Nice match up! Those Buicks really were a classy, well built car. A high school buddy had a 70 GS while I had a 68 SS 396 Chevelle. His Buick was far more solid and refined in every way.
@@1badhaircut Yes, they were definitely more expensive! I think that's one of the reasons it was such a mind-bender: Buick was considered a luxury car that was rarely in the performance circle!
*Badger Bait* Oh i know,the Chevelle and the Skylark GS were GM's fastest best built cars for reinforcement!! Chevy and Buick's were GM's most reliable cars!!
Stage 1's were still formidable in '71...even with the lower compression smog motor....Barracuda had the steeper gearing and lighter weight, along with the higher comp 440...nice race! Gotta love both of these classics!
Those 440s were really 9.4:1 the only true 10.0 440 came in 67 as an hp with a closed chamber head. Then again with the 69 1/2 440 six pack @ 10.25:1 & they were rated at 10.5:1, over the course of the last 30 year's I've had atleast 100 of mopar big blocks & I've never found a dead on advertised compression. Hell it got really bad when in the 73 up to 79 they were rated between 8 & 8.5 when they're really in the low to mid 7s those blocks are really good stroker candidates, heavier mains in the 400s then any 426 hemi, 440, 383, 413, 426 wedge. Then in 75 the 440 got big main webs, so they went a little ass backwards. Sorry for rambling buddy.
same engine as a 68=69 new Yorker motor,except cam and manifolds,its just the most powerful wedge ever designed,put the hemi out of your mind and read all of the advancements made on the wedge b rb engine from 1962 forward,its amazing ,even the hemi in the beginning ,it was up to weight to decide the race
@@79tazman You will have to have the main bearing journals turned down to fit the low deck 400 block because they use a smaller crank bearing compared to the 440 . Just built one last year January that is using a steel 413 crank Eagle H beam rods with Diamond Forged pistons all balanced & all of the fasteners are ARP including ARP head studs . The heads are stock cast iron 906 but have been opened up for the 181-214 intake & exhaust valves with the bowls blended back with a 3 angle valve job & bronze valve guides & port gasket matched on both sides & aluminum Roller rockers that are 1:6 ratio to try & work the heads more with the extra added lift the 1:6 gives but had to order custom 3/8th pushrods after checking the valve train with a pushrod checker to get the correct length made which I believe were made by Moroso if I remember correctly from Summit racing . The cam is a old first design Direct Connection Purple shaft 292 duration 509 lift hydraulic flat tappet & the intake is a Weind team G single plane high rise with a Demon 750 double pump a melling high volume oil pump with a Mopar performance windage tray & some big tube headers & it made 500 hp at 4,400 RPMs & 538 ft lbs of torque at 4,200 RPMs on pump gas 92 octane bought at the local Holiday gas station . Ignition is a MSD with a 7 AL box . It's a strong bottom end package that should hold 1000 hp & it's much lighter than the factory stuff so these engine rev quick & hard like a small block but produce big block hp & torque with relatively not much money for a Chrysler engine plus with the low deck B block they are a little smaller in size so these fit in A body cars nicer & makes working one a little easier . Was trying to get my buddy to spend the money on a modern camshaft & some good aluminum heads but there wasn't enough money in the budget to do it because of also building a 69 Plymouth Road Runner for the engine to go into which is now off of the rotisserie painted & a first wet sand & buff but the engine trans & drive train are in as well as the suspension done up with poly graphite bushings & stainless 3 inch exhaust with 2 chamber welded race mufflers . Still a ways to go yet though but it sure has been a lot of fun for the last 3 years of working on it .
@@strattuner The Hemi was for years the engine to have for drag racing a Mopar because for years there were no real good cylinder heads out aftermarket for the Wedge except the max wedge heads which were hard to find & with the huge intake runners they weren't the best on the street because at low RPMs the port velocity is slow so that makes for a peaky engine where it makes its power up high which isn't good on the street so most opted for the Hemi because there was much more development for them compared to the Wedge . Wedge technology though has improved much over the last 20 years as far as cylinder heads available & some are making as much power & more than the Hemi on pump gas but are far cheaper to build than the Hemi being Mopar performance quit making the Hemi blocks although the catalog says they have them they don't because they sold the castings to Indy performance who also has the Indy Cylinder heads program & I think Keith Black is the only other one that is still making the 426 Hemi blocks so all that Hemi stuff is getting more rare & super expensive to buy now so the way to go for big cheap Mopar power is the wedge based engine or even a stroked big inch small block that revs quick & hard .
No matter who ends up winning. The guy with the Cuda could done a lot better if he wasnt sucking HOT under-hood air into the Carb. The plenum under the windshield was an ideal place to draw cool air .Thanks for the tip Smokey Yunick and Junior Johnson!
This video was really special for me. Growing up, I was an absolute devotee to the Buick Grand Sport. One of my best friends had a original 69 Cuda 440. We were absolutely Untouchable in the street racing proud with our cars. Though to be honest, every time we went somewhere together, it was always in my Buick because well, air conditioning, power steering, power brakes, power windows, nice stereo, and comfortable seats. Thanks for sharing :-)
I remember reading a magazine article about a 440 cuda in which the original owner bought it brand new in 1971. The guy got a great deal because no one wanted to buy it. His main purpose for wanting the 440 was to tow his boat! Crazy!
Daily..drags, etc..Mopars got 'er done. i recall a story in a car magazine, yrs ago. a dude owned a towing company and ofc his wrecker was down for repairs when a school bus needed a tow! What to do? He pulled the bus..with his 273 powered Dart!
Woo Hoo! Finally got to see that 440 ‘cuda that’s been lurking around in the background of some of your videos lol. Sticker price and weight with driver, about a dollar a pound. I’ll take it!
Please somebody hold my knees down, that was pure stock at it's finest. Great video. OH and one more thing,cars and zebras, making America great again.
Thanks That's some good racing. You know these guys know it's gonna be close when they redlight trying for that little edge. I knew that Cuda was going to have major traction issues. Buick is heavy but I think weight is transferred better on those cars which " might?" make it bite better. Both are torque monsters for sure.
Definitely. Two of the biggest torque monsters of that era. The 71 455 Stage 1 didn't have quite the power of the 1970 version because of the compression drop down into the 8's but they were still a great performer. All those Buick engines made a lot of low end torque...the 400, 425, 430, and 455. The 401 Nailhead too
@@jeremythompson9122 In high school a buddy of mine dropped a 430 Buick into a 63 Chevy Impala (Odd combo right?) That thing would haul for a large car. I had a 67 Fairlane with a not stock 390 if he got out on me I couldn't catch him. He was dragging people's asses all the time cause the old car was rough looking. True to life sleeper. Good times.
I worked at that track that summer, but the Pure Stock weekend is run by an organization that leases the track. I was there as a spectator, which was a nice change from running the lanes. I met and talked with the 'Cuda owner. Very nice guy, took the time to explain how a 440 'Cuda was ordered: the car was delivered to the dealership with a 383. The 440 came in a crate with the car, and the dealership did the engine swap.
To clarify, all 'cuda440s were built in three batches on the Hamtramck assembly lines as 383cuda spec, including the engine code on the fender tag. A M in the Vin indicated the special order v8, which for cudas meant 440. The engine was installed on separate line, and all were done in the factory. The cars were offered to dealers that were more performance oriented. For example, Johnson Motors in Vancouver, BC, Canada received 5. Mine is one of them.
