How to Sell Beats Without Getting Screwed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- How to sell beats AND get your splits and royalties: This is unfortunately something many producers struggle with and MANY do not even know they are entitled to royalties and song co-ownership. I explain why producers deserve equity, how copyrights in music work and how producers can effectively negotiate with rappers.
Collab on a beat with me: bsta.rs/227bd24
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#sellingbeatsonline #beatstars #beatselling #2023
00:00 - Intro
01:54 - Rappers Don't Pay Royalties?!
06:07 - Producers, You Deserve Better
07:08 - Beats Are Copyrights
09:50 - Collect These Royalties
10:50 - Producers Should Get Master Royalties
11:31 - Producers Should Get Writer's Splits
12:48 - Producers Get Paid Twice?
14:06 - Tell THIS to Rappers
17:11 - Rappers Get Their Money, Producers Get Theirs
Selling beats online 2023 - เพลง
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Can TH-cam be a vehicle to correct this bad bussiness? 100% profit for artists? Copyright and all?
@@bodyboardingchronicles602 how?
Bro i totally agree with you and i believe that you gave a valad point and recommendation that i intend to use in the future and present when dealing with Artist. Offer a recoupment for the money they spent for the beat. And then after they recoup back from the beat we start the splits. I think that is a great idea to add in a beat lease agreement. Thanks Pain 1. Sometimes we all can find Common ground in this world of Music Business especially for independent Producers and Artist relationship that hopefully can blossom. i would love to collab with you someday. I like your body of work.
The link to the chart says it has been removed... 🎛
You have been a big inspiration In my producer journey, would appreciate it if you checked out my beats big bro,,
I think producers deserve %50 if not more. I went to a Drake concert and watched him jump around the stage for a couple of hours & if it wasn’t for the beats he wouldn’t be able to even tour.
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I’m so surprised Ruslan had that take, especially for his tenure in the music industry. Anyway, seems like artists are always willing to cut corners for the very thing that makes them an artist in the first place- the beat.
I was just about to say this 😂
I think this is absolutely reasonable and it’s been around forever. I appreciate your approach to this topic because a lot of artists and producer go at it and really they don’t have to. Having a solid team matters. Having a fair business relationship and arrangement matters. ‘Preciate it, happy 2023
Happy 2023
Thank for your videos bro. I’m finally to a point where I feel my music is good enough to sell, but don’t want to rush in before I understand the business side. Your videos have been very helpful. Keep up the great work.
Happy to help
I remember that when I got my first (and last to date) placement in 2014, I remember being glad that I actually got 50% of the composition and the recording copyright royalties. Back then I knew absolutely nothing about copyright in music business.
Wow, it sounds like you've come a long way since your first placement in 2014! I bet you're a pro at navigating the world of copyright and royalty distribution now. Did you ever think back then that you'd be where you are now? It's always exciting to see how far we've come and the progress we've made. Keep on rockin' that music biz game!
You have to appreciate how thorough this dude is. Even if someone disagrees or wants to bash, they still can't deny dude's knowledge and even research before he even opens his mouth publicly.
That 2 way split chart. And the recoupment breakdown. Gold gems
Thank you for recognizing that.
I’m glad you put these people on blast.
Keep doing that please, this is probably the biggest issue in the beat
selling/leasing business. 💯
Thanks DJ Pain. The world needs more big brothers like you who reach, teach and clear the smoke.
thx for posting this needed to hear it
These are all facts bro
Every song is a piece of digital real estate that creates opportunity for everyone whose involved
And no one should be left out on the gains of their work
I needed this. 🙏🏻
Never take less to appease someone who undervalues you!. that ownership or rights you give away could be your life changing opportunity!. ...set the expectation from jump!
Amazing video!! this is the best explanation of royalties I’ve ever heard. I’m sharing this with every rapper and producer I know🔥🔥
Clearing up a lot of confusion out here. Keep gaming us up OG 🙏🏽
I was seeing your tweets about this subject and I'm glad you did a full vid on it.
Will show this to artists! THANK YOU 🙏 for making this video!
This is "Music" to my ears.
Well spoken, well presented, and well said!
Thank You!
Glad you made this video 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Us aspiring producers need all the education we can get!
