1969 Road Runner vs 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31 - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE (Best of 3)
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- 1969 Plymouth Road Runner 440 6 barrel A12 VS 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass W31 (Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race)
The first car is a 1969 Plymouth Road Runner A12. The Road Runner A12 isn't just a cool lift-off hood and a big 440 6 pack, there's a lot more to that car! Of course, that's all outlined in the video. I totally dig it. The other car is a little lesser known, probably because of the low production numbers and small-block engine. Don't let that discourage you, because that small block is a known giant killer! We're talking about the 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S W-31. I'll be honest, I didn't know much about these cars prior to seeing them at the Pure Stocks, but they are nasty! I'd love to find one for myself. What's even sweeter about the featured car is the special order color of, "Powder Blue," which was typically only optioned on the Toronado. Neat. Love that blue interior as well.
Remember, both of these cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so check them out on fb and their website. Here are their rules:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster then 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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At 7:02 it is supposed to say, “autonomous car FTW.” For some reason during the upload process it cut the message. Maybe TH-cam will fix it at some point.
Nah ,they won't.
I sent a pic with added text on messenger to a buddy, it was all upside down 😂
At least some of its there 🤣
@@MrTheHillfolk - 🤣
Olds, Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac, GMC, and Cadillac are all owed by General Motors there’s really nothing that sets the cars apart other than different badges
@@davidbowman3487 BS, BUICK RULES ~~
This is a very gorgeous car
My stepfather owned a 1969 Hurst Old mobile that he bought off the showroom floor. vented hood with hood pins, 350 BOSS with Hurst automatic. Silver metal flake with black rally striped hood and trunk lid.
I remember it running an 1/8 in 7:00 flat, STOCK. With pump gas (leaded at the time) in my 52 years I've never seen a more bad assed car.
I bought a ‘70 W-31 in 1979 for $600 because the starter needed brushes. The owner was pissed because he couldn’t figure out why it started fine when cool but not once it warmed up. ( The moral of the story is you learn a lot about cars when you drive clunkers. ) lol
I owned a 70 w-31..4 spd..4.33 gears..shifted at 6800 rpm.. absolutely the one I should have kept..street raced it in nc..tenn and south Miami
Black with white strips on the ram- air hood..white interior
440-6 vs 350 Olds and even then floated a valve. They both ran way hard
I would love to see an sd 421 in a cat or a tempest !
Poor baby olds... I'm praying for her
WOW !...13.2 @106mph ? Fantastic time for the Olds ! At the local strip, back in ‘68, ‘69 the prepped W-31’s were running mid to high 12’s in NHRA’S F stock classes. The ‘68-‘69 W-30’s with the long stroke 400’s sat in D & E stock. In 1968 the Berejick W-30 442 held the record et. for it’s class @ 12.3 but more racers opted for the high reving W-31, which coupled with the lower stock class, gave it an edge where wins were concerned. In 1970 the 442 got the 455, which resulted in et.’s in the mid 11’s. The 442 was bumped from D/E stock down to F-stock, while the W-31 went to G-stock. Oldsmobiles were super competitive in the stock classes back then...Sunday afternoons at the strip, watching cars I’d see driving around town, burning the quarter mile ! I myself raced a stock Duster 340....14.5’s @ 97mph...right out of the box, with a 3.23 posi rear-end and torqueflight 3 speed automatic. Fantastic little car, but after a ride in a 1970 W-31....big respect for the Cutlass !
Agreed 👍
I just watched a matchup on the C&Z page that pitted a 70 340 Demon 4 spd against a ‘65 L78 Corvette. The Demon seemed to own the lowly solid lifter, big valve 396 and consistently (ahem) did something low 13’s. My head was spinning. Your 14.5 was QUICK and quite representative of what I remember too. The revisionist history of these races is silly. It was what it was and it is what it is.
@@MrBluzhoundI seen that race also, my brother had a 72 Plymouth Cuda and our cousin wanted to race him with his 70 SS 396 Chevelle the Cuda 340 beat the Chevelle 396, the 340 was called a giant killer.
Dad always on about a 340 Duster for cheap horsepower potential
Anytime a roadrunner is running I love watching, when I was a kid my older brother had a 68 roadrunner with the 383 & as a kid & as a grown-up now that was a cool car.
