HSS v. ND Filter | Why I Always Use An ND Filter (And The BIG Benefit of Doing So!)
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RE-UPLOADING DUE TO TH-cam TECHNICAL ERROR ON MY LAST UPLOAD
DISCLAIMER: the audio in this video is far from perfect! It unfortunately was windy and my audio didn't pan out as good as I was hoping it would. Nonetheless, I'm putting this video out because there's some useful information. There's no audio clipping but there is audible wind noise throughout the video. Proceed at your own risk. :-)
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Aye man props to you for still going thru with the video upload. OBVIOUSLY, we can't always have the best results when we are filming by ourselves and are unable to monitor the audio and focus. But AGAIN shout out to you for still uploading the content despite the mistakes. Also, the wind noise actually wasn't that bad. Good stuff!
Much appreciated my G! 🙏🏾
Appreciate you continuing to put this up even in the elements. People need this and I just learned so much that I thought I already knew! Great work.
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Good video. Thanks for making it. I switched from HSS to ND filters ( I use the sensor clip in filters) about a year ago, and for me the main benefit has been enabling me to downsize my strobes to smaller, lighter units. I sold my AD400 and AD200 and replaced with an AD300 and AD100. I’m always looking to carry less gear and this is a perfect solution for that.
@Steve Rogers it's very interesting to me that you made those switches; I do understand the size and weight differences, but to me both of those flashes are overpriced, especially the AD100, but if size and weight is important, cost is irrelevant. I appreciate you watching and commenting.
I appreciate you, brother. Clear talk based on facts, real world examples. humble attitude. I'm already an ND believer but I frequently have to explain this to other shooters and I think your video is one of the clearest. keep up the good work.
Thank you so much! I appreciate YOU!!
This was a fun video, and the audio was no big deal… but your video made me realize why I never encounter this problem: My outdoor still photography shoots are always morning or evening magic hour, which not only serves as a kind of “natural ND filter,” but also a more flattering color & direction of ambient light anyway.
wow, this really helped my understanding of the whole process. Thank you so much for this.
You are most welcome!
Very good video, wind didn't bother me, wasn't that bad. Great info and you explained it very well. Again, obviously, you did a great job :)
@Allen Maestas thank you so much, I very much appreciate your comment!
The audio really wasn't that bad. It was bearable. Great video. Thanks!
Nice video Anthony...keep them coming
Great and informative video, even with the wind noise...great job...keep it up!!
Thank you @Dan Lovell, very much appreciate the comment!
An excellent comparison of the two, Anthony. Thanks!!!
Thank you so much @JohnChubbSr, I appreciate you watching and commenting.
G'day from down under Anthony. Mate, what a great video. I loved the content, which I am always chasing. But the additional entertainment for me was your total honesty in its presentation. You seem to be self-monitoring those oft-used words, "again, obviously" - good for you buddy. Bloody great stuff. I know I'm replying to a year-old vid, but I hope my comments make their way to you. I've subscribed because I see a lot of intelligent photographic information in you. And mate, the way you handled the wind in what seemed to be a one-man crew (you) was bloody fantastic. Beauty mate. Look forward to learning heaps from you. Get to Aus Wallaby sometime, I think you will love it - particularly if you love a cold beer on a hot day cobber. Cheers.
Thank you so much @chrisyoung2511, I really appreciate you taking the time to comment! The struggle is so real being a one-man-band out here but I push through regardless, in big part due to comments like this. I do very much enjoy a nice, cold beer! 😉🍺
Good explanation/comparison. Subscribed 🤙🏻
Thank you so much @ZEDU657, I appreciate you watching and commenting.
Forget about the wind, your video is extremely helpful since I have been running into problems with lack of flash power in HSS mode. I can't wait to try to compensate with an ND filter ... thanks!!
I'm glad this video was helpful @Dietrich Abraham! ND's are definitely the way to go unless you either a) are on the move and only need HSS for a quick shot or b) you have something like an AD400 or AD600 that has ample power to accommodate the loss. Even still, I personally think HSS is unnecessary wear and tear on the bulb so I avoid it at all costs.