Goodnight C & Z, Just woke up. It's freezing cold winter morning. As soon as I saw the notification I knew this is going to be a great day. Made breakfast & sat down whilst eating breakfast at 430 am to watch what I have been waiting for for at least 6 months & you didn't disappoint. Your best video upto date hands down, I feel like you made this one for me thank you. I am a Mopar guy through & through & I voted hands down for the Cuda, what a pocket rocket even with those skinny rear tyres. The side show comedy had me laugh I had coffee go through my nose, it hurts but it is pleasurable pain. With everything going on in the world this was a pleasurable distraction. Loved it all, great way to start the day with a M Code Cuda, & beautiful body painted 60's chick's for added flavor. Take care of yourself & THANK YOU ☺ Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
the background song on the barracuda commercial was called 'sunday will never be the same' sang by spanky and our gang in 1967 which is my aunt's favorite song, it went like: ♪I REMEMBER SUNDAY MORNING, I WOULD MEET HIM AT THE PARK, WE'D WALK TOGETHER HAND IN HAND TIL IT WAS ALMOST DARK NOW I WAKE SUNDAY MORNING WALK ACROSS THE WAY TO FIND NOBODY WAITING FOR ME SUNDAY'S JUST ANOTHER DAY SUNDAY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME, IVE LOST MY SUNDAY SONG, HE'LL NOT BE BACK AGAIN ♪ there, just wanted to sing :b
In 1984, I bought a 1966 Fastback Mustang 4 speed GT, with a white ball Hurst shifter. It was all original except for the 650 Holly carb, and 390 rear gears.. My mom financed it for me because I had a job, and made payments on it. I didn't think I'd ever pay it off making $2.25 an hour at the time. I was only 20 years old. It was burgundy with black interior, fold down rear seat, fog lamps, had the trumpet valance exiting rear exhaust, and was in mint condition. I bought it from a man who owned 4, and was just making room in his garage. I paid $5500. dollars for it, which was pretty expensive at that time, but the car looked like it rolled off the showroom floor. My cousin loved foreign cars at the time, until he rode in mine, then wanted a muscle car. His dad owned a used car lot, and told him he wanted one. A few weeks later he came driving up to my house with a 1971 Red convertible Stage 1 Buick GS 455. It was completely stock with white interior, original Buick chrome wheels, and had the automatic transmission. I was blown away, but still didn't realize what he really had at the time. I think they only produced 81 that year. Fast forward to 1992, he graduated from college as an engineer, and started making good money, and he wanted a boat. He sold the all original GS for 5 grand that year. I begged him to keep it, but I couldn't afford it. So 1999 rolls around, and muscle cars started sky rocketing. We still talk about how stupid and uneducated we were, for both of us selling our muscle cars. I had a guy that kept throwing more and more money at me for my GT, which I eventually caved, and let it go in 1987 for 6,850 dollars. Stupid, I know. I remember watching it drive away and thinking, I just made a huge mistake that I bet I'm later gonna regret bad. Which I was dead right. I still wish I could go back and have bought my cousins GS though, but I had no idea that these cars would one day become the Holy Grail of Buick lovers. If I knew then what I know now,, I would have found a way to get that car. Oh to have a time machine. Anyone else have regrets letting the good one get away?
should we get the driver of the 'cuda a pillow? Cuz both times he seemed asleep at the wheel when the green light dropped. Either that, or wheel spin at the line must have been horrible. I know, a 440 in an A body, I'm a Mopar guy, I understand that.
Yeah..tippy toes for a bit, then lean into it! With proper shoes, she wudda been gone. Still a fabulous race and too cool to see..unless you're tuned in to C&Z!!
the traction problem was it's Achilles heel. If the cuda still had the stock exhaust manifolds the drivers side was so restrictive it was rated at 5 hp less then any other magnum 440 engine. Rumor has it that M coded A body cars had the manifolds thrown out for headers the first month of buying the car. It is easier to install a 426 hemi then the 440 due to how the exhaust exits the engine and if you have aluminum heads and intake on the hemi you are a few ctreeping up to small block weigh in numbers. That cuda should have relocated battery to the trunk and installed a pinion snubber, still would be stock and would help in the traction department. Cheater slicks and loose the points for electronic ignition from Chrysler so it would still be stock.
@@jamesbetts3371 right on..it (exaust mani) wasn't that big of a deal. the other end of things was restrictive, as well in the form of not enough CFM coming in. A stock/moderate hopped up 340/360 wants an 850 CFM..a 440 then obvo needs more yet. AFB's and AVS's were fine carbs, just too small for max perf. The RPM & CI formula ppl ram down our throats..blah blah..An engine needs to be able to suck CFM in FAST! Right now, not a second or two later. Sure..you can redline a BB with only 400 CFM..but the mill doesn't like it. We can fill a 5 gal pail with a 1" hose faster than we can with a 1/2 hose, all else being equal, after all. An engine is an air pump..why strangle it?
There's no way the Cubs could have lost unless race was thrown! Wonder how much they were paid to lose! One of my brothers had a '70cuda 440 supercommando 4 speed pushing 456hp out of showroom which ran a 130mph quater in 11 seconds!!!
I had a 69 and a half Firebird with a 350ci with 10.5 compression ratio, turbo 400 transmission, 550 cm 2 barrel carb, 3.88 gears, limited slip differential, power steering, A.C., cruise control, 160 mi. per hr speedometer, AM FM flip panel radio, with an aftermarket Delco 8 track. The car would do 128mph starve for fuel. Drop down to 118 get its breath and jump back to 128mph all day long without taxing the engine. Pushed 235HP. With a stock 4brrl manifold and a 750 dbl pump 4brl carb the HP ratio would increase to 335HP. Fun car to drive.
I've got a '71 Buick GranSport Stage 1 awaiting restoration. It's unique in that it's a 4 SPEED...most were automatics. I've never had it running, but in the interim I've checked out most every magazine's E.T.'s for this car. Frankly, I think the Buick in this video isn't entirely stock. From what I can gather....in '71 with the compression drop to 8:5 - 1, with the tires that the car was born with, most run at 14:30's - 14:40's at @ 100mph. I mean....those are times for a BOX STOCK '71 GS Stage1. The beauty is.....there is so much more to be had once you start doing little mods to the motor....little stuff, I don't mean taking the heads off and getting in there with a new cam, etc. Buicks are so frickkin' bad ass. Subtle bad-assery.
I knew those GS was quick, but damn that thing is impressive for such a heavy, luxurious car. If I were back in the day, and wanted the baddest car on the block, it definitely would be the Buick
Never realized how much nicer and comfy the buicks (olds pontiac) were than the Chevelles. Had I back then Id have built one. What a daily that would be tons of torque, quiet power everything ac to boot.
WOW, that Buick was QUICK of the line but the Cuba was able to run em' down. To bad it came down to a foul light battle. WANT MORE CONTENT PLEASE, CAN'T GET ENOUGH CARS AND ZEBRAS!
@@CarsAndZebras All of the POB line were torque monsters. My father had a 72 catalina wagon (the grand safari) with a 455 pumping out a whopping 210 hp but still had 450 ft.lbs torque. I would take it down the interstate at 110 and just cruising at less than 3k RPM
Yep, 455 Bufords were monsters off the line. Any of the 455 versions were beasts. I put a 455 Pontiac in a 79 TA with a 4 speed, thing was a beast. My parents had a 70 Electra 225 Buick with a 455. Not super fast being a land yacht but would smoke the rear tires at will. Loved driving that thing when I was 16!
Buick won 😞 I am ashamed of myself. From this day forward I will be known as Oscar the Loser who thought a '69 oh yeah 😎 Barracuda could beat a '71 GS 455 😞
@@CarsAndZebras Hey I wanted to ask you about your 4-Runner. How is it and are you gonna make a video of it soon? I'm getting myself a 2019 4-Runner Premium and I'm super excited about it!
Dad told me he only lost one Race in his 69' 440 Cuda', he thought it was a HEMI ROADRUNNER. The guy would raise the Hood! Beep Beep I had a built '71 383 Cuda' & a friend with two Roadrunners.
My 1st car was in '74, a '70, GS 455 STAGE 1,4SPD, Limited slip w/a 3.42:1. My dad bought it from the 1st owner. To get A/C ,3.42:1 was the highest numerical ratio. A 1970 Stage 1, auto/stick would have made the GS the obvious winner.
