Stop Selling Beats Online And Do THIS Instead (less saturated)
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Stop Selling Beats Online And Do THIS Instead (less saturated)
Everywhere you look there's another TH-cam producer showing you how to sell beats online. But, artists who buy beats online are just ONE market and most pop, electronic, and rock producers will make way more money working directly with artist clients. The majority of artists (outside of hip hop) still want to hire a producer directly for custom work Thats why sites like SoundBetter are massive - it's a thing.
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Hey man...great information, how do we find this artists, were do we go?
Strangely I've have gone in the opposite direction recently. I've been producing songs with artists for 20 years, but now I've started the beat game. Writing a song with an artist can take months. I can write 2-3 beats a day. 1/3 of all music bought and streamed globally is HipHop. It may seem saturated but in reality it is the largest market. Doing both things seems more beneficial than choosing one over the other. Great vid tho, hopefully you inspire beat makers to become producers as well.
If someone is going to do it, it's this way. You worked with artists which I assume allowed you to bring in some money, learn the ins/outs of artist's needs, and build a track record... Then pivot to other models. You'll have an advantage over someone who is just getting into it. My production company did this as well. After we were making money and had a track record we opened a beat platform for pop artists. It did work pretty well, but only because of the foundation it was built on. Hopefully my video didn't come off as this is the "only way". As you know, it isn't. No way is right or wrong. It just comes down to sequence. Appreciate you sharing your thoughts, bro! Thanks for watching. And thanks for calling out the thing about "saturation". You're right. Saturation doesn't mean the winners won't stand out.
1/3 is actually smaller. 2/3 is the majority which isn't hip hop so that's where the money is.
@@OfoeNelson I don't think you understand how fractions work. There are hundreds of genres. 1 genre is 1/3 of the marketplace. 2/3 is made up of all the other genres combined. If you slice up the 2/3 left over into hundreds of slices. That's a teeny slice of the pie left over for each genre. If you specialise and you should specialise if you wish to grow a business. Then it is by far the largest single marketplace.
@@NoQualmsTheArtist I understand fractions perfectly. But my analysis was a pop v hip hop analysis. Which is an attempt to over simplify things. Pop still rules especially since some pop also has hip hop elements in its production.
If you're including other genres then there is no way hip hop takes 1/3 of the global market against every other genre. Some countries don't even listen to hip hop. Hip hop is also subdivided into an infinite number of subgenres from across the globe. What you call hip hop would be called edm by another person so this is not a simple matter and neither one of us is fully qualified to make conclusive statements on. Unless you're a working statistician or analyst working with the raw data?
@@joshsansom1971 facepalm for what? 😐
I have a non-commercial studio. I don't advertise, I take on the projects I want, and I get plenty of work producing full tracks from scratch tracks and this has been an amazing side hustle. This is truly the way to go.
Yessir!
How do you get your work though if you flow like this?
@@creatureprod it just takes time and creating a network. I have been a touring musician since 2008 so I’ve built up a network that way
I know that’s probably not the answer you wanted but honestly it just takes time and reps. Eventually you’ll work with people you really like and build up those relationships
@@Squidaniel I got a lot of work ahead of me then🤘🏻 thank you for the fast reply ! I hope to be in your shoes one day 😌
@@Squidaniel Hi, when you say touring musician is it linked with DJying in a way?
Refreshing to hear this. Been feeling there must be a better way for those of us who can do more than make a beat! Thanks for taking the time to share this out~
Thank you for this video. I was sort of thinking like this but you actually made sense of it and gave me clarity. I have to do some groundwork but this video helped a lot already.
Hey, I'm starting out (almost) from scratch in music production and it's a good idea to market to artists. I didn't realize I could build artist-client relationships like that.
Also, what you said here struck me as relevant "The cheaper the product or services, the harder it is to make money with it.", "The cheap market is the most competitive.", "The sequence of how you do business, matters.", "You can make more of an impact on the artist that you're working with."
I'm going to add, that, when working with any artist a constructive critical review of their work is absolutely necessary (and they must be able to handle it), because If you can't address your own work constructively, then you fail to grow out of your comfort zone and you don't have the desire to break rules and experiment with your sound, you end up sounding like everyone else and enjoying the result of your lukewarm efforts. You become comfortably numb. Do you know that saying "Art should disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed."? There's a lot of truth to that.