I needed this explanation. Thanks
Hey brother, first of all, the wind sound was not really bad at all. And the explanation is on point. Great tutorial brother.
Thank you @Natnael Bereket Mesfin, I very much appreciate that.
Great video, mate!
Thank you so much @vladibarraza!
Great insight and information keep up the great work...
Most definitely @P J, thank you for watching and commenting.
Good video and very informative. Thank you.
Thank you very much!
That’s 😆 the universe responded with a video,I was just about to try some VND filters and flash 📸💪🏾 thanks
@GodFrequency777 the universe always delivers, lolol.
Thank you for this, subbed ✨
You are most welcome @Romeo.Filmss, I appreciate the view and the sub! 💪🏾
Thanks for the effort that you put in all by yourself.
It definitely is a chore doing all of this solo but it's worth it @Bull Waves.
Thank you very much for making this video.
You’re most welcome @Carl III, thank you for watching.
😂😂😂😂 "TMIDD" is now a verb 🤦♂️. Great video and examples to show the difference and benefit to using the ND filter versus HSS. ND filters are really useful my goto is the B+W brand great quality!
"TMIDD" is definitely a verb now hahaha. My OCD wouldn't let me have a broken screen on my strobes so I have to make sure they don't have a meeting with the ground lol. B+W is the only brand filters I use; I did some exhaustive testing a couple years ago and found no image degradation so it's my brand of choice 100%. And the brass threads help a TON with preventing seizing.
Great video… don’t worry about the wind noise… all good!
@Oleh Koblyeckyj much appreciated good sir! Thanks for commenting, and watching.
Informative vid, Tysm ! 👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼
You are most welcome!
Cool Video. Will have to trying using ND on my next shoot. Thanks
Definitely do so @kim fraser and report back with your thoughts. :-)
I remember your comment about HSS vs. ND from a recent video. Glad you followed up. Do you always use a. 3 step ND filter or do you meter the difference between subject and background and select a filter based on that ratio?
Hey my friend, I usually use a 3 stop. Anything greater than that and it becomes challenging to compensate the flash. Sometimes a 4 stop would be better but I only have a 3, 6, and 10 stop. Great question sir.
Really depends how fast your lens will be. 2.8 vs 1.4 is 2 stops difference
This is where Variable ND filter is handy. No need to carry several ND filters, just one.
Fabulous! Thank you. I need to experiment with ND filters in the field!
Indeed! I use my VND almost 100% of the time when I'm outside.
I'd love to see you do this with a model. I have only seen 2 videos talk about ND and flash before and would be looking forward to seeing you do this on a client. Your video is way better than I could do for real my man. BTW I subbed because you seem down to earth.
Thanks for commenting @davidbarnard6048. It’s difficult doing this type of video with a model due to timing, and I typically don’t record YT vids with clients as my sessions aren’t long and it takes a while to record these videos. Out of curiosity, what do you think would be different with a model versus what’s in this video?
Nice catch man haha. Fast reflexes
@Trinidad Valdez stay ready so I don't have to get ready, lolol.
I like the honesty at the beginning of the video.
It is a good subject viddo. I am currently buying a flash for my Sony a7c
I appreciate the comment @C C, thank you for watching. What flash did you buy for the Sony?
@@AnthonyToglife Hvl-f60rm2, very powerful, more compact than i thought, range 20-200mm, face detection recognition, Sto-fen diffuser, and color filter included. I like the bigger screen because my sight is very bad. i like the dedicated button + and - for flash compensation. my a7c looks like pro with the smallrig 3212 cage/grip and the sony flash..
@@CC-gt3ro oh so you went native, rarely a bad choice.
Great video and really good info. I've been shooting for 3 years and now I've started using speedlights more. "Obviously" 😂 I'm looking for more info to help me learn a new style. That and ND filters are new to me too. "Again," the wind wasn't too bad. I can see why you'd want to reshoot the video though. Thanks for the content and helping other photog types like myself. Hearing the wind and seeing the landscape made me a bit homesick too. 👍🏼
This comment definitely made me smile this morning, lol, thanks very much!
