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Wait, Trailblazers won against an Israeli team that no one in Europe even heard about? Maccabi Ra'anana is not Maccabi Tel Aviv. I like your videos, but this was a bad take 😬
@@alliesstartedww1308 nah bro in the last 15 years nba teams vs euro league teams have a record of 20-8 and not a single one of those games was decided even close to 50pt gap still nba champs are the best teams in the world just not by as much as some ppl think
@@alliesstartedww1308fuck no, Euroleague champions could defo beat the Hornets or some shit but it doen't change the fact NBA is the world's highest basketball competition without a question (even over FWC)
I'd say it's a moment for the rest of the world to enjoy a good round of America bashing. Here in the US, we aren't literally thinking of the world when we see sports titles bestowed with the words world champion, which we already know is not correct. It's just hyperbole that has stuck somehow.
They gotta wait for the 2025 Club World Cup for that title. I want to see a basketball equivalent to the Club World Cup, the best teams in the NBA, Euroleague, Australian NBL, Chinese CBA, Filipino PBA, etc. all face off to crown the true club basketball world champions. Yeah, it would probably be NBA teams winning it every time, but I’d watch it for the odd upset in the knockouts here or there.
The fact is that all the best players in the world are already playing in the NBA, so it's already a melting pot of the World's Best. So yes, the team that wins the NBA Championship, is the best team in the World. The Premier League comparison is bad because their are clear examples from the fact that the Ballon D'or is always won outside of the Premier League going to show that there are superior talent playing outside of that league, guys like Mbappe, Messi, CR7, Neymar, Neuer, Lewandowski etc. This has never been the case outside of the NBA, the top talent ALL AROUND THE WORLD has always resided already inside the league.
@@nozers The best team in the world right now is the Spanish National Team. You have to beat them to get the title...Also. NBA rules are very different to world cup rules...you can't travel every possessio xD
@@Freesion an nba team faces wayyyyyy harder competition then any other country team, beating the best in the WORLD, means you are a world champion, like it or not. Also did you even watch the video, America solos any other country in basketball
@@nozers no it does not work that way. They have to actually win a world championship to be World champions. Thats the whole purpose of a world championship.
IMO this is clearly is a US thing. For instance, the winner of the soccer Champions League (a tournament for the winners of each EU country league) doesn’t even dare to call themselves World Champions. And it would be absurd for them to do so.
Why would it be absurd? They should call themselves world champions, like you didn’t even give a reason. All you said was “winners of champions league don’t do it so no one should do it 🤓”
@nemooss3181 champions league winners are widely regarded as the best club team in the world despite not putting it on merch or medals. Still not a single player would say they are world champs unless they win the world cup. To do so would just come across as arrogance.
@@grahambreach662 you are not giving me an argument all you are saying is that “champion league winners don’t do it so nobody should do it🤓” what a dumbass statement. They should call themselves world champions because they beat the best in the world
@@nozers the UCL is where the arugment that they''re not the world champs is true because other European teams can beat Man City, no non US team is beating the finals champs
It’s right if you consider the best players in the world make it to the nba, in a decade the nba will only have 50% Americans or less, the best individual talents from ALL OVER THE WORLD go to the nba it makes sense you are just stuck on thinking about the World Cup but they are diff events
They are Americans... Second most NBA players growing up didn't really focus on education and gaining wisdom they primarily focused on basketball so outside of basketball most of them aren't really the sharpest tool in the shed.
Absolutely no one is debating if the NBA isn't the best in the world-it clearly is. This still doesn't make them "world champions" in a traditional understanding of the term.
NBA IS an association of national city teams with foreigners inside. It's not team USA which IS matched by serbian or french team... Usa 341 millions people, France 70 & serbia 7...
@TheMarkSasuke64 its even crazier hearing your admission that nba is best in world, then make the argument that league Champs aren't the same. No one curr 'bout this but hating ass haters, here and abroad.
As a European, I feel like it's ridiculous that I even have to say this. Nobody argues that the NBA is the best basketball league in the world by far and therefore the NBA champion is probably the best basketball team in the world. However, this doesn't change the fact that it is arrogant for NBA champions to call themselves world champions. The one and only reason for that is that they didn't win against teams from the whole world but instead only against NBA teams. Yes, they would probably beat every single other team but the point is that they didn't even compete against them so they do not have the right to call themselves world champions. To make it clear, let's just use football, the most popular sport in the world, as a comparison. In Football, the best league is the Premier League, not by a margin as big as the NBA in basketball but it's growing every year. You said that the NBA is a very international league, but it is nothing against the Premier League where 66% of players are foreign compared to the NBA's 21%. So do the Premier League champions call themselves world champions? No. To be fair, there is still one competition which is considered better even though it is not a league: The UEFA Champions League, which is an international European Football Cup. So the Champions League winners call themselves world champions, right? No. The winners of the Champions League compete against the winners of the other continental cups in the Club World Cup and the winner is called the world champion. In 9/10 times, the Champions League winner wins the Club World Cup as well but the point is that they competed against the best of the rest of the world so they can rightfully call themselves world champions. If NBA champions had the desire to call themselves world champions, they could easily go to the FIBA and ask for them to create a basketball world cup. But they have no right to do something like that after winning the NBA. The same goes for the NFL and of course the MLB. I find it really hard to believe that so many American NBA players made fun of Noah after his interview because the things he said were absolutely right. It's not that difficult to understand, you can call yourself a world champion if you beat the best teams all over the world, what is there to argue about that? It is not a coincidence that no foreign NBA player commented on this. It's nothing more than common sense to understand that Noah's statement is absolutely true. This wouldn't have even been a debate in Europe. Americans often don't seem to understand that there is more in the world than the US and they are not the center of the world...
I hope people take the time to read this because you are 100% correct and you really took the time to explain it in a way even a 5 year old would understand.
Who cares if your arrogant when in reality you truly are better then everyone else. If the Denver Nuggets were to play the best teams of every country they would win every single one, because the NBA is the pinecal of basketball. Is Noah Lyles arrogant because he's saying he's the fastest man alive even though he hasn't raced every single person in the world? No, he's not arrogant in saying that and he doesn't have to race every single person in the world to prove he's the best in the world. It's the same for the NBA champions, there's no way any other team beat's the Denver Nugget's, and if American NBA player's truly cared about the olympics as much as they did about the NBA championship, they would never lose a gold medal either because even though the best player in the leauge right now is European, there is a larger amount of American Basketball players that are better then the world. So I really don't give a shit if other countries are pressed about it and I don't think it's arrogant of NBA teams to name themselves the best when it's a clear fact that they are, just as Noah Lyles is clearly the fastest man alive.
In soccer they don't just have a World Cup but they also have a Club World Cup where the best teams of every continent plays a small tournament to prove who is the best in the world . The European team is always the favorite team because they are the best but that doesn't mean they can just ignore inferior competition from other continents and even prior to that they have to win against other countries in Europe to see whos best in that continent. The NBA are already trying to appeal to soccer fans with their new in season tournament format. I would rather see that against international teams but skipped to the elimination round
@@laskurtanceixixii do NBA? Oh they don't play so we don't know. They are 15-4, and early 2000s where a time when Europe was not so dominant. If you exclude this, then yourope is 15-1
The Champion's League in Football is the equivalent of the NBA: the best teams in Europe are playing, and the winner is arguably the best team in the world because no other team in the world would be able to beat them. Yet, they would never call themselves the "World Champions". This is such an American ego thing to do, really.
since 2007 only once the CL winner lost in the Club Worldcup against a Brazilian team. But yes you have to play that kind of tournament to earn that title and not just assume it.
Imagine the Manchester City saying yes that moment when we beat Inter Milan in 2023 at the champions league was when we knew we were “World Champions”.
Thats not at all what its like, are 90% of the best players in that league? If u want to actually make a name for yourself and money its obvious. If u wanna call urself a world champ then beat our Olympic team which is made of role players. Oh wait u cant
@@zackeryblackmer8491 yes, the best players in the world are consistently in the uefa champions league. and those who are not are the ones who couldn't even qualify to the CL. also, lithuania just smoked the usa team
many words without knowledge, the best players are playing in europe in terms of football, the Club WC is normally won by the CL Winner , since 2007 one brazilian team has won it. In Sports you dont just assume titles, you have to earn them. But its nothing new that americans think they are the entire world.@@zackeryblackmer8491
@@Okok30308 if you go by that logic then the next NBA champion should not be called world champs coz they lost to Lithuania, Germany and Canada. OR you can just call the winner of the olympics the World Champions, instead of giving it to the winner of the US NATIONAL Basketball Assoc.
@@Okok30308 and basketball is a team game. So having all the best players on the same team can’t always guarantee a win. Factors such as chemistry, system and compatibility are in play.
We don’t have a club basketball tournament world wide because nba teams would win every time. Since that doesn’t exist, you can call the winners world champs because they’re the best team in the world and they won the most coveted basketball trophy.
@@eliyarrows2456 04’ Olympics Melo, Lechoke, Iverson, Duncan, Wade…winner Argentina. You still need to win a world championship to be called world champion.
@@eliyarrows2456just by default? That’s just ignorant and not how it would play out 100% of the time. Are NBA teams gonna win a theoretical worldwide tournament most of the time? Yes absolutely. But calling yourself world champions “because the best players in the world play in the NBA” and therefore they must always win is just a really stupid statement. It’s just plain ignorant
@@jakob9614 exactly, what chance did the Pistons have over the Lakers or Mavs over the Heatles? Upsets happen and BS hypothetical wins should never be granted in any sport, to be a champion you have to prove it.
Lyles is right! Also, as a personal rule, if Perkins says something is wrong (or right) 99.9% of the time, the opposite is the correct answer. So, Lyles is definitely right!
@@Jajsnsjsn22/23 Man city is litteraly the third best team of the century right after Barcelona 2009/Madrid 2017, Man city won everything last season and are not considered world champs, simple as that
It’d be pointless for the nba to engage in even an exhibition (at the least) with overseas teams. No overseas team is beating the nuggets. It would just be the nba spending millions in promo for overseas players.
@@jerseydevil1We all know NBA champs are the best team in the world, but they are champions of the US, as in football whoever wins Champions League is proclamed Champion of Europe even if everyone knows they would clap overseas team's ass
Wikipedia’s definition of “world champions” literally states the obvious. Can’t believe my guy try to justify with all this extra rubbish in this video.
@@grezende4056 no. We are fully aware of who our president is and everything that comes with it. Our county is pathetic and too concerned with fantasy genders and sad leaders. Unfortunately, we have to hit rock bottom before we acknowledge the situation we’ve created for ourselves so we can begin to grow and become the nation our ancestors envisioned.
This is not just a matter of technicalities and semantics, this is also a matter of humbleness and respect, something that many people in the USA lack.
Exactly!! Like this video, the guy KNOWS that BY DEFINITION they are not world champions, but he came with 10 minutes of excuses to why they still should have the title. It's just lame.
@@davidrafferty2491 It doesn't matter what countries the players are from. it matters who is able to compete in the competition, and in NBA that's solely teams that are based in North America, excluding any team from anywhere else. You wouldn't see the premier league champions in football boasting that they are world champions eventhough that's arguably the best football(soccer) league in the world. You wouldn't even see the Uefa Champions League winners say that even though it is a fact that all of the best teams in foorball are European since it's only a competition that European teams can enter. The only time you will see a football team claming world championship status is after the World Cup for clubs. Which is between the winners of Champions leagues from all over the world.
Same as being the best team in the NBA and being NBA champions. People talk about the 72-9 Warriors being arguably the best team in NBA history but they weren't NBA champions though 😂😂😂. Why? Because you still have to go out and win titles.
@@Okok30308But how does that make the team that wins the NBA Finals “world champions”? You’re conflating the two. No one on the soccer side would call Manchester United World champs if they win the premier league. Even if England, the international team is very successful. There are no flags in the NBA Finals.
@@Okok30308 actually it’s stated pretty clearly by the federations that run sports that have the Olympics and the world championships that when you win in the Olympics, you earn the title of “Olympic champion,” and when you win a world championship, you earn the title of “world champion.” For example, a sprinter or swimmer can win a world championship and not participate in the Olympics, in which case he would be called a “world champion” but not an “Olympic champion.” Vice versa, if you win in the Olympics but don’t even participate in the world championship, you can be called an “Olympic champion” but not a “World champion.” To earn a title to your name, you need to partipate in and win the tournament that gives you that title.
6:48 This is the dumbest argument ever. The champion of the premier league isn't world champion only because the premier league has many foreign players from all around the world. Thats the reason why usually those foreign player play for their home country in the world cup and only when england wins this particular world cup they can call themselves world champion.
I tried to explain this (calmly) to an American, I felt like I was talking to a child who was banging his head against the wall and shouting: I am the world champion blah blah blah!! I don't want to understand your basic logic... Amazing, I wonder what they put in the water there^^
My Hometown won the national cup in Football (soccer for the american). Since every team have at least 30% of inport players, I suppose it means that Bern is the world champion. Thanks!
Lil bro you forgot team USA won 10/15 tournaments they showed up to and medaled in 13. Team USA this year quite literally doesn’t have a single player above top 25 arguably top 30. Nearly 10% of the league is better. You’re wrong about the nba not having the best teams
@@trashygamer7014 The argument isn't that they don't have the best teams in the world, it's that you can't crown yourself the world champion while playing in a domestic league
Exactly, in football, whoever wins the champions league aren't "World Champions", even though there would be no team from any other continent that could beat that team. It's just weird
It’s a technicality, but reality is, when you’re the best team in the world, winning in the best league of the world, you have the crown. No need to have to play against lower competition to prove that
The fact that so many players felt the need to criticize him kind of proved his point. Plus, there isn't any other country or sport that does this. The champions league winners don't call themselves world champions, they have to actually play the other continents.
I don't get that logic? "A person faced criticism from a group for statements he made regarding said group. This is proof that the criticisms are correct" Wut....