The good thing about leasing beats is setting and forgetting. I still make money off beats I dropped 4 years ago, so each beat is like a small investment. 10 years from now I'll still have hundreds of beats being sold passively online. Not dissing your thought process, both methods are effective.
Hey man! Thanks for watching and chiming in. In theory this all makes sense. In practicality, the chances of those tracks being relevant in 10 years is low based on data I've seen with clients of mine. So it makes more money upfront than it does at the end. That's not really a "set it and forget it" type of investment. For example, real estate, for the most part, continues to appreciate over time. So, generally what happens is that you have to keep making new beats (which you aren't earning any upfront money on) to replenish the older ones that aren't selling anymore. This is totally fine of course, but that isn't technically "passive" income. However, production music (library music) for synchronization would better describe what you're hoping to do. It's way less "trend based" and the songs have longer shelf life in general (listen to the music in any reality show... Isn't ground breaking but it serves the purpose). With all of this said... Business isn't black and white. Everyone should explore all of the ways and see what they dig. Much love, man. Your tracks sound great!
@@darklabelmusic I agree with you. I'd just like to add that my tracks are more of a 90s style which is already 20 years old and still relevant, mainly due to nostalgia. I'm sure that classic boom bap style will never go out of style, it may not be mainstream but its still loved by millions
@@ILLFortune Ah, very true. Fair point!
@@ILLFortune your beats sound great bro. I love boombap style too, are you able to live off selling boom bap beats?
man thats where im at and ready to move in that direction.thanks looking forward to more infi
Appreciate you watching! Good luck with the new direction.
Exactly what I needed to clarify my own view of the industry atm. Subbed.
Thanks for watching, Isaac!
This actually makes a lot of sense, because I’ve posted beats online before, and had artist ask me if I had a beat that sounded “similar“ to something that I posted. They explained that they liked the chords, but wanted the bassline a little different, and use a different drum pattern. So I tried to go through my library, because I wasn’t in the mindset of actually working with artists to develop a song. 😂 I potentially lost a lot of clients when I first started out.
Thanks for this 🙏
I'm in that beat leasing burnout mode myself. This video spoke to me. Thank you.
You're welcome man. Appreciate you watching!
this is exactly what i've been thinking about doing since the beginning of the year. something about the beat selling system has always felt off to me. i've always been hands on. from showing people how to record, to pitching them alternative lines or melodies to sing. Currently, i'm at my peak. i can offer an incredible amount of value. i know how to produce, record, mix, master and i own a highly praised cinema camera, so i can shoot music videos. i understand cinematography well, i know how to edit, color grade and i have basic understanding of marketing. you've only solidified the belief that i should be rich with everything i'm currently able to do. i thought i was crazy think i wanted to charge $1500 for something like this. i know now, i'm probably worth more. imagine, one person. a one stop shop for everything. i don't even mind going of out my genres (classical hip hop and modern melodic pop trap). i like the challenge. thank you TH-cam algorithm, THANK YOU SIR.
your beats dont sound good enough for you to say this but good luck ig lmao
Stumbled acrossed your videos and one of the first that’s very clear and can actually teach something valuable to producers who make music and enjoy that as their work/ way of life and making money
Thanks for watching breezewav. Appreciate the comment. This video is a few years old now so I don’t love it and definitely want to make an updated version. Glad you enjoyed it tho!
Great stuff man. Thank you so much for helping
Thanks for watching!
Thank You...this really helps me💯
Wow for some reason I needed to see this!
Thanks for watching!
Amazing information right here. Wish I understood this a long time ago!
Thanks for watching Tyler!
really good video!!
Thanks for watching!
Im just now finding this video cause it popped into my feed and im going to start listening to your podcast
I appreciate that! Enjoy the podcast.
Mind Blown! You changed my whole trajectory of life....
I really like this idea here. Definitely appreciate your input!
Thanks for watching!
New to beat selling...nice ..its gon be crazy when im up 🔥🔥
I think I needed to hear this.
The sort of beats I've been making are not really the common beats suitable for trap rap, some of them are more songs than beats, really.
I'm not trying to put that genre down, but my production in is more jazz-like or orchestral and the writing isn't that repetitive, which is not really what conventional rappers these days seem to want. For this reason I haven't really released anything yet, because I don't think I'd fit in that market, and this video has given me great food for thought, thank you!