Great charisma bro 👏🏻
Thank you so much @mykytapolulikh9938!
good video.
But why didn't you have the ND filter on the camera you film with? :D
Hahaha, well @Nicklas Jansson, that would be because I'm a procrastinator and haven't bought a step-up ring to be able to fit my ND on the lens I film with.
Great video. I'm an audio engineer, and I was pleasantly surprised at how well that lav picked up clean audio so much so that it seems like the wind Boise was captured separately and added in. What mic is that? I'm definitely going to grab a few. Maybe use some skin safe tape or reverse mount under the shirt. 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Hey @BonnersCreate, my apologies I'm just now getting around to responding to comments. I used the Tascam DR-10L; I absolutely love this recorder/mic!
@AnthonyToglife No worries. I appreciate you. Great content bro.
Thanks for making a video demonstrating the difference. I've seen so many videos saying you lose 3 stops with HSS, but they use a 3 stop ND to make up for it. I was always left wondering if there was a real benefit.
This shows that 3 stops isn't really 3 stops.
Thanks!
@HNSB there is a flash power loss when using HSS, but I don't know how many stops it is. My light meter doesn't allow for HSS metering so I can't even test it. I guess it doesn't matter, the important thing to note is that your flash power is decreased, quite significantly too when you're up in the higher power settings.
Anthony Toglife using Sketonic 858-d I can tell you the power loss depends on the brand and the model.
There is a ton of difference. Especially the higher the SS is over sync speed the more you loose.
@@Lucy-dk5cz of course! I personally wasn’t looking to quantify the amount in this video, I just wanted to illustrate that there is a loss.
Good video do you normally shoot In manual mode?
Thank you @dj mauce. If you're referring to manual mode shooting stills, the answer would be no. I sometimes use aperture and shutter priority modes depending on the shoot. For flash, yes, always manual. I've never got into TTL when shooting flash, I just prefer to use my light meter and adjust the settings manually.
Greetings!
nice presentation, congratulations.
would you please give me your opinion on whether I should buy the original Canon or Mekie,
Canon EF-EOS R adapter with neutral density input filter (V-ND)
@mirobalic3613 I ALWAYS advocate for going OEM but I do get the prices can sometimes be prohibitive. That being said, I have heard that auto focusing isn’t as goof with the Meike adapter and the camera often throws error codes. Use at your own risk if you go that route.
@@AnthonyToglife Thank you, you solved my doubt, I have another one, is the ND filter in the adapter good enough as the one that comes on the lens.
Thank you very much !
@@mirobalic3613 hands down, yes, absolutely as good, and with many of the filters on the market today, the RF adapter ND's are better. Not to mention the ease of changing lenses and still having ND is beneficial. The downside, however, is when you don't need an ND, there's nothing to put in the slot when you have the ND removed, so you either have to keep it open, which will allow dust and things to reach your sensor, or you'll have to swap out to a non-ND adapter.
@@AnthonyToglife Thank you very much, the noise of the wind did not bother me. Haha.
Thank you thank you .
that was great content and execution you dont have to explain yourself when you are providing great commentary
Much appreciated @raul Frias, thank you!
Audio might be a little fiddly but that demonstration of the autofocus when you grabbed the light stand was more than worth it
LOL @Gamemaster Growth way to look at the positives hahaha.
Job! Thanks!
Thank you @JulesMoyaert_photo.
Hi Anthony Toglife. Do you have any recommendations for an ND filter? I'm thinking of buying one for my canon 24-70 2.8ii (82mm) and using step down filters for use on my other lenses.
@Leon Chen I have a TON of filters, all of them are B+W! Their filters are quality, great glass, brass threads, no image degradation. Obviously they aren't cheap, but I would highly advise against getting any cheap filter. No sense in having quality glass and putting it behind some cheap filter. Hoya has a line of good filters as well. (Side note, I did some rigorous testing with all my ND filters to assure there was no noticeable image degradation.)