Facts, I mean there is no doubt at all that the NBA champions are the best in the world, but to actually call your self a world champion you need to play against teams all over the world. Winning the NBA just makes you the NBA champion no matter how much better the leagues is than others across the world
u right also being the best in the world means beating other nations not picking up evry superstar the other nations have add them to your roster and now saying lets fight. cuz if that's the case the saudi football league champions shoul call themselves world champions cuz all the best players are in there that's bullsh*t jimmy and you know it
This argument can be solved pretty easily by looking at the definition of 'world champions'. A world champion is someone or a team that has won a international competition that is open to the whole world. So the nba champions are not world champions because nba teams dont compete with teams outside of NA. Nobody is arguing that the nba champion is the best team in the world but they are by definition not allowed to call themselfs world champions.
Not just about competing globally but representing your nation! As the nba is a mix of many international players how can they be the best nation if they are from different countries, you cannot compare a club team with a national team, clubs are businesses that invest millions in order to win trophies, national teams is just about the raw talent that comes from within the country. So when people try to compare clubs with national teams are just wrong
"international competition that is open to the whole world."...yet No Jokic, Wembanyama, Giannis, Porzingis, KD or LeBron participating. I could host a basketball tournament tomorrow, and say everyone's invited, and then win it...am i world champion?
@@davidrafferty2491 No, you cant, cause there are actually associations for each sport which handle these kind of things and govern the sport. anywhere else in the world and in every other sport (except for american football and ice hockey), top athletes are actually honored to represent their country, even if its a lower quality competition or game. And just like in basketball athletes could also refuse to represent, for various reasons, but this rarely happens (mostly when you get too old), but the reason most of these star players dot represent, is because these three (club based) sports leagues implemented a culture of denying/refusing/trying to keep them off the national teams because not caring about anybody else but themselves. World Champions, the Denver Nuggets? No, Germany!
@@MIZZY5174The gap between the Champion's League winner and teams from other continents is HUGE. I don't know if bigger than that between the NBA champions and the Euroleague champions, but it's not that far off.
Fr. This is like that moment when you're arguing with the class and you know you're right, but the whole class disagrees including the teacher, so you might as well be wrong.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 the stupidity of non americans is astounding. the us couldn't beat the germans because the germans aren't good enough buddy. the germans actually have to win in the elimination games to play the americans. and dont act like in a bo7 series the US are not winning in 4-6 games. the delusion you have is actually mindblowing. everyone knows the NBA is the best league in the world, and that the US national team is the best team in the world, the point is that they aren't world champions if they are only playing american teams. but everyone still knows they are the best, your comment just sums up every brainless instagram hater who can't stop hating on the US, yet its the most immigrated country by far. people hate so much yet they can't stop coming
How you just talked for 12 mins admitting he's right, then arguing he's wrong, was really entertaining because of the ridiculousness. Thank you for that.
He didn't do that at all. It's called the "National" Basketball Association because it was originally founded as an American league. But 1/4 of the league is international, and it's hands down the best league in the world, and it's not even close. The argument that they aren't technically world champions because they never played the games is preposterous. Let me demonstrate: would the Denver Nuggets also need to beat every grade school team in the world to prove they are "world champs"?
@@jasjfl How can you be champion if you didn't play the games? There's a difference between being "the best team in the world", which the NBA champions are, and being "world champions". Team USA are world champions, not Denver. You don't need to beat every team in the world, but you need to win a tournament or competition where the best teams from everywhere in the world had an opportunity to participate. For example, soccer has the club world cup where the winners of the continental competitions face off. Every team in the world in the highest division can theoretically qualify for that tournament, so the winner is the world champion.
@@jasjfl Why are you overcomplicating this. The NBA is an American League. Just like there's a Spanish league and a Greek league. The champions from those other leagues do not call themselves world champions, instead they are Spanish and Greek champs. Yes, the best players come to the American league, but that still does not mean they are WORLD champions. Create a club world cup where each champion from different continents compete each other and then you can call yourselves the World Champions.
@@boki9790 why are you being obtuse on purpose? Denver would annihilate the league champion from any other country in a best of 7 series. A team MIGHT be able to win one game. But a series, never. If Denver (in a hypothetical world club tournament) and team USA both won championships in the same year then who is world champion? If Denver played a team with all the rest of the best players in the world they would surely lose. This is all semantics. Everyone knows Denver is the best club team in the world easily. This whole thing is contrived to be some stupid thing about Americans being obnoxious. I’m no nationalist, I don’t even like America all that much. This whole point about them needing to beat vastly inferior teams is just stupid as fuck.
I agree that the team that wins the NBA finals is easily worthy of being called the best team in the world, but if they aren't the world champion by definition then Noah has a valid point.
@@DoctorBeeesnaw not false at all Reigning Gold medal winner in the Olympics if Germany is so great they should beat America in Paris but hey people still won’t call America the best because they like to ignore it and lie about NBA not being the best league in the world
Americans mix up the titles of „best team“ with „world champs“. This is two different teams. The letter requires you to win a tournament that offers the world championship as the price. Btw: arguing US is world champs because they beat the latest olympics is the dumbest thing I heard in a while (see comments to your post)
Think it’s more foolish to act as if the Olympics aren’t where you go to prove you are the best in the world aka world champions America is playing the game and now people are scared or what gonna say they aren’t the best or earned the Gold 😂 or the fact is if Germany is the best they should win gold ...right .......🗿 in Paris vs USA playing serious lastly be it reigning Gold medalist or the day they win it stays the same as usual (dumbest shit I heard latest Gold winner isn’t the best after proving it 😅)
@@amevirgule tell me my entire point went over your head without telling me my entire point went over your head… typical non Americans getting angry that the United States hosts the best basketball league in the world that dwarfs every other one
@@shadowyogi3921I think almost everyone loves NBA, hates ignorant Americans that call their National champions “World Champions” and recency applies for future predictions so you meant Americans are sick for calling themselves World Champions by default?
@@frigid3810 Idk where you got that impression. It seems like you wanna argue about something i’m not talking about. I was referring to the younger guys that don’t take Team USA serious like Kobe and those other guys did. Needless to say when KD tries to clown Lyles he’s clowning himself since an NBA title isn’t a world title. Simple as that
@@frostedhams younger guys rn dont want to play cuz their organization dont want to also. I mean organization pay their players to play in the nba not for world cup. And I mean if i own an organization and im paying a dude 200 mil in 4 years i wouldnt risk injuries 🤷♂️
“Dude has done More for American Sports” Anyone willing to make such hyperbolic, unquantifiable, wild statements has no idea wtf they’re talking about. You’re ignorant to the point of pity.
@@xavierb9061 yes they probably are but it's not been proven. Even if the chance of them winning is 99.9% there is still a slight chance they could loose. And there is really no need to call yourself world champion anyway. Just do it like they do in football/soccer. Also the point about the league having more and more non-American players and that they make up a lot of the best players in the league including the last five mvp winners doesn't really help the argument because it just shows that the talent outside of America is steadily growing and I would say catching up as well. And yes most of the best non-Americans go to play in the NBA but that doesn't mean that the others are bad or aren't growing because the way it's going there might come a time very very long from now when the NBA isn't the be all and end all of basketball.
@@xavierb9061the point flew over your head. you can’t just assume a world championship, you have to actually beat teams around the world to be crowned world champions. sure, the nuggets are probably the best team in the world right now, but there’s still a slight chance they’d lose a game
Does not matter how many international players might be in a league. Does not matter how many international friendlies you played and won either. The title of a world championship defines literally how many international championship games you played and if you came on the top or not. The only place to claim that title is either in the World Cup or the Olympics.
@@notechb0ss2.05 Yeah, the whole fucking argument is strictly technical, semantics. Who is 'technically' right is just straight up right in this case, and for this "argument" it'd be Noah Lyles.
@@notechb0ss2.05 meh upset happens, like Club World Cup in football, Europe federation is similar to NBA compares to the rest of the world, the best players in the Americas , Africa, Asia all play in Europe. Europe still lost the Club World Cup 4 times out of 20.
You could say that the NBA is the best league in the world talent wise, but until you beat other countries in a tournament with your "National team" (not an NBA team) then you cannot be called "World" champions. That is actually pretty straight forward to grasp and so Lyles was 100% correct. Germany, for example can call themselves world champions for the next 4 years till the next FIBA world cup
@technewseveryweek8332 Correct. The Denver Nuggets are world champions. What part of that is too hard for your small mind to comprehend? They are the best basketball club in the world.
in 2010 the Lakers lost to Barcelona after winning the Championship and in 2014 the Spurs lost to Alba Berlin, after beating the Miami Heat, so does this make these two European teams world champions??.No, and nor does winning the NBA finals does.
whats worse in jimmys take is that he took games NBA teams had with ALL overseas teams , even 2-3-4 division teams. He did not look to compare the stats against Euroleague teams alone in world rules (fiba).
He said what every non-American sports fan has been saying for decades. It's crazy that champs of all the major American sports leagues call themselves "World Champions".
that’s the ‘Murica ego in a nutshell, you’ll notice not even the winner of the Champions League, the most prestigious club tournament in football worldwide, is called “world champion”, they’re the european champions, because it’s a European tournament, the only tournament that can grant you the “world champion” title as a club is the FIFA clubs’ World Cup, where the winners of each major competitions face each other. If the NBA wants to give their teams a chance to call themselves world champions, they should work with other major international leagues to form a sort of club world cup. Now that would be interesting, international basketball has grown massively to the point where the majority of the top 10 best players in the NBA are foreigners.
@@unc54There is a world cup every 4 years and that gives us the World Champion! The same thing goes for any team sport played in Europe...e.g. Basketball.
The NBA might as well be considered a world stage since all of the best players and all of the best teams in the world all just happen to be in the NBA. The only "issue" is that all of the competitions just so happen to be in USA borders
@@ogTryhard21in order to become world champion the competition must have countries as teams. Like in the fifa WORLD cup, where for example it's England vs Spain, not Barcelona vs liverpool.
@@jerrymiemarcuslmao tell me with a straight face that if the 15 players in the NBA took the Olympics/FIBA serious and played they wouldn’t win every time
@@jerrymiemarcus We're not talking about soccer fool. We're talking about basketball. By the way what country wins the Olympic gold medal every four years for mens basketball?😂
The thing that most people don't get is that winning a world cup makes you (and by proxy, your country) the world champ, winning the nba finals means nothing, it just means you won the top league with the top talent, it would be like saying that if a team wins the Premier League or the Champions League they are world champs because they won the biggest league in the world, it makes no sense. Noah is right.
But thats it… premier and champions.. 2 leagues that are almost comparable and almost alike.. theres no other league almost close to being comparable/competitive enough like the NBA. I mean the Euro League but cmon the NBA literally sends washed players there and their best players come here
There is no other basketball league comparable to the nba I’m starting to think u football fans are slow in the head it’s not a proper comparison between the sports
I don’t understand how you guys keep trying to complicate this topic. It makes absolutely 0 sense for the nba champions to play another league. They will destroy them by 200 it’s a waste of time nobody wants to watch that. The best competition is already in the nba not anywhere else in the world.
When you mentioned the thunder absolutely destroying the Adelaide 36ers, you forgot to mention that the same 36ers team also beat the Phoenix Suns by double digits a few days prior
Because d book played 22 min since it’s pre season. You have to use context. The suns are not playing to win they playing to warm up for the nba season🤦♂️
@@VeNom321GD idk about the other team so I just assumed they played they best and the only reason why I say that is because most of them are playing to get a nba contract sometimes. But you could be right
I am not saying Jimmy is wrong, but immediately after he posted this the US team (All NBA players) lost to Lithuania (1 NBA player) and the Canadian team (10 NBA players) lost to Brazil ( 0 NBA players ).
They aren't the NBA best players dude. These are supporting players playing America's games. If America sent a team of the best players they have it would just be another World Championship sweep. Either way though, the Denver Nuggets are world champs cause they would sweep the world, it doesn't matter if they aren't a country team. Don't actually delude yourself into thinking NBA champs would lose to any country team.
@@icyyy_sg3682Props to Servia for having the best player in the world, beating Americans and non-Americans in the National Basketball Association “World” Championship of United States aka “The World”.
Canada had a whopping 1 top 15 nba player. The rest can barely crack top 75. Team USA was missing Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Stephen Curry, a possible Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Jayson Tatum, Devin Booker, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Buckets, Ja Morant, etc. not only this but he said NBA, the best current NBA players include multiple international players. No offense but your point is retarded.
@@icyyy_sg3682I let you know 😊😊 kobe lakers champs in 2010 lost to Barcelona European champs who were a super team back then 😊😊 are you so sure about what you say 😊😊 that barcelona team could face anybody 😊😊
Jimmy got it right by pointing out that all basketball players worldwide want to play in the NBA, but it's the same in football: everyone wants to play for a top-tier European football team. At the same time, it's the definition of being a world champion, that you won it with YOUR country and not with a team, that all players across the planet are playing in.... truly a problem of the classic American mindset
then why is messi in America ronaldo in saudi and neymar in saudi LMAOOOO that’s like lebron jordan and curry playing in china i get your argument though
@@s.s9221in Messi case he's won all the important title in Europe and for the international team. He could have kept going since he had offers to other European teams. Ronaldo just got pushed out in the end and Neymar just wants that Saudi money
This is not correct. That is what the World Cup and Olympics are for. You can still have a Club World Championship where players don’t play for their country. This is not an American mindset seeing how soccer does this exact same thing WORLDWIDE.
@@jordannietosComoon bro,the US doesn't need the superstars to win the world championship?Let's be realistic,even with a C team the US would win the world championship with ease.European national teams are much better now and have very good individual players,but comoon bro....Like one basketball expert from Serbia said;This was the last chance for one European team to win the world championship,the US will not make the same mistake again.