Glad the video helped, Mark! Thanks for watching. Based on the description of what you're making I think working directly with artists would be a good route or looking into some micro-licensing stuff. A buddy of mine runs www.thatpitch.com and they guarantee buy-out instrumentals for big companies every month. I've definitely seen some briefs come though asking for the type of tracks you are describing. Might be worth checking out. Keep at it and thanks again for watching!
@@darklabelmusic Hmm. Interesting, I'll look into it, thank you 👍
Yep! Exactly what I needed!!! Thanks!!! 😀
Thanks for watching!
Whoa you just CHANGED THE EFFING GAME FOR ME. I already do this on the side, for free to people. Wow just ... wow. Thank you 🙏
Thanks for watching! Glad it helps
This video was right on time man! This helped a lot.
Thanks for watching Corey! Appreciate ya
Thank you, usefull tips ;D
Makes a lot of sense!
What's up Daniel! I had a quick question. When you're producing a custom song for an artist within the model that you were describing is there usually a written agreement that the artist signs fryer to the production of the song or after the production of the song?
Meaning for example discussing royalty percentages publishing that kind of thing
Yep! Those terms are a piece of the entire working agreement and of course it can vary from client to client. Some projects may be 'work for hire' and others may be shared ownership.
agree, full production is much more worthy, creates more value for the producer and for the artist. at this point i'm making beats to build a portfolio which i can send to artist just for example what they can expect if they'll work with me.
Love it. Thanks for watching!
thanks man spot on just subscribed
Appreciate it, Pakman! Look forward to chatting soon.
Great work man
Thanks for watching!
I struggle making beats and getting back into music all together but this is great info bc I haven’t hear anything from this kinda perspective
Very good info
Thanks for watching!
Great info thanks! Im interested in the 'how to find the independent artists' you speak of. Ill try the tips youve mentioned in the comments. Naturally I slammed that Subscribe button.🔥
You’re right!! I know mid tier artists who work song-by-song and it seems like lots of bigger artists want to pay producers a salary these days to save time from searching for heat
nice man! opened my third eye ideas with this vid :D
Glad to hear it!
💎💎🚀🚀Thank you!
this video just changed my life... thank you
Late to the video but I couldn’t agree more specially for us Musicians that create and compose 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thanks for watching Javier!
Game changing mindset shift, thanks!
You're welcome - Thanks for watching!
Still relevant! Beat selling burnout is real
11/10 thanks for sharing!
Appreciate that
I’m just now seeing this video but this is something that my piano instructor told me a few months ago. I definitely want to go the producer route. I have to learn everything about what a producer does to make sure I have a quality production. Anything with my name attached to it has to be no less than a masterpiece. That’s my attitude 💯
Thanks for watching!
Woah! This means my music costs way more than the god damn beats! Thanks 4 the lovely info. Buddy! Now i know what to do next! 💰
Thanks for watching!
better idea; find one star artist to produce for, they pay around 30k-60k for one song production.
obviously easier said than done part is always written in small letters.
It's the hardest one haha
Not sure the best way to go about this. But when your art doesn't seem to gain any traction, even when you think it may be good, the next option makes sense to go to the broader audience. How do you go about trying to get people interested in looking for original productions or seeking professional audio or production services you may be able to offer, including mixing and mastering?
what this guy is saying is actually LEGIT. I haven't made crazy $$ of this yet, BUT I built MULTIPLE clients pretty much using this method. You basically have to CONNECT with the artist. You have to be provide them with your service first. Let them know you're willing to help them out with their music. Over the past year 1/2, I've made connects with artists from all over the world such as Canada, South Korea, Chicago, here in Houston, Columbia, even Tokyo. Become not only their producer, but assistant AND friend by building a relationship. I made it to where ppl would hit me up simply bc I was their "to-go producer". They knew my sound was different from others and I made a genuine connection with them.
This is excelent! But how did you come up with the relationships and contacts? I'm from Argentina and here it's difficult to find people near me who want to make music. So I have to go for the Internet alternative. Any advice?😊🇦🇷
Leib sooo how I was able to get in contact with these ppl is really thru social media. I feel like the more good energy you put out with your music, ppl are going to gravitate towards from all angles. Especially if you have a unique sound. I met a chick from Canada thru IG and we just started talking. We clicked immediately. And after a year of talking I literally bought a ticket to go see her just so we make music. But at the end of the day, it’s really about building a genuine connection wit the artist. Go eat dinner wit em! Talk about other stuff than music, make em laugh ! U gotta be an empath wit these artists. But don’t FORCe it! Let it flow . Hope this helps !
