The Helipop is another of those tricks that shows how ahead of his time Rodney was. Before even OLLIES weren't a thing, he already had 360 fs spins on lock.
@@presgeeztv9603 It gets confusing though. They had like four names for the kick flip (Magic flip was one etc.). I like how trick names got standardized and make at least SOME sense. Especially for new combos of tricks, you'll need the fs 360 revert out type names IMHO. And honestly, a lot of 'old' names have been pretty much forgotten about, like Disco flip, Royal flip, Magic flip, Illusion flip etc.
@@PHeMoX Good points. I appreciate standardizing terminology as a method of describing a trick because it make things easier to conceptualize in ones mind, whether one can or cannot do said trick (eg. bigger spin flip = 540 flip + 180 body varial). The creative naming of tricks just adds character.
@@Rebius Agreed. I know its not super retro, but Mullen's freestyle part in Rubbish Heap, still blows my mind today. Check it out th-cam.com/video/YZwrr2vokTc/w-d-xo.html
Trouble is, Jonny is a pro, he's been skating 13+ years and it takes him upwards of a thousand tries on some of Rodney's short combos lol. To do a whole Rodney line would be tough, to do a line from one of the later videos would be impossible for anyone else.
Thumbs up for reviving those old school tricks! They may seem easy for first glance but when you come closer... And if we consider what decks they were landed on in the past.))
Over 40 years after the prime of Rodney it´s still a very big challenge for one of the best flatground skater of today to stand one of his easier tricks! That exactly says everything...!
@@jodiecoronado6180 That last hill you go over on westbound Hwy 36 right before you get into Boulder is the best. But it looks like Switzerland has us beat.
I got a similar view out of my office...well not right now, foggy, but it's getting clearer...I guess the Matterhorn will be visible in about 40 minutes :p
In those 80s and early 90s videos Rodney used relatively soft wheels and the ground was usually rough asphalt. Usually you don't see any slide whatsoever at the end of his tricks from that era.
I almost find the nollie back 3 easier than the nollie back 180, just something about being able to wind up and whip around helps to get the pop, and you land going in your normal stance so it’s easy to correct and land when the rotation is not going to be perfect
I feel this. I never could do 360 shuvs, but could fakie 360 bigspin every time consistently. Could fakie bigkickflip easier than 360 flip and heelflip consistently before kickflip. Everyone progresses their own way and some tricks that may seem harder to one person may be way easier for another.
Of course that was around 1998 before you could go on internet and watch step by step tutorials of how to do tricks, just had to watch skate vids and try to imitate what they were doing best you could. Probably why my bros hardflips looked more like Muskas and I couldn't do it at all.
i’m almost a year i to skating myself, and although i’m no where near the kind of tricks you are doing, i love watching your videos because they motivate me to nail every trick i can do flawlessly. watching your vids make me wanna skate all the time! thanks for being you:)
You're really making me want to start skating again Jonny. Rodney was my idol since I was about 6 years old. Most people I skated with didn't even know who he was until I'd start talking about him.
Kind of late, but changing arm movement will help a lot on this. This trick is about the conservation of angular momentum. Bring your arms in close touching the body and start the spin with the upper body while pushing your arms out. The arm push out will slow the spin down but add extra torque which will carry the trick through. Starting with your arms further out out means working harder to generate enough torque to spin the body and the board around. This is a straight up ballet technique, it's how they load all the twists and spins. It's also how Rodney sets it up as he got older and more practiced. Learning how to do this will help any body rotational trick since both the speed and amount of spin can be controlled with just arm extension. When I see people do tricks like this more often than not they are starting with their elbows out and arm already at about a quarter extension. I'll say this though, it's a shoulder workout getting this right. Starting from close in means more speed on the initial rotation, pushing your arms out slows that rotation and brings the body around by torquing it, but all that extra initial speed converted to torque is directly on the shoulders in a way force normally isn't loaded on shoulders. Getting it down will cause shoulders to ache.
The thing about spin tricks, just like flip tricks is that they're all in your head. It's a complete departure from what your body is structured to feel is "okay". The confidence required for graceful execution only comes from a lot of repetition of the small successes or from struggling through just throwing yourself all in on it. As always Jonny, you're a beast. Love everything you stand for man.
