Didn’t Giannis push for the jrue trade ? He push for a all star and all elite defender. Jrue was a 20/7/5 guy for last 3 years he played on pels before trade .
Love that team. The team is so organic that I would say the assists for Jokic are much easier because of the synergy they have. They know each other much better than your average teammates cause they are growing together. Not only they have the best player in the world but their team as a whole is just amazing. Everyone knows their role and no one is trying to be a hero. They move as a whole
No superteam, no drama just makes Jokic more of a target for these media fools who try and hype up today’s game like it’s the best thing any fan has ever seen
@@uberneanderthalLeBron is 2nd greatest player ever it’s the other way around. Jokic only shoots better maybe passes better but LeBron is a better scorer and defender and better longevity
@@steviechampagne yup. A lot of players would have already been acknowledged as the NBA's greatest player after winning back to back league MVP's. With Joker, however, he needed to win 2 back to back MVPs along with a ring to finally gain the respect that he deserves and to be acknowledged by the media and basketball fans as the greatest player in the world.
Jokic may be my favorite player of all time im not into really flashy guys and he is just doing whatever it takes to win. I will always have infinitely more respect for people like him and Duncan than a player like a Carmelo or a harden even though they are two incredible players
The Nuggets are the real trust the process team the core of the team is home grown and drafted other than AG. They’ve stuck with coach Malone even after some losing seasons they never gave up on their players or coaching staff, the whole team has organically grown together it’s awesome seeing a team like Denver reach the mountain top!
How it should be done. I hope them winning same with the bucks kinda rewrites the script of what teams should do instead of giving up the whole team for a star
Bird & Magic brought us rivalries and intense competition. MJ, KG and Kobe brought us an almost psychopathic desire and will to win Duncan and the Spurs brought us professionalism and team loyalty Lebron...basically undid all of that. That's his legacy. Jokic's is the dawn after the darkness, may his reign be long.
Well said, unfortunately I believe that Jokic will be the exception, not the rule. LBJ is the first "best player in the league" that went to the direct opposition to ring chase, and very few were appalled by it in the big media since Nike and ESPN had his back, and so did the NBA since he was, and probably still is the number one cash cow. Now, compare it to the backlash KD's move got... Silver, along with ESPN and Nike has steered the NBA ship in a wrong direction, overprotecting the superstar teams and players, making the true fans less interested, while the bandwagoners are by default not loyal.
Denver was built organically, they actually use a team-oriented system where there's player and ball movement, and I didn't see a guy who could stop Jokic in the entire postseason (AD could slow him down but that's it). There's nothing to hate about this team.
AD did not really slow Joker down. Joker still had his way against AD and the lakers and dominated them. Joker was unguardable and that's why they swept LA.
Another example would be the Dirk Nowitzki Championship of 2011. Dirk could have gone to the Lakers and won 3 Rings with Kobe but he committed to the Lavs abd wonnthe roght way. One Chip that is all that‘s needed for an all time legacy
This years lakers aren’t even close to superteam and neither was Kobe lakers without Shaq even with shaq it’s just a duo not a superteam. Maybe the 80s was superteam
I'm not a Nuggets fan , Jokic is one of my favorite players to watch, some of those passes you look at and go how did he do that? He's amazing. I'm an Aaron Gordon fan , I miss him in Orlando but it wasn't the right fit for him, he was expected to be first option, he works better as a third or fourth option , and I met him once at an Orlando Magic game. The fact Jokic is a second round pick is also another fact that's amazing to me.
I believe the Nuggets are capable of becoming a dynasty if they stay healthy and keep making smart moves and lets not forget time is on there side for now there three most important players which are Jokic, Murray, and MPJ are all still in there 20s and are in the prime of there careers they have potential of becoming something special for years to come.
Don't forget Aaron Gordon. He's 27 and made more impact in the playoffs than MPJ. He excellently guarded KAT, KD, Lebron, and Jimmy Butler while scoring super efficiently.
That remains to be seen we said the same about Giannis bucks after 2021 ring and the league will target the nuggets since they’re defending champions in the upcoming season. So it’ll be hard and not only that the nuggets lost a big piece in Bruce brown unless they get a replacement for him from the rest of the bench or from a trade they are in trouble
I love basketball because people with different skills and colors come together to form a team and battle as one. For ESPN fools such as Kendrick Perkins to attribute Jokic success to his color was truly disrespectful. Racism to me is not just from white people. Some black people can be racist and we need to all recognize that and work together to address it. I wish Jokic nothing but continuous success.
He's very similar to Duncan in that he realizes that he's part of a team. This has been shown multiple times across decades as the recipe for success in basketball. The teams that make use of each player to their full potential is the team that wins championships.
I think one of the things that people forget is just how many more great players are in the league at any given times right now. players are scouted earlier and more agressive than ever and Winning a championship even for the best players has gotten harder, in each playoffs there are at least 4 teams now that have very realistic chances for the title, another 2 who can make a miracle run and another 4-6, who can upset them. If you spaced this talent out the way it used to with one super star, another star player and a supporting cast around them, there would be 12 real contenders every season. I think we need to take that into account when we talk about stacking the deck. Having 2 superstars on your team is far from a guarantee for a championship these days.
The thing is that DENVER front office did it's job to organicaly create a competitive team . A player on a team with terrible front office ( PORTLAND) is just stuck there and will never see a ring in his career.
@@saltymonkey8874 That and there's not many undersized players that can be the best on a ring winning team. Unless the rest of the team is extremely talented i.e. GS.
Dame just isn’t that caliber of player tbh. Those teams had talent, he’s just not a Giannis, Jokic or healthy kawhi. Those guys would’ve got at least one of those Portland teams to the finals.
@@saltymonkey8874 "Dame had good teams" Ok, what year was that "good team"suppose to win a ring or even make the finals?? Or are you just talking outta your ass?
Can you not just enjoy both and not continue to push this MJ vs. LBJ conversation? They are two different players that just played the game and had the heart of champions. Different skill sets, different Era. No comparison needed.
Heart of champion? Lol he had to leave home and go to another man's team Wade already won Miami a championship.. Wade was the heart . JORDAN KOBE Jokic Dirk Giannis heart of champions
@ShatterTheSkiesAbove You're not getting it. Lebron didn't go threw real adversity to win his rings. That's one reason why he didn't have as much success as he should have, in terms of championships.
@@vintagemonte You mean drafting unknown players and hiring a rookie coach? I'm pretty sure Lebron had a #1 & 2 ranked team before he left. How is it the fault of the franchise for him not being able to get over the hill? Hell, he didn't even make a Finals appearance with those TOP RANKED teams.
