Correct! But when you have greedy millionaires and billionaires holding cities hostage and greedy idiotic politicians, it produces these horrible deals. Only a few owners have In sports have self funded new sradiums, the last owner I'm aware that did it was Paul Allen for both his NFL team Seattle Seahawks and NBA team Portland Trailblazers.
They Should have never left L.A. Georgia Frontier was a Fraud , never negotiated in good faith with ANAHEIM, she took the money and Ran. Now they are where they BELONG.
Man stl was winning back then the whole city plenty of decent jobs chrysler ford gm an tons of other places bush got in office stl went from sugar to shit expeditiously
I went to the BattleHawks home opener and I’ve gotta say....I don’t think it was a bad stadium at all. A few minor cosmetic updates inside such as newer seats and a bigger jumbo screen would make it even better. But I absolutely loved the dome!
Yes, the Dome was a lot more lively during those 2 Battlehawks games than it was for the Rams. Big difference when you actually have a team worth cheering for. Fingers crossed we get more games come 2023!
@@Gage_Brumley Those are Band-Aids. The real problem for the Dome is the lack of natural light. The Dome could be good enough as a temporary venue for an NFL team now while a new one is being built but definitely not as a permanent home for a new team. Then again, the XFL might just be good enough for St. Louis. Nevertheless, based on the high attendance for the Battlehawks, I have to think the NFL is taking a hard look at St. Louis to see if they can put a team there. My vote would be to move the Jaguars. Jacksonville is a soft NFL market that is not actually as big as it might seem on paper. The St. Louis metro area has A LOT more people than the Jacksonville metro area.
It's a shame that the NFL makes these cities jump through hoops and spend all this money just to have a team and the facility gets used by them 10 weeks a year. They make enough to build their own stadiums instead of stressing out their fans and holding them hostage. As a Raider fan I could never focuss on the season or the team because the inevitable would always be looming over everything like the elephant in the room. I hope smaller leagues like the XFL will come along and break their monopoly.
That's rough, man. It certainly doesn't help that the Raiders were stuck playing in the Oakland Colosseum. That's a special kind of hell where you either have to put up with teams and local governments fighting over paying $1 Billion for a new stadium, or be left to rot in an dilapidated shithole stadium that should've been replaced decades ago.
@@scaryhobbit211 and the league made enough to help the situation. They could've put up part of the money and made it back over the seasons from revenue. and concert events instead of pressuring a broke city to ignore their schools and other concerns and build them a new stadium. The fans were some of the best and they deserved better than what they got from the league and the politicians.
@@aaronblaylock2092 as devil's advocate, the league did offer 200 to 250 million to help with the Raiders' new stadium, wherever that was going to be. Raiders also took out a 600+ million dollar loan from Bank of America. Rest was paid by Vegas' hotel tax. It's not like Oakland and Alameda aren't used to wasting money. Why snub a team that wants to stay when you're still paying on the old stadium? Now they don't have the Warriors or the Raiders. That mayor Schaaf is a clown.
Lived the city of San Diego & the Chargers’ cluster for years. Chargers should have stayed! Lost their fan base & we fans lost all respect for ownership in the process. Ownership has ruined the Cowboys too.
I played HS football in MO back when teams played championship gm in the dome. 4 years of HS I had 1 mindset to make it to the dome but we always came short in the playoffs.
I’m sorry to hear that I’m in Ohio and our championship is at the hof stadium in canton after 4 years we made the playoffs for our senior season this year we didn’t make it to the championship but in the 2nd round we played canton McKinley and their home stadium is the hof stadium and we got to play there and we won
Talked to a guy who was on the stadium crew when I was there for the Big 12 Championship game between Nebraska and Texas. Naturally, because it was an indoor stadium and a convention center it had a concrete floor. The synthetic turf would be laid out for football games. When there was a convention they'd roll up the turf on these huge rollers where it would be placed in store rooms. The problem was the store rooms had not been designed tall enough to accommodate standard turf on the rollers. It wouldn't fit. Their solution was to use a thinner turf so when they rolled it up it would fit in the store rooms. Think laying a piece of carpet, with no padding, on a concrete floor. The guy said the Ram players complained about it all the time and many left the team when they could because of it.
nhl or nba arenas are much more profitable than nfl stadiums. Thats a reality. Longer schedule, concerts, whatever. I never understood the profit of NFL public funded
because theres only so many nfl games a year. while nba arenas have tons of games. like over ten times as many games. a strictly nfl stadium needs to follow green bays road and just build one with the plans for updates and renovating every ten years. building a new one everytime is beyond crazy
A multipurpose NBA/NHL arena would hold 82 games a season. MLB ballparks hold 81 games a year. The NFL has a measly 8 or 9 home games per year. Not to mention how much cheaper it is to build an arena or ballpark compared to a football stadium. The value for money is definitely better for Arenas and Ballparks.
It also helps because most NHL and NBA teams share Arenas if they got multiple teams in the same city such as Red Wings and pistons do at Little Caesars Arena
When the Rams were good that dome was so loud that opposing teams hated to play there. But the team owner spent billions of his own money to build a stadium in Los Angeles so obviously money was not the problem, the fix was in. One problem the Dome had was parking space and no real place for tailgating.
Kroenke was looking for an excuse to move the team to a bigger market because the billions he has was not enough. When you marry one of the heirs to Walmart and get the exclusive rights to build and lease properties attached to a Walmart, you can forget where you came from. St. Louis does not miss Kroenke.
The dome was state of the art when it opened. The advantage of the dome was how loud it got. The dome was rocking and the loudest stadium in the NFL for some time. St Louis competed with Seattle when it came to crowd noise. I always loved hearing the comments from visiting fans "this place is loud". Don't forget the dome hosted some great events from rolling Stones to the largest indoor mass in the US with Pope John Paul II. Plus the only XFL city to sell out an upper section an hour. But the game was cancelled due to Covid.
I also think that it is pretty decent. The Edward Jones Dome is pretty unique, because it is a dark place. Plus, The Greatest Show on Turf never would've happened in a outdoor stadium, only for that the stadium had a good purpose.
@@Jordozer Yeah, my impression from seeing the stadium on TV was that it was dark, but I liked that (I also like that the Superdome is super bright, so I can work either way).
I myself have been there before (I live in st.Louis) and I must say if it’s good for one thing. It’s for Monster Jam. Every year it’s nothing but insane and the floor is massive so it’s always special in the eyes of Monster Jam fans.
Fellow Monster Jam fan from the Detroit Area. Ford Field is far cooler stadium than the Silverdome. However, Monster Jams were far better at the Silverdome because of the larger floor space. I swear stadium amenities do not matter when it comes to those events.
Sounds much like the now demolished Silverdome in Pontiac, Michigan. The echo was awful and the upper deck was too damn far away from the game. At least it wasn't downtown but out next to the expressways.
You should do one on the old Boston Garden. That place was such a pit, visiting team locker rooms playing the celtics mysteriously had their hot water turned off and the rats in and under the building were legendary. The biggest shithole in history. Every time i went there something bad happened.
Hahahaha you ain't said nothing. Baltimore's old Memorial stadium was a dump also. But it was dubbbed ' the largest outdoor insane asylum' because of our passionate (rabid) fan base. You can see more on one of the first ever 30 for 30's on ESPN called " the band that wouldn't die" about the old colts marching band that stayed together after the Colts left for Indy in 1984.