Wow. Very cool, both cars. Thanks
I give these guys a lot of credit for bringing these cars out and running them. Takes a lot of guts to run these cars as they are worth a shit ton of $$$.
2-3 years ago a guy blew the engine on his ‘70 hemi cuda... think about that loss
@@CarsAndZebras ok I did, now what?
THERE'S A GUY RUNNING A 69 ZL1 CAMARO WORTH AROUND $600,000.00
That's what they were made for. Not doing smokey burnouts in cars like this, is the real crime!
I'm a Mopar guy, but that W31 needs to be respected!!
Glad you prefaced that comment with your personal brand loyalty Ryan. It's important to know what type of guy you are before we can consider respecting anything.
Mopar guy as well... That Olds could run.
LA Beast reference was top tier 👌🏽😂
I had a 1969 w-31 I drove to high school. It was burgundy with white stripes on hood, white vinyl top, 4 speed with 3:90 gears,white bucket seat interior with no console. I knew the car was special but didn’t know the actual production numbers until it was long gone. Sure wish I’d kept it.
I had a 71 SX w/455 on high school. Until my friend drove it off the side of a mountain and almost killed all of us. Bought a 71 350 4sd 3.73 posi from the original owner for $125. It was pretty beat in 1992. Had 200k on it and had been both of his daughters first car. I got another 2 years of driving out of it. It could still bark 2nd gear with 200k
Wow, i didn't think many other people knew about Dirty Honey (talking about the intro song).
I’m a MOPAR guy, but that Oldsmobile has nothing to be ashamed of.
13.21 is damn fast!
Pontiac did a similar package available on the Lemans. A 350HO putting out 330HP and 380 lbs of torque all under 5100rpm but it that motor still made power to 6500 and stayed together. It was a 350 with a Ram Air 3 top end on it. And by the way there were no small or big block Olds or Pontiac engines just small or big cubic inches, same block intake and heads fit all..
My 69 Lemans had the 350HO a Muncie 4spd and a 4.10 gear and ran the quarter in the low 14s in the mid 90mph range. Seems GM was putting out sleepers in all makes in 69
Brings back memories my very first car cutlass supreme in 1977 I paid $800 for it. It had the rocket 350 with the turbo 350 trans. For what it was it really got it .
and the base car,F85 post was much lighter;much quicker.
I’m a big olds fan. Had a few. Always great cars. But I have to say that blue is hideous
Both awesome cars
cool car tums upp for the oldsmobile and the roadrunner bep bep
I've got a 1970 Cutlass Supreme in that color. Now I know the name of it!
the beep-beep machine was one fine ride, too bad they aren't made today
At 5:18 Ironically enough that's the pickup line uncles from Alabama use to hit on their nieces... You don't wanna know the one their fathers use... I live one state over so you hear things, scary disturbing things... ;- )
I was in the service in 1969 bought a brand new Oldsmobile 442 w30 black on black with a 4-speed man I wish I had that car today
The Rocket was a sweet motor it had a heavy cam sound owned two 350s and 455 Hurst.glory days. 👍
My father had a '67 Olds Cutlass W30 for about two months - before a drunk driver rear-ended him. He never got the opportunity to hit the drag strip with it, but I remember him hammering through the gears on the street and having a big grin on his face the whole while. I recall helping him removing the gold colored 400CID engine and M21 transmission after the accident and thinking how cool it was that the engine was gold, like it was a rare piece of precious metal - which it ended up being. Always thought that Olds was the sharpest car on the road, at the time.
Olds had some great designs, especially in the late 60s. I almost bought a 69 442 a couple months back but the price was a little too high.
What did he do with the mother and transmission?
Friggin spell check
@@maximumcoverage5591 but soooooooo Cars and Zebras.
He put that mother and transmission in another roller and made pies and cookies!
That 400 was the best 442 platform, period. Olds effed up inn68 with a corporate 400 that was a DOG by comparison. The 65.5-67 400 was a 4.00x3.975” perfect screamer platform.
The W-31 engine was hand built by Olds.
This is pure bullshit, a more fair match up would have been a 335 Hp Road Runner, the Olds would have spanked one of those!, that it hung as well as it did with a 440 six pack is really something!