Always dropping gems 💎
Thanks for the education man! Hella insightful! 🤙
I appreciate you sharing your knowledge Pain1. Protect the producers!! Keep up the great work!
Thank you
This answered 80% of my questions and how to negotiate for royalties too and the reason why. And I understand a little bit how these royalties work now. Thanks🔥
Straight fire this video helped me put together information I've been researching for years.
glad i subbed 💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️💆🏽♂️
Already started watching, love your music
That was some good information, will go back and re-watch
Appreciate the info mang 🙏🏽💎
A1 thumbnail and content. Always love these episodes bro. That flow chart is 🔥
appreciate you watching
If i can't afford a beat posted "free". I'll oblige and use the tagged or labeled free beat. Not expecting any royalties. Basically giving my rendering to the producer free in return for the help in marketing my brand with the said beat. Either way I think producer is just as important as the emcee.
Reasonable and logical insight, Pain1.
Awesome. Absolutely agree 🔥
I'm always going to support you homie. You are one of the realest I just like I said I got an idea that's formulate. Spiritual guidance is going to be needed for this little idea. But you always say a determined mind could get a lot of things done. And I know I comment on a lot of your stuff but anything that you deem that I ever said disrespectful you don't have to accept my apology but I do apologize
THANK YOU for you this video 🙏🏾 please let more people understand this in 2023 and onwards
Appreciate the knowledge Pain 👍🏿
Any time!
We producers deserve WAY MORE
This video is one of the best pieces of content ever in the community. Thank you man.
I appreciate that!
🤜🏽🤛🏽 thanks for this
Thanks for sharing this Pain!
appreciate you watching
Thanks pain 1 for the quality information.
Great info!
All facts G!💪🏽💯🚀
Respect💯👊
Thank you for the chart and the explanation! 💎
Any time!
This was an extremely informative and helpful video 💯
Thanks for watching
Thank you for sharing this video. I really appreciate the insight and detailed explanations. If only there were more big name producers in the industry like yourself that were willing to vocally advocate these points so it is more widely known to prevent unscrupulous labels, managers, and artists from deliberately pushing false narrative and lies to cheat unknown producers and beatmakers from receiving the fair share they are entitled to... Labels always recover their expenses before they begin paying royalties to the artists so artists can certainly do the same. It just seems like they are unwilling to give up any benefits to the producers or beatmakers.
The thumbnail had me rolling lmfao 😂Great video Pain we appreciate you a lot !
Thank you for watching!
Salute for more gem worthy content 🙏 DJPain1 the Goat
I personally believe we need to seat down as Producer and events and knowledge workshops were were Producers like you can raise up such issues and deal with them
Thank you for your videos
I appreciate YOU 🙏🏽
I love you Dj Pain okay!! You are so loving and protecting likeee!! Thank you for taking care of us ❤️🫶🏾
Good job
Pain u flying over the Haters heads lol! You 💯 On point.
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Appreciate this Pain
THanks for watching!
Game 🙏🏾the checks follow the art
Good to know.
It's interesting how this problems goes over around the world, down here in Brasil ain't different, the real problem is the lack on information that everyone can have just reading the constitution about copyrights, it's free and you don't have to hire an attorney for understand, it's easy to comprehend.
Me and some other producers here make a kinda work similar to your, helping people in this music industry, it's not easy but it worth the struggle! Best vibes Bro and keep it going, grind dont stop!!
Thumbnail makes it look like you have a comb over to the visually impaired . It actually suits you Pain 😂
Thanks Pain! I truly appreciate you!
Any time!
Great video 🙏🏻
Thanks for watching!
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That still pic is wild 😂
Great video
I’m glad I read This Business of Music back in the late 90s… And I advise everybody in the game to read it
King Pain ty
Honestly if anyone deserves 50% it's the producer we create the whole vibe and foundation of the song all the rapper does is add lyrics no one dances or zones out to acapellas and then a record label proceeds to make the majority of the money off of somethin they didn't create in many cases just to market and sell it time for a change fuck them labels
Bottom line is in this free market everyone gets what they deserve, and the deserve what they get... Always put great value on yourself, but don't expect others to always see that value.
Good content bro...salute 🙏🤲👆☝️🙌💞
Wow you are such a valuable source of learning for me right now thank you so much.
May I sound really newbie and ask what a point is please?
