAT NOW
Hate when they sentence innocent ppl
I love the fact the comments are getting on the judge when it’s literally a show ! LMAOO period ! This happens in REAL LIFE - love SVU it’s so realistic and passionate.
I had to watch all of this again and i feel like the judge should’ve gotten a harsher sentence than just being moved down to civil court, but i guess ruining his reputation is a none to slim victory and glad the mom went to jail
The 2 worse things to have in a courtroom. 1) A bias judge. 2) A bias jury.
This sometimes happens with an adopted child that has more kids.
This was based off the real life case of Patricia Stallings. She was accused and convicted of killing her baby via antifreeze poisoning but it turned out that the baby had a rare genetic disorder that appeared similar to antifreeze poisoning.
stabler at his best!!!!
Did this air during sweeps? They brought in a lot of guest stars in this episode from Barry Bostwick to Tom Skerritt and the actress that was on Roseanne/The Connors.
I’m sorry but I remember the constitution saying a trial by a “jury of your peers” not a trial of some old fart wearing a fancy poncho thinking he is all powerful
You can choose either a jury trial or bench( judge) trial.
This could definitely happen. A high-priced lawyer can easily have this kind of evidence suppressed and the charges dropped.
Uhm, ok, so why didnt the brilliant cop say: "No, you're incorrect counsel. I made my statement to the mother AFTER my questioning her daughter, and her Daughter making the aforementioned statements. Therefore, my opinion of the Mother was the result of the testimony of the daughter, and in no way enforced my questioning, as it had already taken place."
What the actual heck.. someone tells you its better for your family for you to suffocate one of your kids and you think thats normal? Theres something seriously messed up about both the judge and the mom
Wait…is that Becky from Roseanne at 7:00???
Yes!! ❤
Yes 😢
The actors from Roseanne all amaze me every time I see them.
What was the end result with the judge? I'd like to know if his title was taken away and if he got to do time for his "suggestion"
People go to prison for getting rid of monsters like her and this is why
I'm upset by the fact that poor mom was in jail for no reason.
Is that Becky from Roseanne?
Yes it's Becky from Roseanne
Elliott just eating and talking to the judge
THE WRONGFULLY JAILED MOM IS LECY GROANSON AKA THE OG BECKY CONNER
Oh God i remember this case!!!😨😨😨😨😨😨😱😱😱
Stop blaspheming!
Uhh.... Why can't a judge be arrested in his own home? That's doesn't make any frickin sense.
.... But also know this is set in New York so i wouldn't surprised.
It's anyone that can't be arrested in their home not just judges they arrest has to be taken outside first
You cannot go into a home at night without the person living in it granting you permission. Or a competent judge, because no rule is absolute.
This is not about class or anything, just a constitutional dispositive in any civilized western country.
so we had barry bostwick, tom skerritt and becky from roseanne in this episode alone,
They can't make you answer yes or no. It would violate your constitutional rights. And it would get a lawyer disbarred in real life. They teach about that
What an evil judge! Like, what the heck!? Glad they caught him.
I’ve always enjoyed Tom Skerrit. But his turn as this judge has always turned my stomach and made my skin crawl.
I honestly think that the majority of famous people who guest star on any of the Law & Order shows do so just so they can get their vile and evil on. And damned if they don’t do a great job at it. Looking at you Martin Short.
Now I’m starting to BELEIVE that 1 judge that made a video saying he gave someoen life without parole because he didn’t eat that day and was just haven a bad day… and did nothing to help the man or decrease his time… just sick I also was in court and saw a judge give someoen time because they misunderstood what the person said. Basically said since they don’t no how to talk them maybe they need time 😢 I truly feel like judges got a special place in hell… they think there god they have to ability to lock someone up foreveeeeeeeerrrr
Man, Viper sure has fallen far.
1:33 - 1:35 which one is the adoptive mom im so confused here
I feel like a great deal of the effort of these cases could be relieved if Stabler would just knock it off with the snide one liners 😅
This judge is in somebody's pocket.
Was this the ending or is there more?
Ok but why does the actress in the scene 7 minutes in look and sound exactly like Maya Hawke?