@@electrichellion5946 in 1978 STUPID ME traded the G.S. for a new 25th anniversary CORVETTE. To this day I regretted that. The Vette was not as comfortable, safe, gr8 long distance traveler, etc. I, barely got $900 for it. That was my 1st experience with GMAC .both the dealer & the financial institution kicked me where the sun don't shine. I began missing the G.S. on trips ,drive ins,etc. Live & learn. By the way, dad wasn't a happy camper either. He was a BUICK LOYALIST, traded his Riviera GS every 2/3years. Now, Buicks only survive bc of china. Not the Buicks of yesteryear. I still wonder what happened to the GS. I was told it sold in less than a week in the used car lot @ Chevy.
@@enerrivers4392 You and I and your father and mine had a lot in common. My dad too was a Buick guy and had LeSabre's in the early 60's, Wildcats in the mid and late 60's and then 3 Riv's until he got his first Caddy in 78. I had a 70 GSX Stage 1 Auto in Saturn Yellow that I bought for $2300 in 1971 from the original owner with 18K miles. I sold it in 75 with 84K miles to buy a new Datsun 280Z 4-spd. I sold the GSX for $2250, $50 less than I paid for it 4 years earlier with 66K more miles on it. When the guy came to pick it up I asked what his plans were for the GSX and he said, "it's going up on blocks in a barn". He was much smarter than me and I wish I would've never sold it. I do wonder if that car is still around today.
The 1969 'Cuda 440... $25K adjusted for inflation. Anyone looked at the prices on the new Challengers, Chargers, Camaros and Mustangs? What happened to the working class, blue-collar affordable musclecars?
A friend in HS had a 70 stage 1 with a 4speed. I mean to tell you that thing was quick with plenty of grunt. I think a stock 426 would be a close race but my money is on that Buick!
Watch a video on TH-cam called Muscle Car of the Week: 10 Quickest Cars of 1970. The Stage 1 was the quickest car tested by Motor Trend but other magazines got quicker times out of a few Hemi Mopars and an LS6 Chevelle. The Buick was like the 4th or 5th quickest overall. A 4 speed Hemi Cuda with 3.55 gears took the top spot with a time of 13.10. Actually it was tied for first with a Hemi Challenger and an LS6 Chevelle took 2nd followed by a Hemi Roadrunner. Then the Buick. A lot of those magazine test cars were ringers though. Some of them were massaged a bit by the factory to perform better than a bone stock model and therefore sell more cars. They probably advanced the timing and did some other minor upgrades that weren't obvious to spot by the magazine's they were sent to. People like Jim Wangers from Pontiac have admitted that over the years
yeah John i got to be in some of the best stage 2 cars every built,even seen the jones&benisek 1of 3stage2 car built by factory.still have those pictures today.iv seen stage 2 cars up to 1000 HP turning 10,000 rpm with 800 ft pounds torque. cars running 9.90 at 155.iv seen sleek stage 2 with 400hp low comp cars with 4.88 gears milld cam and still run low 12.1970 winter nationals buick was disqualified because stage 2 to much hp than they allowed at the time.they didn't want buick to have credit even stage 2 parts were available especially in Michigan up in flint or over the counter at the dealership.
all the mid size cars battling it out in the 13's. Cool. '68 Barracuda and Dart Super Stock Hemi cars ran 10's off the trailer :D dual 4 bbl carbs on a Crossram intake, crazy big cam, 600ish HP. Booyaa.
i own 4 Formula S Barracuda's, 2 68's and 2 69's all 4 speeds. the two 68's are 340's and one 69 is a 383 and the other is a M-Code 440 4 speed (i installed) Cuda. the M-Code 69 Cuda's were the equal to the 69 427 Yenko Camaro's back in the day. all my cars are driven as muscle cars and not babied. they are very entertaining and just a lot of "fun."
I seem to remember my Stage 1 used to have heat soak issues (late 80's), and liked to break EVERYTHING that was attached to it. Although my teenaged right foot and love of tire smoke MAY have had Something to do with it😏😎
Yup, to own and actually drive these old cars youve gotta commit to doing a fair amount of work...things sure happen with old cars. My last nightmare was trying to figure out why I was bending clutch forks on Pontiac 4 speed, and had transmission out / in THREE times ....%^&*((((((*&$%!
@@tracewallace23 Character building...hehe, then last year I tore a rib putting a TH400 in my 74 Buick GS 455..Good times as well! Glutton for punishment I guess..
I ran into a guy the other day at the car wash driving a 71 GS Stage 1 convertible. I started bullshitting with him and he said only 81 GS Stage 1 droptops were built in 71 and only 7 were made in the light green color that his was. He said the name of the color but I forget what It was. Awesome machine. But I'm a Mopar guy so I'm still taking that 69 440 Cuda
Mopar guy!! LMAO!!! TH-cam LSx Challenger. TH-cam LS RAM. TH-cam LS Duster. TH-cam LS Magnum. TH-cam LS Dakota. TH-cam LS swapped Challenger... NOPAR!!!!
@@moparnut6286 TH-cam Nelson racing LS explained. TH-cam LS Lamborghini TH-cam LS Ferrari. TH-cam why the LS is so good TH-cam lsx Challenger. TH-cam LS RAM TH-cam Wrangler JK LS. Why not a hemi?!?! oh yeah 16 spark plugs, shity fuel, economy under sized oil return veins and they plug easily so oil oil can't get to the pump and it screws up the engine!! yeah you got to be proud!!! So why is the LS and Chevrolet's LT the number one swapped in Jeeps????
440 super commando and 440 6bl were both optional engines. Yes you could spec them with a 4spd manual. Kinda pointless when you got a trans as great as a torqueflite available.
There is a video out on youtube here showing a stage 1 against a Hemi & the Hemi beat it 2 times out of 3 & they were hot lapping because the Buick guy though the Hemi would get hot so he could beat him so they hot lapped & he lost at the Buick drivers consent to hot lap & the other guy agreeing . The Buick is a torque monster but lacks the high rpm capability of the Hemi as well as the high rpm capability of the Hemi heads . You never seen any 455 stage1 Buicks in the Super stock drags of the days because they had nothing that could stay with the factory BO29 Hemi fast back Barracudas or the Hemi Dart & even Chevrolet's Yenko's couldn't beat them or the Ford 428 super cobra jet Mustangs that tried to take them down but lost when the nationals came up to guys like Sox & Marin & others who raced those factory light weight Mopars . These cars have their own class to run in even today with most being in the 8 second & faster times running a factory race Hemi with either a manual or a built 727 with no power adders such as nitrous or turbos & definitely no trans brakes for the auto cars like so many use now & were way ahead of their times . This is also why I like watching & going to the drags because you still see a huge assortment of cars racing each other in the different classes where if you go to the stock car dirt track races or Nascar or I should say Crapcar now they all look the same & only have the 3 makes in Crapcar & mostly just 2 in the dirt tracks with the occasional Mopar guy out racing against the Chevrolet and Ford guys who is usually at a disadvantage in ways just like the Mopar truck pullers have as well in those classes . The truck pulling guys cheat like no tomorrow because I know a guy who does it & he does a lot of stuff to his engines internally that makes huge hp & last year he built a big block chevy for his daughters pulling truck that's supposed to run in the stock class & the damn engine made 700 hp on the Dyno lol yeah that's stock alright lol . The thing is they don't do tear down inspections on the engines if a guy wins a lot like they do in drag racing or in the claimer stock cars where if a guy is constantly winning they either do a tear down inspection to make sure it's within specs or in the claimer class if the guy wins too much the guy contesting it gets to use the winners engine so that's also why the parts to build a claimer engine are so cheap compared to other classes where top dollar is paid for the best parts available .
@@peteloomis8456 Why are you comparing pure stock with super stock? I have seen HEMI Cudas that ran mid 15s in showroom stock condition. I remember a HEMI Belvedere that couldn’t do any better than 14.30 which is what a tubby Stage One with low compression was capable of doing all day long.