One of my favorite tricks do them all the time , fun at parks etc . Flat ground is always much harder to do them on , impressive you made it over those skateboards even with the revert
One of my absolute go to tricks - I've gotten so many letters on people in skate with the Helipop. I never do them with any revert action, full rotation only, sometimes to manual. Before I stopped skating for the winter, I had my normal stance, fs 360s going pretty good...got a few fully rotated. The true Helipop is quite tricky, over stuff, especially if you want it to level out and not be like a sharp, upward, arching movement which can cause too much, downward force and not enough forward momentum on impact - causing wheel bite, unintentional powersliding, can jam your back knee if it's still bent on impact, etc.
I don't skate any more too big for it but I really like watching Jonny's videos for everyday inspiration and attitude. Thanks for posting man, good stuff.
Hi Jonny, if you ever want to revisit this trick, Rodney seems to be using his front foot to keep the board rotating, it does not leave the board, where you are using your back foot to do that and thus for you it is harder to get that last rotation in, in the air. As you can clearly see in your last comparson. Great great great effort by the way :)
Todo sábado perto das 14 hrs vou andar de sk8, e em todos eles vejo algo legal nos seus vídeos, aprendi muito e anida aprendo !!!! Valew giger vc é o cara !!!!
Danke Jonny für deine Videos, ich kenn nicht viele was so eine Begeisterung an den Tag legen fürs Sk8boarden! Das motiviert mich so sehr dass ich jetzt wieder mehr mit dem Board unterwegs bin! 😏✌
Your dedication to learning these insane tricks is mindblowing. I watched the premo to premo video and was rooting for you the whole time. Keep up the great content
I swear, it barely looks like rodney is moving his foot at all when he's doing flip tricks. His style was so awesome. Also, it looks like rodney is really good at using his upper body to generate rotation before popping the helipop.
The skating-part - as always - is spot on! But has anybody looked at that mountain backdrop? Just awesome landscape! Oh wait, itˋs only a 70min ride from where I live😆
ON Video Skateboarding (Rodney Mullen, also Carlsbad gap) was my first ever skateboarding videotape and at the time it was the most legendary footage I've seen as a kid. I remember hyping myself up in front of the tv so hard and going to the streets for the whole day..
Great style and fast progression to the extent where you were looking solid and unsketchy. Mad props on the overall Mullen steeze rating of 9.759/10 on the official "Rodney Mullen International Helipop Steeze Scoring System" (RMIHSSS).
This Man needs a Filmer for every Video. Or atleast Jonny deserves one for every Video. Keep it up. Every now and then I stumble accros your Videos and I always enjoy them.
Rodney, hangs his toes (right foot) over the edge of the board before he pops. Wonder if that helps him keep the board flat. I noticed on some of johnny’s attempts, the board wants to flip during the rotation. Maybe that’s the secret to the flat 360 without the need for a revert, that and of course being Rodney Mullen lol.
Looking at Mullen's tape, he starts rotating his body way before you do, when he hits the ground, his shoulders are already straight! On yours, I notice the upper body lags behind the rotation, slowing everything down
My second board was the Mullen chessboard freestyle deck. Grosso was my first. Anyways.. helipops and ollies were learned the same time as tic-tacs in my back patio diy. God bless the Bones videos. Try it on Andy Anderson’s new deck for Powell. I hear he designed it for ALL terrain including flat. Long live the Freestyle Spirit! For the health of the tribe! I am impressed not only with the talent you show in your videos, but your respect for those who came before us.
Dude, I love how I intuitively learned how to tic tac and run on my board when I first skated in 2016 not knowing at all about any of the skate culture that had already formed decades before me. I just did what I thought was fun. That's the beauty of skateboarding. I hope my kids skate in the future.
Johnny seeing you bail on all those frontside 360s made my day. Been watching you/learning to skate for years now, and had a little moment where I thought ‘finally there’s 1 trick I have better than this god- that’s insane!!’ 😭
One thing you never seem to mention.. He (and most of the skaters at that time) used to have super hard bushings tightened to the point where the trucks hardly moved. Doing them with loose trucks makes this and most of the other things you try to replicate much harder to do and makes the landings look messy.