@@jamesfletcher1493no Americans are butthurt lmao actually there's a lot of Americans that actually agree with lyles statement so please stop riding our meat
Americans didn’t played Europeans for almost 8 years, just australian and israelis teams, and uses this as argument like: “see, I beat this Israeli team with a 30+ points difference, we’re the best in the world” Dallas Mavericks lost to Real Madrid, and teams like Pacers or Grizzlies would lost 9 outta 10 to teams like Fenerbaçhe or Barcelona They’re so brainwashed that it’s hard to believe
@@m1lkbagsyeah exactly we aren’t debating they are the best, but saying the US wins the world tournaments so nba is world champion or because the teams are the best they’re world champs? Like nah you have to win an international comp or win w a national team
@@N17-o2r I tried to explain this (calmly) to an American, I felt like I was talking to a child who was banging his head against the wall and shouting: I am the world champion blah blah blah!! I don't want to understand your basic logic... Amazing, I wonder what they put in the water there^^
Love your videos Jimmy but this was a hard watch. NBA is by far the best basketball league but it's still played in America. If you wanna call yourselves World Champions, FIBA should make a Tournament where you play all the best teams from the other continents like FIFA do, with the Club World Cup.
@@Niberspace In what way? Real Madrid beat the Dallas Mavericks just a week ago. FC Barcelona beat the 2010 Lakers after they won 2 consecutive NBA "world" championships. German team Alba Berlin beat the 2014 Spurs. All of these American teams were using their complete roster, absolutely no excuses. Please make your case as to why NBA teams should be called "world champions"
@@davidsoup1738yeah but that’s clearly not a competitive game, it’s called preseason for a reason, Wrexham beat Manchester United in preseason does that mean they’re better
Great video as usual but this is the first time I totally disagree with what you are saying. And I think it's great that at the end you state that that it's your opinion. Because fact is, everything you highlighted shows that the NBA is just a domestic league filled with the best basketball talent the world can offer. That doesn't automatically translate to it being a world championship though, it's still just a national championship because there are no international teams competing. The international players competing there are representing domestic teams from the United States. Man City are probably the best football club team in the world right now. They won the prestigious UEFA Champions League just a few months. And they are rightfully called European champions. No one refers to them as world champions. They will have to earn that title at the FIFA club world cup later this year. I have a 99.9% certainty that they'll probably win the title but there are no formalities in sport and that's why you have to go out and earn every title or accolade, it is not handed over to you. The stats you shared prove that. As dominant as U.S teams have been there are times when they've been upset by national or international teams from other countries. Even the NBA itself shows there are no formalities in competition, you still have to go out and win. Miami showed that this year. All throughout the NBA playoffs they were the least favored to win yet they made it all the way to the Finals. If we were to use your logic then we wouldn't even have to step on the court, we would just give wins to teams whom we think are better or are the best on paper. But that's not how competition works.
I'm with you on that. He basically sounded like he gave them 0 credit and seems more annoyed that himself, a world champion track star, is not getting the same recognition.
How is he right when it’s a world league. People all around the world 🌍 dream to play in the NBA and some actually make it smh. How many people you know dream to play in the euro league smh he dumb as hell
@@felixreardon4335 Don't jinx it, those guys might not be competitive next year. Bron is 38, KD 34, Curry 35, Butler 33, Kawhi 32. Only Tatum would be on top of his game if he's not injured. How many of them would be free of injury by August next year? Let's wait and see.
It might be a strange choice of words but I don’t think it’s arrogant. It’s pretty obvious that the NBA is miles ahead of any other basketball competition. The champs are the best team in the world at that time. It’s just semantics. Having a global competition at this point would be a formality and people still wouldn’t care as much as they do about winning an NBA title. That might change in the coming decades.
World Best vs World Champion. Often the same but not in this case. Noah is on point. Jxmy when you admit he is technically correct, then he is correct.
ikr, it's basically saying that since LaLiga is one of the best football leagues in the world and there are more foreign players than national players in Barcelona (which are the current champions), it means that they are the best in the world, which in this case are either Manchester City or Real Madrid
@@SouthJerzVillains It's definitely not and it amazes me how hard it is for Americans to understand this. Perfect example is soccer, the team that wins the Champions League is the best team in the world, but no one calls them world champions, even if there is a ton of players from all over the world playing in the Champions League. It makes sense when it comes to national teams, you could say Spain or the US are world champions because they're the last ones to win internationally recognized tournaments, but it makes no sense to call yourself that if your league is only played in one region.
@@blazer7731 theres probably no other league in basketball that can even come close to the nba soccer is a complete worldwide sport with many good leagues all over the world. comparing apples to oranges
5:42 - "The title of world champion doesn't inherently come from being the best in the world, it comes from winning a competition that includes the entire world. Or does it?" Yes, it does.
And the best players from all across the world all play in the NBA… idk how hard this is to understand. Name one player that could be an MVP candidate in the NBA that doesn’t play in the NBA
@@christosbelibasakis2296 that's not the point, how many times do we have to say it, we are not even talking about the same thing. The Denver Nuggets are the best team in the world, but that's not what we're talking about, are you even listening ?
Given that name, and stuck with it You’d be an idiot to think the nba is only a national league at this point There’s players from all around the world that compete in the nba 6:20
@@thetf8142 Yes it is still a national league. The EPL in England is composed of 66% foreign players and it's still a domestic league. The NBA on the other hand is made up of only 23% foreign players. Even if it was 100% foreign players, that wouldn't change the fact that it is a NATIONAL LEAGUE
@@gideonomeri6671you missed the whole point of the video. by technicalities, yeah they shouldn’t be called world champions, but because the best players in the world are in that nation, United States, there’s an argument that they can be called world champions
Noah is 100% Correct. In Soccer for example many would argue that the Premiere Leuage(UK) or LaLiga(Spain) are the best Leagues but winning that league doesn't make them World champions. In those leagues there are even more international players and more games then in an World-cup but that doesn't change the fact that Winning the World-cup makes you a Worldchampion. And thats why the NBA does not make you a Worldchampion.
Yeah but the talent level competing in the FIFA World Cup and the significance of winning a World Cup far outweighs the importance of a the FIBA World Cup or Olympic Gold Medal in Basketball. And you can ask damn near any football fan and they will say there country winning a World Cup means more than, there favourite premier league team winning the prems, or your favourite LaLiga team winning the LaLiga or even your your favourite team winning the Champions League. You can’t apply the logic of other sports to basketball since it’s just so different. Like Dennis Schroder was the FIBA World Cup MVP be we all know for a fact he ain’t at that same level in the NBA.
cool england by far the best league in the world still aint no wolrd champ, ucl winner are called champions of europe even tho the quality difference is so high its just as high as the nba compared to others, only when they win the club world cup are they world champs and even then a team like barca or madrid would rather take a ucl, la liga, copa del rey, super copa, super cup over a club wolrd cup since its so pointless but they still gotta compete@@nothingnew7273
@@nothingnew7273this argument will never be valid it's literally called NBA and N stands for national it's plain disrespectful to everyone else involved to say that the NBA champions are world champions especially to Germany who actually are the world champions
Bullshit NBA is the best league in the world for basket ball and need I bring up team USA winning gold what 99% of the time cementing the title of best of the best
The champions league is the clear example. Whoever wins clearly is the best team in the world but everyone will say “champions of europe” until they win the fifa club World Cup. The match is often nothing more than a formality but still the only way to rightfully earn the title “World champion”
You are right, yet the current Wolrd Champions still are the spanish national team. Kudos to Lyles to speak about something obvious for most of the people.
@@pabloruedaarzoz8065 Because the players want to get ready for an NBA championship because it serves more merit than a world championship. You're beating the best talent in the world, whereas in the world you're essentially rolling through teams you already know you'll roll through.
The point is not that denver would beat any other team in the world....the point simply is as long as they don't, they can't call them selfs the world champions Saying otherwise is just ignorance Imagine if they crowned the warriors the NBA champions in 2016 because they were clearly the best team in the nba by long shot.......u see what I'm saying 😂
@@the935dudew3that’s not even true, for example in football, there’s a club World Cup and it’s the best team in Europe against the best team in Asia, Africa, Oceania and South America. You’d expect the European team to win it all the time yet that’s not true. (It also brings quite a big audience)
@@the935dudew3 there is no such thing as 100% losing when it comes to competition 2. According to you, the warriors shouldve been crowned nba after going up 3-1 in the finals facing the cavs....cuzz the possibility of a team coming back from being down 3-1 is mere 4.7%....so basically the warriors playing a game 5 was a waste of time and they shouldve been awarded the chip after game 4, correct??
@@thouinarthurthe difference between Europe and the world in football isn't comparable to the US vs the World in basketball. It's asinine to even try and draw that comparison.
Crazy thing is you see no international players saying anything. Insecure American players the only ones saying that. I bet if you ask Jokic if you would consider him a world championship I would bet he would say no, he’s a NBA champion, not a world champion.
One thing they played in both leagues he would say yes because he knows the competition over here is tougher he doesn’t need to play against them with his world champion team to prove it he knows
@@manuelgibbons5903once again, world champion and club champion are simply fundamentally different, by definition. If you want to be dense and obtuse, you can try to make the argument that Lyles is wrong. I’m American and what he said is common sense.
I find it funny others sports in USA called themselves world champions except football or whatever you call soccer because they know they're not even the best at CONMEBOL lol
Might be because America has the best Basketball League and wins what 99% of the gold in the Olympics in Basketball and 161-17 is a lot better or 41-1 in the past decades
If 111-12 isn’t a good argument what is should it be 121-12 or 131-12 for it to show how much better the League is and Team USA especially with the 26+ point blow out margin you’d think it’d be close
Not even teams that win the champions league call themselves world champs, and there’s a whole bunch of international players in there. Noah is 100% correct.
This is a good point. But my rebuttal would be if there is a stat that could show how premier league teams do against other league teams like how it showed USA basketball has won ~90% of their games in the last 4 decades. Then I would give you more credit. But perhaps since futbol is more popular than basketball it could mean that futbol is more competitive internationally instead of how basketball is more centered in the USA.
@@elazer7116i think that’s irrelevant though. The team who win the UCL every year is clearly the best team in the world, but they never call themselves that until they win the club world cup, a competitive competition with actual merit which comprises of the winners from the UCL, Copa Libertadores, Asian champions league and African champions league. The European team almost always wins, but at least that way, it’s certified. The NBA teams hand pick European teams and play them in friendlies. That is not the same at all😂😂 thats incredibly stupid
@@brendonutjitaexactly I don’t get why they can’t understand it. You not to win an actual competition against teams around the world. They just say our leagues the best so we’d probably win. It’s idiotic
8:15 as someone from Israel, maccabi ra'anana is a second division team, there are about 20 teams in Israel better than them. Also if you only consider NBA vs euroleague games, the euroleague teams have a 13-52 record, much better. And also the games are played with NBA rules which obviously helps NBA teams. Edit: I do not remember where i seen it, but when playing with fiba rules (which are far better rules) euroleague teams have a 9-16 record, not great but a bottom team in NBA. Also I know the NBA is far better, I'm just pointing some wrong stuff jxmy said
Also we are forgetting the biggest point, these pre season games are friendly games with nothing to loose and nothing to gain for teams seasons, it is a show for the crowd, good television, fantastic place for advertisements, BUT it is a friendly game and nobody takes these games seriously.
The MVP point also goes against you. If the last 5 best players were international, what you're saying is the US is just a vehicle that the best players are riding in. It's like inviting all the best players to my backyard, then arguing my house is the best place ever.
Good point! Also goes to show that there is a lot of talent internationally that americans love to underestimate (as they even do with now MVPs when they come to the league)
Yes, and they’re going there only for the money. I mean, I don’t care about the money, but if basketball was popular than football in Europe no one would care going to compete in the NBA. It’s that simple
In the same way in football, whoever wins the Champions League isn't the world champion. They're the champion of Europe. The Premier League or La Liga are 2 of the best leagues in the world. If you win one of them, you're not a world champion either. No idea why American sports have this distinction
literally the author of this video admits a US national team has lost multiple times. Like wtf??? That alone is proof you can't just assume the NBA champion would be world champion taht is not how sports work. Such a bizarre take
does not even make sense, for example the current NBA champions best player is Serbian...so will the Denver Nuggest beat the Serbian national team??? how can we find out? thats somespace jam fantasy basketball sh*t .....world championships are a competition between countries not clubs@@Nice-sm5hr
that's far from the dream team lmfao none of those players on that team are even a top 20-25 player. we literally have a JV team playing over there right now.
Hardly a dream team, but also respect to Lithuania and the rest of the world for stepping up the level of international play. Getting closer to the day when there might actually be a point to having an international world championship tournament
The cavaliers vs San Lorenzo is the same as Bayern Munich vs UANL and beating them. It doesn’t matter it still needs to be played out to be called world champs. The cavs aren’t taken out of the competition for sucking ass mid season are they? Even when they have no chance of winning any chip, they still play it.
@@LND209 explain? If it doesn’t make you a world champion then it makes you something even greater, because an nba chip is worth way more then an Olympic or fiba basketball trophy, to actual basketball players atleast, and probably value too
That's what you think, but a lot of people including me would 100% take their national team winning a FIBA tournament than their favorite NBA team winning a championship@@nozers
@migueldiamondunimportant you mean the event that happens for hundreds to thousands of years and once in 4 years the same one America plays seriously and wins 99% of the time 🗿🗿🤦♂️🤦♂️ the same one hundreds of countries compete and send thousands of people to ........ try telling athletes that it’s unimportant they will laugh on you’re face 😂😂
@migueldiamond you could say the same about fiba. none of the best players in the world care about it. Hell the best player in the world decided to drink beer and ride horses rather than take part in the "world championship" , cause everyone knows nba finals is whats matters and is the pinnacle of competitve basketball.
@migueldiamond The argument is that the Denver nuggets are the best team in the world, not that the USA is. Fact is, fiba is just a competition that has to break up the already established best team in the world in order to give lesser competition a chance. If you think Fiba decides whos the best then you must also think dennis schroder is the most valuable player in the world, when he's a meme and a bench player on a NBA championship level team.