@@timsharpe3498 Truth!! So many love to tell stories about some magic time that never happened. Most muscle back then were 14s out of the showroom. Capable of more but still..
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Dave needs some Christmas tree work if he wants a future in PS draggin. Very rare cuda indeed I recall when they came out and I wanted one. No power steering and a nose heavy beast. Stage 1’s were very hot rides as well.
I was never a fan of Chrysler's big blocks in the A-body cars. Different story in the B- and E- bodies. The 340 was much better balanced and could be made just as fast plus you could get power steering and brakes plus AC.
I agree totally. I'd rather have a 340 in an A body or even an E body. The big blocks really hurt the handling of the smaller cars and made them too nose heavy. But in a B-Body I'll definitely take the 383, 440, or Hemi. Better weight transfer in the bigger cars. I always thought Ford should've used the Torino/Cyclone platform to homologate the BOSS 429. It definitely would've been a better balanced package than the BOSS9 Mustang was
true back then, but now with aluminum heads & intake, you would have a 440 at an all iron SB weight & i am sure pop on PS and ofc some nice TTI stainless headers..AC, nah! lol. ofc i live in Wisc.
Agree, owning both. Of course the 440 was simply offered to the public to homologate the motor for stock class drag racing. The hemi was legalized of course in 68 for the A-bodies
@@tomj4406 And you can do that to a 340 or 360 too. It's not just the weight of the big block its also the physical size. The engine bay just wasn't designed to house a big block. Can it be done ,of course but it's not a happy marriage.
problem with that 'cuda is it won't leave the line as good because of poor weight distribution. they literally put there biggest engine in their smallest car. other than that, it's a great car. It would probably be a better roll racer. id love to see it roll race a 6.4 challenger or charger scatpack. that would be interesting
Those 72-73 340 Dusters and Demons were really fast even for a low compression 340. Probably because they were so lightweight. I had a 73 Duster 340-4 speed. I loved That car and I wish I never sold it. Same with my 69 Roadrunner 383/727 automatic
I'm a bit surprised how the Big Block Plymouth performed at the tail end of the races compared to what i usually when matched against a GM big block car. Usually the Mopars get the hole shot, and the Big Block GM car gain hard at the end. Wonder if the light weight was working against it or the driver was afraid of breaking the car loose. Both are sweet rides. My neighbor worked at the Chrysler Proving Grounds and has a 68 Barracuda 383.
You do realize I don’t choose the ads, right? In fact, TH-cam uses targeted ads, so for some reason they think that you are very interested in Joe Biden and that’s why you saw it.... maybe you should stop googling him all the time 🤣
@@tomj4406 - yeah dumbass, and then C&Z loses all his revenue and stops making videos because you can’t wait five seconds to hit the skip button. You get to watch these videos for free. The least you could do is wait five seconds.
My dad has a 71 buick but it's a convertible with stage 2 or 3. I wonder how quick that'll be because it has 500hp with 515 ft.lbs of torque. But, dont tell me the weight, I'm scared to see it.
ok we owned and restored a factory 383 4 brl 1969 it had a dana locker rear 724 r trans the ram air was real with controls in the cab .. a few other things stick out to me. this seems like a standard 318 car did up to look like the big block model..
3500 lbs is hardly light. That's as much as a '61 Ford Galaxy Starliner I had back then. My '63 Sting Ray on the scales at the track was 3050lbs & my '66 race ready was 2700lbs. So that Cuda was a boat with that 440.
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Hey everyone, TH-cam is no longer allowing the polls integrated into the video, so from here on out you will have to comment who you think will win!
Mopar needs to make an affordable bad ass again. I don't consider 300 hp v6 bad ass either.
What a bunch of bs.
Korie Creson Would love to see them have a fun smaller car again.
I'll give em a poll ,lemme whip it out.
Owned an 85 Shelby Charger. Dodge needs to revisit that. It was the funniest car I have ever owned
Now that was a close race! Thumb up for both cars!
Yeah. Much more exciting than one car winning all the time
@@Moparmaga-1 Barrykooda romped on the Buick..Those Chrysler products were some runnin car's!.
Watched this with my 75 yo brother in law, and 22yo nephew. Our discussion on who would win was almost as fun as the race. Good stuff here.
That’s what makes it interesting! 👍😎
lol i bet it was.....keep rockin and racing:::::
Nice match up! Those Buicks really were a classy, well built car. A high school buddy had a 70 GS while I had a 68 SS 396 Chevelle. His Buick was far more solid and refined in every way.
I’ve been trying to find a ‘70 or ‘71 Stage 1. I’m sure they would be a great daily driver!
And 25% more expensive. $100 then was like $1,000 now. My 340 Duster cost $ 2,740 which was a great value.
@@1badhaircut Yes, they were definitely more expensive! I think that's one of the reasons it was such a mind-bender: Buick was considered a luxury car that was rarely in the performance circle!
*Badger Bait* Oh i know,the Chevelle and the Skylark GS were GM's fastest best built cars for reinforcement!! Chevy and Buick's were GM's most reliable cars!!
Stage 1's were still formidable in '71...even with the lower compression smog motor....Barracuda had the steeper gearing and lighter weight, along with the higher comp 440...nice race! Gotta love both of these classics!
Those 440s were really 9.4:1 the only true 10.0 440 came in 67 as an hp with a closed chamber head. Then again with the 69 1/2 440 six pack @ 10.25:1 & they were rated at 10.5:1, over the course of the last 30 year's I've had atleast 100 of mopar big blocks & I've never found a dead on advertised compression.
Hell it got really bad when in the 73 up to 79 they were rated between 8 & 8.5 when they're really in the low to mid 7s those blocks are really good stroker candidates, heavier mains in the 400s then any 426 hemi, 440, 383, 413, 426 wedge.
Then in 75 the 440 got big main webs, so they went a little ass backwards. Sorry for rambling buddy.
@@Moparmaga-1 Yeah I want to build a stroker use the 400 block with the 440 crank and rods with aftermarket pistons and build a 451
same engine as a 68=69 new Yorker motor,except cam and manifolds,its just the most powerful wedge ever designed,put the hemi out of your mind and read all of the advancements made on the wedge b rb engine from 1962 forward,its amazing ,even the hemi in the beginning ,it was up to weight to decide the race
@@79tazman You will have to have the main bearing journals turned down to fit the low deck 400 block because they use a smaller crank bearing compared to the 440 . Just built one last year January that is using a steel 413 crank Eagle H beam rods with Diamond Forged pistons all balanced & all of the fasteners are ARP including ARP head studs . The heads are stock cast iron 906 but have been opened up for the 181-214 intake & exhaust valves with the bowls blended back with a 3 angle valve job & bronze valve guides & port gasket matched on both sides & aluminum Roller rockers that are 1:6 ratio to try & work the heads more with the extra added lift the 1:6 gives but had to order custom 3/8th pushrods after checking the valve train with a pushrod checker to get the correct length made which I believe were made by Moroso if I remember correctly from Summit racing . The cam is a old first design Direct Connection Purple shaft 292 duration 509 lift hydraulic flat tappet & the intake is a Weind team G single plane high rise with a Demon 750 double pump a melling high volume oil pump with a Mopar performance windage tray & some big tube headers & it made 500 hp at 4,400 RPMs & 538 ft lbs of torque at 4,200 RPMs on pump gas 92 octane bought at the local Holiday gas station . Ignition is a MSD with a 7 AL box . It's a strong bottom end package that should hold 1000 hp & it's much lighter than the factory stuff so these engine rev quick & hard like a small block but produce big block hp & torque with relatively not much money for a Chrysler engine plus with the low deck B block they are a little smaller in size so these fit in A body cars nicer & makes working one a little easier . Was trying to get my buddy to spend the money on a modern camshaft & some good aluminum heads but there wasn't enough money in the budget to do it because of also building a 69 Plymouth Road Runner for the engine to go into which is now off of the rotisserie painted & a first wet sand & buff but the engine trans & drive train are in as well as the suspension done up with poly graphite bushings & stainless 3 inch exhaust with 2 chamber welded race mufflers . Still a ways to go yet though but it sure has been a lot of fun for the last 3 years of working on it .