How do you get PRO's?
May I request you do a video on music business terminology for beat makers perhaps with a text download?
Amazing how too many beat makers don’t know what an SR and a PA form is… Yet alone a PRO.
#300 .....Spartan's hit that 👍 up for this Gem
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This is a bit embarrassing. I commented on your community post where I mentioned "publishing" instead of "composition." Now, I know better, thanks to this video! This is something I should rewatch from time to time.
It’s not embarrassing: virtually everybody does that
I think the main reason why producers have reached this low point is misinformation. I mean, there are so many "music gurus", fake experts giving so much wrong information that young producers just don't know how to value their work. And the truth is that no one knows how to value properly the production work in this business. There is no standard reference for prices. Can't blame nobody for selling cheap just because they don't have the necessary information..It's just my opinion ✌️
Ideal #summer #trendinghub
Thank you for this, I’ve been making making beats for years and was just thinking about sending some beats out to some artists I really like. I’m from the Bay Area but am hesitant that if someone likes one of my beats and wants to purchase it how to go about it. It would be dope if they sent me a contract or something to review it with someone like you so I understood the verbiage and everything I was getting or not getting but I’ll keep watching or rewatch these videos to game myself up. Thanks bro
I don't get why it's so difficult to look this up and find out. I guess it's an awareness thing, I don't know. All songs have 2 sets of copyrights.
2 1/2 Questions:
As someone that has a relatively high volume of sales, on a consistent basis, how do you keep track of all those recoupments? And, how do you arrange them when dealing with various distributors who may or may not offer splits, let alone recoupments?
What section(s) of the BeatStars lease agreement would need to be amended in order for such terms to apply as a contractual obligation?
Producers does marketing too, wenhave to pay for loops, vst subscriptions, Beatstars subscription. Recupments should only be paid when an advance is paid by the artist or label, not when they lease a beat
Thank you ☝️ see a lot of comments on pains vids from artists saying “i have to pay to market, promote, do this that blah blah, then producers wants more money? He didnt help with any of it!”
Bro if thats the case, where was your ass when I was making the fire track that got you inspired to bring pen to paper? Where were you when I was spending thousands on vsts and gear while im broke 😂
I really appreciate you making this video, I am relatively new to all of this and am trying to inform myself on how to do business properly when it comes to selling beats I've made. I am learning it can be pretty confusing and difficult to get something I've sampled cleared with the proper people and companies. I am hoping to get more information on whether the loops and one shots from sites like splice and even bandlab are as cut and dry to use (do they need to be cleared with splice or the producers they work with if they're used in a beat I make?) or are they actually just using language that makes it appear that the loops are there and free for the taking, you don't have to clear anything and you can even use it with no change to the loop (transposing the loop, speeding up or slowing down the bpm, adding effects or filters, etc) I don't if this is a dumb question or not but I think it would be even more ignorant to not know and still not bother to ask the question....thanks for the free game man, I definitely didn't know about this side of getting music out there 💯💯
I love everything you have said boss, the only challenge I have is, over here 🇳🇬
You would pay huge sums for production and still do your music promotion alone which the song may or may not blow up
Once the song blows up, same producer you paid hugely, would pop up out of no where for royalties so where is the justice for us up-and-coming artists
When it's not every producer that would want a Recouped bargain
It’s not out of nowhere; please learn about how the music business works.
Good food
Thank you I'm learning lot from you. Sharing these information videos with my music producing family.
5he other thing to note is that, having this mentality and approach to royalities (the initial negative propositiin) may eventually encourage the larger labels to take even more advantages, playing on this kind of reckless ignorance with misunderstanding intellectual property rights.
Don't buyers see this eventual dichotomy? Would they except the same from labels buying their music? Doubt it
What do you think?
The patience of this man…
Breaking it down 🤓
12:50 bro u r OG no cap
Love this video. I have a follow up question. I want to think I know the answer, but maybe I don't. When a producer takes a known song that already has chords, lyrics, melody, etc and does a Remix, makes a new version w a different beat, but based on the oroginal vocals, chords and melody, is it the same splits as an original produced beat? Thanks! 👑
I think recoup should end at producer price then everyone at zero. It gets complicated when artist might claim unrealistic figure for marketing. Their marketing input should be equal to producers marketing and years of study and investment. Could be simplified at a 15-30% cap for the producer, just to allow them headroom.