Jokic and Giannis are the only two stars with no drama and egos. They just care about themselves and their teams. They don't care about what other players and the media think about them.
Yes Nuggets are built organically and they won the right way etc but also they only draft, trade for or sign HIGH CHARACTER players. They even have high character leaders on the bench (Jordan and Smith) to reinforce that character. The second that Hyland started to moan about his minutes and wasn’t committed to the team winning, he got shipped off to the clippers. You can’t win with Harden in your locker room. KD, Kyrie, etc are all good but they are about THEIR brand, which is fine, it’s a business, but that’s not what the Nuggets are looking for.
Loyalty always is a two way street. It's always given and received at the same time or not there at all. I am pretty sure Steph Curry will get a nice contract from the warriors as long as he wants to play. Look at Dirk Nowitzki
Unfortunately, winning rings the right way doesn't matter that much. People give shit to KD for his dumb decision, but no one actually considers him a 1x MVP, 0x Champion, 0x Finals MVP. People say it's worth less, but it's still on that players resume and in 30 years, not many will remember how he won it
This couldn’t be further from the truth. Zero people give any credit to Robert Parish for his forth ring. By your logic that forth ring he won at age 43 sitting in the bench watching MJ means just as much as the ones he got dominating in the 80’s. Context matters. How many rings and how you got them is important. Look at Dirks legacy. Dude has 1 chip and is seen as a god in Dallas. KD has 2 and people already forgot he was a GS Warrior.
How is 2020 considered a weak championship, but 2015 isn’t? Everyone has the exact same benefits and drawbacks to playing in the bubble. It was the most pure basketball you’ll ever get to watch as there aren’t any 3rd party things to influence the game.
It's hard for me to sit thru one of your videos due to the cadence you speak with. Videos are great but you gotta stop grouping words so suddenly and slow down a tad verbally. Much Love ❤
Superteam is when the big 3 or more are allstars in their primes. Stop changing the goalpost to drag older players being a super team. It’s always Lebron fans that do this. Non of the Bulls teams were superteams. Barkley, Pip and Dream were old and way out their primes. That’s not a superteam.
@@nydibs what does that have to do with the fact Lebron 3 out of 4 chips were with super teams? And it wasn’t the players you mentioned that made them super teams.
@@gggyy7104 except I didn’t. That is what the media and Lebron fans called a super team. I’m using your own logic and definition on y’all. You change definitions to suit your arguments. When someone is out their prime and not allstars, how is it a super team? Oh wait, I know, when it suits a Lebron goat argument, old dudes past prime are superteams so you can say Jordan etc had a super teams. You guys kill me lol.
@@snakebitten6967 There is not a single Lebron fan that gives 3 or more all stars as the definition of a superteam. Now you’re just making up stuff 🤣🤣. Y’all are the same people that call the 2014 Heat a superteam when Wade was averaging 13 ppg in the playoffs.
Warriors only became considered a superteam when no one could bear them. But all their core players were on the nuggets for years, except for kd. Thats the only time you could have considered them a "bought" super team
They won in 2015 & 2022 without KD as well. It’s not the warriors fault they drafted well lol. Picking up KD may have helped, but they did it the right way
Barkley tried to join a superteam don’t forget the season before he joined the rockets he averaged 23 and 11 so cut miss me with past prime cause them legit numbers
I agree about the home-grown vs. superteam stuff, but dude Bradley Beal literally just turned 30 two months ago...so he's hardly "creeping into his mid-30's"
True, but I seriously doubt that's a trio that'll mesh well together. You don't want three score-first players in the same starting lineup (I speak as a Boston fan - Tatum, Brown and Kyrie/Kemba were such poor combos)
It's a terrible acquisition, but he was wrong about the age. He's dead on about they should've upgraded their interior. How on Earth did they look at that roster and decide they need perimeter scoring 😂
It's been the way to win in almost every sport. At least basketball has a cap. This could be baseball I mean look what the Yankees money has done for them. Nearly 30 rings haha
@allprogrows358 I hear ya. But in 11 seasons in Cleveland it took a clutch shot to win a championship. If not for that shot, LeBron would have been 0-5 in the finals 😬
the nba media is located in a certain area and run by certain people. those people are gonna run their biases and force their opinions down our throats. if you have to deliberately join other established stars/superstars that to me is not impressive. when i look into the context of how a championship is won i cant ignore that certain teams were simply a mash up of established stars/superstars. its why i dont think the warriors dynasty was all that great of a dynasty. dont get me wrong those championships matter and nothing can take that away, but the warriors had 3 years there of easy breezy runs to the finals with kevin durant on that squad and everyone knew that was a cheap move. when i see other players who've won chips with a team naturally and organically, that to me is so much more impressive. like when people talk about lebron having 4 rings, i cant help but feel like 2 of those rings were not earned. especially if im comparing those miami heat runs with an actual historic run when lebron led cleveland to a chip.
This drafted/not drafted determinant is not complete accurate. Is not building by trade that makes things "illegitimate" by most people's standards, but the star/superstars joining each other and looking for the easy path to 🏆 If you need to do that to succeed, you are just not up there, making your trip to the top a fabrication. The draft is still good because even if a few turn out to be special, there is still the obvious development part and overall TEAM dynamics to accout for, which points out to the complete overall effort put in to.
@daddyfuse50 Garrett started the superteam era. Couldn't get out the 1st round till then. Meanwhile Lebron made the finals with Danny Gibson as his serving guy. Takes a superteam to beat one. You're such a casual.
The so called "Player empowerment" was the ruin of the nba. Lebron started this by going to Miami and killing the competitive spirit of the nba. Once the best players (lebron and Wade were top 3) want to team up instead of competing, the nba is dead. Thank God giannis and jokic brought it back to the organic way. If you're a top 10 player you have to win with your team. The way lebron, kd, Harden, kyrie, AD are teaming up with each other sucks and is the death of the sport.
💯. Only young kids don't remember how Lebum ruined the old NBA. And you never hear about it anymore because the biggest talking heads like Shannon and Nick Wright are signed by Klutch Sports. Lebum pays them to callhim the GOAT 😂 Jokic is a real competitior
Also everyone except bubba gump Kendrick Perkins knows this is the 3 time mvp .i like embid but come on its the joker today tomorrow and the next day i don't understand why people didnt want the joker to win 3 straight i hate to think it was about skin color that would really hurt the game.
Since 2010s most of the team who won, did it the "right" way, except for all Bron's team, Lakers with Kobe, Toronto myb cuz their best player was traded and lets put Warriors when they had KD cuz that team was just plain unfair.