@@strattuner The Hemi was for years the engine to have for drag racing a Mopar because for years there were no real good cylinder heads out aftermarket for the Wedge except the max wedge heads which were hard to find & with the huge intake runners they weren't the best on the street because at low RPMs the port velocity is slow so that makes for a peaky engine where it makes its power up high which isn't good on the street so most opted for the Hemi because there was much more development for them compared to the Wedge . Wedge technology though has improved much over the last 20 years as far as cylinder heads available & some are making as much power & more than the Hemi on pump gas but are far cheaper to build than the Hemi being Mopar performance quit making the Hemi blocks although the catalog says they have them they don't because they sold the castings to Indy performance who also has the Indy Cylinder heads program & I think Keith Black is the only other one that is still making the 426 Hemi blocks so all that Hemi stuff is getting more rare & super expensive to buy now so the way to go for big cheap Mopar power is the wedge based engine or even a stroked big inch small block that revs quick & hard .
No matter who ends up winning. The guy with the Cuda could done a lot better if he wasnt sucking HOT under-hood air into the Carb. The plenum under the windshield was an ideal place to draw cool air .Thanks for the tip Smokey Yunick and Junior Johnson!
Absolutely gorgeous Frost Green Metallic 'Cuda 440! I love it!
The metallic green car 🚗 looked more like a '67chevelle!
This video was really special for me. Growing up, I was an absolute devotee to the Buick Grand Sport. One of my best friends had a original 69 Cuda 440. We were absolutely Untouchable in the street racing proud with our cars. Though to be honest, every time we went somewhere together, it was always in my Buick because well, air conditioning, power steering, power brakes, power windows, nice stereo, and comfortable seats. Thanks for sharing :-)
I remember reading a magazine article about a 440 cuda in which the original owner bought it brand new in 1971. The guy got a great deal because no one wanted to buy it. His main purpose for wanting the 440 was to tow his boat! Crazy!
Wish I had a tow vehicle like that
Daily..drags, etc..Mopars got 'er done.
i recall a story in a car magazine, yrs ago. a dude owned a towing company and ofc his wrecker was down for repairs when a school bus needed a tow!
What to do? He pulled the bus..with his 273 powered Dart!
Then there was the carpenter with a real live dodge daytona. The roof was all dented up... I read about it around 1980.
@@Moparmaga-1 Hmm, cuda been! lol. likely, love that 'ol magazine.
That north lane _always_ seems to be faster in these Mid-Michigan videos.
Woo Hoo! Finally got to see that 440 ‘cuda that’s been lurking around in the background of some of your videos lol. Sticker price and weight with driver, about a dollar a pound. I’ll take it!
It’s a very interesting car. hopefully it’ll be out again this year!
Please somebody hold my knees down, that was pure stock at it's finest. Great video. OH and one more thing,cars and zebras, making America great again.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks That's some good racing. You know these guys know it's gonna be close when they redlight trying for that little edge. I knew that Cuda was going to have major traction issues. Buick is heavy but I think weight is transferred better on those cars which " might?" make it bite better. Both are torque monsters for sure.
Definitely. Two of the biggest torque monsters of that era. The 71 455 Stage 1 didn't have quite the power of the 1970 version because of the compression drop down into the 8's but they were still a great performer. All those Buick engines made a lot of low end torque...the 400, 425, 430, and 455. The 401 Nailhead too
@@jeremythompson9122 In high school a buddy of mine dropped a 430 Buick into a 63 Chevy Impala (Odd combo right?) That thing would haul for a large car. I had a 67 Fairlane with a not stock 390 if he got out on me I couldn't catch him. He was dragging people's asses all the time cause the old car was rough looking. True to life sleeper. Good times.
I worked at that track that summer, but the Pure Stock weekend is run by an organization that leases the track. I was there as a spectator, which was a nice change from running the lanes. I met and talked with the 'Cuda owner. Very nice guy, took the time to explain how a 440 'Cuda was ordered: the car was delivered to the dealership with a 383. The 440 came in a crate with the car, and the dealership did the engine swap.
To clarify, all 'cuda440s were built in three batches on the Hamtramck assembly lines as 383cuda spec, including the engine code on the fender tag. A M in the Vin indicated the special order v8, which for cudas meant 440. The engine was installed on separate line, and all were done in the factory.
The cars were offered to dealers that were more performance oriented. For example, Johnson Motors in Vancouver, BC, Canada received 5. Mine is one of them.
These videos are put together well, and the humor is priceless!
What a well matched race!
Very true 👍
Goodnight C & Z,
Just woke up. It's freezing cold winter morning. As soon as I saw the notification I knew this is going to be a great day. Made breakfast & sat down whilst eating breakfast at 430 am to watch what I have been waiting for for at least 6 months & you didn't disappoint.
Your best video upto date hands down, I feel like you made this one for me thank you.
I am a Mopar guy through & through & I voted hands down for the Cuda, what a pocket rocket even with those skinny rear tyres.
The side show comedy had me laugh I had coffee go through my nose, it hurts but it is pleasurable pain.
With everything going on in the world this was a pleasurable distraction.
Loved it all, great way to start the day with a M Code Cuda, & beautiful body painted 60's chick's for added flavor.
Take care of yourself & THANK YOU ☺
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
Enjoy the winter! Glad we’re in the summer now here!
Yeah it’s bloody freezing here in Melbourne. I love them Mopars as well.
Cheers😊
@@francfurian8215
Hey Franc
You know what they say,
" Mopar or No Car " or
" I know I am going to hell in a Mopar "
Your funniest video yet.🤣🤣🤣 I laughed my ass off.
Cuda with 375hp @ 4600rpm. Just think of the horsepower that engine makes at 6500 RPM. Underrating horsepower was a big thing back in those days.
Those stage 1 Buicks were no joke back in the day
the background song on the barracuda commercial was called 'sunday will never be the same' sang by spanky and our gang in 1967 which is my aunt's favorite song, it went like:
♪I REMEMBER SUNDAY MORNING, I WOULD MEET HIM AT THE PARK, WE'D WALK TOGETHER HAND IN HAND TIL IT WAS ALMOST DARK
NOW I WAKE SUNDAY MORNING WALK ACROSS THE WAY TO FIND NOBODY WAITING FOR ME SUNDAY'S JUST ANOTHER DAY
SUNDAY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME, IVE LOST MY SUNDAY SONG, HE'LL NOT BE BACK AGAIN ♪ there, just wanted to sing :b
My neighbor has the 440-6 in his ‘69 super-bee and I have the Stage-1 in 455 ‘72 GS…. I have yet to beat him from a roll.
In 1984, I bought a 1966 Fastback Mustang 4 speed GT, with a white ball Hurst shifter. It was all original except for the 650 Holly carb, and 390 rear gears.. My mom financed it for me because I had a job, and made payments on it. I didn't think I'd ever pay it off making $2.25 an hour at the time. I was only 20 years old. It was burgundy with black interior, fold down rear seat, fog lamps, had the trumpet valance exiting rear exhaust, and was in mint condition. I bought it from a man who owned 4, and was just making room in his garage. I paid $5500. dollars for it, which was pretty expensive at that time, but the car looked like it rolled off the showroom floor. My cousin loved foreign cars at the time, until he rode in mine, then wanted a muscle car. His dad owned a used car lot, and told him he wanted one. A few weeks later he came driving up to my house with a 1971 Red convertible Stage 1 Buick GS 455. It was completely stock with white interior, original Buick chrome wheels, and had the automatic transmission. I was blown away, but still didn't realize what he really had at the time. I think they only produced 81 that year. Fast forward to 1992, he graduated from college as an engineer, and started making good money, and he wanted a boat. He sold the all original GS for 5 grand that year. I begged him to keep it, but I couldn't afford it. So 1999 rolls around, and muscle cars started sky rocketing. We still talk about how stupid and uneducated we were, for both of us selling our muscle cars. I had a guy that kept throwing more and more money at me for my GT, which I eventually caved, and let it go in 1987 for 6,850 dollars. Stupid, I know. I remember watching it drive away and thinking, I just made a huge mistake that I bet I'm later gonna regret bad. Which I was dead right. I still wish I could go back and have bought my cousins GS though, but I had no idea that these cars would one day become the Holy Grail of Buick lovers. If I knew then what I know now,, I would have found a way to get that car. Oh to have a time machine. Anyone else have regrets letting the good one get away?