The Boston Garden had some charm to it but it was a dump overall. I saw some Bruins games when I was a kid in the 70's and it was antiquated back then. Tiny and uncomfortable seats (many with obstructed views), no air conditioning, and those sloped walkways leading into the building always smelled like piss.
I dunno, either one of two stadiums in Buffalo (The Aud and Ralph Wilson) could make a viable claim to the "biggest shithole" crown. At least the Celtics and Bruins were fun to watch sometimes. The old ballpark in Cleveland might be up there too.
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Like the Hoosier Dome, the Edward Jones Dome was built "on spec", meaning that the stadium was built with the hopes of luring a team. As it was built on the cheap, it quickly served its purpose. Unlike Indianapolis, where they worked with the Colts to build a state of the art stadium, Stan Kroenke was intent on moving to Los Angeles. That said, and to his credit, the stadium was paid almost entirely with private funds.
Probably because they didn't have a team commitment when it was built. Make it open and you can't do as many concerts and events as you can in a dome...
@@randallfloyd4476 it’s a shame, St. Louis has a small but dedicated fan base. If the NFL wants to keep expanding it’s going to have to expand into other cities
Hel of a 20 year run. Say what you want about the Doom. St louis showed up and showed out until it became clear that organization wanted to leave.. They turned the team into a clown show. I'm glad that St. Louis has moved on but they're building a new stadium for a soccer team . I hope they don't suffer the same faith.
From an average fan's perspective, sunlight, retractable roof, luxury suites / amenities don't mean anything. The game played here is as good (or as bad) as played anywhere else. It's all in the eyes of the owners. Owners, please pay for your own stadiums and stop extorting tax payers' money!
This place was so bad because St. Louis is really a great American city with so much history and so much to see, and this place embodied none of that. The Rams were basically playing in a dark convention center that had no personality and no soul. So many things they could have done with the St. Louis location and instead it was....this.
Well st Louis pretty much built it for the rams with they’re own money and Stan Kroenke used it as place to hide out until his team got better and he could move back to LA and never had plans to stay
@@irocz11 No, this place was not built for the Rams. It was built in hopes for an expansion team. When that did not happen, they went for a team. Unfortunately for St. Louis, it was the Georgia and John Shaw version of the Rams. J Shaw is everything people hate about lawyers and he raked St. Louis over the coals with a lease that had numerous clauses in it that was beneficial only to the Rams. These clauses allowed Stan K the ability to move the team out of the city before the entire contract was completed.
I've been to this place, though the seating was comfortable, facilities were clean, when you walked in there, it didn't feel like you were in a football stadium
I know, and while I never set foot inside of it myself, it seemed like a place where you wondered if you were really inside a football stadium, or maybe just a very large hockey arena instead! XD
Bill Bidwell: "Build a domed stadium, or I'll move to Phoenix." St. Louis: "No." Bill Bidwell: (Moves to Phoenix.) St. Louis: (Builds domed stadium) "Hey, NFL, can we have a team?" NFL: "No, but Charlotte and Jacksonville can, because you couldn't take care of the one you had." Rams: "Well go play in St. Louis" NFL: "If you do we'll make you come out here and play the same teams anyway." Rams: "Fine. Be that way." NFL: "Fine. We will." Rams: "This sucks. This town doesn't take care of their football teams. Let's go back to LA." (Moves back to LA). St. Louis: "Hey, come check out our Boat Show. It's inside."
@@skidawg22 I know- Gussie getting pissed that Bidwell didn't wanna sell his beer, the city agreeing to the ridiculous lease on the dome, Randy Karraker crying at the meeting...
Well technically the RCA dome (shown in the video) never hosted a super bowl either. It was Lucas oil that hosted the super bowl. An entirely different building
St Louis was so desperate to getting a NFL team back they were willing to agree to ANYTHING when Georgia Frontiere moved the Rams in 1995. The team was committed to St Louis as long as Georgia was alive since that was her hometown and preferred to stay there, but once she died and Stan took over full ownership, the Rams’ time in Missouri was over and it was only a matter of time before the Rams returned back to LA where they belong.
@@Yuan-lo3zz What does them winning have to do with it? The Rams left St. Louis just like the Raiders who won 2 Super Bowls as the Oakland Raiders left Oakland for a much better venue in Las Vegas. Meanwhile St. Louis is left with a stadium they don’t need in a deal that hurts the city, not to mention lost revenue moving forward because all those vendors who made money off the Rams aren’t doing that anymore. Try telling them the Rams “still won” which by the way is not the focus of this video.
@@moonytheloony6516 It’s pretty simple. Despite never hosting a super bowl game, encompassing the various issues of the franchise both on and off the field, St. Louis was one of the best city’s where football was played for a particular period of time, and great enough to win a championship. A primed football location, in a small market city, where success was still acclaimed. That is what matters at the end of the day, actually being able to win something with what you have; you understand it now Moony The Loony? Or do I have to dum it down even further for your understanding?
@@Yuan-lo3zz Is that any way to talk to one of God’s children? And to answer your question. No you pretty much sound about as dumb as possible. I don’t think you can get any dumber but thank you for offering to be dumber. I know you’re good at that. Now listen here Mr. Insecurity, I was talking about anything but the fan perspective when a team leaves town which, frankly speaking is a St. Louis trend being 0 for 2. You didn’t like that… Well Eric…guess how much sleep I’ll be losing over your feelings….check this out egghead. 0 Zero Now go play frogger on the freeway.
@@fernandohernandez9769 I think the Raiders should have stayed in LA. They were the more popular of the two teams at the time, and unlike the Rams they were still getting decent fan support.
Bill Fuckin' Belichick! Had the Rams beaten the Patriots in SB36, they'd still be playing in St. Louis today, I guarantee. Needless to say, that loss started the downward spiral for what was the greatest show on turf.
It’s still a better venue than Jacksonville Jaguars stadium. I say move that team to the Lou and they can still be in the AFC South with nearby Indianapolis and Nashville!
Actually the Jaguars stadium isn't all that bad, they just really don't care for football, being an expansion team with a state that already has 2 other teams.
@@H3roin1620 that’s because there’s Atlanta, Tampa, and Miami within driving distance to watch Pro Football. Jacksonville is more on College Football which is great too.
I always loved going to see my team play the Rams in this dome. That's because nobody showed up to support the Rams and you could get seats 5-15 rows from the field for super cheap. I remember buying 2 tickets for Halloween (Thursday night, maybe Monday Night) football 4 rows back from Endzone for less than $130. Also bought 2 tickets 35 yard line about 10-15 rows from the field for about the same price. It was awesome.
@@roccosteo8328 I loved the end zone seats. Randy Moss, Steve Young, and Jerry Rice stopped by at halftime for a few minutes to wave to us. We were probably less than 20 feet away.
I strongly believe that St. Louis will get a team back one day, that will stay there infinitely. It's simply a city that is too cool and loyal to its sports teams.
@@ErikCB912 I think the only place the Chargers should relocate to is back to San Diego, where they belong. I could see the Jaguars relocating to St. Louis or an future expansion team if the NFL decides to go that way.
@@wilhelmbeaston8003 I agree. The Chargers should have gone to Las Vegas and if staying in Oakland was not an option for the Raiders, they should have moved to LA. There are more Raider fans in LA than any other NFL team.
This sounds strikingly similar to the Key Arena in Seattle. Which many in Seattle know, ultimately, led to the Sonics being sold and then moved to Oklahoma City.