"Does winning the NBA Finals truly make a team the World Champions... technically NO... by definition they are not World Champions, but I mean... c'mon." He's right. He's basically saying both sides are right to some extent.
Doesn't matter if there are more national players. It's about the teams. Look at the most prestigious trophy in club football. The UEFA Champions League is built up of 32 of Europe's best teams going at it every season. Teams from DIFFERENT COUNTRIES and, just like the NBA, DIFFERENT PLAYERS of those teams' nations play in them as well. For example, Messi (Argentina) playing with Barcelona (Spain). This is the hardest competition filled with elite clubs... AND STILL, they do not call themselves the WORLD CHAMPIONS. They say Champions of Europe! In a perfect world, basketball is like football. With perhaps a super league of teams around the world with different national players going at it. But the NBA is where the money is and we know they are the best. But they just shouldn't be calling themselves the world champions. It's ridiculous and sooo American.
Yh the champions league is great comparison, best teams, best players from all over the world yet the winners would never be called world champions despite the fact that City would probably smoke every team around the world
Yeah, obviously the NBA is much more of a monopoly in Basketball. But, it's like if the winner of the Prem was called the World Champion because it is the biggest league in the world and has international players.
@@tomfrench1397 It has nothing to do with that, if you followed the NBA more you would realise the worst NBA team can win against the best International team by a wide margin 10/10 games. I agree it shouldn't be called the world championship but stop acting like its not comparable.
No. The Olympics isn’t the NBA and the US team isn’t an NBA team. You can only be ‘champions’ of something by winning a competition that includes all of what you are claiming to be champions of. To be ‘European champions’ of football, for example, you have to win a European competition. To be world champion in the Marathon you have to win at the world championships. The NBA even has ‘national’ in its name. If you win it you can claim to be National champions only. Is it the most prestigious thing in basketball? Probably. It’s not a world championships though.
Very rarely does Jimmy disappoint. Unfortunately, this is one among them. The bias is very obvious and I love the fact that the viewers are calling him out for it. Reminds me of the time when he did his first GOAT tier ranking video and ended up giving Kobe a lot more points because he was 'just Kobe'. Jimmy kept deleting comments calling him out for a good few days. Take the L Jimmy, take the L.
Name one team outside of the NBA who could beat them. Name one. Nobody could, it's a huge waste of everybody's time. I'd bet my life savings on that fact.
@@mosstwig3591 still missing the point. Probably nobody could. But then again, no such competition happened yet. And in 75 years, it could've happened once or twice. Besides, make it a world competition and you'll see money being poured into other teams around the world. Then some of the better players in the NBA would also go there. If then NBA teams end up winning, they deserve the title. Until then? Nope.
There is nothing wrong with someone having a personal bias in a video. Its jxmy's channel, he can do whatever he wants with it. What baffles me the most, is how people are up in arms about it. Technically, the NBA is an international league. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure most of the best basketball players in the world are currently playing in the NBA. This becomes even more apparent with FIBA world championships, where the exact thing is shown on the court. The NBA players that are playing for their countries are usually the top players on the teams and teams that have more of them (like Canada, Australia and of course the US) tend to be a lot stronger because of it. So, outside of a few exceptions that are playing in strong european leagues, pretty much the best players in the world are in the NBA. In a way we can see it as a champion's league, where some of the strongest teams in the world are competing. It is technically a US company / organisation, but I see it as an international league nonetheless. In that way, you could argue it is the best teams in the world playing against each other, even though that term is technically incorrect. Frankly, I don't care what people call it. I am as much a fan of bashing 'murica' for its politics, it's financial systems, the way it behaves in the world, or any other valid reason. However, just as much as the average US citizen is not at fault for this, bashing one of the most interesting and exciting sports that is based there just isn't fair, or needed. Let's just appreciate the good things, regardless of the terminology.
Idk man. Best players in the world and it’s considered the most coveted trophy in the world. You gotta be the best basketball team to win it. Just cause it’s American teams doesn’t change the fact that jokic and giannis are the best players in the world.
@@eliyarrows2456 bro…how can they be considered world champions if they have can players who represent different countries play on the same teams? Just because it’s the best league in the world doesn’t automatically make the winners of it world champions. To be a world championship team, you need to beat out the world, not just your league.
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Wait, Trailblazers won against an Israeli team that no one in Europe even heard about? Maccabi Ra'anana is not Maccabi Tel Aviv. I like your videos, but this was a bad take 😬
You need therapy to think that having immigrants In a league makes it an international league
I’m a knicks fans I needed this 😔
Im so proud of Denver. Greatest country in the entire planet of America.
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lowkey facts tho, a bottom feeder play in or lottery nba team would 50 pierce the best euroleagues team
@@alliesstartedww1308 nah bro in the last 15 years nba teams vs euro league teams have a record of 20-8 and not a single one of those games was decided even close to 50pt gap
still nba champs are the best teams in the world just not by as much as some ppl think
@@alliesstartedww1308fuck no, Euroleague champions could defo beat the Hornets or some shit but it doen't change the fact NBA is the world's highest basketball competition without a question (even over FWC)
We just gonna ignore Aaron Gordon saying he’ll smoke Lyles in a 200m 😂
10/10 tweet by him
@@robertyousif9184bro would lose to an average high school track athlete 😂
I'd probably put up a good fight against AG
@@capski9321 no he wouldn't
@@ItzInvidious i like the confidence 😂
Never heard or seen Manchester City claim themselves as World Champions..
I'd say it's a moment for the rest of the world to enjoy a good round of America bashing. Here in the US, we aren't literally thinking of the world when we see sports titles bestowed with the words world champion, which we already know is not correct. It's just hyperbole that has stuck somehow.
Perfect argument. Players' reaction to a TRUE statement is completely ridiculous
They gotta wait for the 2025 Club World Cup for that title. I want to see a basketball equivalent to the Club World Cup, the best teams in the NBA, Euroleague, Australian NBL, Chinese CBA, Filipino PBA, etc. all face off to crown the true club basketball world champions. Yeah, it would probably be NBA teams winning it every time, but I’d watch it for the odd upset in the knockouts here or there.
Being the best team in the world means you are a world champion
The fact is that all the best players in the world are already playing in the NBA, so it's already a melting pot of the World's Best. So yes, the team that wins the NBA Championship, is the best team in the World. The Premier League comparison is bad because their are clear examples from the fact that the Ballon D'or is always won outside of the Premier League going to show that there are superior talent playing outside of that league, guys like Mbappe, Messi, CR7, Neymar, Neuer, Lewandowski etc. This has never been the case outside of the NBA, the top talent ALL AROUND THE WORLD has always resided already inside the league.
Now he is Olympic champion, the REAL world champion
Facts mans backing it up 😤
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Olympic Champion is above World Champion.
And then, he is not (in the 200)😂😂😂
"Being the best in world doesn't simply makes you the world champion."
That's exactly the point.
Yeah but if the best in the world is playing in the same league and you win, you are a world champion
@@nozers The best team in the world right now is the Spanish National Team. You have to beat them to get the title...Also. NBA rules are very different to world cup rules...you can't travel every possessio xD
@@Freesion an nba team faces wayyyyyy harder competition then any other country team, beating the best in the WORLD, means you are a world champion, like it or not. Also did you even watch the video, America solos any other country in basketball
@@nozers no it does not work that way. They have to actually win a world championship to be World champions. Thats the whole purpose of a world championship.
@@nozers“Being the best in the world doesn’t simply makes you the world Champion“
IMO this is clearly is a US thing. For instance, the winner of the soccer Champions League (a tournament for the winners of each EU country league) doesn’t even dare to call themselves World Champions. And it would be absurd for them to do so.
Why would it be absurd? They should call themselves world champions, like you didn’t even give a reason. All you said was “winners of champions league don’t do it so no one should do it 🤓”
@nemooss3181 champions league winners are widely regarded as the best club team in the world despite not putting it on merch or medals. Still not a single player would say they are world champs unless they win the world cup. To do so would just come across as arrogance.
@@grahambreach662 you are not giving me an argument all you are saying is that “champion league winners don’t do it so nobody should do it🤓” what a dumbass statement. They should call themselves world champions because they beat the best in the world
@@nozers the UCL is where the arugment that they''re not the world champs is true because other European teams can beat Man City, no non US team is beating the finals champs
@@the935dudew3 my bad i thought all the best teams play in the ucl
Its crazy that the one time the entire NBA agrees on something, that something is factually wrong
They only come out agreeing on stuff when they all got the same damn USA ego
Murica *sips coffee and laughs*
It’s right if you consider the best players in the world make it to the nba, in a decade the nba will only have 50% Americans or less, the best individual talents from ALL OVER THE WORLD go to the nba it makes sense you are just stuck on thinking about the World Cup but they are diff events
They are Americans... Second most NBA players growing up didn't really focus on education and gaining wisdom they primarily focused on basketball so outside of basketball most of them aren't really the sharpest tool in the shed.
@killermarfidyoh138
Well said
Absolutely no one is debating if the NBA isn't the best in the world-it clearly is. This still doesn't make them "world champions" in a traditional understanding of the term.
Hey now, Canada has a team 🤣
NBA IS an association of national city teams with foreigners inside. It's not team USA which IS matched by serbian or french team... Usa 341 millions people, France 70 & serbia 7...
@@TheMarkSasuke64 Why not? Doesn't get more world stage than the Olympics! Man, y'all just a buncha haters, foh!! 😅
@@derkapitan249 I do!!!
@TheMarkSasuke64 its even crazier hearing your admission that nba is best in world, then make the argument that league Champs aren't the same. No one curr 'bout this but hating ass haters, here and abroad.
As a European, I feel like it's ridiculous that I even have to say this. Nobody argues that the NBA is the best basketball league in the world by far and therefore the NBA champion is probably the best basketball team in the world. However, this doesn't change the fact that it is arrogant for NBA champions to call themselves world champions. The one and only reason for that is that they didn't win against teams from the whole world but instead only against NBA teams. Yes, they would probably beat every single other team but the point is that they didn't even compete against them so they do not have the right to call themselves world champions. To make it clear, let's just use football, the most popular sport in the world, as a comparison. In Football, the best league is the Premier League, not by a margin as big as the NBA in basketball but it's growing every year. You said that the NBA is a very international league, but it is nothing against the Premier League where 66% of players are foreign compared to the NBA's 21%. So do the Premier League champions call themselves world champions? No. To be fair, there is still one competition which is considered better even though it is not a league: The UEFA Champions League, which is an international European Football Cup. So the Champions League winners call themselves world champions, right? No. The winners of the Champions League compete against the winners of the other continental cups in the Club World Cup and the winner is called the world champion. In 9/10 times, the Champions League winner wins the Club World Cup as well but the point is that they competed against the best of the rest of the world so they can rightfully call themselves world champions. If NBA champions had the desire to call themselves world champions, they could easily go to the FIBA and ask for them to create a basketball world cup. But they have no right to do something like that after winning the NBA. The same goes for the NFL and of course the MLB. I find it really hard to believe that so many American NBA players made fun of Noah after his interview because the things he said were absolutely right. It's not that difficult to understand, you can call yourself a world champion if you beat the best teams all over the world, what is there to argue about that? It is not a coincidence that no foreign NBA player commented on this. It's nothing more than common sense to understand that Noah's statement is absolutely true. This wouldn't have even been a debate in Europe. Americans often don't seem to understand that there is more in the world than the US and they are not the center of the world...
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I hope people take the time to read this because you are 100% correct and you really took the time to explain it in a way even a 5 year old would understand.
fax. being the best team in the world doesn't make you world champions. What makes a team world champs is winning a competition including the world.
W take
Who cares if your arrogant when in reality you truly are better then everyone else. If the Denver Nuggets were to play the best teams of every country they would win every single one, because the NBA is the pinecal of basketball. Is Noah Lyles arrogant because he's saying he's the fastest man alive even though he hasn't raced every single person in the world? No, he's not arrogant in saying that and he doesn't have to race every single person in the world to prove he's the best in the world. It's the same for the NBA champions, there's no way any other team beat's the Denver Nugget's, and if American NBA player's truly cared about the olympics as much as they did about the NBA championship, they would never lose a gold medal either because even though the best player in the leauge right now is European, there is a larger amount of American Basketball players that are better then the world. So I really don't give a shit if other countries are pressed about it and I don't think it's arrogant of NBA teams to name themselves the best when it's a clear fact that they are, just as Noah Lyles is clearly the fastest man alive.
In soccer they don't just have a World Cup but they also have a Club World Cup where the best teams of every continent plays a small tournament to prove who is the best in the world . The European team is always the favorite team because they are the best but that doesn't mean they can just ignore inferior competition from other continents and even prior to that they have to win against other countries in Europe to see whos best in that continent. The NBA are already trying to appeal to soccer fans with their new in season tournament format. I would rather see that against international teams but skipped to the elimination round
And the European club doesn't even always win it.
I think it'd be fun to actually held a club world cup for basketball and see which team will be crowned as the world champ lol
@@JorgenKremeryeah, just like 10 times inna row currently
@@blondasak4696dis they always win it ?
@@laskurtanceixixii do NBA? Oh they don't play so we don't know. They are 15-4, and early 2000s where a time when Europe was not so dominant. If you exclude this, then yourope is 15-1
The Champion's League in Football is the equivalent of the NBA: the best teams in Europe are playing, and the winner is arguably the best team in the world because no other team in the world would be able to beat them. Yet, they would never call themselves the "World Champions". This is such an American ego thing to do, really.
since 2007 only once the CL winner lost in the Club Worldcup against a Brazilian team. But yes you have to play that kind of tournament to earn that title and not just assume it.
Imagine the Manchester City saying yes that moment when we beat Inter Milan in 2023 at the champions league was when we knew we were “World Champions”.