Roadrunner makes an a oviously smashing beep beep!! 🚗💨 on those 2 Rounds, poor Oldsmobile, a Chrysler 440 vs a GM 350 isn't a quite fair competition but , giving credit to the 350 it did a good effort.
A W30 455 would give the Roadrunner a run for it's money.
Who remembers those Dr. Olds ads?
I DO LES, I DO! You for one, have a great memory!
60s Oldsmobiles were best n mid-range and topend racing. That little small block did a magnificent job. If i was the RR 440/390 hp guy, I'd hideout for several months.
Thought I did see a puff of smoke out of the Oldsmobile at the end of the second run. Cool car though
5:1 rear gear option? Holy smokes, Batman!!
Numerically, the highest ratio I've ever heard of as a factory option. 👍
BTW, you confused numerically with high/low ratio in one of your vids. ICR, which tho.
The only mistake that I've noticed. Great job! 1 point off for that and 1 point off for the flatulence. 98% not bad @ all 👍😀
The terms “high” or “low” weren’t even used when discussing rear gear ratios, so you get 1 point off for that comment.
@@CarsAndZebras bet?
@@CarsAndZebras it wasn't this vid. I just happened to remember it from another one.
Shout out to the LA beast! He’s such a legend. 😂😂😂
Man I've been binge watching these episodes the past few days since I found them. I really enjoy this class of stock racing, and seeing what some of these fabled cars will truly do on a drag strip. You definitely earned a sub.
Agreed 👍
Guy with the W31 is a. Really cool dude. We where pitted next to him some 10 years ago @ Byron dragway and I remember when it was being raced as a survivor car. The restoration on it is amazing. As a olds guy and die hard small block olds guy this car is one of my favorites.
The Road Runner A12 is invincible! One of the most bad-ass cars of all time! Perfect video!
Thanks for watching!
Absolutely, i had 2 lift off hood Super Bee's.
The 70 Buick gsx would beat the a12 and hemi invincible my ass
When I was a teenager there was a 69 W -- 31 four speed running around the neighborhood. I can still remember how wicked it sounded almost 40 years later.
Funny how we remember things like that. Oddly enough I still don’t remember my girlfriend’s birthday after 6 years together.
Cars And Zebras Don’t worry I bet she reminds you. 👍
Definitely can't blame any of these guys backing out from mechanical mayhem being avoided,especially preventable kinds they can diagnose before KABLOOEY!!!! I love these cars and videos and certainly don't want any demolished for anything!!! Thanks to you and the owners sharing their beloved baby's with us!!!!!
I worked at a restoration shop out of high school in 1990s and got to take a ride in a 1970 w-30 442 before tear down. That thing was a monster.
A monster that was 300# too heavy to be a Chevy.
Great video. The w31 really is one of the coolest cars ever. Only olds could make a factory small block that could keep up with a 6bbl big block!
4.33 rear gear really helped. 302 chev was also another nasty small block that would walk a big block at the strip. Needed a 4.11 minimum though
Put the MOPAR up against a 1970 Cutlass SX 455, and the results would have been much different ...
THAT IS ONE NASTY OLDS.....and Props to my mopars
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I am pretty sure I saw a Olds like this on . I remember the gold engine . A neighbor had got a Olds across the street and I just loved it . A garage under the house in back to keep it safe . Gold with the black stripes Wicked.
Two very cool cars, not a fair fight tho.
Should have matched up with a 340 Demon/Duster or a 442.
I had a 1970 cutlass s with a 350 , it was a real nice running car. like your channel.
What's with the dementia commercial about 5 minutes in?
Nothing but a rocket engine different cam had one in a 1972 delta
Many a big block Mopar got smoked,by small block GM's,at the strip and on the street.
I had a 69 oldsmobile delta 88 4 door. The blue bomber was an appropriate name. It had 455 2 brl. 490lb ft of torque. Luckily I was in high school and could change back tires in shop class for free because it would burn the tires off pretty easily. The 4 wheel drum brakes took some getting used to if you know what I mean. Fun beater with endless torque. The 400 trans took a terrible beating and just kept going.
Those 400 trans are nearly indestructible. Had them in everything from a 69 Chevelle SS396 to a late 70s full-time 4 wheel drive Wagoneer. Never had one problem.