Seattle lets a bunch of losers take over city blocks while your coward police dept and mayor did nothing because they were afraid. Your city is a joke. I'd leave, too.
Edward Jones Dome might have been it’s last name but I’m pretty sure most people remember this as the TransWorld Dome, the Rams were pretty much only ever terrible during the years when Edward Jones was the sponsor.
That whole "built during the transition" thing is what caught out Guaranteed Rate Field (formerly New Comiskey Park), which was the last park built before the "new retro" phase of ballpark construction took place. It made it look dated almost from the day it opened-and not in the good way that Camden Yards or Target Field do.
LA metro area population: 13,131,431 St. Louis metro area population: 2,807,338 You do the math. If you were gonna buy a new stadium, which one do you think will reap greater profit potential. in the long run?
I agree. It would have been a lot cheaper, too. The riverfront stadium would have only cost about $1 billion, as opposed to the $5-6 billion that POS in LA cost (and he paid for that off the backs of Arsenal supporters).
the killing Stan is making with concerts in LA. Every concert from Mana to Bad Bunny are all being sold out. SoFi has way more to offer than Rams and Chargers, it is an entertainment capitol of one of the largest cities of the world. SoFi has already hosted a SB with Rams winning it all. This place is lit. No way that this happens in StL.
Failed as a football stadium? Oh yeah. Failed as a venue entirely? Not quite. As the Rams left, it opened the door for the Gateway Dirt Nationals, as the construction of the track would be too lengthy for NFL. Plus, the dirt got EVERYWHERE. But it's the perfect venue to get a little dirty in.
There seems to be a mindset that we need to build the Taj Mahal in order to be able to WATCH A STUPID FOOTBALL GAME. So that a bunch of billionares and millionares can feel that they are up to date with the Jones(pun intended) and some fans can have the delusion that are living in luxury.Just give me clean bathroom and short wait for food.I dont need the luxury experience
Our Dom3 doesn’t have to be abandoned and it has been seven yearz now since it been vacant; but da NFL can give us our expansion team that was givin two other market$ in da 90$.
Los Angeles Rams were in LosAngeles for 50 years before Georgia Frontier moved them to her home state.. there is so much more to it why and how she got ownership.. thankfully Rams back home in Los Angeles. Mad love to the Lou Rams Fans Rams fans all one horns up 🤘🏼
Used to go to the Dome all the way til 2016 when FIRST Robotics used to hold their world championships there. It was in serious disrepair the last couple of years. It leaked badly during torrential downpours which happen often in St. Louis ( we almost got hit by an F4 in 2012 during the event). My friend who is a radio producer in St. Louis and knows all the sports teams well since they broadcast their games heard that they are considering knocking the dome down to expand the convention center. Honestly I don't blame them.
The city did all they could to keep the team. Stanley didn't want to be there. Also STL. Is suing the NFL for billions for what they spent to prep a stadium and for lost revenue. I hope they win and pour the money into the Cardinals organization.
Politicians were too involved with the planning of the dome. In order to "sell it" (to get support of the local governments)...it was built as a "convention center" first...as opposed to a real NFL stadium. From that point on...everything else about the design was geared more towards its use as a convention space. This led to the interior lighting being installed too low (because the dome floor was lit by the same lights during conventions...they would be lowered). Apparently this was how the convention first proponents wanted it designed. This led to the roof & lights being so low that balls would sometimes hit the lights or ceiling (embarrassing). Then there were enough bathrooms for conventions....but not enough for games....and they weren't placed in the right locations. This reportedly led to long lines. The floor/turf was apparently rough for players...because again...the focus was not on the NFL....but on conventions...so that the misguided, self-serving politicians would buy into it and support the project. The turf had to be removable...to make room for conventions. So a softer field wasn't an option. The turf constantly had to be moved...so they went with what was cheap and easy to roll up. There were several other issues with how it was built. But yes...the seeds of failure were planted from the very beginning.
Maybe the sad ass Atlanta Falcons could move there soon. They will never win in ATL, and the Rams won in less than 5 years after relocating. STL gave ATL basketball, so it's time for ATL to return the favor.
The Falcons just got a new stadium, so obviously they're not going anywhere. The Jaguars would probably be the best bet if St. Louis were to ever get another team via relocation too.
I had a St. Louis stallions hat!!!!!! Got it at biglots dirt cheap when I was in junior high!!! I never new what it was. I just thought the logo was cool. Now I know🤣
I feel bad for Saint Louis pro football fans. They supported their teams well but got got messed over by situations total out of their control. I hope they get a pro team in the future & that the team ownership does right by their fans.
But the thing is, why do you need a $1B + stadium? IT DOSENT MATTER WHAT THE STADIUM IS!!! All you need in a stadium is to play a game where you take a football and put it into a painted turf. I don't understand why owners need a top tier facility for about 5 years before it gets outclassed. And then you cry to the city and their entire economic system in shambles. Just play in the goddamn stadium! And St. Louis has much bigger issues than throwing 1B to an owner to have a stadium and then spend another 1B 25 years later!
Jaguars' owner, Shahid Khan tried to buy the Rams in 2010. He entered into an agreement to buy 60% of the team from Chip Rosenbloom. However, Stan Kronke, a minority owner, exercised a clause to match any proposed bid. Khan is a University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign graduate. In other words, he's a homeboy who would have kept the Rams in St. Louis.
I remember going to a Rams Packers game towards the end of the lease and when I was inside I couldn't believe how small it felt compared to other stadiums.
It was a huge mistake to give Jacksonville a team instead of St. Louis. Over a period of 25 years, the Jags STILL don't have a strong local fanbase. St. Louis would have provided a fanbase similar to what the Chiefs enjoy in KC.
STL is a baseball town, not football, that's why the football Cardinals and Rams left, they could never draw the crowd the Chiefs do. Plus the stadium was horrible, went to it many times, and there is really nowhere to tailgate like in KC.
Quit using JAX as a scapegoat for STL's ineptitude. Be happy with your Blues and Cards, because that's the only teams that you will have in the foreseeable future.
I think you also have to point out that after the riots in St. Louis many wealthy people moved out. Fact of the matter is that's who goes to the games, a regular schmuck can not afford to pay close to $500 for a game.
With me living around St. Louis, I’ve only been there for supercross and monster jam. I had no issues with the venue. Others seemed to think otherwise.
Definitely do the Georgia Dome. Stadium wasn't even that old when they tore it down for Mercedes-Benz and it hosted so many big events throughout the years.
Diehard Rams fan from California..I flew to STL to watch games there and I had lots of fun there. I hope it doesn't get torn down sadly..So much great history there with GSOT🙏🙏
I didn't mind the Rams leaving until Kronke blatantly lied about the city and took a dump on the city that loved that team even though the Rams were terrible for years.
Baltimore- Mayflower van sneaking away in the middle of the night to Indy. Bob " drunk ass" Irsay - I'm not leaving Baltimore Cleveland- We built the Gund arena, the rock and roll hall of Fame and Jacobs field. Art Modell- what about the Browns? Why no new stadium for me? I feel your pain but Cleveland and Baltimore do still have teams. Cleveland- no team from '96-'99 and kept team name and all records. Baltimore- no team from '84-'96. New team name and colors. New records. Oh and 2 super bowl victories.