I Watch yaa Almost everyday to get inspiration from Ese! i lov your style and Your charisma, How bout Some Extra freestyling on ese! xDD Love ya from Mexico My Compadre
Rodney also has his leading foot/toes over the edge of the board to help bring it around with his body's rotation. Jonny seems to using his ollie foot to try to scoop it around instead.
I remember showing up at Jim Allard's house as we often did, my brother and I. Jim was so excited to show us Helipops he had just learned (on his Rocco II munypot deck I wished I had opted for, oh well). My brother didn't quite appreciate what he was seeing (he didn't skate) and I was thinking 'of course you can do them' lol. I wonder if Jim even remembers...
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If Rodney Mullen is a living legend, then that makes Jonny Giger a living skateboard historian, which is pretty legendary in itself.
Both alive and thriving in the same time too. Seems pretty unheard of to me.
@@sethreign8103what a time to live in lol
JG is the nardwuar of the skate world.
The Helipop is another of those tricks that shows how ahead of his time Rodney was. Before even OLLIES weren't a thing, he already had 360 fs spins on lock.
Thats what liked about back then, instead of todays confusing term like “flatground fs 360 revert spin” it was a simple “helipop” ...
@@presgeeztv9603 It gets confusing though. They had like four names for the kick flip (Magic flip was one etc.). I like how trick names got standardized and make at least SOME sense. Especially for new combos of tricks, you'll need the fs 360 revert out type names IMHO. And honestly, a lot of 'old' names have been pretty much forgotten about, like Disco flip, Royal flip, Magic flip, Illusion flip etc.
watch some old school freestyle videos, you will be amazed ;)
@@PHeMoX Good points. I appreciate standardizing terminology as a method of describing a trick because it make things easier to conceptualize in ones mind, whether one can or cannot do said trick (eg. bigger spin flip = 540 flip + 180 body varial). The creative naming of tricks just adds character.
@@Rebius Agreed. I know its not super retro, but Mullen's freestyle part in Rubbish Heap, still blows my mind today. Check it out th-cam.com/video/YZwrr2vokTc/w-d-xo.html
The revert is really stylish but it makes us realize how clean Mullen's 360 are; he barely even lose speed when landing his helipops.
thats because hes doing a 360, not landing in a 180 and continuing the spin on the ground
@@Konzeptionz he continue the spin from the ground too.Look closely
You can’t say the 80’s are 41 years ago. People will start thinking I’m old...
Yeah! They’re only 32 years ago!
1980 maybe, but the 80's itself, technically no lol
I felt old as fuck for a second until I thought about it ha,
81' here.
Damn ! Should I mention I'm born in the 70's ?? XD
I'm only 31 and I was born in the 80's...
Well, 3 months from the end of 1989 but still
I have no idea how i missed this when you dropped it originally 😂.
3 years late but totally worth it.
This was posted on Valentine's Day because who doesn't love Rodney, come on.
sorry mate, in his timezone it's not the 14th yet
@@MrDaftice Rodney's love surpasses time zones
@@mbatina00 true though
Really loved the end-sequence of you doing all those tricks over the 3 boards! 100!!! Straight flash-back to the '90s for me!
Who would wanna see ‘impossible lines by Rodney Mullen’ that are like an hour long👀
Trouble is, Jonny is a pro, he's been skating 13+ years and it takes him upwards of a thousand tries on some of Rodney's short combos lol. To do a whole Rodney line would be tough, to do a line from one of the later videos would be impossible for anyone else.
The one he does with the late flip is sick. Learn that one on the euro!
Such a stylish and intriguing trick! Well done, Jonny!
Ive always loved your editing skills, the way you can have music playing and still being able to hear everything is perfect 👌
Thumbs up for reviving those old school tricks! They may seem easy for first glance but when you come closer... And if we consider what decks they were landed on in the past.))
I love you Jonny Giger! You are sooooo humble and soooo awesome at what you do. You're definitely one of my favorite top five.
Jonny Giger : this wasn't clean enough , i have to redo isg
Me : wish i could do any trick as clean as that
Infinite sword glitch?
Same
same here! but I think that is just the ambition required to get better.
Over 40 years after the prime of Rodney it´s still a very big challenge for one of the best flatground skater of today to stand one of his easier tricks! That exactly says everything...!