Leib also too , go more music gigs. And just chop it up wit them. Make friends !
Question , did you have a centralized platform that people could find you on? Like a website or fiver, etc? Or did you just go out and find artists?
Many different ones. We made it a habit that once one platform/strategy started working well, we wouldn't just rest on that but instead immediately grow the next one. The core skill we always had was the ability to reach out to artists, book co-writes, and then transition them into clients (outbound). And then encourage referrals. But overtime we built up many different ways for artists to find us (inbound). Never used Fiver (we weren't super cheap) but we were around for the early days of SoundBetter which was maybe 20-30% ish of our work. We had SEO going for us, a TH-cam channel, partnered with other businesses that had similar audiences (but not a competing offer), were active in many online communities, started local music meet-ups, etc. Some of the actual platforms we used back then aren't as relevant now-a-days but the concept is the same. The reason it worked though is because we had a KILLER team and an incredible experience for the artists we served. We were well branded and presented professionally. That stuff has to come first of course. Thanks for watching!
Thank you!
Great topic Bro
Thanks for watching bro!
@@darklabelmusic Ill be SUBBIN
@@strease1112 Appreciate that!
Thanks so much for this advice, i never really considered this much, but i'd rather try and do this than selling beats
Yeah feel free to explore all of the options that you have at your disposal. Thanks for watching!
Loving this vid my man - I think we might need to connect 👍
Anytime! support@danielgrimmett.com
i come from china ,the music industry have a big difference between american , your video really give me a inspiration ,thank you
Thanks for watching!
would be interesting to know, do chinese people buy beats? Is there any China beatmarket like beatstars? is there anything like this
@@randomkzable chinese's music industry is all around singer star, and pop idol. no body care about the music producer ,and they have no copyright(in china ,only the songwriter have it). many chinese rapper directly download the foreigner 's music and create song, even say they create the track themselves.
@@UncleChangs oh thank you for the information, just was interesting to know
I think this is good advice even if you are just sticking to beats when it comes to real, dedicated artists who are also producers. Also, if you're mixing and composition skills are decent you can ask for an hourly rate for changes to the track structurally or sonically. Daniel is correct on all fronts when he talks about artists and the available money they have...You are not going to reach your dream as a successful artist or rapper without a killer producer behind you, in fact it's important to realize that the producer is the most important element out of anything especially if you're a rapper (That means they will pay the money if they are serious). Producing excessive beats only for sales also doesn't encourage growth and stifles creativity, limits progress and completely diminishes any artistic reason a person might of once had before they began producing music altogether. A top notch track needs to be nauseatingly reworked, listened to, trialed and perfected and this can take time or not, depending on the situation.
Like what real artist wants to pump out cookie cutter lame beats that sound like every other beat on the market while killing your ego at the same time selling them for 30 bucks? The reputational pigeon hole you will get stuck into will be hard to break out of as well if potential high level clients ever hear your work (and like it) and see that you're not really serious about perfecting a few special tracks and only mass producing tracks. It might make them think that they could even find the same skill level as you or better and easily and hire a producer to replicate that beat while adding the top notch quality/icing on the cake that these cheap beats do not have that a high level producer could provide them.
Like I have gone through probably about 30 channels in regards to this issue and Daniel is presenting the most realistic, straight forward and mature advice for a producer who not only wants increase overall earnings, but is also passionate about what they do. I really appreciate the content man, well done.
Hey, appreciate that Levi! Thanks for watching.
that’s what i’ve dreamed of being. being the conductor of the whole project. i just have no idea how to get invited to sessions and get experience in the studio besides school
As somone who has just started out, the beat leasing model is the easiest to get into, plus I also use it to test if my beats are good enough. But definitely want to produce for other artists including myself.
Get in the room with artists, man. That's the best way to test. Because let's say your beats aren't selling and you're using that as a "test' to know if they are good enough.... Well, it may not be that they aren't good... It may be that your beat selling strategy isn't good. Those are 2 separate problems and you'll need to be capable of deciphering which one is the problem... Quality or Strategy or both? For a beginner, I would find that tough to be able to do. Just my 2 cents. I'm not telling you to NOT sell beats. I just think if the reason for selling beats is to "test the quality" then there are more effective ways of doing it that would be more accurate... Getting in the room with artists to see their reaction and/or maybe some kind of mentorship thing where you can get feedback on the beats from people who know what they are talking about.