So according to this video and Charles Barkley, the "right way" to win a NBA Championship is to let the franchise that drafts you have complete control over your career and if they happen to put you in a position to win one, cool, if not then I guess you weren't ever a "special" player. Hense why Charles failed to get a ring on 3 different teams I guess.
no, that only means it works. But as reality shows it doesn't. Team chemistry, which is obtained from years of being together is still the key to having a chip.
barkly is a great guy, says some wrong and correct stuff. but a super team is just people showing they can work smarter. if your able to provide then someone will take the bait.
Lol, work smarter? You guys will make up excuses for your favorite players having zero competitive drive. Stacking the deck in your conference and practically walking into the finals is weak!!
@@saltymonkey8874 excuses for having no competitive drive? the whole point is to build a team that can win a chip what excuses can you make. if you dont wanna win you dont wanna win and your off the team. i wanna see my team win a chip. if u not motivated to win you dont have to join. i dont get your point.
Bruh how is the bubble a weak title. Everyone got the same amount of rest an played under the same conditions in the bubble. If anything it’s a tough title because u have to be mentally motivated to complete in a new environment.
A lot of people hold the opinion of a Mickey Mouse title but I think it’s dumb. If there’s no advantage to any team, then it’s not easier for anyone. Technically, playing Denver for half of the season makes players used to playing in higher elevation so that makes this championship have an asterisk. However, that’s just petty so it’s not worth the argument, similar to how a unique environment like the bubble should not be held against LAL. I think the hate is just LeBron-centered and we know this channel loves to criticize LeBron a bit too mich
winning on the road/defending homecourt, facing a hostile crowd/rising to the expectations of your fans. that's what makes the playoffs great. saying the 2020 ring is as valuable as every other ring is basically saying fans don't matter (which they clearly do, when homecourt has a 70% win rate)
Every Le Bron titile is weak even in Cleveland, because this is not natural one, but Le Bron is trying every year in last decade to go from superteam to superteam , and after he left that team needs to go to rebuild mode. First Cleveland, after Miami (when he promise 8 titles), and finally Cleveland again. In Lakers when he did not have all star teammate he did not enter play-off. In bubble he won championship with just one all star teammate, but in Cleveland and Miami even 2 all star were not enough. Compare this to Jokic who did not have all star teammate in whole NBA career. Golden State even when they made superteam with Durant, they just take him in free agency, but Le Bron titles are least natural, and he had maybe the most all star teammates in NBA history. @@jsmoove81519
The Lakers actually cheated and had been practicing in secret during the break when no one else was allowed to. So ya, the team that got to practice the entire time together during the break was the best team in the playoffs
Well Frankly, NBA is a sports business. That being said, one method to the top is really no better than any other. Lakers have always drafted big names. They have 17 Championships. Mr Barkley may have some kind of sentiment about the whole thing but there isnt any real ethical value to placing one way to another.
Agree with everything but Curry did need a former #1 pick Wiggins to finally play like a #1 overall pick in the Finals to win. Wiggins is not elite but he was that Finals.
Nuggets got murray and MPJ who wants to show their Best..so basicly they got hungry players..so repeat is not impossible thing..but i think it depends on glue guy..like brown ect.but Jokić wont win MVP..cause as i said they will push murray AG MPJ for all star or even MVP..but i bet Sha or that dudd from twolves will get MVP theybare good andbhungry and team oriented in decent margin..
This is all MJ's fault and partially Kobe. The current players of nba probably witnessed MJ and Kobe have 3 peat and made it look easy. MJ did it twice within a decade!!! Then they realize it is not as easy as MJ and Kobe showed, so they did desperate moves, to even have at least a chip, LBJ is a prime example, he was so hyped but didn't lived up to it. He could level with duncan who silently won championship, but to reach MJ status is just impossible.
Jokic was also kinda bad the first couple of seasons which gave Denver Jamal Murray Luka, and LeBron was too good from the start, which resulted their team stuck in no mans land
Lebron was not stuck in no mans land. His team went to the Finals and then was ranked #1 & 2 in the NBA, that's not no mans land. What he failed to do is get them over the hump. He couldn't make the finals when he had his best teams...
skills could be learned thru years of hardwork, as long as the mentality is there. Plus make a working team chemistry and you got a championship contender. This is what some of today's player who team hop got wrong. They think if you surround yourself with the best then the championship will fall into your lap. It takes more than that, maturity, mental toughness, team chemistry, how could you obtain that if you team hop? This is why MJ and bulls started winning, they didn't look back. But then you have to ask why MJ still won the 2nd 3-peat if all the bulls in that 96-98 run were not in the 1st 3 peat except pippen. Is that because of leadership? Or is MJ just good at carrying a team to win chips.
Jamal was selected with a pick they got during the Carmelo trade, so Denver having a good or bad record had no affect on the the pick. Anyway, Denver is a team that consistently finds productive players in the late first round and second round. In 20 years since getting Melo, the only other high pick Nuggets have had besides Murray is Emmanuel Mudiay. Also, saying Jokic or the Nuggets were bad his first few seasons is a reach. Jokic was one of the finalist for rookie of the year and for the first 5 years in the Malone era, the team improved their winning percentage from the previous year. Would've made the playoffs in the 2nd and 3rd year if the West wasn't so stacked, missed by 1 game one year and didn't qualify the next year despite having better record than 3 Eastern playoff teams.
Immagine Superman joining forces with Lex Luthor. They would be amazingly unstoppable. But there would be nothing to watch for the audience. When prime NBA superstars decide to join forces, they are ruining the show and winning meh titles.
Let me start by saying there is no right way or wrong way to win! When you go back 20 years and look at any record book it will tell you who won and who lost not how they won! Or who got injured on their way to winning. So for someone who never won anything to be talking about how or the best way to win is unfounded...How would he know? Doing it his right way won him nothing...Let me also add players like Barkley tried forming super teams it just didn't work and he lost. I guarantee if he had won it would count big time for him...These super jealous envious old heads need to just go away and stop hating on today's basketball that still pays them handsomely....
What makes a superstar? Must be at least 40 in the NBA now the annalist talk like. Need to start calling players like Embiid good/great players not superstar. 76's win has much with him has without him so how does that make him a superstar. I only see 3 superstars in the league right now my self. Think you need at least 1 championship before you are tag with SUPERSTAR. Superstar to me means the best of the best. Do not see players like Damian has a superstar. Great player sure but not a superstar. Has not won crap. Just because you are on a team that lets you jack up the most shots leading to the most points for that team does not make you a superstar Tatum and others. Superstars win championships. PS: AD can't cover Jokic. We just saw that in the 4-0 swipe.
Teams have no core, nba coaches arent leaders or not allowed to coach like europe, most of nba players dont care to win, only playoffs matter, teams give huge contracts to players that dont compete.