I really love ur videos thank u
thanks for watching!
should we get the driver of the 'cuda a pillow? Cuz both times he seemed asleep at the wheel when the green light dropped. Either that, or wheel spin at the line must have been horrible. I know, a 440 in an A body, I'm a Mopar guy, I understand that.
Close race. Tough to get that ‘Cuda off the line
Very tough with those tires
Yeah..tippy toes for a bit, then lean into it! With proper shoes, she wudda been gone.
Still a fabulous race and too cool to see..unless you're tuned in to C&Z!!
the traction problem was it's Achilles heel. If the cuda still had the stock exhaust manifolds the drivers side was so restrictive it was rated at 5 hp less then any other magnum 440 engine. Rumor has it that M coded A body cars had the manifolds thrown out for headers the first month of buying the car. It is easier to install a 426 hemi then the 440 due to how the exhaust exits the engine and if you have aluminum heads and intake on the hemi you are a few ctreeping up to small block weigh in numbers. That cuda should have relocated battery to the trunk and installed a pinion snubber, still would be stock and would help in the traction department. Cheater slicks and loose the points for electronic ignition from Chrysler so it would still be stock.
@@jamesbetts3371 right on..it (exaust mani) wasn't that big of a deal. the other end of things was restrictive, as well in the form of not enough CFM coming in. A stock/moderate hopped up 340/360 wants an 850 CFM..a 440 then obvo needs more yet. AFB's and AVS's were fine carbs, just too small for max perf. The RPM & CI formula ppl ram down our throats..blah blah..An engine needs to be able to suck CFM in FAST! Right now, not a second or two later. Sure..you can redline a BB with only 400 CFM..but the mill doesn't like it. We can fill a 5 gal pail with a 1" hose faster than we can with a 1/2 hose, all else being equal, after all. An engine is an air pump..why strangle it?
@@tomj4406 Those 340s did not need an 850 thats way overcarbed
I like the Stage 1 Buick 455.
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if you are from ill i think i know you...i have bunch of buicks..in nw burbs..
I don't remember giving you Memorial Day off?? Kidding of course. Probably your best video yet! Thanks for making these!
I thought about putting a video up last week, but honestly, the rate of views are always terrible during a holiday week
@@CarsAndZebras This channel is the only reason I ever type youtube.com
Those A body Cuba’s were known for their restrictive exhaust manifolds.
Two very impressive cars, looks like the left lane gave them both issues. Sure would love to see one of these events.👍💪
For some reason the left lane is usually an issue every year. This year’s Pure Stock race is again in September
@@CarsAndZebras have them scrape all of the rubber off and start over..muahaha.
& yeah, where is this at again? Thnx C&Z!
This one really surprised me. That Buick has had more than one person fooled over the years...
yeah, i thought the mopar would take 2 out of 3
There's no way the Cubs could have lost unless race was thrown! Wonder how much they were paid to lose! One of my brothers had a '70cuda 440 supercommando 4 speed pushing 456hp out of showroom which ran a 130mph quater in 11 seconds!!!
@@kevinmcduffie3285 the stage 1 has beaten the 426 hemi too,
@@kevinmcduffie3285 You think the cuda was paid to lose? come on ...
That story about your brothers cuda is bs too
You can tell these cars are stock but well driven and set up properly. I love these videos
They aren’t stock it’s just a class name.
I had a 69 and a half Firebird with a 350ci with 10.5 compression ratio, turbo 400 transmission, 550 cm 2 barrel carb, 3.88 gears, limited slip differential, power steering, A.C., cruise control, 160 mi. per hr speedometer, AM FM flip panel radio, with an aftermarket Delco 8 track. The car would do 128mph starve for fuel. Drop down to 118 get its breath and jump back to 128mph all day long without taxing the engine. Pushed 235HP. With a stock 4brrl manifold and a 750 dbl pump 4brl carb the HP ratio would increase to 335HP. Fun car to drive.
I've got a '71 Buick GranSport Stage 1 awaiting restoration. It's unique in that it's a 4 SPEED...most were automatics. I've never had it running, but in the interim I've checked out most every magazine's E.T.'s for this car. Frankly, I think the Buick in this video isn't entirely stock. From what I can gather....in '71 with the compression drop to 8:5 - 1, with the tires that the car was born with, most run at 14:30's - 14:40's at @ 100mph. I mean....those are times for a BOX STOCK '71 GS Stage1. The beauty is.....there is so much more to be had once you start doing little mods to the motor....little stuff, I don't mean taking the heads off and getting in there with a new cam, etc. Buicks are so frickkin' bad ass. Subtle bad-assery.
I believe Pure Stock rules allow planing heads/blocks to raise compression ratio up to 1.5 points. That would put that 455 at 10:1. Yee-ha!
Outstanding commentary
M-Code 440 CUDA...should be able to win but having owned a 70 Stage 1 GS 4spd. known as the Hemi Killer, you cannot discount them.
there is no hemi killer.! not in the qrt anyways
Very nice video there’s nothing more beautiful than a Mopar
I love this channel. I would love to see a LOT more videos. But give the Ford and Mercury makes a little love too.
The guy in the Cuda needs to learn how to Drive it
those Buick 455 's are unbelievable how does it have less power 500 lbs heavier and its still just beating the cuda with 3.91 gears compared to 3.42 ?
Simple. Did you see the tires on the'Cuda? With 3.91s and those tires there is no way he could holeshot, major traction issue.
I knew those GS was quick, but damn that thing is impressive for such a heavy, luxurious car. If I were back in the day, and wanted the baddest car on the block, it definitely would be the Buick
Never realized how much nicer and comfy the buicks (olds pontiac) were than the Chevelles. Had I back then Id have built one. What a daily that would be tons of torque, quiet power everything ac to boot.
Know I should pick the Cuda but I am partial to the Buick GS, they were awesome cars
WOW, that Buick was QUICK of the line but the Cuba was able to run em' down. To bad it came down to a foul light battle. WANT MORE CONTENT PLEASE, CAN'T GET ENOUGH CARS AND ZEBRAS!
Pretty typical story for a Buick 455... Quick off the line, but you better hold on to that lead after mid track! 👍
@@CarsAndZebras All of the POB line were torque monsters. My father had a 72 catalina wagon (the grand safari) with a 455 pumping out a whopping 210 hp but still had 450 ft.lbs torque. I would take it down the interstate at 110 and just cruising at less than 3k RPM
Yep, 455 Bufords were monsters off the line. Any of the 455 versions were beasts. I put a 455 Pontiac in a 79 TA with a 4 speed, thing was a beast. My parents had a 70 Electra 225 Buick with a 455. Not super fast being a land yacht but would smoke the rear tires at will. Loved driving that thing when I was 16!
I'm just curious who pics the matchups for the race as they seem to always be pretty close?
if it’s a best of three race, it’s the event organizers. They take all of the time trial data and pair of the closest cars based on their ETs
I'm voting for the Cuda 😎
Buick won 😞 I am ashamed of myself. From this day forward I will be known as Oscar the Loser who thought a '69 oh yeah 😎 Barracuda could beat a '71 GS 455 😞
at least you tried!