I don't skateboard and never been into it but I could listen to Rodney Mullen talk about skateboarding for hours
I still can’t get over those Swiss alps man. I’m from Colorado and I thought the Rockies had a beautiful mountain range, but GODDAMN.
I'm from Co too and was thinking the same thing
@@jodiecoronado6180 That last hill you go over on westbound Hwy 36 right before you get into Boulder is the best. But it looks like Switzerland has us beat.
I got a similar view out of my office...well not right now, foggy, but it's getting clearer...I guess the Matterhorn will be visible in about 40 minutes :p
The Alps just hit different, man. Get over there when you can. It'll spoil you for sure though
@@jarnold1789 I’ve seen them in Germany. Totally unreal. Best mountain range in the world in my opinion.
In those 80s and early 90s videos Rodney used relatively soft wheels and the ground was usually rough asphalt. Usually you don't see any slide whatsoever at the end of his tricks from that era.
1980 in my head will always remain 20 years ago
It's only logical 👍
It's crazy how doing that trick over just one board can make it so much harder.
Rodney's helipop over the black barrier thing @8:07 look to be about 4-5 board stacks high...!
Made it look smooth too 🤯
My 2 favorite skaters are rodney mullen and jonny giger for sure
It would be sick if they put him in skate 4!!
@@monkeylordofdoom14 yes
Love the music in this episode! You inspire me to be better at skating Jonny!
I almost find the nollie back 3 easier than the nollie back 180, just something about being able to wind up and whip around helps to get the pop, and you land going in your normal stance so it’s easy to correct and land when the rotation is not going to be perfect
No lmao
@@cultureisdead6343 to each their own bro! I learned the 180 first but once I learned the 360 it’s hard to go back
I feel this. I never could do 360 shuvs, but could fakie 360 bigspin every time consistently. Could fakie bigkickflip easier than 360 flip and heelflip consistently before kickflip. Everyone progresses their own way and some tricks that may seem harder to one person may be way easier for another.
Of course that was around 1998 before you could go on internet and watch step by step tutorials of how to do tricks, just had to watch skate vids and try to imitate what they were doing best you could. Probably why my bros hardflips looked more like Muskas and I couldn't do it at all.
You just don’t give up man! I admire your determination. That’s what makes you soooo damn good!!!
This is just so true man
The landscape in the background is serene as ever. I'm sure to you it's nothing new, but it sure is refreshing to me!
i’m almost a year i to skating myself, and although i’m no where near the kind of tricks you are doing, i love watching your videos because they motivate me to nail every trick i can do flawlessly. watching your vids make me wanna skate all the time! thanks for being you:)
You're really making me want to start skating again Jonny. Rodney was my idol since I was about 6 years old. Most people I skated with didn't even know who he was until I'd start talking about him.
Kind of late, but changing arm movement will help a lot on this. This trick is about the conservation of angular momentum. Bring your arms in close touching the body and start the spin with the upper body while pushing your arms out. The arm push out will slow the spin down but add extra torque which will carry the trick through. Starting with your arms further out out means working harder to generate enough torque to spin the body and the board around. This is a straight up ballet technique, it's how they load all the twists and spins. It's also how Rodney sets it up as he got older and more practiced. Learning how to do this will help any body rotational trick since both the speed and amount of spin can be controlled with just arm extension. When I see people do tricks like this more often than not they are starting with their elbows out and arm already at about a quarter extension. I'll say this though, it's a shoulder workout getting this right. Starting from close in means more speed on the initial rotation, pushing your arms out slows that rotation and brings the body around by torquing it, but all that extra initial speed converted to torque is directly on the shoulders in a way force normally isn't loaded on shoulders. Getting it down will cause shoulders to ache.
This is incredible thank you
"straight up ballet technique" OR, it's physics
The thing about spin tricks, just like flip tricks is that they're all in your head. It's a complete departure from what your body is structured to feel is "okay". The confidence required for graceful execution only comes from a lot of repetition of the small successes or from struggling through just throwing yourself all in on it. As always Jonny, you're a beast. Love everything you stand for man.
Has anyone started working on a collab with Giger and the GOAT Mr Mullen himself??