Kroenke could have easily approved the city's bid to build a new stadium on the riverfront, beig funded entirely by the city, but NO, he went and moved the team, and built a new stadium (SoFi) without ANY public tax money. Basically, Kroenke fucked an entire city. HARD. The Dome was an excuse and could have easily been fixed/replaced, yet Kroenke just wanted to move to LA as he felt his billionaire-ass would make more money there. The funny thing is that most people from LA don't give two shits and a bucket for either the Rams or the Chargers. So, as a result of the move, Kroenke just ruined his team's fanbase and his own reputation. Call that karma.
It is an outdated structure and has a lot of shortcomings but, people tends to forget tha even in this 2021 that place was the house of a Superbowl champion team nicknamed the greatest show on turf. We all know the owner never liked the city and how ironic it is that he's spent a fortune to relocate them but tha greatest show stil hasn't come back in L.A. Karma has its ways 😉
Yeah, but it's a hell of a lot more comfortable during the harsh winter months. That or if it's in a warm weather climate, where it's so hot during the beginning of the season for that matter also.
... and now we are making the same mistake Building a Stadium to host a Major Indoor Soccer League team that will fail just like the last 6 failed soccer teams have here.
Well that's an outdoor stadium in a cold weather climate, which automatically disqualifies it. The Super Bowl hosted in New York (but actually Jersey) will forever be the lone exception to that too.
Very unfair towards the dome. I was at the last game in the dome and can tell you that is is still a better facility than soldier field and Nissan stadium. It was all greed on P. Enis Kroenke. This will be proven in the upcoming lawsuit. Will be funny to see how much Enis and the NFL have to pay in damages.
I worked at the Dome for 17 years 1999-2015 with Delaware North-SportService. Seen nothing wrong with the Dome,but Kroenke being friends with Jerry Jones & Jones told Enus to use the lease to his full advantage. Whoever put that in the lease will never come foward on why he did it. I still can not get over how a place lost 3 teams can get a team again but a area that lose 2 teams can not get another team. Also, Kroenke did not meet guildlines to move,but with help with Jones he got his way. Jerry gave other owners money & only 2 say no. Now St.Louis does not have team no more. It not the city fault at.
Went to a game once and sat up high. Was too far away from the field, strangely quiet and I got bored. Almost took a nap. There was nothing special about it.
I actually liked the Jones dome. Ive only been once, but i thought it had a pretty cool, intimate feeling. You could really hear the players and hits and stuff. It was a fun experience.
I saw the Rams lose all three games that I saw them play there. It was an okay stadium. I found that the Titans and Bears had about as many fans at the games I attended as the Rams did. The Redskins were outnumbered by a decent bit but not overwhelmingly in fan support by the Rams for that other game.
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This is why cities shouldn’t pay for sports stadiums!!! Makes zero sense
Tax payers always pay for everything nowadays.
Correct! But when you have greedy millionaires and billionaires holding cities hostage and greedy idiotic politicians, it produces these horrible deals.
Only a few owners have In sports have self funded new sradiums, the last owner I'm aware that did it was Paul Allen for both his NFL team Seattle Seahawks and NBA team Portland Trailblazers.
@@H0DLTHED0R Seattle was a public funded stadium, ironically the new Rams stadium is privately funded.
@@scottrhodes1810 oh ok. Then I stand corrected.
@@H0DLTHED0R So why don't working class people use their money to survive? The top 10% make all the money and pay all the taxes
At least the won a super bowl before they left town.
AND ANOTHER NFC Championship as well!!
Only in the Lou, LA will never know this feeling
They Should have never left L.A. Georgia Frontier was a Fraud , never negotiated in good faith with ANAHEIM, she took the money and Ran. Now they are where they BELONG.
@@son0fsocal AMEN BROTHER!!!!
Man stl was winning back then the whole city plenty of decent jobs chrysler ford gm an tons of other places bush got in office stl went from sugar to shit expeditiously
I went to the BattleHawks home opener and I’ve gotta say....I don’t think it was a bad stadium at all. A few minor cosmetic updates inside such as newer seats and a bigger jumbo screen would make it even better. But I absolutely loved the dome!
Yes, the Dome was a lot more lively during those 2 Battlehawks games than it was for the Rams. Big difference when you actually have a team worth cheering for. Fingers crossed we get more games come 2023!
And brighten the interior with some more overhead lights. Games ov TV always made it look like the Rams were playing in a dingy warehouse.
@@Gage_Brumley Those are Band-Aids. The real problem for the Dome is the lack of natural light. The Dome could be good enough as a temporary venue for an NFL team now while a new one is being built but definitely not as a permanent home for a new team. Then again, the XFL might just be good enough for St. Louis.
Nevertheless, based on the high attendance for the Battlehawks, I have to think the NFL is taking a hard look at St. Louis to see if they can put a team there. My vote would be to move the Jaguars. Jacksonville is a soft NFL market that is not actually as big as it might seem on paper. The St. Louis metro area has A LOT more people than the Jacksonville metro area.
It's a shame that the NFL makes these cities jump through hoops and spend all this money just to have a team and the facility gets used by them 10 weeks a year. They make enough to build their own stadiums instead of stressing out their fans and holding them hostage. As a Raider fan I could never focuss on the season or the team because the inevitable would always be looming over everything like the elephant in the room. I hope smaller leagues like the XFL will come along and break their monopoly.
That's rough, man.
It certainly doesn't help that the Raiders were stuck playing in the Oakland Colosseum.
That's a special kind of hell where you either have to put up with teams and local governments fighting over paying $1 Billion for a new stadium, or be left to rot in an dilapidated shithole stadium that should've been replaced decades ago.
@@scaryhobbit211 and the league made enough to help the situation. They could've put up part of the money and made it back over the seasons from revenue. and concert events instead of pressuring a broke city to ignore their schools and other concerns and build them a new stadium. The fans were some of the best and they deserved better than what they got from the league and the politicians.
@@aaronblaylock2092 as devil's advocate, the league did offer 200 to 250 million to help with the Raiders' new stadium, wherever that was going to be. Raiders also took out a 600+ million dollar loan from Bank of America. Rest was paid by Vegas' hotel tax. It's not like Oakland and Alameda aren't used to wasting money. Why snub a team that wants to stay when you're still paying on the old stadium? Now they don't have the Warriors or the Raiders. That mayor Schaaf is a clown.
Lived the city of San Diego & the Chargers’ cluster for years. Chargers should have stayed! Lost their fan base & we fans lost all respect for ownership in the process. Ownership has ruined the Cowboys too.
I played HS football in MO back when teams played championship gm in the dome. 4 years of HS I had 1 mindset to make it to the dome but we always came short in the playoffs.
I’m sorry to hear that I’m in Ohio and our championship is at the hof stadium in canton after 4 years we made the playoffs for our senior season this year we didn’t make it to the championship but in the 2nd round we played canton McKinley and their home stadium is the hof stadium and we got to play there and we won
shame - in any case i hope you're doing well now man
same here (Hazelwood east) we always got so close
Talked to a guy who was on the stadium crew when I was there for the Big 12 Championship game between Nebraska and Texas. Naturally, because it was an indoor stadium and a convention center it had a concrete floor. The synthetic turf would be laid out for football games. When there was a convention they'd roll up the turf on these huge rollers where it would be placed in store rooms. The problem was the store rooms had not been designed tall enough to accommodate standard turf on the rollers. It wouldn't fit. Their solution was to use a thinner turf so when they rolled it up it would fit in the store rooms. Think laying a piece of carpet, with no padding, on a concrete floor. The guy said the Ram players complained about it all the time and many left the team when they could because of it.