Thats not at all what its like, are 90% of the best players in that league? If u want to actually make a name for yourself and money its obvious. If u wanna call urself a world champ then beat our Olympic team which is made of role players. Oh wait u cant
@@zackeryblackmer8491 yes, the best players in the world are consistently in the uefa champions league. and those who are not are the ones who couldn't even qualify to the CL. also, lithuania just smoked the usa team
many words without knowledge, the best players are playing in europe in terms of football, the Club WC is normally won by the CL Winner
, since 2007 one brazilian team has won it. In Sports you dont just assume titles, you have to earn them. But its nothing new that americans think they are the entire world.@@zackeryblackmer8491
Update that man won GOLD in the Olympics against Jamaica in front of the NBA players 🥶
And do you think that track athletes do not attend NBA games?
@@fracturedsolace145nothing more annoying when someone doesn’t get the point.
@@PercAngle3 yeah because he's American.
@@thejohnson2328 lmfao
Again champions of what?!
I think we can all agree now that NBA Champions is more accurate.
💯If they calling they self WORLD champion, why name the league NATIONAL-BA anyway.
@@Okok30308what just happened at fiba buddy
@@Okok30308 if you go by that logic then the next NBA champion should not be called world champs coz they lost to Lithuania, Germany and Canada. OR you can just call the winner of the olympics the World Champions, instead of giving it to the winner of the US NATIONAL Basketball Assoc.
@@Okok30308 and basketball is a team game. So having all the best players on the same team can’t always guarantee a win. Factors such as chemistry, system and compatibility are in play.
It isn't called the IBA for a reason. They can't.
It's really crazy how so much people can't see a difference between being best team in the world and being word champions.
We don’t have a club basketball tournament world wide because nba teams would win every time. Since that doesn’t exist, you can call the winners world champs because they’re the best team in the world and they won the most coveted basketball trophy.
@@eliyarrows2456 04’ Olympics Melo, Lechoke, Iverson, Duncan, Wade…winner Argentina. You still need to win a world championship to be called world champion.
@@eliyarrows2456just by default? That’s just ignorant and not how it would play out 100% of the time. Are NBA teams gonna win a theoretical worldwide tournament most of the time? Yes absolutely.
But calling yourself world champions “because the best players in the world play in the NBA” and therefore they must always win is just a really stupid statement. It’s just plain ignorant
@@eliyarrows2456 arabs buy you best players and destroy USA teams.
@@jakob9614 exactly, what chance did the Pistons have over the Lakers or Mavs over the Heatles? Upsets happen and BS hypothetical wins should never be granted in any sport, to be a champion you have to prove it.
Lyles is right! Also, as a personal rule, if Perkins says something is wrong (or right) 99.9% of the time, the opposite is the correct answer. So, Lyles is definitely right!
Did you even watch the video
@@Jajsnsjsn22/23 Man city is litteraly the third best team of the century right after Barcelona 2009/Madrid 2017, Man city won everything last season and are not considered world champs, simple as that
It’d be pointless for the nba to engage in even an exhibition (at the least) with overseas teams. No overseas team is beating the nuggets. It would just be the nba spending millions in promo for overseas players.
Outside of all star weekend
@@jerseydevil1We all know NBA champs are the best team in the world, but they are champions of the US, as in football whoever wins Champions League is proclamed Champion of Europe even if everyone knows they would clap overseas team's ass
He backed up his words. Massive props to Lyles. Glad he brought home gold.
He lost in his own race
@@bigd8919he had covid
@@bigd8919definitely disappointing he couldn’t win the double, but winning the 100 is still an amazing accomplishment.
First time I gotta disagree with you my boy… Lyles dead correct.
I can't believe it's even a discussion lol
I can’t believe we’ve come so far that what the NBA Champs calls themselves is “the thing that bothers this dude the most”. What a time to be alive!!!
Wikipedia’s definition of “world champions” literally states the obvious. Can’t believe my guy try to justify with all this extra rubbish in this video.
@@JWPshenigansits a political statement about how the US as a society perceives themselves globally. The point clearly flyin skyhigh bove yall heads
@@grezende4056 no. We are fully aware of who our president is and everything that comes with it. Our county is pathetic and too concerned with fantasy genders and sad leaders. Unfortunately, we have to hit rock bottom before we acknowledge the situation we’ve created for ourselves so we can begin to grow and become the nation our ancestors envisioned.
This is not just a matter of technicalities and semantics, this is also a matter of humbleness and respect, something that many people in the USA lack.
Exactly!! Like this video, the guy KNOWS that BY DEFINITION they are not world champions, but he came with 10 minutes of excuses to why they still should have the title. It's just lame.
Egoistic America as usual.
Actually its Pure semantics. Somehow Americans aren't being humble or respectful by crowning a Serbian, Slovenian, and Canadian as world champs?
A country full of egomaniacs.
@@davidrafferty2491 It doesn't matter what countries the players are from. it matters who is able to compete in the competition, and in NBA that's solely teams that are based in North America, excluding any team from anywhere else. You wouldn't see the premier league champions in football boasting that they are world champions eventhough that's arguably the best football(soccer) league in the world. You wouldn't even see the Uefa Champions League winners say that even though it is a fact that all of the best teams in foorball are European since it's only a competition that European teams can enter. The only time you will see a football team claming world championship status is after the World Cup for clubs. Which is between the winners of Champions leagues from all over the world.
Being the best team in the world and being world champions are two entirely different things
Same as being the best team in the NBA and being NBA champions. People talk about the 72-9 Warriors being arguably the best team in NBA history but they weren't NBA champions though 😂😂😂. Why? Because you still have to go out and win titles.
@@siyabongakunene5052 I thought most people said that when that team added kd the next year they became the best team in NBA history
Hasn’t the U.S won the last four Olympic golds for basketball? Doesn’t that make the U.S world champions?
@@Okok30308But how does that make the team that wins the NBA Finals “world champions”? You’re conflating the two.
No one on the soccer side would call Manchester United World champs if they win the premier league. Even if England, the international team is very successful.
There are no flags in the NBA Finals.
@@Okok30308 actually it’s stated pretty clearly by the federations that run sports that have the Olympics and the world championships that when you win in the Olympics, you earn the title of “Olympic champion,” and when you win a world championship, you earn the title of “world champion.” For example, a sprinter or swimmer can win a world championship and not participate in the Olympics, in which case he would be called a “world champion” but not an “Olympic champion.” Vice versa, if you win in the Olympics but don’t even participate in the world championship, you can be called an “Olympic champion” but not a “World champion.” To earn a title to your name, you need to partipate in and win the tournament that gives you that title.
6:48 This is the dumbest argument ever. The champion of the premier league isn't world champion only because the premier league has many foreign players from all around the world. Thats the reason why usually those foreign player play for their home country in the world cup and only when england wins this particular world cup they can call themselves world champion.
I tried to explain this (calmly) to an American, I felt like I was talking to a child who was banging his head against the wall and shouting: I am the world champion blah blah blah!! I don't want to understand your basic logic... Amazing, I wonder what they put in the water there^^
My Hometown won the national cup in Football (soccer for the american). Since every team have at least 30% of inport players, I suppose it means that Bern is the world champion. Thanks!
Watching this as a Non-American after seeing USA lose to Lithuania is toooo funny
Same 😂
The USA D or E team. Our B team wins easy.
Was that the Denver nuggets playing another pro team??😂
Lil bro you forgot team USA won 10/15 tournaments they showed up to and medaled in 13. Team USA this year quite literally doesn’t have a single player above top 25 arguably top 30. Nearly 10% of the league is better. You’re wrong about the nba not having the best teams
@@trashygamer7014 The argument isn't that they don't have the best teams in the world, it's that you can't crown yourself the world champion while playing in a domestic league
The funniest part about all this? He’s literally correct and there’s no debate 😂💀
People getting offended over a literal FACT.
Exactly, in football, whoever wins the champions league aren't "World Champions", even though there would be no team from any other continent that could beat that team. It's just weird
It’s a technicality, but reality is, when you’re the best team in the world, winning in the best league of the world, you have the crown. No need to have to play against lower competition to prove that
You didn't watch the video all the way through lmao.
Wait until this guy actually watches the video he commented on😂
The fact that so many players felt the need to criticize him kind of proved his point. Plus, there isn't any other country or sport that does this. The champions league winners don't call themselves world champions, they have to actually play the other continents.
Did you watch the video?
I don't get that logic? "A person faced criticism from a group for statements he made regarding said group. This is proof that the criticisms are correct" Wut....
Facts, I mean there is no doubt at all that the NBA champions are the best in the world, but to actually call your self a world champion you need to play against teams all over the world. Winning the NBA just makes you the NBA champion no matter how much better the leagues is than others across the world
u right also being the best in the world means beating other nations not picking up evry superstar the other nations have add them to your roster and now saying lets fight.
cuz if that's the case the saudi football league champions shoul call themselves world champions cuz all the best players are in there
that's bullsh*t jimmy and you know it
@@Ultra_64the video lacks proof of the NBA champion being the World Champion. That's all.
This guy brought statistics to a semantics discussion. It's like brings a knife to a gunfight
This argument can be solved pretty easily by looking at the definition of 'world champions'. A world champion is someone or a team that has won a international competition that is open to the whole world. So the nba champions are not world champions because nba teams dont compete with teams outside of NA. Nobody is arguing that the nba champion is the best team in the world but they are by definition not allowed to call themselfs world champions.
Not just about competing globally but representing your nation! As the nba is a mix of many international players how can they be the best nation if they are from different countries, you cannot compare a club team with a national team, clubs are businesses that invest millions in order to win trophies, national teams is just about the raw talent that comes from within the country. So when people try to compare clubs with national teams are just wrong
Not allowed, ok mother
@nikos208 in football there is a club world cup, that club can call themselves world champions if they with the club world cup
"international competition that is open to the whole world."...yet No Jokic, Wembanyama, Giannis, Porzingis, KD or LeBron participating. I could host a basketball tournament tomorrow, and say everyone's invited, and then win it...am i world champion?
@@davidrafferty2491 No, you cant, cause there are actually associations for each sport which handle these kind of things
and govern the sport. anywhere else in the world and in every other sport (except for american football and ice hockey), top athletes are actually honored to represent their country, even if its a lower quality competition or game. And just like in basketball athletes could also refuse to represent, for various reasons, but this rarely happens (mostly when you get too old), but the reason most of these star players dot represent, is because these three (club based) sports leagues implemented a culture of denying/refusing/trying to keep them off the national teams because not caring about anybody else but themselves. World Champions, the Denver Nuggets? No, Germany!
Man city don't call themselves world champions after winning the champions league, they are the champions of Europe.....so. noah is right
or even worse, after winning the Premier League title 🤦♂
bro.
The gap between the NBA and other basketball leagues are WAYYYYYYYYYYYY Bigger than the gap between football leagues around the world
No it’s not . Man city the winner of the Champions league are even further apart from any winners of Saudi or South America equivalent
@@MIZZY5174The gap between the Champion's League winner and teams from other continents is HUGE. I don't know if bigger than that between the NBA champions and the Euroleague champions, but it's not that far off.
He ain’t wrong. It’s like being crowned Mr Universe. What other planet is competing?
my twins were born today
They both came out as trans
That’s a really good point
The NBA isn't just Americans. Like 23 percent of the league isn't American last 3 MVPs weren't even Americans
Fr. This is like that moment when you're arguing with the class and you know you're right, but the whole class disagrees including the teacher, so you might as well be wrong.
I know what you mean but what about Miss Universe?
I'm here after he won the 100m gold medal in the olympics
& so did team USA in basketball. nobody can name a better league in the world at basketball than the NBA😂😂 these comments are so stupid
@@lookinthemirror007 When did the US beat Germany at basketball? When that happens you can call yourself world champions.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 the stupidity of non americans is astounding. the us couldn't beat the germans because the germans aren't good enough buddy. the germans actually have to win in the elimination games to play the americans. and dont act like in a bo7 series the US are not winning in 4-6 games. the delusion you have is actually mindblowing. everyone knows the NBA is the best league in the world, and that the US national team is the best team in the world, the point is that they aren't world champions if they are only playing american teams. but everyone still knows they are the best, your comment just sums up every brainless instagram hater who can't stop hating on the US, yet its the most immigrated country by far. people hate so much yet they can't stop coming
How you just talked for 12 mins admitting he's right, then arguing he's wrong, was really entertaining because of the ridiculousness. Thank you for that.
He didn't do that at all. It's called the "National" Basketball Association because it was originally founded as an American league. But 1/4 of the league is international, and it's hands down the best league in the world, and it's not even close.
The argument that they aren't technically world champions because they never played the games is preposterous. Let me demonstrate: would the Denver Nuggets also need to beat every grade school team in the world to prove they are "world champs"?
@@jasjfl How can you be champion if you didn't play the games? There's a difference between being "the best team in the world", which the NBA champions are, and being "world champions". Team USA are world champions, not Denver. You don't need to beat every team in the world, but you need to win a tournament or competition where the best teams from everywhere in the world had an opportunity to participate. For example, soccer has the club world cup where the winners of the continental competitions face off. Every team in the world in the highest division can theoretically qualify for that tournament, so the winner is the world champion.
@@jasjfl Why are you overcomplicating this. The NBA is an American League. Just like there's a Spanish league and a Greek league. The champions from those other leagues do not call themselves world champions, instead they are Spanish and Greek champs. Yes, the best players come to the American league, but that still does not mean they are WORLD champions. Create a club world cup where each champion from different continents compete each other and then you can call yourselves the World Champions.
@@boki9790 why are you being obtuse on purpose? Denver would annihilate the league champion from any other country in a best of 7 series. A team MIGHT be able to win one game. But a series, never. If Denver (in a hypothetical world club tournament) and team USA both won championships in the same year then who is world champion? If Denver played a team with all the rest of the best players in the world they would surely lose. This is all semantics. Everyone knows Denver is the best club team in the world easily. This whole thing is contrived to be some stupid thing about Americans being obnoxious. I’m no nationalist, I don’t even like America all that much. This whole point about them needing to beat vastly inferior teams is just stupid as fuck.