@@darklabelmusic True. Just started trying to link up with some local artists for that reason. I actually use TH-cam to test out the market and most importantly to get my music out there, and also for improving on marketing and stuff, for example what keywords work best, thumbnails, etc, Not necessarily beat sales.
hi Daniel, I follow your work, but I live in Brazil, I don't speak English, it would be interesting if you put the subtitles of your videos for the option of Portuguese too, the Brazilians would be grateful and would accompany you too
Thank you so much for this ❤️. Can you please help me? How can I find an artist who wil buy my service?
Why would someone dislike this awesome video
Hopefully it was the thumbnail lol. Thanks for watching - appreciate ya!
Bro click funnels crushes this flat down .
Hey man, thanks a lot. As I am fairly new to music industry, I really wanna know about how and where I can find clients to work with. How do I let people know that I can produce music for them? Producing tracks for others via online is the only way for me, So please help me out. (& Sorry for my bad English :)
i actually did this once for free. ended up making a rock track for the first time ever and the guy loved it. how can i join the facebook group?
Thanks so much
Thanks for watching!
You're a saint
Thanks for watching! Appreciate you.
Thank you for revitalizing what music is really worth.
Thanks for watching Joseph!
So this makes sense to me, I honestly am open to both, selling beats and also working with other independent artists such as myself however I do go about finding other artists who are ready and willing to pay me for my work? What websites or platforms should I look into to start sourcing these artists?
Thanks for watching! The first thing I'll say is that this will depend on is the market that you're in and how that market hires producers. I made this video primarily for producer-songwriters that aren't in the hip hop / beat making market. Second thing... There is no "secret place or platform' where all of these kinds of artists are hiding out. They are everywhere. Finding serious artists is pretty easy. All of them are on Spotify and have an Instagram account. You could make a playlist on Spotify of indie artists you like and Spotify will endlessly recommend more like them. Bam! There ya go. Getting serious artists to take you seriously is actually the problem that most producers have. Watch our video on our how to build a production career from scratch. It's one of the newer ones. Have a good one!
brow the link to book a call with you doesnt work. Whats a better way to contact you? Thank you!
That makes sense
hello how do i schedule a call with you im interested in your knowledge
Where can I find artist who wanna do this and how can I make them this offer?
🤔 A.I cranking out beats are Heavily🗑
But in the year 2023 Producing a Artist is Absolutely Legit.
Ok, you convinced me. But how do I find and reach out to independent artists?
If someone who has studied the basics of economics understand the demand-supply graph. it's simple when the number of suppliers is bigger than the demand then the cost of product goes down. now a days , music production , making music is not a secret at all. It will become even more harder in the future to make a living through music as AI and mobile apps are becoming more powerful each day.
Hey Zian. Thanks for the comment. Curious to know how long you’ve been working in this industry because yes… this has already been a thing for years. Cool news is that there are producers that still make a great living. Particularly the ones with online influence (which is a cool thing we didn’t have back in the day). More supply than demand just makes it harder for mediocre producers to make a living (I saw this same thing when I worked in real estate during the crash in 2008). But music has always been an industry where we’ve had to create money out of thin air. It’s art. We’re used to it lol. The real ones know this. Access to more music making apps and education doesn’t automatically make someone a killer producer. If anything, some of that stuff has created more “lazy” producers which gives the ambitious ones more of an advantage. Independent producers are waking WAYY more than any of us ever were 15-20 years ago doing this. Yes, there’s a lot more people producing music but still about the same amount that are really good as there has always been. And we’ve had enough time to see how AI affected the mastering industry and it didn’t really. Both AI mastering and M.E. are doing just fine. I think AI will be able to crank out some cool beats but there’s so much more to producing a successful record than that. And when everything becomes “robotic” then the new trend will be “making music with humans” again lol. And it’ll probably go back and forth like most trends do. But hey I don’t have all the answers. We’ll see! But anyone can “logic” themselves out of a career making music. Ya gotta be a little crazy :)
@@darklabelmusic hey bro, I have been making music only for 3 years and this is the only thing I am doing, I am 30. I don't disagree with your views but you should understand that AI are the tools that have the capabilities to learn from human beings and in 10 years , I bet, it will replace human in many industries , not only music.