@@CarsAndZebras Hey I wanted to ask you about your 4-Runner. How is it and are you gonna make a video of it soon? I'm getting myself a 2019 4-Runner Premium and I'm super excited about it!
@@oscarcantu2642 his tires weren't up to it. No big..he'll get 'em, next time.
Dad told me he only lost one Race in his 69' 440 Cuda', he thought it was a HEMI ROADRUNNER. The guy would raise the Hood! Beep Beep I had a built '71 383 Cuda' & a friend with two Roadrunners.
My 1st car was in '74, a '70, GS 455 STAGE 1,4SPD, Limited slip w/a
3.42:1. My dad bought it from the 1st owner. To get A/C ,3.42:1 was the highest numerical ratio. A 1970 Stage 1, auto/stick would have made the GS the obvious winner.
You gotta be kidding? A: Cool Dad B: Did you total it? C: Holy crap!!
What happened to the car? You keep it? Sell it? Know if it is still on the road somewhere?
@@electrichellion5946 in 1978 STUPID ME traded the G.S. for a new 25th anniversary CORVETTE. To this day I regretted that. The Vette was not as comfortable, safe, gr8 long distance traveler, etc. I, barely got $900 for it. That was my 1st experience with
GMAC .both the dealer & the financial institution kicked me where the sun don't shine. I began missing the G.S. on trips ,drive ins,etc. Live & learn. By the way, dad wasn't a happy camper either. He was a BUICK LOYALIST, traded his Riviera GS every 2/3years. Now, Buicks only survive bc of china. Not the Buicks of yesteryear. I still wonder what happened to the GS. I was told it sold in less than a week in the used car lot @ Chevy.
@@enerrivers4392 You and I and your father and mine had a lot in common. My dad too was a Buick guy and had LeSabre's in the early 60's, Wildcats in the mid and late 60's and then 3 Riv's until he got his first Caddy in 78. I had a 70 GSX Stage 1 Auto in Saturn Yellow that I bought for $2300 in 1971 from the original owner with 18K miles. I sold it in 75 with 84K miles to buy a new Datsun 280Z 4-spd. I sold the GSX for $2250, $50 less than I paid for it 4 years earlier with 66K more miles on it. When the guy came to pick it up I asked what his plans were for the GSX and he said, "it's going up on blocks in a barn". He was much smarter than me and I wish I would've never sold it. I do wonder if that car is still around today.
The 1969 'Cuda 440... $25K adjusted for inflation. Anyone looked at the prices on the new Challengers, Chargers, Camaros and Mustangs? What happened to the working class, blue-collar affordable musclecars?
I hear ya!! They have been priced double what they should for many yrs
No fn way Im paying over 25k for any toy new or used. Just not worth it
The 70 GS Stage 2 was quicker than the 70 426 Hemi and that’s another argument among gear heads.
A friend in HS had a 70 stage 1 with a 4speed. I mean to tell you that thing was quick with plenty of grunt. I think a stock 426 would be a close race but my money is on that Buick!
Watch a video on TH-cam called Muscle Car of the Week: 10 Quickest Cars of 1970. The Stage 1 was the quickest car tested by Motor Trend but other magazines got quicker times out of a few Hemi Mopars and an LS6 Chevelle. The Buick was like the 4th or 5th quickest overall. A 4 speed Hemi Cuda with 3.55 gears took the top spot with a time of 13.10. Actually it was tied for first with a Hemi Challenger and an LS6 Chevelle took 2nd followed by a Hemi Roadrunner. Then the Buick. A lot of those magazine test cars were ringers though. Some of them were massaged a bit by the factory to perform better than a bone stock model and therefore sell more cars. They probably advanced the timing and did some other minor upgrades that weren't obvious to spot by the magazine's they were sent to. People like Jim Wangers from Pontiac have admitted that over the years
yeah John i got to be in some of the best stage 2 cars every built,even seen the jones&benisek 1of 3stage2 car built by factory.still have those pictures today.iv seen stage 2 cars up to 1000 HP turning 10,000 rpm with 800 ft pounds torque. cars running 9.90 at 155.iv seen sleek stage 2 with 400hp low comp cars with 4.88 gears milld cam and still run low 12.1970 winter nationals buick was disqualified because stage 2 to much hp than they allowed at the time.they didn't want buick to have credit even stage 2 parts were available especially in Michigan up in flint or over the counter at the dealership.
@@edstewart445 that's too cool. I've never seen a Stage 2. Heard of them but never did see one.
all the mid size cars battling it out in the 13's. Cool.
'68 Barracuda and Dart Super Stock Hemi cars ran 10's off the trailer :D
dual 4 bbl carbs on a Crossram intake, crazy big cam, 600ish HP. Booyaa.
Excellent. Thanks
Great video I like the Buick.
I love these.....
Thanks for watching!
add the dana and they put the a 833 4 speed
Would have to pick the Buick in this race.
That makes 2 losers.
The 440 in the "M" code Barracuda had a SERIOUSLY restricted drivers side exhaust manifold.
what are u doing, 71 was the first year for low compression, along with other emission equip
i own 4 Formula S Barracuda's, 2 68's and 2 69's all 4 speeds. the two 68's are 340's and one 69 is a 383 and the other is a M-Code 440 4 speed (i installed) Cuda. the M-Code 69 Cuda's were the equal to the 69 427 Yenko Camaro's back in the day. all my cars are driven as muscle cars and not babied. they are very entertaining and just a lot of "fun."
I seem to remember my Stage 1 used to have heat soak issues (late 80's), and liked to break EVERYTHING that was attached to it. Although my teenaged right foot and love of tire smoke MAY have had Something to do with it😏😎
Yup, to own and actually drive these old cars youve gotta commit to doing a fair amount of work...things sure happen with old cars. My last nightmare was trying to figure out why I was bending clutch forks on Pontiac 4 speed, and had transmission out / in THREE times ....%^&*((((((*&$%!
@@gt-37guy6 oooouuuuccchhhhh. Well, at least you got really good at the R&R🤔🙂
@@tracewallace23 Character building...hehe, then last year I tore a rib putting a TH400 in my 74 Buick GS 455..Good times as well! Glutton for punishment I guess..
@@gt-37guy6 ouch. Rib injuries SUCK.
I always say "blood, sweat cussing or tears. Some cars need one some need more" 🤕
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Love these videos please, more, more,more,...
I ran into a guy the other day at the car wash driving a 71 GS Stage 1 convertible. I started bullshitting with him and he said only 81 GS Stage 1 droptops were built in 71 and only 7 were made in the light green color that his was. He said the name of the color but I forget what It was. Awesome machine. But I'm a Mopar guy so I'm still taking that 69 440 Cuda
Mopar guy!! LMAO!!!
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@@philllsxga.7737 That's because LS is like an asshole everybody has one! Keepem in your GMs where they belong.
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Why not a hemi?!?!
oh yeah 16 spark plugs, shity fuel, economy under sized oil return veins and they plug easily so oil oil can't get to the pump and it screws up the engine!! yeah you got to be proud!!!
So why is the LS and Chevrolet's LT the number one swapped in Jeeps????
Like the Buick. But vids is a power house in a diet 😂 so was fun to see them run.
That girl had more air time than the car!!!
I woulda done some dirty things with her ,if she woulda let me 😂
@@MrTheHillfolk she still might. Probably 70-75 years old now
I was there! I was the artist that got to paint on her thighs!
ahaha, jk. I was 3 yrs old..I doubt i wudda done a good job..or appreciated it :p
Love them mopars 👍
Did the 1970 cudas come in manual with the 440
440 super commando and 440 6bl were both optional engines. Yes you could spec them with a 4spd manual. Kinda pointless when you got a trans as great as a torqueflite available.