I feel like Lebrons “super teams” are a bit overblown… he all those teams are very top heavy with their big 3 or 2 with AD then it’s kinda role players around them especially with the heat and cavs return.. last years lakers after the trade had good depth and they made the conference finals with bron in his 20th year.. they still have pretty good depth and a roster that actually makes sense it seems or compared to the beginning of last year at least
@@sladewilson6924 what is all NBA players ? Lmao like I said most of his "super teams" are really top heavy with not crazy depth like other super teams or dynasty teams... the return to the cavs he recruited Kevin love and they traded Wiggins for him then most other signings he wanted or recommend were role players that he liked from the heat and it was 2 or 3 guys... and a lot of the all stars or big name players he played with were past their primes other than the other members of the big 3s wit the cavs and heat... and I wouldn't consider russ and AD and Bron a big 3... since AD got there they just been a big 2 amd AD misses a lot of games and is inconsistent lately or has big stretches where he looks dominant then stretches where he looks passive... And after the original cavs run and the team showed horrible management and ability to get players and Bron still made them contenders why would he not want a Lil more control or to have a say so in helping recruit players
Bruh not winning with the team that draft u isn’t a bad thing an neither is a super team. Not many players have the patience to wait on gms to build the right team around them.
Jordan was patient with his GM. So was Lebron. The difference is Lebron just didn’t have it in him to make a team of average players into a great team. That’s why he had to go form a super team and jordan did not. Look at history. Is it better to form a super team or build one? Jordan’s bulls Duncan’s spurs Steph warriors 15 of the last 32 titles with a 15-3 record in the finals. The lakers and Celtics in the 80s were also primarily built thru the draft. That is one of the main reasons jordan Duncan and Steph will always have that respect, they won on their own and didn’t have to join other top level players. They helped build the teams they won with. Lebron didnt. It is what it is.
it is not bad, but don't expect accolades because hopping team when the going gets tough will not get you the natural respect people give to players like MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Steph..
Yes. Jokic did do it the right way. No team jumping and recruiting stars to play with him. Giannis did it the right way too.
Didn’t Giannis push for the jrue trade ? He push for a all star and all elite defender.
Jrue was a 20/7/5 guy for last 3 years he played on pels before trade .
Jrue is a very good player with a good career but I wouldn’t put him in the great/elite category.
@@poppatheegoat no. Holiday was getting moved anyway. The bucks made the best offer.
@@youngblood4127I never said he was elite I said a elite defender and a all star
@@poppatheegoatbro jrue Holiday is not a superstar stop reaching
In a nutshell, denver is an ORGANIC team. It’s beautiful to watch them play and really fun to cheer for them, and when they win it’s even better
I'm not a Nuggets fan, but to me they are must see TV
Love that team. The team is so organic that I would say the assists for Jokic are much easier because of the synergy they have. They know each other much better than your average teammates cause they are growing together. Not only they have the best player in the world but their team as a whole is just amazing. Everyone knows their role and no one is trying to be a hero. They move as a whole
No superteam, no drama just makes Jokic more of a target for these media fools who try and hype up today’s game like it’s the best thing any fan has ever seen
exactly, they hate Jokic because he's everything Lebron isn't.
@@uberneanderthalLeBron is 2nd greatest player ever it’s the other way around. Jokic only shoots better maybe passes better but LeBron is a better scorer and defender and better longevity
The sports media are more TMZ or E! reporters than actual sports fans/analysts. They like STORYLINES more than they like competition.
He was patient and won with the team that was given to him,and played a part in his teammates development
and the general managers didn't screw it up.
Could be a great coach when his playing days are done!
Joker is going to be an absolute legend once his career is said and done.
the amount of disrespect this man gets from media over his 8 year career is INSANE.
@@steviechampagne yup. A lot of players would have already been acknowledged as the NBA's greatest player after winning back to back league MVP's. With Joker, however, he needed to win 2 back to back MVPs along with a ring to finally gain the respect that he deserves and to be acknowledged by the media and basketball fans as the greatest player in the world.
Jokic may be my favorite player of all time im not into really flashy guys and he is just doing whatever it takes to win. I will always have infinitely more respect for people like him and Duncan than a player like a Carmelo or a harden even though they are two incredible players
The Nuggets are the real trust the process team the core of the team is home grown and drafted other than AG. They’ve stuck with coach Malone even after some losing seasons they never gave up on their players or coaching staff, the whole team has organically grown together it’s awesome seeing a team like Denver reach the mountain top!
How it should be done. I hope them winning same with the bucks kinda rewrites the script of what teams should do instead of giving up the whole team for a star
100% agree, but hard to do if you don't draft a player of Joker's caliber, and those are really rare.
Bird & Magic brought us rivalries and intense competition.
MJ, KG and Kobe brought us an almost psychopathic desire and will to win
Duncan and the Spurs brought us professionalism and team loyalty
Lebron...basically undid all of that. That's his legacy. Jokic's is the dawn after the darkness, may his reign be long.
The Boston Celtics did that
Well said, unfortunately I believe that Jokic will be the exception, not the rule.
LBJ is the first "best player in the league" that went to the direct opposition to ring chase, and very few were appalled by it in the big media since Nike and ESPN had his back, and so did the NBA since he was, and probably still is the number one cash cow.
Now, compare it to the backlash KD's move got...
Silver, along with ESPN and Nike has steered the NBA ship in a wrong direction, overprotecting the superstar teams and players, making the true fans less interested, while the bandwagoners are by default not loyal.
@@Woody13woodpecker - thats bc Lebron gets all the credit and none of the blame. Nobody has ever needed more help to win than Lebron
@@nydibsevery single great needed help to win.
@@AllBetzOff No one said differently but you're falsely equating LeCon's repeatedly team jumping and forming lame superteams to "simply needing help".
Denver was built organically, they actually use a team-oriented system where there's player and ball movement, and I didn't see a guy who could stop Jokic in the entire postseason (AD could slow him down but that's it). There's nothing to hate about this team.
AD didn't slow a damn thing 😂 Lakers had Hachimura and TT coming off the bench to guard him because Jokic was cooking so hard
AD did not really slow Joker down. Joker still had his way against AD and the lakers and dominated them. Joker was unguardable and that's why they swept LA.
Another example would be the Dirk Nowitzki Championship of 2011. Dirk could have gone to the Lakers and won 3 Rings with Kobe but he committed to the Lavs abd wonnthe roght way. One Chip that is all that‘s needed for an all time legacy
This video was truly appreciated by me.😊
Shout out to #27, Jamal Murray! Bro came back from that injury better than ever.