Texas beating Nebraska helped Florida win the 1996 national championship ??
nhl or nba arenas are much more profitable than nfl stadiums. Thats a reality. Longer schedule, concerts, whatever. I never understood the profit of NFL public funded
because theres only so many nfl games a year. while nba arenas have tons of games. like over ten times as many games. a strictly nfl stadium needs to follow green bays road and just build one with the plans for updates and renovating every ten years. building a new one everytime is beyond crazy
A multipurpose NBA/NHL arena would hold 82 games a season. MLB ballparks hold 81 games a year. The NFL has a measly 8 or 9 home games per year. Not to mention how much cheaper it is to build an arena or ballpark compared to a football stadium. The value for money is definitely better for Arenas and Ballparks.
It also helps because most NHL and NBA teams share Arenas if they got multiple teams in the same city such as Red Wings and pistons do at Little Caesars Arena
When the Rams were good that dome was so loud that opposing teams hated to play there. But the team owner spent billions of his own money to build a stadium in Los Angeles so obviously money was not the problem, the fix was in. One problem the Dome had was parking space and no real place for tailgating.
BINGO! I had to go to Illinois to tailgate!
Kroenke was looking for an excuse to move the team to a bigger market because the billions he has was not enough. When you marry one of the heirs to Walmart and get the exclusive rights to build and lease properties attached to a Walmart, you can forget where you came from. St. Louis does not miss Kroenke.
This is what us here in Jacksonville fear with shad khan.
Arsenal want Kroenke gone as well.
Hi Gary. Have you thought about losing weight? You’re a big fellow and I worry about your health. God bless
@@proud90skid15 are you a walmart heir lol 🤣
@@proud90skid15 My health is just fine but I appreciate your sincere concern! Say hello to your Uncle Stan.
The dome was state of the art when it opened. The advantage of the dome was how loud it got. The dome was rocking and the loudest stadium in the NFL for some time. St Louis competed with Seattle when it came to crowd noise. I always loved hearing the comments from visiting fans "this place is loud". Don't forget the dome hosted some great events from rolling Stones to the largest indoor mass in the US with Pope John Paul II. Plus the only XFL city to sell out an upper section an hour. But the game was cancelled due to Covid.
I went there a few times to see the Rams play. It wasn’t a bad stadium.
I also think that it is pretty decent. The Edward Jones Dome is pretty unique, because it is a dark place. Plus, The Greatest Show on Turf never would've happened in a outdoor stadium, only for that the stadium had a good purpose.
it sucked....like watching a game in a morgue.
The Dome was great, it would get so loud when the rams were on defense. Definitely kinda ugly tho
Been there for 2 Rams games and that one Real Madrid- Inter Milan game. It had an awkward vibe to it and it didn't feel like I was in St. Louis
@@Jordozer Yeah, my impression from seeing the stadium on TV was that it was dark, but I liked that (I also like that the Superdome is super bright, so I can work either way).
I myself have been there before (I live in st.Louis) and I must say if it’s good for one thing. It’s for Monster Jam. Every year it’s nothing but insane and the floor is massive so it’s always special in the eyes of Monster Jam fans.
Fellow Monster Jam fan from the Detroit Area. Ford Field is far cooler stadium than the Silverdome. However, Monster Jams were far better at the Silverdome because of the larger floor space. I swear stadium amenities do not matter when it comes to those events.
Public tax dollars to help rich person get richer. St Louis got what it deserved.
Because it only happens in St Louis.
@@31446963048 St.Louis is an overgrown Hooterville!
@@dshooter6391 you should pursue being an internet authority
Awful venue. I saw one Rams game there, and the acoustics were horrible. I couldn’t understand a single thing the stadium announcer said.
Correct - I remember the Dodge Ram commercials blaring every break. The commercials never stopped.
Sounds much like the now demolished Silverdome in Pontiac, Michigan. The echo was awful and the upper deck was too damn far away from the game. At least it wasn't downtown but out next to the expressways.
Maybe it was just the accent
lmao
@@dnice5314 Jay Quellinn
Man I loved the dome. Loved hearing all of the “Kroenke sucks!” Chants at the battlehawks games
Domes-- YUCK, Real men play outdoors on real grass, 60s and 70s
@@trumplosthorribly4474 😂
And love how Stan The Man doesn’t care.
@@rspister Lawsuit lol
@@Yuan-lo3zz that affects me how?
You should do one on the old Boston Garden. That place was such a pit, visiting team locker rooms playing the celtics mysteriously had their hot water turned off and the rats in and under the building were legendary. The biggest shithole in history. Every time i went there something bad happened.
Hahahaha you ain't said nothing. Baltimore's old Memorial stadium was a dump also. But it was dubbbed ' the largest outdoor insane asylum' because of our passionate (rabid) fan base. You can see more on one of the first ever 30 for 30's on ESPN called " the band that wouldn't die" about the old colts marching band that stayed together after the Colts left for Indy in 1984.
Many would argue the Oakland Coliseum takes that honor even today.
@@derrickgoodman8434 jeez i forgot about memorial stadium thoses bmore fans are something else
The Boston Garden had some charm to it but it was a dump overall. I saw some Bruins games when I was a kid in the 70's and it was antiquated back then. Tiny and uncomfortable seats (many with obstructed views), no air conditioning, and those sloped walkways leading into the building always smelled like piss.
I dunno, either one of two stadiums in Buffalo (The Aud and Ralph Wilson) could make a viable claim to the "biggest shithole" crown. At least the Celtics and Bruins were fun to watch sometimes. The old ballpark in Cleveland might be up there too.
I loved stadium designs as a child and never thought anyone would ever take the time to review stadium history, design, and economics. I love this channel and wish I could give it three thumbs up but then that would be weird having a hand with three thumbs so I'll leave a positive comment with thanks- THANKS! :-)
Like the Hoosier Dome, the Edward Jones Dome was built "on spec", meaning that the stadium was built with the hopes of luring a team. As it was built on the cheap, it quickly served its purpose. Unlike Indianapolis, where they worked with the Colts to build a state of the art stadium, Stan Kroenke was intent on moving to Los Angeles. That said, and to his credit, the stadium was paid almost entirely with private funds.
Only AFTER the city voted down bond measures to pay for the new stadium
Pete- you mean Kroenke paid for the NEW Rams stadium built in Los Angeles....correct?
@@67marlins81 yes
Let's also give some credit to the late Joe Robbie, who I think paid for the Dolphins stadium with his own money back in the 1990s.
@@67marlins81 Yes he did. Just like Jack Kent Cooke built The Forum with his own money.
Why build a dome? The climate isn’t bad there. That made the stadium cost twice as much to build
Probably because they didn't have a team commitment when it was built. Make it open and you can't do as many concerts and events as you can in a dome...
yep....put a roof on it, and you can have events in january that you couldn't have in an open-air stadium.
@@randallfloyd4476 it’s a shame, St. Louis has a small but dedicated fan base. If the NFL wants to keep expanding it’s going to have to expand into other cities
@@Grassyknolldallas stl only cares about their cardinals lol.
The baseball cardinals of course.
@@MinecraftPlayer-uc1lv What about the Blues?
Hel of a 20 year run. Say what you want about the Doom. St louis showed up and showed out until it became clear that organization wanted to leave.. They turned the team into a clown show. I'm glad that St. Louis has moved on but they're building a new stadium for a soccer team . I hope they don't suffer the same faith.
Same with the football Cardinals
The RCA Dome never held a Superbowl
And it was built at least 12 years earlier!