@@CarsAndZebras I was going about 45 and passed a street that I was supposed to turn on (late at night no traffic) so I threw it in reverse and floored it (4 drum brakes were useless) and roasted the tires in reverse while slowing to stop. Car started backing up finally and when I backed up far enough (100 yards) I threw it in drive while still going backwards (about 20mph) and the tires started roasting forward while I was still rolling backward until they finally stopped the car and I was able to make the turn. Trans didnt miss a beat. I was young and dumb and beat the crap out of that car. I even took it off road and rammed through some snow banks many times. Did I mention I was young and dumb? Lol
@@tabbott429 - ok, I never quite did that with mine. 🤣
I can’t deal with anything Powder Blue! But with that said, 442’s and especially W machines and Hurst Olds were good runners. It would have been more interesting if the Olds was the big block W-30 which is more fair race vs the big ol 6 pack 440 RR.
I recall the Dr Oldsmobile W series campaign quite well. Believe it started in ‘68. Prior to ‘68 the W series cars were mostly sold to established drag racers and were quite rare. My favorite Olds 442 was the ‘66 W-30. Not many of those were made and very fast C/stock racers.
Well I have had 37 Olds n 1 time I had a 72 n 71 at the same time.
And I was by myself and couldn't figure out why I couldn't get the 71 to Start after Taking out the Distributor for the 100 the Time so when I finally got someone to help me I found out that the 72 went Clockwise n the 71 went Counter Clockwise
Should have been a 455 Oldsmobile Cutlass vs 440 Road Runner or at least a 400.
Had a 71 Cutlass 350 4bbl 4spd dual exhaust w/3:73 posi. It had a 6000 rpm redline. That thing would wind it out.
Why don't you feature the 375 horse 327 application s
Ahhh yes....Mid Michigan Motorplex.... I've blown up motors from the burn out box all the way out to the traps out there....horrible memories! LOL I started building 500" strokers for my 66 Coronet and learned a few small details the hard way. One, NEVER let a Chevy guy talk you into running a 5.13:1 rear gear ratio behind a big block mopar...especially not a stroker and really really never if you don't know that steel valve spring retainers will crank at 10,000 RPM. I blew that one up bad...almost wrecked the car but steered out of it. That was the only rendition that I ran carburated, and under 15.5:1 compression ratio. I picked up a new Enderle Mechanical Fuel Injection Bird Catcher, ran methanol and 15.5:1 from then on. Right after that I picked up my eighty something Dodge Omni bodied tube chassis car and ran in the low 9s. That darn car was light! I ended up doing 8.99 with it one time, went back, did some tuning and next pass, boom! Broke an axle! They were good Moser axles too. I stepped em up after that and still have the car. I'm going to blown hemi powered Duster bodied car this season. And I'll probably blow it up and Mid Michigan! LOL You gotta love drag racing!
Miss your videos with commentary, resorted to watching old ones. Hope all is well.
what song is in the intro? i cannot think of it for the life of me
I love how everyone says they put 100$ bill on the dash and if you could grab it was yours. My old 396 chevelle nothing stayed on the dash.shit was flying.
Had a 68 Olds Vista Cruiser Station Wagon. It was a beater in 79 but it had a Rocket 350 4 barrel. Sure wish I'd have kept.
Love those Vista Cruisers!
@@CarsAndZebras In early episodes of that 70s show. My favorite station wagon. Imagine one with a 455 and towing package. 12 bolt posi and TH400 with cooler. They exist.
@@jeffnorbert1871
The show that made those go out of sight on price.
The buick version was pretty slick too. The sport wagon I think it was
Mopars rule. I have a 66 Charger that is scary fast. I won't let anyone drive her. Goldiebeast.
Same physical cylinder block size as 455. They were small cubic inch. Not block. This is the same motor g m ran on diesel later on
Olds big block measured 14" between the heads, the small block was 12" if I recall correctly. Yes, the Olds small block looked like a big block compared to the Chev small block, but the 400, 425, and 455 were bigger, so the 350 was a small block.