@@AnthonyToglife thanks for the in-depth reply. I’ll look into the b+w filters
Do you use a mirrorless system? If so look into a sensor based ND
Question: when you throw on the ND do you white balance with it attached?
I do. Because I shoot RAW and WB can be changed in post with zero impact to the image, I don’t worry much about WB. I shoot auto WB most of the time.
#Anthony Toglife, i have seen many video where one says about using ND FILTER rather than HSS. I have one doubt...I got the point how much it ll b helpful in bright sunny day...but WHAT about CAPTURING action? will there any use of ND FILTER then or one has to use HSS on d powerful strobe to freeze the action?
@Praveen Kumar it would depend on the action you're trying to capture but in general you likely would NOT use an ND in those cases since a faster shutter speed would be desired. There's always trade-offs in photography. :-D
Great Video
Thank you kindly @MartinV., much appreciated!
Thanks for uploading this anyways I've always used nd filters, ha put tmidd on blast that's hilarious 😂
ND filters are the way to go @Art_by _Adrian2. I know some people bulk at them but I personally would rather get the most out of my flash unless I'm in a hurry. TMIDD is my guy, I'm always giving him sh** about something, lol.
you said it like no one ever said it before and i always wondered why some people just didnt use hss
Yeah @Krusty, I use HSS when I'm super pressed for time but otherwise I'll always use an ND, if nothing else to save on the wear and tear on my lights.
way to keep your composure!
☺️ thank you @Jeannette Shipek!
Thanks bro
You're most welcome!
Hi Boss, but with ND filter are You use, how strong need to be?
Hey @Cezarygon, it depends on how many stops of ambient you need to cut out. I usually use shutter speed to figure it out. If I know my max flash sync speed is 1/250, I count how many stops from my ambient exposure it would take to get me to my flash sync speed. For example, if my desired ambient exposure is 1/2000s, I can calculate I need a 3-stop ND filter to get me to 1/250s.
As far as brand wise what indeed filter would you recommend?
My apologies it's taken me so long to respond @TerryJ Studios, I was out of town and didn't access TH-cam at all, lol. I strictly and solely use B+W filters. I've done extensive testing with them and they don't degrade the image quality and have minimal color casting. I'm sure other brands may be good as well, but I've used B+W from the beginning and never looked at anything else.
Again, another great video, obviously. When shooting with an SLR we had to try to focus and compose through 8-stops of ND and HHS was great for the user experience. But now you have me thinking that with mirrorless, shooting with ND and staring at nearly a black image shouldn't be an issue.
@John Gress it's definitely a hell of a lot easier on mirrorless with expo simulation being off (by default due to flash). Using my 3-stop isn't too bad even with a DSLR but when using my 6-stop, it was a serious struggle. With my R5, no issues whatsoever although I rarely need a 6-stop in this situation.
Man I been there done that bro! Especially hard doing it by yourself!
The struggle is so damn real Stan, you already know. I'm still trying to figure out how to record actual photo sessions. I specifically wanted to do this video outside to test working outdoors while trying to film. Needless to say I need to figure out a way to be a LOT more efficient!
Awesome Video Even Thought It Was Windy, needless to say, it Was Bad As I Thought.
Thank you @James Murray, I appreciate you watching.
Obliviously a good choice... Again 🤣🤣👍👍
I'm crackin' up @ddelacruz hahahaha.
Which ND filter brand did you use?
I exclusively use B+W filters! I did some extensive testing with them and found no image degradation and minimal color cast, so they’re the ones I trust.
What ND filter do you recommend Brandwise
My apologies it's taken me so long to respond @TerryJ Studios, I was out of town and didn't access TH-cam at all, lol. I strictly and solely use B+W filters. I've done extensive testing with them and they don't degrade the image quality and have minimal color casting. I'm sure other brands may be good as well, but I've used B+W from the beginning and never looked at anything else.
No problem brother! I understand, thank you for responding. I really enjoy your informative videos keep up the great work
What brand filter did you use?