I was gonna question you on that, but upon further research, you're right!
It was the copy of the Metrodome, would have been redundant, lol
Luckily San Diego wasn't as stupid as St Louis
San Diego residents was never going to pay for the stadium, a hotel tax would have funded it. San Diego voters said no because they hated Spanos.
The Ford Field and that stadium give me a weird vibe.
Ford field looks like it has a way much lower capacity than what it has. A hangar.
i always called it "the morgue."
From an average fan's perspective, sunlight, retractable roof, luxury suites / amenities don't mean anything. The game played here is as good (or as bad) as played anywhere else. It's all in the eyes of the owners. Owners, please pay for your own stadiums and stop extorting tax payers' money!
This place was so bad because St. Louis is really a great American city with so much history and so much to see, and this place embodied none of that. The Rams were basically playing in a dark convention center that had no personality and no soul. So many things they could have done with the St. Louis location and instead it was....this.
Well st Louis pretty much built it for the rams with they’re own money and Stan Kroenke used it as place to hide out until his team got better and he could move back to LA and never had plans to stay
Yes for example the st Louis Olympic games lol
@@irocz11 No, this place was not built for the Rams. It was built in hopes for an expansion team. When that did not happen, they went for a team. Unfortunately for St. Louis, it was the Georgia and John Shaw version of the Rams.
J Shaw is everything people hate about lawyers and he raked St. Louis over the coals with a lease that had numerous clauses in it that was beneficial only to the Rams. These clauses allowed Stan K the ability to move the team out of the city before the entire contract was completed.
I agree. Going to Cardinals and Blues games over the years, and when I finally went to a Rams game, it did not feel like a St. Louis home game.
@@irocz11 their
Who is here after the nfl explained stadium video?
I guess only you!
I've been to this place, though the seating was comfortable, facilities were clean, when you walked in there, it didn't feel like you were in a football stadium
I know, and while I never set foot inside of it myself, it seemed like a place where you wondered if you were really inside a football stadium, or maybe just a very large hockey arena instead! XD
Zero personality or sth that makes it unique
Bill Bidwell: "Build a domed stadium, or I'll move to Phoenix."
St. Louis: "No."
Bill Bidwell: (Moves to Phoenix.)
St. Louis: (Builds domed stadium) "Hey, NFL, can we have a team?"
NFL: "No, but Charlotte and Jacksonville can, because you couldn't take care of the one you had."
Rams: "Well go play in St. Louis"
NFL: "If you do we'll make you come out here and play the same teams anyway."
Rams: "Fine. Be that way."
NFL: "Fine. We will."
Rams: "This sucks. This town doesn't take care of their football teams. Let's go back to LA." (Moves back to LA).
St. Louis: "Hey, come check out our Boat Show. It's inside."
It's actually a little more complicated than that, but I think you've got the basics down.
@@skidawg22 I know- Gussie getting pissed that Bidwell didn't wanna sell his beer, the city agreeing to the ridiculous lease on the dome, Randy Karraker crying at the meeting...
I love how quick and to the point your videos are. I've been binging watching them for two days now.
It’s still the perfect dome for the gateway dirt nationals
Helll ya
What maybe once a year that doesn’t exactly print money.
@@ryansnow3170 they should turn the dome into a permanent dirt track
Never heard of it. Must be a huge money maker 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯
hell yeah. Motorsports venue hosting dirt racing, Monster Jam, and Supercross.
Well technically the RCA dome (shown in the video) never hosted a super bowl either. It was Lucas oil that hosted the super bowl. An entirely different building
It did host a Wrestlemania. And Final Four basketball.
But no, never a Super Bowl.
St Louis was so desperate to getting a NFL team back they were willing to agree to ANYTHING when Georgia Frontiere moved the Rams in 1995. The team was committed to St Louis as long as Georgia was alive since that was her hometown and preferred to stay there, but once she died and Stan took over full ownership, the Rams’ time in Missouri was over and it was only a matter of time before the Rams returned back to LA where they belong.
Never having hosting a Super Bowl is all you have to know
Still won
St.Louis never came close to meeting the NFL's criteria for hosting a Super Bowl. Namely lack of hotel space!
@@Yuan-lo3zz
What does them winning have to do with it?
The Rams left St. Louis just like the Raiders who won 2 Super Bowls as the Oakland Raiders left Oakland for a much better venue in Las Vegas.
Meanwhile St. Louis is left with a stadium they don’t need in a deal that hurts the city, not to mention lost revenue moving forward because all those vendors who made money off the Rams aren’t doing that anymore.
Try telling them the Rams “still won” which by the way is not the focus of this video.
@@moonytheloony6516 It’s pretty simple. Despite never hosting a super bowl game, encompassing the various issues of the franchise both on and off the field, St. Louis was one of the best city’s where football was played for a particular period of time, and great enough to win a championship. A primed football location, in a small market city, where success was still acclaimed. That is what matters at the end of the day, actually being able to win something with what you have; you understand it now Moony The Loony? Or do I have to dum it down even further for your understanding?
@@Yuan-lo3zz
Is that any way to talk to one of God’s children?
And to answer your question.
No you pretty much sound about as dumb as possible. I don’t think you can get any dumber but thank you for offering to be dumber. I know you’re good at that.
Now listen here Mr. Insecurity, I was talking about anything but the fan perspective when a team leaves town which, frankly speaking is a St. Louis trend being 0 for 2.
You didn’t like that…
Well Eric…guess how much sleep I’ll be losing over your feelings….check this out egghead.
0
Zero
Now go play frogger on the freeway.
Saw my first regular season NFL game at the Edward Jones Dome. It was the game Brett Favre broke the record for all time passing yards
Both teams that ditched LA in the 90s have since moved again. And it's because those cities entered crappy agreements, and never had a solid plan.
The rams should have never left LA
@@fernandohernandez9769 Glad they did
It because of Ownership and Stadiums were the real problem not Los Angeles
@@fernandohernandez9769 I think the Raiders should have stayed in LA. They were the more popular of the two teams at the time, and unlike the Rams they were still getting decent fan support.
I remember that crappy stadium and seeing a couple of fans in the dark.
Theater mode is ok but awful for TV show and environment
The Rolling Stones did a PPV there. I think it was 1997.
Only place I ever went to for a game, not even a Rams fan.
Packers?
I believe it is now known as the “Battle Dome”. Kakawwwwwww!!!!!!
The Louuu Invaderz could play in the Dome in 2022 when the XFL is returning in 2023!!! 2 make our Dome viable again the $300M renovation is needed!!!
Bill Fuckin' Belichick!
Had the Rams beaten the Patriots in SB36, they'd still be playing in St. Louis today, I guarantee. Needless to say, that loss started the downward spiral for what was the greatest show on turf.
Stan would have still left!
St.Louis got hosed !
Yep, alot of people point at city but was not city fault they lost the Rams. Alot of people point fingers at the NFL. I point mine at the NFL
St Louis hosed itself with that top tier clause.
It’s still a better venue than Jacksonville Jaguars stadium. I say move that team to the Lou and they can still be in the AFC South with nearby Indianapolis and Nashville!
Actually the Jaguars stadium isn't all that bad, they just really don't care for football, being an expansion team with a state that already has 2 other teams.
@@H3roin1620 that’s because there’s Atlanta, Tampa, and Miami within driving distance to watch Pro Football. Jacksonville is more on College Football which is great too.
Every St. Louis fan needs to watch this video.