Seriously needs to happen. Just seeing giger meet him and pick his mind would be amazing, because they are both so chill and smart.
@@TwamZ i could be wrong but i think giger was at the BATB championship battle that rodney went to
I want to see it with the late flip! Great job!
One of my favorite tricks do them all the time , fun at parks etc . Flat ground is always much harder to do them on , impressive you made it over those skateboards even with the revert
You are putting the pop in the helipop! I can't do them as high as you but pushing 48 years old I'm proud to say I can still stick one here and there.
your videos are awesome bro. your positive energy makes a good watch no matter the trick.
The last 2.5 mins of this with the fiddle and freestyling were incredible
One of my absolute go to tricks - I've gotten so many letters on people in skate with the Helipop. I never do them with any revert action, full rotation only, sometimes to manual. Before I stopped skating for the winter, I had my normal stance, fs 360s going pretty good...got a few fully rotated. The true Helipop is quite tricky, over stuff, especially if you want it to level out and not be like a sharp, upward, arching movement which can cause too much, downward force and not enough forward momentum on impact - causing wheel bite, unintentional powersliding, can jam your back knee if it's still bent on impact, etc.
I don't skate any more too big for it but I really like watching Jonny's videos for everyday inspiration and attitude. Thanks for posting man, good stuff.
one of my fav tricks, I do not know why, but they feel good!
You are, BY FAR, one of my top 5 favorite skaters......no bullshit
Hi Jonny, if you ever want to revisit this trick, Rodney seems to be using his front foot to keep the board rotating, it does not leave the board, where you are using your back foot to do that and thus for you it is harder to get that last rotation in, in the air. As you can clearly see in your last comparson. Great great great effort by the way :)
I appreciate your determination to learn new tricks.
Todo sábado perto das 14 hrs vou andar de sk8, e em todos eles vejo algo legal nos seus vídeos, aprendi muito e anida aprendo !!!! Valew giger vc é o cara !!!!
Jonny... uuuunglaublich wie weit du gekommen bist und was du aufgebaut hast! Absoluter Respekt 🖖🏻
You should do vid where you re-do some of your flatground project tricks or 1 up them
That mollie 180 over the 3 boards was sick. It all was. Respect.
I love this series!
U r the best. I found d the channel a couple weeks ago and your already my favoirite
thanks 🙏🏼
First JG video I've seen. Good vibes, just subscribed
finally one of the most underated tricks of all time
i enjoy when your homies are in your videos
Danke Jonny für deine Videos,
ich kenn nicht viele was so eine Begeisterung an den Tag legen fürs Sk8boarden!
Das motiviert mich so sehr dass ich jetzt wieder mehr mit dem Board unterwegs bin!
😏✌
8:06 you can see Rodney grips the edge of the board with his back foot to help keep the board rotating with his feet
Good catch
Jonny Giger is always happy, never get frustrated :)
Enjoyed the country music in this edit. Well done sir
Coming from a parkour background, it looks like Rodney is doing the motion of a dleg or alien flip. Really interesting how universal movement is
Your dedication to learning these insane tricks is mindblowing. I watched the premo to premo video and was rooting for you the whole time. Keep up the great content
Really good video bro i Can appreciate the work put into this one good job
The natural way the board leaves your feet on the bails makes me wanna see a high-popped nollie big heel over some boards
I swear, it barely looks like rodney is moving his foot at all when he's doing flip tricks. His style was so awesome.
Also, it looks like rodney is really good at using his upper body to generate rotation before popping the helipop.
the tricks are awesome, the backdrop is even more awesome. love those views. if it weren't covid times i'd travel there and hike
Giger! What's up man. Beautiful skating as always!! 🙏
The skating-part - as always - is spot on!
But has anybody looked at that mountain backdrop? Just awesome landscape!
Oh wait, itˋs only a 70min ride from where I live😆
ON Video Skateboarding (Rodney Mullen, also Carlsbad gap) was my first ever skateboarding videotape and at the time it was the most legendary footage I've seen as a kid. I remember hyping myself up in front of the tv so hard and going to the streets for the whole day..
Great style and fast progression to the extent where you were looking solid and unsketchy. Mad props on the overall Mullen steeze rating of 9.759/10 on the official "Rodney Mullen International Helipop Steeze Scoring System" (RMIHSSS).