The best part about Joker winning a title is that he swept Queen James
The Lakers been making superteams since the 80s and its awesome to see the Nuggets finally beat one of them and win it all.
This years lakers aren’t even close to superteam and neither was Kobe lakers without Shaq even with shaq it’s just a duo not a superteam. Maybe the 80s was superteam
This was a good video breakdown , this is like anything in life, if you do it the right way it just feels better
I'm not a Nuggets fan , Jokic is one of my favorite players to watch, some of those passes you look at and go how did he do that? He's amazing. I'm an Aaron Gordon fan , I miss him in Orlando but it wasn't the right fit for him, he was expected to be first option, he works better as a third or fourth option , and I met him once at an Orlando Magic game. The fact Jokic is a second round pick is also another fact that's amazing to me.
❤Jokic and Nuggets are the best team mates ❤
I believe the Nuggets are capable of becoming a dynasty if they stay healthy and keep making smart moves and lets not forget time is on there side for now there three most important players which are Jokic, Murray, and MPJ are all still in there 20s and are in the prime of there careers they have potential of becoming something special for years to come.
Don't forget Aaron Gordon. He's 27 and made more impact in the playoffs than MPJ. He excellently guarded KAT, KD, Lebron, and Jimmy Butler while scoring super efficiently.
MPJ definitely not in his prime yet and I think Jamal Murray hasn't peaked quite yet. Jokic...idk man, how would he get better lol?
* Their, not there. 🐺
Greetings from Serbia 🇷🇸
Even KCP is only 30 years old.
That remains to be seen we said the same about Giannis bucks after 2021 ring and the league will target the nuggets since they’re defending champions in the upcoming season. So it’ll be hard and not only that the nuggets lost a big piece in Bruce brown unless they get a replacement for him from the rest of the bench or from a trade they are in trouble
Great vid.
I love basketball because people with different skills and colors come together to form a team and battle as one. For ESPN fools such as Kendrick Perkins to attribute Jokic success to his color was truly disrespectful. Racism to me is not just from white people. Some black people can be racist and we need to all recognize that and work together to address it. I wish Jokic nothing but continuous success.
He's very similar to Duncan in that he realizes that he's part of a team. This has been shown multiple times across decades as the recipe for success in basketball. The teams that make use of each player to their full potential is the team that wins championships.
The true TRUST THE PROCESS!!! They waited Murray, waitrd MPJ while they fullfill weaknesses!!!
Nikola "The Big Honey" Jokić
he carry the team and elevate his squad
The fact that team with the "process" slogan was failed, and their biggest star rival was finishing the process first before them...... Wow ..
Nikola "Him" Jokic
"Jokic" means "HIM" in Serbian
I think one of the things that people forget is just how many more great players are in the league at any given times right now. players are scouted earlier and more agressive than ever and Winning a championship even for the best players has gotten harder, in each playoffs there are at least 4 teams now that have very realistic chances for the title, another 2 who can make a miracle run and another 4-6, who can upset them. If you spaced this talent out the way it used to with one super star, another star player and a supporting cast around them, there would be 12 real contenders every season. I think we need to take that into account when we talk about stacking the deck. Having 2 superstars on your team is far from a guarantee for a championship these days.
It never ever ever was 😂
Also having 12 contenders would make it more difficult to win not easier. Nice try thou
The thing is that DENVER front office did it's job to organicaly create a competitive team .
A player on a team with terrible front office ( PORTLAND) is just stuck there and will never see a ring in his career.
Dame had good teams, he's just not good enough to take a team over the top. His style didn't equal playoff success.
Yes if that’s the case then he shoulda left to a team by that I don’t mean team up with Giannis and luka to get rings
@@saltymonkey8874 That and there's not many undersized players that can be the best on a ring winning team. Unless the rest of the team is extremely talented i.e. GS.
Dame just isn’t that caliber of player tbh. Those teams had talent, he’s just not a Giannis, Jokic or healthy kawhi. Those guys would’ve got at least one of those Portland teams to the finals.
@@saltymonkey8874 "Dame had good teams" Ok, what year was that "good team"suppose to win a ring or even make the finals?? Or are you just talking outta your ass?
It's ironic that not only Jokic turned out to be better center than Embiid, but also the Nuggets turned out to be the REAL "trust the process" team
1:38 - I love this hustle from Jamal Murray.
One reason Jordan is greater than LeBron because he did it the right way.
Can you not just enjoy both and not continue to push this MJ vs. LBJ conversation? They are two different players that just played the game and had the heart of champions. Different skill sets, different Era. No comparison needed.
Heart of champion? Lol he had to leave home and go to another man's team Wade already won Miami a championship.. Wade was the heart . JORDAN KOBE Jokic Dirk Giannis heart of champions
@ShatterTheSkiesAbove You're not getting it. Lebron didn't go threw real adversity to win his rings. That's one reason why he didn't have as much success as he should have, in terms of championships.
@@saltymonkey8874doing it the “right way” involves your team drafting & trading for HOFers with the best coach of all-time. very unrealistic
@@vintagemonte You mean drafting unknown players and hiring a rookie coach? I'm pretty sure Lebron had a #1 & 2 ranked team before he left. How is it the fault of the franchise for him not being able to get over the hill? Hell, he didn't even make a Finals appearance with those TOP RANKED teams.
Shoutout to Jamal murray and great recovery 🙌
Ya Raptors, Bucks and Nuggets won it the right way and restored my faith in NBA basketball (the league is still embarrassing tho)
What about the Warriors pre- and post-KD? Totally natural plus addition of motion offense by new coach Kerr.
Jokic and Giannis are the only two stars with no drama and egos. They just care about themselves and their teams. They don't care about what other players and the media think about them.
Yes Nuggets are built organically and they won the right way etc but also they only draft, trade for or sign HIGH CHARACTER players. They even have high character leaders on the bench (Jordan and Smith) to reinforce that character. The second that Hyland started to moan about his minutes and wasn’t committed to the team winning, he got shipped off to the clippers. You can’t win with Harden in your locker room. KD, Kyrie, etc are all good but they are about THEIR brand, which is fine, it’s a business, but that’s not what the Nuggets are looking for.
Wow Sir Charles, did he forget all those years back? Houston ! Pipppen, Clyde,Hakeem the dream,and himself Someone should remind him
i hate the loyalty to team argument. Team would not bat an eyelid about loyalty from their side and "you need to understand this is a bussiness"
Loyalty always is a two way street. It's always given and received at the same time or not there at all. I am pretty sure Steph Curry will get a nice contract from the warriors as long as he wants to play. Look at Dirk Nowitzki
One thing about what you say, I think Giannis has a very high usage rate if not the highest.