All that is correct and a 350 olds diesel block, crank and rods were all physically heavier parts do to the need for them to be much stronger than a W31 engine block, crank and rods to survive as a diesel. So basically the diesel was the same as a W31 engine in cubic inches only although the parts will interchange and you could build a nitrous or turbo proof 350 olds engine by converting the diesel to a gas engine and if you built it right. W31 engine was smart marketing plan and performed very well. I would like to know what the compression ratio was on that particular W31 in the video since it performed so well and the rules allow you to raise it a little. I've never seen one with a better cam, headers an aluminum intake and a 700 dp Holley but all that with a 4 speed and slicks would seem like a stunning performer for a small block car that isn't a chevy.
@@malcolmborne - the difference was the deck height. Same was true with the MOPAR 440 vs. the 383, and the Ford 302 vs. the 351W. So is the Ford 351W now known as a big-block Ford?
As the owner of three Olds 442s, a "65, '66 and '69 (in the 60s), I feel qualified to say this shouldn't even have been a race. Super surprised by the performance of the Cutlass!
An Olds Rocket is an Olds Rocket. 350 or 455 were neither small nor big blocks, just an Olds. Same goes for Pontiacs and Buicks. The reason we have small and big block Chevys is because they were two completely different engine families from Chevy, one being physicly larger than the other.
That is not the same for Oldsmobile. They ARE two different sizes because the “big block“ has a taller deck height. That makes it around 1 inch taller and one and a half inches wider. And Oldsmobile even called it a “big block“ in their original advertisements. Not to mention all of the original car magazines like motor trend also called it a big block.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_V8_engine
The W 31 Vs a 383 Road Runner would have been a more even match IMO.. Only 10 HP difference...
Probably W 31s stock did about the same..
@@RoadRunnergarage8570 they did.couple magazines got mid 14's out of automatic ones.
300 pounds less , and those steep gears really made that thing move though, he wasn't too far behind.
Hope he didn't hurt it too bad
The Oldsmobile would have destroyed Roadrunner 383 it barely lost to the 4:40
I encountered a W31 convertible at our local track running 13.9's. It was a college kid who knew nothing, I asked to look at his motor, it was filthy. A friend had a '68 Camaro 396-375, ran 13.80's with Lakewood bars, later in life he paid $300 for a '67 Chevelle factory 4 speed car with a 350 LT-1 block, stock Z-28 cam, but 275 hp heads, cast manifold and a Q-jet (roundy-round racer repair to dump the car). It ran 13.50's all day long and killed on the street. Takes all kinds!
YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE THE CUTLASS LRT UP .... QUITE IMPRESSIVE FOR A
SMALL BLOCK ....
DID THESE 440 A12 HAVE A CAST IRON CRANK ?????
CONSIDERING I'VE SEEN L78 CHEVELLES RUN 13:30'S
Olds knew how to "Rocket" 🚀
Pretty cool car
A pun for the ages right there
lol... 😁 yeah, you might say I really liked Oldsmobiles... shame they went away... I was speaking to a zone rep friend of mine for GM & he said he saw a W-31 in a barn & I said I believe it!, very rare car!
rocketed the valve train....lol!
@@marioncobaretti2280 Good one... I preferred adjustable rockers... 😁
Remember: The 6-barrel set up on Plymouths was not called 6 pack. Only Dodge called that set up Six Pack.
Oh come on, everyone still calls them both six-packs, regardless of original naming.
The Angry Dragon
Non-purist!! Off with your head!!!!!!!
@@theangrydragon182 For casual conversation, I'm fine with it. But if a history lesson is given on a particular car, then I expect that someone would do their homework and get the details right.
@@bman99ss - It's a TH-cam video, so I'd expect people watching (like you) accept this free entertainment with a grain of salt and not be such a king douche. Let me guess... you have no real friends because you correct everyone you've come into contact with? Well, never mind. Most people like you don't realize they are so disliked.
@@theangrydragon182 Yes, it's free entertainment, so I would expect people watching (like you) to accept a mild (albeit accurate) critique with a grain of salt . . . especially when it's directed at someone else. By the way, it's been my experience that when individuals resort to name-calling, put-downs or insults, it's usually done so when there's a lack of meaningful substance to their argument. Just sayin' . . .
Jesus drove an Oldsmobile
Very respectable for a car with a 90 cubic inch disadvantage.. Those in the know have oldsmobiles. A 455 would of smoked it..