@Arthur Safarov B+W
Definitely keep at it man! Repetition is key for me. And you are good for the "Every Man" as well as the aspiring photographers. Thanks a Million!
I very much appreciate those kind words @Julian BRINSON, thank you very much!
Nice video.
Thank you @ornino54!
nice explanation video. and love the humor, obviously.
the only downside to nd filters is that if you get into 6 stops (or more), you have to prefocus before putting the filters on. af (as far as i know) won't function with the image being that dark. your subject would need to be pretty stationary.
but i mainly shoot older mf glass. maybe newer lenses and cameras are capable of focusing through darker nd filters.
This would be the case with DSLR cams but not so for mirrorless. Sense mirrorless focus with the actual sensor, it adjusts the exposure to be able to get focus without issue. I use 6 stop ND’s quite frequently with video, and there’s never an issue grabbing focus.
@@AnthonyToglife d'oh! i figured, but since i'm just getting into mirrorless, i wasn't sure.
i'll try that out soon. i like my old quantum flash, but it doesn't do hss.
thanks...
What about if you are working with TTL?
No change @Patrick B. TTL essentially picks your flash power setting for you, it won’t change the fact that HSS reduces overall “effective” power.
It wasn’t bad at all 😊 thank you for the video
You are most welcome @Brandie Brandie, and thank you!
Wind was definitely not that bad. The dings were more a nuisance I’d say.
But great video!
You are absolutely right @UrbNVision! I wish I didn’t do that, lol. I’m probably gonna remake this video within the near future. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video, the counter was distracting though! 😅
Yeeeeah, I regret adding that, lol. Most probably wouldn’t have noticed if I didn’t call attention to it. I’ve since learned from that mistake 😂
@@AnthonyToglife Yes of course, I realize this video is old so I’m sure you have by now. I’ve been blessed recently to be able to explore professional photography and I’ve been doing research on picking up an ND filter for my new lens, and this was a great help. You’ve earned a subscription, my friend! Keep up the good work.
awesome effort. You are so fit probably 6 days a week in the gym. Again, obviously right, you know that obviously
Hahaha @kack7130, thanks for the laugh lol. I am in the gym pretty regularly but it's more to stay fit from just an overall health perspective, the physical is just an added bonus. ;-) Thank you so much for watching and commenting.
There are also a third option, Super Sync.
What is super sync?
@@AnthonyToglife th-cam.com/video/jqqB_EllQfw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=VF9rUs2hrHDahIil.
dark skin brother. the best line ever!
@Krusty 😂😂😂
Thanks for this. Now go get some wind filters.
Lol @Darrin Lalla, I have them but it wasn’t forecast to be windy so I didn’t think I’d need them (I’ve recorded at that location quite a few times.)
@@AnthonyToglife Still a very helpful video. Glad ZI found this channel.
The only thing cumbersome about taking off nd filters is when they get stuck
At some point one will have an experience with a stuck filter, lol.
At least you don't say Um. Your arms are huge dude. Been lifting a lot of 200 F2's I guess.
Hahaha, can definitely get a workout with the 200 f/2 lol. I appreciate you watching!
you need hss when you shoot actions, sports - nd filters not good for this
Well, you typically don’t use flash when shooting sports, but if you’re referring to fast movement in general, not necessarily. The flash can freeze action just the same (if not better) than shutter speed, as flash durations are shorter than even the max shutter speed (depending on power). If there’s movement in the background as well, then yes, HSS would be the better choice.
@@AnthonyToglife I shoot beach volleyball competitions. I have special permission for shooting with flash (if players do not mind). I can say exactly - ND gives you not so good result. Yep, you need HSS snd high power (ad600 or more powerful)
You just ruined the video not because of the wind noise, but because those annoying red popup signs every 10 second, along with that high pitch bell. I could not concentrate in what you said. Stopped watching, NO LIKE
@Sammy Tolomeo that’s fair. I appreciate the feedback. I likely wouldn’t do something like that in a video these days but I can’t change old videos so it is what it is. Thanks for commenting.
Great video, mate!
Thank you so much @vladibarraza!