@@chrisbaker7760💯💯👌🏾
Funny how triggered NBA Stars call him dumb but doesn't prove why Noah is wrong
Right? Just throwing insults and saying stuff like, "Someone help this brother." Doesn't help or makes a good counterargument
@@sambeezy007 exactly, like how about you go help him and prove your point lol they just throwing stuffs at him
Noah gonna be needing all that speed he has....
Just a response because their ego got hurted
Might be because America wins Gold in the Olympics and that’s foolish to think America doesn’t have the best basketball league or players in the world
I agree that the team that wins the NBA finals is easily worthy of being called the best team in the world, but if they aren't the world champion by definition then Noah has a valid point.
But why would he even mention like he a hater or sumn
@@doughvinci Because at the moment Germany is the current world champion in basketball, so NBA calling themselves world champion is simply false.
@@DoctorBeeesnaw not false at all Reigning Gold medal winner in the Olympics if Germany is so great they should beat America in Paris but hey people still won’t call America the best because they like to ignore it and lie about NBA not being the best league in the world
Americans mix up the titles of „best team“ with „world champs“. This is two different teams. The letter requires you to win a tournament that offers the world championship as the price.
Btw: arguing US is world champs because they beat the latest olympics is the dumbest thing I heard in a while (see comments to your post)
Think it’s more foolish to act as if the Olympics aren’t where you go to prove you are the best in the world aka world champions America is playing the game and now people are scared or what gonna say they aren’t the best or earned the Gold 😂 or the fact is if Germany is the best they should win gold ...right .......🗿 in Paris vs USA playing serious lastly be it reigning Gold medalist or the day they win it stays the same as usual (dumbest shit I heard latest Gold winner isn’t the best after proving it 😅)
Who is here after the 100m final thinking 'Wait, I know this guy from somewhere?'
This aged so beautifully now that USA and Canada got knocked out of the WORLD CUP, therefore not being WORLD CHAMPIONS
Recency Bias is a disease get well soon
Recency bias? The last time the US won the World Cup was almost 10!!!!! Years ago…. you’re such a clown
@@shadowyogi3921ignorance also stop thinking that the U.S. is the whole world
@@amevirgule tell me my entire point went over your head without telling me my entire point went over your head… typical non Americans getting angry that the United States hosts the best basketball league in the world that dwarfs every other one
@@shadowyogi3921I think almost everyone loves NBA, hates ignorant Americans that call their National champions “World Champions” and recency applies for future predictions so you meant Americans are sick for calling themselves World Champions by default?
I didn't see an international player react like they did. That should tell you everything.
Damn straight 😂
You are never going to hear Jovic or Giannis call themselves WC because of the NBA titles
That's because only americans thinks that NBA champs are world champs, it's a non-debate everywhere else
Evan Fournier said he agrees with Lyles
American moment to be honest
As a fan of Noah Lyles I'm just glad he's getting more well known because of this.
Ong😂😂
This is exactly why he said it so he gets recognized
I’m sure Homenetmen Beirut would agree with Noah too. 😂
@@Eliht01 yeah he knew exactly what he was doing
Dude knew what he was doing lmao. He still wrong though
Imagine how the NBA feels right now after Lyles won the gold medal in the 100 m at the olympics
They probably in a good mood since the usa basketball team just won Gold lol
@@jhunruelcorojeldo3265 True
And after losing the 200mm because of “covid”. Nice try.
Great, because the US men's team also won gold. Catch up
Noah Lyles is that guy. Dude has done more for American sports than almost any active nba player. Most NBA players don’t even wanna play for team USA.
So Cp3, LBJ, KD, Love, Iggy, Westbrook and Davis didnt shit on every team for a decade w/ Kobe back then?
@@frigid3810 Idk where you got that impression. It seems like you wanna argue about something i’m not talking about. I was referring to the younger guys that don’t take Team USA serious like Kobe and those other guys did. Needless to say when KD tries to clown Lyles he’s clowning himself since an NBA title isn’t a world title. Simple as that
And that's the whole point.
@@frostedhams younger guys rn dont want to play cuz their organization dont want to also. I mean organization pay their players to play in the nba not for world cup. And I mean if i own an organization and im paying a dude 200 mil in 4 years i wouldnt risk injuries 🤷♂️
“Dude has done More for American Sports”
Anyone willing to make such hyperbolic, unquantifiable, wild statements has no idea wtf they’re talking about.
You’re ignorant to the point of pity.
This video actually just proved why the NBA Champs shouldn't call themselves World Champions.
Best basketball team in the world though
@@xavierb9061 yes they probably are but it's not been proven. Even if the chance of them winning is 99.9% there is still a slight chance they could loose. And there is really no need to call yourself world champion anyway. Just do it like they do in football/soccer. Also the point about the league having more and more non-American players and that they make up a lot of the best players in the league including the last five mvp winners doesn't really help the argument because it just shows that the talent outside of America is steadily growing and I would say catching up as well. And yes most of the best non-Americans go to play in the NBA but that doesn't mean that the others are bad or aren't growing because the way it's going there might come a time very very long from now when the NBA isn't the be all and end all of basketball.
@@nba2kswiss770 its best basketball team in world...by so much not even serious debate...name one team that can compete with nuggets outside usa.
@@xavierb9061the point flew over your head. you can’t just assume a world championship, you have to actually beat teams around the world to be crowned world champions. sure, the nuggets are probably the best team in the world right now, but there’s still a slight chance they’d lose a game
@@mysterybutler9146 theres no point..name a team worthy of consideration...dont give explanation
Name 1 team outside nba that can compete with nuggets
Does not matter how many international players might be in a league. Does not matter how many international friendlies you played and won either. The title of a world championship defines literally how many international championship games you played and if you came on the top or not. The only place to claim that title is either in the World Cup or the Olympics.
You’re just proving his point about it being an argument based in semantics rather than reality.
@@notechb0ss2.05yeah, it is a semantic point, but semantic doesn't mean irrelevant.
@@notechb0ss2.05 Yeah, the whole fucking argument is strictly technical, semantics. Who is 'technically' right is just straight up right in this case, and for this "argument" it'd be Noah Lyles.
@@YourFavouriteDraugr All you're doing is saying "This is the debate method I agree with so I'm right" lol. No one cares bud move on.
@@notechb0ss2.05 meh upset happens, like Club World Cup in football, Europe federation is similar to NBA compares to the rest of the world, the best players in the Americas , Africa, Asia all play in Europe. Europe still lost the Club World Cup 4 times out of 20.
NBA “stars” got triggered because this champ spitted some raw truth in their face lmao
You could say that the NBA is the best league in the world talent wise, but until you beat other countries in a tournament with your "National team" (not an NBA team) then you cannot be called "World" champions. That is actually pretty straight forward to grasp and so Lyles was 100% correct. Germany, for example can call themselves world champions for the next 4 years till the next FIBA world cup
Or… if we had a championship (not an exhibition game) of every country/continent team… then we could argue about it!
The NBA champions would destroy any other league team in the world so yes, they are world champions.
@@FAITHandLOGIC
Using players from other countries. How hard is it to grasp?
@technewseveryweek8332 Correct. The Denver Nuggets are world champions. What part of that is too hard for your small mind to comprehend? They are the best basketball club in the world.
american moment right here
in 2010 the Lakers lost to Barcelona after winning the Championship and in 2014 the Spurs lost to Alba Berlin, after beating the Miami Heat, so does this make these two European teams world champions??.No, and nor does winning the NBA finals does.
this point alone can end a discussion
whats worse in jimmys take is that he took games NBA teams had with ALL overseas teams , even 2-3-4 division teams.
He did not look to compare the stats against Euroleague teams alone in world rules (fiba).
A euro team wouldn’t survive an nba season.
@@Btn1136 LMAO
@@Btn1136an NBA team couldn't score without fouling in FIBA
He said what every non-American sports fan has been saying for decades. It's crazy that champs of all the major American sports leagues call themselves "World Champions".
that’s the ‘Murica ego in a nutshell, you’ll notice not even the winner of the Champions League, the most prestigious club tournament in football worldwide, is called “world champion”, they’re the european champions, because it’s a European tournament, the only tournament that can grant you the “world champion” title as a club is the FIFA clubs’ World Cup, where the winners of each major competitions face each other.
If the NBA wants to give their teams a chance to call themselves world champions, they should work with other major international leagues to form a sort of club world cup. Now that would be interesting, international basketball has grown massively to the point where the majority of the top 10 best players in the NBA are foreigners.
*“WE ARE THE WORLD”*
Nobody is stopping y'all from doing it either. Crown the winner of Champions League "world champions". You know who won't care? Americans
@@LuisCastillo-rt5nk Don't get mad because the leagues outside Murica is weak.
@@unc54There is a world cup every 4 years and that gives us the World Champion! The same thing goes for any team sport played in Europe...e.g. Basketball.
He won at a WORLD stage, end of discussion. Lol
The NBA might as well be considered a world stage since all of the best players and all of the best teams in the world all just happen to be in the NBA. The only "issue" is that all of the competitions just so happen to be in USA borders
@@ogTryhard21that’s not how it works 🤦♂️
@@ogTryhard21in order to become world champion the competition must have countries as teams. Like in the fifa WORLD cup, where for example it's England vs Spain, not Barcelona vs liverpool.
But so did team usa basketball lol
how? he did not win 200 so how is he the best in the world?
I can hear Steven adams just saying “he’s not wrong mate” 😂
He is wrong though. Nobody is touching the US in basketball.
@@Wasteland88 Who is the current basketball world champion? Who won the last world cup? Hint: It's not the US ;-)
@@jerrymiemarcuslmao tell me with a straight face that if the 15 players in the NBA took the Olympics/FIBA serious and played they wouldn’t win every time
@@jerrymiemarcus We're not talking about soccer fool. We're talking about basketball. By the way what country wins the Olympic gold medal every four years for mens basketball?😂
@@markuskidd546"played serious..." Man you Americans are delusional
The thing that most people don't get is that winning a world cup makes you (and by proxy, your country) the world champ, winning the nba finals means nothing, it just means you won the top league with the top talent, it would be like saying that if a team wins the Premier League or the Champions League they are world champs because they won the biggest league in the world, it makes no sense. Noah is right.
ty, sometimes I don't understand this US arrogancy
But thats it… premier and champions.. 2 leagues that are almost comparable and almost alike.. theres no other league almost close to being comparable/competitive enough like the NBA. I mean the Euro League but cmon the NBA literally sends washed players there and their best players come here
@@denism.2590Fr these basketball bums want that title so bad like no bro it don’t work that way get off ya high horse
There is no other basketball league comparable to the nba I’m starting to think u football fans are slow in the head it’s not a proper comparison between the sports
I don’t understand how you guys keep trying to complicate this topic. It makes absolutely 0 sense for the nba champions to play another league. They will destroy them by 200 it’s a waste of time nobody wants to watch that. The best competition is already in the nba not anywhere else in the world.
When you mentioned the thunder absolutely destroying the Adelaide 36ers, you forgot to mention that the same 36ers team also beat the Phoenix Suns by double digits a few days prior
Because d book played 22 min since it’s pre season. You have to use context. The suns are not playing to win they playing to warm up for the nba season🤦♂️
@travisealy3512 Same can be said about the other team
@travisealy3512 the thunder didn't play all of their best players either, and the suns were overall a better team than the thunder
@travisealy3512 also the 36ers placed SEVENTH out of 10 teams in the NBL the season after that game, meaning they were one of the worse teams
@@VeNom321GD idk about the other team so I just assumed they played they best and the only reason why I say that is because most of them are playing to get a nba contract sometimes. But you could be right
Lyles just won 100m gold at the Paris 2024 Olympics
A true world champion
The us just proved they are him
So is the NBA comprised USA Team, they just won Gold lol
I am not saying Jimmy is wrong, but immediately after he posted this the US team (All NBA players) lost to Lithuania (1 NBA player) and the Canadian team (10 NBA players) lost to Brazil ( 0 NBA players ).
They aren't the NBA best players dude. These are supporting players playing America's games. If America sent a team of the best players they have it would just be another World Championship sweep. Either way though, the Denver Nuggets are world champs cause they would sweep the world, it doesn't matter if they aren't a country team. Don't actually delude yourself into thinking NBA champs would lose to any country team.
@@icyyy_sg3682Props to Servia for having the best player in the world, beating Americans and non-Americans in the National Basketball Association “World” Championship of United States aka “The World”.
Canada had a whopping 1 top 15 nba player. The rest can barely crack top 75. Team USA was missing Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Stephen Curry, a possible Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Jayson Tatum, Devin Booker, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Buckets, Ja Morant, etc. not only this but he said NBA, the best current NBA players include multiple international players. No offense but your point is retarded.
US team (All bench NBA players)
@@icyyy_sg3682I let you know 😊😊 kobe lakers champs in 2010 lost to Barcelona European champs who were a super team back then 😊😊 are you so sure about what you say 😊😊 that barcelona team could face anybody 😊😊
Jimmy got it right by pointing out that all basketball players worldwide want to play in the NBA, but it's the same in football: everyone wants to play for a top-tier European football team. At the same time, it's the definition of being a world champion, that you won it with YOUR country and not with a team, that all players across the planet are playing in.... truly a problem of the classic American mindset
then why is messi in America ronaldo in saudi and neymar in saudi LMAOOOO that’s like lebron jordan and curry playing in china i get your argument though
@@s.s9221in Messi case he's won all the important title in Europe and for the international team. He could have kept going since he had offers to other European teams. Ronaldo just got pushed out in the end and Neymar just wants that Saudi money
Also football gets past the argument of clubs wanting to be called world champs with the fifa club world cup.
This is not correct. That is what the World Cup and Olympics are for. You can still have a Club World Championship where players don’t play for their country. This is not an American mindset seeing how soccer does this exact same thing WORLDWIDE.
did you not watch the video……..