Hey Jonny, please tell me the name of the song that starts at 9:25. Thanks!
This Man needs a Filmer for every Video. Or atleast Jonny deserves one for every Video. Keep it up. Every now and then I stumble accros your Videos and I always enjoy them.
I really liked the music on this one.
(Also the tricks). :)
the view from that park >>>>>
Rodney, hangs his toes (right foot) over the edge of the board before he pops. Wonder if that helps him keep the board flat. I noticed on some of johnny’s attempts, the board wants to flip during the rotation. Maybe that’s the secret to the flat 360 without the need for a revert, that and of course being Rodney Mullen lol.
Would love to see you do it fully rotated. It's not really comparable when you revert nearly half the rotation. Same with the ghetto bird.
I got dizzy just from watching this Video...
Keep being you Jonny ♥
Looking at Mullen's tape, he starts rotating his body way before you do, when he hits the ground, his shoulders are already straight!
On yours, I notice the upper body lags behind the rotation, slowing everything down
I love your progression and dedication man. Inspiring and sick to watch!!
Omg. That nollie inward heel was absolutely beautiful in my opinion.
Man, that slowmo trick showup after the successful heli was BEAUTIFUL
Solid content as usual 🤝
I was doing helipops in 1987. I liked doing them up onto and over stuff to pivot.
My second board was the Mullen chessboard freestyle deck. Grosso was my first.
Anyways..
helipops and ollies were learned the same time as tic-tacs in my back patio diy. God bless the Bones videos. Try it on Andy Anderson’s new deck for Powell. I hear he designed it for ALL terrain including flat. Long live the Freestyle Spirit!
For the health of the tribe!
I am impressed not only with the talent you show in your videos, but your respect for those who came before us.
Dude, I love how I intuitively learned how to tic tac and run on my board when I first skated in 2016 not knowing at all about any of the skate culture that had already formed decades before me. I just did what I thought was fun. That's the beauty of skateboarding. I hope my kids skate in the future.
Johnny seeing you bail on all those frontside 360s made my day. Been watching you/learning to skate for years now, and had a little moment where I thought ‘finally there’s 1 trick I have better than this god- that’s insane!!’ 😭
One thing you never seem to mention.. He (and most of the skaters at that time) used to have super hard bushings tightened to the point where the trucks hardly moved.
Doing them with loose trucks makes this and most of the other things you try to replicate much harder to do and makes the landings look messy.
Man that opening line from Round Two always gets me hyped. Just charging. Fuckin Rodney
I Watch yaa Almost everyday to get inspiration from Ese! i lov your style and Your charisma, How bout Some Extra freestyling on ese! xDD Love ya from Mexico My Compadre
Hello. What song at 9:30? Thx 🙏
Katja krasavice doggy
@@lmx015 not at all
@@djeg 😂😂
@@lmx015 si c'est pour dire de la merde abstiens toi.
great tries!
it looks like you're doing a revert though.. Mullen completes the 360 before his wheels touch the ground....
He literally said that in the video. He knows.
Rodney also has his leading foot/toes over the edge of the board to help bring it around with his body's rotation. Jonny seems to using his ollie foot to try to scoop it around instead.
I have covid and I wish I could be skating but watching youre videos makes me inspired for when I can go out and try some new tricks
So good! Nice skating my man!
your skate park's background look like backdrop of a studio in my country. its so wonderful
I remember showing up at Jim Allard's house as we often did, my brother and I. Jim was so excited to show us Helipops he had just learned (on his Rocco II munypot deck I wished I had opted for, oh well). My brother didn't quite appreciate what he was seeing (he didn't skate) and I was thinking 'of course you can do them' lol. I wonder if Jim even remembers...
Montage in the end was fire! Sweet skating.
I love how you've got sunny weather and i've got snow everywhere
Loved this video Jonny!
Bro you a beast, love the channel man.
Keep shredding bro Rodney is proud of you
Jonny and those spongbob trucks 🛹
What an amazing snowy mountain scene behind that park...
That inward heelflip was epic
Fav series
Absolutely love Jonny Giger!! Seems like such a likeable dude.
Impossible tricks of Rot Knee Mullen is the best skateboard series on youtube.