Why not the Hemi-killer 1970 Stage1 ?.....and 600 lbs heavier. 70 Stage1 .8 sec. faster
There is a video out on youtube here showing a stage 1 against a Hemi & the Hemi beat it 2 times out of 3 & they were hot lapping because the Buick guy though the Hemi would get hot so he could beat him so they hot lapped & he lost at the Buick drivers consent to hot lap & the other guy agreeing . The Buick is a torque monster but lacks the high rpm capability of the Hemi as well as the high rpm capability of the Hemi heads . You never seen any 455 stage1 Buicks in the Super stock drags of the days because they had nothing that could stay with the factory BO29 Hemi fast back Barracudas or the Hemi Dart & even Chevrolet's Yenko's couldn't beat them or the Ford 428 super cobra jet Mustangs that tried to take them down but lost when the nationals came up to guys like Sox & Marin & others who raced those factory light weight Mopars . These cars have their own class to run in even today with most being in the 8 second & faster times running a factory race Hemi with either a manual or a built 727 with no power adders such as nitrous or turbos & definitely no trans brakes for the auto cars like so many use now & were way ahead of their times . This is also why I like watching & going to the drags because you still see a huge assortment of cars racing each other in the different classes where if you go to the stock car dirt track races or Nascar or I should say Crapcar now they all look the same & only have the 3 makes in Crapcar & mostly just 2 in the dirt tracks with the occasional Mopar guy out racing against the Chevrolet and Ford guys who is usually at a disadvantage in ways just like the Mopar truck pullers have as well in those classes . The truck pulling guys cheat like no tomorrow because I know a guy who does it & he does a lot of stuff to his engines internally that makes huge hp & last year he built a big block chevy for his daughters pulling truck that's supposed to run in the stock class & the damn engine made 700 hp on the Dyno lol yeah that's stock alright lol . The thing is they don't do tear down inspections on the engines if a guy wins a lot like they do in drag racing or in the claimer stock cars where if a guy is constantly winning they either do a tear down inspection to make sure it's within specs or in the claimer class if the guy wins too much the guy contesting it gets to use the winners engine so that's also why the parts to build a claimer engine are so cheap compared to other classes where top dollar is paid for the best parts available .
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Why are you comparing pure stock with super stock? I have seen HEMI Cudas that ran mid 15s in showroom stock condition. I remember a HEMI Belvedere that couldn’t do any better than 14.30 which is what a tubby Stage One with low compression was capable of doing all day long.
@@timsharpe3498 Truth!! So many love to tell stories about some magic time that never happened. Most muscle back then were 14s out of the showroom. Capable of more but still..
Finally , cars that are really stock.
Stage 1 I think depending on rear end ratio.
That fight scene at 1:50 was brutal
From the movie ROADHOUSE
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👍👍VERRRRY well matched.
Dave needs some Christmas tree work if he wants a future in PS draggin. Very rare cuda indeed I recall when they came out and I wanted one. No power steering and a nose heavy beast. Stage 1’s were very hot rides as well.
I was never a fan of Chrysler's big blocks in the A-body cars. Different story in the B- and E- bodies. The 340 was much better balanced and could be made just as fast plus you could get power steering and brakes plus AC.
I agree totally. I'd rather have a 340 in an A body or even an E body. The big blocks really hurt the handling of the smaller cars and made them too nose heavy. But in a B-Body I'll definitely take the 383, 440, or Hemi. Better weight transfer in the bigger cars. I always thought Ford should've used the Torino/Cyclone platform to homologate the BOSS 429. It definitely would've been a better balanced package than the BOSS9 Mustang was
@@jeremythompson9122 I had a 69 340 swinger and a friend had a 68 GTS I almost always beat him by about a car length
true back then, but now with aluminum heads & intake, you would have a 440 at an all iron SB weight & i am sure pop on PS and ofc some nice TTI stainless headers..AC, nah! lol. ofc i live in Wisc.
Agree, owning both. Of course the 440 was simply offered to the public to homologate the motor for stock class drag racing. The hemi was legalized of course in 68 for the A-bodies
@@tomj4406 And you can do that to a 340 or 360 too. It's not just the weight of the big block its also the physical size. The engine bay just wasn't designed to house a big block. Can it be done ,of course but it's not a happy marriage.
problem with that 'cuda is it won't leave the line as good because of poor weight distribution. they literally put there biggest engine in their smallest car. other than that, it's a great car. It would probably be a better roll racer. id love to see it roll race a 6.4 challenger or charger scatpack. that would be interesting
I blew past a 455 442 in Indiana! With my '71 Cuda' 383 years ago.
I had a 69 Cuda 340-S in same color. Fold down back seat, with drop down hatch into the trunk. Auto on column with bench seat. Zonk, no posi.
Nice, the 440 had no fold down seat mechanism available.
1:48 Movie?
NOW THESE ARE STOCK NUMBERS
Roadhouse
@@bloodybones63 ahaha, the episode where he kicks about every one in town! lmbo
Just a note the newer mustangs,camaros and challengers are getting pretty plump compared to the old ones.
BOTH VERY IMPRESSIVE BUT WTF !!! THE
72 DUSTER 340 WAS HITTING 12 SECOND QUARTERS
Those 72-73 340 Dusters and Demons were really fast even for a low compression 340. Probably because they were so lightweight. I had a 73 Duster 340-4 speed. I loved That car and I wish I never sold it. Same with my 69 Roadrunner 383/727 automatic
That low compression ‘72 Duster was far from stock.
Duster likely more beefed.
the 'cuda here was hampered by show tires, needed go tires.
@@Lucille69caddy 472 mopar ?
Driver makes a HUGE difference and I don't think this cuda driver was that great.
The 1969 and 1970 455's had the highest hp and torque.
Nope.
The differences on the track looks like it comes down to the drivers and not the cars.
With that much power & torque I'd be happy to let the torqueflite do the shifting !!
Nice runs by both cars. I've noticed you are good with details. Do you recall if this was a dry or humid day? I'm guessing dry with good barometer.
I'm a bit surprised how the Big Block Plymouth performed at the tail end of the races compared to what i usually when matched against a GM big block car. Usually the Mopars get the hole shot, and the Big Block GM car gain hard at the end. Wonder if the light weight was working against it or the driver was afraid of breaking the car loose. Both are sweet rides. My neighbor worked at the Chrysler Proving Grounds and has a 68 Barracuda 383.
A12s M codes we're doing exactly that 12s out of the BOX ON THE STRIP...
Not only did the "Cuda red light on the last race, but the Buick seemed to be snoozing.
Very interesting match
Did I miss the part where you said how much the Buick cost ?
Please drop the Biden ad. I won't watch with him as part of the video.
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that exact title.
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I second that 👍🏼
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My dad has a 71 buick but it's a convertible with stage 2 or 3. I wonder how quick that'll be because it has 500hp with 515 ft.lbs of torque. But, dont tell me the weight, I'm scared to see it.
Both really nice cars
Buick for the win !!
Buick??
B.utt
U.gly
I.nbred
C.hinese
K.id.
Wait was that Steve Carrel busting a deuce in a trash can?
Buick gs
Yeah!!!!! Buick all the way, every day!
Too bad they didn't use a 1970 buick
Cuda has a really restrictive exhaust manifold on the drivers side.
yup..someone knows their Mopar history!
that & those more for show tires kept her from walkin' away from the Buick..probs more the tires, lol.
Not as bad as the one on the 67-69 383 cars
the 383 cost 20 $ more then the 440 ??
ok we owned and restored a factory 383 4 brl 1969 it had a dana locker rear 724 r trans the ram air was real with controls in the cab .. a few other things stick out to me. this seems like a standard 318 car did up to look like the big block model..
69 scoops were later used as optional on 73 Dart Sports, along with the hood. In all cases they are pot metal with no provision to be opened for air
I'm getting the vibe that left lane is an issue ..
See 3 pass heat soak was setting in on Buick getting slower
3500 lbs is hardly light. That's as much as a '61 Ford Galaxy Starliner I had back then. My '63 Sting Ray on the scales at the track was 3050lbs & my '66 race ready was 2700lbs.
So that Cuda was a boat with that 440.