Nikola "The Big Woody" Jokic
Out of Denvers 7-8 man playoff rotation, 4 were drafted
Theres no right or wrong way to winning in the NBA tho , you either do it the easy way or the hard way
Unfortunately, winning rings the right way doesn't matter that much. People give shit to KD for his dumb decision, but no one actually considers him a 1x MVP, 0x Champion, 0x Finals MVP. People say it's worth less, but it's still on that players resume and in 30 years, not many will remember how he won it
bro what people say kd rings don’t count all the time
but Lebron gets a pass for doing the same thing as KD
This couldn’t be further from the truth. Zero people give any credit to Robert Parish for his forth ring. By your logic that forth ring he won at age 43 sitting in the bench watching MJ means just as much as the ones he got dominating in the 80’s.
Context matters. How many rings and how you got them is important. Look at Dirks legacy. Dude has 1 chip and is seen as a god in Dallas. KD has 2 and people already forgot he was a GS Warrior.
Yeah it does clown. That’s why a lot of people don’t respect Lebum or KD
It doesn’t matter to casuals and I guess this new era of fans. Because I have seen people like you mean who just look at it solely from numbers.
How is 2020 considered a weak championship, but 2015 isn’t?
Everyone has the exact same benefits and drawbacks to playing in the bubble. It was the most pure basketball you’ll ever get to watch as there aren’t any 3rd party things to influence the game.
It's hard for me to sit thru one of your videos due to the cadence you speak with. Videos are great but you gotta stop grouping words so suddenly and slow down a tad verbally. Much Love ❤
Wiggins and Jokic was actually drafted in the same year.
Superteam is when the big 3 or more are allstars in their primes. Stop changing the goalpost to drag older players being a super team. It’s always Lebron fans that do this.
Non of the Bulls teams were superteams. Barkley, Pip and Dream were old and way out their primes. That’s not a superteam.
but then when you bring up that Lebron played with Shaq, Ben Wallace, Shawn Marion, Ray Allen... they are quick to say they were old!
@@nydibs what does that have to do with the fact Lebron 3 out of 4 chips were with super teams?
And it wasn’t the players you mentioned that made them super teams.
You can’t just make up your own definition of a superteam buddy
@@gggyy7104 except I didn’t. That is what the media and Lebron fans called a super team. I’m using your own logic and definition on y’all. You change definitions to suit your arguments.
When someone is out their prime and not allstars, how is it a super team? Oh wait, I know, when it suits a Lebron goat argument, old dudes past prime are superteams so you can say Jordan etc had a super teams. You guys kill me lol.
@@snakebitten6967 There is not a single Lebron fan that gives 3 or more all stars as the definition of a superteam. Now you’re just making up stuff 🤣🤣. Y’all are the same people that call the 2014 Heat a superteam when Wade was averaging 13 ppg in the playoffs.
Warriors only became considered a superteam when no one could bear them. But all their core players were on the nuggets for years, except for kd. Thats the only time you could have considered them a "bought" super team
They won in 2015 & 2022 without KD as well. It’s not the warriors fault they drafted well lol. Picking up KD may have helped, but they did it the right way
Joker is a bus driver.
And helps the kids to be good riders
Horse chariot driver in Jokic's case
Barkley tried to join a superteam don’t forget the season before he joined the rockets he averaged 23 and 11 so cut miss me with past prime cause them legit numbers
Lmao, Phoenix dealt him to the rockets to get some pick for them, ageing Barkely is not good for a rebuilding team. Stop licking LeCry ass😂😅
I agree about the home-grown vs. superteam stuff, but dude Bradley Beal literally just turned 30 two months ago...so he's hardly "creeping into his mid-30's"
True, but I seriously doubt that's a trio that'll mesh well together. You don't want three score-first players in the same starting lineup (I speak as a Boston fan - Tatum, Brown and Kyrie/Kemba were such poor combos)
It's a terrible acquisition, but he was wrong about the age. He's dead on about they should've upgraded their interior. How on Earth did they look at that roster and decide they need perimeter scoring 😂
Woah woah woah. Bradley Beal is one day younger than me. He’s only 30, not his “mid-30s”
So did Giannis,
So did Steph.
Giannis yea... and you know damn well Steph didn't
James heat move was not weak, heat were not a playoff contender before that move. Save it.
Warriors won 2 without kd. It’s not their fault they drafted well.
Bradley Beal turned 30 two months ago and you said he's creping into his mid 30s
When a franchise spends damn near double what other franchises spend i hardly call that fair. Definitely you have and edge when you're spending more.
It's been the way to win in almost every sport. At least basketball has a cap. This could be baseball I mean look what the Yankees money has done for them. Nearly 30 rings haha
Giannis also did it the right way as well 💪🏾💯
LeBron, in 11 seasons in Cleveland, won one championship, lost four finals, and got swept twice 😬 7-19 finals record 😮
It took Jokic 8 seasons to win one championship in Denver, super hard to win a championship in small market teams.
@allprogrows358 I hear ya. But in 11 seasons in Cleveland it took a clutch shot to win a championship. If not for that shot, LeBron would have been 0-5 in the finals 😬
@@Adaptation49.42Will, enjoy your fantasy. In reality, he has 4 rings.
the nba media is located in a certain area and run by certain people. those people are gonna run their biases and force their opinions down our throats. if you have to deliberately join other established stars/superstars that to me is not impressive. when i look into the context of how a championship is won i cant ignore that certain teams were simply a mash up of established stars/superstars. its why i dont think the warriors dynasty was all that great of a dynasty. dont get me wrong those championships matter and nothing can take that away, but the warriors had 3 years there of easy breezy runs to the finals with kevin durant on that squad and everyone knew that was a cheap move. when i see other players who've won chips with a team naturally and organically, that to me is so much more impressive. like when people talk about lebron having 4 rings, i cant help but feel like 2 of those rings were not earned. especially if im comparing those miami heat runs with an actual historic run when lebron led cleveland to a chip.
Why am I so Cool?
Kobe without Shaq won 2 Titles but he didn’t make others better.
Imagine of Spurs drafted Jokic 😮
Common man dubs not drafted? What's wrong with Barkley dissing the fund but not the nuggets?
This drafted/not drafted determinant is not complete accurate. Is not building by trade that makes things "illegitimate" by most people's standards, but the star/superstars joining each other and looking for the easy path to 🏆
If you need to do that to succeed, you are just not up there, making your trip to the top a fabrication.
The draft is still good because even if a few turn out to be special, there is still the obvious development part and overall TEAM dynamics to accout for, which points out to the complete overall effort put in to.
You just explained why prime giannis and jokic are better then prime lebron
Only casuals think like this.