Anyone know what band is playing the intro song?
That Olds is definitely no slouch. Any time I see an old Olds I think about when I was little my dad had a 66 Delta 88. It had the 425 engine. He had taken it to a mechanic for a valve job if I remember correctly. And on the way home the transmission started not shifting right. He got mad figuring the trans was going out and just held it in the floor cussing trying to blow it up. It finally shifted or something at 90 and barked the tires real big. I know it was 90 because I was standing in the back looking at the spedo over his shoulder cause I'd never gone that fast. Turns out a line or linkage was off from the work. I always had more respect for the old boat after that trip.
Haha I always loved it when dad got a bug up his ass, and let the car have it !!!
Do it again Dad!!!!
You know what my dad drove when I was growing up? ‘91 Plymouth Acclaim... there was no going 90 mph in that car. I tell you what, though, that thing was great at requiring a front end alignment every week.
@@CarsAndZebras
Pops had his car T boned right in the driveway when I was a teen.
Whoo was he heated about the whole thing, cause the insurance always screwed you over.
Ever seen a Saab 900 turbo do reverse donuts on pavement and bash down dirt roads faster than any dirt bike ever could ?
We caught some good air a few times.
We had a fun time trying to blow the sucker up 😂
Great video , nothing beats Oldsmobile quality and rareness, I think everyone is sick of Camaros and Chevelle’s. Go W-Machines 🚀🚀🚀
Buick beats OLDS
You never get tired of a bad ass car!!!
@@fanoboss
Put a Cadillac motor in either for the win.
@@johntempest267 "MERICA. !!!!
Well... The Plymouth beat it twice.
Just saying.
Folks sleep on the W31.....that thing could rev to 6600 rpms with no ish.
Laughter.
Back in the day the W 31 Olds in pure Stock form was a sad joke.
It was bog slow.
My 65 327 375 hp Vdtte running 3.55 gears could blow the doors off one of these Olds. I did.
Twice. The engine didn't really like winding past 5000 it had oiling problems and the bottom end cwere weak compared to Chevrolet.
Not so with an A12 Roadrunner .for that I had to use my 67 427 435 hp Corvette.
And it was somewhat close usually I only had a car length or so.
The 350 Tu r Bo Hydro trans in the Olds unless built up wasn't able to take much punishment either unlike the 727 Torqeflite used in the Mopars.
Personally I stuck with Muncie 4 spds a M21 in the 65 injected Vette and a M22 in the 67 Corvette.
Never had trouble with either transmission. Of course an automatic was never an option in either my 375 hp fuelie or my 67 435hp Vette. You couldn't get AC either.
But who cared.
That W31 can really wind out quickly. Very impressive!
This is pure hotness.
Nothing better than laughing my ass off first thing on a Monday morning. Thanks C&Z!
Thanks for watching!
Dont kid yourselves folks, 440 prolly 496 and 350 prolly 402-408.
you should probably be more specific on what your numbers are referring to
@@CarsAndZebras cubic inches
@@GJ-DT - then no
No , these are purpose built engines , built to NHRA spec.
W 31 lost:;; It was the paint!!! It gulped a valve.
Every one is making such fuss about the olds and it is a nice ca…I’m a Ford guy through and through ( can you say cobra jet) among other things. If you know these cars from that era you knew the outcome from the start a w-30 would have stood a better chance. I remember and respect those 6bbl 440 roadrunners fast cars oh those were the days. By the way what’s not to love about cars and zebras live long and prosper.
Didn't the announcer say the olds RED LIGHTED in the second race??
Here for my dose of innuendo, plays on words, and dirty jokes about bad ass muscle cars!
Ask and ye shall receive
Mopars just keep getting faster the more often your foot is in it ....What an awesome screamin' RR!!! & a very sweet Oldsmobile!!!
aluminum intake was only on the '70 w31.
the green w-31 you see in the background actually dynoed a true 325 hp,and ran low 14's.
👍
John Dillinger wouldn't steal anything but a Ford.
@@daleostrom3613 became he could not catch up to the olds in his ford to steal it!!!!
@@darinmcdonnell712You obviously don't not know the story of John Dillinger.
Car & Zebrs you are the best.