Golden info always dropping gems.
I do after 1 year of learning to mix 💯 agree that y'all deserve to get paid. What I see missing are options, not enough. For instance if a musician believes that their vocal on the best is a hit than a producer is like that's nice, but they got no hits so ya sell that exclusive to a bomb beat you may never get paid if it's whack. So I understand exclusives costing 2k and up to 10k but on the flip side why not offer something that makes the musician work just as hard and so Incitivize with a sales gimmick that protects you as a producer. Offer 100% Fully refundable on exclusives if the return hits double the investment so producer gets their money, if it's a hit than both you all still get paid, however the artist/musician feels confident enough than thier investment is 100 on them to put into the work to make it a hit. Which is something as an artist would not be mitch bade about. So I hear what you say on the recoop, but maybe sell it like. No future in fronts lol. Pay the standaed fee right now.
Hey pain can I ask u a question, let’s say I get someone like really big to hop on my beat and ofc the label wants to lowball me so I negotiate with a higher amount and they say no, but I tell them that I’m sticking with my offer and won’t change it. Will they most likely just accept the offer eventually or will they go to another producer to remake another beat for the artist?
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I'm new to this but I have been producing beats for years, just haven't released anything yet. I was thinking of putting it on beatstars but I never understood the royalty system. I just thought once you dell a beat its theirs and we don't see the backend of the royalties come through...which is why I was considering sync licencing. But if you are saying that for each beat sale we make on beatstars we can get royalties, how do we set that system up? Sorry I'm really new to music biz. Love bro!
The more you learn about the music scam, the more you rather be the pimp of the masters and the controller of recording contracts.... If you ever have the luck to work with the majors you will still have to be lucky enough to make a hit or work with a Platinum artist that sells. Its one in a million shot in the dark. This game anit for everyone...... At this point am just in it for the hell of it....
Hey man. First off, I love your videos, as a producer just starting out, I’m learning so much from you so thanks for that 😁
So I was reading down through the standard automatic Beatstars license and I noticed this section:
“Subject to the Licensee’s compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement, Licensee shall not be required to account or pay to Producer any royalties, fees, or monies paid to or collected by the Licensee (expressly excluding mechanical royalties), or which would otherwise be payable to Producer in connection with the use/exploitation of the New Song as set forth in this Agreement.”
Forgive me if I’ve missed something but does that mean if I were to just use their license template I’d be giving up my claim to a master split? If so, I’ve got a few questions.
Is that standard for leases? As in, are you referring in this video specifically to exclusive licenses and placements?
And if not, should I be looking at creating my own license agreement? I downloaded a template a few years ago off a producer who I shall not name’s website which I seem to have misplaced and it now looks like they’ve since changed it so you have to pay for their template but I seem to remember seeing that it included a split for both.
Sorry for waffling and thanks for taking the time to read.
P.s I got your pack Drums That Hit and it’s dope, the vinyl fills bonus was a nice touch.
Peace.
Wyrmhole.
Yeah, the default doesn’t give master royalties to the producer, but it does give producers master ownership. That part can be confusing. You can change that agreement to include a royalty percentage on the master side. In my experience, many artists just ask what we want if they’re willing to give a split in general. Recoupment is often more complicated than artists and producers are willing to figure out.
@@DJPain1 Thanks man, appreciate it!
In terms of recoupment, can that work in the opposite way?
For example, say a basic license is 30 and an unlimited license is 200. If an artist were to buy a basic license and it blew up way past the terms in the license agreement, could you as a producer recoup to make up the extra 170 ?
Equity? I know the royalties are built equity right? I know, just shut up Kira right? I guess you can look at it as deposits to the success. Huh? Good info like you do. Thanks Pain
Where can I find more business related videos like this Dj Pain
Dilly, busy works, KXVI, heatit
DJPain 1 is the Coach Greg Doucette of the producer world 😆
Haha, I love it! DJPain 1 definitely knows how to whip those beats into shape and take them to the next level, just like Coach Doucette does with his athletes! 🎵🏋️♂️
Appreciate the knowledge. Also the link doesn't work.
That hairline in the thumbnail makes you look like Romeo Santos 😂