@@darklabelmusic well, I liked your answer , hehe, you have written a complete essey on that, you might be a person exactly like me, heheh I also do that .. reply people in comments and the reply itself is so long that its even hard to read, but I read it all ,
Sorry, but call me crazy....beat makers are just that.....they are not producers.....most of the beats are too flooded with instrumentation and sound effects that it's hardly any room for the vocals to fit in. A producer is someone that can enter a studio, real or virtual, and take command of the entire session.......Start to finish
No shade on the beat makers tho...... it is a natural music instinct for musicians to fill in any extensive gaps......so if no vocalist is there, then there will be a lot of those gaps.....
im extremely new to music making/producing, so how would i start to become a producer? Do i have to learn that in a course or go to some famous location and try to learn from them? I dont exactly know what a producer consists of. Do i make a beat and send it to artist? or do i ask artist to give me a chance to work with them? Should I Make my own beat and make my own song to promote my skills? Theres just so much i dont know.
Get good at making beats first then send them out then try to link up with artist in real life
Where do you find the artists that want to make songs if you’re a producer? Is there a website?
Spotify
Hey, very interesting indeed. But how will the upcoming talent find me as a producer/artist to make a song and/or theme for them? I made a lot of stuff (stuff I believe in) and put it out in the hope to get noticed but... to no avail after so many years. Any ideas on how to get noticed without spending amounts to go into pockets of internet moguls? This feels like such an honest thing to do, make art and have others buy and use it for their careers but with all those intricate platforms trying to squeeze money out of me (us) it feels like every move I make I end up feeling cheated. Anything out there where it's possible for the aspiring artist and aspiring producer to meet that you know of? Thx for the vids, inspiring!
Yep - great question. None of the producers I work with put their stuff out there and wait to get noticed. They go out and meet people constantly (whether online or in person). 30 new artists per week on average. They'll end up maybe building a bond with 1 of those 30 and over a year or so they've built up a solid group of 10-12 artists that are working with them on a regular basis. All of this is of course only works if the producer is developed themselves and it's clear what they bring to the table (a lot of producers skip that step for some reason).
@@darklabelmusic ok thank you. More online and offline socializing it shall be then, sadly I consider that (socializing) as time chipped away from time to create and develop myself so I will probably need a mindset switch on that then and see it as investing time or something. Thx for the reply good sir, even that has become a rarity these days 🙂
Português amei, vou poder estudar
I get what you are sayin, but the way you say it, just comes off as attack mode, its an option, Its better for you that's awesome, but the more options of nailing down your project especially budget projects is great, as they graduate level up, they can step up to something more comfortable or fits their busy schedules, we all have obligations and needs. No need to knock on another style just cause your way works for you. Im just glad their is options.
Thanks for the comment Niro. You're right. I didn't quite have the 'tone' nailed down in my early videos. lol. Check out some of the newer ones :) Thanks for watching!
How do you communicate your rates?
I didn't get how do I get to the point that artist contact me/agree to work with me (after i hit them up) and trust me with thier full song??
Had no idea this video was 2 years ago..
Thank you for these gems..
Liked and Subscribed f’sure..
Appreciate that!
The problem, and the question, you didn't answer is: HOW and WHERE do you find these artists?
Thanks for watching! Check out the video "How Music Producers Get Clients in 2023" on our channel. The group I'm referring to here is literally every independent artist that releases music is on Spotify and has an instagram (and is in a market where they don't just buy beats). Artists are extremely easy to find. The real question is... Will they want what YOU do? That is typically the problem that producers run into... Not where to find artists. They are literally everywhere.
Great stuff, been producing for artists over soundbetter and airgigs for a few years and trying to hone my messaging on my website. My biggest question is if I produce and help write it for a flat rate does that automatically mean everything has to be work for hire? Is there any way I'm entitled to royalties for what I write too? I want to build passive income too and that's why beat licensing is appealing
Hey Lynz! Thanks for watching. Nope, just because you're paid a production fee upfront doesn't mean you aren't entitled to ownership. You can negotiate that with your clients. And I completely see the appeal of 'passive income' through beats/sample packs etc. And I'm not against that stuff - just comes down to sequence. More money coming into the business upfront, the more can be invested into growing the passive stuff. Doing it the other way around is SLOW. The clients I work with that do 6 figures+ with products... Well, it's because they had a ton of money to pump into it (which came from production work). Happy to chat about this sometime. Feel free to reach out.