I always loved going to see my team play the Rams in this dome. That's because nobody showed up to support the Rams and you could get seats 5-15 rows from the field for super cheap. I remember buying 2 tickets for Halloween (Thursday night, maybe Monday Night) football 4 rows back from Endzone for less than $130. Also bought 2 tickets 35 yard line about 10-15 rows from the field for about the same price. It was awesome.
The end zones are some of the worst spots to sit there.
@@roccosteo8328 I loved the end zone seats. Randy Moss, Steve Young, and Jerry Rice stopped by at halftime for a few minutes to wave to us. We were probably less than 20 feet away.
I strongly believe that St. Louis will get a team back one day, that will stay there infinitely. It's simply a city that is too cool and loyal to its sports teams.
Nothing cool about St Louis, lol.
I think the Chargers could go there one day. It’s only a matter of time until they leave LA.
@@ErikCB912 I think the only place the Chargers should relocate to is back to San Diego, where they belong.
I could see the Jaguars relocating to St. Louis or an future expansion team if the NFL decides to go that way.
@@ErikCB912 the Chargers whole look and electricity theme should have gone to Las Vegas. Raiders should have stayed in Oakland.
@@wilhelmbeaston8003 I agree. The Chargers should have gone to Las Vegas and if staying in Oakland was not an option for the Raiders, they should have moved to LA. There are more Raider fans in LA than any other NFL team.
Stan could have made a world class facility there too but that corporate greed.
It's so weird for Saint Louis not to have a NFL or NBA team. I know the city has shrunk dramatically, but the metro is still fairly large.
That's true. They should'nt have 2 teams in L.A. No one will watch the chargers.
@@addisonspengler9733 I foresee the Chargers leaving LA in 10 years.
@@PhilWorley That’s why the stadium is shaped like the rams logo, not the chargers.
Chargers will never leave. They are worth more $$$ in L.A than anywhere else.
@@addisonspengler9733 Hahahahaha the Raiders have a bigger fan base in L.A. than either of those teams💯👊
The hot dogs there were the best I've ever had.
That dome is a dump. No wonder the Rams left...
it was even hard to watch games on tv that were played here🤣 I remember they always sounded crappy and the color and light seemed bad for tv.
It would’ve been a great place for a Wrestlemania . That would’ve been awesome
Nah! Too small. Plus, Wrestlemania aims for an open-air setting now.
@@djtrankilo231 probably too small idk but wwe isn’t entirely aiming for open air settings
NFL Teams will cut a city and stadium much like they would cut an aging player.
This sounds strikingly similar to the Key Arena in Seattle. Which many in Seattle know, ultimately, led to the Sonics being sold and then moved to Oklahoma City.
Not really, but that's the narrative.
Seattle lets a bunch of losers take over city blocks while your coward police dept and mayor did nothing because they were afraid. Your city is a joke. I'd leave, too.
@@kent266 I can only imagine your "solutions".
@@seattleite6631 the police did nothing while they stormed the Capitol too 😂 I wouldn’t pay that guy any mind.
@@seattleite6631 equal justice. That's my solution.
Edward Jones Dome might have been it’s last name but I’m pretty sure most people remember this as the TransWorld Dome, the Rams were pretty much only ever terrible during the years when Edward Jones was the sponsor.
That whole "built during the transition" thing is what caught out Guaranteed Rate Field (formerly New Comiskey Park), which was the last park built before the "new retro" phase of ballpark construction took place. It made it look dated almost from the day it opened-and not in the good way that Camden Yards or Target Field do.
Kroenke paid for the entire new stadium in LA. I wonder why he couldn't spend his money in for a new stadium in St. Louis?
LA metro area population: 13,131,431
St. Louis metro area population: 2,807,338
You do the math. If you were gonna buy a new stadium, which one do you think will reap greater profit potential. in the long run?
I agree. It would have been a lot cheaper, too. The riverfront stadium would have only cost about $1 billion, as opposed to the $5-6 billion that POS in LA cost (and he paid for that off the backs of Arsenal supporters).
the killing Stan is making with concerts in LA. Every concert from Mana to Bad Bunny are all being sold out. SoFi has way more to offer than Rams and Chargers, it is an entertainment capitol of one of the largest cities of the world. SoFi has already hosted a SB with Rams winning it all. This place is lit. No way that this happens in StL.
Failed as a football stadium? Oh yeah.
Failed as a venue entirely? Not quite. As the Rams left, it opened the door for the Gateway Dirt Nationals, as the construction of the track would be too lengthy for NFL. Plus, the dirt got EVERYWHERE. But it's the perfect venue to get a little dirty in.
There seems to be a mindset that we need to build the Taj Mahal in order to be able to WATCH A STUPID FOOTBALL GAME. So that a bunch of billionares and millionares can feel that they are up to date with the Jones(pun intended) and some fans can have the delusion that are living in luxury.Just give me clean bathroom and short wait for food.I dont need the luxury experience
Our Dom3 doesn’t have to be abandoned and it has been seven yearz now since it been vacant; but da NFL can give us our expansion team that was givin two other market$ in da 90$.
Los Angeles Rams were in LosAngeles for 50 years before Georgia Frontier moved them to her home state.. there is so much more to it why and how she got ownership.. thankfully Rams back home in Los Angeles. Mad love to the Lou Rams Fans Rams fans all one horns up 🤘🏼
Now that SDSU New Venue iz almost completed; give us and SD brand new expansuon teamz.
The home of the 2022 royal rumble
St louis offered to build another stadium for the Rams. Sadly Kroenke is a greed SOB
Used to go to the Dome all the way til 2016 when FIRST Robotics used to hold their world championships there. It was in serious disrepair the last couple of years. It leaked badly during torrential downpours which happen often in St. Louis ( we almost got hit by an F4 in 2012 during the event). My friend who is a radio producer in St. Louis and knows all the sports teams well since they broadcast their games heard that they are considering knocking the dome down to expand the convention center. Honestly I don't blame them.
Great work man, been a fan of you channel for some time.
The city did all they could to keep the team. Stanley didn't want to be there. Also STL. Is suing the NFL for billions for what they spent to prep a stadium and for lost revenue. I hope they win and pour the money into the Cardinals organization.
At least from the outside, it had to be the worst looking stadium ever. On tv, the inside looked even worse.
Politicians were too involved with the planning of the dome. In order to "sell it" (to get support of the local governments)...it was built as a "convention center" first...as opposed to a real NFL stadium. From that point on...everything else about the design was geared more towards its use as a convention space. This led to the interior lighting being installed too low (because the dome floor was lit by the same lights during conventions...they would be lowered). Apparently this was how the convention first proponents wanted it designed. This led to the roof & lights being so low that balls would sometimes hit the lights or ceiling (embarrassing). Then there were enough bathrooms for conventions....but not enough for games....and they weren't placed in the right locations. This reportedly led to long lines.
The floor/turf was apparently rough for players...because again...the focus was not on the NFL....but on conventions...so that the misguided, self-serving politicians would buy into it and support the project. The turf had to be removable...to make room for conventions. So a softer field wasn't an option. The turf constantly had to be moved...so they went with what was cheap and easy to roll up.
There were several other issues with how it was built. But yes...the seeds of failure were planted from the very beginning.
How about an exhibition game in St Louis between the Rams and Cardinals? Too soon..?.
Maybe the sad ass Atlanta Falcons could move there soon. They will never win in ATL, and the Rams won in less than 5 years after relocating. STL gave ATL basketball, so it's time for ATL to return the favor.