As Noah Lyles says: "World Champions of WHAT???" Germany schooled everyone
Germany didn’t school any of our best players
Schooled of what?
@@team3gaming749 Nah but our decent players aren't enough anymore. And most superstars won't play. Only high level rookies. So what's gonna change?
@@jordannietosComoon bro,the US doesn't need the superstars to win the world championship?Let's be realistic,even with a C team the US would win the world championship with ease.European national teams are much better now and have very good individual players,but comoon bro....Like one basketball expert from Serbia said;This was the last chance for one European team to win the world championship,the US will not make the same mistake again.
@@dragicadjuric3635that’s some cope right here. Buddy you lost and honestly you were horrible
"When a country's national team beats another country's national team, it is called a world champion, brother."
Its funny how no international players in the nba are targeting Noah Lyles for his comments😂
noticed that in the comments that were being brought up, its only americans getting butthurt 🤣
🤣 exactly
@@jamesfletcher1493no Americans are butthurt lmao actually there's a lot of Americans that actually agree with lyles statement so please stop riding our meat
@@YeYe-ni7qy “technically not wrong” AKA “he’s right but I just don’t want to admit it or acknowledge it” LMAO
Americans didn’t played Europeans for almost 8 years, just australian and israelis teams, and uses this as argument like: “see, I beat this Israeli team with a 30+ points difference, we’re the best in the world”
Dallas Mavericks lost to Real Madrid, and teams like Pacers or Grizzlies would lost 9 outta 10 to teams like Fenerbaçhe or Barcelona
They’re so brainwashed that it’s hard to believe
Being the Best and being the Champion is a different thing
Exactly. They shouldn't be called world champions. "Best team in the world" sure.
@@m1lkbagsfeels like the same thing to me
@@m1lkbagsyeah exactly we aren’t debating they are the best, but saying the US wins the world tournaments so nba is world champion or because the teams are the best they’re world champs? Like nah you have to win an international comp or win w a national team
@@m1lkbagsthats the exact same thing
A champion is the one that is best at a certain thing, especially sports. 🤣🤣🤣
you forgot to mention that only US NBA players had problem with what noah said.
Fr
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It just they can't accept the fact
American ignorance
@@N17-o2r I tried to explain this (calmly) to an American, I felt like I was talking to a child who was banging his head against the wall and shouting: I am the world champion blah blah blah!! I don't want to understand your basic logic... Amazing, I wonder what they put in the water there^^
Guess what he backed it up! 😭🤦🏻♂️😂 had to watch thizzzz 😂
Love your videos Jimmy but this was a hard watch. NBA is by far the best basketball league but it's still played in America.
If you wanna call yourselves World Champions, FIBA should make a Tournament where you play all the best teams from the other continents like FIFA do, with the Club World Cup.
Yeah there should be a champions league for basketball worldwide. That would be lit
have you ever watched eurobasket? have you seen how much (almost) EVERY NBA player struggles just as much if not MORE? get a grip on reality
Exactly
That would be great! I would love to watch NBA teams play against top Euro teams.
@Batx01234LOLXDidk it’s kinda dumb to say world champs of the national basketball association
'The worst part is he might be right'
Bro he IS right.
Except he isn't
@@Niberspace In what way? Real Madrid beat the Dallas Mavericks just a week ago. FC Barcelona beat the 2010 Lakers after they won 2 consecutive NBA "world" championships. German team Alba Berlin beat the 2014 Spurs. All of these American teams were using their complete roster, absolutely no excuses. Please make your case as to why NBA teams should be called "world champions"
isn't that answered in the video? @@davidsoup1738
@@Niberspacehe is
@@davidsoup1738yeah but that’s clearly not a competitive game, it’s called preseason for a reason, Wrexham beat Manchester United in preseason does that mean they’re better
Great video as usual but this is the first time I totally disagree with what you are saying. And I think it's great that at the end you state that that it's your opinion. Because fact is, everything you highlighted shows that the NBA is just a domestic league filled with the best basketball talent the world can offer. That doesn't automatically translate to it being a world championship though, it's still just a national championship because there are no international teams competing. The international players competing there are representing domestic teams from the United States. Man City are probably the best football club team in the world right now. They won the prestigious UEFA Champions League just a few months. And they are rightfully called European champions. No one refers to them as world champions. They will have to earn that title at the FIFA club world cup later this year. I have a 99.9% certainty that they'll probably win the title but there are no formalities in sport and that's why you have to go out and earn every title or accolade, it is not handed over to you. The stats you shared prove that. As dominant as U.S teams have been there are times when they've been upset by national or international teams from other countries. Even the NBA itself shows there are no formalities in competition, you still have to go out and win. Miami showed that this year. All throughout the NBA playoffs they were the least favored to win yet they made it all the way to the Finals. If we were to use your logic then we wouldn't even have to step on the court, we would just give wins to teams whom we think are better or are the best on paper. But that's not how competition works.
What are you talking about bud?? How is man city going to compete in fifa World Cup later this year???
@@slyfox8953there’s a world club cup every year separate to the World Cup, the winners of each congenital tournament play in it
a team of our c tier superstars will beat any "world" team .
@@slyfox8953 you've never heard of the FIFA Club World Cup? It's an annual competition between the continental champions of each FIFA confederation.
NBA champs arent an american team though
I think its the goofy way he said it that got people pissed. Deep down some of the nba guys know he's right.
I'm with you on that. He basically sounded like he gave them 0 credit and seems more annoyed that himself, a world champion track star, is not getting the same recognition.
Funny enough, but Noah Lyles is absolutely correct 💯😂
How is he right when it’s a world league. People all around the world 🌍 dream to play in the NBA and some actually make it smh. How many people you know dream to play in the euro league smh he dumb as hell
Ok. Maybe. Now in two years let’s see any team beat bron, KD, tatum, curry, AD, jimmy, and kawhi
You're missing the point. So is this video @@felixreardon4335
@@felixreardon4335 Don't jinx it, those guys might not be competitive next year. Bron is 38, KD 34, Curry 35, Butler 33, Kawhi 32. Only Tatum would be on top of his game if he's not injured. How many of them would be free of injury by August next year? Let's wait and see.
Man clearly didn’t watch the video
I've always felt this way. Like how arrogant is it to win a national title and just act like nobody else in the world exists?
lowkey facts tho, a bottom feeder play in or lottery nba team would 50 pierce the best euroleagues team
It might be a strange choice of words but I don’t think it’s arrogant. It’s pretty obvious that the NBA is miles ahead of any other basketball competition. The champs are the best team in the world at that time. It’s just semantics. Having a global competition at this point would be a formality and people still wouldn’t care as much as they do about winning an NBA title. That might change in the coming decades.
@@Ewach21you guys are makung the rules and still loosing
I always hated baseball especially calling it the world series, ridiculous
Can Alabama truly be college football champions national champions without playing the D3 & D2 champs?
This aged too well 😂
now they assembled the avengers 😂
They assembled a team of old players. Lebron will not get any charity FT's. This will not be a walk.
@@rona6063 you really think so? i think theyll win it easily
Very well since he won. 🥇
tooo well lmao
who let bro cook💀
USA 111 - GER 113. World champions of what?😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm new to basketball and dont know half of the names mentioned. When did this match happen?
@@henningduplessis2845that match was in the FIBA World Cup, the match was like 5 Days Ago.
You didn’t beat our best players 😂
So you going to act like that was the best team america can put out ? See you at the Olympics 😂
Never thought I’d see the day where my boy Jxmmy missed. He’s human after all 💔
Indeed
He didn't miss
@@livingrentfree9596well Canada and the USA did
@@livingrentfree9596he missed you deluded brain dead American😂
@@Daft0Cean968yall beat third strings hop off the meat will you
World Best vs World Champion. Often the same but not in this case. Noah is on point. Jxmy when you admit he is technically correct, then he is correct.
It is the same in this case
ikr, it's basically saying that since LaLiga is one of the best football leagues in the world and there are more foreign players than national players in Barcelona (which are the current champions), it means that they are the best in the world, which in this case are either Manchester City or Real Madrid
@@SouthJerzVillains It's definitely not and it amazes me how hard it is for Americans to understand this. Perfect example is soccer, the team that wins the Champions League is the best team in the world, but no one calls them world champions, even if there is a ton of players from all over the world playing in the Champions League. It makes sense when it comes to national teams, you could say Spain or the US are world champions because they're the last ones to win internationally recognized tournaments, but it makes no sense to call yourself that if your league is only played in one region.
@@RapGameFanGthis whole argument really reinforces American stereotypes of arrogance, ignorance and self-centredness😂😂😂
@@blazer7731 theres probably no other league in basketball that can even come close to the nba soccer is a complete worldwide sport with many good leagues all over the world. comparing apples to oranges
back here WE GOLD
5:42 - "The title of world champion doesn't inherently come from being the best in the world, it comes from winning a competition that includes the entire world. Or does it?"
Yes, it does.
Dude thought he was VSAUCE for a moment 😂😂
Aged like milk (the video, great comment)
And the best players from all across the world all play in the NBA… idk how hard this is to understand. Name one player that could be an MVP candidate in the NBA that doesn’t play in the NBA
that should have been the end of the video
@@christosbelibasakis2296 that's not the point, how many times do we have to say it, we are not even talking about the same thing. The Denver Nuggets are the best team in the world, but that's not what we're talking about, are you even listening ?
Hearing the truth hurts, but lying to yourself hurts even more
Living the lie hurts, but protecting the lie hurts even more.
@@kingflockthewarrior202 yeah, the lie that NBA champs are world champs is a hard lie to protect.
It's called delusional
Second-hand embarrassment if its their idol who being buffon
@@davidsoup1738but they are the world champs it’s the league of the best players in the world
Can’t believe it. He Finally missed
yh his argument is false@@Okok30308
True
He was actually spot on.
@@BlackLight_VA seen it from the latest usa match lmaoo
@@haldy-pand the other matches before and the last 20 years before.
update :
1. this guy won bronze
2. usa- france men's basketball is over...you know who won😂
He also won gold smart one😂😂
He’s triple world champion
got more medals then lebron James at the past olympics
This shouldnt even be an argument. "National Basketball Association"
😂👍.
Given that name, and stuck with it
You’d be an idiot to think the nba is only a national league at this point
There’s players from all around the world that compete in the nba
6:20
@@thetf8142 Yes it is still a national league. The EPL in England is composed of 66% foreign players and it's still a domestic league. The NBA on the other hand is made up of only 23% foreign players. Even if it was 100% foreign players, that wouldn't change the fact that it is a NATIONAL LEAGUE
@@gideonomeri6671perfectly said. Idk how there is even an argument with this
@@gideonomeri6671you missed the whole point of the video. by technicalities, yeah they shouldn’t be called world champions, but because the best players in the world are in that nation, United States, there’s an argument that they can be called world champions
Noah is 100% Correct. In Soccer for example many would argue that the Premiere Leuage(UK) or LaLiga(Spain) are the best Leagues but winning that league doesn't make them World champions. In those leagues there are even more international players and more games then in an World-cup but that doesn't change the fact that Winning the World-cup makes you a Worldchampion. And thats why the NBA does not make you a Worldchampion.
Yeah but the talent level competing in the FIFA World Cup and the significance of winning a World Cup far outweighs the importance of a the FIBA World Cup or Olympic Gold Medal in Basketball. And you can ask damn near any football fan and they will say there country winning a World Cup means more than, there favourite premier league team winning the prems, or your favourite LaLiga team winning the LaLiga or even your your favourite team winning the Champions League. You can’t apply the logic of other sports to basketball since it’s just so different. Like Dennis Schroder was the FIBA World Cup MVP be we all know for a fact he ain’t at that same level in the NBA.
cool england by far the best league in the world still aint no wolrd champ, ucl winner are called champions of europe even tho the quality difference is so high its just as high as the nba compared to others, only when they win the club world cup are they world champs and even then a team like barca or madrid would rather take a ucl, la liga, copa del rey, super copa, super cup over a club wolrd cup since its so pointless but they still gotta compete@@nothingnew7273
@@nothingnew7273this argument will never be valid it's literally called NBA and N stands for national it's plain disrespectful to everyone else involved to say that the NBA champions are world champions especially to Germany who actually are the world champions
So michael jordan only be US champion 6 times..not world champion
Bullshit NBA is the best league in the world for basket ball and need I bring up team USA winning gold what 99% of the time cementing the title of best of the best
The champions league is the clear example. Whoever wins clearly is the best team in the world but everyone will say “champions of europe” until they win the fifa club World Cup. The match is often nothing more than a formality but still the only way to rightfully earn the title “World champion”
Your logic went to 100 to 0 in a matter seconds
explain how he’s wrong
@@Gamer-qv5rc pointless trying to explain to delulu American, his argument is stupid to begin with
You are right, yet the current Wolrd Champions still are the spanish national team.
Kudos to Lyles to speak about something obvious for most of the people.
if you finish the video he did not say it that way. Did not even mention Spain. he is trash
We didnt even send our best players to the olympics tho lmao
@@justever5301 That is YOUR problem lol, why would you nerf yourself
@@pabloruedaarzoz8065 Because the players want to get ready for an NBA championship because it serves more merit than a world championship. You're beating the best talent in the world, whereas in the world you're essentially rolling through teams you already know you'll roll through.
@hariss it dont matter whether the NBA is more valiable to them or not, they are not world champion if they dont win the world tournament
The point is not that denver would beat any other team in the world....the point simply is as long as they don't, they can't call them selfs the world champions
Saying otherwise is just ignorance
Imagine if they crowned the warriors the NBA champions in 2016 because they were clearly the best team in the nba by long shot.......u see what I'm saying 😂
Facing the best international teams would be a waste of time, why watch a game you know the non NBA team is 100% losing
@@the935dudew3that’s not even true, for example in football, there’s a club World Cup and it’s the best team in Europe against the best team in Asia, Africa, Oceania and South America.