Oldsmobile W 31 my absolutely absolutely favorite Oldsmobile.
1968 my favorite with the little Ram Rod stickers on the guards but a truly unknown underrated sleeper of a muscle car.
Absolutely a big block killer, everyone talks about the Chevrolet
L 79 & LT 1 etc but I think the Old's W 31 is just the small block of all small block's in the GM arsenal.
You ask your typical Chevy Guy or most muscle car people & hatdly anyone has heard of a W 31 everyone has heard of W 30 but not the 31.
By the way record amount of W 30 this week at Mecum Kissimmee never seen so many & they have fallen in price a fair bit.
Yes I am a Mopar Guy through & through but I have a huge soft spot for Old's as well.
That A 12 had it's work cut out for it big time considering the Old's was 90 cubic smaller puts another meaning to
" No substitute for Cubes " except if it is a W 31.
That was a pure sex on wheels
W 31 just gorgeous pure fantasy.
Another awesome video again what a way to start the day in smokey choking Melbourne Australia.
The bushfire's smoke has choked the city for over a week now.
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I have also noticed that the Olds are dropping in price, but a lot of muscle cars seem to be taking a hit right now. stay away from the fires! 🔥
Now those are some cool cars. I don’t care if one’s a small block, and the others big block. Nice match. Would have liked a 3rd round.
Very cool! 😎
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Edit: this comment was aimed at a gentleman who kept spamming the page with fb links for his terrible blues band... his comments have now been removed.
@@413x398 - I will shortly. Just want to make sure that he gets the notification first with my response.
i never considered a 350 olds to be a small block
The olds was going to win that second race before he let up.
A LITTLE HUMOR GO A LONG WAY, IM SURE WE CAN ALWAYS DO WITH LESS
High 12s in very fast for a 350! Sweet Olds! 😄
The Oldsmobile looks ok, actually it looks great compared to ANYTHING available today. That powder blue color just doesn't do it for me. I used to have a powder blue 1972 VW bug. But the Roadrunner wins on looks alone, even if it had lost. The 1968-1970 Roadrunner is my all time favorite car. It's big and muscular, and I just love the rear roofline. It gives the rear of the car broad shoulders that just ooze testosterone. I sure wish you could get a new one for $25K today, I'd have one tomorrow. You can barely get a basket case for that today.
Your presentations are getting more clever by the upload! Keep um coming. I'm not sure if Sox ran slicks on his RR, but Car Craft ran a 70 Charger 440+6 with a 10 inch slick and got it into the 11s. That was a 4 speed car as well.
He might have put slicks on it, I’m not sure. Thanks for watching!
Car craft later explained it was downhill. I’m calling foul.
A W-31 4-speed would have taken the RR. 4.057 in (103.0 mm) bore and Oldsmobile small-block standard 3.385 in (86.0 mm) stroke, The w31 has less torque so four speed is needed to get off the line quicker.
Pontiac did the small block better than any other gm
Pontiac didn't make a small block ... they used the same block from the 287 - 455. The only difference is the internals
@Fred Naught yeah two years ago I used small block and big block to differ between the cubic sizes, i was a lil uneductaed. Their 350s are 100% the best 350s imo though, now that I've had a Buick along with a chevy and pontiac.
@bobberttv8565
I try to be nice when explaining that because there's too many mean people here on the you tube hahaha
Yeah the 350 pontiac is a great motor that doesn't seem to have the overheating issues the 400 did. If you've never tried a 350 oldsmobile, that's the only 1 left to try and trust me you won't be disappointed - they're a screamer too !
The owner of the W-31 that I waxed with my 440 Six-Pak Challenger R/T actually ended up buying my car. He was tired of being beat.
Man these are great. Thank you!!
That first round was a very close race. The second round obviously wasn't a typical run for the Cutlass. It slowed down apparently for some reason. I think the commentator said that the driver heard something wrong in the valve train and didn't want to blow the engine after the years he put into the restoration. Notice on the first round, that the Road Runner was the quickest off the starting line, but the Cutlass was catching up with it, going down the track. The second round, the Cutlass was the quickest of the starting line, but slowed down drastically near the end of the race. Something was definitely up with the Cutlass.
The olds also redlit on the start of the second race