This really only works if you have a network of artists local to you who have the funds for pay for this. Which is insanely rare.
Incorrect. Has nothing to do with local artists. Watch some of the other content on this channel. 90% of our producers primarily do remote work (which had been a thing since way before Covid too btw). Also, the numbers that I’ve talked about in this video are not out of the ordinary. Very standard rates for independent producer-songwriters. Again, there’s about 40 or so interviews with producers on the channel who do this. Check those out for more context. Thanks for watching!
how much do you make selling beats a month? and how do you connect with those people?
Hey Real Beats... Thanks for watching! I can't answer the first question because we don't sell beats. The entire video is about a production model that ISN"T selling beats.
do you have a course on this i been to your site and i dont see any courses
Hey there! Currently, I do not. At the moment I just run a business mastermind for working producers that have a business already. BUT... I'm teaming up with an industry veteran on a course and will announce it soon. Thanks for watching!
@@darklabelmusic so can you help out up and coming producers like myself....cuz i would like to scale my business
Where do I find artists who are willing to pay? It seems easy to target a niche but closing a sale with artists is unnatural for me.
Thanks for the comment. I'll share this... The producers we work with focus less on "where do I find artists who are willing to pay X amount" and more on "how to I become a producer worth paying X amount". Finding artists is easy. They are all on Spotify and have an Instagram account. Selling yourself only feels unnatural if you don't believe in what you're selling (yet). Keep at it!
Wouldn't you need a recording studio to offer this kind of service???
That'd be optional. You wouldn't need anything different from what you use to make beats already. It's just a slightly different market and a different way to position your services. You'd only need a studio if your artist was local and wanted to track vocals with you. But, a lot of time the client is remote so they will record their own vocals or record at a local spot and send vocals back to you (or whoever is mixing it).
@@darklabelmusic Ok
So, what's the best way to go about finding the indie artists?
Thanks for watching! Sort the comments by "newest" and then look at the one before yours - someone asked the same question yesterday and I replied.
@@darklabelmusic Ah, perfect, thank you.
Dude ... I'm emailing you now.
Hey, cool video, had a quick question, you said it's better for smaller producers to do this style of producing instead of selling cheap beats.
So basically you contact an artist that would fit your style of beats, and give them a ~1k price to have one of their songs produced? But if you're a smaller producer why would they even give you a chance instead of just going through cheap youtube beats and finding something for $20? Hope my question makes sense
I say to take their ideas and create a small, very small sample for them to hear, and let them decide if they want to purchase. It's essentially the same as creating a fully produced out track and waiting for someone to hopefully start leasing. If you can really produce a song, it takes no time to generate a 20 second loop for them to sample. Lots of artist will jump to having a song that is all theirs and not the same track as 50 other artist.
Hey, u got a very good point there.
Im just right now starting to turn my passion into profession, but Im also a do both guy.
Thanks for your input!
But please, dont do this awwboard thing - this is horrible and kinda downgrades your decent content. No offense 😉
Peace
Okay but where do i find those artists and how to convince them im good enough to work with me
Almost every artist is on Spotify and has an Instagram account. Very easy to find. Now, will they engage in a convo with you? I can’t say because I don’t know ya. At some point you get good enough to where serious people take you seriously. New producers should just focus on getting to that point first. You’ll know because people will actually start replying to see what’s up with you. And if you have to “convince” them then I’d argue that ya aren’t good enough. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment!
I've made over 100k selling music doing this. I dont sell type beats or cheap beats. I just make music for me and people dig it.
60% of that money was from verses or chorus I've written. People love creative minds especially if their not creative.
Why is there no result no matter how hard I try?
How do you reach artists that require this kind of service online?
Thanks for the comment! Watch the video on our channel called "How music producers get clients in 2023" (I believe that's what the title is).
key stuff
Would you also recommend a platform like fiverr?
I'll be doing a video on this, but in general my mantra with ANY platform is "You can use them, but don't get used to them". It's always better to build your own thing. I haven't come across ONE platform that doesn't ultimately drive the rates down for everybody on it. So they are good for the early people and bad for everyone else.