Only casuals don't think like this. Every real hooper knows lebum ran from competition in his prime 😂
@daddyfuse50 Garrett started the superteam era. Couldn't get out the 1st round till then. Meanwhile Lebron made the finals with Danny Gibson as his serving guy. Takes a superteam to beat one. You're such a casual.
The so called "Player empowerment" was the ruin of the nba. Lebron started this by going to Miami and killing the competitive spirit of the nba.
Once the best players (lebron and Wade were top 3) want to team up instead of competing, the nba is dead.
Thank God giannis and jokic brought it back to the organic way. If you're a top 10 player you have to win with your team.
The way lebron, kd, Harden, kyrie, AD are teaming up with each other sucks and is the death of the sport.
Don't. Watch. Or Cry harder.
💯. Only young kids don't remember how Lebum ruined the old NBA. And you never hear about it anymore because the biggest talking heads like Shannon and Nick Wright are signed by Klutch Sports. Lebum pays them to callhim the GOAT 😂 Jokic is a real competitior
Also everyone except bubba gump Kendrick Perkins knows this is the 3 time mvp .i like embid but come on its the joker today tomorrow and the next day i don't understand why people didnt want the joker to win 3 straight i hate to think it was about skin color that would really hurt the game.
Since 2010s most of the team who won, did it the "right" way, except for all Bron's team, Lakers with Kobe, Toronto myb cuz their best player was traded and lets put Warriors when they had KD cuz that team was just plain unfair.
@@4THA What about Spurs?
The bubble title is an embarrassment
So according to this video and Charles Barkley, the "right way" to win a NBA Championship is to let the franchise that drafts you have complete control over your career and if they happen to put you in a position to win one, cool, if not then I guess you weren't ever a "special" player. Hense why Charles failed to get a ring on 3 different teams I guess.
Lets say players like KD and Lebron won titles with their drafted teams first and then created super teams is that ok ? I think so
no, that only means it works. But as reality shows it doesn't. Team chemistry, which is obtained from years of being together is still the key to having a chip.
He should have just said lebron needs help 😊
barkly is a great guy, says some wrong and correct stuff. but a super team is just people showing they can work smarter. if your able to provide then someone will take the bait.
Lol, work smarter? You guys will make up excuses for your favorite players having zero competitive drive. Stacking the deck in your conference and practically walking into the finals is weak!!
@@saltymonkey8874 excuses for having no competitive drive? the whole point is to build a team that can win a chip what excuses can you make. if you dont wanna win you dont wanna win and your off the team. i wanna see my team win a chip. if u not motivated to win you dont have to join. i dont get your point.
Bruh how is the bubble a weak title. Everyone got the same amount of rest an played under the same conditions in the bubble. If anything it’s a tough title because u have to be mentally motivated to complete in a new environment.
A lot of people hold the opinion of a Mickey Mouse title but I think it’s dumb. If there’s no advantage to any team, then it’s not easier for anyone. Technically, playing Denver for half of the season makes players used to playing in higher elevation so that makes this championship have an asterisk. However, that’s just petty so it’s not worth the argument, similar to how a unique environment like the bubble should not be held against LAL. I think the hate is just LeBron-centered and we know this channel loves to criticize LeBron a bit too mich
winning on the road/defending homecourt, facing a hostile crowd/rising to the expectations of your fans. that's what makes the playoffs great. saying the 2020 ring is as valuable as every other ring is basically saying fans don't matter (which they clearly do, when homecourt has a 70% win rate)
Every Le Bron titile is weak even in Cleveland, because this is not natural one, but Le Bron is trying every year in last decade to go from superteam to superteam , and after he left that team needs to go to rebuild mode. First Cleveland, after Miami (when he promise 8 titles), and finally Cleveland again. In Lakers when he did not have all star teammate he did not enter play-off. In bubble he won championship with just one all star teammate, but in Cleveland and Miami even 2 all star were not enough. Compare this to Jokic who did not have all star teammate in whole NBA career. Golden State even when they made superteam with Durant, they just take him in free agency, but Le Bron titles are least natural, and he had maybe the most all star teammates in NBA history. @@jsmoove81519
The Lakers actually cheated and had been practicing in secret during the break when no one else was allowed to. So ya, the team that got to practice the entire time together during the break was the best team in the playoffs
CAP!!!
Players LOVE "empty gym hoops".
THEY WISH you'd stay home!!!
That's why for me Kawhi > KD
Well Frankly, NBA is a sports business. That being said, one method to the top is really no better than any other. Lakers have always drafted big names. They have 17 Championships. Mr Barkley may have some kind of sentiment about the whole thing but there isnt any real ethical value to placing one way to another.
Nikola 🐐 Jokic
Nikola Himkic and Giannis HIMtetokounmpo
how many title won barkley again?
ZERO
What’re your stats looking like in the NBA? Oh wait🥲
Nigga Barkley hurted your feelings or something
@@user-rq8py4in7r 5 big macs, 2 large fries, large coke, chocolate milkshake
He’s still one of the greatest players to ever step foot on a basketball court. This petty ammo some of you people have is embarrassing.
You know nuthing about being a champion chuck and saying done it the right way. . You aint got one.
That man said lebron had 3 of the weakest championships all time. Lol that’s funny. Good point not just lebron the KD rings in Golden State too.
Agree with everything but Curry did need a former #1 pick Wiggins to finally play like a #1 overall pick in the Finals to win. Wiggins is not elite but he was that Finals.
Nuggets got murray and MPJ who wants to show their Best..so basicly they got hungry players..so repeat is not impossible thing..but i think it depends on glue guy..like brown ect.but Jokić wont win MVP..cause as i said they will push murray AG MPJ for all star or even MVP..but i bet Sha or that dudd from twolves will get MVP theybare good andbhungry and team oriented in decent margin..
A super team that lacks blockbuster trades and put its trust in developing what they have no matter how bad they break lol. GO NUGGETS!
This is all MJ's fault and partially Kobe. The current players of nba probably witnessed MJ and Kobe have 3 peat and made it look easy. MJ did it twice within a decade!!! Then they realize it is not as easy as MJ and Kobe showed, so they did desperate moves, to even have at least a chip, LBJ is a prime example, he was so hyped but didn't lived up to it. He could level with duncan who silently won championship, but to reach MJ status is just impossible.
Give me Duncan over LeBron any day
Jokic was also kinda bad the first couple of seasons which gave Denver Jamal Murray
Luka, and LeBron was too good from the start, which resulted their team stuck in no mans land
Lebron was not stuck in no mans land. His team went to the Finals and then was ranked #1 & 2 in the NBA, that's not no mans land. What he failed to do is get them over the hump. He couldn't make the finals when he had his best teams...