Nope.
The Falcons just got a new stadium, so obviously they're not going anywhere. The Jaguars would probably be the best bet if St. Louis were to ever get another team via relocation too.
I had a St. Louis stallions hat!!!!!! Got it at biglots dirt cheap when I was in junior high!!! I never new what it was. I just thought the logo was cool. Now I know🤣
I feel bad for Saint Louis pro football fans. They supported their teams well but got got messed over by situations total out of their control. I hope they get a pro team in the future & that the team ownership does right by their fans.
But the thing is, why do you need a $1B + stadium? IT DOSENT MATTER WHAT THE STADIUM IS!!! All you need in a stadium is to play a game where you take a football and put it into a painted turf. I don't understand why owners need a top tier facility for about 5 years before it gets outclassed. And then you cry to the city and their entire economic system in shambles. Just play in the goddamn stadium! And St. Louis has much bigger issues than throwing 1B to an owner to have a stadium and then spend another 1B 25 years later!
So many tax dollars wasted on the NFL. It is really a shame. But Rome does like their gladiators. 👎
Yep
I guess the St. Louis Jaguars could move into it until a new stadium is built.
Jaguars' owner, Shahid Khan tried to buy the Rams in 2010. He entered into an agreement to buy 60% of the team from Chip Rosenbloom. However, Stan Kronke, a minority owner, exercised a clause to match any proposed bid. Khan is a University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign graduate. In other words, he's a homeboy who would have kept the Rams in St. Louis.
How about Los Angeles. Building a new multi
Billion dollar stadium for NFL that hates America.
LoL.
I remember going to a Rams Packers game towards the end of the lease and when I was inside I couldn't believe how small it felt compared to other stadiums.
It was a huge mistake to give Jacksonville a team instead of St. Louis. Over a period of 25 years, the Jags STILL don't have a strong local fanbase. St. Louis would have provided a fanbase similar to what the Chiefs enjoy in KC.
STL doesn't deserve a team.
STL is a baseball town, not football, that's why the football Cardinals and Rams left, they could never draw the crowd the Chiefs do. Plus the stadium was horrible, went to it many times, and there is really nowhere to tailgate like in KC.
St Louis has failed twice
@@theredbirds3896 KC barely started getting the bandwagons bruh what you talking about. LMFAO 😂😂😂
Quit using JAX as a scapegoat for STL's ineptitude. Be happy with your Blues and Cards, because that's the only teams that you will have in the foreseeable future.
I think you also have to point out that after the riots in St. Louis many wealthy people moved out. Fact of the matter is that's who goes to the games, a regular schmuck can not afford to pay close to $500 for a game.
It always reminded me of Busch Stadium II with a roof. I did see U2 during the Pop Mart tour their, that was awesome, still a great memory.
With me living around St. Louis, I’ve only been there for supercross and monster jam. I had no issues with the venue. Others seemed to think otherwise.
Can you do Shea Stadium next or the Georgia Dome?
I loved Shea but it was terrible. Loud noises and it always smelled like pee.
Definitely do the Georgia Dome. Stadium wasn't even that old when they tore it down for Mercedes-Benz and it hosted so many big events throughout the years.
Thiz venue needz to be renovated; and it will be ready for da Chargerz if they're sold to an minority ownership group.
Diehard Rams fan from California..I flew to STL to watch games there and I had lots of fun there. I hope it doesn't get torn down sadly..So much great history there with GSOT🙏🙏
I didn't mind the Rams leaving until Kronke blatantly lied about the city and took a dump on the city that loved that team even though the Rams were terrible for years.
Georgia backstabbed Los Angeles. Kroenke just fixed a wrong
Baltimore- Mayflower van sneaking away in the middle of the night to Indy.
Bob " drunk ass" Irsay - I'm not leaving Baltimore
Cleveland- We built the Gund arena, the rock and roll hall of Fame and Jacobs field.
Art Modell- what about the Browns? Why no new stadium for me?
I feel your pain but Cleveland and Baltimore do still have teams.
Cleveland- no team from '96-'99 and kept team name and all records.
Baltimore- no team from '84-'96. New team name and colors. New records. Oh and 2 super bowl victories.
Kroenke could have easily approved the city's bid to build a new stadium on the riverfront, beig funded entirely by the city, but NO, he went and moved the team, and built a new stadium (SoFi) without ANY public tax money.
Basically, Kroenke fucked an entire city. HARD. The Dome was an excuse and could have easily been fixed/replaced, yet Kroenke just wanted to move to LA as he felt his billionaire-ass would make more money there. The funny thing is that most people from LA don't give two shits and a bucket for either the Rams or the Chargers. So, as a result of the move, Kroenke just ruined his team's fanbase and his own reputation.
Call that karma.
It is an outdated structure and has a lot of shortcomings but, people tends to forget tha even in this 2021 that place was the house of a Superbowl champion team nicknamed the greatest show on turf.
We all know the owner never liked the city and how ironic it is that he's spent a fortune to relocate them but tha greatest show stil hasn't come back in L.A.
Karma has its ways 😉
I hate domed stadiums it takes the fun & excitement outa the elements of weather at least in my opinion
Yeah, but it's a hell of a lot more comfortable during the harsh winter months. That or if it's in a warm weather climate, where it's so hot during the beginning of the season for that matter also.
Can u blame the rams for leaving🤷♂️
... and now we are making the same mistake Building a Stadium to host a Major Indoor Soccer League team that will fail just like the last 6 failed soccer teams have here.
No doubt
Fed Ex Field+ no Super Bowl too dude.
Well that's an outdoor stadium in a cold weather climate, which automatically disqualifies it. The Super Bowl hosted in New York (but actually Jersey) will forever be the lone exception to that too.
Cool video. You got a business email by any chance?
They would hold WCW Slamboree 1999 there and an Episode of WCW Monday Nitro in 2000 there
poorly planned and 'set up to fail' are two different things...
Very unfair towards the dome. I was at the last game in the dome and can tell you that is is still a better facility than soldier field and Nissan stadium. It was all greed on P. Enis Kroenke. This will be proven in the upcoming lawsuit. Will be funny to see how much Enis and the NFL have to pay in damages.
I worked at the Dome for 17 years 1999-2015 with Delaware North-SportService. Seen nothing wrong with the Dome,but Kroenke being friends with Jerry Jones & Jones told Enus to use the lease to his full advantage. Whoever put that in the lease will never come foward on why he did it. I still can not get over how a place lost 3 teams can get a team again but a area that lose 2 teams can not get another team. Also, Kroenke did not meet guildlines to move,but with help with Jones he got his way. Jerry gave other owners money & only 2 say no. Now St.Louis does not have team no more. It not the city fault at.
When the Rams left St. Louis, I lost interest in the NFL. I did watch 2 super bowls since then though.
Went to a game once and sat up high. Was too far away from the field, strangely quiet and I got bored. Almost took a nap. There was nothing special about it.
lmao
I actually liked the Jones dome. Ive only been once, but i thought it had a pretty cool, intimate feeling. You could really hear the players and hits and stuff. It was a fun experience.
Yea the concourse was shit tho at the end like they never painted the thing
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I saw the Rams lose all three games that I saw them play there. It was an okay stadium. I found that the Titans and Bears had about as many fans at the games I attended as the Rams did. The Redskins were outnumbered by a decent bit but not overwhelmingly in fan support by the Rams for that other game.