You’d expect the European team to win it all the time yet that’s not true. (It also brings quite a big audience)
@@the935dudew3 there is no such thing as 100% losing when it comes to competition
2. According to you, the warriors shouldve been crowned nba after going up 3-1 in the finals facing the cavs....cuzz the possibility of a team coming back from being down 3-1 is mere 4.7%....so basically the warriors playing a game 5 was a waste of time and they shouldve been awarded the chip after game 4, correct??
@@thouinarthurthe difference between Europe and the world in football isn't comparable to the US vs the World in basketball. It's asinine to even try and draw that comparison.
@@deshthewraithLoLyes it is
Crazy thing is you see no international players saying anything. Insecure American players the only ones saying that. I bet if you ask Jokic if you would consider him a world championship I would bet he would say no, he’s a NBA champion, not a world champion.
One thing they played in both leagues he would say yes because he knows the competition over here is tougher he doesn’t need to play against them with his world champion team to prove it he knows
@@manuelgibbons5903once again, world champion and club champion are simply fundamentally different, by definition.
If you want to be dense and obtuse, you can try to make the argument that Lyles is wrong. I’m American and what he said is common sense.
@@manuelgibbons5903you're from the US. There's a whole different world out there man.
because none of them give a fuck, they know how stupid Lyles is for saying that.
@@theanonymouslegion4811do you truly believe that any team has a chance against the Denver Nuggets outside of the NBA? Like let’s be real.
Until you actually play in a world competition you cannot call yourselves world champions. Period. Its a misnomer
111-12 is not a good argument. Brazil also has a statline like this in International Soccer. They still can't call themself World Champ all the time.
I find it funny others sports in USA called themselves world champions except football or whatever you call soccer because they know they're not even the best at CONMEBOL lol
@@BlackSocks-ew7qy USA don't play in CONMEBOL, they play in CONCACAF, one of the weakest in the world XD
@@franciscosanchez-op1dc then that's even worse, I find it amazing Alphonso Davies got a good development playing in that league
Might be because America has the best Basketball League and wins what 99% of the gold in the Olympics in Basketball and 161-17 is a lot better or 41-1 in the past decades
If 111-12 isn’t a good argument what is should it be 121-12 or 131-12 for it to show how much better the League is and Team USA especially with the 26+ point blow out margin you’d think it’d be close
Not even teams that win the champions league call themselves world champs, and there’s a whole bunch of international players in there. Noah is 100% correct.
THIS
This is a good point. But my rebuttal would be if there is a stat that could show how premier league teams do against other league teams like how it showed USA basketball has won ~90% of their games in the last 4 decades. Then I would give you more credit. But perhaps since futbol is more popular than basketball it could mean that futbol is more competitive internationally instead of how basketball is more centered in the USA.
@@elazer7116i think that’s irrelevant though. The team who win the UCL every year is clearly the best team in the world, but they never call themselves that until they win the club world cup, a competitive competition with actual merit which comprises of the winners from the UCL, Copa Libertadores, Asian champions league and African champions league. The European team almost always wins, but at least that way, it’s certified.
The NBA teams hand pick European teams and play them in friendlies. That is not the same at all😂😂 thats incredibly stupid
@@brendonutjitaexactly I don’t get why they can’t understand it. You not to win an actual competition against teams around the world. They just say our leagues the best so we’d probably win. It’s idiotic
@@maxkettlety1136It's not tho name one team outside the nba beating the nuggets in 7 games I'll wait
8:15 as someone from Israel, maccabi ra'anana is a second division team, there are about 20 teams in Israel better than them. Also if you only consider NBA vs euroleague games, the euroleague teams have a 13-52 record, much better. And also the games are played with NBA rules which obviously helps NBA teams.
Edit: I do not remember where i seen it, but when playing with fiba rules (which are far better rules) euroleague teams have a 9-16 record, not great but a bottom team in NBA. Also I know the NBA is far better, I'm just pointing some wrong stuff jxmy said
💀💀don't do Jimmy like that man
Great point
Also we are forgetting the biggest point, these pre season games are friendly games with nothing to loose and nothing to gain for teams seasons, it is a show for the crowd, good television, fantastic place for advertisements, BUT it is a friendly game and nobody takes these games seriously.
@@Dainius22yeah your right, and that’s especially the case for nba players
@@matthiasclemaron3378 Do I see this correctly on wikipedia, maccabi ra'anana has 4 players of their starting 5 from USA?
Who here after Noah just won the gold in the 100m?
The MVP point also goes against you. If the last 5 best players were international, what you're saying is the US is just a vehicle that the best players are riding in.
It's like inviting all the best players to my backyard, then arguing my house is the best place ever.
Good point! Also goes to show that there is a lot of talent internationally that americans love to underestimate (as they even do with now MVPs when they come to the league)
Yes, and they’re going there only for the money. I mean, I don’t care about the money, but if basketball was popular than football in Europe no one would care going to compete in the NBA. It’s that simple
I never thought I'd disagree with Jimmy yet here we are, wow
Idk, his arguments sound legit to me
@@kxkxsjk2 legit or not, nba teams are not a country, more techincally its a state team. No matter how diverse your team is, it's still in america.
Make a poll. Let's see what americans think, and what the rest of the world thinks
In the same way in football, whoever wins the Champions League isn't the world champion. They're the champion of Europe.
The Premier League or La Liga are 2 of the best leagues in the world. If you win one of them, you're not a world champion either.
No idea why American sports have this distinction
And both of those leagues are full of international players.
Congrats to the Dream Team on the 13th loss today. With love from Lithuania 🇱🇹
literally the author of this video admits a US national team has lost multiple times. Like wtf??? That alone is proof you can't just assume the NBA champion would be world champion taht is not how sports work. Such a bizarre take
does not even make sense, for example the current NBA champions best player is Serbian...so will the Denver Nuggest beat the Serbian national team??? how can we find out? thats somespace jam fantasy basketball sh*t .....world championships are a competition between countries not clubs@@Nice-sm5hr
that's far from the dream team lmfao none of those players on that team are even a top 20-25 player. we literally have a JV team playing over there right now.
Hardly a dream team, but also respect to Lithuania and the rest of the world for stepping up the level of international play. Getting closer to the day when there might actually be a point to having an international world championship tournament
The cavaliers vs San Lorenzo is the same as Bayern Munich vs UANL and beating them. It doesn’t matter it still needs to be played out to be called world champs. The cavs aren’t taken out of the competition for sucking ass mid season are they? Even when they have no chance of winning any chip, they still play it.
And now he the world champion😂
The moment you have to say technically he’s right… he’s right
A lot of feelings were hurt. But last time I checked that's what truth does.
No it doesn’t? He’s technically right in terms of the word but that wasn’t all what nyels was saying.
@@nozersWinning the NBA Finals doesn't make you a world champion. Simple
@@LND209 explain? If it doesn’t make you a world champion then it makes you something even greater, because an nba chip is worth way more then an Olympic or fiba basketball trophy, to actual basketball players atleast, and probably value too
That's what you think, but a lot of people including me would 100% take their national team winning a FIBA tournament than their favorite NBA team winning a championship@@nozers
This aged extremely well. Happy for Dennis Schroder
Gonna aged badly now that he has to play superstars at the Olympics gonna see how the world reacts to another Gold medal for the USA
@@Channel-23sdmbasss Americans
@migueldiamondunimportant you mean the event that happens for hundreds to thousands of years and once in 4 years the same one America plays seriously and wins 99% of the time 🗿🗿🤦♂️🤦♂️ the same one hundreds of countries compete and send thousands of people to ........ try telling athletes that it’s unimportant they will laugh on you’re face 😂😂
@migueldiamond you could say the same about fiba. none of the best players in the world care about it. Hell the best player in the world decided to drink beer and ride horses rather than take part in the "world championship" , cause everyone knows nba finals is whats matters and is the pinnacle of competitve basketball.
@migueldiamond The argument is that the Denver nuggets are the best team in the world, not that the USA is. Fact is, fiba is just a competition that has to break up the already established best team in the world in order to give lesser competition a chance. If you think Fiba decides whos the best then you must also think dennis schroder is the most valuable player in the world, when he's a meme and a bench player on a NBA championship level team.
With this piece of charisma and personality, Lyles catapulted himself from a brilliant athlete to a world renowned athlete.
Yeah I really like him for this
Why not make a basketball champions league?! Best 2-3 teams of all countries play a tournament every 2 years?!
The man, the myth, the legend, finally missed 😓
Missed what?
"Does winning the NBA Finals truly make a team the World Champions... technically NO... by definition they are not World Champions, but I mean... c'mon." He's right. He's basically saying both sides are right to some extent.
@@sachemofboston3649except one side is right, period. No caveats needed.
@@sachemofboston3649 And he's wrong that both sides are right
@@Nice-sm5hr nah he’s right. It’s nuanced, there’s no straight forward answer.
Doesn't matter if there are more national players. It's about the teams. Look at the most prestigious trophy in club football. The UEFA Champions League is built up of 32 of Europe's best teams going at it every season. Teams from DIFFERENT COUNTRIES and, just like the NBA, DIFFERENT PLAYERS of those teams' nations play in them as well. For example, Messi (Argentina) playing with Barcelona (Spain). This is the hardest competition filled with elite clubs... AND STILL, they do not call themselves the WORLD CHAMPIONS. They say Champions of Europe! In a perfect world, basketball is like football. With perhaps a super league of teams around the world with different national players going at it. But the NBA is where the money is and we know they are the best. But they just shouldn't be calling themselves the world champions. It's ridiculous and sooo American.
Yh the champions league is great comparison, best teams, best players from all over the world yet the winners would never be called world champions despite the fact that City would probably smoke every team around the world
this.
Yep. This is exactly it. Winning the NBA does not make you a world champion
Yeah, obviously the NBA is much more of a monopoly in Basketball. But, it's like if the winner of the Prem was called the World Champion because it is the biggest league in the world and has international players.
@@julianguesnon7380not prem, champions League and who ever wins the champion league is the best team in the world = world champion
Imagine the UCL champions call themselves "world champions" 😂😂😂😂
They'd be mocked by everyone 😂 Americans are something else man.
@@YeYe-ni7qyexactly they think that the only county we know is america smh
Americans don't care about soccer to be bothered by that let's be for real
@@999WRLDGAMING.that’s why they think things like ‘world champions’ of a national league makes sense.
@@tomfrench1397 It has nothing to do with that, if you followed the NBA more you would realise the worst NBA team can win against the best International team by a wide margin 10/10 games. I agree it shouldn't be called the world championship but stop acting like its not comparable.
And now, team USA has a gold medal... Soo, I guess he is wrong? Lol.
That’s not the point. He says the nba champs are not the world champs. And olympic champion does not mean world champions either
No. The Olympics isn’t the NBA and the US team isn’t an NBA team. You can only be ‘champions’ of something by winning a competition that includes all of what you are claiming to be champions of. To be ‘European champions’ of football, for example, you have to win a European competition. To be world champion in the Marathon you have to win at the world championships. The NBA even has ‘national’ in its name. If you win it you can claim to be National champions only. Is it the most prestigious thing in basketball? Probably. It’s not a world championships though.
Shoutout to Team USA for taking 4th place💪🏿
A huge improvement from 7th😂
Very rarely does Jimmy disappoint. Unfortunately, this is one among them. The bias is very obvious and I love the fact that the viewers are calling him out for it. Reminds me of the time when he did his first GOAT tier ranking video and ended up giving Kobe a lot more points because he was 'just Kobe'. Jimmy kept deleting comments calling him out for a good few days. Take the L Jimmy, take the L.
interesting that only US born players replied to that tweet 🤔
Only one taking an L here is you unfortunately
Name one team outside of the NBA who could beat them. Name one. Nobody could, it's a huge waste of everybody's time. I'd bet my life savings on that fact.
@@mosstwig3591 still missing the point. Probably nobody could. But then again, no such competition happened yet. And in 75 years, it could've happened once or twice. Besides, make it a world competition and you'll see money being poured into other teams around the world. Then some of the better players in the NBA would also go there. If then NBA teams end up winning, they deserve the title. Until then? Nope.
There is nothing wrong with someone having a personal bias in a video. Its jxmy's channel, he can do whatever he wants with it. What baffles me the most, is how people are up in arms about it. Technically, the NBA is an international league. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure most of the best basketball players in the world are currently playing in the NBA.
This becomes even more apparent with FIBA world championships, where the exact thing is shown on the court. The NBA players that are playing for their countries are usually the top players on the teams and teams that have more of them (like Canada, Australia and of course the US) tend to be a lot stronger because of it.
So, outside of a few exceptions that are playing in strong european leagues, pretty much the best players in the world are in the NBA. In a way we can see it as a champion's league, where some of the strongest teams in the world are competing. It is technically a US company / organisation, but I see it as an international league nonetheless. In that way, you could argue it is the best teams in the world playing against each other, even though that term is technically incorrect.
Frankly, I don't care what people call it. I am as much a fan of bashing 'murica' for its politics, it's financial systems, the way it behaves in the world, or any other valid reason. However, just as much as the average US citizen is not at fault for this, bashing one of the most interesting and exciting sports that is based there just isn't fair, or needed. Let's just appreciate the good things, regardless of the terminology.
I believe deep down they all know he’s right. Now admitting that takes a lot of humility and mental clarity.
He forgot the olympics exist
People just see famous people disagree and disagree right along with them. Can’t stop and actually think for themselves 🤦🏾♂️
@@estelalopez3563the best basketball players in the world don’t care about the Olympics anymore because the nba finals means more.
Idk man. Best players in the world and it’s considered the most coveted trophy in the world. You gotta be the best basketball team to win it. Just cause it’s American teams doesn’t change the fact that jokic and giannis are the best players in the world.
@@eliyarrows2456 bro…how can they be considered world champions if they have can players who represent different countries play on the same teams? Just because it’s the best league in the world doesn’t automatically make the winners of it world champions. To be a world championship team, you need to beat out the world, not just your league.