He wasn’t what he is now, of course. But no he wasn’t “bad” by a long shot
skills could be learned thru years of hardwork, as long as the mentality is there. Plus make a working team chemistry and you got a championship contender.
This is what some of today's player who team hop got wrong. They think if you surround yourself with the best then the championship will fall into your lap. It takes more than that, maturity, mental toughness, team chemistry, how could you obtain that if you team hop?
This is why MJ and bulls started winning, they didn't look back. But then you have to ask why MJ still won the 2nd 3-peat if all the bulls in that 96-98 run were not in the 1st 3 peat except pippen. Is that because of leadership? Or is MJ just good at carrying a team to win chips.
Jamal was selected with a pick they got during the Carmelo trade, so Denver having a good or bad record had no affect on the the pick.
Anyway, Denver is a team that consistently finds productive players in the late first round and second round. In 20 years since getting Melo, the only other high pick Nuggets have had besides Murray is Emmanuel Mudiay.
Also, saying Jokic or the Nuggets were bad his first few seasons is a reach. Jokic was one of the finalist for rookie of the year and for the first 5 years in the Malone era, the team improved their winning percentage from the previous year. Would've made the playoffs in the 2nd and 3rd year if the West wasn't so stacked, missed by 1 game one year and didn't qualify the next year despite having better record than 3 Eastern playoff teams.
@strmshadow8411 The fact that you think the 09-10 Cavs were his best team, shows how much of a casual you are. Please learn hoops before commenting.
Immagine Superman joining forces with Lex Luthor. They would be amazingly unstoppable. But there would be nothing to watch for the audience. When prime NBA superstars decide to join forces, they are ruining the show and winning meh titles.
lol this list is great - LEBRON IS THE ONLY ONE WHO EVER WON WEAK CHAMPIONSHIPS
Let me start by saying there is no right way or wrong way to win! When you go back 20 years and look at any record book it will tell you who won and who lost not how they won! Or who got injured on their way to winning. So for someone who never won anything to be talking about how or the best way to win is unfounded...How would he know? Doing it his right way won him nothing...Let me also add players like Barkley tried forming super teams it just didn't work and he lost. I guarantee if he had won it would count big time for him...These super jealous envious old heads need to just go away and stop hating on today's basketball that still pays them handsomely....
Wasnt bought, made via the draft. So communism, not capitalism.
What makes a superstar? Must be at least 40 in the NBA now the annalist talk like. Need to start calling players like Embiid good/great players not superstar. 76's win has much with him has without him so how does that make him a superstar. I only see 3 superstars in the league right now my self. Think you need at least 1 championship before you are tag with SUPERSTAR. Superstar to me means the best of the best. Do not see players like Damian has a superstar. Great player sure but not a superstar. Has not won crap. Just because you are on a team that lets you jack up the most shots leading to the most points for that team does not make you a superstar Tatum and others. Superstars win championships. PS: AD can't cover Jokic. We just saw that in the 4-0 swipe.
Jokic would crack barkley, barkley too undersized
Charles is insecure.
Imagine teamed up with Hakeem and Pip and got nothing
All were old tbh
@@beery6659but they had chemistry
pip ain't gonna do much anyways let's be honest
they were washed, especially Hakeem. it was also a strike shortened season so they didn't have much time to gel.
Pippen is overrated. He was very good in the regular season and he underperformed pretty much all the time in playoffs.
Teams have no core, nba coaches arent leaders or not allowed to coach like europe, most of nba players dont care to win, only playoffs matter, teams give huge contracts to players that dont compete.
Charles only likes big men. That's why he hates on the Warriors they play small ball and have 4 chips doing it. It eats him up.
I feel like Lebrons “super teams” are a bit overblown… he all those teams are very top heavy with their big 3 or 2 with AD then it’s kinda role players around them especially with the heat and cavs return.. last years lakers after the trade had good depth and they made the conference finals with bron in his 20th year.. they still have pretty good depth and a roster that actually makes sense it seems or compared to the beginning of last year at least
the only reason Lebrons superteams are a bit overblown is bc Lebron never has enough help.
Not overblown at all. Recruiting All NBA players to form superteams is the definition of stacking the deck. He ruined the NBA.
@@sladewilson6924 what is all NBA players ? Lmao like I said most of his "super teams" are really top heavy with not crazy depth like other super teams or dynasty teams... the return to the cavs he recruited Kevin love and they traded Wiggins for him then most other signings he wanted or recommend were role players that he liked from the heat and it was 2 or 3 guys... and a lot of the all stars or big name players he played with were past their primes other than the other members of the big 3s wit the cavs and heat... and I wouldn't consider russ and AD and Bron a big 3... since AD got there they just been a big 2 amd AD misses a lot of games and is inconsistent lately or has big stretches where he looks dominant then stretches where he looks passive... And after the original cavs run and the team showed horrible management and ability to get players and Bron still made them contenders why would he not want a Lil more control or to have a say so in helping recruit players
@@sladewilson6924 and his last year in cleaveland had no big help at at and he still pushed them to the finals
@@KZA518 So he made the Finals in the weak as hell East. BFD. 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
Fake rings for Lebron and KD
Bruh not winning with the team that draft u isn’t a bad thing an neither is a super team. Not many players have the patience to wait on gms to build the right team around them.
They don’t got that dawg in them
Stacking the deck and jumping ship when the going gets hard is just a weak move and bad for game parity that's why it's frowned on
Jordan was patient with his GM. So was Lebron. The difference is Lebron just didn’t have it in him to make a team of average players into a great team. That’s why he had to go form a super team and jordan did not.
Look at history. Is it better to form a super team or build one?
Jordan’s bulls
Duncan’s spurs
Steph warriors
15 of the last 32 titles with a 15-3 record in the finals.
The lakers and Celtics in the 80s were also primarily built thru the draft.
That is one of the main reasons jordan Duncan and Steph will always have that respect, they won on their own and didn’t have to join other top level players. They helped build the teams they won with. Lebron didnt. It is what it is.
it is not bad, but don't expect accolades because hopping team when the going gets tough will not get you the natural respect people give to players like MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Steph..
How can Barkley be against superteams? He tried to form one with the Rockets but still couldn't get the job done.
That old ass rockets team 😭
@@andresdelportillo9917 its only a excuse.
the core played together for 8+ years. Stockton and Malone and Sloan were there since '84. They were old. @@beery6659
@@beery6659you said this same shit on someone else comment and that's cooked you for it .. Bulls and jazz have chemistry...
Bro you like the 3rd person that brought this shit up and the 3rd person to get cooked for it